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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: MadCat on April 09, 2014, 11:37:31 AM
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Some day they'll just stop reporting it. :zzz:
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Some day they'll just stop reporting it. :zzz:
Exactly. I don't get why anyone cares, or anyone cares to report it.
you don't get why?
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Some day they'll just stop reporting it. :zzz:
Exactly. I don't get why anyone cares, or anyone cares to report it.
you don't get why?
he wants you to know how ok with gays he is by acting super annoyed by all of this
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you have the 'if he's gay, he's gay' part right
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Some day they'll just stop reporting it. :zzz:
Exactly. I don't get why anyone cares, or anyone cares to report it.
he obviously just wants attention. he is really taking away from the ultimate warrior's death coverage in my opinion
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omg that gay lifestyle wtf
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"lifestyle"
:D
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this dude announcing his whole lifestyle choices, why should we care anywayz?
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people who don't like homosexuals hate people talking about homosexuals. the WHY IS THIS NEWS!? comments are what they are left with now that flamboyant bigotry is unacceptable in even most "right" circles.
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every where you look it's news about homos. if it isn't the first gay senator or first gay athlete it's some queer in iran or texas being castrated or hung or drug to death. get out of the news, homos.
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he wants you to know how ok with gays he is by acting super annoyed by all of this
Actually don't really agree with the lifestyle
The only thing I don't agree with is the active sexual lifestyle of a gay person
yes, god forbid I prevent any constructive comments in a discussion by ridiculing crap like this
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NOBODY POINT OUT ANYTHING AWFUL THAT HIPPOCRATICOAF SAYS BECAUSE IT COULD PREVENT FUTURE CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS IN A DISCUSSION!
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Love the 'I don't hate gays, just the lifestyle' people
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just like I don't agree with the active sexual lifestyle of unmarried straight people.
perhaps baylor might be a better fit for you.
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wouldn't 'oaf feel silly if these guys were currently chaste and vowed to remain so until marriage! :lol:
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people who don't like homosexuals hate people talking about homosexuals. the WHY IS THIS NEWS!? comments are what they are left with now that flamboyant bigotry is unacceptable in even most "right" circles.
It's talk like this that prevents any constructive comments in a discussion. When you just come out and accuse me of hating gay people it just ends any intelligent conversation that could have happened.
I don't hate homosexuals and in fact, I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay. The only thing I don't agree with is the active sexual lifestyle of a gay person, just like I don't agree with the active sexual lifestyle of unmarried straight people.
Sorry if i've offended anyone. :frown:
i don't doubt that you are a nice person, but do you really not see how "i don't agree with the lifestyle" comes across? in two sentences you say there's nothing wrong with it, except for when they actually do it. you seem to consider all gays sex-crazed nymphomaniacs which is just kind of a backwards way of thinking.
and if you really don't have a problem with it, then how can you not appreciate the significance of active athletes finally being able to be open about who they are?
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"i don't get why people want to discuss this" :confused:............. "you're ruining our ability to discuss this." :angry:
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So you are just against people enjoying sex with multiple partners?
What did you do in college?
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the lifestyle crap just kills me.
"I don't hate mexicans, you guys. I just don't like them cooking all that smelly mexican food and speaking in spanish, that's all."
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people who don't like homosexuals hate people talking about homosexuals. the WHY IS THIS NEWS!? comments are what they are left with now that flamboyant bigotry is unacceptable in even most "right" circles.
It's talk like this that prevents any constructive comments in a discussion. When you just come out and accuse me of hating gay people it just ends any intelligent conversation that could have happened.
I don't hate homosexuals and in fact, I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay. The only thing I don't agree with is the active sexual lifestyle of a gay person, just like I don't agree with the active sexual lifestyle of unmarried straight people.
Sorry if i've offended anyone. :frown:
i don't doubt that you are a nice person, but do you really not see how "i don't agree with the lifestyle" comes across? in two sentences you say there's nothing wrong with it, except for when they actually do it. you seem to consider all gays sex-crazed nymphomaniacs which is just kind of a backwards way of thinking.
and if you really don't have a problem with it, then how can you not appreciate the significance of active athletes finally being able to be open about who they are?
I see how what I've said can come across, but I don't mean to imply that at all. I also say I disagree with the active sexual lifestyle of unmarried straight persons, but I wasn't trying to imply that they were sex-crazed nymphomaniacs either.
Whether straight or gay it's not bad to be attracted to a certain person, but when we start lusting it can become a problem. And when I say that we shouldn't care, I don't mean we shouldn't care about the gay individual coming out(because that's obviously a HUGE moment in their life, and I understand that), I mean we shouldn't care whether he or she is gay because it's just their sexual preference and shouldn't define them as much as it does in our society.
Lastly, there are tons of things I don't agree with like lying, cheating on spouse, stealing etc. but it doesn't mean I hate people that do these things. I know I'm not even close to perfect, so it's not my job to judge. I'm just saying how I feel.
Sorry for the monstrous post. lol
What about the active sexual lifestyle of gays are you against? Please say that it's because they're not married.
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oh man, Bread
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the lifestyle crap just kills me.
"I don't hate mexicans, you guys. I just don't like them cooking all that smelly mexican food and speaking in spanish, that's all."
lol
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So you are just against people enjoying sex with multiple partners?
What did you do in college?
lol I don't think I said it earlier, but just cause I don't agree with something doesn't mean that I haven't done it myself. I don't agree with lying, lusting, etc. but that doesn't mean I've never done these things.
Someone might find cheating on a spouse or partner to be morally wrong, but that doesn't mean there's not a situation where they might slip up.
Just like everyone else I've messed up a lot, which is why I never meant to judge anyone in this thread. I was just kinda defending my views because I know there's a lot of intolerance out there, especially toward the gay community, and I didn't want to be identified with that hate-filled group.
You keep equating being gay with immoral behavior of non-gays like cheating, lying and stealing. When two committed consenting adult gay people have sex there isn't a wronged party such as when someone steals, lies or cheats. Bringing us back to what about the active sexual lifestyle of gays are you against?
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BECAUSE IT'S ICKY!!!
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Is this a bible thing?
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So you are just against people enjoying sex with multiple partners?
What did you do in college?
lol I don't think I said it earlier, but just cause I don't agree with something doesn't mean that I haven't done it myself. I don't agree with lying, lusting, etc. but that doesn't mean I've never done these things.
Someone might find cheating on a spouse or partner to be morally wrong, but that doesn't mean there's not a situation where they might slip up.
Just like everyone else I've messed up a lot, which is why I never meant to judge anyone in this thread. I was just kinda defending my views because I know there's a lot of intolerance out there, especially toward the gay community, and I didn't want to be identified with that hate-filled group.
You keep equating being gay with immoral behavior of non-gays like cheating, lying and stealing. When two committed consenting adult gay people have sex there isn't a wronged party such as when someone steals, lies or cheats. Bringing us back to what about the active sexual lifestyle of gays are you against?
There technically wouldn't be a wronged party when a harmless lie is told, when someone cheats on an exam, or when two straight consenting adults have sex either but many still find it immoral. Immorality doesn't always have to have a wronged party is just so happens that it usually does.
And sex is supposed to give the opportunity for life to be created. This doesn't mean that it's likely to be created, or has much of a chance at all, but at least gives a chance.
am I allowed to masterbate?
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Is this a bible thing?
I would imagine. Actually his stance is pretty moderate compared to other Christians.
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So you are just against people enjoying sex with multiple partners?
What did you do in college?
lol I don't think I said it earlier, but just cause I don't agree with something doesn't mean that I haven't done it myself. I don't agree with lying, lusting, etc. but that doesn't mean I've never done these things.
Someone might find cheating on a spouse or partner to be morally wrong, but that doesn't mean there's not a situation where they might slip up.
Just like everyone else I've messed up a lot, which is why I never meant to judge anyone in this thread. I was just kinda defending my views because I know there's a lot of intolerance out there, especially toward the gay community, and I didn't want to be identified with that hate-filled group.
You keep equating being gay with immoral behavior of non-gays like cheating, lying and stealing. When two committed consenting adult gay people have sex there isn't a wronged party such as when someone steals, lies or cheats. Bringing us back to what about the active sexual lifestyle of gays are you against?
There technically wouldn't be a wronged party when a harmless lie is told, when someone cheats on an exam, or when two straight consenting adults have sex either but many still find it immoral. Immorality doesn't always have to have a wronged party is just so happens that it usually does.
And sex is supposed to give the opportunity for life to be created. This doesn't mean that it's likely to be created, or has much of a chance at all, but at least gives a chance.
Gay sex = harmless lie or test cheating. Got it.
So you are anti-birth control pill and condoms I take it? Blow jobs and hand jobs would seem to be out of bounds as well. Non-procreative sexual activity. What say you?
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am I allowed to masterbate?
As with most things in life, it all hinges upon where you finish.
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So you are just against people enjoying sex with multiple partners?
What did you do in college?
lol I don't think I said it earlier, but just cause I don't agree with something doesn't mean that I haven't done it myself. I don't agree with lying, lusting, etc. but that doesn't mean I've never done these things.
Someone might find cheating on a spouse or partner to be morally wrong, but that doesn't mean there's not a situation where they might slip up.
Just like everyone else I've messed up a lot, which is why I never meant to judge anyone in this thread. I was just kinda defending my views because I know there's a lot of intolerance out there, especially toward the gay community, and I didn't want to be identified with that hate-filled group.
You keep equating being gay with immoral behavior of non-gays like cheating, lying and stealing. When two committed consenting adult gay people have sex there isn't a wronged party such as when someone steals, lies or cheats. Bringing us back to what about the active sexual lifestyle of gays are you against?
There technically wouldn't be a wronged party when a harmless lie is told, when someone cheats on an exam, or when two straight consenting adults have sex either but many still find it immoral. Immorality doesn't always have to have a wronged party is just so happens that it usually does.
And sex is supposed to give the opportunity for life to be created. This doesn't mean that it's likely to be created, or has much of a chance at all, but at least gives a chance.
am I allowed to masterbate?
lol of course you're ALLOWED to masturbate. But is it somewhat immoral due to the objectification of whatever material you might use and the lack of intent to allow the creation of a life? Sure.
Trust me, if this was a dictatorship and I was the country's leader, none of these actions which we've discussed would be illegal in any way. It's just up to each person to try and practice self denial/control for the benefit of themselves.
So I can masterbate, but I'll pay for it in the after life. What a pickle.
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goemawlestation
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What about the active sexual lifestyle of gays are you against? Please say that it's because they're not married.
did oaf address this yet?
POST THE RESPONSE, OAF
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am I allowed to masterbate?
As with most things in life, it all hinges upon where you finish.
:runaway:
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am I allowed to masterbate?
As with most things in life, it all hinges upon where you finish.
:runaway:
so many martyred keyboards :frown:
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So you are just against people enjoying sex with multiple partners?
What did you do in college?
lol I don't think I said it earlier, but just cause I don't agree with something doesn't mean that I haven't done it myself. I don't agree with lying, lusting, etc. but that doesn't mean I've never done these things.
Someone might find cheating on a spouse or partner to be morally wrong, but that doesn't mean there's not a situation where they might slip up.
Just like everyone else I've messed up a lot, which is why I never meant to judge anyone in this thread. I was just kinda defending my views because I know there's a lot of intolerance out there, especially toward the gay community, and I didn't want to be identified with that hate-filled group.
You keep equating being gay with immoral behavior of non-gays like cheating, lying and stealing. When two committed consenting adult gay people have sex there isn't a wronged party such as when someone steals, lies or cheats. Bringing us back to what about the active sexual lifestyle of gays are you against?
There technically wouldn't be a wronged party when a harmless lie is told, when someone cheats on an exam, or when two straight consenting adults have sex either but many still find it immoral. Immorality doesn't always have to have a wronged party is just so happens that it usually does.
And sex is supposed to give the opportunity for life to be created. This doesn't mean that it's likely to be created, or has much of a chance at all, but at least gives a chance.
am I allowed to masterbate?
lol of course you're ALLOWED to masturbate. But is it somewhat immoral due to the objectification of whatever material you might use and the lack of intent to allow the creation of a life? Sure.
Trust me, if this was a dictatorship and I was the country's leader, none of these actions which we've discussed would be illegal in any way. It's just up to each person to try and practice self denial/control for the benefit of themselves.
So I can masterbate, but I'll pay for it in the after life. What a pickle.
Not necessarily the afterlife. I think we've all experienced how being disciplined and practicing self denial in one area of our lives has benefited several others.
I don't trust anyone who doesn't masterbate.
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I really did not see this becoming an "Ask hippocraticoaf Questions Regarding Sexual Morality" thread. :jerk:
Wait, I thought masturbating was bad :dunno:
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I really did not see this becoming an "Ask hippocraticoaf Questions Regarding Sexual Morality" thread. :jerk:
It's talk like this that prevents any constructive comments in a discussion.
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I really did not see this becoming an "Ask hippocraticoaf Questions Regarding Sexual Morality" thread. :jerk:
Not many of us saw some pretty remarkable opinions on sex coming either, but here we are.
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So you are just against people enjoying sex with multiple partners?
What did you do in college?
lol I don't think I said it earlier, but just cause I don't agree with something doesn't mean that I haven't done it myself. I don't agree with lying, lusting, etc. but that doesn't mean I've never done these things.
Someone might find cheating on a spouse or partner to be morally wrong, but that doesn't mean there's not a situation where they might slip up.
Just like everyone else I've messed up a lot, which is why I never meant to judge anyone in this thread. I was just kinda defending my views because I know there's a lot of intolerance out there, especially toward the gay community, and I didn't want to be identified with that hate-filled group.
You keep equating being gay with immoral behavior of non-gays like cheating, lying and stealing. When two committed consenting adult gay people have sex there isn't a wronged party such as when someone steals, lies or cheats. Bringing us back to what about the active sexual lifestyle of gays are you against?
There technically wouldn't be a wronged party when a harmless lie is told, when someone cheats on an exam, or when two straight consenting adults have sex either but many still find it immoral. Immorality doesn't always have to have a wronged party is just so happens that it usually does.
