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How many more eff ups does Bill give him before benching his slow ass for good? My god.
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Remember when people were saying he might not suck? :lol:
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I've actually been really impressed with his game. I see a little Ed Reed in him.
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He and Truman are the soft underbelly of our defense.
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On Ou's 42 yd run on 2nd and 20 (Ou first TD drive), he took a poor angle and didn't even get a hand on the Rb. He's not athletic or good enough to be a starter.
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On Ou's 42 yd run on 2nd and 20 (Ou first TD drive), he took a poor angle and didn't even get a hand on the Rb. He's not athletic or good enough to be a starter.
It was really an awful play by him.
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Guys, he's the backup now
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An in experienced yet athletic Prewitt or Newlin has got to be a better option. Painful to watch him suck this bad.
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Guys, he's the backup now
He's not good enough to be on the team at all. There is no way Prewett or Newlan are worse. I'm not sure how you can be as bad as Schellenberg.
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He and Truman are the soft underbelly of our defense.
solid post
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Guys, he's the backup now
He's not good enough to be on the team at all. There is no way Prewett or Newlan are worse. I'm not sure how you can be as bad as Schellenberg.
crap put Cantele at saftey at this point.
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He is awful. I want Newlan in.
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i want to know why dakorey didn't play last year
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i want to know why dakorey didn't play last year
This
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i want to know why dakorey didn't play last year
Didn't do things the right way last year. I guess what I'm trying to say is Truman and Slaughter had more intrinsic values.
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Guse I really miss Green :bawl: like a lot.
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Guse I really miss Green :bawl: like a lot.
Yes. Bend don't break pass defense doesn't work with poor run support.
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Guse I really miss Green :bawl: like a lot.
Yes. Bend don't break pass defense doesn't work with poor run support.
Also, doesn't work with no safety help on one side of the field against the pass. It's pretty much like playing with ten players.
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He might be my least favorite Cat of all time.
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He might be my least favorite Cat of all time.
More than Smoke Patterson? At least he just suck, instead of pissing away talent and athleticism.
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Right at him
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Rough series for our five heart guy. Burns too.
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We literally cannot be worse with anyone else in. They are just matching down the field every damn possession. Why not let someone else play? Doesn't make any sense to me.
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Twice now a WR has gotten behind him because he is getting duped by play action. He is having as poor of a day as anyone this year.
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We seem to follow a couple plays of sound defense with another of Prince era tackling angles.
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Burns not burns!
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Moments of atrocious tackling in this game. Man.
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This defense is so bad.
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JFC. One stop of OU and we win this game. Won't be able to do it.
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OU has absolutely destroyed the combination of Schelly and Burns.
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I'm now officially terrified of what Bryce Petty is going to do to our defense.
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He falls for every single play action. He is awful.
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If he was emaw even a little bit he would fall down the stairs and force our coaches to play prewett.
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He falls for every single play action. He is awful.
And has no athletic ability to recover. None.
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I'm still failing to understand why Prewitt isn't playing over this guy.
That's two times he cost KSU, and both resulted 13 points.
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I'm still failing to understand why Prewitt isn't playing over this guy.
That's two times he cost KSU, and both resulted 13 points.
Yeah we have nothing to lose by playing Prewett. There's no way he is worse than Schellenberg.
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Shelly was completely lost on both of those last plays. Like no idea what was going on. I really don't understand how one player can be responsible for so many bad plays and still be in the game.
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you guys I have full faith in the defense to get the stop we need to win the game.
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you guys I have full faith in the defense to get the stop we need to win the game.
Why? We haven't stopped them all day.
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you guys I have full faith in the defense to get the stop we need to win the game.
Why? We haven't stopped them all day.
Faith means believing in things you havent seen.
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you guys I have full faith in the defense to get the stop we need to win the game.
Why? We haven't stopped them all day.
Faith means believing in things you havent seen.
Hard to have faith when one guy is completely blowing it, and still is on the field.
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We're playing 9 guys to OU's 11. Maybe even 8-1/2 because Burns sucks too.
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you guys I have full faith in the defense to get the stop we need to win the game.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
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We took him out on the stop
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Burns and Shelly is embarassing as d1 starters
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Burns and Shelly is embarassing as d1 starters
Burns is serviceable, he just needs help against great receivers and with Shelley playing he doesn't get any.
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you guys I have full faith in the defense to get the stop we need to win the game.
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I've actually been really impressed with his game. I see a little Ed Reed in him.
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I don't know how we beat TCU, WVU, or Baylor with him playing. :frown:
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Shoelace tackles.
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Shoelace tackles.
Out of position, biting on every play action, no help over the middle. He is the worst safety I have ever seen.
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I've been as hard on schellenberg as anyone but I'm giving this kid the Texas and OKstate game to hopefully warm up for TCU/Baylor/WVU. Snyder really needs to work magic on this kid because every game he appears so far out of his league I don't understand what they see in him.
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We seem to follow a couple plays of sound defense with another of Prince era tackling angles.
