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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Cire on March 21, 2014, 10:59:39 PM
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I will never be ok with oscar as our coach. I just won't
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Can't Wait For This Dur Of A Thread.
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I wanted so bad for Brad to be our coach after Martin was out and never have I wished that had actually happened more than tonight.
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I enjoy him making his players have to say something to the officials because he too much of a passive aggressive pussy to do it himself.
This was a waste of 2 hours.
I am glad will is done embarrassing ksu.
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I'm excited about next year's team.
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there's a brad moon on the rise
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Next year will be same as this year. Possibly worse.
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I would be optimistic for next year if we had a true point guard but Nigel and Jevon simply aren't. Though Nigel is gritty.
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Won't even break 50 :curse:
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Our Fanbase Is So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Sigh.
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What proven or talented players are we adding next year?
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Lost our last 4 games :facepalm:
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Edwards is going to have to be really good.
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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If oscar was a better coach he would have coached the seniors better. Sad.
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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yep clearly Frank's fault, add the last two tournaments to all of the times that loser Frank lost in the round of 64
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It's hard to overcome recruiting that leaves you Will Spradling and Omari Lawrence in your senior class.
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Edwards will be more productive than Sprads
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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yep clearly Frank's fault, add the last two tournaments to all of the times that loser Frank lost in the round of 64
Frank and oscar can both get mumped. They're proving just how terrible they both are. Without Hill recruiting and Brad drawing up X and Os Frank is worthless.
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What proven or talented players are we adding next year?
Look them up. It will be interesting. Plus, the freshman will be better.
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Frank's Big 12 championship last year is what I will remember most about Frank.
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What proven or talented players are we adding next year?
Look them up. It will be interesting. Plus, the freshman will be better.
There is no talent or proven players. And the freshmen don't have to get better. The seniors didn't.
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What's josh gray doing these days?
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can we all just agree we should've hired brad two years ago?
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So far no NIT's for oscar and a trophy of significance.
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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yep clearly Frank's fault, add the last two tournaments to all of the times that loser Frank lost in the round of 64
Frank and oscar can both get mumped. They're proving just how terrible they both are. Without Hill recruiting and Brad drawing up X and Os Frank is worthless.
lol, okay
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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yep clearly Frank's fault, add the last two tournaments to all of the times that loser Frank lost in the round of 64
Frank and oscar can both get mumped. They're proving just how terrible they both are. Without Hill recruiting and Brad drawing up X and Os Frank is worthless.
lol, okay
I love how you love to think you are so smart but you really aren't. It's cute.
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Frankites will never accept that Unds bailed out Frank.
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What proven or talented players are we adding next year?
Look them up. It will be interesting. Plus, the freshman will be better.
There is no talent or proven players. And the freshmen don't have to get better. The seniors didn't.
So, you're not going to look them up?
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can we all just agree we should've hired brad two years ago?
Agreed, but I'm interested to see what awful oscar does with these transfers..........
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Check that, Frank recruiting exits with a 4 for 19 effort.
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can we all just agree we should've hired brad two years ago?
Agreed, but I'm interested to see what awful oscar does with these transfers..........
Well if you go off of his track record he will win games against shitty and average teams and get no wins of any significance.
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We only use historical performace when it supports our predetermined conclusions. And then we do so dogmatically.
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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yep clearly Frank's fault, add the last two tournaments to all of the times that loser Frank lost in the round of 64
Frank and oscar can both get mumped. They're proving just how terrible they both are. Without Hill recruiting and Brad drawing up X and Os Frank is worthless.
lol, okay
I love how you love to think you are so smart but you really aren't. It's cute.
I'm sure you'll have no issue explaining to us what X's & O's Brad taught Frank that he didn't know before.
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We only use historical performace when it supports our predetermined conclusions. And then we do so dogmatically.
Um. rough ridin' duh? Predetermined conclusions are generally based on historical performances. Jesus christ. :facepalm:
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We only use historical performace when it supports our predetermined conclusions. And then we do so dogmatically.
Um. rough ridin' duh? Predetermined conclusions are generally based on historical performances. Jesus christ. :facepalm:
No, they wouldn't be predetermined in that case.
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THIS ISN'T ABOUT EFFING FRANK
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What proven or talented players are we adding next year?
Look them up. It will be interesting. Plus, the freshman will be better.
There is no talent or proven players. And the freshmen don't have to get better. The seniors didn't.
So, you're not going to look them up?
I did. no talent. not proven.
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Frankites will never accept that Unds bailed out Frank.
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Frankites will never accept that Unds bailed from Frank.
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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yep clearly Frank's fault, add the last two tournaments to all of the times that loser Frank lost in the round of 64
Frank and oscar can both get mumped. They're proving just how terrible they both are. Without Hill recruiting and Brad drawing up X and Os Frank is worthless.
lol, okay
I love how you love to think you are so smart but you really aren't. It's cute.
I'm sure you'll have no issue explaining to us what X's & O's Brad taught Frank that he didn't know before.
Are you really trying to debate that it wasn't Brad's offense we were running for a year and a half when Frank's was a dreadful failure?
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We only use historical performace when it supports our predetermined conclusions. And then we do so dogmatically.
Um. rough ridin' duh? Predetermined conclusions are generally based on historical performances. Jesus christ. :facepalm:
No, they wouldn't be predetermined in that case.
You either just said something incredibly stupid or blew my mind. I'm too drunk to determine right now.
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Frankites will never accept that Unds bailed out Frank.
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Frankites will never accept that Unds bailed from Frank.
If that's the case can anyone blame him for wanting to shake the deadweight?
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lol at oscar blaming three officials for Vulture's T
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lol at oscar blaming three officials for Vulture's T
he had an entire game to get after the officials (like when it might count) and he spends the post game to do it.
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What proven or talented players are we adding next year?
Look them up. It will be interesting. Plus, the freshman will be better.
There is no talent or proven players. And the freshmen don't have to get better. The seniors didn't.
So, you're not going to look them up?
I did. no talent. not proven.
The proven requirement sounds really dumb for newcomers. Like, should we limit ourselves to all-conference transfers? If so, we'd have no players. Well, outside of Edwards, I guess. The talent requirement is both dumb and vague. Try to define it and you'll see what I mean.
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What proven or talented players are we adding next year?
Look them up. It will be interesting. Plus, the freshman will be better.
There is no talent or proven players. And the freshmen don't have to get better. The seniors didn't.
So, you're not going to look them up?
I did. no talent. not proven.
The proven requirement sounds really dumb for newcomers. Like, should we limit ourselves to all-conference transfers? If so, we'd have no players. Well, outside of Edwards, I guess. The talent requirement is both dumb and vague. Try to define it and you'll see what I mean.
the transfers aren't proven you rough ridin' dumbass. and it's not a crazy assertion, it's valid, whether it is attained is not the point. you're going to get better from one season to the next because you added one or the other (talent or a proven player, they can be both). we are adding neither.
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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yep clearly Frank's fault, add the last two tournaments to all of the times that loser Frank lost in the round of 64
Frank and oscar can both get mumped. They're proving just how terrible they both are. Without Hill recruiting and Brad drawing up X and Os Frank is worthless.
lol, okay
I love how you love to think you are so smart but you really aren't. It's cute.
I'm sure you'll have no issue explaining to us what X's & O's Brad taught Frank that he didn't know before.
Are you really trying to debate that it wasn't Brad's offense we were running for a year and a half when Frank's was a dreadful failure?
yeah, everything in your sentence I take exception to, it's all wrong and a gross misunderstanding of basketball
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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yep clearly Frank's fault, add the last two tournaments to all of the times that loser Frank lost in the round of 64
Frank and oscar can both get mumped. They're proving just how terrible they both are. Without Hill recruiting and Brad drawing up X and Os Frank is worthless.
lol, okay
I love how you love to think you are so smart but you really aren't. It's cute.
I'm sure you'll have no issue explaining to us what X's & O's Brad taught Frank that he didn't know before.
