goemaw.com
General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: bubbles4ksu on June 11, 2014, 03:44:46 PM
-
Iraq is doin' real bad. (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/06/11/iraq_war_iii_has_now_begun_mosul_isis_takeover?wp_login_redirect=0) :frown:
this is probably a pretty big deal for national security and stuff. let's politicize it!
-
Virus
-
that website is wretched
-
Iraq is so mumped. It's about to be worse than it ever was, and a full nation under AQ control.
-
Iraq is so mumped. It's about to be worse than it ever was, and a full nation under AQ control.
How hard do you think AQ guys laugh about this and how it came about? I bet a lot.
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcitizenbrand.typepad.com%2F.a%2F6a00d8341c728253ef0120a772f33a970b-800wi&hash=f9c5f72a204032109275d26863e3f818e4c49119)
-
AOFPF (Another Obama Foreign Policy Failure)
-
that website is wretched
eff off.
-
Libs always tell me AQ has never been in Iraq, so it's amazing AQ was able to capture the second largest city so swiftly
-
Libs always tell me AQ has never been in Iraq, so it's amazing AQ was able to capture the second largest city so swiftly
"Mission Accomplished"
-
Good thing ol' GWB opened up all that federal land for oil leases 6 years ago, or gas prices will be going through the roof and kill what little economy we have left.
-
At current pace the Obama Administration Foreign Policy Achievements are going to be a "War and Piece" sized novel of failure, or one of the shortest reads in history for an 8 year Presidential Administration.
-
Iraq is doin' real bad. (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/06/11/iraq_war_iii_has_now_begun_mosul_isis_takeover?wp_login_redirect=0) :frown:
this is probably a pretty big deal for national security and stuff. let's politicize it!
LOL at how this thread progressed after reading the op.
-
No way, an enclave for ISIS in Syria? I wonder which administration facilitated the weakening of the Syrian regime to allow this to occur or at least grow . . . substantially?
-
You gotta admit, this administration is a thrill ride. One minute it's Hellfire missiles into mud huts, the next it's Bowling for Al Queda.
Never a dull moment.
-
Brad tweeted an article about Iran sending support and elite troops to aid the Iraqi govt forces. What an interesting, fascinating, and troubling new wrinkle.
-
I'm more disturbed at ISIS's apparent enterprise deal with Toyota.
[attachment deleted by admin]
-
How many recalls? I bet toyoda is undermining their soon to be govt through risky transportation. I mean, look what is happening in Egypt, that place....sheesh.
-
Pretty sure that's the highway from Syria to iraq. The ME is a rough ridin' disaster and Obama ' s incoherent foreign policy is a big reason why. :smh:
-
Toppling Saddam was certainly a mistake in hindsight, but to be to fair to GWB, he never anticipated what a complete hapless weakling would take his place as CiC. Obama is strongly considering deploying a twitter hashtag and dower expression.
Seriously, probably gas up the cars today...
-
Toppling Saddam was certainly a mistake in hindsight, but to be to fair to GWB, he never anticipated what a complete hapless weakling would take his place as CiC. Obama is strongly considering deploying a twitter hashtag and dower expression.
Seriously, probably gas up the cars today...
:D
-
#slightlyDisappointedInIraq
#ShameOnAQ
-
Agreed, we should have anticipated a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) neophyte would take office after W and just let Saddam continue murdering his own people.
Telegraphing exactly when we'd leave Iraq was also brilliant. You've had an election? Great, govt installed, piece out. Like picking someone up at Betty Ford and dropping them off in at a crack house.
-
We did such an awesome job in Iraq and Afghanistan I can't wait to get into Syria and really start democratizing the crap out of them.
-
I'm more disturbed at ISIS's apparent enterprise deal with Toyota.
How is it that there's a massive convoy of terrorists just cruising down the highway in broad daylight? How have we not already droned the crap out of these fuckers? How is it that Obama never gets ahead of this crap? Did he put Biden in charge of the briefings?
#ItsBushsFault
#ViolenceSolvesNothing
#LetsMakeATrade
-
Agreed, we should have anticipated a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) neophyte would take office after W and just let Saddam continue murdering his own people.
Telegraphing exactly when we'd leave Iraq was also brilliant. You've had an election? Great, govt installed, piece out. Like picking someone up at Betty Ford and dropping them off in at a crack house.
Maybe more like putting them up in a neighborhood full of crack houses and letting them know that we wouldn't be checking up on them at all.
-
Can you guys imagine the backlash if those trucks were GM? Oh man! Government Motors!
-
let's call an end to the war on terror. we lost, bfd, we've lost before. i'm good with letting this run it's course until it gets to a point where congress is ready to declare war, not some shitty and vague "authorization of military force."
-
Toppling Saddam was certainly a mistake in hindsight, but to be to fair to GWB, he never anticipated what a complete hapless weakling would take his place as CiC. Obama is strongly considering deploying a twitter hashtag and dower expression.
Seriously, probably gas up the cars today...
ya think?
-
he tried to kill bush sr. We had to get him.
-
he tried to kill bush sr. We had to get him.
could have droned him instead of destabilizing the entire region
-
he tried to kill bush sr. We had to get him.
could have droned him instead of destabilizing the entire region
no more droning without a declaration of war. this is getting ridiculous.
-
he tried to kill bush sr. We had to get him.
could have droned him instead of destabilizing the entire region
I thought that was against policy? Like, assassinations.
-
he tried to kill bush sr. We had to get him.
could have droned him instead of destabilizing the entire region
I thought that was against policy? Like, assassinations.
beats the full scale invasion of a ME country.
-
he tried to kill bush sr. We had to get him.
could have droned him instead of destabilizing the entire region
I thought that was against policy? Like, assassinations.
beats the full scale invasion of a ME country.
Oh I agree, I just think it was a mission constraint. Probably wouldn't have stopped this administration, though.
-
Can you guys imagine the backlash if those trucks were GM? Oh man! Government Motors!
FWIW, if they were GMs and a similar year as those toyotas pictured, we'd be able to shut them down via onStar.
-
he tried to kill bush sr. We had to get him.
could have droned him instead of destabilizing the entire region
To this day the Britons regret embarking on a boots on the ground military campaign attempting to quash the Colonials' revolution, when all they had to do was drone GW.
-
Can you guys imagine the backlash if those trucks were GM? Oh man! Government Motors!
FWIW, if they were GMs and a similar year as those toyotas pictured, we'd be able to shut them down via onStar.
Guys, did SPEmaw just Edward Snowden himself here? Enjoy Russia, bro.
-
Can you guys imagine the backlash if those trucks were GM? Oh man! Government Motors!
FWIW, if they were GMs and a similar year as those toyotas pictured, we'd be able to shut them down via onStar.
Guys, did SPEmaw just Edward Snowden himself here? Enjoy Russia, bro.
I acquired that knowledge by watching a GM commercial at some point during the past, I don't know, 10 years? :dunno:
-
Can you guys imagine the backlash if those trucks were GM? Oh man! Government Motors!
FWIW, if they were GMs and a similar year as those toyotas pictured, we'd be able to shut them down via onStar.
Guys, did SPEmaw just Edward Snowden himself here? Enjoy Russia, bro.
I acquired that knowledge by watching a GM commercial at some point during the past, I don't know, 10 years? :dunno:
Tell it to the NSA, traitor.
-
he tried to kill bush sr. We had to get him.
could have droned him instead of destabilizing the entire region
To this day the Britons regret embarking on a boots on the ground military campaign attempting to quash the Colonials' revolution, when all they had to do was drone GW.
no they don't dumbass
-
Yeah, I think Britain's pretty much OK with being out of the colonial game.
-
Can you guys imagine the backlash if those trucks were GM? Oh man! Government Motors!
FWIW, if they were GMs and a similar year as those toyotas pictured, we'd be able to shut them down via onStar.
Guys, did SPEmaw just Edward Snowden himself here? Enjoy Russia, bro.
I acquired that knowledge by watching a GM commercial at some point during the past, I don't know, 10 years? :dunno:
Tell it to the NSA, traitor American hero.