And sex is supposed to give the opportunity for life to be created. This doesn't mean that it's likely to be created, or has much of a chance at all, but at least gives a chance.
Gay sex = harmless lie or test cheating. Got it.
So you are anti-birth control pill and condoms I take it? Blow jobs and hand jobs would seem to be out of bounds as well. Non-procreative sexual activity. What say you?
Condoms and a birth control pill aren't needed if you're married. A BJ/HJ is a bit of a grey area lol. If part of foreplay, then most likely you'd be good to go :thumbs: Otherwise your headin into that non-procreation area, but like I said when you get into those grey areas I don't have the strongest opinion in the world
How do you keep from getting pregnant?
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So, I'm getting some foreplay, and we're gonna procreate TONIGHT cause she's an MBA and I could use some stability. But let's say that she's really good and I don't wanna splooge, but guess what? I splooge. Am I immoral or does God give me a hall pass?
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homophobia is simply the fear that another man will treat you the way that you treat women. which says a lot more about how homophobes view women and gender roles than anything else.
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If it isn't a good time for a pregnancy, the main form of natural birth control would be to resist the urge to have sex when the woman is most fertile, and then go at it like drunk monkeys when she's most infertile.
Cliff notes: Avoid bangin when she's ovulating.
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looks like hippocraticoaf here is in the pocket of BIG BASAL THERMOMETER
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well sweet jesus this thread is a great thursday pick-me-up
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If it isn't a good time for a pregnancy, the main form of natural birth control would be to resist the urge to have sex when the woman is most fertile, and then go at it like drunk monkeys when she's most infertile.
Cliff notes: Avoid bangin when she's ovulating.
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i'm willing to bet almost any amount that this person is not ovulating.
oaf, do post-menopausal persons ever get mad at you when you tell them their sex lives are immoral?
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i'm massively immoral, but paul moscow would trust the hell out of me
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it's terribly confusing that this thread is not located in the pit
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So, I'm getting some foreplay, and we're gonna procreate TONIGHT cause she's an MBA and I could use some stability. But let's say that she's really good and I don't wanna splooge, but guess what? I splooge. Am I immoral or does God give me a hall pass?
If you didn't mean to it's no big deal except for the fact that you blew your load too early. You need to have the intent to do something immoral for it to count.
So I can circumvent this whole procreation rule by pretending to have intent? Are you a Hasidic Jew?
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So you are just against people enjoying sex with multiple partners?
What did you do in college?
lol I don't think I said it earlier, but just cause I don't agree with something doesn't mean that I haven't done it myself. I don't agree with lying, lusting, etc. but that doesn't mean I've never done these things.
Someone might find cheating on a spouse or partner to be morally wrong, but that doesn't mean there's not a situation where they might slip up.
Just like everyone else I've messed up a lot, which is why I never meant to judge anyone in this thread. I was just kinda defending my views because I know there's a lot of intolerance out there, especially toward the gay community, and I didn't want to be identified with that hate-filled group.
You keep equating being gay with immoral behavior of non-gays like cheating, lying and stealing. When two committed consenting adult gay people have sex there isn't a wronged party such as when someone steals, lies or cheats. Bringing us back to what about the active sexual lifestyle of gays are you against?
There technically wouldn't be a wronged party when a harmless lie is told, when someone cheats on an exam, or when two straight consenting adults have sex either but many still find it immoral. Immorality doesn't always have to have a wronged party is just so happens that it usually does.
And sex is supposed to give the opportunity for life to be created. This doesn't mean that it's likely to be created, or has much of a chance at all, but at least gives a chance.
Gay sex = harmless lie or test cheating. Got it.
So you are anti-birth control pill and condoms I take it? Blow jobs and hand jobs would seem to be out of bounds as well. Non-procreative sexual activity. What say you?
Condoms and a birth control pill aren't needed if you're married. A BJ/HJ is a bit of a grey area lol. If part of foreplay, then most likely you'd be good to go :thumbs: Otherwise your headin into that non-procreation area, but like I said when you get into those grey areas I don't have the strongest opinion in the world
How do you keep from getting pregnant?
If it isn't a good time for a pregnancy, the main form of natural birth control would be to resist the urge to have sex when the woman is most fertile, and then go at it like drunk monkeys when she's most infertile.
Cliff notes: Avoid bangin when she's ovulating.
dude.
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if nothing else this thread has served as an amazing view into the brain of the "gay lifestyle disliker"
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if nothing else this thread has served as an amazing view into the brain of the "gay lifestyle disliker"
yeah I didn't ever think that my first response to these people would change to, "you need to go masterbate"
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if nothing else this thread has served as an amazing view into the brain of the "gay lifestyle disliker"
yeah I didn't ever think that my first response to these people would change to, "you need to go masterbate"
Paradigm shift
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What is your view on unmarried straight couples who have sex for the sole purpose of procreation?
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What is your view on unmarried straight couples who have sex for the sole purpose of procreation?
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if nothing else this thread has served as an amazing view into the brain of the "gay lifestyle disliker"
Man that is really eatin at you huh? I'm glad you can sum up my entire existence into that "gay lifestyle disliker" guy.
It's just a different view of things. I don't look down on you for your views or on gay people for being sexually active. If it's not that then someone else might be lustful, lazy, greedy, gluttonous or addicted to drugs or alcohol, whatever I don't care. Everyone's got there vices and problems and I know I have a lot of crap I gotta improve on, so it's not my job to judge.
Everything I've said in this thread is just my view of things and I don't expect everyone to feel the same way.
You did the thing again where you swear you're not judging, but then you segue from gay directly into "Everyone's got there vices and problems." Like when you said that you don't look down on gay people because you have problems and other people lie, cheat and steal too so it's basically all good.
It makes it seem like you are implying that being gay is a vice or personal problem, which of course would be passing judgment. It's really something how this makes sense to you. Like I imply the hell out of it, but since I refuse to actually say it you can't hold me accountable for the opinion.
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if nothing else this thread has served as an amazing view into the brain of the "gay lifestyle disliker"
Man that is really eatin at you huh? I'm glad you can sum up my entire existence into that "gay lifestyle disliker" guy.
no, I'm good. and I'm confident you are more than someone who "dislikes the gay lifestyle". however, it's the only thing I know about you. like, your post ratio is 3/4 disliking the gay lifestyle and 1/4 posts I don't remember.
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has the word "lifestyle" ever been use positively?
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where did you come up with these views? i mean, i understand all the gay stuff is biblely, but even evangelical christians view non procreational sex as a gift from god to be shared in a marriage.
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where did you come up with these views? i mean, i understand all the gay stuff is biblely, but even evangelical christians view non procreational sex as a gift from god to be shared in a marriage.
yeah it seems like he took all the weird parts from all the religions re: sex and just mashed them together.
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OK, since this is a mature discussion, involving reasonable adults, about perfectly natural human functions, let me pose a hypothetical to the group:
What if I have consensual sex with my spouse, where I ejaculate on her breasts, BUT she then wipes the semen onto her fingers and places them in her own vagina? Is this moral? Sounds like it is, because she can foster procreation via this activity, right?
Also, as a follow up (this one is trickier): What if I am consensually anal penetrating her, and I ejaculate BY ACCIDENT (did not intend to "finish" so quickly)...could I then return to the correct side of morality if I were to orally suck the semen from her anus, then regurgitate (or "spit") the semen into her vagina? Furthermore, would you say that this grants me "a lot" of credit with God? The answer to this is VERY important to a Canadian friend of mine, because in the scenario I just described, he is exceptionally reluctant to take the described steps to get back on the "right side of morality." TIA.
Good talk guys.
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PETE NO!!
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PETE NO!!
Hmmmm, disappointing, but rules are rules I guess.
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:lol:
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also interested in the answers to these questions
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Pete is the best! :lol:
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wow pete
masterpiece
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where did you come up with these views? i mean, i understand all the gay stuff is biblely, but even evangelical christians view non procreational sex as a gift from god to be shared in a marriage.
lol I think I might have misrepresented or maybe you misunderstood when I said procreation. I don't mean for your only intention during sex or for sex to be to make a baby.
I simply mean that you need to leave the possibility open whenever you do have sex. (Which can be whenever suits you and your spouse) There is no limit or certain times or anything of that nature as long as what you do gives the possibility for life.
Is this all a rouse so you don't have to wear a rubber?
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where did you come up with these views? i mean, i understand all the gay stuff is biblely, but even evangelical christians view non procreational sex as a gift from god to be shared in a marriage.
lol I think I might have misrepresented or maybe you misunderstood when I said procreation. I don't mean for your only intention during sex or for sex to be to make a baby.
I simply mean that you need to leave the possibility open whenever you do have sex. (Which can be whenever suits you and your spouse) There is no limit or certain times or anything of that nature as long as what you do gives the possibility for life.
There you have it, my anus-to-vagina oral semen relocation example passes muster.
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OK, since this is a mature discussion, involving reasonable adults, about perfectly natural human functions, let me pose a hypothetical to the group:
What if I have consensual sex with my spouse, where I ejaculate on her breasts, BUT she then wipes the semen onto her fingers and places them in her own vagina? Is this moral? Sounds like it is, because she can foster procreation via this activity, right?
Also, as a follow up (this one is trickier): What if I am consensually anal penetrating her, and I ejaculate BY ACCIDENT (did not intend to "finish" so quickly)...could I then return to the correct side of morality if I were to orally suck the semen from her anus, then regurgitate (or "spit") the semen into her vagina? Furthermore, would you say that this grants me "a lot" of credit with God? The answer to this is VERY important to a Canadian friend of mine, because in the scenario I just described, he is exceptionally reluctant to take the described steps to get back on the "right side of morality." TIA.
Good talk guys.
WELL DONE! WELL DONE! GOOD EFFORT! GOOD EFFORT! *clap clap clap-clap-clap*
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:lol:
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This dude has more flip flops than a summer pool party at bsac's summer house
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Pete :lol:
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Holy crap Pete, I can't rough ridin' breathe over here.
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OK, since this is a mature discussion, involving reasonable adults, about perfectly natural human functions, let me pose a hypothetical to the group:
What if I have consensual sex with my spouse, where I ejaculate on her breasts, BUT she then wipes the semen onto her fingers and places them in her own vagina? Is this moral? Sounds like it is, because she can foster procreation via this activity, right?
Also, as a follow up (this one is trickier): What if I am consensually anal penetrating her, and I ejaculate BY ACCIDENT (did not intend to "finish" so quickly)...could I then return to the correct side of morality if I were to orally suck the semen from her anus, then regurgitate (or "spit") the semen into her vagina? Furthermore, would you say that this grants me "a lot" of credit with God? The answer to this is VERY important to a Canadian friend of mine, because in the scenario I just described, he is exceptionally reluctant to take the described steps to get back on the "right side of morality." TIA.
Good talk guys.
Pete, I think you are really just putting it in God's hands at that point. If God chooses to kill you from some strange bacteria living in your wife's anus, then we will all know that you really don't give a crap (pun intended :lol:) about procreation at all, but if you survive disease-free, you will know that your heart is pure and that you really do want that baby. You just have to wait it out with no antibiotics for 48 hours to be sure.
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NOBODY POINT OUT ANYTHING AWFUL THAT HIPPOCRATICOAF SAYS BECAUSE IT COULD PREVENT FUTURE CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS IN A DISCUSSION!
Calm down, tool. You look like an idiot.
FYI, Michael Sam's combine performance was awful. Most kickers are faster and stronger than he is.
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OK, since this is a mature discussion, involving reasonable adults, about perfectly natural human functions, let me pose a hypothetical to the group:
What if I have consensual sex with my spouse, where I ejaculate on her breasts, BUT she then wipes the semen onto her fingers and places them in her own vagina? Is this moral? Sounds like it is, because she can foster procreation via this activity, right?
Also, as a follow up (this one is trickier): What if I am consensually anal penetrating her, and I ejaculate BY ACCIDENT (did not intend to "finish" so quickly)...could I then return to the correct side of morality if I were to orally suck the semen from her anus, then regurgitate (or "spit") the semen into her vagina? Furthermore, would you say that this grants me "a lot" of credit with God? The answer to this is VERY important to a Canadian friend of mine, because in the scenario I just described, he is exceptionally reluctant to take the described steps to get back on the "right side of morality." TIA.
Good talk guys.
:lol: Well for your canadian friend, basically it has to be a natural form of conception and i'll just say most of that doesn't sound too natural.
How did you come by this set of rules?
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NOBODY POINT OUT ANYTHING AWFUL THAT HIPPOCRATICOAF SAYS BECAUSE IT COULD PREVENT FUTURE CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS IN A DISCUSSION!
Calm down, tool. You look like an idiot.
FYI, Michael Sam's combine performance was awful. Most kickers are faster and stronger than he is.
take that, steve dave.
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OK, since this is a mature discussion, involving reasonable adults, about perfectly natural human functions, let me pose a hypothetical to the group:
What if I have consensual sex with my spouse, where I ejaculate on her breasts, BUT she then wipes the semen onto her fingers and places them in her own vagina? Is this moral? Sounds like it is, because she can foster procreation via this activity, right?
Also, as a follow up (this one is trickier): What if I am consensually anal penetrating her, and I ejaculate BY ACCIDENT (did not intend to "finish" so quickly)...could I then return to the correct side of morality if I were to orally suck the semen from her anus, then regurgitate (or "spit") the semen into her vagina? Furthermore, would you say that this grants me "a lot" of credit with God? The answer to this is VERY important to a Canadian friend of mine, because in the scenario I just described, he is exceptionally reluctant to take the described steps to get back on the "right side of morality." TIA.
Good talk guys.
:lol: Well for your canadian friend, basically it has to be a natural form of conception and i'll just say most of that doesn't sound too natural.
How did you come by this set of rules?
Roman Catholic doctrine.
As soon as you said "procreation" i had you pegged for catholic or mormon.
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I suppose they've had plenty of time to sort out all the technicalities and loopholes. Lucky for Pete's Canadian friend. That guy could have had a mouthful of butt semen and been on the wrong side of the aisle.