Are you really trying to debate that it wasn't Brad's offense we were running for a year and a half when Frank's was a dreadful failure?
yeah, everything in your sentence I take exception to, it's all wrong and a gross misunderstanding of basketball
So yeah, MiR wrong once again, called out, and makes up bullshit reason to deflect. Pretty much rinse and repeat the usual bull when you're wrong.
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Jesus, We Have A Lot Of Tards On This Board.
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What proven or talented players are we adding next year?
Look them up. It will be interesting. Plus, the freshman will be better.
There is no talent or proven players. And the freshmen don't have to get better. The seniors didn't.
So, you're not going to look them up?
I did. no talent. not proven.
The proven requirement sounds really dumb for newcomers. Like, should we limit ourselves to all-conference transfers? If so, we'd have no players. Well, outside of Edwards, I guess. The talent requirement is both dumb and vague. Try to define it and you'll see what I mean.
the transfers aren't proven you rough ridin' dumbass.
That's not really what I was talking about. But if you could try to clarify what you mean by proven, it would be helpful. It's hard for me to imagine that you could give an example of a proven recruiting class that would meet you standards.
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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yep clearly Frank's fault, add the last two tournaments to all of the times that loser Frank lost in the round of 64
Frank and oscar can both get mumped. They're proving just how terrible they both are. Without Hill recruiting and Brad drawing up X and Os Frank is worthless.
lol, okay
I love how you love to think you are so smart but you really aren't. It's cute.
I'm sure you'll have no issue explaining to us what X's & O's Brad taught Frank that he didn't know before.
Are you really trying to debate that it wasn't Brad's offense we were running for a year and a half when Frank's was a dreadful failure?
yeah, everything in your sentence I take exception to, it's all wrong and a gross misunderstanding of basketball
Lolwut? Pullen's last season; go look up who's offense we put in place when we couldn't do crap midway through the season.
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What proven or talented players are we adding next year?
Look them up. It will be interesting. Plus, the freshman will be better.
There is no talent or proven players. And the freshmen don't have to get better. The seniors didn't.
So, you're not going to look them up?
I did. no talent. not proven.
The proven requirement sounds really dumb for newcomers. Like, should we limit ourselves to all-conference transfers? If so, we'd have no players. Well, outside of Edwards, I guess. The talent requirement is both dumb and vague. Try to define it and you'll see what I mean.
the transfers aren't proven you rough ridin' dumbass.
That's not really what I was talking about. But if you could try to clarify what you mean by proven, it would be helpful. It's hard for me to imagine that you could give an example of a proven recruiting class that would meet you standards.
The team will get better because of an infusion of talent or proven players. Because a proven player isn't/wasn't available doesn't mean it is invalid. An example is Aaron Murray of Texas Southern. But keep being a complete dumbass. It's not a standard, it's a reason a team will get better, regardless of its frequency. The real or more probable reason (maybe easier?) is talent, and we aren't adding that either.
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I upgraded oscar from awful hire to average college coach 3 months ago.
The problem I have is that there were probably 6 great hires that we could have made at the time.
1. Larry Brown (didn't think he was available)
2. Gregg Marshall (thought he was available and wanted him badly)
3. Lon Kruger (not sure if available but would have liked for us to go after him)
4. Jankovich (thought he was available but he took an assistant job to the legend Larry Brown)
5. Brad Underwood (available and an extremely easy hire).
6. Doug Gottlieb (available and would have recruited more talent to K-State than we have ever seen).
I also was interested in Brad Stevens and Tad Boyle but I don't think either would have came to Manhattan.
Anyhow I am still mad but have gained enough appreciation for oscar to realize that he does a good job with some things. I hate him in press conferences and in game coaching decisions, but he does teach an offensive system that works well at times. He also has apparently given the defense to someone who knows how to coach defense.
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What proven or talented players are we adding next year?
Look them up. It will be interesting. Plus, the freshman will be better.
There is no talent or proven players. And the freshmen don't have to get better. The seniors didn't.
So, you're not going to look them up?
I did. no talent. not proven.
The proven requirement sounds really dumb for newcomers. Like, should we limit ourselves to all-conference transfers? If so, we'd have no players. Well, outside of Edwards, I guess. The talent requirement is both dumb and vague. Try to define it and you'll see what I mean.
the transfers aren't proven you rough ridin' dumbass.
That's not really what I was talking about. But if you could try to clarify what you mean by proven, it would be helpful. It's hard for me to imagine that you could give an example of a proven recruiting class that would meet you standards.
The team will get better because of an infusion of talent or proven players. Because a proven player isn't/wasn't available doesn't mean it is invalid. An example is Aaron Murray of Texas Southern. But keep being a complete dumbass. It's not a standard, it's a reason a team will get better, regardless of its frequency. The real or more probable reason (maybe easier?) is talent, and we aren't adding that either.
So, your not going to say what you mean by "talented" or "proven"?
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talent - add a Curtis Kelly, sprinkle in a Rodney McGruder and Wally Judge
proven - add a Denis Clemente
jfc chum. quit be a rough ridin' contrarian just to be one.
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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yep clearly Frank's fault, add the last two tournaments to all of the times that loser Frank lost in the round of 64
Frank and oscar can both get mumped. They're proving just how terrible they both are. Without Hill recruiting and Brad drawing up X and Os Frank is worthless.
lol, okay
I love how you love to think you are so smart but you really aren't. It's cute.
I'm sure you'll have no issue explaining to us what X's & O's Brad taught Frank that he didn't know before.
Are you really trying to debate that it wasn't Brad's offense we were running for a year and a half when Frank's was a dreadful failure?
yeah, everything in your sentence I take exception to, it's all wrong and a gross misunderstanding of basketball
So yeah, MiR wrong once again, called out, and makes up bullshit reason to deflect. Pretty much rinse and repeat the usual bull when you're wrong.
deflect? You asked me a question and I point blank answered it? Go take your Paxil.
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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yep clearly Frank's fault, add the last two tournaments to all of the times that loser Frank lost in the round of 64
Frank and oscar can both get mumped. They're proving just how terrible they both are. Without Hill recruiting and Brad drawing up X and Os Frank is worthless.
lol, okay
I love how you love to think you are so smart but you really aren't. It's cute.
I'm sure you'll have no issue explaining to us what X's & O's Brad taught Frank that he didn't know before.
Are you really trying to debate that it wasn't Brad's offense we were running for a year and a half when Frank's was a dreadful failure?
yeah, everything in your sentence I take exception to, it's all wrong and a gross misunderstanding of basketball
So yeah, MiR wrong once again, called out, and makes up bullshit reason to deflect. Pretty much rinse and repeat the usual bull when you're wrong.
deflect? You asked me a question and I point blank answered it? Go take your Paxil.
Go have an emotional outburst somewhere (you're apparently really good at it.)
Either the entire offensive talking point for a year and a half of KSU offense is a lie, or MiR is totally wrong (again).
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talent - add a Curtis Kelly, sprinkle in a Rodney McGruder and Wally Judge
proven - add a Denis Clemente
jfc chum. quit be a rough ridin' contrarian just to be one.
No one knew what to expect from Kelly beforehand. Could easily have sucked. Judge did suck, so I don't know why you'd want one of him in your hypothetical. Clemente didn't do much at Miami. I don't think you really knew those guys upon arrival would be any better or worse than any players coming in next year. You're fooling yourself if you think you did.
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talent - add a Curtis Kelly, sprinkle in a Rodney McGruder and Wally Judge
proven - add a Denis Clemente
jfc chum. quit be a rough ridin' contrarian just to be one.
No one knew what to expect from Kelly beforehand. Could easily have sucked. Judge did suck, so I don't know why you'd want one of him in your hypothetical. Clemente didn't do much at Miami. I don't think you really knew those guys upon arrival would be any better or worse than any players coming in next year. You're fooling yourself if you think you did.
Yeah Clemente was more talent than proven. Kelly was definitely talent.
Go cats.
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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yep clearly Frank's fault, add the last two tournaments to all of the times that loser Frank lost in the round of 64
Frank and oscar can both get mumped. They're proving just how terrible they both are. Without Hill recruiting and Brad drawing up X and Os Frank is worthless.
lol, okay
I love how you love to think you are so smart but you really aren't. It's cute.
