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Interesting comment regarding D Sams. Snyder said he is working out solely at wide receiver position.
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i mean, we've all known this for several months.
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i mean, we've all known this for several months.
From the horse wizard's mouth tho
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Did Bill look sad when he mentioned Sams?
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This says a lot about Ertz, IMO.
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#ErtzDon'tIt?
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asiw the death of dual-threat qb university
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I hope he (Ertz) gets to play against Auburn. It would be a lot of fun to chant "Jess-E-E Jess-E-E Jess-E-E" for "Mr. Touchdown" Jessie E.
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Did Bill look sad when he mentioned Sams?
Yes, but only subtly as he thought about all the ways he could use Sams that no one will be able to prepare for, then he chuckled to himself.
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Did Bill look sad when he mentioned Sams?
Yes, but only subtly as he thought about all the ways he could use Sams that no one will be able to prepare for, then he chuckled to himself.
Just think of all the ways Bill could use him if he had the ball in his hand every snap, though. I bet our offense would average about 5.5 yards per play or something insane like that.
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Did Bill look sad when he mentioned Sams?
Yes, but only subtly as he thought about all the ways he could use Sams that no one will be able to prepare for, then he chuckled to himself.
Just think of all the ways Bill could use him if he had the ball in his hand every snap, though. I bet our offense would average about 5.5 yards per play or something insane like that.
that's insane!
maybe he'll get 1-2 touches per game at wide receiver tho, that will be fulfilling
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can't wait to watch Sams block down field, and watch Waters throw passes to Lockett
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can't wait to watch Sams block down field, and watch Waters throw passes to Lockett
maybe he'll even complete some of them!
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:facepalm:
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Since they will both be on the field anyways. . .can we just put him in the backfield right next to Waters? Then the center can snap to either. . .and bam. . .schemetastic.
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can't wait to watch Sams block down field, and watch Waters throw passes to over* Lockett
fyp
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Jake Waters doesn't deserve this fan base. Good grief, ppl. I get it, sams is more fun to watch, but get a rough ridin' grip. Waters progression was really nice last season. You guys continue to look at Jake's faults, but ignore Sams late game mistakes. I trust this coaching staff a lot more than some butthurt hayseeds that wants to watch sams run.
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Jake Waters doesn't deserve this fan base. Good grief, ppl. I get it, sams is more fun to watch, but get a rough ridin' grip. Waters progression was really nice last season. You guys continue to look at Jake's faults, but ignore Sams late game mistakes. I trust this coaching staff a lot more than some butthurt hayseeds that wants to watch sams run.
LOL
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I usually look for the positives in everything and with Dsams at WR I believe the positive will be that we will run those super awesome jail break screens where Dsams can score TD's all the time.
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Jake Waters doesn't deserve this fan base. Good grief, ppl. I get it, sams is more fun to watch, but get a rough ridin' grip. Waters progression was really nice last season. You guys continue to look at Jake's faults, but ignore Sams late game mistakes. I trust this coaching staff a lot more than some butthurt hayseeds that wants to watch sams run.
LOL
Oh, heh! look who's the first one to respond!
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I usually look for the positives in everything and with Dsams at WR I believe the positive will be that we will run those super awesome jail break screens where Dsams can score TD's all the time.
It is fun to think about that, just like it has been fun to think about running those screens to Lockett.
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I'm really excited to see what happens w/ Sams, Lockett and Waters on the field together.
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Jake Waters doesn't deserve this fan base. Good grief, ppl. I get it, sams is more fun to watch, but get a rough ridin' grip. Waters progression was really nice last season. You guys continue to look at Jake's faults, but ignore Sams late game mistakes. I trust this coaching staff a lot more than some butthurt hayseeds that wants to watch sams run.
Jake was better at the end of the year, but it's not like he put together some string of good games. Even when he was playing better, his play was inconsistent. People are over-hyping the Michigan game like that's how he played the last 4 games.
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I usually look for the positives in everything and with Dsams at WR I believe the positive will be that we will run those super awesome jail break screens where Dsams can score TD's all the time.
It is fun to think about that, just like it has been fun to think about running those screens to Lockett.
Please don't negative my positive.
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Jake Waters doesn't deserve this fan base. Good grief, ppl. I get it, sams is more fun to watch, but get a rough ridin' grip. Waters progression was really nice last season. You guys continue to look at Jake's faults, but ignore Sams late game mistakes. I trust this coaching staff a lot more than some butthurt hayseeds that wants to watch sams run.
Jake was better at the end of the year, but it's not like he put together some string of good games. Even when he was playing better, his play was inconsistent. People are over-hyping the Michigan game like that's how he played the last 4 games.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/550158/jake-waters
Oklahoma and Michigan really stand out. It looks like he improved a lot since the beginning of the year. :dunno:
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michigan would have finished barely above iowa state if they played in the big12 last year. beating up on michigan means nothing
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michigan would have finished barely above iowa state if they played in the big12 last year. beating up on michigan means nothing
They're full of 4/5 star recruits. That's the dumbest evaluation i've ever seen. it does matter and they would have done well in the Big 12. Just stop.