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OK, since this is a mature discussion, involving reasonable adults, about perfectly natural human functions, let me pose a hypothetical to the group:
What if I have consensual sex with my spouse, where I ejaculate on her breasts, BUT she then wipes the semen onto her fingers and places them in her own vagina? Is this moral? Sounds like it is, because she can foster procreation via this activity, right?
Also, as a follow up (this one is trickier): What if I am consensually anal penetrating her, and I ejaculate BY ACCIDENT (did not intend to "finish" so quickly)...could I then return to the correct side of morality if I were to orally suck the semen from her anus, then regurgitate (or "spit") the semen into her vagina? Furthermore, would you say that this grants me "a lot" of credit with God? The answer to this is VERY important to a Canadian friend of mine, because in the scenario I just described, he is exceptionally reluctant to take the described steps to get back on the "right side of morality." TIA.
Good talk guys.
:lol: Well for your canadian friend, basically it has to be a natural form of conception and i'll just say most of that doesn't sound too natural.
How did you come by this set of rules?
Roman Catholic doctrine.
As soon as you said "procreation" i had you pegged for catholic or mormon.
You pegged correctly my friend.
careful, that's unnatural and not procreative
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OK, since this is a mature discussion, involving reasonable adults, about perfectly natural human functions, let me pose a hypothetical to the group:
What if I have consensual sex with my spouse, where I ejaculate on her breasts, BUT she then wipes the semen onto her fingers and places them in her own vagina? Is this moral? Sounds like it is, because she can foster procreation via this activity, right?
Also, as a follow up (this one is trickier): What if I am consensually anal penetrating her, and I ejaculate BY ACCIDENT (did not intend to "finish" so quickly)...could I then return to the correct side of morality if I were to orally suck the semen from her anus, then regurgitate (or "spit") the semen into her vagina? Furthermore, would you say that this grants me "a lot" of credit with God? The answer to this is VERY important to a Canadian friend of mine, because in the scenario I just described, he is exceptionally reluctant to take the described steps to get back on the "right side of morality." TIA.
Good talk guys.
:lol: Well for your canadian friend, basically it has to be a natural form of conception and i'll just say most of that doesn't sound too natural.
How did you come by this set of rules?
Roman Catholic doctrine.
As soon as you said "procreation" i had you pegged for catholic or mormon.
You pegged correctly my friend.
careful, that's unnatural and not procreative
Holy crap :lol:
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I suppose they've had plenty of time to sort out all the technicalities and loopholes. Lucky for Pete's Canadian friend. That guy could have had a mouthful of butt semen and been on the wrong side of the aisle.
I think that story was too detailed to be a hypothetical. This has already happened. Luckily, I think all he needs to do is go tell that story, sparing no details, to a priest at his next confession and he should be right as rain.
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I suppose they've had plenty of time to sort out all the technicalities and loopholes. Lucky for Pete's Canadian friend. That guy could have had a mouthful of butt semen and been on the wrong side of the aisle.
I think that story was too detailed to be a hypothetical. This has already happened. Luckily, I think all he needs to do is go tell that story, sparing no details, to a priest at his next confession and he should be right as rain.
Pete's Canadian friend may want to rinse with some Listerine or Canadian Club Small Batch Classic before going.
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I guess I don't understand the difference between having unprotected sex at particular times with the intent to not have a child (acceptable) and using a much more effective method like the pill/condoms/etc. (unacceptable)?
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I guess I don't understand the difference between having unprotected sex at particular times with the intent to not have a child (acceptable) and using a much more effective method like the pill/condoms/etc. (unacceptable)?
God.
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I guess I don't understand the difference between having unprotected sex at particular times with the intent to not have a child (acceptable) and using a much more effective method like the pill/condoms/etc. (unacceptable)?
God.
Who?
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OK, since this is a mature discussion, involving reasonable adults, about perfectly natural human functions, let me pose a hypothetical to the group:
What if I have consensual sex with my spouse, where I ejaculate on her breasts, BUT she then wipes the semen onto her fingers and places them in her own vagina? Is this moral? Sounds like it is, because she can foster procreation via this activity, right?
Also, as a follow up (this one is trickier): What if I am consensually anal penetrating her, and I ejaculate BY ACCIDENT (did not intend to "finish" so quickly)...could I then return to the correct side of morality if I were to orally suck the semen from her anus, then regurgitate (or "spit") the semen into her vagina? Furthermore, would you say that this grants me "a lot" of credit with God? The answer to this is VERY important to a Canadian friend of mine, because in the scenario I just described, he is exceptionally reluctant to take the described steps to get back on the "right side of morality." TIA.
Good talk guys.
*read in a stephen colbert voice*
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I guess I don't understand the difference between having unprotected sex at particular times with the intent to not have a child (acceptable) and using a much more effective method like the pill/condoms/etc. (unacceptable)?
God.
Yeah seems kind of weird that the Almighty's will could be stopped via reservoir tip.
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where did you come up with these views? i mean, i understand all the gay stuff is biblely, but even evangelical christians view non procreational sex as a gift from god to be shared in a marriage.
lol I think I might have misrepresented or maybe you misunderstood when I said procreation. I don't mean for your only intention during sex or for sex to be to make a baby.
I simply mean that you need to leave the possibility open whenever you do have sex. (Which can be whenever suits you and your spouse) There is no limit or certain times or anything of that nature as long as when you do it, it gives the possibility for life.
Can you still screw at age 60 even though there is no chance of procreation?
And have you told us why these seemingly inconsistent rules are part of your beliefs? Is it god?
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Gays can't have sex because they aren't helping the Catholic plan to destroy the earth through overpopulation
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This God guy sounds like a real pervert to have spent this much time thinking about splooging.
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what about that small chance that birth control is ineffective? does that leave enough room for jesus to slip by?
what about a guy who was troubled in his youth and got the snip, but now he's repented and bangs his wife nightly, is that immoral also?
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what about that small chance that birth control is ineffective? does that leave enough room for jesus to slip by?
what about a guy who was troubled in his youth and got the snip, but now he's repented and bangs his wife nightly, is that immoral also?
Your first instance is still an artificial attempt to prevent pregnancy. You don't get points just cause it didn't work.
In the second one, if he really thinks he made a bad decision, he could get the vasectomy reversed.
intentionally dodging ovulation seems like pretty much the exact same thing as birth control, the intent is to have sex without getting knocked up, and the chances of it happening are about the same
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I appreciate your effort to sustain a good faith defense of your beliefs against such an onslaught.
Don't be surprised if the official church doctrine on these issues changes in your lifetime, though.
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Way to stand strong in your beliefs oaf. I don't agree with you, but I appreciate you staying in the line of fire so long. I find it funny that so many care what oaf thinks, and try to convince him his personal beliefs are wrong. Does anybody else see the irony in the last several pages of discourse?
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Way to stand strong in your beliefs oaf. I don't agree with you, but I appreciate you staying in the line of fire so long. I find it funny that so many care what oaf thinks, and try to convince him his personal beliefs are wrong. Does anybody else see the irony in the last several pages of discourse?
the ol' "you're intolerant of my racism/homophobia" defense
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Way to stand strong in your beliefs oaf. I don't agree with you, but I appreciate you staying in the line of fire so long. I find it funny that so many care what oaf thinks, and try to convince him his personal beliefs are wrong. Does anybody else see the irony in the last several pages of discourse?
just trying to tease out what exactly he was trying to communicate. this was actually very tame by gE standards.
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Way to stand strong in your beliefs oaf. I don't agree with you, but I appreciate you staying in the line of fire so long. I find it funny that so many care what oaf thinks, and try to convince him his personal beliefs are wrong. Does anybody else see the irony in the last several pages of discourse?
the ol' "you're intolerant of my racism/homophobia" defense
or religion
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yes, everyone applaud the guy who came out against the "gay lifestyle" and didn't waver in his disfavor for it in the face of terrible and unfair ridicule.
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One thing is sure, I am not reading the last 5 rough ridin' pages of this goddamn thread.
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Way to stand strong in your beliefs oaf. I don't agree with you, but I appreciate you staying in the line of fire so long. I find it funny that so many care what oaf thinks, and try to convince him his personal beliefs are wrong. Does anybody else see the irony in the last several pages of discourse?
the ol' "you're intolerant of my racism/homophobia" defense
or religion
that's the best of all. The "I'm not a bigot, my religion is" defense. Completely bullet proof.
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One thing is sure, I am not reading the last 5 rough ridin' pages of this goddamn thread.
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that's what i said earlier until pete hit that grand slam
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One thing is sure, I am not reading the last 5 rough ridin' pages of this goddamn thread.
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You should, it's pretty entertaining
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Being strong in the face of opposition is all well and good, but really it just comes down to the reality that everything he is saying is rough ridin' ridiculous. No rational person could see it any other way. He's quoting ancient peoples misguided beliefs that are completely inapplicable today and worse, slow down human progress and commonly contain themes of racism and homophobia. It's rough ridin' useless dribble. It's totally fine to call people out on that.
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yes, everyone applaud the guy who came out against the "gay lifestyle" and didn't waver in his disfavor for it in the face of terrible and unfair ridicule.
i realize he means it more as a "love the sinner/hate the sin"-type thing, but putting homosexuality, a clear non-choice, in the same bin with choices like lying, cheating, etc. is an absolutely repugnant equivocation.
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Oaf, I am curious what you will do if the church doctrine changes to allow the wanton spilling of seed. Will you change your beliefs or find a new doctrine?
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yes, everyone applaud the guy who came out against the "gay lifestyle" and didn't waver in his disfavor for it in the face of terrible and unfair ridicule.
i realize he means it more as a "love the sinner/hate the sin"-type thing, but putting homosexuality, a clear non-choice, in the same bin with choices like lying, cheating, etc. is an absolutely repugnant equivocation.
standing strong, tho
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Yeah, the discussion got aggressive with the whole "those gays and their humpy lifestyle choices" position.
Catholics change their beliefs on sex with the seasons. But I would like to see the bible passages that invoke the rhythm method.
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yes, everyone applaud the guy who came out against the "gay lifestyle" and didn't waver in his disfavor for it in the face of terrible and unfair ridicule.
i realize he means it more as a "love the sinner/hate the sin"-type thing, but putting homosexuality, a clear non-choice, in the same bin with choices like lying, cheating, etc. is an absolutely repugnant equivocation.
standing strong, tho
Congrats on still being an bad person even in the face of people trying to get you to be less of an bad person.
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THIS THREAD IS MAKING EVEN KATDADDY BLUSH! :horrorsurprise:
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THIS THREAD IS MAKING EVEN KATDADDY BLUSH! :horrorsurprise:
petedaddy, amirite?
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My uncles are pretty religious even after their original church shaming them. I love that they stay strong to their beliefs and "their lifestyle" even tho others disagree with it. They also fought for you in the gulf. :D I hope god doesn't judge them for staying warm at night together over there.
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My uncles are pretty religious even after their original church shaming them. I love that they stay strong to their beliefs and "their lifestyle" even tho others disagree with it. They also fought for you in the gulf. :D I hope god doesn't judge them for staying warm at night together over there.
I think god only judges them for the lack of intent to create zygotes.
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THIS THREAD IS MAKING EVEN KATDADDY BLUSH! :horrorsurprise:
petedaddy, amirite?
more like oh pete, oh pete, peter, more peter on momma!
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My uncles are pretty religious even after their original church shaming them. I love that they stay strong to their beliefs and "their lifestyle" even tho others disagree with it. They also fought for you in the gulf. :D I hope god doesn't judge them for staying warm at night together over there.
I bet you're grateful it's not genetic. fixed sp
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I guessing katdaddy meant genetic, which is good because it should make this thread awesome.
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I guessing katdaddy meant genetic, which is good because it should make this thread awesome.
Yes, yes genetic. :cheers:
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Yeah, the discussion got aggressive with the whole "those gays and their humpy lifestyle choices" position.
Catholics change their beliefs on sex with the seasons. But I would like to see the bible passages that invoke the rhythm method.
Would read
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I guessing katdaddy meant genetic, which is good because it should make this thread awesome.
Yes, yes genetic. :cheers:
Honestly, him and his friends seem to have the happiest relationships that I know of. I'm sure that would have been a nice twist in the gE community if I turned out in that direction. They're really fun you guise!
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I guessing katdaddy meant genetic, which is good because it should make this thread awesome.
Yes, yes genetic. :cheers:
Honestly, him and his friends seem to have the happiest relationships that I know of. I'm sure that would have been a nice twist in the gE community if I turned out in that direction. They're really fun you guise!
There's still time!
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:surprised:
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I suppose it's true being gay could be seen as a burden because of the societal pressures, but on the plus side you smell much, much better than the average man, and have much better taste in almost everything. The guy who cuts my hair is gay and I've learned more from him than pretty much every straight guy friend I've ever had put together.
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:surprised:
looks like you're going to need to grow eyes in the back of your head, for safety sake, now that you came out. :blush:
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I suppose it's true being gay could be seen as a burden because of the societal pressures, but on the plus side you smell much, much better than the average man, and have much better taste in almost everything. The guy who cuts my hair is gay and I've learned more from him than pretty much every straight guy friend I've ever had put together.
They have more $ too and are the best wing-mans alive.
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I suppose it's true being gay could be seen as a burden because of the societal pressures, but on the plus side you smell much, much better than the average man, and have much better taste in almost everything. The guy who cuts my hair is gay and I've learned more from him than pretty much every straight guy friend I've ever had put together.
They have more $ too and are the best wing-mans alive.
Yes. Typically great senses of humor and understand women much more than any straight man does.
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I suppose it's true being gay could be seen as a burden because of the societal pressures, but on the plus side you smell much, much better than the average man, and have much better taste in almost everything. The guy who cuts my hair is gay and I've learned more from him than pretty much every straight guy friend I've ever had put together.
They have more $ too and are the best wing-mans alive.
Yes. Typically great senses of humor and understand women much more than any straight man does.
YUP!