FYP
-
I'm more disturbed at ISIS's apparent enterprise deal with Toyota.
What's the NHTSA safety rating on Hellfire impact Felix?
-
Yeah, I think Britain's pretty much OK with being out of the colonial game.
Kinda
-
Yeah, I think Britain's pretty much OK with being out of the colonial game.
didn't they just let go of Hong Kong, like, ten years ago or something? :lol:
-
Yeah, I think Britain's pretty much OK with being out of the colonial game.
didn't they just let go of Hong Kong, like, ten years ago or something? :lol:
And they didn't even lose a war!
-
Yeah, I think Britain's pretty much OK with being out of the colonial game.
didn't they just let go of Hong Kong, like, ten years ago or something? :lol:
And they didn't even lose a war!
And they spawned an adorable movie!
-
Pretty sure that's the highway from Syria to iraq. The ME is a rough ridin' disaster and Obama ' s incoherent foreign policy is a big reason why. :smh:
PRETTY SURE!
-
I have to admit, Felix is the master of deflection and redirection. Very Obama Administrationesque
I guess if they're going to fail at Balkanizaing Syria, they're going to give it the ol' college try in Iraq.
For the rest of the thread, we need to come up with the peggy's and nancy's of an Iraq that is going to be broken up into relatively well defined geographic piece parts that's an extension of the defined religious divisions. I'm talking about things like guarded inter-regional crossings and defense lines etc. etc. of a defined nature.
Who can we do business with? Well, for starters I think the Kurds are solidifying their position. So that's probably a decent start.
-
I have to admit, Felix is the master of deflection and redirection. Very Obama Administrationesque
I guess if they're going to fail at Balkanizaing Syria, they're going to give it the ol' college try in Iraq.
For the rest of the thread, we need to come up with the peggy's and nancy's of an Iraq that is going to be broken up into relatively well defined geographic piece parts that's an extension of the defined religious divisions. I'm talking about things like guarded inter-regional crossings and defense lines etc. etc. of a defined nature.
Who can we do business with? Well, for starters I think the Kurds are solidifying their position. So that's probably a decent start.
Well put. The Kurds still control most of the oil production but I read that ISIS took over a 300,000 barrell/day field this week. That will fund their operations for an awful long time. Meanwhile, the boatloads of cash they've looted from banks as they've plowed through western Iraq will allow them to pay off any opposition. Weapons? I think Russia has that covered, right? :dunno:
-
I think the moral of the story here is that we're better off propping up evil dictators.
That seemed like a good strategy in hindsight.
-
I have to admit, Felix is the master of deflection and redirection. Very Obama Administrationesque
I guess if they're going to fail at Balkanizaing Syria, they're going to give it the ol' college try in Iraq.
For the rest of the thread, we need to come up with the peggy's and nancy's of an Iraq that is going to be broken up into relatively well defined geographic piece parts that's an extension of the defined religious divisions. I'm talking about things like guarded inter-regional crossings and defense lines etc. etc. of a defined nature.
Who can we do business with? Well, for starters I think the Kurds are solidifying their position. So that's probably a decent start.
Because history started when the British Empire drew up the Middle East? I mean what a claim! It stands as a proud monument of ignorance to all of history, ancient and recent.
-
I have to admit, Felix is the master of deflection and redirection. Very Obama Administrationesque
I guess if they're going to fail at Balkanizaing Syria, they're going to give it the ol' college try in Iraq.
For the rest of the thread, we need to come up with the peggy's and nancy's of an Iraq that is going to be broken up into relatively well defined geographic piece parts that's an extension of the defined religious divisions. I'm talking about things like guarded inter-regional crossings and defense lines etc. etc. of a defined nature.
Who can we do business with? Well, for starters I think the Kurds are solidifying their position. So that's probably a decent start.
Well put. The Kurds still control most of the oil production but I read that ISIS took over a 300,000 barrell/day field this week. That will fund their operations for an awful long time. Meanwhile, the boatloads of cash they've looted from banks as they've plowed through western Iraq will allow them to pay off any opposition. Weapons? I think Russia has that covered, right? :dunno:
On weapons, well, they've captured many that we supplied the Iraqi military. I bet if some of those ISIS legacy Ak's could talk, they'd tell you all about how they got their via CIA Arms Traders Inc. and various sub-corporations. Like I said in this day an age; one day it's Hellfire Missiles into mud huts in Pakistan, the next day it's recruiting Al Queda elements in Libya for the war in Syria, you just never know.
As an aside great piece in FP today about how the $50 billion dollar U.S. Intelligence Machine got "blindsided" on this whole ISIS deal (Sure they did).
The Kurds need to avoid ruffling Turkey.
-
I have to admit, Felix is the master of deflection and redirection. Very Obama Administrationesque
I guess if they're going to fail at Balkanizaing Syria, they're going to give it the ol' college try in Iraq.
For the rest of the thread, we need to come up with the peggy's and nancy's of an Iraq that is going to be broken up into relatively well defined geographic piece parts that's an extension of the defined religious divisions. I'm talking about things like guarded inter-regional crossings and defense lines etc. etc. of a defined nature.
Who can we do business with? Well, for starters I think the Kurds are solidifying their position. So that's probably a decent start.
Because history started when the British Empire drew up the Middle East? I mean what a claim! It stands as a proud monument of ignorance to all of history, ancient and recent.
Sorry that's so upsetting to you KK, but the Modern Day White Paper for such action was drawn up in Yugoslavia back in the 90's. The only question on this, does the U.S. and the Western powers actually thrive in the Chaos? A situation that solidifies a forever U.S. military presence? A perpetual state of weakening insuring Iraq will never become a regional power again?
-
i'm disappointed that dax doesn't support the iraqi second amendment
-
i'm disappointed that dax doesn't support the iraqi second amendment
What's that got to do with anything?
-
I have to admit, Felix is the master of deflection and redirection. Very Obama Administrationesque
I guess if they're going to fail at Balkanizaing Syria, they're going to give it the ol' college try in Iraq.
For the rest of the thread, we need to come up with the peggy's and nancy's of an Iraq that is going to be broken up into relatively well defined geographic piece parts that's an extension of the defined religious divisions. I'm talking about things like guarded inter-regional crossings and defense lines etc. etc. of a defined nature.
Who can we do business with? Well, for starters I think the Kurds are solidifying their position. So that's probably a decent start.
Because history started when the British Empire drew up the Middle East? I mean what a claim! It stands as a proud monument of ignorance to all of history, ancient and recent.
Sorry that's so upsetting to you KK, but the Modern Day White Paper for such action was drawn up in Yugoslavia back in the 90's. The only question on this, does the U.S. and the Western powers actually thrive in the Chaos? A situation that solidifies a forever U.S. military presence? A perpetual state of weakening insuring Iraq will never become a regional power again?
Iraq has always been a fictions state. It was precisely created to destabilize the country and necessitate a strong central leader to rule over the divided ethnic groups. Its natural state is not as a country drawn up by the British in 1920. It is completely ahistorical to assert that is the best thing for its people. You don't need to be Woodrow Wilson to realize this.
Your obsession with NATO ousting the war criminal Slobodan Milosovich is weird.
-
I have to admit, Felix is the master of deflection and redirection. Very Obama Administrationesque
I guess if they're going to fail at Balkanizaing Syria, they're going to give it the ol' college try in Iraq.
For the rest of the thread, we need to come up with the peggy's and nancy's of an Iraq that is going to be broken up into relatively well defined geographic piece parts that's an extension of the defined religious divisions. I'm talking about things like guarded inter-regional crossings and defense lines etc. etc. of a defined nature.
Who can we do business with? Well, for starters I think the Kurds are solidifying their position. So that's probably a decent start.
Because history started when the British Empire drew up the Middle East? I mean what a claim! It stands as a proud monument of ignorance to all of history, ancient and recent.