This, the entire defense played poorly yesterday. Scape goating, Shelly is very goE
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so you guys think you know more than snyder?
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I could be wrong, but didn't he make a shoelace tackle to prevent a touchdown on OU's last drive yesterday?
His play is abysmal though.
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I could be wrong, but didn't he make a shoelace tackle to prevent a touchdown on OU's last drive yesterday?
His play is abysmal though.
It wouldn't have been a shoelace tackle if he were a decent athlete. I'm glad he made it though.
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I could be wrong, but didn't he make a shoelace tackle to prevent a touchdown on OU's last drive yesterday?
His play is abysmal though.
I remember the play but I don't know if it was the last drive. Hopefully 2 games will improve his ability to read plays or something
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I could be wrong, but didn't he make a shoelace tackle to prevent a touchdown on OU's last drive yesterday?
His play is abysmal though.
It wouldn't have been a shoelace tackle if he were a decent athlete. I'm glad he made it though.
Truman isn't a great athlete either but he is always in the right spot at the right time. Schelly needs to mirror this.
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Did anyone on our dline register a statistic yesterday? Shelly ' s fault?
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Did anyone on our dline register a statistic yesterday? Shelly ' s fault?
You'd think you missed the entire 2nd quarter after you made this comment and a prior crack about not being able to stop OUs run game between the tackles.
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Did anyone on our dline register a statistic yesterday? Shelly ' s fault?
You'd think you missed the entire 2nd quarter after you made this comment and a prior crack about not being able to stop OUs run game between the tackles.
You'd think you were illiterate after reading every one of your posts.
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Geary appears to be a good player. Does absorbing double teams count as a statistic?
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Geary appears to be a good player. Does absorbing double teams count as a statistic?
How about tackling runningbacks five yards off the line of scrimmage because of poor run support from the safety. That happened yesterday as well.
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Geary appears to be a good player. Does absorbing double teams count as a statistic?
How about tackling runningbacks five yards off the line of scrimmage because of poor run support from the safety. That happened yesterday as well.
#My guy whooped ass yesterday. He also bulldogged the OU center on the last field goal they missed.
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he's pretty bad
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We seem to follow a couple plays of sound defense with another of Prince era tackling angles.
This, the entire defense played poorly yesterday. Scape goating, Shelly is very goE
except the defense has played well this year. I can't say that for shelly. like, ever.
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Schellenberg and Burns are not good. Burns is at least serviceable though. Schellenberg is the worst safety I have ever seen. He's like Kendrick Lewis vs. Peyton Manning over and over.
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Ranom thought, put nate jackson at the nickel and move evans to safety? If we're not going to play the better athlete at safety, i say do a little shuffling of guys you will play. Won't happen but a thought.
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Ranom thought, put nate jackson at the nickel and move evans to safety? If we're not going to play the better athlete at safety, i say do a little shuffling of guys you will play. Won't happen but a thought.
That actually makes a lot of sense.
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Ranom thought, put nate jackson at the nickel and move evans to safety? If we're not going to play the better athlete at safety, i say do a little shuffling of guys you will play. Won't happen but a thought.
Would take for my guy, Nate, but he's still not very good either. Which makes sense to put him in the nickel spot I guess Tho.
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Ranom thought, put nate jackson at the nickel and move evans to safety? If we're not going to play the better athlete at safety, i say do a little shuffling of guys you will play. Won't happen but a thought.
Would take for my guy, Nate, but he's still not very good either. Which makes sense to put him in the nickel spot I guess Tho.
You're right he's not great, but when you are hiding a huge weakness it's all about the whole picture. I like evans but i never felt like his coverage skills were much above avg if any.
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Since 1 of our safeties is always up in run support, it makes just as much sense to just throw another linebacker out there.
Shelly is not very good, but every bad play was not his fault. McDaniel is garbage in coverage and Barnett mumped up a lot of his assignments. I don't think we have a sack yet this month, which puts even more pressure on our DBs
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Truman and schelly on the same side of the defense is a tight end's dream on play action passes.
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Since 1 of our safeties is always up in run support, it makes just as much sense to just throw another linebacker out there.
Shelly is not very good, but every bad play was not his fault. McDaniel is garbage in coverage and Barnett mumped up a lot of his assignments. I don't think we have a sack yet this month, which puts even more pressure on our DBs
Im not sure of the 4 or 5 linebackers the coaches will play any of them are faster than schelly.
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Since 1 of our safeties is always up in run support, it makes just as much sense to just throw another linebacker out there.
Shelly is not very good, but every bad play was not his fault. McDaniel is garbage in coverage and Barnett mumped up a lot of his assignments. I don't think we have a sack yet this month, which puts even more pressure on our DBs
This. Ryan Mueller has been a non factor so far.
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Since 1 of our safeties is always up in run support, it makes just as much sense to just throw another linebacker out there.