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You guys are doing an awful lot of stereotyping right now :nono:
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my little sister is gay and has terrible hair fwiw. not rich either.
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Plenty of gay dudes are hairy smelly misogynistic lumberjack truckdrivers.
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You guys are doing an awful lot of stereotyping right now :nono:
Just sharing life experiences bud.
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they
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Plenty of gay dudes are hairy smelly misogynistic lumberjack truckdrivers.
Hey, quit talking about brother-in-law. He's on his fourth wife; and I don't know when he'll get off. :surprised:
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my little sister is gay and has terrible hair fwiw. not rich either.
Is she really sarcastic?
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my little sister is gay and has terrible hair fwiw. not rich either.
Is she really sarcastic?
not particularly
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Ok. I bet she's cool tho.
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The belief that one man rough ridin' another man in the ass is perfectly normal is no more or less dogmatic than the belief it is not. All of you should shut up and leave each other alone.
The only ridiculous thing going on in this thread is a so-called moderator aggressively attacking a user based on said moderator's personal views of others views of homosexuality. Moderating discourse into the current denigrated state, how perverse.
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You guys are doing an awful lot of stereotyping right now :nono:
Just sharing life experiences bud.
Yeah. Don't be a dumbass about it.
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GAY PEOPLE CAN ALSO HAVE A VARIETY OF PERSONALITIES AND HOBBIES AND SO-FORTH, IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING GUYZ
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GAY PEOPLE CAN ALSO HAVE A VARIETY OF PERSONALITIES AND HOBBIES AND SO-FORTH, IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING GUYZ
Stop stereotyping gay people, you cocksucker.
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FSD, are you trying to get this sent to the pit?!
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FSD, are you trying to get this sent to the pit?!
No, but other than my post about how Sam is slow and weak, it's probably where it belongs.
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GAY PEOPLE CAN ALSO HAVE A VARIETY OF PERSONALITIES AND HOBBIES AND SO-FORTH, IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING GUYZ
Stop stereotyping gay people, you cocksucker.
Sorry!
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The belief that one man rough ridin' another man in the ass is perfectly normal is no more or less dogmatic than the belief it is not. All of you should shut up and leave each other alone.
The only ridiculous thing going on in this thread is a so-called moderator aggressively attacking a user based on said moderator's personal views of others views of homosexuality. Moderating discourse into the current denigrated state, how perverse.
I think the mod was attacking bigoted views on homosexuality.
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The belief that one man rough ridin' another man in the ass is perfectly normal is no more or less dogmatic than the belief it is not. All of you should shut up and leave each other alone.
The only ridiculous thing going on in this thread is a so-called moderator aggressively attacking a user based on said moderator's personal views of others views of homosexuality. Moderating discourse into the current denigrated state, how perverse.
I think the mod was attacking bigoted views on homosexuality.
You clearly don't know the meaning of the following words:
Think
Moderator
Bigot
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The belief that one man rough ridin' another man in the ass is perfectly normal is no more or less dogmatic than the belief it is not. All of you should shut up and leave each other alone.
The only ridiculous thing going on in this thread is a so-called moderator aggressively attacking a user based on said moderator's personal views of others views of homosexuality. Moderating discourse into the current denigrated state, how perverse.
I think the mod was attacking bigoted views on homosexuality.
You clearly don't know the meaning of the following words:
Think
Moderator
Bigot
He was just stating his opinion. What are you even butthurt about
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You're talking about normal or not normal. Most straight guys who stand up for gay rights aren't doing so because of what they think is normal or not normal, it's the simple fact that discriminating against a entire group of human beings whose activities have literally no effect on your own life because of either
A. it was written in an old book
B. families values or whatever
C. it's gross
D. All the above
are all terrible reasons that just make you seem like an bad person that wastes his time hating things that have zero effect on him, and the world certainly does not need any more assholes.
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You're talking about normal or not normal. Most straight guys who stand up for gay rights aren't doing so because of what they think is normal or not normal, it's the simple fact that discriminating against a entire group of human beings whose activities have literally no effect on your own life because of either
A. it was written in an old book
B. families values or whatever
C. it's gross
D. All the above
are all terrible reasons that just make you seem like an bad person that wastes his time hating things that have zero effect on him, and the world certainly does not need any more assholes.
According to this logic, you yourself are an bad person for "hating" someone just because they believe something that you disagree with and has no effect on your life. So shut up and stop acting like a dumbass.
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You're talking about normal or not normal. Most straight guys who stand up for gay rights aren't doing so because of what they think is normal or not normal, it's the simple fact that discriminating against a entire group of human beings whose activities have literally no effect on your own life because of either
A. it was written in an old book
B. families values or whatever
C. it's gross
D. All the above
are all terrible reasons that just make you seem like an bad person that wastes his time hating things that have zero effect on him, and the world certainly does not need any more assholes.
According to this logic, you yourself are an bad person for "hating" someone just because they believe something that you disagree with and has no effect on your life. So shut up and stop acting like a dumbass.
Go masterbate or something, guy.
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Disagreeing with another's decisions in no way, shape, or form insinuates bigotry. I can disagree with tons of beliefs, but it doesn't mean I should or would treat them any differently than my best friend or family member. Why is that so difficult for some to comprehend.
So far, the biggest example of bigotry is coming from those in favor of homosexuality. How can you not see the irony in this? I believe that above all else is love, and even though I don't agree with you, I should still try to love you with all of my heart and hope for the best for you. It is easy to lump religious believers into an intolerant, unintelligent, non-progressive box. Yet many also lump homosexuals into a nice, neat box also. How is that any different than what you're actively condemning?
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Disagreeing with another's decisions in no way, shape, or form insinuates bigotry. I can disagree with tons of beliefs, but it doesn't mean I should or would treat them any differently than my best friend or family member. Why is that so difficult for some to comprehend.
So far, the biggest example of bigotry is coming from those in favor of homosexuality. How can you not see the irony in this? I believe that above all else is love, and even though I don't agree with you, I should still try to love you with all of my heart and hope for the best for you. It is easy to lump religious believers into an intolerant, unintelligent, non-progressive box. Yet many also lump homosexuals into a nice, neat box also. How is that any different than what you're actively condemning?
Say I'm a gay 16 year old kid. If I'm being raised by a "love the sinner, hate the sin" parent, I'm being told that I'm not good enough. Then I have to go to church with said parent and hear comments, sermons, etc. about how there is something wrong with me because I'm gay. I go to school, and kids make fun of me because I'm gay (after hearing their parents and church talk about how it is a sin). I read message board threads that talk about how my sexuality is the equivalent to lying, cheating, and stealing. People make comparisons between premarital sex and homosexuality, without acknowledging the fact that I likely can't get married, but the abstinent couple will be able to go at it like rabbits once they sign that piece of paper. Oh, and since these people all believe that God makes everyone, it is clear that either God hated me when I was still in the womb or that I'm choosing the most brutal "lifestyle" imaginable.
That gay kid doesn't affect your life because he is gay. People standing up for gay rights don't affect your life. You "disagreeing" with the homosexuality? THAT actually affects people who are often struggling from all of the BS thrown their way simply for being themselves.
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Disagreeing with another's decisions in no way, shape, or form insinuates bigotry. I can disagree with tons of beliefs, but it doesn't mean I should or would treat them any differently than my best friend or family member. Why is that so difficult for some to comprehend.
So far, the biggest example of bigotry is coming from those in favor of homosexuality. How can you not see the irony in this? I believe that above all else is love, and even though I don't agree with you, I should still try to love you with all of my heart and hope for the best for you. It is easy to lump religious believers into an intolerant, unintelligent, non-progressive box. Yet many also lump homosexuals into a nice, neat box also. How is that any different than what you're actively condemning?
I bet you just sit around all day and think of gay sex... It's ok dude, gE will accept you
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So far, the biggest example of bigotry is coming from those in favor of homosexuality.
we should do a vote and everyone "in favor of homosexuality" raises their hand.
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I'm in favor of people who are willing to look at an issue from a viewpoint other than their own and show respect to the person that holds that viewpoint.
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Love the 'I don't hate gays, just the lifestyle' people
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Classic stuff, there. Don't think it can be universally applied, though.
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I'm in favor of people who are willing to look at an issue from a viewpoint other than their own and show respect to the person that holds that viewpoint.
Me, too....but not when someone else's viewpoint is that there is something wrong/sinful/evil/disgusting about being gay.
Disclaimer: I am not gay. My son IS gay. It is difficult to watch people treat him like crap because of that fact.
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I am mostly fascinated by oaf's anti gay position: it wasnt that the bible or god has any problem with gays specifically, it is purely based on intended gamete landing site. Not something I had heard before.
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I am mostly fascinated by oaf's anti gay position: it wasnt that the bible or god has any problem with gays specifically, it is purely based on intended gamete landing site. Not something I had heard before.
Was that his final position? I thought it changed a couple of times.
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I'm in favor of people who are willing to look at an issue from a viewpoint other than their own and show respect to the person that holds that viewpoint.
Me, too....but not when someone else's viewpoint is that there is something wrong/sinful/evil/disgusting about being gay.
Disclaimer: I am not gay. My son IS gay. It is difficult to watch people treat him like crap because of that fact.
you need to be more tolerant of their intolerance
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Disagreeing with another's decisions in no way, shape, or form insinuates bigotry. I can disagree with tons of beliefs, but it doesn't mean I should or would treat them any differently than my best friend or family member. Why is that so difficult for some to comprehend.
So far, the biggest example of bigotry is coming from those in favor of homosexuality. How can you not see the irony in this? I believe that above all else is love, and even though I don't agree with you, I should still try to love you with all of my heart and hope for the best for you. It is easy to lump religious believers into an intolerant, unintelligent, non-progressive box. Yet many also lump homosexuals into a nice, neat box also. How is that any different than what you're actively condemning?
except that his bigotry slants towards discrimination and social injustice whereas ours doesn't. i don't live in a society that denies civil rights to religious people, i live in one that denies them to gay people.
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The belief that one man rough ridin' another man in the ass is perfectly normal is no more or less dogmatic than the belief it is not. All of you should shut up and leave each other alone.
The only ridiculous thing going on in this thread is a so-called moderator aggressively attacking a user based on said moderator's personal views of others views of homosexuality. Moderating discourse into the current denigrated state, how perverse.
I think the mod was attacking bigoted views on homosexuality.
You clearly don't know the meaning of the following words:
Think
Moderator
Bigot
I appreciate that all your arguments are so easy to dominate.
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For the bible thumpers who use that for the reason why they think it's wrong. Think of it this way. We've evolved as a society through time. I like to think my god has as well. :gocho: Get a little bit better everyday, you know?
CASE CLOSED!
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:lol:
sometimes, I wish I had a signature move.
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:lol:
sometimes, I wish I had a signature move.
yeah. wacky's is really, really good
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:)
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Wait, what if I have an erotic dream and...you know....did I sin?
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Wait, what if I have an erotic dream and...you know....did I sin?
Were you dreaming of procreating with a woman?
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Wait, what if I have an erotic dream and...you know....did I sin?
I think if you were sleeping next to your wife, you could try to inseminate her while she sleeps, but otherwise, it's off to confession.
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'stone as we evolve as human beings, god evolves. He's down with the wet dreams now. It's ok, he knows you can't help it.
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Wait, what if I have an erotic dream and...you know....did I sin?
I think if you were sleeping next to your wife, you could try to inseminate her while she sleeps, but otherwise, it's off to confession.
i think if you put your sheets in the freezer until your wife was intending to ovulate you would be fine
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'stone as we evolve as human beings, god evolves. He's down with the wet dreams now. It's ok, he knows you can't help it.
Just like homosexuals, he made me the way I am!
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I really hope god isn't a bigot. I would have to reevaluate some things.
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I really hope god isn't a bigot. I would have to reevaluate some things.
your "god" isn't real. I know it's tough to deal with but we'll get through this.
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I really hope god isn't a bigot. I would have to reevaluate some things.
your "god" isn't real. I know it's tough to deal with but we'll get through this.
I don't know what he did to you, but I hope you can grow from it, friend. ;)
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I really hope god isn't a bigot. I would have to reevaluate some things.
your "god" isn't real. I know it's tough to deal with but we'll get through this.
I don't know what he did to you, but I hope you can grow from it, friend. ;)
he didn't do anything because he doesn't exist.
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Oh. Cool. Hope you enjoy just dying. That sounds depressing. Either way, do your thing, i'll do mine.
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Oh. Cool. Hope you enjoy just dying. That sounds depressing. Either way, do your thing, i'll do mine.
If you're really planning on going to "heaven" when you die, I feel bad for you. Have a nice day!
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Oh. Cool. Hope you enjoy just dying. That sounds depressing. Either way, do your thing, i'll do mine.
If you're really planning on going to "heaven" when you die, I feel bad for you. Have a nice day!
I feel bad for you that you have no faith. Nothing to look forward to, accept dying. It's ok tho, my faith makes me a better person in the long haul (not compared to you). It gives me a valued structure that I can live by. Some need that, but continue to disrespect others viewpoints. I guess that makes you feel good inside. You might need that, like I need religion. :cheers:
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Crutch for the weak
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Crutch for the weak
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Crutch for the weak
Honestly, if you and ell had some faith in your lives, maybe you'd be better ppl and less dipshits to ppl. :dunno:
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Crutch for the weak
Honestly, if you and ell had some faith in your lives, maybe you'd be better ppl and less dipshits to ppl. :dunno:
What do you have "faith" in and why does it make you a better person? Why would it make me a better person to believe in things that aren't true? It's pretty easy to know the difference between right and wrong and live life being a good person (which I am).
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You can't call youself "a good person" and harrass ppl for believing in things, dumbasses, narsasistic righteousness, etc. It doesn't work that way. To my point of view, I don't think you're a good person. I've gotten along w/ you IRL, but you feel the need to berate ppl on here for some reason. I have faith in a greater bean, that's ok, it's my right to believe in what I want to believe in. I don't think i'm better than anyone else tho.
Relax, it's Friday.