Sorry that's so upsetting to you KK, but the Modern Day White Paper for such action was drawn up in Yugoslavia back in the 90's. The only question on this, does the U.S. and the Western powers actually thrive in the Chaos? A situation that solidifies a forever U.S. military presence? A perpetual state of weakening insuring Iraq will never become a regional power again?
Iraq has always been a fictions state. It was precisely created to destabilize the country and necessitate a strong central leader to rule over the divided ethnic groups. Its natural state is not as a country drawn up by the British in 1920. It is completely ahistorical to assert that is the best thing for its people. You don't need to be Woodrow Wilson to realize this.
Your obsession with NATO ousting the war criminal Slobodan Milosovich is weird.
But the whole central leader concept has been turned completely on its ear KK, just as it was in Yugoslavia. I guess I don't get the point, you're talking indigenous people throwing stones, I'm talking Super Powers and regional powers with tanks, missiles and nuclear ambitions.
It's not a weird obsession, the only thing separates Yugoslavia from Iraq is the initial timing of the "boots on the ground" phase. We supported entities that were every bit as bad if not more so than Slovo was and we green lighted radical Islam in the region in the name of toppling a Russian-centric leadership and country. With piece parts of said former Yugoslavian Republic not aligned with . . . NATO. The hatred of between the various parties in the former Yugoslavia ran back hundreds of years in history . . . but that didn't stop the Clinton Administration and NATO from conjuring up their need to get involved.
-
What are you arguing for, dax?
-
What are you arguing for, dax?
I'm not arguing for anything. I'm just looking for who we can do business with, once all the dust settles.
Thoughts cRusty?
-
I think we should let the dust settle (which may never happen).
-
I think we should let the dust settle (which may never happen).
Sure, I think this administration prefers the chaos dynamic? Roll the dice, keep stirring the pot and hoping they just keep fighting each other, find the right parties to do business with, hope there's no blow back. Send in the drones from time-to-time if somebody gets too nutty.
-
I don't think we should be stirring the pot or sending drones
-
I don't think we should be stirring the pot or sending drones
Well if such things cause you disappointment, you should be disapponted and prepared for more disappointment.
Libya, Syria and now Iraq tells me it's calculated engagement/disengagement to sow chaos, destabilization, and decentralization of power and thus no more geo-strategic thinking by these countries as a somewhat unified body. So far they're 2 out of 3. Western Oil companies have already made friends with the Kurds, so if that stays stable, they'll let the rest fight amongst themselves.
-
I don't think we should be stirring the pot or sending drones
Well if such things cause you disappointment, you should be disapponted and prepared for more disappointment.
Libya, Syria and now Iraq tells me it's calculated engagement/disengagement to sow chaos, destabilization, and decentralization of power and thus no more geo-strategic thinking by these countries as a somewhat unified body. So far they're 2 out of 3. Western Oil companies have already made friends with the Kurds, so if that stays stable, they'll let the rest fight amongst themselves.
how do you rationalize your Big Science story in the climate change thread with your Big Oil-colored lenses? serious question, not merely trying to point out that you hold diametrically opposing views.
-
I think the moral of the story here is that we're better off propping up evil dictators.
That seemed like a good strategy in hindsight.
So true. There will never be peace in tribal societies until a ruthless ruler comes along. Assad, Gaddafi, Saddam, Mubarak all kept a relative peace and we've kicked them all out.
-
I think the moral of the story here is that we're better off propping up evil dictators.
That seemed like a good strategy in hindsight.
So true. There will never be peace in tribal societies until a ruthless ruler comes along. Assad, Gaddafi, Saddam, Mubarak all kept a relative peace and we've kicked them all out.
Assad?
-
I think the moral of the story here is that we're better off propping up evil dictators.
That seemed like a good strategy in hindsight.
So true. There will never be peace in tribal societies until a ruthless ruler comes along. Assad, Gaddafi, Saddam, Mubarak all kept a relative peace and we've kicked them all out.
Assad?
We're working on it.
-
I don't think we should be stirring the pot or sending drones
Well if such things cause you disappointment, you should be disapponted and prepared for more disappointment.
Libya, Syria and now Iraq tells me it's calculated engagement/disengagement to sow chaos, destabilization, and decentralization of power and thus no more geo-strategic thinking by these countries as a somewhat unified body. So far they're 2 out of 3. Western Oil companies have already made friends with the Kurds, so if that stays stable, they'll let the rest fight amongst themselves.
What do you think we should be doing in Iraq and the Middle East in general?
-
I don't think we should be stirring the pot or sending drones
Well if such things cause you disappointment, you should be disapponted and prepared for more disappointment.
Libya, Syria and now Iraq tells me it's calculated engagement/disengagement to sow chaos, destabilization, and decentralization of power and thus no more geo-strategic thinking by these countries as a somewhat unified body. So far they're 2 out of 3. Western Oil companies have already made friends with the Kurds, so if that stays stable, they'll let the rest fight amongst themselves.
how do you rationalize your Big Science story in the climate change thread with your Big Oil-colored lenses? serious question, not merely trying to point out that you hold diametrically opposing views.
WTF are you talking about? Did I ever say oil doesn't make the world go round? I just don't get you bro, you're one obsessed Mother Effer.
-
I think the moral of the story here is that we're better off propping up evil dictators.
That seemed like a good strategy in hindsight.
So true. There will never be peace in tribal societies until a ruthless ruler comes along. Assad, Gaddafi, Saddam, Mubarak all kept a relative peace and we've kicked them all out.
Assad?
We're working on it.
Hey kids, we still prop up dictatorships and theocracies.
-
Dax seems to be a believer in the "Greater Middle East" conspiracy. It's very popular in the Egyptian press, too. They also cite the same litany of countries, arguing that the US is systematically targeting the strongest Arab armies to destabilize and eventually Balkanize the region, with only Sisi saving Egypt by kicking out our MB co-conspirators.
-
Dax seems to be a believer in the "Greater Middle East" conspiracy. It's very popular in the Egyptian press, too. They also cite the same litany of countries, arguing that the US is systematically targeting the strongest Arab armies to destabilize and eventually Balkanize the region, with only Sisi saving Egypt by kicking out our MB co-conspirators.
Why did the U.S. overthrow Qadaffi? Look at the mess that was left behind. Hell, ol' Mo was trying to fight AQ. What, Mo wasn't our kind of dictatorial pervert?
Why does the U.S. want to overthrow Assad? Everyone know's it will a massive bloodbath in Syria if that happens.
-
Look, Dax. We have photogenic Kurdish peshmerga posing for cameras. Did you know their name means "those who confront death"? Do you realize how well that plays in the press? Frankly, I can't imagine what else you expect us to do.
[attachment deleted by admin]
-
I think the moral of the story here is that we're better off propping up evil dictators.
That seemed like a good strategy in hindsight.
Sadam didn't need much propping. GW ousted him leading to this
-
Look, Dax. We have photogenic Kurdish peshmerga posing for cameras. Did you know their name means "those who confront death"? Do you realize how well that plays in the press? Frankly, I can't imagine what else you expect us to do.
Peshmerga are confirmed studs/studettes.
-
Would make a great trivia team name
-
Look, Dax. We have photogenic Kurdish peshmerga posing for cameras. Did you know their name means "those who confront death"? Do you realize how well that plays in the press? Frankly, I can't imagine what else you expect us to do.
Peshmerga are confirmed studs/studettes.
Did you see the "fathers" units? All the old men gearing up and heading to war. The world sees a eff up, but the Kurds see an opportunity.
-
Ousting evil dictators and boots on the ground are at least debatable. But when a pack of islamofundamentalist terrorists goes parading down the highway in broad daylight, we should vaporize them. Whenever, wherever. That's not even a tough call. What the eff is Our Dear Weakling waiting for? I thought we could at least count on him for drone strikes.
-
Ousting evil dictators and boots on the ground are at least debatable. But when a pack of islamofundamentalist terrorists goes parading down the highway in broad daylight, we should vaporize them. Whenever, wherever. That's not even a tough call. What the eff is Our Dear Weakling waiting for? I thought we could at least count on him for drone strikes.