Shelly is not very good, but every bad play was not his fault. McDaniel is garbage in coverage and Barnett mumped up a lot of his assignments. I don't think we have a sack yet this month, which puts even more pressure on our DBs
That's only because he's too busy chasing QB's and catching pick 6's. :fatty:
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Fsd thinks he knows more about football than Snyder.
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Since 1 of our safeties is always up in run support, it makes just as much sense to just throw another linebacker out there.
Shelly is not very good, but every bad play was not his fault. McDaniel is garbage in coverage and Barnett mumped up a lot of his assignments. I don't think we have a sack yet this month, which puts even more pressure on our DBs
This. Ryan Mueller has been a non factor so far.
Shittisburg has to come out he offers zero coverage to help our CB's, I've said it non stop I'd rather Have Newlin Or Prewitt be playing out of position but able to recover then, Shelly being out of position only to take shitty angles while still leaving our Cb's no backside help.
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Since 1 of our safeties is always up in run support, it makes just as much sense to just throw another linebacker out there.
Shelly is not very good, but every bad play was not his fault. McDaniel is garbage in coverage and Barnett mumped up a lot of his assignments. I don't think we have a sack yet this month, which puts even more pressure on our DBs
This. Ryan Mueller has been a non factor so far.
Shittisburg has to come out he offers zero coverage to help our CB's, I've said it non stop I'd rather Have Newlin Or Prewitt be playing out of position but able to recover then, Shelly being out of position only to take shitty angles while still leaving our Cb's no backside help.
I was about to punch my TV watching Schellenberg fall for every play action fake.
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maybe you guys should all get together and write coach a nice a letter about this
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Since 1 of our safeties is always up in run support, it makes just as much sense to just throw another linebacker out there.
Shelly is not very good, but every bad play was not his fault. McDaniel is garbage in coverage and Barnett mumped up a lot of his assignments. I don't think we have a sack yet this month, which puts even more pressure on our DBs
This. Ryan Mueller has been a non factor so far.
Shittisburg has to come out he offers zero coverage to help our CB's, I've said it non stop I'd rather Have Newlin Or Prewitt be playing out of position but able to recover then, Shelly being out of position only to take shitty angles while still leaving our Cb's no backside help.
I was about to punch my TV watching Schellenberg fall for every play action fake.
^ This
I rewatched the game last night and Shelly Bit on every single play fake and got destroyed by Shephard. The announcers were even fluffing ol Knight showing stats how "effecient" he was on play action. Well if yourshitty slow white ass safety bites on every fake hand off and runs 5 yards towards the line of scrimmage, the W.R is gooing to be wide open (especially Shepard).
If something doesn't change in the safety position Okie -lite, Da bears, Horny Toads and Hilly billy's are gonna skull eff us for over 600 yards a piece.
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Since 1 of our safeties is always up in run support, it makes just as much sense to just throw another linebacker out there.
Shelly is not very good, but every bad play was not his fault. McDaniel is garbage in coverage and Barnett mumped up a lot of his assignments. I don't think we have a sack yet this month, which puts even more pressure on our DBs
This. Ryan Mueller has been a non factor so far.
Shittisburg has to come out he offers zero coverage to help our CB's, I've said it non stop I'd rather Have Newlin Or Prewitt be playing out of position but able to recover then, Shelly being out of position only to take shitty angles while still leaving our Cb's no backside help.
I was about to punch my TV watching Schellenberg fall for every play action fake.
^ This
I rewatched the game last night and Shelly Bit on every single play fake and got destroyed by Shephard. The announcers were even fluffing ol Knight showing stats how "effecient" he was on play action. Well if yourshitty slow white ass safety bites on every fake hand off and runs 5 yards towards the line of scrimmage, the W.R is gooing to be wide open (especially Shepard).
If something doesn't change in the safety position Okie -lite, Da bears, Horny Toads and Hilly billy's are gonna skull eff us for over 600 yards a piece.
Yeah, Baylor and TCU are going to drop 50+ on us.
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Since 1 of our safeties is always up in run support, it makes just as much sense to just throw another linebacker out there.
Shelly is not very good, but every bad play was not his fault. McDaniel is garbage in coverage and Barnett mumped up a lot of his assignments. I don't think we have a sack yet this month, which puts even more pressure on our DBs
This. Ryan Mueller has been a non factor so far.
Shittisburg has to come out he offers zero coverage to help our CB's, I've said it non stop I'd rather Have Newlin Or Prewitt be playing out of position but able to recover then, Shelly being out of position only to take shitty angles while still leaving our Cb's no backside help.
I was about to punch my TV watching Schellenberg fall for every play action fake.
^ This
I rewatched the game last night and Shelly Bit on every single play fake and got destroyed by Shephard. The announcers were even fluffing ol Knight showing stats how "effecient" he was on play action. Well if yourshitty slow white ass safety bites on every fake hand off and runs 5 yards towards the line of scrimmage, the W.R is gooing to be wide open (especially Shepard).
If something doesn't change in the safety position Okie -lite, Da bears, Horny Toads and Hilly billy's are gonna skull eff us for over 600 yards a piece.