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P.S.- I love ppl who claim they're a good person. :love:
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I have faith in a greater bean
:lol:
i'm so sorry wacky but i had to
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Wacky thinks that to get to Heaven you have to climb a beanstalk like Jack and Beanstalk?
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:D
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I'm not changing it. I like it that way. :lol:
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You can't call youself "a good person" and harrass ppl for believing in things, dumbasses, narsasistic righteousness, etc. It doesn't work that way. To my point of view, I don't think you're a good person. I've gotten along w/ you IRL, but you feel the need to berate ppl on here for some reason. I have faith in a greater bean, that's ok, it's my right to believe in what I want to believe in. I don't think i'm better than anyone else tho.
Relax, it's Friday.
Correct, that is your right. I just want people to expand their minds and think about things logically instead of just believing every religious talking point that's been shoved down their throat since birth. I'm an incredible human being irl. If you come to the spring game or FF I'll buy you a beer and we'll probably become best friends. :cheers:
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:cheers: I'll be out of town for the Spring game, but hopefully fattyfest! :D
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why is it that god loves everyone but Catholics Hate the everloving Eff out of so many?
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why is it that god loves everyone but Catholics Hate the everloving Eff out of so many?
It's not just catholics. I think most churches create very judgmental people. Catholics do have the strangest reasoning for arriving at their beliefs out of all of the christian denominations, though, imo.
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agree on the not just catholics.
but still.
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I have faith in a greater bean
This bean?
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why is it that god loves everyone but Catholics Hate the everloving Eff out of so many?
Creating a false sense of entitlement is a very lucrative business.
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this thread really is one of the better examples of all-things g.E....PI'ing, social justice, and jokes all rolled into one. :thumbs:
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this thread really is one of the better examples of all-things g.E....PI'ing, social justice, and jokes all rolled into one. :thumbs:
and adorable misspellings!
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You can't call youself "a good person" and harrass ppl for believing in things, dumbasses, narsasistic righteousness, etc. It doesn't work that way. To my point of view, I don't think you're a good person. I've gotten along w/ you IRL, but you feel the need to berate ppl on here for some reason. I have faith in a greater bean, that's ok, it's my right to believe in what I want to believe in. I don't think i'm better than anyone else tho.
Relax, it's Friday.
Correct, that is your right. I just want people to expand their minds and think about things logically instead of just believing every religious talking point that's been shoved down their throat since birth. I'm an incredible human being irl. If you come to the spring game or FF I'll buy you a beer and we'll probably become best friends. :cheers:
What if wacky steals your "girlfriend"? :ohno:
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You can't call youself "a good person" and harrass ppl for believing in things, dumbasses, narsasistic righteousness, etc. It doesn't work that way. To my point of view, I don't think you're a good person. I've gotten along w/ you IRL, but you feel the need to berate ppl on here for some reason. I have faith in a greater bean, that's ok, it's my right to believe in what I want to believe in. I don't think i'm better than anyone else tho.
Relax, it's Friday.
Correct, that is your right. I just want people to expand their minds and think about things logically instead of just believing every religious talking point that's been shoved down their throat since birth. I'm an incredible human being irl. If you come to the spring game or FF I'll buy you a beer and we'll probably become best friends. :cheers:
What if wacky steals your "girlfriend"? :ohno:
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;)
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why is it that god loves everyone but Catholics Hate the everloving Eff out of so many?
Creating a false sense of entitlement is a very lucrative business.
Don't turn this into a anti-government thread.
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I'm in favor of people who are willing to look at an issue from a viewpoint other than their own and show respect to the person that holds that viewpoint.
Me, too....but not when someone else's viewpoint is that there is something wrong/sinful/evil/disgusting about being gay.
Disclaimer: I am not gay. My son IS gay. It is difficult to watch people treat him like crap because of that fact.
you need to be more tolerant of their intolerance
Stellarcat, why did you assume I was talking about the people on one side of the discussion and not the other? If oaf had looked from a different viewpoint, I don't think he would have used the term "gay lifestyle". He seems like a thoughtful guy though, so I'll bet he doesn't use it again. I also respect that he has his own sense of morality and how he didn't ask anyone else to adhere to it.
I would think you would be more offended by the discussion about how "they" make good wing men and fashion designers.
Your son is incredibly fortunate to have a parent that knows he's gay and is supportive. I hope his other parent is also aware and supportive. Best wishes to all of you and thank god your son does not have Michael Sam's father.
Btw, you're not the only one on this board that deals close to home with being gay.
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Stellarcat, why did you assume I was talking about the people on one side of the discussion and not the other?
I didn't assume anything, actually. Your quote just seemed like a good jumping off point in the thread for me to make my statement.
I also respect that he has his own sense of morality and how he didn't ask anyone else to adhere to it.
This is where I take issue with a lot of people (not Oaf specifically). Gay people aren't telling others that it is wrong to be straight, yet people think it is cool to tell them that they are wrong for being gay. I think the acceptance vs. intolerance line seems to be directly related to whether or not you think that being gay is a choice. It also seems outlandish to me to believe that someone would wake up one day and think, "Hey, I choose to have sex with other men. That seems like the lifestyle that I want to lead!" And yes, I'm using men in this scenario, because women seem to be a lot less freaked out by close contact with other women. We generally don't slap each other on the ass during sports, though. Hmmmm.
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Correct, that is your right. I just want people to expand their minds and think about things logically instead of just believing every religious talking point that's been shoved down their throat since birth. I'm an incredible human being irl. If you come to the spring game or FF I'll buy you a beer and we'll probably become best friends. :cheers:
Help me to think logically
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I also respect that he has his own sense of morality
describe his "sense of morality" to me in respect to homosexuality and what about it you respect. this is me trying to understand, not be an bad person.
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Moral disagreement with homosexuality = bigotry
moral disagreement with abortion = war on woman
Bill Clinton = hero
Christian = belief in some fictional old book
Islam = cultural right to stone homosexuality to death and denigrate women
It all adds up
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Moral disagreement with homosexuality = bigotry
moral disagreement with abortion = war on woman
Bill Clinton = hero
Christian = belief in some fictional old book
Islam = cultural right to stone homosexuality to death and denigrate women
It all adds up
good grief
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:lol:
Just so stupid.
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Tuck wiener and run
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looks like hippocraticoaf here is in the pocket of BIG BASAL THERMOMETER
late, but omg
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I also respect that he has his own sense of morality
describe his "sense of morality" to me in respect to homosexuality and what about it you respect. this is me trying to understand, not be an bad person.
He described his sense of morality in quite a bit of detail on his own. He lost me when he was drawn in to the particularities of sexual intercourse, but I understood that he believes that sex outside of marriage is immoral, whether gay or straight, and that is not a far fetched belief.
Nonetheless, I said I respect that he HAS his own sense of morality. Meaning that I have respect for someone who comes on here, states what he believes and doesn't just repeat what you, limestone and a few others have already said multiple times. I respect that you have your own sense of morality, too. I don't respect those who just repeat what you've already said when I don't get the sense that they've thought about it any further than "I think SD is cool so I'll adopt his opinion and call everyone else a bigot because that's what SD does".
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I also respect that he has his own sense of morality
describe his "sense of morality" to me in respect to homosexuality and what about it you respect. this is me trying to understand, not be an bad person.
He described his sense of morality in quite a bit of detail on his own. He lost me when he was drawn in to the particularities of sexual intercourse, but I understood that he believes that sex outside of marriage is immoral, whether gay or straight, and that is not a far fetched belief.
Nonetheless, I said I respect that he HAS his own sense of morality. Meaning that I have respect for someone who comes on here, states what he believes and doesn't just repeat what you, limestone and a few others have already said multiple times. I respect that you have your own sense of morality, too. I don't respect those who just repeat what you've already said when I don't get the sense that they've thought about it any further than "I think SD is cool so I'll adopt his opinion and call everyone else a bigot because that's what SD does".
yeah, i mean no one would just arrive to the conclusion that being gay is ok on their on!
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I also respect that he has his own sense of morality
describe his "sense of morality" to me in respect to homosexuality and what about it you respect. this is me trying to understand, not be an bad person.
He described his sense of morality in quite a bit of detail on his own. He lost me when he was drawn in to the particularities of sexual intercourse, but I understood that he believes that sex outside of marriage is immoral, whether gay or straight, and that is not a far fetched belief.
Nonetheless, I said I respect that he HAS his own sense of morality. Meaning that I have respect for someone who comes on here, states what he believes and doesn't just repeat what you, limestone and a few others have already said multiple times. I respect that you have your own sense of morality, too. I don't respect those who just repeat what you've already said when I don't get the sense that they've thought about it any further than "I think SD is cool so I'll adopt his opinion and call everyone else a bigot because that's what SD does".
so you don't respect his morals per se, just that he has morals of his own? and you think most of the people posting in this thread don't have their own and are just parroting what I say?
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I also respect that he has his own sense of morality
describe his "sense of morality" to me in respect to homosexuality and what about it you respect. this is me trying to understand, not be an bad person.
He described his sense of morality in quite a bit of detail on his own. He lost me when he was drawn in to the particularities of sexual intercourse, but I understood that he believes that sex outside of marriage is immoral, whether gay or straight, and that is not a far fetched belief.
Nonetheless, I said I respect that he HAS his own sense of morality. Meaning that I have respect for someone who comes on here, states what he believes and doesn't just repeat what you, limestone and a few others have already said multiple times. I respect that you have your own sense of morality, too. I don't respect those who just repeat what you've already said when I don't get the sense that they've thought about it any further than "I think SD is cool so I'll adopt his opinion and call everyone else a bigot because that's what SD does".
yeah, i mean no one would just arrive to the conclusion that being gay is ok on their on!
"They" definitely make good wing men and fashion designers from what I hear.
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I mean, your view on whose sense of morality you will accept as their own and whose you will assume is just their following steve dave is building the crap out of my ego. I thank you for that. (this was sarcasm, still trying to understand and not be an bad person!)
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Steve Dave...next week is looking super busy for me. Could you give us the list of next week's talking points early? Thx
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Oops, disregard lol. That was supposed to be a pm. MY BAD!
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I also respect that he has his own sense of morality
describe his "sense of morality" to me in respect to homosexuality and what about it you respect. this is me trying to understand, not be an bad person.
He described his sense of morality in quite a bit of detail on his own. He lost me when he was drawn in to the particularities of sexual intercourse, but I understood that he believes that sex outside of marriage is immoral, whether gay or straight, and that is not a far fetched belief.
Nonetheless, I said I respect that he HAS his own sense of morality. Meaning that I have respect for someone who comes on here, states what he believes and doesn't just repeat what you, limestone and a few others have already said multiple times. I respect that you have your own sense of morality, too. I don't respect those who just repeat what you've already said when I don't get the sense that they've thought about it any further than "I think SD is cool so I'll adopt his opinion and call everyone else a bigot because that's what SD does".
so you don't respect his morals per se, just that he has morals of his own? and you think most of the people posting in this thread don't have their own and are just parroting what I say?
Not sure what "respecting morals per se" really means. I have my own sense of morals and it is probably different from yours. Yes I think a number of people on here form their opinion (or at least voice an opinion on here) based on what will get approval from you.
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I also respect that he has his own sense of morality
describe his "sense of morality" to me in respect to homosexuality and what about it you respect. this is me trying to understand, not be an bad person.
He described his sense of morality in quite a bit of detail on his own. He lost me when he was drawn in to the particularities of sexual intercourse, but I understood that he believes that sex outside of marriage is immoral, whether gay or straight, and that is not a far fetched belief.
Nonetheless, I said I respect that he HAS his own sense of morality. Meaning that I have respect for someone who comes on here, states what he believes and doesn't just repeat what you, limestone and a few others have already said multiple times. I respect that you have your own sense of morality, too. I don't respect those who just repeat what you've already said when I don't get the sense that they've thought about it any further than "I think SD is cool so I'll adopt his opinion and call everyone else a bigot because that's what SD does".
so you don't respect his morals per se, just that he has morals of his own? and you think most of the people posting in this thread don't have their own and are just parroting what I say?
Not sure what "respecting morals per se" really means. I have my own sense of morals and it is probably different from yours. Yes I think a number of people on here form their opinion (or at least voice an opinion on here) based on what will get approval from you.
it means you don't respect what his morals are but just the fact he has his own. would you respect him having his own no matter what they were or just having his own that are these specific morals? like, say he said he doesn't like the japanese because when they have sex it makes god cry. would that get your equal respect? would you defend him from people who ridiculed him for that because he had his independent "morality"? would anyone who did just be following steve dave to be cool?
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I can't even fathom how hollow a person has to be inside to have no comprehension of morality. Nor can a fathom how incredibly stupid a person has to be to not understand what morality is. So sad. I understand that it's difficult for some people to have an honest and open conversation about morality, maturity and what not, but that's obviously not the issue here.
Reli-jellies pray for this person
Reli-bigots attack with your predictable snide fervor
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Have I riled up BOTH sd and fsd?
Sd, "no" to all your questions. I respect someone's individual sense of morality if it is consistent with what generally makes people "good". I think there is a basis of morality for society, but there are some gray areas around the edges where individuals develop their own sense of morality within the gray areas.
I understood oaf's stance as people don't choose which gender they are naturally attracted to, but people have a moral obligation to control their urges. He said that there is nothing wrong with "being" gay but homosexual sex is equally immoral as heterosexual sex outside of marriage. I don't have to agree with that to think it is not a far fetched belief. It's the hate sin/love sinner scenario as someone already pointed out. That's a tough position to hold with regard to homosexuality because most people can't, in reality or in practice, make the distinction. I don't think oaf is a hateful person and he seems sincere so I give him the benefit of the doubt that he can make the distinction, or at least do his best. If I'm wrong about that, you and the rest are right to attack him.
FSD, I have no idea what you said. If that makes me stupid I'll have to live with that.
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Moral disagreement with homosexuality = bigotry
moral disagreement with abortion = war on woman
Bill Clinton = hero
Christian = belief in some fictional old book
Islam = cultural right to stone homosexuality to death and denigrate women
It all adds up
The Christians who follow the part of the bible that says "love your fellow man regardless of what they do and let God worry about judging them" are fantastic people. The ones who dig up parts of the bible that give them a license to hate others are weak minded losers.