Sadam would have never let this happen
-
ODW is a new and awesome one
-
Look, Dax. We have photogenic Kurdish peshmerga posing for cameras. Did you know their name means "those who confront death"? Do you realize how well that plays in the press? Frankly, I can't imagine what else you expect us to do.
Okay. Excellent deflection.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
http://online.wsj.com/articles/for-americans-a-world-of-disappointment-1402704752
-
:impatient:
Ousting evil dictators and boots on the ground are at least debatable. But when a pack of islamofundamentalist terrorists goes parading down the highway in broad daylight, we should vaporize them. Whenever, wherever. That's not even a tough call. What the eff is Our Dear Weakling waiting for? I thought we could at least count on him for drone strikes.
What if they were Kurds?
-
I think the moral of the story here is that we're better off propping up evil dictators.
That seemed like a good strategy in hindsight.
Sadam didn't need much propping. GW ousted him leading to this
Ousting Saddam was humanitarian, though.
-
he tried to kill bush sr. We had to get him.
could have droned him instead of destabilizing the entire region
To this day the Britons regret embarking on a boots on the ground military campaign attempting to quash the Colonials' revolution, when all they had to do was drone GW.
no they don't dumbass
You missed the joke, dumbass.
-
he tried to kill bush sr. We had to get him.
could have droned him instead of destabilizing the entire region
To this day the Britons regret embarking on a boots on the ground military campaign attempting to quash the Colonials' revolution, when all they had to do was drone GW.
no they don't dumbass
You missed the joke, dumbass.
3 days and it still went over your head. yikes
-
This is what crazy old man McCain was talking about in 2008 when he said we may need to keep troops stationed in Iraq for many years to come.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2014%2F06%2F15%2F1402868323340_wps_4_An_image_uploaded_on_June.jpg&hash=e099df54186b9cbd6a39ec62c64c45267ed396c2)
-
Didn't the U.S. send troops back into Iraq to help secure the Syrian border because of all the death and destruction this administration and its proxies were causing in Syria?
If so, what happened to those guys/gals?
-
This is what crazy old man McCain was talking about in 2008 when he said we may need to keep troops stationed in Iraq for many years to come.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2014%2F06%2F15%2F1402868323340_wps_4_An_image_uploaded_on_June.jpg&hash=e099df54186b9cbd6a39ec62c64c45267ed396c2)
That Time John McCain Gave Bush Credit For Troops Leaving Iraq In 2010 http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/time-john-mccain-gave-bush-credit-troops (http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/time-john-mccain-gave-bush-credit-troops)
I guess he changed his mind when he wanted to kiss Bush's ass. By the way, Iraq told us to leave and we did.
-
This is what crazy old man McCain was talking about in 2008 when he said we may need to keep troops stationed in Iraq for many years to come.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2014%2F06%2F15%2F1402868323340_wps_4_An_image_uploaded_on_June.jpg&hash=e099df54186b9cbd6a39ec62c64c45267ed396c2)
Looks like country in need of humanitarian support
-
This is what crazy old man McCain was talking about in 2008 when he said we may need to keep troops stationed in Iraq for many years to come.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2014%2F06%2F15%2F1402868323340_wps_4_An_image_uploaded_on_June.jpg&hash=e099df54186b9cbd6a39ec62c64c45267ed396c2)
That Time John McCain Gave Bush Credit For Troops Leaving Iraq In 2010 http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/time-john-mccain-gave-bush-credit-troops (http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/time-john-mccain-gave-bush-credit-troops)
I guess he changed his mind when he wanted to kiss Bush's ass. By the way, Iraq told us to leave and we did.
I call that crazy.
-
ISIS would probably be thrilled if we got involved.
-
ISIS is good at social media, btw (they have their own rough ridin' app, for pete's sake). They're also distributing these: http://dronesurvivalguide.org/
-
All the would be dead need guns, obvsly. That is what we will do.
-
ISIS would probably be thrilled if we got involved.
Per B.O., our boot are on the way!
-
On the bright side at least the gang from the last war has got back together and is all over cable news. Even Paul Wolfowitz is back on TV. Scarborough and Kristol put on their "very serious bipartisan foreign policy" faces and asked that if everyone agrees not to bring up any quotes from 2003 they won't say anything about Obama surrendering in 2011 assuming he listens to their idea to start a war against ISIS while keeping the option to fight Iran too if they get too meddlesome. Lindsay graham, McCain, Cheney, the Kagan clan, they're all back!
I can't wait until Rumsfeld tries to get back out there with some strategic thinking. All his friends out there with a shiny new war and poor Rummy is still the scapegoat. No Sunday invites.
-
Any Geraldo?
-
Any Geraldo?
yea I hope he brings Rove to the party with him. Maybe they can call it the ISIS of Evil
-
ISIS is good at social media, btw (they have their own rough ridin' app, for pete's sake). They're also distributing these: http://dronesurvivalguide.org/
THE SOCIAL MEDIA UPDATES OF BRITISH JIHADISTS IN SYRIA JUST GOT A LOT MORE DISTRESSING (http://www.vice.com/read/british-jihadis-beheading-prisoners-syria-isis-terrorism) NSFW
-
ISIS is good at social media, btw (they have their own rough ridin' app, for pete's sake). They're also distributing these: http://dronesurvivalguide.org/
THE SOCIAL MEDIA UPDATES OF BRITISH JIHADISTS IN SYRIA JUST GOT A LOT MORE DISTRESSING (http://www.vice.com/read/british-jihadis-beheading-prisoners-syria-isis-terrorism) NSFW
The skeleton is not real. :)
-
I assume the politicians that initially supported the invasion will also support going back in.
-
On the bright side at least the gang from the last war has got back together and is all over cable news. Even Paul Wolfowitz is back on TV. Scarborough and Kristol put on their "very serious bipartisan foreign policy" faces and asked that if everyone agrees not to bring up any quotes from 2003 they won't say anything about Obama surrendering in 2011 assuming he listens to their idea to start a war against ISIS while keeping the option to fight Iran too if they get too meddlesome. Lindsay graham, McCain, Cheney, the Kagan clan, they're all back!
I can't wait until Rumsfeld tries to get back out there with some strategic thinking. All his friends out there with a shiny new war and poor Rummy is still the scapegoat. No Sunday invites.
:lol:
There's enough butthurt packed into this post to start a whole new string of AIDS.
-
I assume the politicians that initially supported the invasion will also support going back in.
I think the only ones left who hold office are Democrats (which includes McCain), so yes. But, lol at the idea of Obama running this past congress. That's not really his thing.
-
Biden must be getting that old tingly invasion feeling again.
Bet he wishes he was back in the Senate so he could laugh shout down Scott Ritter again.
Same goes for Hillary, should couldn't wait to vote for what her husband always wanted to do.
-
I kind of wish this were 2016. No way Jeb wouldn't run if he had an opportunity like this...
-
Biden must be getting that old tingly invasion feeling again.
Bet he wishes he was back in the Senate so he could laugh shout down Scott Ritter again.
Same goes for Hillary, should couldn't wait to vote for what her husband always wanted to do.
Scott Ritter? The lifetime movie wife killer guy?
-
Biden must be getting that old tingly invasion feeling again.
Bet he wishes he was back in the Senate so he could laugh shout down Scott Ritter again.
Same goes for Hillary, should couldn't wait to vote for what her husband always wanted to do.
Scott Ritter? The lifetime movie wife killer guy?
you're thinking of John Ritter of 3's company fame, may he RIP
-
Biden must be getting that old tingly invasion feeling again.
Bet he wishes he was back in the Senate so he could laugh shout down Scott Ritter again.
Same goes for Hillary, should couldn't wait to vote for what her husband always wanted to do.
Scott Ritter? The lifetime movie wife killer guy?
you're thinking of John Ritter of 3's company fame, may he RIP
John Ritter's hilarious brand of physical comedy could unite even the saltiest of Shias and Sunnis
-
Nope, William Scott Ritter who apparently is in prison.