Yeah, Baylor and TCU are going to drop 50+ on us.
That won't happen. Snyder will milk the clock as long as possible. He should have an easy time doing it because the defense of TCU and Baylor have not looked impressive. Get Baylor and/or TCU's offense out of rhythm and we have a good chance of winning.
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Since 1 of our safeties is always up in run support, it makes just as much sense to just throw another linebacker out there.
Shelly is not very good, but every bad play was not his fault. McDaniel is garbage in coverage and Barnett mumped up a lot of his assignments. I don't think we have a sack yet this month, which puts even more pressure on our DBs
This. Ryan Mueller has been a non factor so far.
Shittisburg has to come out he offers zero coverage to help our CB's, I've said it non stop I'd rather Have Newlin Or Prewitt be playing out of position but able to recover then, Shelly being out of position only to take shitty angles while still leaving our Cb's no backside help.
I was about to punch my TV watching Schellenberg fall for every play action fake.
^ This
I rewatched the game last night and Shelly Bit on every single play fake and got destroyed by Shephard. The announcers were even fluffing ol Knight showing stats how "effecient" he was on play action. Well if yourshitty slow white ass safety bites on every fake hand off and runs 5 yards towards the line of scrimmage, the W.R is gooing to be wide open (especially Shepard).
If something doesn't change in the safety position Okie -lite, Da bears, Horny Toads and Hilly billy's are gonna skull eff us for over 600 yards a piece.
Yeah, Baylor and TCU are going to drop 50+ on us.
That won't happen. Snyder will milk the clock as long as possible. He should have an easy time doing it because the defense of TCU and Baylor have not looked impressive. Get Baylor and/or TCU's offense out of rhythm and we have a good chance of winning.
Easier said than done. We tried that in Waco in 2012 too with a backup safety and that didn't go so well.
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Since 1 of our safeties is always up in run support, it makes just as much sense to just throw another linebacker out there.
Shelly is not very good, but every bad play was not his fault. McDaniel is garbage in coverage and Barnett mumped up a lot of his assignments. I don't think we have a sack yet this month, which puts even more pressure on our DBs
This. Ryan Mueller has been a non factor so far.
Shittisburg has to come out he offers zero coverage to help our CB's, I've said it non stop I'd rather Have Newlin Or Prewitt be playing out of position but able to recover then, Shelly being out of position only to take shitty angles while still leaving our Cb's no backside help.
I was about to punch my TV watching Schellenberg fall for every play action fake.
^ This
I rewatched the game last night and Shelly Bit on every single play fake and got destroyed by Shephard. The announcers were even fluffing ol Knight showing stats how "effecient" he was on play action. Well if yourshitty slow white ass safety bites on every fake hand off and runs 5 yards towards the line of scrimmage, the W.R is gooing to be wide open (especially Shepard).
If something doesn't change in the safety position Okie -lite, Da bears, Horny Toads and Hilly billy's are gonna skull eff us for over 600 yards a piece.
Yeah, Baylor and TCU are going to drop 50+ on us.
That won't happen. Snyder will milk the clock as long as possible. He should have an easy time doing it because the defense of TCU and Baylor have not looked impressive. Get Baylor and/or TCU's offense out of rhythm and we have a good chance of winning.
Easier said than done. We tried that in Waco in 2012 too with a backup safety and that didn't go so well.
Yet last year we thought it would be worse and we almost beat them. Snyder for the most part knows his weaknesses. It also seems that Baylor has a worse defense than last year.
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Since 1 of our safeties is always up in run support, it makes just as much sense to just throw another linebacker out there.
Shelly is not very good, but every bad play was not his fault. McDaniel is garbage in coverage and Barnett mumped up a lot of his assignments. I don't think we have a sack yet this month, which puts even more pressure on our DBs
This. Ryan Mueller has been a non factor so far.
Shittisburg has to come out he offers zero coverage to help our CB's, I've said it non stop I'd rather Have Newlin Or Prewitt be playing out of position but able to recover then, Shelly being out of position only to take shitty angles while still leaving our Cb's no backside help.
I was about to punch my TV watching Schellenberg fall for every play action fake.
^ This
I rewatched the game last night and Shelly Bit on every single play fake and got destroyed by Shephard. The announcers were even fluffing ol Knight showing stats how "effecient" he was on play action. Well if yourshitty slow white ass safety bites on every fake hand off and runs 5 yards towards the line of scrimmage, the W.R is gooing to be wide open (especially Shepard).
If something doesn't change in the safety position Okie -lite, Da bears, Horny Toads and Hilly billy's are gonna skull eff us for over 600 yards a piece.
Yeah, Baylor and TCU are going to drop 50+ on us.
That won't happen. Snyder will milk the clock as long as possible. He should have an easy time doing it because the defense of TCU and Baylor have not looked impressive. Get Baylor and/or TCU's offense out of rhythm and we have a good chance of winning.