Same thing about Islam but sub in Koran for bible and Allah for god in the above sentence.
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DC,
I believe you are trying to have an honest discussion on morality. You need to realize that is not possible when the people you are engaging have no concept of what that means.
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I'm actually more interested in discussing whether someone is per se a bigot if he/she believes homosexual sex is immoral. I don't think so, but I also know that there is plenty of evidence that people can't make the distinction between the act and the person, and if they can't, they are a bigot.
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DC,
I believe you are trying to have an honest discussion on morality. You need to realize that is not possible when the people you are engaging have no concept of what that means.
Religion differs from morality or a moral system in that it includes stories about events in the past, usually about supernatural beings, that are used to explain or justify the behavior that it prohibits or requires. Sometimes there is no distinction made between a moral code and a code of conduct put forward by a religion, and there is often a considerable overlap in the conduct prohibited or required by religion and that prohibited or required by morality. But religions may prohibit or require more than is prohibited or required by guides to behavior that are explicitly labeled as moral guides, and may allow some behavior that is prohibited by morality. Sometimes morality is regarded as the code of conduct that is put forward by religion, but even when this is not the case, morality is thought by many to need some religious explanation and justification. However, just as with law, some religious practices and precepts are criticized on moral grounds, e.g., discrimination on the basis of race, gender, or sexual orientation. Morality is only a guide to conduct, whereas religion is always more than this.
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I'm actually more interested in discussing whether someone is per se a bigot if he/she believes homosexual sex is immoral. I don't think so, but I also know that there is plenty of evidence that people can't make the distinction between the act and the person, and if they can't, they are a bigot.
I think people can believe whatever they want and not necessarily be a bigot. It is the acts of condemning people, being hateful to people and enforcing those views on someone else that make them a bigot.
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I'm actually more interested in discussing whether someone is per se a bigot if he/she believes homosexual sex is immoral. I don't think so, but I also know that there is plenty of evidence that people can't make the distinction between the act and the person, and if they can't, they are a bigot.
Would you shower in a locker room with someone you knew was gay? Would you let your son be on a baseball team where it was known that the head coach was gay?
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I'm actually more interested in discussing whether someone is per se a bigot if he/she believes homosexual sex is immoral. I don't think so, but I also know that there is plenty of evidence that people can't make the distinction between the act and the person, and if they can't, they are a bigot.
I think people can believe whatever they want and not necessarily be a bigot. It is the acts of condemning people, being hateful to people and enforcing those views on someone else that make them a bigot.
Is oaf a bigot? I thought that's how he was treated. I could have been reading too much into some of the posts.
Paul, are those questions to me? If so, lol of course.
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I'm actually more interested in discussing whether someone is per se a bigot if he/she believes homosexual sex is immoral. I don't think so, but I also know that there is plenty of evidence that people can't make the distinction between the act and the person, and if they can't, they are a bigot.
I think people can believe whatever they want and not necessarily be a bigot. It is the acts of condemning people, being hateful to people and enforcing those views on someone else that make them a bigot.
Is oaf a bigot? I thought that's how he was treated. I could have been reading too much into some of the posts.
Paul, are those questions to me? If so, lol of course.
I don't think anybody called oaf a bigot. They may have inferred it, but oaf inferred it just as much. Most of the discussion was on the morality of having sex without the pure intent of procreation, yet it somehow being okay intentionally only have sex when the odds are at their worst. It just makes no sense from any logical standpoint.
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Who the eff is oaf?
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I'm actually more interested in discussing whether someone is per se a bigot if he/she believes homosexual sex is immoral. I don't think so, but I also know that there is plenty of evidence that people can't make the distinction between the act and the person, and if they can't, they are a bigot.
Would you shower in a locker room with someone you knew was gay? Would you let your son be on a baseball team where it was known that the head coach was gay?
I'm not sure where you're trying to go with these questions, but anyone who would let their daughter play on a team with a male coach but not want their son on a team with a gay coach is definitely bigoted. Gay does not equal pedophile no matter what some would have you believe.
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I'm actually more interested in discussing whether someone is per se a bigot if he/she believes homosexual sex is immoral. I don't think so, but I also know that there is plenty of evidence that people can't make the distinction between the act and the person, and if they can't, they are a bigot.
Would you shower in a locker room with someone you knew was gay? Would you let your son be on a baseball team where it was known that the head coach was gay?
yes and yes. what would you be worried about happening?
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If a female finds you attractive, you don't have to have sex with her. Same is true with a male. I think some struggle with that distinction.
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If a female finds you attractive, you don't have to have sex with her. Same is true with a male. I think some struggle with that distinction.
It's extremely hard not to do tho. :dunno:
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So everyone here would advocate for coed locker rooms right?
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So everyone here would advocate for coed locker rooms right?
Guys, I have it on pretty good authority that God was all but ready to be accepting of gays but just couldn't work out the locker room scenario so he said eff it and shut it all down.
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So everyone here would advocate for coed locker rooms right?
Guys, I have it on pretty good authority that God was all but ready to be accepting of gays but just couldn't work out the locker room scenario so he said eff it and shut it all down.
I don't believe in god. I also don't believe if you're uncomfortable with showering with someone that is attracted to your sex, that you are a bad person as a result. Group showering situations are pretty awkward to begin with.
It's not something that would bother me, but I could understand how it could bother someone regardless of their acceptance of homosexuals.
Not that I would change anything in a separate but equal way, except perhaps try to give more privacy in general (personal stalls, etc), which is a model most new schools are going to and is probably welcomed by just about everyone
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I also respect that he has his own sense of morality
describe his "sense of morality" to me in respect to homosexuality and what about it you respect. this is me trying to understand, not be an bad person.
He described his sense of morality in quite a bit of detail on his own. He lost me when he was drawn in to the particularities of sexual intercourse, but I understood that he believes that sex outside of marriage is immoral, whether gay or straight, and that is not a far fetched belief.
Nonetheless, I said I respect that he HAS his own sense of morality. Meaning that I have respect for someone who comes on here, states what he believes and doesn't just repeat what you, limestone and a few others have already said multiple times. I respect that you have your own sense of morality, too. I don't respect those who just repeat what you've already said when I don't get the sense that they've thought about it any further than "I think SD is cool so I'll adopt his opinion and call everyone else a bigot because that's what SD does".
i personally find it VERY interesting that you are willing to label un-named board members as SD parrots (and unworthy of your respect, see bolded text), yet you respect oaf for simply parroting catholic dogma. how do you know that he's spent even a minute questioning catholic doctrine on this issue?
i believe this is what religious people call one of those "speck of sawdust in brother's eye/plank in your eye" scenarios...
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So everyone here would advocate for coed locker rooms right?
Guys, I have it on pretty good authority that God was all but ready to be accepting of gays but just couldn't work out the locker room scenario so he said eff it and shut it all down.
I don't believe in god. I also don't believe if you're uncomfortable with showering with someone that is attracted to your sex, that you are a bad person as a result. Group showering situations are pretty awkward to begin with.
It's not something that would bother me, but I could understand how it could bother someone regardless of their acceptance of homosexuals.
Not that I would change anything in a separate but equal way, except perhaps try to give more privacy in general (personal stalls, etc), which is a model most new schools are going to and is probably welcomed by just about everyone
We are endowed with certain unalienable rights. Why are you so bothered by other peoples' endowments?
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Penises absolutely freighten ppl. I mean, you don't know what they are thinking or anything. You can't read them. Just impossible.
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I'm actually more interested in discussing whether someone is per se a bigot if he/she believes homosexual sex is immoral. I don't think so, but I also know that there is plenty of evidence that people can't make the distinction between the act and the person, and if they can't, they are a bigot.
Would you shower in a locker room with someone you knew was gay? Would you let your son be on a baseball team where it was known that the head coach was gay?
yes and yes. what would you be worried about happening?
Have you been following this thread at all guy? I'm obviously on team buhtsecks
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I'm actually more interested in discussing whether someone is per se a bigot if he/she believes homosexual sex is immoral. I don't think so, but I also know that there is plenty of evidence that people can't make the distinction between the act and the person, and if they can't, they are a bigot.
I think people can believe whatever they want and not necessarily be a bigot. It is the acts of condemning people, being hateful to people and enforcing those views on someone else that make them a bigot.
Is oaf a bigot? I thought that's how he was treated. I could have been reading too much into some of the posts.
Paul, are those questions to me? If so, lol of course.
Those questions were meant for you. And actually I'm somewhat surprised by your response. So its just the manner in which they have sex (talking butts here) that is immoral to you? The relationship doesn't bother you at all, just the physical consummation of it? Not trolling, generally interested.
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Totally team buttseks here guys, I mean whether it's a guy or a gal who doesn't enjoy buttseks?
This is a perfectly good hole we're talking about, not somebodys ear, not a lubed armpit, not some fetishy footjob, i'm talkin' good 'ole american buttwhole poking with the person I love. Although I will
Warn one time i puulled back a crock covered in a pile of poop and it was gross.
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i personally find it VERY interesting that you are willing to label un-named board members as SD parrots (and unworthy of your respect, see bolded text), yet you respect oaf for simply parroting catholic dogma. how do you know that he's spent even a minute questioning catholic doctrine on this issue?
i believe this is what religious people call one of those "speck of sawdust in brother's eye/plank in your eye" scenarios...
I assumed from the detail with which oaf could describe his belief that he had spent some time examining them and legitimately adopted them as his own. I certainly could be assuming too much about the posters on each side.
Paul, i'm curious how you came up with what you seem to assume is my stance on sex. The manner in which other people have sex isn't something I concern myself with.
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Morals regarding things that have no negative consequences for anyone are stupid and do not deserve respect.
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I also noticed that wacky was more directly confronted for saying he believed in god than he was for saying "they" have more money and make the best wing men. (Nod to puniraptor for at least a :nono:). Is most everyone okay with stereotyping and objectifying as long as it not based on a religious belief?
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I also noticed that wacky was more directly confronted for saying he believed in god than he was for saying "they" have more money and make the best wing men. (Nod to puniraptor for at least a :nono:). Is most everyone okay with stereotyping and objectifying as long as it not based on a religious belief?
Wacky is all over the board. But he is team #lovethyneighbor. The wingman/money comment is stupid and stereo typing but at least he doesn't equate their "lifestyle" with lying and stealing.
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I also noticed that wacky was more directly confronted for saying he believed in god than he was for saying "they" have more money and make the best wing men. (Nod to puniraptor for at least a :nono:). Is most everyone okay with stereotyping and objectifying as long as it not based on a religious belief?
Wacky was stereotyping comedically. Some of you are just lousy judgemental human beings.
Why does some fictitious book that has a leading fictitious character get so much credence in this world?
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Morals regarding things that have no negative consequences for anyone are stupid and do not deserve respect.
Good thing that isn't the case here. Negative consequence: It makes people feel icky
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Cong. Tim Huelskamp ?@CongHuelskamp Apr 28
#SlipperySlope is real: Lesbian Throuple gets “Married” http://goo.gl/YFNTBe #1M1W #MarriageAmendment
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Cong. Tim Huelskamp ?@CongHuelskamp Apr 28
#SlipperySlope is real: Lesbian Throuple gets “Married” http://goo.gl/YFNTBe #1M1W #MarriageAmendment
“We had specialist lawyers draw up paperwork so our assets are equally divided.”
Basically the far left counterpart to Kobach. I really hope the bus bench ad that this guy has in Mass says something about him "specializing in threeways".
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“It sometimes gets a bit too warm when you’re trying to sleep because there are three of us under the bed sheets,” she said.
Proof that marriage was only meant to be two ppl.
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The #slope gets #slippery when you start marrying lesbians.
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no way oaf is against lesbian 3 ways
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At this point isn't it basically 100% that Huelskamp has a ton of internet boyfriends?
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whose sock is tim huelskamp?
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whose sock is tim huelskamp?
There has to be a staffer, that absolutely hates him and is very intelligent, in charge of it.
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I like clicking on some of his hashtags and LOLing about how out of place they are. #YouCanMakeADifference was a good one. #SlipperySlope was nothing but Clippers comments with Tim's tweet thrown in the middle of it.
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whose sock is tim huelskamp?
There has to be a staffer, that absolutely hates him and is very intelligent, in charge of it.
that would be amazing
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I also respect that he has his own sense of morality
describe his "sense of morality" to me in respect to homosexuality and what about it you respect. this is me trying to understand, not be an bad person.
He described his sense of morality in quite a bit of detail on his own. He lost me when he was drawn in to the particularities of sexual intercourse, but I understood that he believes that sex outside of marriage is immoral, whether gay or straight, and that is not a far fetched belief.
Nonetheless, I said I respect that he HAS his own sense of morality. Meaning that I have respect for someone who comes on here, states what he believes and doesn't just repeat what you, limestone and a few others have already said multiple times. I respect that you have your own sense of morality, too. I don't respect those who just repeat what you've already said when I don't get the sense that they've thought about it any further than "I think SD is cool so I'll adopt his opinion and call everyone else a bigot because that's what SD does".
I am really late on this, but this really hurt me when I read it.
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My step brother is getting married to his partner of 10 yrs this June. They are planning on having the reception later at Bf parents home. Dad was kinda meh about it all but will not protest it. Stepmom was worried about the kids being confused about it. I told her it isn't an issue for my family but I'm not sure about the rest of the Bf bros and sis's families. We are all catholic so this event could cause some big turmoil in the Bf family. I hope everyone can just be happy for the newly weds and just have a good time.
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I told her it isn't an issue for my family but I'm not sure about the rest of the Bf bros and sis's families.
Do the right thing and make them fine with it.
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Also, has your dad or stepmom been divorced?