-
Dax, could we have picked a more appropriately-named Iraqi Army spox to go out and rile up some European sympathy? I think we rough ridin' nailed it:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqfA_UzCIAA6vjz.jpg)
-
Dax, could we have picked a more appropriately-named Iraqi Army spox to go out and rile up some European sympathy? I think we rough ridin' nailed it:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqfA_UzCIAA6vjz.jpg)
Conrad Brean and Stanley Motss just high five'd each other FR!
-
ISIS is good at social media, btw (they have their own rough ridin' app, for pete's sake). They're also distributing these: http://dronesurvivalguide.org/
THE SOCIAL MEDIA UPDATES OF BRITISH JIHADISTS IN SYRIA JUST GOT A LOT MORE DISTRESSING (http://www.vice.com/read/british-jihadis-beheading-prisoners-syria-isis-terrorism) NSFW
This one found some nutella.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqfRemrIgAAMZYe.jpg)
-
of course adidas
-
What, no kitten?
-
What, no kitten?
I like to think of him as a kitten that got into the Nutella.
-
Ooooh, ISIS. So evil, but soooo good at social media...
[attachment deleted by admin]
-
LOL
-
I love Egyptian twitter:
ISIS as a heavy metal band
[attachment deleted by admin]
-
While a tragic and severe security concern, the influx of young Europeans has been great for their hashtags
#AllEyesOnISIS
-
who are the euro's joining?
rich kids?
Poor kids?
-
who are the euro's joining?
rich kids?
Poor kids?
I don't really know the demographics. The few examples I know of are middle class to upper middle class and well educated, but I don't know if they're representative (although history would support that trend; over-educated/under-employed is a volatile young male demographic in any culture).
-
Oh man. ISIS congratulated Messi for vanquishing Iran and invited him to "join the jihadist call.”
-
BTW, Dax, did you like that sex jihad story we planted? People eat that crap up.
-
BTW, Dax, did you like that sex jihad story we planted? People eat that crap up.
link?
-
Quit being a pussy and just google ISIS jihad sex.
-
Oh man. ISIS congratulated Messi for vanquishing Iran and invited him to "join the jihadist call.”
Honestly these guys seem like a treat other than the possible ethnic cleansing.
-
the sex story does seem kind of made up
-
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-fighters-tells-families-hand-3745434 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-fighters-tells-families-hand-3745434)
-
the sex story does seem kind of made up
Yeah, it's entirely fabricated. Every time an Islamic/jihadist group makes trouble, some government plants a version of this story about them. It's how the game is played. It works because it undermines their stated moral high ground and because their opponents want so badly to believe it. It's salacious and juicy and also super racist/orientalist and taps into so many politically useful public prejudices.
-
the sex story does seem kind of made up
Yeah, it's entirely fabricated. Every time an Islamic/jihadist group makes trouble, some government plants a version of this story about them. It's how the game is played. It works because it undermines their stated moral high ground and because their opponents want so badly to believe it. It's salacious and juicy and also super racist/orientalist and taps into so many politically useful public prejudices.
I saw several "christian" sites pretty fired up about it.
-
Yep. They're reliable that way
-
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2014/06/osama_bin_laden_s_seven_rules_for_terrorists_isis_will_regret_not_following.single.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2014/06/osama_bin_laden_s_seven_rules_for_terrorists_isis_will_regret_not_following.single.html)
really interesting article comparing ISIS strategies to Osama's policies. Osama Bin Laden would be freaked out by these guys, no doubt.
edit: thanks sundance bro
-
:cheers:
-
It's pretty fascinating how the destabilization of Syria has created a Pakistani Tribal region style sanctuary for the ISIS/ISIL or whatever they're called today.
The daily FP update was filled with quotes about how there's really no way to stop ISIS/ISIL aka Jihadist Sex Fiends if Only for a Few Hours militarily without attacking those sanctuaries. Of course Syria launched air strikes today into the "border" area between Syria and Iraq.
-
Hasn't all this happened all over Africa and south east Euro already
-
Whoever takes over for obamatard has a huge mess to clean up.
-
it's not like they're going to inherit the great depression.
-
it's not like they're going to inherit the great depression.
-2.9 tho...
-
Lowest workforce participation rate since they started the statistical measure. But retiree's tho. :jerk: :rolleyes:
Then again, it's only 6 years of Obama, so, using the Obama: Nothing is our fault Meter.
Nothing is Obama's fault.
-
Just noticed how redundant :rolleyes: and :jerk: are.
-
Just noticed how redundant :rolleyes: and :jerk: are.
They serve completely different purposes
-
Just noticed how redundant :rolleyes: and :jerk: are.
They serve completely different purposes
It's the same emoticon just a jerking off hand added.
-
it's not like they're going to inherit the great depression.
The economy is just one of many disasters they will inherit.
-
I wish people would stop blaming Presidents for the economy.
They don't force people to hire and fire or outsource every tiny component.
The private sector has made the decisions to suppress wages, move jobs overseas, and in turn lower our economy.
-
Sometimes I wonder what Obummer was thinking when he invaded iraq
-
I wish people would stop blaming Presidents for the economy.
They don't force people to hire and fire or outsource every tiny component.
The private sector has made the decisions to suppress wages, move jobs overseas, and in turn lower our economy.
LOL, like policy has no effect on these things. What a moron.
-
I wish people would stop blaming Presidents for the economy.
They don't force people to hire and fire or outsource every tiny component.
The private sector has made the decisions to suppress wages, move jobs overseas, and in turn lower our economy.
LOL, like policy has no effect on these things. What a moron.
Your basic policies are actually created in Congress. The cheap money flowing would be great for investment, but companies just don't invest here like they used to.
You can't lay blame to one single person, especially one without dictatorial control.
-
I mean, I don't even .... :facepalm:
-
I mean, I don't even .... :facepalm:
Of course you don't understand.
You live in some false reality where Barry O. is to blame for all our failures.
Our sluggish economy is the result of a culmination of suppressed wages, trade deficits, and outsourcing that started over 3 decades back.
-
I wish people would stop blaming Presidents for the economy.
They don't force people to hire and fire or outsource every tiny component.
The private sector has made the decisions to suppress wages, move jobs overseas, and in turn lower our economy.
LOL, like policy has no effect on these things. What a moron.
Your basic policies are actually created in Congress. The cheap money flowing would be great for investment, but companies just don't invest here like they used to.
You can't lay blame to one single person, especially one without dictatorial control.
Yeah, the new EPA policies will have zero affect on the economy.
-
Good god. Are conservatives so stupid that they actually believe the economy is due to two terms of Obama and not a culmination of decades of policy and choices by the free market?
-
Gosh, we were told in 2006 that the Democratic control of Congress didn't matter, and that 2008 was still all Bush's fault.
Remember, war extraction, lowering the federal deficit etc were why the D's were swept in, and then the exact opposite happened.
-
Redacted.
-
Gosh, we were told in 2006 that the Democratic control of Congress didn't matter, and that 2008 was still all Bush's fault.
Remember, war extraction, lowering the federal deficit etc were why the D's were swept in, and then the exact opposite happened.
Who rough ridin' cares.
You act like Ds had some complete control when they didn't.
Seriously though most Ds are a buncha corporate cash whores like their republican counterparts.
Did you really think things were gonna change?
-
Unrelenting stupidity followed by unrelenting stupidity
-
Gosh, we were told in 2006 that the Democratic control of Congress didn't matter, and that 2008 was still all Bush's fault.
Remember, war extraction, lowering the federal deficit etc were why the D's were swept in, and then the exact opposite happened.
Who rough ridin' cares.
You act like Ds had some complete control when they didn't.
Seriously though most Ds are a buncha corporate cash whores like their republican counterparts.
Did you really think things were gonna change?
It only got worse when they had complete control.
No, I didn't think things were going to change. Which is why "Hope and Change" is still kinda funny (followed by the "Most Transparent Administration in History")
-
Good god. Are conservatives so stupid that they actually believe the economy is due to two terms of Obama and not a culmination of decades of policy and choices by the free market?