Easier said than done. We tried that in Waco in 2012 too with a backup safety and that didn't go so well.
Yet last year we thought it would be worse and we almost beat them. Snyder for the most part knows his weaknesses. It also seems that Baylor has a worse defense than last year.
It helps when the game is at home and you have an All-American at safety instead of Schellenberg.
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"It also seems that Baylor has a worse defense than last year. "
Baylor's offensive line isn't that good. Gives me hope that Mueller can do some damage and help out the secondary before Petty steps up and bombs Shelly over and over.
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Baylor also has a decent rushing team this year. Only 95 vs WVU.... but 272 vs TCU, 278 vs Texas, and 244 vs Iowa St. Their 95 yds @WVU was on 42 rushing attempts. Their rushing success has opened up those giant passes over the safety's heads. Key for beating teams like Baylor is not letting them get in a rhythm and keeping their offense off the field.
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Stoping the run I think we will be fine, we do a decent job (minus OU) of stopping the run. but Baylor does alot of play action. and thats where Shelly Loses his crap every time. He bit on almost every play fake OU threw in his direction and thats what scares me.
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40 can't be below 4.8. This dude is so slow he makes slow safeties seem fast. Nothing personal, he just sucks bad! Don't have to be a football guy to see just how bad this guy is. Either Prewitt is in trouble or being red-shirted as no way our coaches are this dumb to put this NAIA player on our elite field.
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Yeah, Baylor and TCU are going to drop 50+ on us.
FWIW, the advanced stats that I trust the most (footballoutsiders) have OU as the best offense in the Big 12.
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listen to me you dumb motherfuckers, it's Prewett not Prewitt, you stupid son of a bitches.
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Why don't we just play prewitt over Shelly? Has anyone thought of that?
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Yeah, Baylor and TCU are going to drop 50+ on us.
FWIW, the advanced stats that I trust the most (footballoutsiders) have OU as the best offense in the Big 12.
:frown: footballoutsiders dropped us 8 spots for beating OU.
Besides, you should trust ChiMERA's adjusted Points per Possesion the most (who also says OU has the most efficient offense in the Big 12 so far).
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Why don't we just play prewitt over Shelly? Has anyone thought of that?
Are you saying you know more than Snyder ?
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I hope prewitt is ready for prime time
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I saw Travis Green today on campus. He didn't have a brace on or anything and wasn't walking with a limp. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but if he had a serious season ending knee injury wouldn't he have a some sort of brace on? Or walk with a limp? Maybe he returns this season :dunno:?
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I saw Travis Green today on campus. He didn't have a brace on or anything and wasn't walking with a limp. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but if he had a serious season ending knee injury wouldn't he have a some sort of brace on? Or walk with a limp? Maybe he returns this season :dunno:?
Couple of guys with experience have said on some acl tears you can walk around fine but won't be able to do anything " athletic ". Take it for what it's worth but in all likelihood he's done.
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No...he's toast
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and by " athletic " they mean anything more than walking in a straight line
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Are you saying you know more than Snyder ?
Of everything that has been written since the creation of the world, this is nearly the most infuriating.
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I saw Travis Green today on campus. He didn't have a brace on or anything and wasn't walking with a limp. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but if he had a serious season ending knee injury wouldn't he have a some sort of brace on? Or walk with a limp? Maybe he returns this season :dunno:?
Ankles can be very weird sometimes.
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I saw Travis Green today on campus. He didn't have a brace on or anything and wasn't walking with a limp. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but if he had a serious season ending knee injury wouldn't he have a some sort of brace on? Or walk with a limp? Maybe he returns this season :dunno:?
Couple of guys with experience have said on some acl tears you can walk around fine but won't be able to do anything " athletic ". Take it for what it's worth but in all likelihood he's done.
He would have had surgery by now if it was an ACL tear.
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I saw Travis Green today on campus. He didn't have a brace on or anything and wasn't walking with a limp. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but if he had a serious season ending knee injury wouldn't he have a some sort of brace on? Or walk with a limp? Maybe he returns this season :dunno:?
Ankles can be very weird sometimes.
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The ACL (Ankle Cankle Ligament) is a temperamental beast when agitated. The double whammy is just icing on the pickle.
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I saw Travis Green today on campus. He didn't have a brace on or anything and wasn't walking with a limp. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but if he had a serious season ending knee injury wouldn't he have a some sort of brace on? Or walk with a limp? Maybe he returns this season :dunno:?
Couple of guys with experience have said on some acl tears you can walk around fine but won't be able to do anything " athletic ". Take it for what it's worth but in all likelihood he's done.
He would have had surgery by now if it was an ACL tear.
Odds are even with one good leg he is still better then Shellenburg.
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Most of you should never talk about corners, like ever. I'd assume most people, myself included have no damn idea how to evaluate a corner. I keep seeing people call Burns and/or McDaniel terrible. All corners get beat, idiots. Its impossible to know how they are doing without knowing what the coverage is and what their assignments are.