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My step brother is getting married to his partner of 10 yrs this June. They are planning on having the reception later at Bf parents home. Dad was kinda meh about it all but will not protest it. Stepmom was worried about the kids being confused about it. I told her it isn't an issue for my family but I'm not sure about the rest of the Bf bros and sis's families. We are all catholic so this event could cause some big turmoil in the Bf family. I hope everyone can just be happy for the newly weds and just have a good time.
Please keep us updated, I'm interested to see how it goes, no judging
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I am judging, fwiw
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Also, has your dad or stepmom been divorced?
No they both lost their spouses after tragedy struck. Mom died in a car crash and stepmom's husband died in an ag accident.
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Also, has your dad or stepmom been divorced?
No they both lost their spouses after tragedy struck. Mom died in a car crash and stepmom's husband died in an ag accident.
I'll still judge the crap out of anyone in your family that is anything less than supportive of your stepbro.
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Also, has your dad or stepmom been divorced?
No they both lost their spouses after tragedy struck. Mom died in a car crash and stepmom's husband died in an ag accident.
I'll still judge the crap out of anyone in your family that is anything less than supportive of your stepbro.
Well duh.
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I've spent the last few weeks talking and texting family members. Here's what I've gathered about who attending so far.
Three of my step bros except one of them isn't bring his kids because his wife is concerned they will be confused. One of my blood bros is coming but the other is on the fence. He said he thinks they will be on vacation that weekend (wink wink). All 3 of my blood sisters are not coming. One lives in south America, the other lives out of state and is legitimately busy, and the third is a Jesus freak. Woof
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but secks
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but secks
It's all very confusing according to the sister inlaw.
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What will be confusing is every function ever again with family where Uncle Whatevs attends.
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What will be confusing is every function ever again with family where Uncle Whatevs attends.
Here's the thing, he's attended every holiday and wedding for the last 10 yrs.
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What will be confusing is every function ever again with family where Uncle Whatevs attends.
Here's the thing, he's attended every holiday and wedding for the last 10 yrs.
Their bigotry isn't brave enough to actually bar him from attending a family event but it's lazy enough to let them not make the effort to attend something of his.
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What will be confusing is every function ever again with family where Uncle Whatevs attends.
Here's the thing, he's attended every holiday and wedding for the last 10 yrs.
Their bigotry isn't brave enough to actually bar him from attending a family event but it's lazy enough to let them not make the effort to attend something of his.
Correct. :frown:
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What will be confusing is every function ever again with family where Uncle Whatevs attends.
Here's the thing, he's attended every holiday and wedding for the last 10 yrs.
Their bigotry isn't brave enough to actually bar him from attending a family event but it's lazy enough to let them not make the effort to attend something of his.
but make an excuse as to why they can't attend instead of listing the real reason
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Oh man, what is the excuse as to why he is at every fam function?
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Oh man, what is the excuse as to why he is at every fam function?
It's complicated. :D Seriously tho my oldest brother police officer sees stupid terrible crap everyday and is cool with anyone contributing to society in a positive way. The other bro that's going on vacation (wink wink) is a colossal bad person. He says he's not going because religion. I know it's really because he afraid of what the community will think. And the Jesus freak well she's a Jesus freak.
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Oh man, what is the excuse as to why he is at every fam function?
It's complicated. :D Seriously tho my oldest brother police officer sees stupid terrible crap everyday and is cool with anyone contributing to society in a positive way. The other bro that's going on vacation (wink wink) is a colossal bad person. He says he's not going because religion. I know it's really because he afraid of what the community will think. And the Jesus freak well she's a Jesus freak.
Bible says love thy brother tho.
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And God said, "I need someone brave enough to absorb the slings and arrows of mankind, and in so doing expose the corruption and hypocrisy that infests many mortal minds."
So God made a mommy.
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Bloodfart, if I prayed, I would pray for the souls of your family.
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Bloodfart, if I prayed, I would pray for the souls of your family.
There's still time!
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Tell your non-cop bro that you'll kick his weakling little ass if he doesn't attend. Most of your Nazi ancestors had secret alternative lifestyles so what's the big whoop?
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I went to a gay wedding. It was a lot like a straight wedding. There was a boy, maybe 10 years old there, and he did not seem confused. He also wasn't "recruited". I can be a reference for the idiots in your family.
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the only reason a child would ever be confused is if their parents raised them poorly
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And heaven forbid a rough ridin' child being confused by something. I mean they are dumbfounded by shoelaces for eff's sake.
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The problem is that the parents are confused. They don't want to answer the tough questions.
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"confused" isn't about the dynamics of gay couples or their getting married.
They just don't want to tell their kids that they should be openly hateful ppl yet when every other day of their lives they tell their kids to be good ppl, to share, to be nice, etc.
That is the only confusion that would pop up, imo.
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heaven forbid a rough ridin' child being confused by something. I mean they are dumbfounded by shoelaces for eff's sake.
sounds horrible.
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Keep em coming fellas I'm gonna need some heavy ammo to even put a dent in my bro's self-serving logic.
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Get him name tags for him and his family that say "Not Gay". Would clear up other confusion that he may be concerned about. :dunno:
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Yes now we are on the right track.
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Keep em coming fellas I'm gonna need some heavy ammo to even put a dent in my bro's self-serving logic.
How about saying "this is your brother and this is important to him and it's really mean of you to not go"?
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Keep em coming fellas I'm gonna need some heavy ammo to even put a dent in my bro's self-serving logic.
How about saying "this is your brother and this is important to him and it's really mean of you to not go"?
Just tell him that your gay brother would be there for him if the situation was reversed and that blood should be thicker than any sort of misinterpreted and bigoted sentiment put forward by his church.
Also, if he doesn't go, he's a colossal loser who should be old enough to not care what anyone thinks about him.
My wife and I had an openly gay man stand with us at our Kansas, mid-western wedding, and we didn't give a **** what anyone thought about it. He was a solid dude that supported our relationship from the first day, and it would have been weird not to include him.
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gotta say that one of the more shocking things in this thread is that mc's kids are confused by shoe laces :dunno:
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gotta say that one of the more shocking things in this thread is that mc's kids are confused by shoe laces :dunno:
Low kid IQ. It takes like 10 years for them to handle walking without falling over.
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Thanks for all the input everyone (even you Hellhammer). I'm still conflicted as to go super crass on his ass or brutally honest. I will report back.
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The next important event that happens in the lives of your bigoted relatives, you should be on "vacation" and unable to attend.
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Keep em coming fellas I'm gonna need some heavy ammo to even put a dent in my bro's self-serving logic.
How about saying "this is your brother and this is important to him and it's really mean of you to not go"?
Just tell him that your gay brother would be there for him if the situation was reversed
How do you know? His brother could be a total bad person.
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The next important event that happens in the lives of your bigoted relatives, you should be on "vacation" and unable to attend.
No, be the better man and attend, then remind your brother of how you are the better man every time you see him until the day you die.
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You should let your gay brother and jesus brother work things out between them and support both even though you disagree with one. Don't choose sides.
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You should let your gay brother and jesus brother work things out between them and support both even though you disagree with one. Don't choose sides.
pretty sure it's okay to pick sides when one has done nothing but live his life and the other is being a jackass.
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You should let your gay brother and jesus brother work things out between them and support both even though you disagree with one. Don't choose sides.
pretty sure it's okay to pick sides when one has done nothing but live his life and the other is being a jackass.
Yes, he should definitely choose sides.
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You should let your gay brother and jesus brother work things out between them and support both even though you disagree with one. Don't choose sides.
pretty sure it's okay to pick sides when one has done nothing but live his life and the other is being a jackass.
Yes, he should definitely choose sides.
Are there no other moderates left in the world? :'bye cruel world:
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You should let your gay brother and jesus brother work things out between them and support both even though you disagree with one. Don't choose sides.
pretty sure it's okay to pick sides when one has done nothing but live his life and the other is being a jackass.
Yes, he should definitely choose sides.
Are there no other moderates left in the world? :'bye cruel world:
there's a clear right and wrong here, dude.
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You should let your gay brother and jesus brother work things out between them and support both even though you disagree with one. Don't choose sides.
pretty sure it's okay to pick sides when one has done nothing but live his life and the other is being a jackass.
Yes, he should definitely choose sides.
Are there no other moderates left in the world? :'bye cruel world:
there's a clear right and wrong here, dude.
bad person bro sure seems to think so.
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and the "support my right to hate gay people" folks charge to the rescue
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You should let your gay brother and jesus brother work things out between them and support both even though you disagree with one. Don't choose sides.
pretty sure it's okay to pick sides when one has done nothing but live his life and the other is being a jackass.
Yes, he should definitely choose sides.
Are there no other moderates left in the world? :'bye cruel world:
there's a clear right and wrong here, dude.
bad person bro sure seems to think so.
bad person bro is confused about which is which.
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You should let your gay brother and jesus brother work things out between them and support both even though you disagree with one. Don't choose sides.
pretty sure it's okay to pick sides when one has done nothing but live his life and the other is being a jackass.
Yes, he should definitely choose sides.
Are there no other moderates left in the world? :'bye cruel world:
there's a clear right and wrong here, dude.
bad person bro sure seems to think so.
bad person bro is confused about which is which.
We are going to be State #50 to get our act together(assuming additional states aren't added to the country prior to KS actually accepting gay marriage).
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You should let your gay brother and jesus brother work things out between them and support both even though you disagree with one. Don't choose sides.
pretty sure it's okay to pick sides when one has done nothing but live his life and the other is being a jackass.
Yes, he should definitely choose sides.
Are there no other moderates left in the world? :'bye cruel world:
there's a clear right and wrong here, dude.
bad person bro sure seems to think so.
bad person bro is confused about which is which.
We are going to be State #50 to get our act together(assuming additional states aren't added to the country prior to KS actually accepting gay marriage).
We might beat Oklahoma.
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You should let your gay brother and jesus brother work things out between them and support both even though you disagree with one. Don't choose sides.
pretty sure it's okay to pick sides when one has done nothing but live his life and the other is being a jackass.
Yes, he should definitely choose sides.
Are there no other moderates left in the world? :'bye cruel world:
there's a clear right and wrong here, dude.
bad person bro sure seems to think so.
bad person bro is confused about which is which.
We are going to be State #50 to get our act together(assuming additional states aren't added to the country prior to KS actually accepting gay marriage).
We might beat Oklahoma.
Everything's bigoteder in Texas.
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You should let your gay brother and jesus brother work things out between them and support both even though you disagree with one. Don't choose sides.
pretty sure it's okay to pick sides when one has done nothing but live his life and the other is being a jackass.
Yes, he should definitely choose sides.
Are there no other moderates left in the world? :'bye cruel world:
there's a clear right and wrong here, dude.
I think jesus brother would agree with you.
Bloodfart needs to work on jesus brother, but keep it civil and calm to avoid a nasty confrontation. As long as everyone is on speaking terms there is hope that he will come around when he sees gay brother and husband love each other and are no different than any other couple. It's going to take some time, but attacking someone's religion is unproductive and decisive no matter how wrong you think it is. Keep the family together.
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whenever your brother asks you to do anything, make sure you get a "i dont understand it, and i dont agree with it." in there
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Assholes are assholes. Especially when standing on something that provides endless excuses for their bad person'eyness.
The guy isn't changing.
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Assholes are assholes. Especially when standing on something that provides endless excuses for their bad person'eyness.
The guy isn't changing.
I've seen people change especially within families.
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You could try telling the religious brother that the bible teaches you to not judge and to love your neighbor as you love yourself, so if he wants to get to heaven, he should probably stop being such an bad person.
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You could try telling the religious brother that the bible teaches you to not judge and to love your neighbor as you love yourself, so if he wants to get to heaven, he should probably stop being such an bad person.
Yep. Argue bible verse with a bible guy who is using the bible to hate on someone.
Works every time.
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You should let your gay brother and jesus brother work things out between them and support both even though you disagree with one. Don't choose sides.
pretty sure it's okay to pick sides when one has done nothing but live his life and the other is being a jackass.
Yes, he should definitely choose sides.
Are there no other moderates left in the world? :'bye cruel world:
there's a clear right and wrong here, dude.
I think jesus brother would agree with you.
Bloodfart needs to work on jesus brother, but keep it civil and calm to avoid a nasty confrontation. As long as everyone is on speaking terms there is hope that he will come around when he sees gay brother and husband love each other and are no different than any other couple. It's going to take some time, but attacking someone's religion is unproductive and decisive no matter how wrong you think it is. Keep the family together.
Except the family isn't together, remember? convincing the rest of the family to shun the hateful bad person brother at his next important event could be very productive, at best. At worst you'd be siding with the correct side.
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I'm pretty sure that if the Pope had a gay brother, he would attend the marriage.
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I'm pretty sure that if the Pope had a gay brother, he would attend the marriage.
This Pope, yeah.
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You should let your gay brother and jesus brother work things out between them and support both even though you disagree with one. Don't choose sides.
pretty sure it's okay to pick sides when one has done nothing but live his life and the other is being a jackass.
Yes, he should definitely choose sides.
Are there no other moderates left in the world? :'bye cruel world:
there's a clear right and wrong here, dude.
I think jesus brother would agree with you.
Bloodfart needs to work on jesus brother, but keep it civil and calm to avoid a nasty confrontation. As long as everyone is on speaking terms there is hope that he will come around when he sees gay brother and husband love each other and are no different than any other couple. It's going to take some time, but attacking someone's religion is unproductive and decisive no matter how wrong you think it is. Keep the family together.
Sounds like its actually a good idea then. a decisive win is exactly what he is looking for
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Also, I would agree to not attack his religion - you should attack the fact that he's being a bigoted bad person.
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I will also refrain from attacking his religion.
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Here's a thought for all you stupid, self righteous, "concerned" women; stop worrying about what people think or why they think it. Your mumped up religion (POV) is full of as many hypocrisies as their mumped up religion, so deal with it.
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Here's a thought for all you stupid, self righteous, "concerned" women; stop worrying about what people think or why they think it. Your mumped up religion (POV) is full of as many hypocrisies as their mumped up religion, so deal with it.
you shouldn't worry so much about what those people think fsd
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Here's a thought for all you stupid, self righteous, "concerned" women; stop worrying about what people think or why they think it. Your mumped up religion (POV) is full of as many hypocrisies as their mumped up religion, so deal with it.