No, but republicans are smart enough to blame it on President Obama (aka liberals), which is no different than what liberals would be doing with a conservative pres in office.
-
ISIS/ISIL/DAASH:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrSjge0IUAECdcH.jpg)
“Our Soldiers Will Soon March Here…”
THIS WAS NOT PART OF THE PLAN! :horrorsurprise: :ohno:
-
ISIS/ISIL/DAASH:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrSjge0IUAECdcH.jpg)
“Our Soldiers Will Soon March Here…”
THIS WAS NOT PART OF THE PLAN! :horrorsurprise: :ohno:
That was pretty nice of them to let you guys know, though.
-
ISIS/ISIL/DAASH:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrSjge0IUAECdcH.jpg)
“Our Soldiers Will Soon March Here…”
THIS WAS NOT PART OF THE PLAN! :horrorsurprise: :ohno:
That was pretty nice of them to let you guys know, though.
They should have at least given a date. Now Felix has to sit there all month waiting on them. It's inconsiderate.
-
The only thing that's even debatable is to what degree the Obama policies have harmed the economy. Nobody (other than goE libtards) are arguing they have no effect. No even the obamatard.
-
ISIS/ISIL/DAASH:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrSjge0IUAECdcH.jpg)
“Our Soldiers Will Soon March Here…”
THIS WAS NOT PART OF THE PLAN! :horrorsurprise: :ohno:
That was pretty nice of them to let you guys know, though.
They should have at least given a date. Now Felix has to sit there all month waiting on them. It's inconsiderate.
Yeah. I'm gonna need coffee shop recommendos.
-
Gosh, we were told in 2006 that the Democratic control of Congress didn't matter, and that 2008 was still all Bush's fault.
Remember, war extraction, lowering the federal deficit etc were why the D's were swept in, and then the exact opposite happened.
Who rough ridin' cares.
You act like Ds had some complete control when they didn't.
Seriously though most Ds are a buncha corporate cash whores like their republican counterparts.
Did you really think things were gonna change?
It only got worse when they had complete control.
No, I didn't think things were going to change. Which is why "Hope and Change" is still kinda funny (followed by the "Most Transparent Administration in History")
Yeah okay. :rolleyes: You think Wall Street is absolved of any blame?
You are right though "hope and change" was a nauseating slogan.
-
i think "most transparent" is way funnier than "hope, change"
-
That's our ISIS! Just some regular bros reminiscing about Jumanji and cursing kuffars to hell.
But srsly, how can you resist the urge to "shoot him a movie question"?
Abdullah @mujahid4life
#RobinWilliams is dead? Weird. Grew up watching his movies.
Abdullah @mujahid4life
Don't make dua for a dead kafir. Just don't. It's haram. Big time. Allah forbade it in Surah Tawbah. End of debate.
Abdullah
?@mujahid4life
Someone asked me if I liked Brokeback Mountain. Seriously guys? I'm an "radical extremist islamist" I don't watch gay films.
Abdullah @mujahid4life · 21h
Ok, seriously. You who've asked me movie questions for the last 3 hours is it so hard to imagine I
1) support #IS & jihad?
2) watch movies?
Abdullah @mujahid4life
Well, if this career as a jihadi/activist doesn't kick off, looks like I'll be a movie critic.
Abdullah @mujahid4life
That said, shoot me a movie question if you so desire, I like discussing them. And other stuff, pretty much anything long as it's civil.
-
@mujahid4life Zero Dark 30. Believable? #teamjsoc #supportkittensforisis
-
I'm gonna ask him about the kittens, Dax. That's a great idea.
-
Other than the beheading thing, this guy seems like a fun dude with whom to grab a non-alcoholic beer:
[attachment deleted by admin]
-
Dax, you should ask him questions. He's super fun.
-
Just found out the kstate ticket platform is called ISIS.
:ohno:
-
Just found out the kstate ticket platform is called ISIS.
:ohno:
it's more than just tickets, it's like everything. back in the olden times it was called CATS or something i think, i dunno when they changed the name.
-
:Take the Bait:
Just found out the kstate ticket platform is called ISIS.
:ohno:
it's more than just tickets, it's like everything. back in the olden times it was called CATS or something i think, i dunno when they changed the name.
It's been isis for 5 or 6 years :runaway:
-
Feix, when did ISIS start posting all of those cat pics on twitter? I'm guessing it was right around the time K-State changed KATS to ISIS.
-
Maliki out in Iraq
-
Feix, when did ISIS start posting all of those cat pics on twitter? I'm guessing it was right around the time K-State changed KATS to ISIS.
[attachment deleted by admin]
-
:love:
-
Feix, when did ISIS start posting all of those cat pics on twitter? I'm guessing it was right around the time K-State changed KATS to ISIS.
OMG OMG OMG
:surprised: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
-
eff 'em, Bomb 'em, etc.
-
#ISISmovies
Get in on this, Dax.
-
"The hills have refugees"
-
"12 years a Yazidi"
-
"How to abuse friends and decapitate people"
-
"My big fat Yazidi massacre"
-
"Convert Bill"
-
"Allah the right moves"
-
"A Caliphate Orange"
-
"Crouching Shia Hidden Christian"
-
The Islamic Network
-
"Allah the right moves"
:D
-
FTB seems like a pretty great middle East terrorist saying. Bet that hashtag gets adopted.
Sent from my KFTT using Tapatalk
-
So media reports seem to imply U.S. air support of the Kurd attack I'm Mosul dam. Not really possible without forward observers, or boots on the ground with American legs in them.
-
"Hajj Tub Time Machine"
enjoyed this one
-
"Iraqi" (and all the sequels)
-
"Iraqi" (and all the sequels)
Iraq = Rocky or Rambo?
-
Hmmm...ISIS claimed an attack in Sinai yesterday and Egypt's state press is currently reporting that police are searching for an ISIS convoy spotted on the highway near my neighborhood. That is a HUGE hit to your cute quotient, ISIS.
-
ISIS beheaded an american journalist and put up a video of it.
-
ISIS beheaded an american journalist and put up a video of it.
not confirmed yet.
Had that dude for 2 years and they do this, seems so stupid.
-
ISIS beheaded an american journalist and put up a video of it.
not confirmed yet.
Had that dude for 2 years and they do this, seems so stupid.
is wacky lying???????? :Wha:
-
ISIS beheaded an american journalist and put up a video of it.
not confirmed yet.
Had that dude for 2 years and they do this, seems so stupid.
is wacky lying???????? :Wha:
Nah, it looks like the poor dude. Just saying that no one has confirmed it.
-
ISIS beheaded an american journalist and put up a video of it.
They have their protocol, it's our job to respect and understand it.
-
ISIS beheaded an american journalist and put up a video of it.
not confirmed yet.
Had that dude for 2 years and they do this, seems so stupid.
Not really. They said they did it in retribution for the airstrikes and will behead the other captured journalist if they don't stop. As a PR-move, it's a little heavy-handed and not very effective in the short-term, but also not totally without merit.
-
ISIS beheaded an american journalist and put up a video of it.
not confirmed yet.
Had that dude for 2 years and they do this, seems so stupid.
Not really. They said they did it in retribution for the airstrikes and will behead the other captured journalist if they don't stop. As a PR-move, it's a little heavy-handed and not very effective in the short-term, but also not totally without merit.
Whats "not really"? Yeah I get that they did this as retribution, but it seems like an odd waste of an American hostage, but its IS, so odd is par. Also what are your thoughts with the "not totally without merit" comment, I'm not getting all of your context, Beghdal?
-
ISIS thrives on fear-based propaganda. They had a spare American, so they used him. They're gambling that if they also go ahead and kill the second, it will sap the political will for continued US engagement in the area (for which there is some historical precedence). ISIS is arrogant and will probably bring about their own end by overreaching, but they're definitely not stupid.
-
They think killing one journalist will stop the droning? Lol
-
ISIS thrives on fear-based propaganda. They had a spare American, so they used him. They're gambling that if they also go ahead and kill the second, it will sap the political will for continued US engagement in the area (for which there is some historical precedence). ISIS is arrogant and will probably bring about their own end by overreaching, but they're definitely not stupid.