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Most of you should never talk about corners, like ever. I'd assume most people, myself included have no damn idea how to evaluate a corner. I keep seeing people call Burns and/or McDaniel terrible. All corners get beat, idiots. Its impossible to know how they are doing without knowing what the coverage is and what their assignments are.
Corners are going to get beat or at least appear that way depending on coverage, also I feel for corners the reaction time and athleticism needed for that position is incredible. That being said that's what makes having decent safeties important, I know with Snyder's bend but don't break system defenses the safeties have to be "heady" type players with decent athleticism (McGraw, 2Y's and Zimm's). My entire issue is tat Shellenburg isn't a "heady" and once fooled lacks the speed or jumping ability to recover. He needs to be the QB of the Defense and I guarantee the team feels the same way about him that the fans do. It's just pretty Maddening to watch.
P.S- Green I miss you, please heal like really fast.
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fun muffin factoid:
The cats have not lost this year when Shelly has started. The Cats have lost when Travis Green started. Fact.
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a real John Lynch type
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The defense as a whole played pretty like crap against OU. I don't get why we didn't play Barnett on Burns' side to help with Shepherd. Burns is just ok, but Shepherd ran circles around him. McDaniel is our best corner, but it doesn't look like we change the sides our corners are on - much like the Seahawks do. It's our extremely conservative defensive scheme that makes the corners look worse than they are. We play soft coverage off the line, and maintain outside position. That allows the receiver to get inside for slants or posts at will. We rely on LBs and Safeties to take those away. It works great for teams who will make mistakes, like Tech, but it gets torn up if we don't get pressure, and our DEs have sucked this year.
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The defense as a whole played pretty like crap against OU. I don't get why we didn't play Barnett on Burns' side to help with Shepherd. Burns is just ok, but Shepherd ran circles around him. McDaniel is our best corner, but it doesn't look like we change the sides our corners are on - much like the Seahawks do. It's our extremely conservative defensive scheme that makes the corners look worse than they are. We play soft coverage off the line, and maintain outside position. That allows the receiver to get inside for slants or posts at will. We rely on LBs and Safeties to take those away. It works great for teams who will make mistakes, like Tech, but it gets torn up if we don't get pressure, and our DEs have sucked this year.
We had to defend against what could be the best power run game in the conference and an All-American caliber receiver with Schelly providing help coverage on him most of the time.
We gave up yards because we wanted to do our best to not get beat deep. The plan, as it usually is against really good offenses we play, is to make our stand when the field gets a lot shorter, and it's easier to defend.
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The defense as a whole played pretty like crap against OU. I don't get why we didn't play Barnett on Burns' side to help with Shepherd. Burns is just ok, but Shepherd ran circles around him. McDaniel is our best corner, but it doesn't look like we change the sides our corners are on - much like the Seahawks do. It's our extremely conservative defensive scheme that makes the corners look worse than they are. We play soft coverage off the line, and maintain outside position. That allows the receiver to get inside for slants or posts at will. We rely on LBs and Safeties to take those away. It works great for teams who will make mistakes, like Tech, but it gets torn up if we don't get pressure, and our DEs have sucked this year.
We had to defend against what could be the best power run game in the conference and an All-American caliber receiver with Schelly providing help coverage on him most of the time.
We gave up yards because we wanted to do our best to not get beat deep. The plan, as it usually is against really good offenses we play, is to make our stand when the field gets a lot shorter, and it's easier to defend.
Well, we did get beat deep.
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Our D as a whole sucked..
no rush from the front 4......check
corners playing 10-15 yds off the ball allowing quick stuff.....check
corners and safeties getting burned deep......check
Truman making all the tackles.....nuff said
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OU was putting great stress on our corners and safeties. They kept running play action forcing our safeties and corners to make reads and defend Shephard. I don't think our defense played bad and it was obvious who they were attacking.
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The defense as a whole played pretty like crap against OU. I don't get why we didn't play Barnett on Burns' side to help with Shepherd. Burns is just ok, but Shepherd ran circles around him. McDaniel is our best corner, but it doesn't look like we change the sides our corners are on - much like the Seahawks do. It's our extremely conservative defensive scheme that makes the corners look worse than they are. We play soft coverage off the line, and maintain outside position. That allows the receiver to get inside for slants or posts at will. We rely on LBs and Safeties to take those away. It works great for teams who will make mistakes, like Tech, but it gets torn up if we don't get pressure, and our DEs have sucked this year.
We had to defend against what could be the best power run game in the conference and an All-American caliber receiver with Schelly providing help coverage on him most of the time.
We gave up yards because we wanted to do our best to not get beat deep. The plan, as it usually is against really good offenses we play, is to make our stand when the field gets a lot shorter, and it's easier to defend.
Well, we did get beat deep.
There was only one OU pass play for over 30 yards, and it was where Schelly bit on a PA pass and left Burns on an island against Shepard.