You are pretty caught up in my opinion. I have a right to it though.
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Here's a thought for all you stupid, self righteous, "concerned" women; stop worrying about what people think or why they think it. Your mumped up religion (POV) is full of as many hypocrisies as their mumped up religion, so deal with it.
:lol: :lol:
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Here's a thought for all you stupid, self righteous, "concerned" women; stop worrying about what people think or why they think it. Your mumped up religion (POV) is full of as many hypocrisies as their mumped up religion, so deal with it.
you shouldn't worry so much about what those people think fsd
Like, do you read, brah?
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Here's a thought for all you stupid, self righteous, "concerned" women; stop worrying about what people think or why they think it. Your mumped up religion (POV) is full of as many hypocrisies as their mumped up religion, so deal with it.
Why are you using the term women as an insult? :shakesfist:
Unless you mean that only women are concerned with treating all people with respect; then I guess it is a good thing to be called a woman although I don't think that assessment is true. There are a few men who are good people.
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Here's a thought for all you stupid, self righteous, "concerned" women; stop worrying about what people think or why they think it. Your mumped up religion (POV) is full of as many hypocrisies as their mumped up religion, so deal with it.
Why are you using the term women as an insult? :shakesfist:
Unless you mean that only women are concerned with treating all people with respect; then I guess it is a good thing to be called a woman although I don't think that assessment is true. There are a few men who are good people.
It would be very foolish to imply that engaging in trite and meaningless banter intended to denigrate another person for their own beliefs or behavior isn't something women do more frequently than men. To imply this sort of antisocial behavior is healthy is even more ridiculous. I have no idea how you could associate this discourse with "respect", that is truly a perversion of the word.
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I didn't really think someone could be that stupid.
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Here's a thought for all you stupid, self righteous, "concerned" women; stop worrying about what people think or why they think it. Your mumped up religion (POV) is full of as many hypocrisies as their mumped up religion, so deal with it.
Did you just call men women as an insult? rich.
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joke's on FSD, I AM a woman.
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Here's a thought for all you stupid, self righteous, "concerned" women; stop worrying about what people think or why they think it. Your mumped up religion (POV) is full of as many hypocrisies as their mumped up religion, so deal with it.
Why are you using the term women as an insult? :shakesfist:
Unless you mean that only women are concerned with treating all people with respect; then I guess it is a good thing to be called a woman although I don't think that assessment is true. There are a few men who are good people.
It would be very foolish to imply that engaging in trite and meaningless banter intended to denigrate another person for their own beliefs or behavior isn't something women do more frequently than men. To imply this sort of antisocial behavior is healthy is even more ridiculous. I have no idea how you could associate this discourse with "respect", that is truly a perversion of the word.
I think plenty of male politicians denigrate and engage in meaningless banter in a way to call women sluts and whores, or that when rape is inevitable....as a way of furthering their own believes and discounting others. Even worse that they do it as lawmakers that impact an entire nation rather than a family dealing with a family issue.
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:love:
The Pit is just a cornucopia of low hanging fruit. My god, the last few posts are just amazing.
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I drank whiskeys, ate smoked brisket, smoked pork, and smoked chicken till my cargo shorts busted. Hugged it out with the happy couple (he kissed me on the cheek... Awkward). Took a break from hugging to have more whiskey and well generally had a great time. Weird right, I mean sounds like stuff straight people do. :dunno:
bad person bro didn't show, shocker. He had a softball tournament AND he even tried to get me and police bro to go with him. He told me MY priorities are messed up! This jackass has the gall to tell me my priorities are wrong but not 2 or 3 months ago he asks me for a 5k loan (which at the time I was willing to do) and he's saying I'm doing it wrong. The bank is closed hit the bricks pal.
Everyone that attended had a good time. I'll answer any questions that you may have.
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Sounds good bf. Does the groom still send you dick pics?
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No, I told him congrats about his peen but in the future he should keep it in his pants.
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Good job. What's your #, want a new donater?
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:Wha:
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Seven, no!
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Asking for a loan after insulting someone is such a power move.
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That 5K loan would have ended up in Fred Phelps' hands I would imagine.
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That 5K loan would have ended up in Fred Phelps' hands I would imagine.
Or spent on a new softball bat
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bad person brother sounds like a lost cause. I take back everything I said earlier. :buh-bye:
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bad person brother sounds like a lost cause. I take back everything I said earlier. :buh-bye:
yeah, brother sounds like the kind of "christian" whop gives the majority of them a bad name.
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Confirms that grown men who play softball are douche bags.
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Does anyone have cliffs on why sodomy is viewed as immoral? I know the bible had some story about the sodomites and the entire city died or something, I don't know, is that it?
Seems pretty flimsy.
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Does anyone have cliffs on why sodomy is viewed as immoral? I know the bible had some story about the sodomites and the entire city died or something, I don't know, is that it?
Seems pretty flimsy.
Gays
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Not a fan of sodomy, personally
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Not a fan of sodomy, personally
Doesn't make it immoral.
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Not a fan of sodomy, personally
Doesn't make it immoral.
well, duh
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Does anyone have cliffs on why sodomy is viewed as immoral? I know the bible had some story about the sodomites and the entire city died or something, I don't know, is that it?
Seems pretty flimsy.
Because it is intercourse that is not specifically for procreation (With the exception of Lawyers, HA HA HA HA HA HA H).
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Does anyone have cliffs on why sodomy is viewed as immoral? I know the bible had some story about the sodomites and the entire city died or something, I don't know, is that it?
Seems pretty flimsy.
Because it is intercourse that is not specifically for procreation (With the exception of Lawyers, HA HA HA HA HA HA H).
does it say that in the bible?
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Does anyone have cliffs on why sodomy is viewed as immoral? I know the bible had some story about the sodomites and the entire city died or something, I don't know, is that it?
Seems pretty flimsy.
Because it is intercourse that is not specifically for procreation (With the exception of Lawyers, HA HA HA HA HA HA H).
does it say that in the bible?
Anal sex between a man and a woman is not specifically addressed in the bible, actually.
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Does anyone have cliffs on why sodomy is viewed as immoral? I know the bible had some story about the sodomites and the entire city died or something, I don't know, is that it?
Seems pretty flimsy.
Because it is intercourse that is not specifically for procreation (With the exception of Lawyers, HA HA HA HA HA HA H).
does it say that in the bible?
Anal sex between a man and a woman is not specifically addressed in the bible, actually.
neither is oral. So, all allowed.
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I assumed that the story of Sodam and Gomorah discussed it given that they are both considered bad and "sodomy". :dunno:
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Does anyone have cliffs on why sodomy is viewed as immoral? I know the bible had some story about the sodomites and the entire city died or something, I don't know, is that it?
Seems pretty flimsy.
Because it is intercourse that is not specifically for procreation (With the exception of Lawyers, HA HA HA HA HA HA H).
does it say that in the bible?
Anal sex between a man and a woman is not specifically addressed in the bible, actually.
neither is oral. So, all allowed.
The term sodomy can be used for any sex besides penis in vagina. Not sure if the Bible is only referring to anal in that story though.
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how do swimming pool squeezers factor in to this?
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The term sodomy derives from the biblical story, but the term and its meaning post-date the bible. It is clear that the bible condemns any type of sexual relations outside of marriage, but the "unnatural" acts referenced in the story of Sodom & Gomorrah and elsewhere probably refer to gay sex. I don't know of anything in the bible that actually condemns anal/oral sex among consenting married adults.
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how do swimming pool squeezers factor in to this?
Does not lead to procreation therefore immoral.
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Pete already gave the definitive explanation for this sitch boys and girl. CASE CLOSED!
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:impatient:
The term sodomy derives from the biblical story, but the term and its meaning post-date the bible. It is clear that the bible condemns any type of sexual relations outside of marriage, but the "unnatural" acts referenced in the story of Sodom & Gomorrah and elsewhere probably refer to gay sex. I don't know of anything in the bible that actually condemns anal/oral sex among consenting married adults.
Ok, so why does the bible consider being gay immoral? I'm learning a lot here guys, never read the bible and haven't really ever contemplated religion more than superficially.
Not that I'm against religion or anything,I guess I'm just indifferent, but if they have some awesome explanation as to why being gay is "wrong" then maybe I can be swayed. I don't buy it being unnatural though, it exists in other species and is pretty clearly not a "decision".
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:impatient:The term sodomy derives from the biblical story, but the term and its meaning post-date the bible. It is clear that the bible condemns any type of sexual relations outside of marriage, but the "unnatural" acts referenced in the story of Sodom & Gomorrah and elsewhere probably refer to gay sex. I don't know of anything in the bible that actually condemns anal/oral sex among consenting married adults.
Ok, so why does the bible consider being gay immoral? I'm learning a lot here guys, never read the bible and haven't really ever contemplated religion more than superficially.
Not that I'm against religion or anything,I guess I'm just indifferent, but if they have some awesome explanation as to why being gay is "wrong" then maybe I can be swayed. I don't buy it being unnatural though, it exists in other species and is pretty clearly not a "decision".
Like Sprac said, biblically any sex outside of marriage is a big :nono:. I don't think sodomy refers in any specific way to gay sex. As far as I can tell, sodomy is a group of morally detestable things that were going on at the time in Sodom ie. not housing the needy, forcing yourself upon others, sloth, gluttony, idol worship, at the time. Basically Sodom and Gomorrah (not the cities' real names) and some other towns in the area were involved in all sorts of nasty stuff. I question Lot offering his daughters to these angels so they wouldn't go have orgies with the mobs outside, it goes against my own moral compass, but at least he offered these angels a place to stay so they wouldn't get butt-raped (imo, one of the real sins of Sodom).
The other part of the bible that supposedly really goes after gay sex is Leviticus, but I think that has more to do with it messing up the male-dominated order of society. The rules and regulations given to the Levites were totally manly. Like, women weren't even supposed to be privy to them or know they exist. Not in a bad way to women. That is just how the Levites believed they were supposed to run their crap. Obviously if dudes were hooking up with dudes it would be a) outside of marriage b) equating men with women, and that wouldn't jive with the structure of society, just like a lot of stuff the Levites were instructed to do or not do.
Perhaps the reason that gay sex was considered wrong (if it was) is because it is idolizing pleasure.
Who knows.
I don't think homosexuality is "normal" though. It's definitely not uncommon, or as uncommon as people might have wanted to believe throughout history. Still, in a species where sex is mate fun and attractive for the purpose of making forwarding the species more likely to happen, gay sex doesn't really serve that purpose.
There's probably some inherent need that society has or purpose that gay people serve, to populate the celibate priesthood? Something else? :dunno:
Lastly, this whole thing about choice is pretty easy, at least imo, to figure out. People definitely don't have a choice as to whether they're attracted sexually to men, women, fat people, beautiful people, etc., but they definitely have a choice whether or not to act on their attraction.
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I'm not going to put words in your mouth, nic, but that last phrase you use often leads down a shitty road. Would you suggest that such people choose to repress some such attractions if they don't fit within a societal norm?
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I'm not going to put words in your mouth, nic, but that last phrase you use often leads down a shitty road. Would you suggest that such people choose to repress some such attractions if they don't fit within a societal norm?
I wouldn't suggest anything.
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The newly weds have a strange sex life from what I have gathered from my convos with them. One example, they havn't had sex in about a year. They aren't very fair to each other as well. Like one does oral but the other refuses to give it back. I figured they would be gettin jiggy wit it like erry day. :dunno:
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Like one does oral but the other refuses to give it back. :dunno:
Sounds like they've got this marriage thing down pretty well :rimshot:
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I see what you did there. :thumbs:
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The newly weds have a strange sex life from what I have gathered from my convos with them. One example, they havn't had sex in about a year. They aren't very fair to each other as well. Like one does oral but the other refuses to give it back. I figured they would be gettin jiggy wit it like erry day. :dunno:
So you had a conversation with your brother and his husband about their sex life? Seems awkward.
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Like one does oral but the other refuses to give it back
I feel their pain. :frown:
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The newly weds have a strange sex life from what I have gathered from my convos with them. One example, they havn't had sex in about a year. They aren't very fair to each other as well. Like one does oral but the other refuses to give it back. I figured they would be gettin jiggy wit it like erry day. :dunno:
So you had a conversation with your brother and his husband about their sex life? Seems awkward.
When Ms. Wacky and I go have drinks with my uncles, they seem to do this a lot too. Not so much my uncle, but his partner. It's awkward when my straight friends talk about it, but their stories are pretty comical. :drink:
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The newly weds have a strange sex life from what I have gathered from my convos with them. One example, they havn't had sex in about a year. They aren't very fair to each other as well. Like one does oral but the other refuses to give it back. I figured they would be gettin jiggy wit it like erry day. :dunno:
So you had a conversation with your brother and his husband about their sex life? Seems awkward.
When Ms. Wacky and I go have drinks with my uncle, they seem to do this a lot too. Not so much my uncle, but his partner. It's awkward when my straight friends talk about it, but their stories are pretty comical. :drink:
At first I thought you were saying that Ms. Wacky was telling your uncle about your sex life. :lol:
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I thought he was talking about one uncle giving oral in front of everyone.
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Ha. I meant to say uncles.
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The newly weds have a strange sex life from what I have gathered from my convos with them. One example, they havn't had sex in about a year. They aren't very fair to each other as well. Like one does oral but the other refuses to give it back. I figured they would be gettin jiggy wit it like erry day. :dunno:
So you had a conversation with your brother and his husband about their sex life? Seems awkward.
I never asked for this information. They just sprung it on me during casual conversation. Being curious about the unknown I let them vent. I think I should clarify that my gay brother is my step brother so it's a little less awkward talking about stuff like that. It's more like talking to a good friend.
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So the husband was sending you dick pics because your (step) brother wouldn't have sex with him? Did that come up in conversation?
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This is just ridiculous. Last I checked, this is America.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/09/pennsylvania-teenager-hump-oral-sex-jesus-statue-prison