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i'm not really sure they even would have been bowl eligible if they played in a tougher conference
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michigan would have finished barely above iowa state if they played in the big12 last year. beating up on michigan means nothing
They're full of 4/5 star recruits. That's the dumbest evaluation i've ever seen. it does matter and they would have done well in the Big 12. Just stop.
They were 1-4 their last 5 going into the bowl game and the lone win was in 3OT vs f'ing Northwestern. Just stop.
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:Take the Bait:
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@ ell :facepalm:
Well Sams big game was against Baylor before he pissed it away late, who later got waxed by Central Florida, so I guess he sucks too. #Casestudies
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@ ell :facepalm:
Well Sams big game was against Baylor before he pissed it away late, who later got waxed by Central Florida, so I guess he sucks too. #Casestudies
You really are a dumbass. Keep hanging your Waters fanboy hat on that Michigan game. :thumbs:
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Jake Waters doesn't deserve this fan base. Good grief, ppl. I get it, sams is more fun to watch, but get a rough ridin' grip. Waters progression was really nice last season. You guys continue to look at Jake's faults, but ignore Sams late game mistakes. I trust this coaching staff a lot more than some butthurt hayseeds that wants to watch sams run.
Jake was better at the end of the year, but it's not like he put together some string of good games. Even when he was playing better, his play was inconsistent. People are over-hyping the Michigan game like that's how he played the last 4 games.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/550158/jake-waters
Oklahoma and Michigan really stand out. It looks like he improved a lot since the beginning of the year. :dunno:
He did have some nice stats against Oklahoma. He was a complete failure in regards to consistently moving the offense and not having short drives that end in punts and poor field position, but it's probably unfair to put that all on him. The coaches made the conscious decision to completely abandon the run for no reason at all, not Jake. I wouldn't point to a game like that as a success either, though.
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I usually look for the positives in everything and with Dsams at WR I believe the positive will be that we will run those super awesome jail break screens where Dsams can score TD's all the time.
It is fun to think about that, just like it has been fun to think about running those screens to Lockett.
Please don't negative my positive.
I "hope" the reason we didn't run those with Lockett was because he was usually the only one fast enough to stretch the defense deep, and we needed him for more deep routes.
And, hopefully, Sams size allows us to feel more comfortable tossing to him in screen situations and getting YAC.
So, positive vibes, 'zacker.
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@ ell :facepalm:
Well Sams big game was against Baylor before he pissed it away late, who later got waxed by Central Florida, so I guess he sucks too. #Casestudies
You really are a dumbass. Keep hanging your Waters fanboy hat on that Michigan game. :thumbs:
Since the word "dumbass" makes up half your english language, i'll take it with a grain of salt.
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Jake Waters doesn't deserve this fan base. Good grief, ppl. I get it, sams is more fun to watch, but get a rough ridin' grip. Waters progression was really nice last season. You guys continue to look at Jake's faults, but ignore Sams late game mistakes. I trust this coaching staff a lot more than some butthurt hayseeds that wants to watch sams run.
Jake was better at the end of the year, but it's not like he put together some string of good games. Even when he was playing better, his play was inconsistent. People are over-hyping the Michigan game like that's how he played the last 4 games.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/550158/jake-waters
Oklahoma and Michigan really stand out. It looks like he improved a lot since the beginning of the year. :dunno:
He did have some nice stats against Oklahoma. He was a complete failure in regards to consistently moving the offense and not having short drives that end in punts and poor field position, but it's probably unfair to put that all on him. The coaches made the conscious decision to completely abandon the run for no reason at all, not Jake. I wouldn't point to a game like that as a success either, though.
If we are committing to Waters, I hope we choose to run an offense more suitable to his strengths.
If Ertz is his backup, they are kind of clones of each other, so there's no excuse not to do it that way.
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i don't like the comparison of mr touchdown to mr 3 and out
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Jake Waters doesn't deserve this fan base. Good grief, ppl. I get it, sams is more fun to watch, but get a rough ridin' grip. Waters progression was really nice last season. You guys continue to look at Jake's faults, but ignore Sams late game mistakes. I trust this coaching staff a lot more than some butthurt hayseeds that wants to watch sams run.
Jake was better at the end of the year, but it's not like he put together some string of good games. Even when he was playing better, his play was inconsistent. People are over-hyping the Michigan game like that's how he played the last 4 games.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/550158/jake-waters
Oklahoma and Michigan really stand out. It looks like he improved a lot since the beginning of the year. :dunno:
He did have some nice stats against Oklahoma. He was a complete failure in regards to consistently moving the offense and not having short drives that end in punts and poor field position, but it's probably unfair to put that all on him. The coaches made the conscious decision to completely abandon the run for no reason at all, not Jake. I wouldn't point to a game like that as a success either, though.
If we are committing to Waters, I hope we choose to run an offense more suitable to his strengths.
If Ertz is his backup, they are kind of clones of each other, so there's no excuse not to do it that way.