Otherwise, the vast majority of what OU did was underneath. Shepard had 4-5 overall catches for over 20 yards. Bell had one. Quick had one. Otherwise, we focused on shutting them down in the red zone.
OU had 8 scoring opportunities (inside our 40), and they averaged 3.75 points per opportunity. That's exactly what our game plan was and had to be given the fact that we had to defend both Perine/Ross/Knight and Shepard. We had to put a lot of pressure on Schelly to make the right read to defend the run or support the pass, and he obviously struggled. But that weakness was minimized when we got them inside our 40 and let our DL and LB's had more control of what happened.
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There was only one OU pass play for over 30 yards, and it was where Schelly bit on a PA pass and left Burns on an island against Shepard.
Otherwise, the vast majority of what OU did was underneath. Shepard had 4-5 overall catches for over 20 yards. Bell had one. Quick had one. Otherwise, we focused on shutting them down in the red zone.
OU had 8 scoring opportunities (inside our 40), and they averaged 3.75 points per opportunity. That's exactly what our game plan was and had to be given the fact that we had to defend both Perine/Ross/Knight and Shepard. We had to put a lot of pressure on Schelly to make the right read to defend the run or support the pass, and he obviously struggled. But that weakness was minimized when we got them inside our 40 and let our DL and LB's had more control of what happened.
Yes, OU had a bunch of yards (533) and high yards per play (6.83), but they "only" scored 30 points on 78 plays. So we held them to .38 points per play, which was their worst PPP of the season so far. It was pretty much the ideal "bend but don't break performance" from our defense.
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He didn't suck at all yesterday. He also wasn't terrible against Texas. This might be Bill's finest turd polishing yet.
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Shelly had a good play on the hail mary, but it was because the rest of the get fresh crew in our secondary played that ball terribly. And Shelly's play on the opening drive (as well as Truman's) was atrocious. There was a pass breakup that Shelly had where if it had been Travis Green, it would have been picked off. I'll be curious to see how Shelly (and Truman) do against TCU's offense. To be fair, Dakorey had a terrible read in coverage that should have resulted in a big OSU play, but they are so rough ridin' terrible the TE dropped the pass and he didn't get the right fits on a few plays too. Davis is painful to watch. Burns has gotten better as the season has gotten along, it's not automatic that if you need a 12yd slant you just throw it Burns' way. That title falls to Nate Jackson now.
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He didn't suck at all yesterday. He also wasn't terrible against Texas. This might be Bill's finest turd polishing yet.
Texas is 9th in the Big 12 in total offense and OSU is 7th. Swoopes and Garman are both terrible as well.
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He didn't suck at all yesterday. He also wasn't terrible against Texas. This might be Bill's finest turd polishing yet.
Texas is 9th in the Big 12 in total offense and OSU is 7th. Swoopes and Garman are both terrible as well.
That doesn't matter at all. I saw Shelley get used up and down the field by SFA and Iowa State. Gundy would have destroyed that Shelley.
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Everyone realizes that we have all our work out in front of us, right? we've faced 1 of the top 4 offenses in the big 12. another way to look at it (through 10/25).....
the opp's in conf that we have faced so far, avg conf scoring = 28.0
the opp's in conf we still have yet to face, avg conf scoring = 36.3 (this includes KU, excluding KU, 43.9)
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Shelly had a good play on the hail mary, but it was because the rest of the get fresh crew in our secondary played that ball terribly. And Shelly's play on the opening drive (as well as Truman's) was atrocious. There was a pass breakup that Shelly had where if it had been Travis Green, it would have been picked off. I'll be curious to see how Shelly (and Truman) do against TCU's offense. To be fair, Dakorey had a terrible read in coverage that should have resulted in a big OSU play, but they are so rough ridin' terrible the TE dropped the pass and he didn't get the right fits on a few plays too. Davis is painful to watch. Burns has gotten better as the season has gotten along, it's not automatic that if you need a 12yd slant you just throw it Burns' way. That title falls to Nate Jackson now.
In Truman's defense, OSU schemed the first drive to basically spread us out and get Hill one on one with him.
There aren't many linebackers that can go against Hill and not look bad.
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Shelly had a good play on the hail mary, but it was because the rest of the get fresh crew in our secondary played that ball terribly. And Shelly's play on the opening drive (as well as Truman's) was atrocious. There was a pass breakup that Shelly had where if it had been Travis Green, it would have been picked off. I'll be curious to see how Shelly (and Truman) do against TCU's offense. To be fair, Dakorey had a terrible read in coverage that should have resulted in a big OSU play, but they are so rough ridin' terrible the TE dropped the pass and he didn't get the right fits on a few plays too. Davis is painful to watch. Burns has gotten better as the season has gotten along, it's not automatic that if you need a 12yd slant you just throw it Burns' way. That title falls to Nate Jackson now.
In Truman's defense, OSU schemed the first drive to basically spread us out and get Hill one on one with him.
There aren't many linebackers that can go against Hill and not look bad.