Walk me through some of your precedence. I'm thinking of murders like this I hop to Berg and the U.S. definitely went after his killer. What other examples are you thinking of?
-
This ISIS stuff will just work itself out (albeit in a very tragic fashion) and when it does that's where we should draw the borders for the three Iraqi states.
/thread
-
Glad we waited so long to start bombing them. Just "JV" after all. Dither dither dither.
-
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2014%2F08%2F14%2Farticle-2725040-20871A7F00000578-47_306x423.jpg&hash=4d0d883381cdab963e9b8b2424bb77362d40235a)
-
I don't think we have had very good luck overthrowing unstable regimes in the region, either. Have we?
-
This ISIS stuff will just work itself out (albeit in a very tragic fashion) and when it does that's where we should draw the borders for the three Iraqi states.
/thread
If we play our cards right backing the Kurds, we can make Marsh Arabs the new Palestinians.
-
ISIS thrives on fear-based propaganda. They had a spare American, so they used him. They're gambling that if they also go ahead and kill the second, it will sap the political will for continued US engagement in the area (for which there is some historical precedence). ISIS is arrogant and will probably bring about their own end by overreaching, but they're definitely not stupid.
Walk me through some of your precedence. I'm thinking of murders like this I hop to Berg and the U.S. definitely went after his killer. What other examples are you thinking of?
I'm not saying it was the right strategy, and I personally lean toward the thought that it indicates that the airstrikes have pressured them into playing some of their high value cards before they wanted to. But there's a difference between "best option" and "stupid decision."
-
This ISIS stuff will just work itself out (albeit in a very tragic fashion) and when it does that's where we should draw the borders for the three Iraqi states.
/thread
If we play our cards right backing the Kurds, we can make Marsh Arabs the new Palestinians.
do the kurds want to take over that area?
-
This ISIS stuff will just work itself out (albeit in a very tragic fashion) and when it does that's where we should draw the borders for the three Iraqi states.
/thread
If we play our cards right backing the Kurds, we can make Marsh Arabs the new Palestinians.
do the kurds want to take over that area?
Every Kurd I've ever met (fatty) loved ksu cats football, so I say we start an exchange program ala the Paraguayans and Chleans ASAP.
-
At least outfit them with bbs log ins.
-
This ISIS stuff will just work itself out (albeit in a very tragic fashion) and when it does that's where we should draw the borders for the three Iraqi states.
/thread
If we play our cards right backing the Kurds, we can make Marsh Arabs the new Palestinians.
do the kurds want to take over that area?
Every Kurd I've ever met (fatty) loved ksu cats football, so I say we start an exchange program ala the Paraguayans and Chleans ASAP.
will take
-
Could be a strategic miscalculation on my part, but it doesn't seem like there would have been much geopolitical risk involved with using drones, Tomahawk missiles, etc to light up IS troop convoys when they started scurrying around the desert in Iraq last month...
http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2014/08/gen-allen-destroy-islamic-state-now/92012/ (http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2014/08/gen-allen-destroy-islamic-state-now/92012/)
-
Could be a strategic miscalculation on my part, but it doesn't seem like there would have been much geopolitical risk involved with using drones, Tomahawk missiles, etc to light up IS troop convoys when they started scurrying around the desert in Iraq last month...
http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2014/08/gen-allen-destroy-islamic-state-now/92012/ (http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2014/08/gen-allen-destroy-islamic-state-now/92012/)
You can't destroy and insurgency with air assets.
Wow he makes some blunders in that piece. IS is not a group of former Saddamists, for instance Al-Douri was a Ba'athist who worked with ISIS. Ba'athists are a fairly secular group, especially when examined along the lines of theocratic based regimes in the region. The bigger group which makes really terrifying are the Chechens and other Eastern European groups which Russia fought, the Al Nursra Front and other associated regional Sunni hardliners (Salafists), and radicals from the west who have an immense amount of experience in fighting and traveling. I do like his point about AQ and the Taliban looking rather backwards compared to IS.
"American and allied efforts must operate against IS from Mosul in the east across its entire depth to western Syria. In that regard, “sovereignty” in the context of its airspace and territory is not something we should grant President Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria. Syria is a failed state neither capable of acting as a sovereign entity nor deserving the respect of one. We cannot leave IS a safe haven anywhere or a secure support platform from which to regroup or enjoy sanctuary across the now-irrelevant frontier between Syria and Iraq. " like that part.
"The Kurds, the Sunnis and the Free Syrian resistance elements of the region are the “boots on the ground” necessary to the success of this campaign...." not right now they aren't. That would require a lot of U.S. support that I'm not sure the U.S. is willing to give.
-
What would you suggest be done, Dax?
I know not enough to make an informed decision. Choosing between Assad and ISIS seems a tough spot to be in.
-
Yeah, uh Bashar, uh, about that whole overthrow thing (air quotes) . . .
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/west-poised-to-join-forces-with-president-assad-in-face-of-islamic-state-9686666.html
Dax = Chas
(not a good thing)
-
We destroyed a crap ton of the Iraqi military on their way back from Kuwait. All with air assets. Should have done the same here.
Sent using Tapatalk Elite on iPhone 6
-
I'll put these here...
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4-ps.googleusercontent.com%2Fx%2Fwww.powerlineblog.com%2Fi1.wp.com%2Fwww.powerlineblog.com%2Fadmin%2Fed-assets%2F2014%2F08%2FxWar-Strategery-copy.jpg%2Cqresize%3D580%2CP2C408.pagespeed.ic.8rD5vhKbBU.jpg&hash=d6982ea5aa317aaa5c10303e209ce707eebba135)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4-ps.googleusercontent.com%2Fx%2Fwww.powerlineblog.com%2Fi0.wp.com%2Fwww.powerlineblog.com%2Fadmin%2Fed-assets%2F2014%2F08%2FxObamas-national-securuty-copy.jpg%2Cqresize%3D427%2CP2C467.pagespeed.ic.-0xL53Ub0m.jpg&hash=24e8ef279e74aa75697a78af51322d16d075c109)
-
wrong thead
-
These bastards want terror, give 'em hell with tactical nukes --fry "em so they can find their
ugly virgins in hell. Tired of wussy foriegn policy.
-
that seems resonable
-
These bastards want terror, give 'em hell with tactical nukes --fry "em so they can find their
ugly virgins in hell. Tired of wussy foriegn policy.
You sound like someone who has a concealed carry permit and dreams of standing his ground
-
Sorry for sounding like a mad dog lunatic with rabies, but when I heard they cut off those journalist heads with a knife; craving, sawing, hacking slowly. For crying out loud, we treated our chickens more humanely when we butchered them when I was a kid. Then my launch wire was tripped when I saw kids and parents being shot for being Christian. These people a notch below the most vile thing on earth. We need to wake up, and snuff out this virus before it becomes unstoppable..
-
Looks like reno has cable.
-
Pretty much anything below nukes is wussy policy. I mean, even "tactical" nukes sound soft. Full nukes, or your policy is for little girls.
-
We need to wake up, and snuff out this virus before it becomes unstoppable..
I think the Kurds and the Shiites will snuff out the "virus."
-
Looks like Obombya's going to nip this little problem in the bud...
Over the course of the next three years. :blank:
-
Looks like Obombya's going to nip this little problem in the bud...
Over the course of the next three years. :blank:
we launched a 3-year war today. msnbc and cnn headlines are about ray rice. fox's headline is about obama not backing up his words on immigration.
-
The next phase, which would begin sometime after Iraq forms a more inclusive government, scheduled this week, is expected to involve an intensified effort to train, advise or equip the Iraqi military, Kurdish fighters and possibly members of Sunni tribes.
what?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/08/world/middleeast/destroying-isis-may-take-3-years-white-house-says.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSum&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1
-
The next phase, which would begin sometime after Iraq forms a more inclusive government, scheduled this week, is expected to involve an intensified effort to train, advise or equip the Iraqi military, Kurdish fighters and possibly members of Sunni tribes.
what?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/08/world/middleeast/destroying-isis-may-take-3-years-white-house-says.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSum&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1
Its almost like Obama recognizes that you can't roll into another country and be out in 60 days.
-
If I'm reading that correctly, Obama's planning on Iraq forming a more inclusive government sometime this week. OK.
-
The Republicans can basically take Obama's blueprint to election in 2008 and win this next one if they can find a non-dumbass to follow said blueprint.
1. Hunt down/kill terrorists (ISIS)
2. Get us out of Iraq
3. Close Gitmo
4. Reform Immigration
Should be able to go full in on Russia and make it even easier, imo.
-
If I'm reading that correctly, Obama's planning on Iraq forming a more inclusive government sometime this week. OK.
Well step one was getting Maliki out. Mission accomplished.
Step two is getting the Sunni tribes either on the government side or passive
~new government is sworn in this week
~US .mil types working with Sunni tribes, already being done for about a month
~form new gov with inclusive ministers, which they claim will be done this week
Almost mission accomplished, close enough for a carrier landing by prior track records.
Step three kill lots of isis people, retain the support of tribes, get faith of common people back after sectarian divide
Step four Disney Arabian Nights Theme park
-
If I'm reading that correctly, Obama's planning on Iraq forming a more inclusive government sometime this week. OK.
Well step one was getting Maliki out. Mission accomplished.
Step two is getting the Sunni tribes either on the government side or passive
~new government is sworn in this week
~US .mil types working with Sunni tribes, already being done for about a month
~form new gov with inclusive ministers, which they claim will be done this week
Almost mission accomplished, close enough for a carrier landing by prior track records.
Step three kill lots of isis people, retain the support of tribes, get faith of common people back after sectarian divide
Step four Disney Arabian Nights Theme park
crap, they're practically done. check that problem off the list.
-
Just read several articles that indicate U.S. has a backwater understanding with Iran to let them protect Iraq. They are going to coordinate efforts with U.S. Sounds like a big mess brewing.
-
Just read several articles that indicate U.S. has a backwater understanding with Iran to let them protect Iraq. They are going to coordinate efforts with U.S. Sounds like a big mess brewing.
hopefully BAYROCK HUSSEIN OBAMA doesn't sell arms to the Iranians to use those profits to help another country. That would be down right treasonous. :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
-
Sullivan brings it strong
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/09/10/the-nightmare-scenario/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+andrewsullivan%2FrApM+%28The+Dish%29
-
Is ISIS this year's hot halloween costume?
-
Sullivan brings it strong
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/09/10/the-nightmare-scenario/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+andrewsullivan%2FrApM+%28The+Dish%29
Good article, this quote below pretty much sums it up.
We are declaring our commitment to destroying ISIS before the regional actors have fully declared theirs. Now the Turks and the Iraqis and the Saudis can sit back and have the US do their work for them, turning the Salafist terror away from themselves and toward the West. Having the hegemon solve their problems is win-win for them, even as we will get no thanks, and no friends, and many more enemies … if we succeed.
-
Sullivan brings it strong
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/09/10/the-nightmare-scenario/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+andrewsullivan%2FrApM+%28The+Dish%29
He didn't think that through very well.
-
Are you talking about Sullivan or Obama?
-
Are you talking about Sullivan or Obama?
Sullivan, and why people feel less safe than they did a few short months ago. Nothing to do with beheadings.
-
Are you talking about Sullivan or Obama?
Sullivan, and why people feel less safe than they did a few short months ago. Nothing to do with beheadings.
Care to enlighten some of us?
-
british aid worker beheading video released. they have plenty enough hostages to make this a weekly occurance for the duration of this war.
-
Read an article this weekend about how ISIS raises money. The article said that ISIS is the wealthiest terror org ever and that they basically run like the mafia as far as their financial schemes/organization works.
The article said that they have 11 refineries under their control, are selling $110/barrel oil for $25-$60 per barrel on the black market, and are grossing upward of $3M/day. They are involved in all kinds of other stuff too: drugs, sex trafficking, etc. It also went on to say that they have been willing to purchase hostages from other gangs in the region. Evidently, that is how they got a hold of the beheaded brit.
Now, Iran just refused our offer for them to supply boots on ground. So, we are basically up to walking on this whole thing, or booting up ourselves at this point, right? I mean, everyone else has said "no".
Is there anyway we could mindfuck Putin into trying to prove something in Iraq?
-
Read an article this weekend about how ISIS raises money. The article said that ISIS is the wealthiest terror org ever and that they basically run like the mafia as far as their financial schemes/organization works.
The article said that they have 11 refineries under their control, are selling $110/barrel oil for $25-$60 per barrel on the black market, and are grossing upward of $3M/day. They are involved in all kinds of other stuff too: drugs, sex trafficking, etc. It also went on to say that they have been willing to purchase hostages from other gangs in the region. Evidently, that is how they got a hold of the beheaded brit.
Now, Iran just refused our offer for them to supply boots on ground. So, we are basically up to walking on this whole thing, or booting up ourselves at this point, right? I mean, everyone else has said "no".
Is there anyway we could mindfuck Putin into trying to prove something in Iraq?
Right. Except for the fact that they are commanding/controlling land the size of Maryland. Suddenly, $3M/day sounds pretty pud.
-
So, our boots, then?
-
Also, is it pud? I mean, I doubt they are improving roads, bridges, or providing free/reduced lunch. This isn't an org that is doing crap for the citizens that aren't isis fighters, right?
Also, I am pretty sure the three mill was just oil.
-
There's gotta be a reason no one in the region is really doing anything about ISIS (other than Assad, I guess). Right?
-
Other than guns vs no guns, you mean?
-
:Wha:
There's gotta be a reason no one in the region is really doing anything about ISIS (other than Assad, I guess). Right?
TSC
-
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/09/15/obamas-new-war-dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+andrewsullivan%2FrApM+%28The+Dish%29
-
We should rethink dethroning Assad in Syria. Every time we help get rid of these dictators we get chaos and deminted nuts trying to kill us and to take over the world. Choosing the lesser of two evils like was done in the cold war.
-
We should rethink dethroning Assad in Syria. Every time we help get rid of these dictators we get chaos and deminted nuts trying to kill us and to take over the world. Choosing the lesser of two evils like was done in the cold war.
Yeah bush really screwed up
-
Obama has fostered the most egregious series of eff ups in the ME imaginable. The entire place is on fire.
-
Obama has fostered the most egregious series of eff ups in the ME imaginable. The entire place is on fire.
What if that was the goal? Pretty dece job then?
-
ISIS. We shoukd bomb their oil refineries. Supposedly they have eleven, or so, od them. Bomb the crap out of them. Cut off a bunch of their money. War won.
-
Obama has fostered the most egregious series of eff ups in the ME imaginable. The entire place is on fire.
What if that was the goal? Pretty dece job then?
Then he should be tortured and then executed
-
don't a lot of folks in the ME think our whole goal is to destabilize to prevent consolidation of power, cooperation etc.? Now that we are melting all of Canada's sand into oil we can just BID over there.
-
French guy just beheaded, apparently.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/world/africa/algeria-france-hostage-beheading/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/world/africa/algeria-france-hostage-beheading/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
-
don't a lot of folks in the ME think our whole goal is to destabilize to prevent consolidation of power, cooperation etc.? Now that we are melting all of Canada's sand into oil we can just BID over there.
Maine is v close to Canada, though. Seems risky.
-
don't a lot of folks in the ME think our whole goal is to destabilize to prevent consolidation of power, cooperation etc.? Now that we are melting all of Canada's sand into oil we can just BID over there.
I don't know anyone who thinks that, which is good, because it's one of the dumbest things I've read.
-
SoS John Kerry said a few days ago fighting climate change is comparable to fighting ISIS in urgency. This must of scared the hell out of them. They called Kerry the Uncircumsized Old Geezer. What has he been doing behind the scenes for them to know such things. I would feel better if they called him Son of Satan or Killer Kerry instead of UOG.