Well, going off of Ertz's HS tape, he looks more like Klein/Sams to me than Waters.
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Wacky, I'm not going to sit here and say Waters sucks. But you can't pretend Sams got a fair shot at QB when he didn't have Lockett to throw to. How good do you think Waters would be without Lockett?
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Wacky, I'm not going to sit here and say Waters sucks. But you can't pretend Sams got a fair shot at QB when he didn't have Lockett to throw to. How good do you think Waters would be without Lockett?
YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE COACHING STAFF YOU BUTTHURT HAYSEED!?!?
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Wacky, I'm not going to sit here and say Waters sucks. But you can't pretend Sams got a fair shot at QB when he didn't have Lockett to throw to. How good do you think Waters would be without Lockett?
I don't think either QB got a fair shake. However, I saw enough mistakes late in games by sams and enough progression by Waters to understand that might stick for this year. The coaching staff was obvious with both QB's last year, and it hurt them at times to be successful. Knowing Sams can play another position makes me feel comfort for this year.
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Wackysquawk gonna Wackysquawk
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Wacky, I'm not going to sit here and say Waters sucks. But you can't pretend Sams got a fair shot at QB when he didn't have Lockett to throw to. How good do you think Waters would be without Lockett?
YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE COACHING STAFF YOU BUTTHURT HAYSEED!?!?
Do you always get this emotional with ppl who disagree with you? I mean, do you just hate all christians cause they believe in god? Sounds like a hateful way to live your life.
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is this real life?
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having your big game with your star receiver hurt (wasn't ttt out also?) against the conference champions... man, that sams must just lick balls at being quarterback. what was i even thinking???
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DScott-esque meltdown right there
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DScott-esque meltdown right there
No, you can't have a conversation without flipping out and calling someone a dumbass. I fear your mental stability sometimes.
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How far out are we from Wacky saying he's leaving this blog forever only to come back whenever the tucks are right about something, then have another meltdown, leave, comeback to make a tuck talking point, rinse, repeat?
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How far out are we from Wacky saying he's leaving this blog forever only to come back whenever the tucks are right about something, then have another meltdown, leave, comeback to make a tuck talking point, rinse, repeat?
he's already adopted the "butthurt hayseed" insult... the transformation is almost compleate
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Not sure, it's just weird how much the townies back eachother so much on here. I really don't care, but it's entertaining on my side.
This post excludes- KK, Rowdy boy, etc.
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How far out are we from Wacky saying he's leaving this blog forever only to come back whenever the tucks are right about something, then have another meltdown, leave, comeback to make a tuck talking point, rinse, repeat?
he's already adopted the "butthurt hayseed" insult... the transformation is almost compleate
He's really going to rub it in our faces after Jake's first TD pass.
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Also, nothing i've said today is wrong.
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:popcorn:
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i hope jake waters throws a million touchdown passes this season, and half of those million are to daniel "touchdown factory" sams
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i hope jake waters throws a million touchdown passes this season, and half of those million are to daniel "touchdown factory" sams
Me too! If not, I hope sams is running all over some dumbass fools. Either way, I just want to win. I don't really have an agenda on how we get there.
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i hope jake waters throws a million touchdown passes this season, and half of those million are to daniel "touchdown factory" sams
Me too! If not, I hope sams is running all over some dumbass fools. Either way, I just want to win. I don't really have an agenda on how we get there.
You say "dumbass", like, a lot.
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realistic hoping tho, i hope with daniel being on the field will help jake out with his little "h3o" problem
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i hope jake waters throws a million touchdown passes this season, and half of those million are to daniel "touchdown factory" sams
Me too! If not, I hope sams is running all over some dumbass fools. Either way, I just want to win. I don't really have an agenda on how we get there.
You say "dumbass", like, a lot.
Try to bring some zeal next time you post or at least post something that's relevant to the conversation. TIA.
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Wacky, I'm not going to sit here and say Waters sucks. But you can't pretend Sams got a fair shot at QB when he didn't have Lockett to throw to. How good do you think Waters would be without Lockett?
YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE COACHING STAFF YOU BUTTHURT HAYSEED!?!?
Do you always get this emotional with ppl who disagree with you? I mean, do you just hate all christians cause they believe in god? Sounds like a hateful way to live your life.
wacky you are the one getting pretty emotional about others not agreeing with you
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Wacky, I'm not going to sit here and say Waters sucks. But you can't pretend Sams got a fair shot at QB when he didn't have Lockett to throw to. How good do you think Waters would be without Lockett?
YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE COACHING STAFF YOU BUTTHURT HAYSEED!?!?
Do you always get this emotional with ppl who disagree with you? I mean, do you just hate all christians cause they believe in god? Sounds like a hateful way to live your life.
wacky you are the one getting pretty emotional about others not agreeing with you
Not really. ErII follows me around a lot and it gets old. Then when the townies gang tackle for one another, it gets insufferable.
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I'm use to ppl disagreeing with me on here, cause I don't regurgitate the same gE talking points.