It's like OSU saw what they did on the first drive and after that said, "well, crap, that worked really well, now let's try something new" so they went to running Hill up the middle and not trying to match him up against safeties or LB's until right before the end of the half. I know he tweaked his ankle, so maybe that was it.
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Shelly had a good play on the hail mary, but it was because the rest of the get fresh crew in our secondary played that ball terribly. And Shelly's play on the opening drive (as well as Truman's) was atrocious. There was a pass breakup that Shelly had where if it had been Travis Green, it would have been picked off. I'll be curious to see how Shelly (and Truman) do against TCU's offense. To be fair, Dakorey had a terrible read in coverage that should have resulted in a big OSU play, but they are so rough ridin' terrible the TE dropped the pass and he didn't get the right fits on a few plays too. Davis is painful to watch. Burns has gotten better as the season has gotten along, it's not automatic that if you need a 12yd slant you just throw it Burns' way. That title falls to Nate Jackson now.
In Truman's defense, OSU schemed the first drive to basically spread us out and get Hill one on one with him.
There aren't many linebackers that can go against Hill and not look bad.
It's like OSU saw what they did on the first drive and after that said, "well, crap, that worked really well, now let's try something new" so they went to running Hill up the middle and not trying to match him up against safeties or LB's until right before the end of the half. I know he tweaked his ankle, so maybe that was it.
I think it was part injury and part the fact that, eventually, their OL was going to break like a leaky dyke, and what they were doing had a shelf life. Eventually, we were going to adjust, and then there would be nothing that would work.
We had four sacks. We don't get four sacks unless you really have a shitty OL.
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Shelly had a good play on the hail mary, but it was because the rest of the get fresh crew in our secondary played that ball terribly. And Shelly's play on the opening drive (as well as Truman's) was atrocious. There was a pass breakup that Shelly had where if it had been Travis Green, it would have been picked off. I'll be curious to see how Shelly (and Truman) do against TCU's offense. To be fair, Dakorey had a terrible read in coverage that should have resulted in a big OSU play, but they are so rough ridin' terrible the TE dropped the pass and he didn't get the right fits on a few plays too. Davis is painful to watch. Burns has gotten better as the season has gotten along, it's not automatic that if you need a 12yd slant you just throw it Burns' way. That title falls to Nate Jackson now.
In Truman's defense, OSU schemed the first drive to basically spread us out and get Hill one on one with him.
There aren't many linebackers that can go against Hill and not look bad.
It's like OSU saw what they did on the first drive and after that said, "well, crap, that worked really well, now let's try something new" so they went to running Hill up the middle and not trying to match him up against safeties or LB's until right before the end of the half. I know he tweaked his ankle, so maybe that was it.
I'm pretty sure we made some adjustments too. After the game several of our guys said they came out with some things we hadn't seen before on film and after we adjusted to that we were fine.
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Shelly had a good play on the hail mary, but it was because the rest of the get fresh crew in our secondary played that ball terribly. And Shelly's play on the opening drive (as well as Truman's) was atrocious. There was a pass breakup that Shelly had where if it had been Travis Green, it would have been picked off. I'll be curious to see how Shelly (and Truman) do against TCU's offense. To be fair, Dakorey had a terrible read in coverage that should have resulted in a big OSU play, but they are so rough ridin' terrible the TE dropped the pass and he didn't get the right fits on a few plays too. Davis is painful to watch. Burns has gotten better as the season has gotten along, it's not automatic that if you need a 12yd slant you just throw it Burns' way. That title falls to Nate Jackson now.
In Truman's defense, OSU schemed the first drive to basically spread us out and get Hill one on one with him.
There aren't many linebackers that can go against Hill and not look bad.
It's like OSU saw what they did on the first drive and after that said, "well, crap, that worked really well, now let's try something new" so they went to running Hill up the middle and not trying to match him up against safeties or LB's until right before the end of the half. I know he tweaked his ankle, so maybe that was it.
I'm pretty sure we made some adjustments too. After the game several of our guys said they came out with some things we hadn't seen before on film and after we adjusted to that we were fine.
i'm sure we did, but osu for some reason began to run between the tackles after that first drive, instead of getting Hill on the edge/outside. It was weird to me. Maybe we set the edge better and/or his ankle injury slowed him? I dunno. They also tend to throw to him out of the backfield more than they did last night.
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Shelly had a good play on the hail mary, but it was because the rest of the get fresh crew in our secondary played that ball terribly. And Shelly's play on the opening drive (as well as Truman's) was atrocious. There was a pass breakup that Shelly had where if it had been Travis Green, it would have been picked off. I'll be curious to see how Shelly (and Truman) do against TCU's offense. To be fair, Dakorey had a terrible read in coverage that should have resulted in a big OSU play, but they are so rough ridin' terrible the TE dropped the pass and he didn't get the right fits on a few plays too. Davis is painful to watch. Burns has gotten better as the season has gotten along, it's not automatic that if you need a 12yd slant you just throw it Burns' way. That title falls to Nate Jackson now.
:facepalm: