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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: 'taterblast on December 06, 2014, 10:19:33 PM
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isn't bad :dunno:
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TLBL gave us a great show. That's what I remember from this season.
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Pretty ok.
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It is when you realize that we didn't beat a good team all year
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It's very good. And the teams we lost to are very good.
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It is when you realize that we didn't beat a good team all year
no it's not, dumbass.
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It is when you realize that we didn't beat a good team all year
no it's not, dumbass.
We didn't beat anyone good. :dunno:
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Wish we'd beaten Auburn.
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Good season.
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exceeded my preseason expectations. :emawkid:
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This season will go down in history as pretty good
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Not bad for a rebuilding year
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We beat several good teams. We didn't beat any great ones - 'cause we're not a great team. Still a pretty darned good year with a decent bowl to look forward to.
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It is when you realize that we didn't beat a good team all year
no it's not, dumbass.
We didn't beat anyone good. :dunno:
which doesn't make it bad
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Good season.
Disappointing end, but better overall than I expected
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6-6 without Lockett...I'm really scared about next year.
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We beat several good teams. We didn't beat any great ones - 'cause we're not a great team. Still a pretty darned good year with a decent bowl to look forward to.
Yep. If you can't enjoy that find another freakin team. I'm fine with criticism, but not stupidity.
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It is when you realize that we didn't beat a good team all year
no it's not, dumbass.
We didn't beat anyone good. :dunno:
which doesn't make it bad
The only memorable part of this season was Lockett. Very uninteresting season.
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It is when you realize that we didn't beat a good team all year
no it's not, dumbass.
i want more out of my favorite college football team. if you like beating shitty teams well then that's cool. some of us don't though.
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Good season.
Beat UCLA and shed some Alamo demons, get to ten wins, and it will be a nice way to end a four year stretch of winning 39 games.
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Wish we'd beaten Auburn.
that's the one thing you can look at as a failure this year. other than that we got beat by two top 6 teams that were better than us, on the road.
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well let's make this that thread then so certain types can get it out of their system
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Games I particularly enjoyed:
KSU 45 Texas Tech 13
KSU 23 Texas 0
KSU 48 OSU 14
KSU 51 Kansas 13
Also winning in Norman
:billdance:
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Good season.
Beat UCLA and shed some Alamo demons, get to ten wins, and it will be a nice way to end a four year stretch of winning 39 games.
It will be really nice. I'm disappointed with tonight, but overall this has been a solid season.
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Good but not great. Not as fun as '11 or as meaningful as '12, but better than last year. Wish there was more fist pump moments. But it was enjoyable.
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It is when you realize that we didn't beat a good team all year
no it's not, dumbass.
i want more out of my favorite college football team. if you like beating shitty teams well then that's cool. some of us don't though.
I agree. I'm tired of the 'cats just not being good enough.
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I'm afraid it's more likely to get a lot worse rather than better.
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I'd argue Oklahoma was "good" before the loss of Knight and Shepard. I know Shepard got back on the field, but wasn't the same.
It was pretty much a chalk season, tho. With TCU and Baylor on the road, 9-3 was solid.
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Yep. Had a lot of fun this season.
I mean, we were regularly missing bowl games 5 years ago. 9-3 is a good season.
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Think about this: Our home-and-away conference schedules have been incredibly lopsided since the inception of the new ten-team B12. Even numbered seasons suck ass, with 5 road games and wasting one of our home games against shitty KU. Odd numbered seasons are much more favorable, with 5 home games plus a defacto 6th in Lawrence against shitty KU.
Now imagine if we had had our 2012 and 2014 teams playing in the 2011 and 2013 seasons... :love: :cry: Our timing is tragically off by one friggin year.
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so we ended up beating 5 bowl teams right? that's not too bad
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We all want to win league titles and even national titles, but if being one of top 15 teams in the country 3 out of 4 years isn't good enough you probably should just find a new team.
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My god, we are losing like 97% of our offense...... :ohno:
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Hurricane and PIPE are pointing out what concerns me. I just don't see much to look forward to next year or two. Other than Bulldog doin his thing and Gronk, what known exciting things to we have to look forward to?
Gonna win 'em all!
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So it's just now dawning on some of you that next year will be a rebuilding year? :dunno: There's always something to look forward to. Like our shiny new NEZ!
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So it's just now dawning on some of you that next year will be a rebuilding year? :dunno: There's always something to look forward to. Like our shiny new NEZ!
My chamber is already reloaded with iron born joe hubener.
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Its clear Baylor and TCU were WAY better than us, and we beat everyone else. The ability to not lose to bad teams should be recognized for what it is. Its a good season. A lot of teams that are similar to us in talent etc have a bad loss or 2 and end up 7-5.
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Its clear Baylor and TCU were WAY better than us, and we beat everyone else. The ability to not lose to bad teams should be recognized for what it is. Its a good season. A lot of teams that are similar to us in talent etc have a bad loss or 2 and end up 7-5.
Yea we go 10-2 with a normal Snyder non con which is essentially 2011 2.0
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We beat several good teams. We didn't beat any great ones - 'cause we're not a great team. Still a pretty darned good year with a decent bowl to look forward to.
Yep. If you can't enjoy that find another freakin team. I'm fine with criticism, but not stupidity.
I think he's talking to you, OK_Cat. :thumbsup:
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Good but not great. Not as fun as '11 or as meaningful as '12, but better than last year. Wish there was more fist pump moments. But it was enjoyable.
My feeling ezackly. ;) :cheers:
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We all want to win league titles and even national titles, but if being one of top 15 teams in the country 3 out of 4 years isn't good enough you probably should just find a new team.
Absolutely. Still, given the choice over an extended time, I'm not sure if I would have a couple 4 or 5 win seasons to go with a couple 11+ years or 9-3 every year. So basically what we had 2005-2012 opposed to Nebraska under Bo (I think being a KSU fan has been much more fun over the same stretch.)
I'm content, but this would be much easier to swallow with any sort of promising basketball season to follow.
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We all want to win league titles and even national titles, but if being one of top 15 teams in the country 3 out of 4 years isn't good enough you probably should just find a new team.
:thumbs: :cheers:
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I agree with _FAN. 2009-10 KSU Hoops, 2012 KSU Football, and the 2014 Royals were so much damn fun as a sports fan, that I'm totally cool with good, not great seasons if we get something like that, even if its just once a generation.
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Baylor and Auburn were winnable games had the team played, coaching been sharper. Would make such a difference in perceptions had we won either.
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Baylor and Auburn were winnable games had the team played, coaching been sharper. Would make such a difference in perceptions had we won either.
rough ridin' yea, we just need to win them all and, son of a gun, we're in the CFP!!!! :billdance:
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39 points from getting into the playoffs guys....
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I agree with _FAN. 2009-10 KSU Hoops, 2012 KSU Football, and the 2014 Royals were so much damn fun as a sports fan, that I'm totally cool with good, not great seasons if we get something like that, even if its just once a generation.
2012 football sucked. this season was just as good as 2012 and so was 2011.
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Go to the beach.
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I agree with _FAN. 2009-10 KSU Hoops, 2012 KSU Football, and the 2014 Royals were so much damn fun as a sports fan, that I'm totally cool with good, not great seasons if we get something like that, even if its just once a generation.
2012 football sucked. this season was just as good as 2012 and so was 2011.
dude we won the conference and were #1 in November. The crash sucked but the ride to the top, even though it was short lived, was so awesome.
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2012 was great. 2014 and 2011 were fun but a big step lower.
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I think 2011 was a blast because of the way we won, how long it had been since we were at that level, and the expectation that things would be even better the next year. All elements missing from this season.
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I think 2011 was a blast because of the way we won, how long it had been since we were at that level, and the expectation that things would be even better the next year. All elements missing from this season.
And cause Arthur Chris and Collin.
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I think 2011 was a blast because of the way we won, how long it had been since we were at that level, and the expectation that things would be even better the next year. All elements missing from this season.
IIRC the perception going into 2012 was "there's no way we can get that lucky again."
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In the mid-90s, I think Snyder burned to do what it took to get better and get past Nebraska. I don't know if that's the case now. I don't know if getting to that point is the satisfaction he's looking for.
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6-6 without Lockett...I'm really scared about next year.
I think we will be better.
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I have thoroughly enjoyed this season and glad to see I'm on the right side.
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Not bad for a rebuilding year
With a senior qb and one of the 10 best players in program history? No, nice try but no.
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I wonder how many people good with this also made fun of Nebraska
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I wonder how many people good with this also made fun of Nebraska
i made fun of them for firing a coach who perpetually went 9-3.
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I wonder how many people good with this also made fun of Nebraska
i made fun of them for firing a coach who perpetually went 9-3.
They weren't okay with knowing they would never seriously compete for a championship with that coach, I really don't know how you could find fault with that. You want to win 8-10 games every year but not have a legit shot at being the best, fine but that's not for me. I haven't invested all this time and money into this program to be cool with taking a backseat to freaking Baylor.
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I think 2011 was a blast because of the way we won, how long it had been since we were at that level, and the expectation that things would be even better the next year. All elements missing from this season.
IIRC the perception going into 2012 was "there's no way we can get that lucky again."
Yeah that was absolutely the perception. Although there was an agreed upon wildcard of having mercenary studs in Brown, Harper. Then Klien became a stud and it was on. We had one stud this year. That's a third of the studs.
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
Two difference makers; maybe. Although, yeah, I'd agree we're probably more towards the 7-5 side this year. Brown and Harper were actually kinda special, moreso because we never get guys like them or even try. Their actual skill levels would be pretty par for the course at elite recruiting schools. It took a ton of weird circumstances just to have them show up in Manhattan for a couple years.
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I wonder how many people good with this also made fun of Nebraska
i made fun of them for firing a coach who perpetually went 9-3.
They weren't okay with knowing they would never seriously compete for a championship with that coach, I really don't know how you could find fault with that. You want to win 8-10 games every year but not have a legit shot at being the best, fine but that's not for me. I haven't invested all this time and money into this program to be cool with taking a backseat to freaking Baylor.
Obviously I never post, so that probably discounts my opinion. And MIR's a racist, but he's spot on here...
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I think a stud running back would have transformed this offense.
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My god, we are losing like 97% of our offense...... :ohno:
Doesn't matter. I can assure you 100% that Charles Jones will be in the wildcat on third & five or less
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6-6 without Lockett...I'm really scared about next year.
I think we will be better.
Why?
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I wonder how many people good with this also made fun of Nebraska
9-3 in the crappy big 10 is different than 9-3 in the big 12. Especially when you play Auburn in the non-conference.
Win the bowl game and it's a 10 win season. Not sure how you can complain about this.
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I wonder how many people good with this also made fun of Nebraska
9-3 in the crappy big 10 is different than 9-3 in the big 12. Especially when you play Auburn in the non-conference.
Win the bowl game and it's a 10 win season. Not sure how you can complain about this.
Nebraska has the same number of big wins that we do. Their losses are slightly worse, but we have shown nothing to garner any confidence that we'd beat Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan State.
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#TeamMiR
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I wonder how many people good with this also made fun of Nebraska
9-3 in the crappy big 10 is different than 9-3 in the big 12. Especially when you play Auburn in the non-conference.
Win the bowl game and it's a 10 win season. Not sure how you can complain about this.
You can complain because when the bowls roll around we won't have a win over a team in the top 25. You can complain because we returned a QB and the best WR of all time and our offense produces crap like they did last night, and if we lose the bowl game we only had one game improvement over last season while returning a crap ton of our contributors from the previous year.
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#TeamMiR
You can only truly be #TeamMiR if you hate white people. I need full commitment.
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#TeamMiR
You can only truly be #TeamMiR if you hate white people. I need full commitment.
Ice Cube's "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted" is one of my favorite albums.
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#TeamMiR
You can only truly be #TeamMiR if you hate white people. I need full commitment.
Ice Cube's "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted" is one of my favorite albums.
He's now a mainstream rom com dad, but close enough. Application approved.
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I wonder how many people good with this also made fun of Nebraska
9-3 in the crappy big 10 is different than 9-3 in the big 12. Especially when you play Auburn in the non-conference.
Win the bowl game and it's a 10 win season. Not sure how you can complain about this.
Nebraska has the same number of big wins that we do. Their losses are slightly worse, but we have shown nothing to garner any confidence that we'd beat Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan State.
While I agree with you, I absolutely think we'd beat Minnesota, probably beat Wisconsin, and the Michigan State game is a toss up
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The complacency displayed in this thread disgusts me.
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Are you guys going to @ some posters? Or just rage into the wind?
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Are you guys going to @ some posters? Or just rage into the wind?
I'm pretty sure I'm one of them and that's okay.
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It is when you realize that we didn't beat a good team all year
Didn't lose to anyone bad either. Baylor can't say that.
If we'd of played Baylor's OOC...we'd have 2 losses.
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happiness = reality - expectations
essential equation for any cats fan
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It is when you realize that we didn't beat a good team all year
Didn't lose to anyone bad either. Baylor can't say that.
If we'd of played Baylor's OOC...we'd have 2 losses.
And no conference title and no playoff bid
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9-3 is what I predicted, so I'm not overwhelmed by the result, but it still feels a hell of a lot better than the Prince years and Snyders last few years of DoD 1
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9-3 is what I predicted, so I'm not overwhelmed by the result, but it still feels a hell of a lot better than the Prince years and Snyders last few years of DoD 1
If this is our standard lets go ahead and give up now because this is a slippery slope that leads to iowa state.
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It is when you realize that we didn't beat a good team all year
Didn't lose to anyone bad either. Baylor can't say that.
If we'd of played Baylor's OOC...we'd have 2 losses.
And no conference title and no playoff bid
"And no conference title and no playoff bid"
Yes, but a better bowl with only 2 losses...
...3 losses drops us out of a bowl pairing higher than the Alamo. We should/could be in the Cotton.
Let's go back to a junk OOC...seems the new playoff format allows for an anything goes approach to September. Bring in The Citadel.
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MiR, how can you imply we didn't compete for a championship when we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season.
I'm absolutely ok with seasons like this for a long ass time.
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It is when you realize that we didn't beat a good team all year
Didn't lose to anyone bad either. Baylor can't say that.
If we'd of played Baylor's OOC...we'd have 2 losses.
And no conference title and no playoff bid
"And no conference title and no playoff bid"
Yes, but a better bowl with only 2 losses...
...3 losses drops us out of a bowl pairing higher than the Alamo. We should/could be in the Cotton.
Let's go back to a junk OOC...seems the new playoff format allows for an anything goes approach to September. Bring in The Citadel.
We would still be in the 3rd bowl slot bookcat.
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If we reverse our conference home/away schedule we go 8-1 and win the big 12. It's a fine line. Hated losing last night, but good year.
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I mean people are saying this is "not bad", this doesn't seem like people are jumping in the streets over this. Meanwhile, this would be the greatest regular season in Iowa State history.
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MiR, how can you imply we didn't compete for a championship when we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season.
I'm absolutely ok with seasons like this for a long ass time.
I wasn't trying to imply that we didn't complete for a championship. We beat, killed actually, all of the bad teams but we are no where close to the quality needed to win any of the power 5 conferences. We are good enough to be in the conversation, not even close to good enough to finish the job.
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9-3 against this schedule at kansas state is nothing to be upset about at all
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If we reverse our conference home/away schedule we go 8-1 and win the big 12. It's a fine line. Hated losing last night, but good year.
Not sure how you'd come to that conclusion considering we were worse with the easier schedule.
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I mean people are saying this is "not bad", this doesn't seem like people are jumping in the streets over this. Meanwhile, this would be the greatest regular season in Iowa State history.
yes this is exactly, often literally, what people are saying.
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9-3 against this schedule at kansas state is nothing to be upset about at all
There are two completely different conversations happening here and I'm not sure if you guys are doing it intentionally or not. Did anyone say they are upset that we're 9-3?
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MiR, how can you imply we didn't compete for a championship when we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season.
I'm absolutely ok with seasons like this for a long ass time.
I wasn't trying to imply that we didn't complete for a championship. We beat, killed actually, all of the bad teams but we are no where close to the quality needed to win any of the power 5 conferences. We are good enough to be in the conversation, not even close to good enough to finish the job.
Again, we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season. How much closer to the quality needed to win a power 5 conference can you be without actually winning?
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MiR, how can you imply we didn't compete for a championship when we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season.
I'm absolutely ok with seasons like this for a long ass time.
I wasn't trying to imply that we didn't complete for a championship. We beat, killed actually, all of the bad teams but we are no where close to the quality needed to win any of the power 5 conferences. We are good enough to be in the conversation, not even close to good enough to finish the job.
Again, we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season. How much closer to the quality needed to win a power 5 conference can you be without actually winning?
We had no chance of winning either of those games. We were as close this year as we were in 2010.
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OK
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MiR, how can you imply we didn't compete for a championship when we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season.
I'm absolutely ok with seasons like this for a long ass time.
I wasn't trying to imply that we didn't complete for a championship. We beat, killed actually, all of the bad teams but we are no where close to the quality needed to win any of the power 5 conferences. We are good enough to be in the conversation, not even close to good enough to finish the job.
Again, we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season. How much closer to the quality needed to win a power 5 conference can you be without actually winning?
We had no chance of winning either of those games. We were as close this year as we were in 2010.
I'm fine with most of what you have said, but this statement was absolute BS:
If this is our standard lets go ahead and give up now because this is a slippery slope that leads to iowa state.
I don't know if you were baiting wacky or whatever, but this is absolutely not true. Being satisfied with three 9+ win seasons in 4 years and having the best record in the Big 12 against conference opponents during that is not settling for apathetic standards whatsoever and to imply those that do so are the equivalent of ISU fans and keeping their loser coach is dumb.
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MiR, how can you imply we didn't compete for a championship when we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season.
I'm absolutely ok with seasons like this for a long ass time.
I wasn't trying to imply that we didn't complete for a championship. We beat, killed actually, all of the bad teams but we are no where close to the quality needed to win any of the power 5 conferences. We are good enough to be in the conversation, not even close to good enough to finish the job.
Again, we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season. How much closer to the quality needed to win a power 5 conference can you be without actually winning?
We had no chance of winning either of those games. We were as close this year as we were in 2010.
I'm fine with most of what you have said, but this statement was absolute BS:
If this is our standard lets go ahead and give up now because this is a slippery slope that leads to iowa state.
I don't know if you were baiting wacky or whatever, but this is absolutely not true. Being satisfied with three 9+ win seasons in 4 years and having the best record in the Big 12 against conference opponents during that is not settling for apathetic standards whatsoever and to imply those that do so are the equivalent of ISU fans and keeping their loser coach is dumb.
:thumbs: I'm just waiting for some MIR backpedalling. :excited:
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MiR, how can you imply we didn't compete for a championship when we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season.
I'm absolutely ok with seasons like this for a long ass time.
I wasn't trying to imply that we didn't complete for a championship. We beat, killed actually, all of the bad teams but we are no where close to the quality needed to win any of the power 5 conferences. We are good enough to be in the conversation, not even close to good enough to finish the job.
Again, we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season. How much closer to the quality needed to win a power 5 conference can you be without actually winning?
We had no chance of winning either of those games. We were as close this year as we were in 2010.
I'm fine with most of what you have said, but this statement was absolute BS:
If this is our standard lets go ahead and give up now because this is a slippery slope that leads to iowa state.
I don't know if you were baiting wacky or whatever, but this is absolutely not true. Being satisfied with three 9+ win seasons in 4 years and having the best record in the Big 12 against conference opponents during that is not settling for apathetic standards whatsoever and to imply those that do so are the equivalent of ISU fans and keeping their loser coach is dumb.
All of this, I think what made this year no so fun was yeah, the difference in our wins and our losses. When we won we destroyed teams (save OU), especially all our home games, every single home game except Auburn was basically over at half and made the season seem "ho hum" while our losses consisted of a frustratingly shoot ourselves in the foot fest against Auburn, a demolition by TCU, and a not quite there yet performance against Baylor. Was is a good year? Yes, Great? No. But getting pissed off and bemoaning that we are steps away from descending into the abyss is childish and MiR needs to take a lap or 10.
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MiR, how can you imply we didn't compete for a championship when we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season.
I'm absolutely ok with seasons like this for a long ass time.
I wasn't trying to imply that we didn't complete for a championship. We beat, killed actually, all of the bad teams but we are no where close to the quality needed to win any of the power 5 conferences. We are good enough to be in the conversation, not even close to good enough to finish the job.
Again, we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season. How much closer to the quality needed to win a power 5 conference can you be without actually winning?
We had no chance of winning either of those games. We were as close this year as we were in 2010.
I'm fine with most of what you have said, but this statement was absolute BS:
If this is our standard lets go ahead and give up now because this is a slippery slope that leads to iowa state.
I don't know if you were baiting wacky or whatever, but this is absolutely not true. Being satisfied with three 9+ win seasons in 4 years and having the best record in the Big 12 against conference opponents during that is not settling for apathetic standards whatsoever and to imply those that do so are the equivalent of ISU fans and keeping their loser coach is dumb.
I don't troll people.
Did you miss the part where I said "slippery slope to Iowa State" or did you just see Iowa State? If you become good with 9-3 because thats all K-State can be then you will rationalize 7 wins soon enough, hence slippery slope.
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MiR, how can you imply we didn't compete for a championship when we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season.
I'm absolutely ok with seasons like this for a long ass time.
I wasn't trying to imply that we didn't complete for a championship. We beat, killed actually, all of the bad teams but we are no where close to the quality needed to win any of the power 5 conferences. We are good enough to be in the conversation, not even close to good enough to finish the job.
Again, we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season. How much closer to the quality needed to win a power 5 conference can you be without actually winning?
We had no chance of winning either of those games. We were as close this year as we were in 2010.
I'm fine with most of what you have said, but this statement was absolute BS:
If this is our standard lets go ahead and give up now because this is a slippery slope that leads to iowa state.
I don't know if you were baiting wacky or whatever, but this is absolutely not true. Being satisfied with three 9+ win seasons in 4 years and having the best record in the Big 12 against conference opponents during that is not settling for apathetic standards whatsoever and to imply those that do so are the equivalent of ISU fans and keeping their loser coach is dumb.
I don't troll people.
Did you miss the part where I said "slippery slope to Iowa State" or did you just see Iowa State? If you become good with 9-3 because thats all K-State can be then you will rationalize 7 wins soon enough, hence slippery slope.
You can be ok with 9-3 and also know KSU can do better because we did better twice in the previous three years.
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MiR, how can you imply we didn't compete for a championship when we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season.
I'm absolutely ok with seasons like this for a long ass time.
I wasn't trying to imply that we didn't complete for a championship. We beat, killed actually, all of the bad teams but we are no where close to the quality needed to win any of the power 5 conferences. We are good enough to be in the conversation, not even close to good enough to finish the job.
Again, we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season. How much closer to the quality needed to win a power 5 conference can you be without actually winning?
We had no chance of winning either of those games. We were as close this year as we were in 2010.
I'm fine with most of what you have said, but this statement was absolute BS:
If this is our standard lets go ahead and give up now because this is a slippery slope that leads to iowa state.
I don't know if you were baiting wacky or whatever, but this is absolutely not true. Being satisfied with three 9+ win seasons in 4 years and having the best record in the Big 12 against conference opponents during that is not settling for apathetic standards whatsoever and to imply those that do so are the equivalent of ISU fans and keeping their loser coach is dumb.
I don't troll people.
Did you miss the part where I said "slippery slope to Iowa State" or did you just see Iowa State? If you become good with 9-3 because thats all K-State can be then you will rationalize 7 wins soon enough, hence slippery slope.
You can be ok with 9-3 and also know KSU can do better because we did better twice in the previous three years.
Damnit guys, no one is mad about 9-3, we don't like having a program that seemingly can't compete with Baylor. People like me who are mad would still be mad if we were 10-2 because we seem to be a mile away from the class of the conference and fading.
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The problem with your argument is that we can compete with Baylor.
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The problem with your argument is that we can compete with Baylor.
How is that a problem my argument when we haven't done that? My observation is based on current reality yours is based on hope.
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It's weird to only be happy with a national championship, because if you were a k state fan there would never be a time when you are happy, ever.
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It's weird to only be happy with a national championship, because if you were a k state fan there would never be a time when you are happy, ever.
mocat do you really think anyone is saying that, seriously? Smart people saying really stupid things right now.
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The problem with your argument is that we can compete with Baylor.
How is that a problem my argument when we haven't done that? My observation is based on current reality yours is based on hope.
We won the league two years ago and in all honesty could have beaten them this year to win the league. To me, that's competing, but I guess to you it's not.
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I think it is ok to be happy with 9-3 but not happy because "hey it's better than being isu" or "hey, i'd take it over 04 and 05". Set expectations and live up to them. The fear is that if your comparison is to crap, your expectations or level of acceptance becomes lower and lower. I dunno.
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MiR, how can you imply we didn't compete for a championship when we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season.
I'm absolutely ok with seasons like this for a long ass time.
I wasn't trying to imply that we didn't complete for a championship. We beat, killed actually, all of the bad teams but we are no where close to the quality needed to win any of the power 5 conferences. We are good enough to be in the conversation, not even close to good enough to finish the job.
Again, we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season. How much closer to the quality needed to win a power 5 conference can you be without actually winning?
We had no chance of winning either of those games. We were as close this year as we were in 2010.
I'm fine with most of what you have said, but this statement was absolute BS:
If this is our standard lets go ahead and give up now because this is a slippery slope that leads to iowa state.
I don't know if you were baiting wacky or whatever, but this is absolutely not true. Being satisfied with three 9+ win seasons in 4 years and having the best record in the Big 12 against conference opponents during that is not settling for apathetic standards whatsoever and to imply those that do so are the equivalent of ISU fans and keeping their loser coach is dumb.
I don't troll people.
Did you miss the part where I said "slippery slope to Iowa State" or did you just see Iowa State? If you become good with 9-3 because thats all K-State can be then you will rationalize 7 wins soon enough, hence slippery slope.
Yes, I think it's illogical to think that having a 9 win standard will lead to rationalizing 7 wins and becoming ISU. Your logic makes a gigantic leap with that assumption IMHO.
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I think it is ok to be happy with 9-3 but not happy because "hey it's better than being isu" or "hey, i'd take it over 04 and 05". Set expectations and live up to them. The fear is that if your comparison is to crap, your expectations or level of acceptance becomes lower and lower. I dunno.
My comparison is to a) our league and b) college football as a whole. I've been consistent(with hoops too) in wanting to be top 1/3 of the league as a standard. Do that and you will likely be top 25 in the country. But yeah, to say "at least we're better than 04 or 05" is dumb.
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MiR, how can you imply we didn't compete for a championship when we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season.
I'm absolutely ok with seasons like this for a long ass time.
I wasn't trying to imply that we didn't complete for a championship. We beat, killed actually, all of the bad teams but we are no where close to the quality needed to win any of the power 5 conferences. We are good enough to be in the conversation, not even close to good enough to finish the job.
Again, we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season. How much closer to the quality needed to win a power 5 conference can you be without actually winning?
We had no chance of winning either of those games. We were as close this year as we were in 2010.
I'm fine with most of what you have said, but this statement was absolute BS:
If this is our standard lets go ahead and give up now because this is a slippery slope that leads to iowa state.
I don't know if you were baiting wacky or whatever, but this is absolutely not true. Being satisfied with three 9+ win seasons in 4 years and having the best record in the Big 12 against conference opponents during that is not settling for apathetic standards whatsoever and to imply those that do so are the equivalent of ISU fans and keeping their loser coach is dumb.
I don't troll people.
Did you miss the part where I said "slippery slope to Iowa State" or did you just see Iowa State? If you become good with 9-3 because thats all K-State can be then you will rationalize 7 wins soon enough, hence slippery slope.
Yes, I think it's illogical to think that having a 9 win standard will lead to rationalizing 7 wins and becoming ISU. Your logic makes a gigantic leap with that assumption IMHO.
The standard of excellence in sports is well established, it seems as if many people have already resigned themselves that is not attainable for K-State so now we're down to hoping for 10 wins and a shot at a chance at the Big 12 championship. When that becomes tough then the expectations get altered again. You don't like my Iowa State example, fine. Use K-State basketball from Hartman to now as an example of fans changing expectations on a program and its affect.
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The problem with your argument is that we can compete with Baylor.
How is that a problem my argument when we haven't done that? My observation is based on current reality yours is based on hope.
It seems pretty unlikely that Baylor will be able to find QBs like RG3 and Petty every year. I mean...when is the last time recruiting-juggernaut-of-yore UT recruited a QB as good as Petty? Petty graduating = Baylor coming back to earth, IMO.
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Yes, basketball standards (including my own) became awful with the rise of football leading to the terrible Wooly years. I honestly think we are past that, and if Weber continues down the road this season is headed he won't be here many more seasons. Same thing should be in football.
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The problem with your argument is that we can compete with Baylor.
How is that a problem my argument when we haven't done that? My observation is based on current reality yours is based on hope.
It seems pretty unlikely that Baylor will be able to find QBs like RG3 and Petty every year. I mean...when is the last time recruiting-juggernaut-of-yore UT recruited a QB as good as Petty? Petty graduating = Baylor coming back to earth, IMO.
Baylor has been Baylor for long enough not to be marginalized. We know Briles is a great coach. I don't want to be like KU fans waiting for him to leave or die. We've beaten Baylor once in a decade.
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Frankly this all is neither here nor there because this conversation boils down to LHC Bill Snyder's philosophy on how the program should be ran. This conversation ceases to be in a year at most.
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who knew "not bad" was such a bomb throwing type reaction
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Ok guys if I'm not satisfied with 9 and 3 what course of action do I take? Stop buying tickets or watching on TV or donating money or what? Or just sit here with my thumb up my not satisfied butt?
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MiR, how can you imply we didn't compete for a championship when we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season.
I'm absolutely ok with seasons like this for a long ass time.
I wasn't trying to imply that we didn't complete for a championship. We beat, killed actually, all of the bad teams but we are no where close to the quality needed to win any of the power 5 conferences. We are good enough to be in the conversation, not even close to good enough to finish the job.
Again, we played for a championship on the last game of the regular season. How much closer to the quality needed to win a power 5 conference can you be without actually winning?
We had no chance of winning either of those games. We were as close this year as we were in 2010.
I'm fine with most of what you have said, but this statement was absolute BS:
If this is our standard lets go ahead and give up now because this is a slippery slope that leads to iowa state.
I don't know if you were baiting wacky or whatever, but this is absolutely not true. Being satisfied with three 9+ win seasons in 4 years and having the best record in the Big 12 against conference opponents during that is not settling for apathetic standards whatsoever and to imply those that do so are the equivalent of ISU fans and keeping their loser coach is dumb.
I don't troll people.
Did you miss the part where I said "slippery slope to Iowa State" or did you just see Iowa State? If you become good with 9-3 because thats all K-State can be then you will rationalize 7 wins soon enough, hence slippery slope.
Yes, I think it's illogical to think that having a 9 win standard will lead to rationalizing 7 wins and becoming ISU. Your logic makes a gigantic leap with that assumption IMHO.
The standard of excellence in sports is well established, it seems as if many people have already resigned themselves that is not attainable for K-State so now we're down to hoping for 10 wins and a shot at a chance at the Big 12 championship. When that becomes tough then the expectations get altered again. You don't like my Iowa State example, fine. Use K-State basketball from Hartman to now as an example of fans changing expectations on a program and its affect.
I think it's reasonable to expect a shot at a NC every decade or so, and then to choke in the final game or two.
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happiness = reality - expectations
essential equation for any cats fan
This.
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9-3 seasons are fine if the product on the field would lead me to believe that we can compete and win against the best teams. From what I saw against Baylor and TCU, we can't. I know the Baylor game looked close from a scoring perspective but I don't see how you can watch that game and not come away thinking Baylor is in another league and would win 9 out of 10 games against us.
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9-3 seasons are fine if the product on the field would lead me to believe that we can compete and win against the best teams. From what I saw against Baylor and TCU, we can't. I know the Baylor game looked close from a scoring perspective but I don't see how you can watch that game and not come away thinking Baylor is in another league and would win 9 out of 10 games against us.
I know how you can. TCU boat raced us. The other two were winnable.
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We have landed the best recruiting class in Bill 2.0 last year. We are currently on the verge of having a better one this year. I think we are progressing, I think we should be happy with the trend.
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Scoffing at .750 is silly.
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
If Green, Johnson, Jones and Moore stayed healthy could we of gotten another win. What about if we landed a couple of serviceable JUCO offensive tackles last year.
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.
Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.
With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.
In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.
Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.
With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.
In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.
someone should slap you in the face right now _fan
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.
Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.
With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.
In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.
someone should slap you in the face right now _fan
Do it!
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TLBL did not miss major playing time.
Waters stayed healthy enough to start every game.
If someone had told me that was going to happen before the first game I would have taken it and ran, so 9-3 :cool:
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I just appreciate everybody's efforts to meltdown over a 9-3 season when most everybody predicted either 8-4 or 9-3...
Good job, guys!!
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If not already said, K-State's losses came to teams that were ranked no lower than #6 in the nation at the time they were played. Yeah, I would say a damn good season.
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I think what's bothering some cat fans is because k-state teams put out such a consistently high effort level, and play about the same every week, it's really easy to see where our ceiling is.
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6-6 without Lockett...I'm really scared about next year.
I think we will be better.
Why?
We return a lot on defense and are going to be able to run the football.
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I just appreciate everybody's efforts to meltdown over a 9-3 season when most everybody predicted either 8-4 or 9-3...
Good job, guys!!
:emawkid:
Not everbody's efforts, just a few slugs and want-a-bees that have something against LHCBS every since he has came back. We're looking at you MIR and Kimmy.
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I just appreciate everybody's efforts to meltdown over a 9-3 season when most everybody predicted either 8-4 or 9-3...
Good job, guys!!
:emawkid:
Not everbody's efforts, just a few slugs and want-a-bees that have something against LHCBS every since he has came back. We're looking at you MIR and Kimmy.
If we get a 10th win against the Bruinkats, i'll be very pleased with this season :thumbsup:
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Although it would have been nice to have gotten a share of the conference title, I look at the difficulty of a program like Texas getting to and sustaining our success of the past four years, and feel better about 9-3.
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I think Snyder comes back to make one more run with Huebner/Ertz.
We will play the style of ball next year that suits our coaches and our fans. I'm worried about linebacker and running back. Other than that am very excited with what we have coming back. Ps. would like to pick up a Meshack Williams to replace Mueller.
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the Texas shutout should be getting more love
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We have landed the best recruiting class in Bill 2.0 last year. We are currently on the verge of having a better one this year. I think we are progressing, I think we should be happy with the trend.
Let's pump the brakes on this. Matching the 2014 class will only be possible if we flip the Davis twins.
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We have landed the best recruiting class in Bill 2.0 last year. We are currently on the verge of having a better one this year. I think we are progressing, I think we should be happy with the trend.
Let's pump the brakes on this. Matching the 2014 class will only be possible if we flip the Davis twins.
I think it currently could be better. I think leaning hard on high school kids is a smart move for us. Landing Ryan Davis would also for sure make it better.
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.
Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.
With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.
In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.
I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?
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This team might have been the easiest team to judge its ceiling, like of all time. Interesting.
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This team might have been the easiest team to judge its ceiling, like of all time. Interesting.
If Daniel Sams never took a snap last year, 2013 would have had a very similar vibe.
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Agreed. One reason sports is so popular is that it mimics our lives and dreams and wants and competitive spirit. We'd like to think we're capable of anything. I think this team being so clearly capable of a very easy to pinpoint amount of success took some of the wind of of the fanbases sails.
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9-3 against this schedule at kansas state is nothing to be upset about at all
There are two completely different conversations happening here and I'm not sure if you guys are doing it intentionally or not. Did anyone say they are upset that we're 9-3?
for the most part when I post I'm just talking to myself in incomplete thoughts
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For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is.
Perhaps that's where the nuanced difference lies; I'm not willing to say that 9-3 is the ceiling, especially to say it is a "fact". There is no reason for me to believe that we couldn't have another 2014 type season in the next 5-10 years.
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.
Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.
With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.
In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.
I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?
You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.
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For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is.
Perhaps that's where the nuanced difference lies; I'm not willing to say that 9-3 is the ceiling, especially to say it is a "fact". There is no reason for me to believe that we couldn't have another 2014 type season in the next 5-10 years.
as opposed to what?
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10-2 was the ceiling for this team, not 9-3. we didn't hit the ceiling.
and somehow taking this year's results and saying that's this staff's ceiling, while ignoring two better seasons 3 years ago is a bit puzzling.
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remember on the office when jim wore the shirt that said "go ceilings!" for halloween and he was a ceiling fan? that was hilarious
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yeah. good joke.
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.
Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.
With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.
In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.
I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?
You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.
I'm fairly confident that it will be for the remainder of Bill's tenure.
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just to clarify i'm talking about this years teams ceiling, not the programs ceiling. although with LHCBS's philosophy and our recruiting we will definitely have clear ceilings more than most.
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good ceiling talk, tho
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.
Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.
With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.
In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.
I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?
You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.
I'm fairly confident that it will be for the remainder of Bill's tenure.
Why don't you think 2012-type seasons are our ceiling?
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sealing and ceiling sound exactly the same but look so different! :surprised:
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.
Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.
With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.
In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.
I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?
You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.
I'm fairly confident that it will be for the remainder of Bill's tenure.
Why don't you think 2012-type seasons are our ceiling?
elite transfers
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.
Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.
With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.
In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.
I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?
You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.
Believe me I'm not. Feels like our coaching staff has built our program to reflect just that. Nothing about our recruiting, in game philosophy, or roster management says "let's swing for the fences." _FAN, 2012 was built off of two transcendent stars; one of which was a one time receiver recruited by another staff and the other was a D1 transfer coming home. I'd rather the program actually make moves that make 2012 more possible instead of a program philosophy of being better than the bad teams.
I have been pretty vocal about how I feel about Gary Patterson, but I will give him credit for seeing that his program wasn't a championship program and he made moves to make the program better. He could have been content with having a solid 7-8 win bowl team each year with a great defense as the hallmark, but he didn't sit on that.
Its whatever like I said though unless Dana Dimel or Sean Snyder will be our next head coach.
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10-2 was the ceiling for this team, not 9-3. we didn't hit the ceiling.
and somehow taking this year's results and saying that's this staff's ceiling, while ignoring two better seasons 3 years ago is a bit puzzling.
How do you figure? We had 4 teams on the schedule with better talent, all four teams also have proven coaching staffs. We went 1-3 against those teams.
I'd also like to point out that it's somewhat conceivable that Oklahoma, Texas, and Oklahoma State all hit their floor this season as well.
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.
Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.
With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.
In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.
I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?
You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.
Believe me I'm not. Feels like our coaching staff has built our program to reflect just that. Nothing about our recruiting, in game philosophy, or roster management says "let's swing for the fences." _FAN, 2012 was built off of two transcendent stars; one of which was a one time receiver recruited by another staff and the other was a D1 transfer coming home. I'd rather the program actually make moves that make 2012 more possible instead of a program philosophy of being better than the bad teams.
I have been pretty vocal about how I feel about Gary Patterson, but I will give him credit for seeing that his program wasn't a championship program and he made moves to make the program better. He could have been content with having a solid 7-8 win bowl team each year with a great defense as the hallmark, but he didn't sit on that.
Its whatever like I said though unless Dana Dimel or Sean Snyder will be our next head coach.
You don't think the staff can or will try for star transfers? What did GP do other than changing OC's?
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looking back going into 2011 a 9-3 season was a pretty lofty ceiling.2011-2012 really was unexpected and spoiled us.
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.
Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.
With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.
In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.
I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?
You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.
Believe me I'm not. Feels like our coaching staff has built our program to reflect just that. Nothing about our recruiting, in game philosophy, or roster management says "let's swing for the fences." _FAN, 2012 was built off of two transcendent stars; one of which was a one time receiver recruited by another staff and the other was a D1 transfer coming home. I'd rather the program actually make moves that make 2012 more possible instead of a program philosophy of being better than the bad teams.
I have been pretty vocal about how I feel about Gary Patterson, but I will give him credit for seeing that his program wasn't a championship program and he made moves to make the program better. He could have been content with having a solid 7-8 win bowl team each year with a great defense as the hallmark, but he didn't sit on that.
Its whatever like I said though unless Dana Dimel or Sean Snyder will be our next head coach.
You don't think the staff can or will try for star transfers? What did GP do other than changing OC's?
Firing his OC is much farther than Snyder has ever gone. It would have been easy for Patterson to blame their offensive troubles last year on Pachall's injuries. He saw something and acted on it, in a way admitting his own mistake. That OC change is without a doubt the reason they were the best team in this conference.
Also Arthur was not a star transfer, we loved him but loved Bryce more. Arthur was growing roots out of his ass on Randy Shannon's :lol: that guy bench.
The Brown Brothers left the state and played for Randy Shannon and Derek Dooley, wow.
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I thought Bryce left for Kiffin
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10-2 was the ceiling for this team, not 9-3. we didn't hit the ceiling.
and somehow taking this year's results and saying that's this staff's ceiling, while ignoring two better seasons 3 years ago is a bit puzzling.
How do you figure? We had 4 teams on the schedule with better talent, all four teams also have proven coaching staffs. We went 1-3 against those teams.
I'd also like to point out that it's somewhat conceivable that Oklahoma, Texas, and Oklahoma State all hit their floor this season as well.
This is all hypothetical of course, but I would give our chances against those teams if played 10 times as
au - 6/10
ou - 5/10
tcu - 2/10
bu - 2/10
basically I think we lost one we shouldn't have, but ou was also a toss-up.
I would be concerned about complacency if 9-3 were considered great years, but no one thinks that.
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One stud; 9-3. I mean, LHCBS really is amazing. Three studs, possible national championship.
You really think we were two more players from being 11-1? Because I feel like we were closer to 7-5
We weren't anywhere near 7-5... Maybe 8-4 because the OU game was close af and we had a top 20 SEC team in the OOC, but otherwise we just destroyed everybody else we played that we didn't lose to.
Auburn and Baylor were winnable games with a few breaks/bounces, or if we had a couple more legitimate studs. How close do you think this team would be to 11-1 if Arthur Brown Jr on the defense and Daniel Thomas in the backfield?
Without Lockett we lose to Iowa State and Oklahoma. That's pretty damn close to 7-5.
Goodness these arguments are dumb either way, BBSing or not.
With the players we did have we went 9-3 and 7-2. We competed for a conference title up until the final game of the season. We were in the CFB playoff discussion much of the season. And we finished the regular season as one of the top 11 college football teams in the country.
In other words we had a damn good season. If I ever reach the point where a season like this isn't good enough I hope someone slaps me in the face.
I wish you would stop ignoring the larger point to pander to bottom level dummies you are smarter than. For the last time, 9-3 isn't the problem, the fact that now its seems like this type of a season is a ceiling is. Most people are incapable of understanding nuance and circumstance, you aren't so can we move past the 9-3 is always good stuff?
You seem to be the only person who thinks this type of season is our ceiling.
Believe me I'm not. Feels like our coaching staff has built our program to reflect just that. Nothing about our recruiting, in game philosophy, or roster management says "let's swing for the fences." _FAN, 2012 was built off of two transcendent stars; one of which was a one time receiver recruited by another staff and the other was a D1 transfer coming home. I'd rather the program actually make moves that make 2012 more possible instead of a program philosophy of being better than the bad teams.
I have been pretty vocal about how I feel about Gary Patterson, but I will give him credit for seeing that his program wasn't a championship program and he made moves to make the program better. He could have been content with having a solid 7-8 win bowl team each year with a great defense as the hallmark, but he didn't sit on that.
Its whatever like I said though unless Dana Dimel or Sean Snyder will be our next head coach.
You don't think the staff can or will try for star transfers? What did GP do other than changing OC's?
Firing his OC is much farther than Snyder has ever gone. It would have been easy for Patterson to blame their offensive troubles last year on Pachall's injuries. He saw something and acted on it, in a way admitting his own mistake. That OC change is without a doubt the reason they were the best team in this conference.
Also Arthur was not a star transfer, we loved him but loved Bryce more. Arthur was growing roots out of his ass on Randy Shannon's :lol: that guy bench.
The Brown Brothers left the state and played for Randy Shannon and Derek Dooley, wow.
Boykin played much better than expectations as well. Could've been alot to do with the change in offense, but still impressive for a player we all expected to be a starting wr/back up qb this year.
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I thought Bryce left for Kiffin
Don't remember, just know Dooley was there when he transferred
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sealing and ceiling sound exactly the same but look so different! :surprised:
yeah really good point GFA
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I get your point tho mir, but it is what it is when it comes to snyder. I think most of us agree that we wish he would make some philosophy changes, but we differ that 9-3 is the peak if he doesn't.
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I thought Bryce left for Kiffin
Don't remember, just know Dooley was there when he transferred
He signed with Kiffin, didn't realize Dooley didn't release him:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryce_Brown
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10-2 was the ceiling for this team, not 9-3. we didn't hit the ceiling.
and somehow taking this year's results and saying that's this staff's ceiling, while ignoring two better seasons 3 years ago is a bit puzzling.
How do you figure? We had 4 teams on the schedule with better talent, all four teams also have proven coaching staffs. We went 1-3 against those teams.
I'd also like to point out that it's somewhat conceivable that Oklahoma, Texas, and Oklahoma State all hit their floor this season as well.
This is all hypothetical of course, but I would give our chances against those teams if played 10 times as
au - 6/10
ou - 5/10
tcu - 2/10
bu - 2/10
basically I think we lost one we shouldn't have, but ou was also a toss-up.
I would be concerned about complacency if 9-3 were considered great years, but no one thinks that.
There are plenty of people who have stated they would be good with 9-3 every year, all I'm saying is that I wouldn't be.
I get your point tho mir, but it is what it is when it comes to snyder. I think most of us agree that we wish he would make some philosophy changes, but we differ that 9-3 is the peak if he doesn't.
thats fair enough
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I thought Bryce left for Kiffin
Don't remember, just know Dooley was there when he transferred
He signed with Kiffin, didn't realize Dooley didn't release him:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryce_Brown
The Dooley non release was a big deal, someone should did the posts up, I won't.
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10-2 was the ceiling for this team, not 9-3. we didn't hit the ceiling.
and somehow taking this year's results and saying that's this staff's ceiling, while ignoring two better seasons 3 years ago is a bit puzzling.
How do you figure? We had 4 teams on the schedule with better talent, all four teams also have proven coaching staffs. We went 1-3 against those teams.
I'd also like to point out that it's somewhat conceivable that Oklahoma, Texas, and Oklahoma State all hit their floor this season as well.
This is all hypothetical of course, but I would give our chances against those teams if played 10 times as
au - 6/10
ou - 5/10
tcu - 2/10
bu - 2/10
basically I think we lost one we shouldn't have, but ou was also a toss-up.
I would be concerned about complacency if 9-3 were considered great years, but no one thinks that.
There are plenty of people who have stated they would be good with 9-3 every year, all I'm saying is that I wouldn't be.
I get your point tho mir, but it is what it is when it comes to snyder. I think most of us agree that we wish he would make some philosophy changes, but we differ that 9-3 is the peak if he doesn't.
thats fair enough
I could make a semi-believable argument that burning it all down and rebuilding is better than 9-3 every year.
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sealing and ceiling sound exactly the same but look so different! :surprised:
yeah really good point GFA
thanks
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We pushed Cosh out. We changed our recruiting tactics two years ago. I don't think we a done adapting.
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being a 9-3ish team every year would be pretty great because every one in a while, the stars will align and we would be much better (2012) and have a chance for greatness. but i agree that things seem a little boring/stagnent and don't see them getting better the next few years. it's a bummer.
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We pushed Cosh out. We changed our recruiting tactics two years ago. I don't think we a done adapting.
everytime i think of cosh i always remember this beautiful piece of work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p71BPPPf9g
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I wonder how many people good with this also made fun of Nebraska
i made fun of them for firing a coach who perpetually went 9-3.
They weren't okay with knowing they would never seriously compete for a championship with that coach, I really don't know how you could find fault with that. You want to win 8-10 games every year but not have a legit shot at being the best, fine but that's not for me. I haven't invested all this time and moI wonder how many people good with this also made fun of Nebraska
i made fun of them for firing a coach who perpetually went 9-3.
They weren't okay with knowing they would never seriously compete for a championship with that coach, I really don't know how you could find fault with that. You want to win 8-10 games every year but not have a legit shot at being the best, fine but that's not for me. I haven't invested all this time and money into this program to be cool with taking a backseat to freaking Baylor.
Obviously I never post, so that probably discounts my opinion. And MIR's a racist, but he's spot on here...
ney into this program to be cool with taking a backseat to freaking Baylor.
Obviously I never post, so that probably discounts my opinion. And MIR's a racist, but he's spot on here...
:lol:
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sealing and ceiling sound exactly the same but look so different! :surprised:
yeah really good point GFA
thanks
I mean we were all thinking it.
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Season's pretty meh in light of having mortgaged the future for it. Would've been nice to be something other than the measuring stick for other teams to know if they're contenders or not.
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I'm tired of our 'Cats coming so close to being at that next level, but not ever getting there. Try and Try, but it's not going to happen.
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I don't think this is a good season to judge Bills 2.0 ceiling. We couldn't really effective run the ball this year making it super strange. We also heavily relied walk-ons / former walk-ons.
I think in the last two years we have had a more of a focus on recruiting more athleticism, I think Baylor has a lot to do with this.
Sometimes I fell like Bill 2.0 is just holding on by a thread tho.
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Sometimes I fell like Bill 2.0 is just holding on by a thread tho.
Actually I think we're on super solid footing. I mean, next years team will probably be more athletic than this years and that's been the theme for a few years running now. We also seem to recruit slightly better every year, although that's insanely hard to judge and incremental. But you're never going to hear "5 star qb transfers to k-state" or something like that; nor do we even try to do that. Brown and Harper arrived because of circumstances that were very unlikely and will probably never be seen again at least for a long time. We aren't going to take that home run swing anytime soon; although we will continue to beat the crap out of crappy teams and grind out wins over similarly talented teams with no problem. Which, if you have the right outlook on it, can still be fun.
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9-3 is just killing MIR. :frown:
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I'm tired of our 'Cats coming so close to being at that next level, but not ever getting there. Try and Try, but it's not going to happen.
They weren't close this season. They were a long way away. 2012 was there before Klein got his bell rung, and before losing it's best defensive player.
98 was there.
2000, 2002 were good enough, but biffed it. 2003, we'll never know what might have been.
I don't think there is another K-State team that was on a championship level. I'll take five or so legitimate shots every 15-20 years in a heartbeat, but they have to be legit. It does stink to have not gotten it done at least once though.
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Sometimes I fell like Bill 2.0 is just holding on by a thread tho.
Actually I think we're on super solid footing. I mean, next years team will probably be more athletic than this years and that's been the theme for a few years running now. We also seem to recruit slightly better every year, although that's insanely hard to judge and incremental. But you're never going to hear "5 star qb transfers to k-state" or something like that; nor do we even try to do that. Brown and Harper arrived because of circumstances that were very unlikely and will probably never be seen again at least for a long time. We aren't going to take that home run swing anytime soon; although we will continue to beat the crap out of crappy teams and grind out wins over similarly talented teams with no problem. Which, if you have the right outlook on it, can still be fun.
I don't agree with this. The day K-State stops trying for the best kids in Kansas is the day you can close the book on ever having another real shot. Harper would have come to K-State if Franklin had stuck around, but Prince screwed up that relationship.
I have to think that Snyder, with good recruiters on staff might have gotten those guys. I could be completely wrong, as I'm pulling this out of my ass.
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I don't think 9-3 is the ceiling. I think the ceiling is 11-1 and the floor is 5-6. I don't think KSU will ever run the table again with this style of defense / lack of talent on defense. I suppose that is sad because that essentially means KSU will likely never make the playoffs, but you never know. I think its tough to sell a BS slippery slope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope) argument when KSU fired Prince after 2.5 years and pushed Bill 1.0 out the door after two bad seasons.
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I don't think 9-3 is the ceiling. I think the ceiling is 11-1 and the floor is 5-6. I don't think KSU will ever run the table again with this style of defense / lack of talent on defense. I suppose that is sad because that essentially means KSU will likely never make the playoffs, but you never know. I think its tough to sell a BS slippery slope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope) argument when KSU fired Prince after 2.5 years and pushed Bill 1.0 out the door after two bad seasons.
I agree with that.
The key difference between this team and 12 was that our defense didn't force TOs this year. Our offense tried to make up for it by rarely turning it over, but it wasn't enough. 14 also had a more prolific scoring offense (those points per play don't include special teams). This team also played a pretty tough schedule comparatively.
The real disappointment of this season was not winning the very winnable game against Auburn and that was mainly on the offense/STs because we got a great performance by the defense in that one.
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I don't think 9-3 is the ceiling. I think the ceiling is 11-1 and the floor is 5-6. I don't think KSU will ever run the table again with this style of defense / lack of talent on defense. I suppose that is sad because that essentially means KSU will likely never make the playoffs, but you never know. I think its tough to sell a BS slippery slope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope) argument when KSU fired Prince after 2.5 years and pushed Bill 1.0 out the door after two bad seasons.
i think we'll see the playoff move to 8 teams, with 5 auto-bids way sooner than people think. which would be good for the cats making the playoff, not good for the cats winning 3 huge games in a row to win a natty.
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We pushed Cosh out. We changed our recruiting tactics two years ago. I don't think we a done adapting.
I read the last sentence with an Italian accent.
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We pushed Cosh out. We changed our recruiting tactics two years ago. I don't think we a done adapting.
I read the last sentence with an Italian accent.
:D
Even more funny for me since we now have an Italian exchange student in our home.
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Man that 02 team was so awesome. Sucks we didn't even get to play in the Big XII championship game.
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We pushed Cosh out. We changed our recruiting tactics two years ago. I don't think we a done adapting.
More on this please. TIA
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Man that 02 team was so awesome. Sucks we didn't even get to play in the Big XII championship game.
Yeah, the 2 losses were disappointing. Roberson was still developing as a passer and that costs us in the CU and UT games. He only completed 38.7% of his passes in those 2 games at 6.1 yards per attempt. Once he got more accurate as a passer, especially on deep balls because teams loaded up to stop the run, we became really explosive on offense.
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1997 was remarkably talented but young, the roster was better top to bottom than all but 98, 02 and maybe 99 and 00. The lack of depth we hand in 03 and 12 is really regrettable.
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I'm just horribly disappointed that the Cats had a shot to win the conference and didn't pull it off. This type of season should instill a hunger for greater success and not a feeling of accomplishment. Whether valid or not, I get the feeling that most fans and staff are content with how things ended up. Just my opinion.
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I'm just horribly disappointed that the Cats had a shot to win the conference and didn't pull it off. This type of season should instill a hunger for greater success and not a feeling of accomplishment. Whether valid or not, I get the feeling that most fans and staff are content with how things ended up. Just my opinion.
Why can't you have the feeling of both? You can still have some clear disappointments yet still feel you accomplished quite a bit at the same time. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. JMHO.
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I'm just horribly disappointed that the Cats had a shot to win the conference and didn't pull it off. This type of season should instill a hunger for greater success and not a feeling of accomplishment. Whether valid or not, I get the feeling that most fans and staff are content with how things ended up. Just my opinion.
Why can't you have the feeling of both? You can still have some clear disappointments yet still feel you accomplished quite a bit at the same time. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. JMHO.
Yeah. You can be disappointed in the results and acknowledge mistakes were made and at the same time not want anyone fired or anything like that. Do you want someone fired, XocolateThundarr?
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I'm just horribly disappointed that the Cats had a shot to win the conference and didn't pull it off. This type of season should instill a hunger for greater success and not a feeling of accomplishment. Whether valid or not, I get the feeling that most fans and staff are content with how things ended up. Just my opinion.
Why can't you have the feeling of both? You can still have some clear disappointments yet still feel you accomplished quite a bit at the same time. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. JMHO.
Yeah. You can be disappointed in the results and acknowledge mistakes were made and at the same time not want anyone fired or anything like that. Do you want someone fired, XocolateThundarr?
It's a program philosophy that won't get fixed with firing someone.
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I'm just horribly disappointed that the Cats had a shot to win the conference and didn't pull it off. This type of season should instill a hunger for greater success and not a feeling of accomplishment. Whether valid or not, I get the feeling that most fans and staff are content with how things ended up. Just my opinion.
Why can't you have the feeling of both? You can still have some clear disappointments yet still feel you accomplished quite a bit at the same time. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. JMHO.
Yeah. You can be disappointed in the results and acknowledge mistakes were made and at the same time not want anyone fired or anything like that. Do you want someone fired, XocolateThundarr?
It's a program philosophy that won't get fixed with firing someone.
Surely firing Snyder would change "program philosophy", wouldn't it? Should we fire Snyder? Or just tell him to change his philosophy?
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looks like MiR is calling for snyder's head
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i don't think anyone directly involved with the program is 'satisfied' with 9-3.
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I'm just horribly disappointed that the Cats had a shot to win the conference and didn't pull it off. This type of season should instill a hunger for greater success and not a feeling of accomplishment. Whether valid or not, I get the feeling that most fans and staff are content with how things ended up. Just my opinion.
Why can't you have the feeling of both? You can still have some clear disappointments yet still feel you accomplished quite a bit at the same time. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. JMHO.
Yeah. You can be disappointed in the results and acknowledge mistakes were made and at the same time not want anyone fired or anything like that. Do you want someone fired, XocolateThundarr?
It's a program philosophy that won't get fixed with firing someone.
Surely firing Snyder would change "program philosophy", wouldn't it? Should we fire Snyder? Or just tell him to change his philosophy?
I thought Nebraska made the right decision with Bo.
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Oh, wow! MIR is being serious?!
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So, like who's our QB next year?
I keep thinking about that position and really scares the crap out of me!!
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So, like who's our QB next year?
I keep thinking about that position and really scares the crap out of me!!
Mr Touchdown! He's from Iwoa; what else do we need to know.
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I'm just horribly disappointed that the Cats had a shot to win the conference and didn't pull it off. This type of season should instill a hunger for greater success and not a feeling of accomplishment. Whether valid or not, I get the feeling that most fans and staff are content with how things ended up. Just my opinion.
Why can't you have the feeling of both? You can still have some clear disappointments yet still feel you accomplished quite a bit at the same time. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. JMHO.
Yeah. You can be disappointed in the results and acknowledge mistakes were made and at the same time not want anyone fired or anything like that. Do you want someone fired, XocolateThundarr?
It's a program philosophy that won't get fixed with firing someone.
Surely firing Snyder would change "program philosophy", wouldn't it? Should we fire Snyder? Or just tell him to change his philosophy?
I thought Nebraska made the right decision with Bo.
Our last 4 years have been better than Nebraska under Bo, by just about any measure. Should KSU fire Snyder?
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I'm just horribly disappointed that the Cats had a shot to win the conference and didn't pull it off. This type of season should instill a hunger for greater success and not a feeling of accomplishment. Whether valid or not, I get the feeling that most fans and staff are content with how things ended up. Just my opinion.
Why can't you have the feeling of both? You can still have some clear disappointments yet still feel you accomplished quite a bit at the same time. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. JMHO.
Feelings fence
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So, like who's our QB next year?
I keep thinking about that position and really scares the crap out of me!!
Mr Touchdown! He's from Iwoa; what else do we need to know.
I don't think their is a single position returning on offense that I don't think needs to be vastly improve. I don't think their are any sure-fire pieces being added. Like what in the hell would be our strength.
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So, like who's our QB next year?
I keep thinking about that position and really scares the crap out of me!!
Mr Touchdown! He's from Iowa; what else do we need to know.
I don't think their is a single position returning on offense that I don't think needs to be vastly improve. I don't think their are any sure-fire pieces being added. Like what in the hell would be our strength.
We're tossing the ball with Jake, so why not continue with the touchdown kid. He broke HS records for touchdowns and passing in Iowa.
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I'm just horribly disappointed that the Cats had a shot to win the conference and didn't pull it off. This type of season should instill a hunger for greater success and not a feeling of accomplishment. Whether valid or not, I get the feeling that most fans and staff are content with how things ended up. Just my opinion.
Why can't you have the feeling of both? You can still have some clear disappointments yet still feel you accomplished quite a bit at the same time. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. JMHO.
Yeah. You can be disappointed in the results and acknowledge mistakes were made and at the same time not want anyone fired or anything like that. Do you want someone fired, XocolateThundarr?
It's a program philosophy that won't get fixed with firing someone.
Surely firing Snyder would change "program philosophy", wouldn't it? Should we fire Snyder? Or just tell him to change his philosophy?
I thought Nebraska made the right decision with Bo.
Our last 4 years have been better than Nebraska under Bo, by just about any measure. Should KSU fire Snyder?
Did I compare the last four years here to Nebraska or at any point disparage the last four years? I don't even know why the eff you're asking me that. If we had two or three more years of 8 or 9 years with no sign of improvement and Snyder wasn't 473 years old, yep I'd want him fired.
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I'm asking you if you'd fire Snyder, because if you aren't willing to fire him, you must be complacent and OK with the results.
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OU should fire stoops at that rate, MIR.
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I'm asking you if you'd fire Snyder, because if you aren't willing to fire him, you must be complacent and OK with the results.
I answered the question didn't I? Not only that but I addressed that specific point more than once when I said Snyder's age and pending retirement makes this a non issue. Go ahead and ask me five more times.
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I'm asking you if you'd fire Snyder, because if you aren't willing to fire him, you must be complacent and OK with the results.
I answered the question didn't I? Not only that but I addressed that specific point more than once when I said Snyder's age and pending retirement makes this a non issue. Go ahead and ask me five more times.
I only asked twice and you only answered once. sheesh.
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FTR...I wouldn't be disappointed with a change in staff sooner rather than later.
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FTR...I wouldn't be disappointed with a change in staff sooner rather than later.
complacent
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FTR...I wouldn't be disappointed with a change in staff sooner rather than later.
complacent
Alright......fire everyone......before the bowl game.
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OU and should fire stoops at that rate, MIR.
I've had a very specific qualifier in nearly every single post in this topic that excludes Stoops, I'm not going to type it again. You guys are seeing what you want to see and pitching a fit without understanding the full point. At no point in this thread did I ever say going 9-3 is a problem. That being said Bob Stoops will not be allowed to have 3 or 4 consecutive seasons like this one.
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FTR...I wouldn't be disappointed with a change in staff sooner rather than later.
complacent
Alright......fire everyone......before the bowl game.
that's the kind of zeal I want to see.
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FTR...I wouldn't be disappointed with a change in staff sooner rather than later.
complacent
Alright......fire everyone......before the bowl game.
that's the kind of zeal I want to see.
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9-3 just doesn't mean much when you don't beat any good teams to get there like Nebraska. I guess you could say that about our season this year, but OU is pretty good at home.
I'm honestly not worried at all about next season. We will have 3 gimmes nonconference, plus easy wins over ISU, KU, and Tech to get bowl eligible at worst. The ceiling next year is 8 or 9 wins, which should be pretty good to build on for Bill's last run in 2016 (assuming he doesn't decide to quit after this year).
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Only really one disappointing game and that was the Auburn game.
We were TCU's Super Bowl.
The Baylor game was disappointing only because they gave us a window to make that game a nail biter and the Dimel-Miller duo said no thanks.
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I think we should hire some unproven Special Teams coach.
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Only really one disappointing game and that was the Auburn game.
We were TCU's Super Bowl.
The Baylor game was disappointing only because they gave us a window to make that game a nail biter and the Dimel-Miller duo said no thanks.
Getting that stop at the end of the first half, starting at midfield with 2 minutes left and a chance to tie the game, only to go 3 and out, giving Baylor a field goal was just terrible. As bad as the defense was, that series was the game's defining moment.
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I think it was touched on in this thread, but I everyone should be reminded that we ran off Daniel Sams so we could go 9-3. He could have gotten a fair shake at QB and worked at least as a situational QB all year while getting QB reps in practice (and been in great shape for next year), but no. We threw all our eggs in the Jake Waters basket so we could rough ridin' go 9-3.
^this pisses me off more than anything and I hope you Jake Waters lovers are happy with yourselves.
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Only really one disappointing game and that was the Auburn game.
We were TCU's Super Bowl.
The Baylor game was disappointing only because they gave us a window to make that game a nail biter and the Dimel-Miller duo said no thanks.
Getting that stop at the end of the first half, starting at midfield with 2 minutes left and a chance to tie the game, only to go 3 and out, giving Baylor a field goal was just terrible. As bad as the defense was, that series was the game's defining moment.
eff now i'm getting mad about the game again. i had done a pretty good job of forgetting it quickly.
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I think it was touched on in this thread, but I everyone should be reminded that we ran off Daniel Sams so we could go 9-3. He could have gotten a fair shake at QB and worked at least as a situational QB all year while getting QB reps in practice (and been in great shape for next year), but no. We threw all our eggs in the Jake Waters basket so we could rough ridin' go 9-3.
^this pisses me off more than anything and I hope you Jake Waters lovers are happy with yourselves.
You think he would have stayed healthy? He split time this year at a different level and couldn't stay on the field. :frown:
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I think it was touched on in this thread, but I everyone should be reminded that we ran off Daniel Sams so we could go 9-3. He could have gotten a fair shake at QB and worked at least as a situational QB all year while getting QB reps in practice (and been in great shape for next year), but no. We threw all our eggs in the Jake Waters basket so we could rough ridin' go 9-3.
^this pisses me off more than anything and I hope you Jake Waters lovers are happy with yourselves.
You think he would have stayed healthy? He split time this year at a different level and couldn't stay on the field. :frown:
this year? absolutely. especially splitting time.
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our schedule didn't do us any favors this year either. TCU and Baylor were juggernauts at home, but considerably worse on the road (especially TCU). we played 4 out of our toughest 5 conference games on the road.
wonder if we could've knocked one of them off had we played'em in the BSFS.
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Well that schedule flip should really help next season given the rebuild discussion.
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Well that schedule flip should really help next season given the rebuild discussion.
can't tell if you're serious or not, but next year we'd ideally have the easy games at home and toughies on the road.
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I think it was touched on in this thread, but I everyone should be reminded that we ran off Daniel Sams so we could go 9-3. He could have gotten a fair shake at QB and worked at least as a situational QB all year while getting QB reps in practice (and been in great shape for next year), but no. We threw all our eggs in the Jake Waters basket so we could rough ridin' go 9-3.
^this pisses me off more than anything and I hope you Jake Waters lovers are happy with yourselves.
You think he would have stayed healthy? He split time this year at a different level and couldn't stay on the field. :frown:
this year? absolutely. especially splitting time.
He would've done Charles Jones stuff slightly more than Jones did. It certainly wouldn't have been like last year.
I do put some credence in the fact that he went to a 6-5 FBS team and didn't win the job, granted I know he had injury issues.
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I think it was touched on in this thread, but I everyone should be reminded that we ran off Daniel Sams so we could go 9-3. He could have gotten a fair shake at QB and worked at least as a situational QB all year while getting QB reps in practice (and been in great shape for next year), but no. We threw all our eggs in the Jake Waters basket so we could rough ridin' go 9-3.
^this pisses me off more than anything and I hope you Jake Waters lovers are happy with yourselves.
You think he would have stayed healthy? He split time this year at a different level and couldn't stay on the field. :frown:
this year? absolutely. especially splitting time.
He would've done Charles Jones stuff slightly more than Jones did. It certainly wouldn't have been like last year.
That would have been fine as long as Daniel was getting a fair shot and getting maximum QB reps in practice. Jake could have been able to rehab after he tore his shoulder up and started running like a fraidy-cat.
And without a doubt we'd be monumentally better off going into next season, but we had a 9-3 season at our fingertips that we just couldn't pass up!
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I think it was touched on in this thread, but I everyone should be reminded that we ran off Daniel Sams so we could go 9-3. He could have gotten a fair shake at QB and worked at least as a situational QB all year while getting QB reps in practice (and been in great shape for next year), but no. We threw all our eggs in the Jake Waters basket so we could rough ridin' go 9-3.
^this pisses me off more than anything and I hope you Jake Waters lovers are happy with yourselves.
You think he would have stayed healthy? He split time this year at a different level and couldn't stay on the field. :frown:
this year? absolutely. especially splitting time.
He would've done Charles Jones stuff slightly more than Jones did. It certainly wouldn't have been like last year.
That would have been fine as long as Daniel was getting a fair shot and getting maximum QB reps in practice. Jake could have been able to rehab after he tore his shoulder up and started running like a fraidy-cat.
And without a doubt we'd be monumentally better off going into next season, but we had a 9-3 season at our fingertips that we just couldn't pass up!
I agree with that.
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Well that schedule flip should really help next season given the rebuild discussion.
can't tell if you're serious or not, but next year we'd ideally have the easy games at home and toughies on the road.
Depends what kind of team you think you have. Having toughies at home probably gives you a better shot at having an exceptional season.
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Well that schedule flip should really help next season given the rebuild discussion.
can't tell if you're serious or not, but next year we'd ideally have the easy games at home and toughies on the road.
Depends what kind of team you think you have. Having toughies at home probably gives you a better shot at having an exceptional season.
so yeah i'd agree with you dlew
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I wish rusty would stop bringing up SAMs. It hurts too much.
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I honestly had no preference between Sams and Waters last year.
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Well that schedule flip should really help next season given the rebuild discussion.
can't tell if you're serious or not, but next year we'd ideally have the easy games at home and toughies on the road.
Depends what kind of team you think you have. Having toughies at home probably gives you a better shot at having an exceptional season.
Agreed. Next year's schedule is great for a good/ great team and scary for a mediocre / bad team.
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our schedule didn't do us any favors this year either. TCU and Baylor were juggernauts at home, but considerably worse on the road (especially TCU). we played 4 out of our toughest 5 conference games on the road.
wonder if we could've knocked one of them off had we played'em in the BSFS.
We got to play Baylor in the last game of the season rather than early in conference season. Swap the order of the Baylor and the TTech games, and we lose the "in the conference race until the last game of the season" talking point.
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our schedule didn't do us any favors this year either. TCU and Baylor were juggernauts at home, but considerably worse on the road (especially TCU). we played 4 out of our toughest 5 conference games on the road.
wonder if we could've knocked one of them off had we played'em in the BSFS.
We got to play Baylor in the last game of the season rather than early in conference season. Swap the order of the Baylor and the TTech games, and we lose the "in the conference race until the last game of the season" talking point.
he didn't say anything about the order, just mentioned the fact that our two toughest games were on the road. That was the reason anything but an exceptionally good team was going to have at least a couple losses this year.