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you're doing an unbelievable job
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Wacky, I'm not going to sit here and say Waters sucks. But you can't pretend Sams got a fair shot at QB when he didn't have Lockett to throw to. How good do you think Waters would be without Lockett?
YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE COACHING STAFF YOU BUTTHURT HAYSEED!?!?
Do you always get this emotional with ppl who disagree with you? I mean, do you just hate all christians cause they believe in god? Sounds like a hateful way to live your life.
wacky you are the one getting pretty emotional about others not agreeing with you
Not really. ErII follows me around a lot and it gets old. Then when the townies gang tackle for one another, it gets insufferable.
meow meow is an unbiased source. Maybe you should think about what he has to say.
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did the presser say anything about waters working on his ability to dunk the dinks with more reliability?
I bet there would be at least 100% more waters buy-in if the didnt sail 70% of the short easy passes
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did the presser say anything about waters working on his ability to dunk the dinks with more reliability?
I bet there would be at least 100% more waters buy-in if the didnt sail 70% of the short easy passes
:lol:
(no seriously, huge belly laugh here)
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Wacky, I'm not going to sit here and say Waters sucks. But you can't pretend Sams got a fair shot at QB when he didn't have Lockett to throw to. How good do you think Waters would be without Lockett?
YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE COACHING STAFF YOU BUTTHURT HAYSEED!?!?
Do you always get this emotional with ppl who disagree with you? I mean, do you just hate all christians cause they believe in god? Sounds like a hateful way to live your life.
wacky you are the one getting pretty emotional about others not agreeing with you
Not really. ErII follows me around a lot and it gets old. Then when the townies gang tackle for one another, it gets insufferable.
meow meow is an unbiased source. Maybe you should think about what he has to say.
this is true. i am neither ERIII or a townie gang banger.
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This is a good read. Explains a lot.
http://www.kansas.com/2014/04/08/3392986/bill-snyder-says-k-states-daniel.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co
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This is a good read. Explains a lot.
http://www.kansas.com/2014/04/08/3392986/bill-snyder-says-k-states-daniel.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co
LHC Bill Snyder says K-State’s Daniel Sams is adjusting to new position
By Kellis Robinett
The Wichita Eagle
Published Tuesday, April 8, 2014, at 4:26 p.m.
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Travis Heying/ The Wichita Eagle | Buy this photo Daniel Sams stiff-arms Baylor defender Ahmad Dixon during a game in October. Sams is making a position switch from quarterback to receiver this spring. MANHATTAN — For Daniel Sams, the future is clear.
The junior Kansas State playmaker has switched positions from quarterback to wide receiver, and if all goes well during spring practices, he will stay there for the remainder of his college career.
“Right now he is just focusing at the wide receiver position,” K-State coach LHC Bill Snyder said Tuesday during his first football news conference of the spring. “That doesn’t eliminate anything, it’s just he wants to play there. I am going to give him the opportunity.”
Sams saw action at quarterback in all 13 games last season, amassing 1,259 total yards and 15 touchdowns, but he didn’t start any of them. Jake Waters emerged as the clear cut starter, and Sams openly discussed the possibility of a position change before the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl.
He wanted to be on the field. If he couldn’t help the Wildcats at quarterback, maybe he could as a receiver. He said he would discuss the idea with Snyder.
Sams didn’t know what to expect. Turns out, Snyder had an open mind.
“The dialogue I had with Daniel was I want you to be happy,” Snyder said. “I want to see you on the field. Because he approached me about playing as a wide receiver, I made my recommendations to him, but I said I would certainly abide by his and give him a chance.…
“If he wants to go out and be a wide receiver, he needs to go out and be a wide receiver and let reality set in. Yes, I can do this. He has proven he is not going to be bad there. Is that really what you want? If it is, we will move from there.”
Snyder has a successful track record when it comes to finding new positions for quarterbacks. Former standout safety Ty Zimmerman entered K-State’s program as a quarterback. So did former linebacker Justin Tuggle, former running back Daniel Thomas and former safety Tysyn Hartman. Even Collin Klein briefly played receiver as a freshman before switching back to quarterback, where he became a Heisman finalist.
Sams, who did not attend Tuesday’s news conference, is hoping for a similar transition. He has been respected both as a leader and a playmaker. He didn’t want to waste those qualities as a backup quarterback. Neither did Snyder, especially with young quarterbacks Joe Hubener and Jesse Ertz showing promise behind Waters.
“He has got to be on the field,” Snyder said. “We have got to find the spot.”
Sams began focusing on his new position immediately after receiving Snyder’s blessing. He enjoyed the process so much that he began describing himself as a receiver on Twitter before spring practices started last week, though he is still listed as a quarterback on K-State’s official roster.
“I think he has got a few tips and little tricks to learn, but he is a tremendous playmaker,” said sophomore receiver Deante Burton. “His athleticism is some of the best in the country. It’s not as natural for him as quarterback, but it is something that is coming along for him pretty easily.”
An added bonus to the transition, Burton said, is that K-State receivers are building a stronger bond with Waters than they did last season when he was splitting snaps with Sams. The possibility of trick plays involving Sams is also intriguing.
How high up the depth chart can he climb?
The Wildcats appear loaded at receiver. Senior deep threat Tyler Lockett may be the Big 12’s top returning receiver, Curry Sexton started seven games last year, Burton is a rising talent, Kyle Klein has all the physical tools and so do Andre Davis and Judah Jones.
Snyder said Lockett, Sexton and Burton top the current depth chart. But he complimented the entire unit. Sams will have to fight for playing time.
For now, Snyder likes what Sams is doing.
“I like the way he is working at it,” Snyder said. “He has made some progress. There have been some ups and downs in there, as well, but he has learned some of the nuances, not as well as he needs to, about the position. He studies it pretty hard and is working on it. He has got skill. Everyone understands that. He can make you miss sometimes.”
Defenses learned that last season, when he ranked second on the team with 807 rushing yards as a quarterback.
His teammates also see that kind of potential at his new position.
“I have seen him running around during practice, and it is difficult to get a hold of him,” Burton said. “I have never had to tackle him personally, and I don’t want to. It will be difficult for teams to gameplan for him, because it’s not like he can’t throw the ball. We have seen him run. I’m not sure they have, but we have seen him catch a ball. (He) is going to be a real problem for them.”
Robinson leads the way — One of K-State’s most intriguing position battles of the spring is running back. Three-year starter John Hubert is gone, and so is his backup Robert Rose. Snyder said the candidates are DeMarcus Robinson, Charles Jones and Jarvis Leverett. At this moment, Robinson, a senior from Northwest, has a slight edge. But Snyder wants to see how he handles a larger workload during the spring. Robinson has rushed for 45 yards in his career as a third-string option.
Cantele kicking again — A nagging back injury prevented Jack Cantele from kicking at full strength last season. The junior from Kapaun missed three games after connecting on 11 of 13 field goals. On Tuesday, he said he has fully recovered and ready to kick at the spring game.
Offseason evaluations — When Snyder was asked to grade his team’s offseason work, he didn’t pass along stellar marks. He said 85 percent of the team met or exceeded expectations, 10 percent remained stagnant and five percent returned to practice in poor shape. A passing grade, but not as high as he would have preferred.
Ailing foot — Snyder wore a walking boot on his left foot Tuesday, a lingering sign of foot surgery following K-State’s bowl game. In past weeks, he has walked on crutches. Snyder didn’t indicate why he required surgery, but he said he would need the walking boot for a few more weeks.
“It’s fine,” Snyder said. “It’s just frustrating is all.”
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2014/04/08/3392986/bill-snyder-says-k-states-daniel.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co#storylink=cpy
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Thanks for the article.
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With Panj on needing to run something different and more tailored to Jake. The kid was full of woof in the run and H3O is a legit concern. I am fine w him playing though as long as we whip ass and taints and stuff.
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Jake Waters' 81 adjusted QBR in November and December was better than every Big 12 quarterback except Oklahoma State's Clint Chelf and Texas Tech's Davis Webb.
That includes more than just the Michigan game....
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#teamwacky
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Jake Waters' 81 adjusted QBR in November and December was better than every Big 12 quarterback except Oklahoma State's Clint Chelf and Texas Tech's Davis Webb.
That includes more than just the Michigan game....
what was Sam's adjusted QBR?
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iirc it was top 10 for the season until whoever the eff runs ksu football decided to bench him to "statistically insignificant" status
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iirc it was top 10 for the season until whoever the eff runs ksu football decided to bench him to "statistically insignificant" status
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Jake Waters doesn't deserve this fan base. Good grief, ppl. I get it, sams is more fun to watch, but get a rough ridin' grip. Waters progression was really nice last season. You guys continue to look at Jake's faults, but ignore Sams late game mistakes. I trust this coaching staff a lot more than some butthurt hayseeds that wants to watch sams run.
You are becoming the dorkiest dork that ever dorked.
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Jake Waters doesn't deserve this fan base. Good grief, ppl. I get it, sams is more fun to watch, but get a rough ridin' grip. Waters progression was really nice last season. You guys continue to look at Jake's faults, but ignore Sams late game mistakes. I trust this coaching staff a lot more than some butthurt hayseeds that wants to watch sams run.
You are becoming the dorkiest dork that ever dorked.
Becoming?
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I usually look for the positives in everything and with Dsams at WR I believe the positive will be that we will run those super awesome jail break screens where Dsams can score TD's all the time.
It is fun to think about that, just like it has been fun to think about running those screens to Lockett.
Please don't negative my positive.
I "hope" the reason we didn't run those with Lockett was because he was usually the only one fast enough to stretch the defense deep, and we needed him for more deep routes.
And, hopefully, Sams size allows us to feel more comfortable tossing to him in screen situations and getting YAC.
So, positive vibes, 'zacker.
Pan, I realized the reason for TBL usage (or lack thereof), it was just that I wanted to stay positive (cause that's what I do) and I would have found it to be negative to call him a rough ridin' dumbass for suggesting that TBL should be used like Quincy Morgan.
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Jake Waters doesn't deserve this fan base. Good grief, ppl. I get it, sams is more fun to watch, but get a rough ridin' grip. Waters progression was really nice last season. You guys continue to look at Jake's faults, but ignore Sams late game mistakes. I trust this coaching staff a lot more than some butthurt hayseeds that wants to watch sams run.
You are becoming the dorkiest dork that ever dorked.
Becoming?
Take the night off and walk away from the keyboard, butthurt lil one.
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whenever fanning engages someone in an argument he completely embarrasses himself
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Jake Waters doesn't deserve this fan base. Good grief, ppl. I get it, sams is more fun to watch, but get a rough ridin' grip. Waters progression was really nice last season. You guys continue to look at Jake's faults, but ignore Sams late game mistakes. I trust this coaching staff a lot more than some butthurt hayseeds that wants to watch sams run.
You are becoming the dorkiest dork that ever dorked.
Becoming?
Take the night off and walk away from the keyboard, butthurt lil one.
Jake progressed, but Sams was still better.
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whenever fanning engages someone in an argument he completely embarrasses himself
like clockwork
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Wow.....glad I clicked on this thread to see what was said at the presser......
By the way.....maybe should just change the football board name to SAMS IS GOD, cause most here think that is true, cause he does no wrong........man, I enjoyed all those 4th quarter comebacks he had last year, I hope he does it again. :ROFL:
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whenever fanning engages someone in an argument he completely embarrasses himself
Says/thinks ppl who argue with him over dumb crap. Weird.
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Jake Waters' 81 adjusted QBR in November and December was better than every Big 12 quarterback except Oklahoma State's Clint Chelf and Texas Tech's Davis Webb.
That includes more than just the Michigan game....
so we're supposed to be impressed that waters had a worse QBR than clint rough ridin' chelf and a true freshman QB? i mean wtf is this post?
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Wow.....glad I clicked on this thread to see what was said at the presser......
By the way.....maybe should just change the football board name to SAMS IS GOD, cause most here think that is true, cause he does no wrong........man, I enjoyed all those 4th quarter comebacks he had last year, I hope he does it again. :ROFL:
:popcorn:
I mean sure except for the fact that no one has implied that. Just that Sams is better. Waters was great against NDSU, Texas, OU, etc., wasn't he?
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Jake Waters' 81 adjusted QBR in November and December was better than every Big 12 quarterback except Oklahoma State's Clint Chelf and Texas Tech's Davis Webb.
That includes more than just the Michigan game....
so we're supposed to be impressed that waters had a worse QBR than clint rough ridin' chelf and a true freshman QB? i mean wtf is this post?
:lol:
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Wow.....glad I clicked on this thread to see what was said at the presser......
By the way.....maybe should just change the football board name to SAMS IS GOD, cause most here think that is true, cause he does no wrong........man, I enjoyed all those 4th quarter comebacks he had last year, I hope he does it again. :ROFL:
:popcorn:
If you're not #TeamSams or a #BID'r on here, you're a dumbass. EFF original thoughts.
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waters had like 50 three and outs against OU and they ran the ball up our butthole all game
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Wow.....glad I clicked on this thread to see what was said at the presser......
By the way.....maybe should just change the football board name to SAMS IS GOD, cause most here think that is true, cause he does no wrong........man, I enjoyed all those 4th quarter comebacks he had last year, I hope he does it again. :ROFL:
:popcorn:
NDSU/Texas = beginning of the year. You might want to recheck that OU game.
I mean sure except for the fact that no one has implied that. Just that Sams is better. Waters was great against NDSU, Texas, OU, etc., wasn't he?
The OU game where 2 of his 3 TDs to lockett were completely made by lockett and would have been an absolute disgrace if he missed them? He was also absolutely awful against KU.
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Wow.....glad I clicked on this thread to see what was said at the presser......
By the way.....maybe should just change the football board name to SAMS IS GOD, cause most here think that is true, cause he does no wrong........man, I enjoyed all those 4th quarter comebacks he had last year, I hope he does it again. :ROFL:
:popcorn:
I mean sure except for the fact that no one has implied that. Just that Sams is better. Waters was great against NDSU, Texas, OU, etc., wasn't he?
NDSU/Texas = beginning of the year. You might want to recheck that OU game
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Wow.....glad I clicked on this thread to see what was said at the presser......
By the way.....maybe should just change the football board name to SAMS IS GOD, cause most here think that is true, cause he does no wrong........man, I enjoyed all those 4th quarter comebacks he had last year, I hope he does it again. :ROFL:
:popcorn:
NDSU/Texas = beginning of the year. You might want to recheck that OU game.
I mean sure except for the fact that no one has implied that. Just that Sams is better. Waters was great against NDSU, Texas, OU, etc., wasn't he?
The OU game where 2 of his 3 TDs to lockett were completely made by lockett and would have been an absolute disgrace if he missed them? He was also absolutely awful against KU.
My god! :facepalm:
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Jesus, I like Sam's too, dorks. But once you start reasoning that Lockett was the only reason Waters has a good game, I can't help you.
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Jesus, I like Sam's too, dorks. But once you start reasoning that Lockett was the only reason Waters has a good game, I can't help you.
I didn't say that was the only reason, and he wasn't really that good that game. He was decent. Did you actually watch the game?
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Reading this thread is like reading a different version of Apple of their eye? Always the backup QB from the fan's point of view...what are we, the Jets?
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=darcy/070919 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=darcy/070919)
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Jesus, I like Sam's too, dorks. But once you start reasoning that Lockett was the only reason Waters has a good game, I can't help you.
I didn't say that was the only reason, and he wasn't really that good that game. He was decent. Did you actually watch the game?
Yes. He was the one throwing all the bombs to TLBL to keep us in the race.
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So is all we've learned in this thread regarding the spring presser is that Snyder finally addressed Sams practicing primarily at WR? A fact that we've known for months?
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Jesus, I like Sam's too, dorks. But once you start reasoning that Lockett was the only reason Waters has a good game, I can't help you.
I didn't say that was the only reason, and he wasn't really that good that game. He was decent. Did you actually watch the game?
Yes. He was the one throwing all the bombs to TLBL to keep us in the race.
TLBL was getting 10 yards ahead of his defender before he threw them. Also, the three and outs kept us out of it.
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Also, I can find reasons for Sams as well, but the team #life crew are so blinded, they disregard Waters highlights and ignore some of Sams flaws. I think that's the most annoying part about breaking down the two. It's a cult like following.
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So is all we've learned in this thread regarding the spring presser is that Snyder finally addressed Sams practicing primarily at WR? A fact that we've known for months?
Well if you read the article, Sams asked for the change, but Snyder wanted him to stay at QB. Sams wants to help out in some way and told coach he needed the change. So there goes that theory that the coaches hate him.
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Also, I can find reasons for Sams as well, but the team #life crew are so blinded, they disregard Waters highlights and ignore some of Sams flaws. I think that's the most annoying part about breaking down the two. It's a cult like following.
Waters crowd does it too, the passes when lockett is 10 yards apart from anyone, they call it a great pass, ignore his missed deep balls, how awful he is at throwing easy 8 yard curls, etc.
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Also, I can find reasons for Sams as well, but the team #life crew are so blinded, they disregard Waters highlights and ignore some of Sams flaws. I think that's the most annoying part about breaking down the two. It's a cult like following.
Waters crowd does it too, the passes when lockett is 10 yards apart from anyone, they call it a great pass, ignore his missed deep balls, how awful he is at throwing easy 8 yard curls, etc.
How many deep balls did Sams connect on? That had to be frustrating for our best player (TLBL).
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Also, I can find reasons for Sams as well, but the team #life crew are so blinded, they disregard Waters highlights and ignore some of Sams flaws. I think that's the most annoying part about breaking down the two. It's a cult like following.
Waters crowd does it too, the passes when lockett is 10 yards apart from anyone, they call it a great pass, ignore his missed deep balls, how awful he is at throwing easy 8 yard curls, etc.
How many deep balls did Sams connect on? That had to be frustrating for our best player (TLBL).
How many opportunities did he have to do so? They ran him 30 times in baylor and OSU, threw a perfect pass to lockett against Mich, threaded the needle against the wind vs WVU(something jake consistently failed to do.) Jake missed 2+ easy TDs to lockett against OU on deep balls.
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By the end of the day we're talking about 2 QB starting caliber players in the Big 12. We didn't have this "problem" 5 years ago and I'm happy we have it now.
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Also, I can find reasons for Sams as well, but the team #life crew are so blinded, they disregard Waters highlights and ignore some of Sams flaws. I think that's the most annoying part about breaking down the two. It's a cult like following.
Waters crowd does it too, the passes when lockett is 10 yards apart from anyone, they call it a great pass, ignore his missed deep balls, how awful he is at throwing easy 8 yard curls, etc.
How many deep balls did Sams connect on? That had to be frustrating for our best player (TLBL).
How many opportunities did he have to do so? They ran him 30 times in baylor and OSU, threw a perfect pass to lockett against Mich, threaded the needle against the wind vs WVU(something jake consistently failed to do.) Jake missed 2+ easy TDs to lockett against OU on deep balls.
Does Sams complete those throws that Jake "missed"? He missed a few himself.
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So is all we've learned in this thread regarding the spring presser is that Snyder finally addressed Sams practicing primarily at WR? A fact that we've known for months?
Well if you read the article, Sams asked for the change, but Snyder wanted him to stay at QB. Sams wants to help out in some way and told coach he needed the change. So there goes that theory that the coaches hate him.
prolly realized that dimel wasn't going to give him a fair chance, so why not try his luck with known stud andre coleman
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Also, I can find reasons for Sams as well, but the team #life crew are so blinded, they disregard Waters highlights and ignore some of Sams flaws. I think that's the most annoying part about breaking down the two. It's a cult like following.
Waters crowd does it too, the passes when lockett is 10 yards apart from anyone, they call it a great pass, ignore his missed deep balls, how awful he is at throwing easy 8 yard curls, etc.
How many deep balls did Sams connect on? That had to be frustrating for our best player (TLBL).
How many opportunities did he have to do so? They ran him 30 times in baylor and OSU, threw a perfect pass to lockett against Mich, threaded the needle against the wind vs WVU(something jake consistently failed to do.) Jake missed 2+ easy TDs to lockett against OU on deep balls.
Does Sams complete those throws that Jake "missed"? He missed a few himself.
What do you mean "missed"? Go watch OU, consistently missed curls high(which is where you don't want to miss) and missed 2 deep balls.
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prolly realized that dimel wasn't going to give him a fair chance, so why not try his luck with known stud andre coleman
Great point, very likely scenario. Not following you around or anything. Just wanted to compliment your post and to say that I agree. :highfive:
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prolly realized that dimel wasn't going to give him a fair chance, so why not try his luck with known stud andre coleman
Great point, very likely scenario. Not following you around or anything. Just wanted to compliment your post and to say that I agree. :highfive:
Shocking
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Also, I can find reasons for Sams as well, but the team #life crew are so blinded, they disregard Waters highlights and ignore some of Sams flaws. I think that's the most annoying part about breaking down the two. It's a cult like following.
Why are you trying to "break them down" and why are you annoyed? Just like waters and some other people will like sams. No big deal.
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Goddamnit, stop saying "presser" assholes :curse:
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Quite a bit of info for the first press conference of the spring, and this thread turned into WS08 vs the world :facepalm:
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Quite a bit of info for the first press conference of the spring, and this thread turned into WS08 vs the world :facepalm:
that is almost every thread he posts in these days. keep up the good fight WS08!
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So is all we've learned in this thread regarding the spring presser is that Snyder finally addressed Sams practicing primarily at WR? A fact that we've known for months?
Well if you read the article, Sams asked for the change, but Snyder wanted him to stay at QB. Sams wants to help out in some way and told coach he needed the change. So there goes that theory that the coaches hate him.
I agree with fanning's interpretation of Coach's comments. Although LHCBS acknowledges Sams needs to be on the field, his comments clearly suggest that he has his reservations about Sams playing WR. But he's giving him the chance.
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Quite a bit of info for the first press conference of the spring, and this thread turned into WS08 vs the world :facepalm:
that is almost every thread he posts in these days. keep up the good fight WS08!
Will do! :thumbs:
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#teamwacky
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By the end of the day we're talking about 2 QB starting caliber players in the Big 12. We didn't have this "problem" 5 years ago and I'm happy we have it now.
This
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There is way too much focus on Waters and Sams here, our passing game is going to be good no matter how the pieces fall. We should be more concerned with the run game at this point. My :th_twocents:
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Also, I can find reasons for Sams as well, but the team #life crew are so blinded, they disregard Waters highlights and ignore some of Sams flaws. I think that's the most annoying part about breaking down the two. It's a cult like following.
Waters crowd does it too, the passes when lockett is 10 yards apart from anyone, they call it a great pass, ignore his missed deep balls, how awful he is at throwing easy 8 yard curls, etc.
How many deep balls did Sams connect on? That had to be frustrating for our best player (TLBL).
How many opportunities did he have to do so? They ran him 30 times in baylor and OSU, threw a perfect pass to lockett against Mich, threaded the needle against the wind vs WVU(something jake consistently failed to do.) Jake missed 2+ easy TDs to lockett against OU on deep balls.
Does Sams complete those throws that Jake "missed"? He missed a few himself.
What do you mean "missed"? Go watch OU, consistently missed curls high(which is where you don't want to miss) and missed 2 deep balls.
The same OU game he threw for 350 yards? Averaging 12 yards an attempt.
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There is way too much focus on Waters and Sams here, our passing game is going to be good no matter how the pieces fall. We should be more concerned with the run game at this point. My :th_twocents:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrfx.cstv.com%2Fphotos%2Fschools%2Fksu%2Fsports%2Fm-footbl%2Fauto_headshot%2F9108395.jpeg&hash=8f659cb91b5f0dcb7fb61926ffe5d6a6d2f0a346)
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Well Wacky, you have eastcat, fun muffin and bucket in your corner.
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There is way too much focus on Waters and Sams here, our passing game is going to be good no matter how the pieces fall. We should be more concerned with the run game at this point. My :th_twocents:
Good point, although I think the overall passing game is better with Jake.
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wackysquawk posts like a crackhead.
Do not want. :buh-bye: :driving:
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i sure hope the passing game is ok, because jake is rough ridin' useless when it comes to running or the run game
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i sure hope the passing game is ok, because jake is rough ridin' useless when it comes to running or the run game
:facepalm: take a lap
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i sure hope the passing game is ok, because jake is rough ridin' useless when it comes to running or the run game
:facepalm: take a lap
i bet i run it faster than jake waters
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this thread :flush:
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Goddamnit, stop saying "presser" assholes :curse:
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