I'm sure you'll have no issue explaining to us what X's & O's Brad taught Frank that he didn't know before.
Are you really trying to debate that it wasn't Brad's offense we were running for a year and a half when Frank's was a dreadful failure?
yeah, everything in your sentence I take exception to, it's all wrong and a gross misunderstanding of basketball
Lolwut? Pullen's last season; go look up who's offense we put in place when we couldn't do crap midway through the season.
So there's two things that make this talking point a flawed premise at best and just an outright lie at worst. So before we go into the actual offense, it's called the pinch post since clearly you and ednksu don't remember, let's talk about the set up of this absurd point.
You guys say that Brad saved Frank's offense, do you think Frank put in the entire offense without the help & consultation of his assistants? Then one day a half season after his supposed shitty offense took the team to a 2 seed and the elite 8 he decided to cede all control and let Brad completely take over. If this absurd scenario makes sense to you and you think this happened let's go to point two.
Brad didn't invent the pinch post, I learned about it at a high school coaching convention several years ago. We were running elements of it every year before the mid season switch, that's why it was relatively seamless to put it in before conference play started, many of the bigs actions were similar.
What happened is that we were struggling without Curt, Brad recommended we do the pinch post, Frank agreed.
"Brad's offense" didn't save Frank, that is highly inaccurate
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Our Fanbase Is So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Sigh.
Yeah, like guys predicting a Sweet 16 :D
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Frank's seniors exit with a 3 for 16 effort.
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yep clearly Frank's fault, add the last two tournaments to all of the times that loser Frank lost in the round of 64
Frank and oscar can both get mumped. They're proving just how terrible they both are. Without Hill recruiting and Brad drawing up X and Os Frank is worthless.
lol, okay
I love how you love to think you are so smart but you really aren't. It's cute.
I'm sure you'll have no issue explaining to us what X's & O's Brad taught Frank that he didn't know before.
Are you really trying to debate that it wasn't Brad's offense we were running for a year and a half when Frank's was a dreadful failure?
yeah, everything in your sentence I take exception to, it's all wrong and a gross misunderstanding of basketball
Lolwut? Pullen's last season; go look up who's offense we put in place when we couldn't do crap midway through the season.
So there's two things that make this talking point a flawed premise at best and just an outright lie at worst. So before we go into the actual offense, it's called the pinch post since clearly you and ednksu don't remember, let's talk about the set up of this absurd point.
You guys say that Brad saved Frank's offense, do you think Frank put in the entire offense without the help & consultation of his assistants? Then one day a half season after his supposed shitty offense took the team to a 2 seed and the elite 8 he decided to cede all control and let Brad completely take over. If this absurd scenario makes sense to you and you think this happened let's go to point two.
Brad didn't invent the pinch post, I learned about it at a high school coaching convention several years ago. We were running elements of it every year before the mid season switch, that's why it was relatively seamless to put it in before conference play started, many of the bigs actions were similar.
What happened is that we were struggling without Curt, Brad recommended we do the pinch post, Frank agreed.
"Brad's offense" didn't save Frank, that is highly inaccurate
Yeah you're totally wrong. The Pinch post pinwheel was Brad's. End of story. Frank was not running that and turned to Brad to install that, please go replay post game interviews right around when Pullen was coming back from his suspension (off hand I think). No one is saying Brad ran the team or totally ran the offense. People are saying Frank turned to a better offensive system than his owned and helped to work it into a team that made a great couple runs. So yeah, you're either wrong about, your now convoluted, point, or are projecting a rage strawman into what I'm saying.
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I'm not going to quote the smorgasbord of posts in MIR's last reply/ quote, but he's right. If anything it was a good job of coaching by both Frank and Brad at the time. This whole idea of black and white, or crediting one guy necessitates trashing someone else is ridiculous. Like literally ridiculous, as in when you do it you're deserving of ridicule. Which sucks, because it is basically what half the post around here are.
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I'm not going to quote the smorgasbord of posts in MIR's last reply/ quote, but he's right. If anything it was a good job of coaching by both Frank and Brad at the time. This whole idea of black and white, or crediting one guy necessitates trashing someone else is ridiculous. Like literally ridiculous, as in when you do it you're deserving of ridicule. Which sucks, because it is basically what half the post around here are.
So it was all lies that Brad pushed the pinwheel? GMAFB you people are nuts.
No one is saying its black and white. It took a lot of humility for Frank to allow Brad to step up and install the offense like he did. Both coaches worked that system pretty damn well.
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Undy sold pp to Frank after asprilla left and we had no bigs.
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Undy sold pp to Frank after asprilla left and we had no bigs.
DING!
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Our Fanbase Is So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Sigh.
Yeah, like guys predicting a Sweet 16 :D
:D
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I'm not going to quote the smorgasbord of posts in MIR's last reply/ quote, but he's right. If anything it was a good job of coaching by both Frank and Brad at the time. This whole idea of black and white, or crediting one guy necessitates trashing someone else is ridiculous. Like literally ridiculous, as in when you do it you're deserving of ridicule. Which sucks, because it is basically what half the post around here are.
Agreed. The assertion that taking advice from assistants somehow makes you an inferior head coach is just the most rough ridin' asinine thing ever. Frank hired good assistants who had a plethora of basketball knowledge, and instead of being a prideful bad person, he took some of their advice to heart and it worked out well.
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I upgraded oscar from awful hire to average college coach 3 months ago.
The problem I have is that there were probably 6 great hires that we could have made at the time.
1. Larry Brown (didn't think he was available)
2. Gregg Marshall (thought he was available and wanted him badly)
3. Lon Kruger (not sure if available but would have liked for us to go after him)
4. Jankovich (thought he was available but he took an assistant job to the legend Larry Brown)
5. Brad Underwood (available and an extremely easy hire).
6. Doug Gottlieb (available and would have recruited more talent to K-State than we have ever seen).
I also was interested in Brad Stevens and Tad Boyle but I don't think either would have came to Manhattan.
Anyhow I am still mad but have gained enough appreciation for oscar to realize that he does a good job with some things. I hate him in press conferences and in game coaching decisions, but he does teach an offensive system that works well at times. He also has apparently given the defense to someone who knows how to coach defense.
Jankovich? Really? I doubt he would have even taken us to the tournament last year.
I was on #teamUnderwood as soon as Frank left, but I got ridiculed for it by some of you.
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oscar Weber....1 win last 7 NCAA tournament games :goodbyecruelworld:
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I'm not going to quote the smorgasbord of posts in MIR's last reply/ quote, but he's right. If anything it was a good job of coaching by both Frank and Brad at the time. This whole idea of black and white, or crediting one guy necessitates trashing someone else is ridiculous. Like literally ridiculous, as in when you do it you're deserving of ridicule. Which sucks, because it is basically what half the post around here are.
So it was all lies that Brad pushed the pinwheel? GMAFB you people are nuts.
No one is saying its black and white. It took a lot of humility for Frank to allow Brad to step up and install the offense like he did. Both coaches worked that system pretty damn well.
But what MIR was saying is that it wasn't some overnight overhaul or "installing" of anything. They'd been doing it for years, only at more limited increments. I'd agree it took some humility on Frank's part, but probably less than one might imagine. Basically two coaches getting together and figuring out a game plan that best suited their team moving forward at a critical point in their season.
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Undy sold pp to Frank after asprilla left and we had no bigs.
DING!
Are you trolling or have the world's worst comprehension? Cire is agreeing with my post. To recap slowly.
mixedberrycrunch Said Brad's offense saved Frank
I said that offense, called the pinch post, was not Brad's offense people ran it before he was a coach, & he recommended it to Frank who said yes.
you found some weird way to disagree with what I told you
cire posted this and you agreed
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oscar Weber....1 win last 7 NCAA tournament games :goodbyecruelworld:
Oh my
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oscar Weber....1 win last 7 NCAA tournament games :goodbyecruelworld:
awful
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I'm not going to quote the smorgasbord of posts in MIR's last reply/ quote, but he's right. If anything it was a good job of coaching by both Frank and Brad at the time. This whole idea of black and white, or crediting one guy necessitates trashing someone else is ridiculous. Like literally ridiculous, as in when you do it you're deserving of ridicule. Which sucks, because it is basically what half the post around here are.
So it was all lies that Brad pushed the pinwheel? GMAFB you people are nuts.
No one is saying its black and white. It took a lot of humility for Frank to allow Brad to step up and install the offense like he did. Both coaches worked that system pretty damn well.
But what MIR was saying is that it wasn't some overnight overhaul or "installing" of anything. They'd been doing it for years, only at more limited increments. I'd agree it took some humility on Frank's part, but probably less than one might imagine. Basically two coaches getting together and figuring out a game plan that best suited their team moving forward at a critical point in their season.
the guy is weird, he told me I was wrong and then in the same post agreed with what I posted
it's like that Chappelle Show Charlie Murphy Rick James sketch where he says he would never put his feet on someone's couch then the next sentence says he put his feet on Eddie Murphy's couch and blended it on cocaine
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Mir Is Such A Racist.
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I don't care what oscar did at Illinois.
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I don't care what oscar did at Illinois.
You probably should if those trends continue at K-State.
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I don't care what oscar did at Illinois.
You probably should if those trends continue at K-State.
Nope. Still won't give a crap regardless of what happens here.
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I don't care what oscar did at Illinois.
You probably should if those trends continue at K-State.
Nope. Still won't give a crap regardless of what happens here.
That's not very smart.
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I don't care what oscar did at Illinois.
You probably should if those trends continue at K-State.
He's been polarizing enough here in 2 seasons that Illinois doesn't matter anymore at all. He has a good foundation in place here and had won a lot of games & a conference title. However, the fans haven't gotten on board en masse, that showing in KC was an embarrassment; and the two round of 64 exits are bad. He has a bit of pressure on him now, what's sad is that the regular season in 14-15, won't mean anything, even if he wins another conference title. His seat will become blazing if he loses another 2nd round game.
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Mir Is Such A Racist.
I'm not sure why you're lashing out at me, let's talk about this post next time I see you, and I'm gonna need more than "I was pak'ed"
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Mir Is Such A Racist.
I'm not sure why you're lashing out at me, let's talk about this post next time I see you, and I'm gonna need more than "I was pak'ed"
yeah, what the eff fanning?
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I don't care what oscar did at Illinois.
You probably should if those trends continue at K-State.
He's been polarizing enough here in 2 seasons that Illinois doesn't matter anymore at all. He has a good foundation in place here and had won a lot of games & a conference title. However, the fans haven't gotten on board en masse, that showing in KC was an embarrassment; and the two round of 64 exits are bad. He has a bit of pressure on him now, what's sad is that the regular season in 14-15, won't mean anything, even if he wins another conference title. His seat will become blazing if he loses another 2nd round game.
I see what you're saying, but if we have another first round exit next year, then I think results prior to K-State should be considered. I understand that his seat will be hot regardless, but his previous failures in the tourney at Illinois should be a factor, because it would be a long term trend that should not be ignored by our AD.
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Mir Is Such A Racist.
I'm not sure why you're lashing out at me, let's talk about this post next time I see you, and I'm gonna need more than "I was pak'ed"
:Sword Fight:
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I don't care what oscar did at Illinois.
You probably should if those trends continue at K-State.
He's been polarizing enough here in 2 seasons that Illinois doesn't matter anymore at all. He has a good foundation in place here and had won a lot of games & a conference title. However, the fans haven't gotten on board en masse, that showing in KC was an embarrassment; and the two round of 64 exits are bad. He has a bit of pressure on him now, what's sad is that the regular season in 14-15, won't mean anything, even if he wins another conference title. His seat will become blazing if he loses another 2nd round game.
I don't know if I'm the only one that believes this. The tournament is a crapshoot. Last year KSU/ oscar definitely shat the bed. His biggest mistake was not playing JO more (same could be said for the whole season really), and that was a game the Cats should have won. It really was a great chance for a deep run.
This season was simply a terrible match-up against a team in Kentucky whose strengths match up terribly with KSU's weaknesses a la Baylor.
Maybe I'm wrong, but you just gotta keep consistently getting in and earning higher seeds and eventually you'll make your run.
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Yes but if he doesn't it would be three years in a row here without a tourney win, that isn't just attributed to cold dice. We've gone 7 seasons before tonight, having back to back sessions without a tourney win. Finishing the season the way we have the last two seasons does nothing to build positive momentum. Many casual fans can get swayed by success in March, just as fans can get frustrated with excessive March Failures, cold dice. There would be a whole lot less Frankites if we couldn't get out of the round of 64.
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I don't care what oscar did at Illinois.
You probably should if those trends continue at K-State.
He's been polarizing enough here in 2 seasons that Illinois doesn't matter anymore at all. He has a good foundation in place here and had won a lot of games & a conference title. However, the fans haven't gotten on board en masse, that showing in KC was an embarrassment; and the two round of 64 exits are bad. He has a bit of pressure on him now, what's sad is that the regular season in 14-15, won't mean anything, even if he wins another conference title. His seat will become blazing if he loses another 2nd round game.
I don't know if I'm the only one that believes this. The tournament is a crapshoot. Last year KSU/ oscar definitely shat the bed. His biggest mistake was not playing JO more (same could be said for the whole season really), and that was a game the Cats should have won. It really was a great chance for a deep run.
This season was simply a terrible match-up against a team in Kentucky whose strengths match up terribly with KSU's weaknesses a la Baylor.
Maybe I'm wrong, but you just gotta keep consistently getting in and earning higher seeds and eventually you'll make your run.
I don't think oscar is going to feel a lot of pressure while the football team keeps winning at the level it is.
If oscar is finishing in the top half and going to the tournament every year, and he beats KU once every couple of years, it's all he needs while we win in football. Especially, if Currie is still here.
Now, if Brad keeps killing it at SFA, then I think that's where the heat comes from. But we're not going to fire a guy that's going to the tournament every year. I don't feel that's something the KSU administration would be okay with.
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Yes but if he doesn't it would be three years in a row here without a tourney win, that isn't just attributed to cold dice. We've gone 7 seasons before tonight, having back to back sessions without a tourney win. Finishing the season the way we have the last two seasons does nothing to build positive momentum. Many casual fans can get swayed by success in March, just as fans can get frustrated with excessive March Failures, cold dice. There would be a whole lot less Frankites if we couldn't get out of the round of 64.
Oh yeah. Like I said, the loss to LaSalle was a failure. This loss nah. But, like you said whatever happens next year the microscope will be on come tourney time. The four-straight losses this season hurts too.
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I don't care what oscar did at Illinois.
You probably should if those trends continue at K-State.
He's been polarizing enough here in 2 seasons that Illinois doesn't matter anymore at all. He has a good foundation in place here and had won a lot of games & a conference title. However, the fans haven't gotten on board en masse, that showing in KC was an embarrassment; and the two round of 64 exits are bad. He has a bit of pressure on him now, what's sad is that the regular season in 14-15, won't mean anything, even if he wins another conference title. His seat will become blazing if he loses another 2nd round game.
I see what you're saying, but if we have another first round exit next year, then I think results prior to K-State should be considered. I understand that his seat will be hot regardless, but his previous failures in the tourney at Illinois should be a factor, because it would be a long term trend that should not be ignored by our AD.
So, I'm not smart because I don't care to play Junior AD?
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Yes but if he doesn't it would be three years in a row here without a tourney win, that isn't just attributed to cold dice. We've gone 7 seasons before tonight, having back to back sessions without a tourney win. Finishing the season the way we have the last two seasons does nothing to build positive momentum. Many casual fans can get swayed by success in March, just as fans can get frustrated with excessive March Failures, cold dice. There would be a whole lot less Frankites if we couldn't get out of the round of 64.
Oh yeah. Like I said, the loss to LaSalle was a failure. This loss nah. But, like you said whatever happens next year the microscope will be on come tourney time. The four-straight losses this season hurts too.
He's going to get a pass for this year because his freshmen, as a whole, played better than Frank's seniors.
That's going to buy him capital with a large segment of the fan base.
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I don't care what oscar did at Illinois.
You probably should if those trends continue at K-State.
He's been polarizing enough here in 2 seasons that Illinois doesn't matter anymore at all. He has a good foundation in place here and had won a lot of games & a conference title. However, the fans haven't gotten on board en masse, that showing in KC was an embarrassment; and the two round of 64 exits are bad. He has a bit of pressure on him now, what's sad is that the regular season in 14-15, won't mean anything, even if he wins another conference title. His seat will become blazing if he loses another 2nd round game.
I don't know if I'm the only one that believes this. The tournament is a crapshoot. Last year KSU/ oscar definitely shat the bed. His biggest mistake was not playing JO more (same could be said for the whole season really), and that was a game the Cats should have won. It really was a great chance for a deep run.
This season was simply a terrible match-up against a team in Kentucky whose strengths match up terribly with KSU's weaknesses a la Baylor.
Maybe I'm wrong, but you just gotta keep consistently getting in and earning higher seeds and eventually you'll make your run.
I don't think oscar is going to feel a lot of pressure while the football team keeps winning at the level it is.
If oscar is finishing in the top half and going to the tournament every year, and he beats KU once every couple of years, it's all he needs while we win in football. Especially, if Currie is still here.
Now, if Brad keeps killing it at SFA, then I think that's where the heat comes from. But we're not going to fire a guy that's going to the tournament every year. I don't feel that's something the KSU administration would be okay with.
Part of our problem is how comfortable a large portion of KSU has become staying where we have historically been - average. They justify it using words like 'family' 'grass roots' 'blue collar' etc.. but it's really just a feel good way of saying 'average as eff'. I know Currie is good at pinching pennies out of donors pockets but we need someone with some nuts to hire people who can win real crap on the big stage.
Could have taken a chance with pearl and now we'll never know. Could have taken a chance with Patterson but now we'll never know.
KSU- Taking the 'safe' route every time!
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I don't care what oscar did at Illinois.
You probably should if those trends continue at K-State.
He's been polarizing enough here in 2 seasons that Illinois doesn't matter anymore at all. He has a good foundation in place here and had won a lot of games & a conference title. However, the fans haven't gotten on board en masse, that showing in KC was an embarrassment; and the two round of 64 exits are bad. He has a bit of pressure on him now, what's sad is that the regular season in 14-15, won't mean anything, even if he wins another conference title. His seat will become blazing if he loses another 2nd round game.
I don't know if I'm the only one that believes this. The tournament is a crapshoot. Last year KSU/ oscar definitely shat the bed. His biggest mistake was not playing JO more (same could be said for the whole season really), and that was a game the Cats should have won. It really was a great chance for a deep run.
This season was simply a terrible match-up against a team in Kentucky whose strengths match up terribly with KSU's weaknesses a la Baylor.
Maybe I'm wrong, but you just gotta keep consistently getting in and earning higher seeds and eventually you'll make your run.
I don't think oscar is going to feel a lot of pressure while the football team keeps winning at the level it is.
If oscar is finishing in the top half and going to the tournament every year, and he beats KU once every couple of years, it's all he needs while we win in football. Especially, if Currie is still here.
Now, if Brad keeps killing it at SFA, then I think that's where the heat comes from. But we're not going to fire a guy that's going to the tournament every year. I don't feel that's something the KSU administration would be okay with.
Brad will get a good job before then and won't sit around and pine for the KSU job.
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eastcat doesn't know what average means
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I don't care what oscar did at Illinois.
You probably should if those trends continue at K-State.
He's been polarizing enough here in 2 seasons that Illinois doesn't matter anymore at all. He has a good foundation in place here and had won a lot of games & a conference title. However, the fans haven't gotten on board en masse, that showing in KC was an embarrassment; and the two round of 64 exits are bad. He has a bit of pressure on him now, what's sad is that the regular season in 14-15, won't mean anything, even if he wins another conference title. His seat will become blazing if he loses another 2nd round game.
I don't know if I'm the only one that believes this. The tournament is a crapshoot. Last year KSU/ oscar definitely shat the bed. His biggest mistake was not playing JO more (same could be said for the whole season really), and that was a game the Cats should have won. It really was a great chance for a deep run.
This season was simply a terrible match-up against a team in Kentucky whose strengths match up terribly with KSU's weaknesses a la Baylor.
Maybe I'm wrong, but you just gotta keep consistently getting in and earning higher seeds and eventually you'll make your run.
I don't think oscar is going to feel a lot of pressure while the football team keeps winning at the level it is.
If oscar is finishing in the top half and going to the tournament every year, and he beats KU once every couple of years, it's all he needs while we win in football. Especially, if Currie is still here.
Now, if Brad keeps killing it at SFA, then I think that's where the heat comes from. But we're not going to fire a guy that's going to the tournament every year. I don't feel that's something the KSU administration would be okay with.
Part of our problem is how comfortable a large portion of KSU has become staying where we have historically been - average. They justify it using words like 'family' 'grass roots' 'blue collar' etc.. but it's really just a feel good way of saying 'average as eff'. I know Currie is good at pinching pennies out of donors pockets but we need someone with some nuts to hire people who can win real crap on the big stage.
Could have taken a chance with pearl and now we'll never know. Could have taken a chance with Patterson but now we'll never know.
KSU- Taking the 'safe' route every time!
But what is average? KSU is now tied with Florida for the most consecutive NCAA tournament appearances, and oscar has 2 of the 5. We'll make the tournament, most likely, each of the next two years. Seven consecutive trips puts us into what is currently Louisville, Ohio State, and Syracuse territory.
oscar needs to win a game in March. I think that happens next year. But he's got around a .700 winning percentage at KSU right now, and we bring back nearly the entire roster. If he keeps winning, even at this level, that consistent level of 'B+' is hard to find unless you're a really elite program.
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I don't care what oscar did at Illinois.
You probably should if those trends continue at K-State.
He's been polarizing enough here in 2 seasons that Illinois doesn't matter anymore at all. He has a good foundation in place here and had won a lot of games & a conference title. However, the fans haven't gotten on board en masse, that showing in KC was an embarrassment; and the two round of 64 exits are bad. He has a bit of pressure on him now, what's sad is that the regular season in 14-15, won't mean anything, even if he wins another conference title. His seat will become blazing if he loses another 2nd round game.
I don't know if I'm the only one that believes this. The tournament is a crapshoot. Last year KSU/ oscar definitely shat the bed. His biggest mistake was not playing JO more (same could be said for the whole season really), and that was a game the Cats should have won. It really was a great chance for a deep run.
This season was simply a terrible match-up against a team in Kentucky whose strengths match up terribly with KSU's weaknesses a la Baylor.
Maybe I'm wrong, but you just gotta keep consistently getting in and earning higher seeds and eventually you'll make your run.
I don't think oscar is going to feel a lot of pressure while the football team keeps winning at the level it is.
If oscar is finishing in the top half and going to the tournament every year, and he beats KU once every couple of years, it's all he needs while we win in football. Especially, if Currie is still here.
Now, if Brad keeps killing it at SFA, then I think that's where the heat comes from. But we're not going to fire a guy that's going to the tournament every year. I don't feel that's something the KSU administration would be okay with.
Brad will get a good job before then and won't sit around and pine for the KSU job.
Oh, I know. I'm just talking about immediate heat from donors and fans that would rather have Brad.
And, who knows, at any given time, Brad may consider this his dream job like Huggs considered WVU his dream job?
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1. Panj, you said we're tied with Florida with most consecutive tournament appearances at 5. I assume you're saying we're tied for 5th most consecutive appearances, right?
2. Frank and oscar's strengths are different, so these talking points are going to keep going around and around. Frank was inconsistent to the point that if he was hear last year, I don't think we would have won a Big 12 Championship. We would have lost a few more games that we shouldn't have, but maybe beat KU at home to make up for it. However, there is no doubt in my mind that if we had the same slot in the tourney we would have beaten La Salle. And we would have been talked about more (we were a borderline top 10 team for almost all of conference play, but most people will never remember that because no one wanted to talk about us, and I think that's oscar's fault.)
3. Why is coaching the tournament so different? A lot of coaches seem to have completely different reputations when it comes to tournament coaching vs. regular season coaching. I don't doubt that. But it seems weird to me that there is such a big disparity between them for a lot of coaches.
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Undy sold pp to Frank after asprilla left and we had no bigs.
DING!
Are you trolling or have the world's worst comprehension? Cire is agreeing with my post. To recap slowly.
mixedberrycrunch Said Brad's offense saved Frank
I said that offense, called the pinch post, was not Brad's offense people ran it before he was a coach, & he recommended it to Frank who said yes.
you found some weird way to disagree with what I told you
cire posted this and you agreed
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Hopefully your haldol has kicked in by the time you read this.
Mix and I never said Brad invented the PP/Pin. We said that it was Brad's offense in our system. That is undeniably a fact. You are trying to revise history in order to make your point look less asinine. Yes Brad's offense, his advise to go 100% his direction, saved that season for Frank. That in no way shape or form is what Frank wanted to do that season as evidence by the floundering offense we had for the first half of the year. You can attempt to revise history all you want in order to make Frank look better, but its still a lie. No one on post game for a season and a half referred to the offense as "the great compromise between dear leader Frank and coach Underwood to adopt an old offense based on mutual agreement." It was always "Brad's offense." This stupid debate is the same as saying the motion/spread that Bama could go to next year is Sabans and only Sabans, even though he got a new OC, who coincidentally wanted to make some changes.
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sigh
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talent - add a Curtis Kelly, sprinkle in a Rodney McGruder and Wally Judge
proven - add a Denis Clemente
jfc chum. quit be a rough ridin' contrarian just to be one.
No one knew what to expect from Kelly beforehand. Could easily have sucked. Judge did suck, so I don't know why you'd want one of him in your hypothetical. Clemente didn't do much at Miami. I don't think you really knew those guys upon arrival would be any better or worse than any players coming in next year. You're fooling yourself if you think you did.
Kelly was a 5*, Judge was a 5*, McGruder was a 4*, all "added" talent. Judge provided good minutes his freshman year (and Judge flaming out also disproves your "hey the freshman will automatically get better" theory).
You're rough ridin' stupid if you think Clemente wasn't proven.
The 6-0, 180-pound native of Puerto Rico averaged 9.8 points while shooting 43.5% for Miami last year as a sophomore. He played in 27 games and scored in double figures in 11. He also averaged 3.3 assists and 2.5 rebounds. In Atlanic Coast Conference play, he averaged 10.5 points and 2.6 assists.
and the point isn't that you know, with 100% certainty, what each player will be, but that you have a basis (i.e. stars or historical/proven body of work) to go on for why you think the team will be better.
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Go look at oscar's tournament record....when he didn't have Bill Self's NBA players. Woof.
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talent - add a Curtis Kelly, sprinkle in a Rodney McGruder and Wally Judge
proven - add a Denis Clemente
jfc chum. quit be a rough ridin' contrarian just to be one.
No one knew what to expect from Kelly beforehand. Could easily have sucked. Judge did suck, so I don't know why you'd want one of him in your hypothetical. Clemente didn't do much at Miami. I don't think you really knew those guys upon arrival would be any better or worse than any players coming in next year. You're fooling yourself if you think you did.
Kelly was a 5*, Judge was a 5*, McGruder was a 4*, all "added" talent. Judge provided good minutes his freshman year (and Judge flaming out also disproves your "hey the freshman will automatically get better" theory).
You're rough ridin' stupid if you think Clemente wasn't proven.
The 6-0, 180-pound native of Puerto Rico averaged 9.8 points while shooting 43.5% for Miami last year as a sophomore. He played in 27 games and scored in double figures in 11. He also averaged 3.3 assists and 2.5 rebounds. In Atlanic Coast Conference play, he averaged 10.5 points and 2.6 assists.
and the point isn't that you know, with 100% certainty, what each player will be, but that you have a basis (i.e. stars or historical/proven body of work) to go on for why you think the team will be better.
It's pretty dumb to say that there's no talent in this class solely because there are no five stars or whatever. If that's true, there was no talent in last year's class, which is clearly not the case. Talent is just a very vague concept and you haven't really helped me to understand what you mean by it.
I totally misremembered about Clemente, which is rare because I have an excellent memory.
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The Maine guy and the Georgetown guy had better be effing good
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talent - add a Curtis Kelly, sprinkle in a Rodney McGruder and Wally Judge
proven - add a Denis Clemente
jfc chum. quit be a rough ridin' contrarian just to be one.
No one knew what to expect from Kelly beforehand. Could easily have sucked. Judge did suck, so I don't know why you'd want one of him in your hypothetical. Clemente didn't do much at Miami. I don't think you really knew those guys upon arrival would be any better or worse than any players coming in next year. You're fooling yourself if you think you did.
Kelly was a 5*, Judge was a 5*, McGruder was a 4*, all "added" talent. Judge provided good minutes his freshman year (and Judge flaming out also disproves your "hey the freshman will automatically get better" theory).
You're rough ridin' stupid if you think Clemente wasn't proven.
The 6-0, 180-pound native of Puerto Rico averaged 9.8 points while shooting 43.5% for Miami last year as a sophomore. He played in 27 games and scored in double figures in 11. He also averaged 3.3 assists and 2.5 rebounds. In Atlanic Coast Conference play, he averaged 10.5 points and 2.6 assists.
and the point isn't that you know, with 100% certainty, what each player will be, but that you have a basis (i.e. stars or historical/proven body of work) to go on for why you think the team will be better.
It's pretty dumb to say that there's no talent in this class solely because there are no five stars or whatever. If that's true, there was no talent in last year's class, which is clearly not the case. Talent is just a very vague concept and you haven't really helped me to understand what you mean by it.
I totally misremembered about Clemente, which is rare because I have an excellent memory.
you can't do a postmortem and then say you new the cause of death a year ago. stars are an indicator - again, have all the confidence in the world about next year's team - I do not because there isn't any talent or proven players coming in to aid the core guys (who may or may not get better). I'm sorry you can't understand the concept of talent as judged by recruiting services; it's a commonly accepted premise, so I'm amazed someone at your intelligence level can't comprehend it.
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Jesus, 'Zacker.
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talent - add a Curtis Kelly, sprinkle in a Rodney McGruder and Wally Judge
proven - add a Denis Clemente
jfc chum. quit be a rough ridin' contrarian just to be one.
No one knew what to expect from Kelly beforehand. Could easily have sucked. Judge did suck, so I don't know why you'd want one of him in your hypothetical. Clemente didn't do much at Miami. I don't think you really knew those guys upon arrival would be any better or worse than any players coming in next year. You're fooling yourself if you think you did.
Kelly was a 5*, Judge was a 5*, McGruder was a 4*, all "added" talent. Judge provided good minutes his freshman year (and Judge flaming out also disproves your "hey the freshman will automatically get better" theory).
You're rough ridin' stupid if you think Clemente wasn't proven.
The 6-0, 180-pound native of Puerto Rico averaged 9.8 points while shooting 43.5% for Miami last year as a sophomore. He played in 27 games and scored in double figures in 11. He also averaged 3.3 assists and 2.5 rebounds. In Atlanic Coast Conference play, he averaged 10.5 points and 2.6 assists.
and the point isn't that you know, with 100% certainty, what each player will be, but that you have a basis (i.e. stars or historical/proven body of work) to go on for why you think the team will be better.
It's pretty dumb to say that there's no talent in this class solely because there are no five stars or whatever. If that's true, there was no talent in last year's class, which is clearly not the case. Talent is just a very vague concept and you haven't really helped me to understand what you mean by it.
I totally misremembered about Clemente, which is rare because I have an excellent memory.
you can't do a postmortem and then say you new the cause of death a year ago. stars are an indicator - again, have all the confidence in the world about next year's team - I do not because there isn't any talent or proven players coming in to aid the core guys (who may or may not get better). I'm sorry you can't understand the concept of talent as judged by recruiting services; it's a commonly accepted premise, so I'm amazed someone at your intelligence level can't comprehend it.
I know that general point. It's been made a thousand times before. I'm saying that there seems to be something wrong with your current, unique suggestion that there is NO talent coming in next year. It's too strong.
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Jesus, 'Zacker.
what? someone says "hey we're going to be good" and I want to know why. i'm sorry if I don't just rough ridin' assume every single rough ridin' player on the roster will make some incredible rough ridin' leap and every single incoming player will be rough ridin' studs and disregard that every other team has returning players and incoming players.
Unless the Maine Bear, GT transfer, and Hurt are the rough ridin' crap AND jevon learns how to shoot a basketball as a sophomore in college AND Westicles and Foster get incrementally better, this team will be mediocre next year.
That is a lot of ANDs and IFs. Do other teams outside of KU have the same questions? Probably. I'd imagine UT will probably be good as they have talent and it is returning and they have a talented player coming in. The rest of the Big 12 might be garbage-y enough to make KSU seem not as mediocre.
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I know that general point. It's been made a thousand times before. I'm saying that there seems to be something wrong with your current, unique suggestion that there is NO talent coming in next year. It's too strong.
I dunno. 2 3*'s, a transfer from the America East Conference (unranked), and a transfer from GT (former 3*). That's talent?
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I know that general point. It's been made a thousand times before. I'm saying that there seems to be something wrong with your current, unique suggestion that there is NO talent coming in next year. It's too strong.
I dunno. 2 3*'s, a transfer from the America East Conference (unranked), and a transfer from GT (former 3*). That's talent?
What do you mean by "talent"?
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FWIW, Bolden's offer list was legit. Baylor, Florida, Georgia, Virginia, VCU, and Va Tech.
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The Maine guy and the Georgetown guy had better be effing good
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I know that general point. It's been made a thousand times before. I'm saying that there seems to be something wrong with your current, unique suggestion that there is NO talent coming in next year. It's too strong.
I dunno. 2 3*'s, a transfer from the America East Conference (unranked), and a transfer from GT (former 3*). That's talent?
What do you mean by "talent"?
eff, maybe start with a few top 150 kids? maybe a couple of 4*'s? jesus chum, I 'm sorry I can't break it down into a formula for you. look at the top 30 classes on rivals. they usually have quantified talent.
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I know that general point. It's been made a thousand times before. I'm saying that there seems to be something wrong with your current, unique suggestion that there is NO talent coming in next year. It's too strong.
I dunno. 2 3*'s, a transfer from the America East Conference (unranked), and a transfer from GT (former 3*). That's talent?
What do you mean by "talent"?
eff, maybe start with a few top 150 kids? maybe a couple of 4*'s? jesus chum, I 'm sorry I can't break it down into a formula for you. look at the top 30 classes on rivals. they usually have quantified talent.
So, if you don't have a formula, do you just base this on your gut feeling? That would explain why it is inaccessible to me.
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1. Panj, you said we're tied with Florida with most consecutive tournament appearances at 5. I assume you're saying we're tied for 5th most consecutive appearances, right?
2. Frank and oscar's strengths are different, so these talking points are going to keep going around and around. Frank was inconsistent to the point that if he was hear last year, I don't think we would have won a Big 12 Championship. We would have lost a few more games that we shouldn't have, but maybe beat KU at home to make up for it. However, there is no doubt in my mind that if we had the same slot in the tourney we would have beaten La Salle. And we would have been talked about more (we were a borderline top 10 team for almost all of conference play, but most people will never remember that because no one wanted to talk about us, and I think that's oscar's fault.)
3. Why is coaching the tournament so different? A lot of coaches seem to have completely different reputations when it comes to tournament coaching vs. regular season coaching. I don't doubt that. But it seems weird to me that there is such a big disparity between them for a lot of coaches.
Tied for 9th with five straight appearances.
KU is #1 with 25 straight, FWIW.
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I know that general point. It's been made a thousand times before. I'm saying that there seems to be something wrong with your current, unique suggestion that there is NO talent coming in next year. It's too strong.
I dunno. 2 3*'s, a transfer from the America East Conference (unranked), and a transfer from GT (former 3*). That's talent?
What do you mean by "talent"?
eff, maybe start with a few top 150 kids? maybe a couple of 4*'s? jesus chum, I 'm sorry I can't break it down into a formula for you. look at the top 30 classes on rivals. they usually have quantified talent.
So, if you don't have a formula, do you just base this on your gut feeling? That would explain why it is inaccessible to me.
Go by rivals ratings. Are you able to access that? I consider top 150 players or 4* players to have talent. Fill a class primarily with those. You are rough ridin' worthless with your stupid rough ridin' contrarian bullshit. You fein this stupidity form some reason. eff I thought dax was bad.
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I know that general point. It's been made a thousand times before. I'm saying that there seems to be something wrong with your current, unique suggestion that there is NO talent coming in next year. It's too strong.
I dunno. 2 3*'s, a transfer from the America East Conference (unranked), and a transfer from GT (former 3*). That's talent?
What do you mean by "talent"?
eff, maybe start with a few top 150 kids? maybe a couple of 4*'s? jesus chum, I 'm sorry I can't break it down into a formula for you. look at the top 30 classes on rivals. they usually have quantified talent.
So, if you don't have a formula, do you just base this on your gut feeling? That would explain why it is inaccessible to me.
Go by rivals ratings. Are you able to access that? I consider top 150 players or 4* players to have talent. Fill a class primarily with those. You are rough ridin' worthless with your stupid rough ridin' contrarian bullshit. You fein this stupidity form some reason. eff I thought dax was bad.
Like I said before, this commits you to saying that there was no talent in last year's class. That's totally absurd. You need to reject this theory.
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When you get left with total non talents in Spradling and Omari, and a spot up streak shooter at best as your senior "leadership". It makes things a little difficult.
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When you get left with total non talents in Spradling and Omari, and a spot up streak shooter at best as your senior "leadership". It makes things a little difficult.
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Shutup dumbass
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Nope. Go be angry elsewhere.
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I know that general point. It's been made a thousand times before. I'm saying that there seems to be something wrong with your current, unique suggestion that there is NO talent coming in next year. It's too strong.
I dunno. 2 3*'s, a transfer from the America East Conference (unranked), and a transfer from GT (former 3*). That's talent?
What do you mean by "talent"?
eff, maybe start with a few top 150 kids? maybe a couple of 4*'s? jesus chum, I 'm sorry I can't break it down into a formula for you. look at the top 30 classes on rivals. they usually have quantified talent.
So, if you don't have a formula, do you just base this on your gut feeling? That would explain why it is inaccessible to me.
Go by rivals ratings. Are you able to access that? I consider top 150 players or 4* players to have talent. Fill a class primarily with those. You are rough ridin' worthless with your stupid rough ridin' contrarian bullshit. You fein this stupidity form some reason. eff I thought dax was bad.
Like I said before, this commits you to saying that there was no talent in last year's class. That's totally absurd. You need to reject this theory.
No. You can have a warm fuzzy because foster turned out to be good. If you believe in the DITR recruiting as a reason to think stars don't matter that is fine. I think it is much more reliable to go off rankings in basketball as an indicator of talent.
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I completely accept that stars matter. I do not accept the assertion that a particular class with only three stars has no talent. And it isn't solely because there might be a Foster in it. It's because they reference two different ideas.
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We had two legit studs straight out of high/prep school in forever. Their coach parlayed their studom into a 4th place finish and a second round blowout loss to Camp Ginger. Other than that it's been 3 stars and transfers leading the way.
Some people just live in non reality.
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I completely accept that stars matter. I do not accept the assertion that a particular class with only three stars has no talent. And it isn't solely because there might be a Foster in it. It's because they reference two different ideas.
It might turn out to have talent but right now it doesn't. The let's win the lotto recruiting philosophy is always a good way to go about it.
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I completely accept that stars matter. I do not accept the assertion that a particular class with only three stars has no talent. And it isn't solely because there might be a Foster in it. It's because they reference two different ideas.
It might turn out to have talent but right now it doesn't. The let's win the lotto recruiting philosophy is always a good way to go about it.
No, it will, for certain, have talented players. There's very little risk.
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How talented, chum?
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If oscar wins the conference next year he should absolutely not be on the hot seat. No matter what. My goodness, folks.
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How talented, chum?
On par with the departing players maybe? Shane was HM all conference last year, Will was this year, I believe.
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Worst thread ever. :Yuck:
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if you think oscar can take this program to the 'next level' I might re-evaluate your intelligence, :frown:
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if you think oscar can take this program to the 'next level' I might re-evaluate your intelligence, :frown:
What is "next level"? Why wouldn't conference championship qualify as next level? Why should I care about next level? Please provide your most intelligent responses and I will evaluate.
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A coach that performs well in conference but doesn't do well in the NCAA tourney is going to pose a huge dilemma for like 99.8% of the AD's out there.
If oscar doesn't perform well at all he's going to be gone fairly soon. The athletic department needs healthy BB. For starters, our Tier 3 media contract is going to be coming up soon.
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IN!
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:lol:
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This mother rough rider! And Gene is there smiling just as happy as a bee (do bees smile?). Burn. This. rough rider. Down!
CASE CLOSED!
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I've been in for 5 years now
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I've been in for 5 years now
My second home is there.
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I'll be burning flicks while this pile of crap burns.
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[email protected]
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[email protected]
TY!
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Can't Wait For This Dur Of A Thread.
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nice work, NB. Sorry I didn't meltdown earlier after a big 12 'ship! :thumbs: Let's finally get this rough rider out of her!
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nice work, NB. Sorry I didn't meltdown earlier after a big 12 'ship! :thumbs: Let's finally get this rough rider out of her!
I couldn't resist, I accidentally clicked on the first page of this thread earlier tonight, thought it was funny.
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https://twitter.com/IM_MonEy/status/832047323131867136
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https://twitter.com/IM_MonEy/status/832047323131867136
looks very much like he is vying for an admin spot on wildcat salute
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Eff this guy!!
I'm done.
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nice work, NB. Sorry I didn't meltdown earlier after a big 12 'ship! :thumbs: Let's finally get this rough rider out of her!
I couldn't resist, I accidentally clicked on the first page of this thread earlier tonight, thought it was funny.
I don't blame you. Kinda fun to look back at.
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IN!
i don't understand; what did you learn last night that you didn't already know?
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https://twitter.com/IM_MonEy/status/832047323131867136
There are a ridiculously high number of "its the players fault" fans. I shouldn't be, but this mentality still surprises me.
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That our tourney hopes are pretty much gone and oscar can't even mediocre his way to a 12 seed after putting us in a position to get there. I'm fine with a home loss to KU, I was pissed after TCU, but getting blown out by Iowa State at home is unacceptable. Also, there was no motivation from our guys in a must win game at home. They were lifeless and that's on the coaching staff.
Congrats tho Day 1 BID'rs. Sorry I was hoping my school wasn't a complete crap show just to hurry in another coach.
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I'm actually still not BID yet, but I'll happily jump on the wagon if we lose any of the next three.
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We have 3 quality wins. 3! If we make it in, it's because the field is super weak.
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Dax was doing the "prior administration" thing in this basketball thread back in 2014!
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:lol:
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I bet we still make the tournament
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I bet we still make the tournament
I will change my username to whatever you choose if we do. I just don't see it.
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I bet we still make the tournament
I will change my username to whatever you choose if we do. I just don't see it.
we have 2 home games against teams we beat/should have beat on the road along with roadies against the two worst teams in the league. Plenty of "quality" wins and no bad losses.
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#bruce4-1eva
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I bet we still make the tournament
I will change my username to whatever you choose if we do. I just don't see it.
we have 2 home games against teams we beat/should have beat on the road along with roadies against the two worst teams in the league. Plenty of "quality" wins and no bad losses.
make his name something with buttstuff.. like buttstuffedbybruce
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I bet we still make the tournament
I will change my username to whatever you choose if we do. I just don't see it.
we have 2 home games against teams we beat/should have beat on the road along with roadies against the two worst teams in the league. Plenty of "quality" wins and no bad losses.
Last 10
HOME: 1-4 (win over WVa!)
ROAD: 2-3 (win over Baylor!)
Weirdly, you could say this team has played better on the road, so I don't think playing at home should give you any reason to think they have a better chance of winning.
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Last 10
HOME: 1-4 (win over WVa!)
ROAD: 2-3 (win over Baylor!)
Weirdly, you could say this team has played better on the road, so I don't think playing at home should give you any reason to think they have a better chance of winning.
if we restricted our analysis to kstate's last 10 games, we'd also conclude that the better the opponent, the better our chances of winning. at some point you have to allow inferences drawn from a larger set of games.
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Last 10
HOME: 1-4 (win over WVa!)
ROAD: 2-3 (win over Baylor!)
Weirdly, you could say this team has played better on the road, so I don't think playing at home should give you any reason to think they have a better chance of winning.
if we restricted our analysis to kstate's last 10 games, we'd also conclude that the better the opponent, the better our chances of winning. at some point you have to allow inferences drawn from a larger set of games.
Last 10 is a stat used in almost all sport standings to give a feel of trajectory/BID status. Plus, I like to use it cause I do a lot of drugs and short term memory loss is an issue, so it reminds me.
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I bet we still make the tournament
I will change my username to whatever you choose if we do. I just don't see it.
we have 2 home games against teams we beat/should have beat on the road along with roadies against the two worst teams in the league. Plenty of "quality" wins and no bad losses.
I dont see us beating OSU at home or TCU on the road. Even if we win the rest thats 8-10 in big12 play with a bad non con.
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I bet we still make the tournament
I will change my username to whatever you choose if we do. I just don't see it.
we have 2 home games against teams we beat/should have beat on the road along with roadies against the two worst teams in the league. Plenty of "quality" wins and no bad losses.
I dont see us beating OSU at home or TCU on the road. Even if we win the rest thats 8-10 in big12 play with a bad non con.
Did you see us beating Baylor on the road or TCU at home?
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I bet we still make the tournament
I will change my username to whatever you choose if we do. I just don't see it.
we have 2 home games against teams we beat/should have beat on the road along with roadies against the two worst teams in the league. Plenty of "quality" wins and no bad losses.
Last 10
HOME: 1-4 (win over WVa!)
ROAD: 2-3 (win over Baylor!)
Weirdly, you could say this team has played better on the road, so I don't think playing at home should give you any reason to think they have a better chance of winning.
The quality of play has never really been the issue of play. Never really been a ton of validity to it. Its hard to win on the road when you are average or below average in the conference rankings. It is around 8 point swing from home to road.
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Things I see.
6 of 7.
8 of 11.
9 of 12.
I don't care about the quality of opponents at this point.
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If we don't go on the road and win at Texas, I get the feeling that this thing could unravel on oscar. I think right now the team is still hanging on by a thread, but if they lose another clunker of a game, I think the wheels could come off. I also think them winning four out of the next five is reasonable as well. There's a wide range of possibilities coming up, and it makes me kind of excited.
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Texas is another program with no wheels. We should win that game.
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https://twitter.com/maddex2015/status/832311226071969793
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That is awesome.
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https://twitter.com/maddex2015/status/832311226071969793
:lol:
he has to be trolling us all at this point
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https://twitter.com/maddex2015/status/831911490131263488
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https://twitter.com/maddex2015/status/832311226071969793
:lol:
he has to be trolling us all at this point
Oh no, he really believes in one he says.
I get the feeling that this thing could unravel on oscar. I think right now the team is still hanging on by a thread, but if they lose another clunker of a game, I think the wheels could come off.
Its not like this has happened before. Its been almost a full 2 years since K-State won 2 Big 12 games in a row. I don't see that changing.
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two and a half years ago...... yet here we are luke
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Someone get him started on Snyder and football. He's almost anti-football.
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He's so bizarre. He's like talking to himself in every tweet. Never @'s anyone.
https://twitter.com/maddex2015/status/572098170257195009
https://twitter.com/maddex2015/status/591290212384374784
https://twitter.com/maddex2015/status/610373614873939968
https://twitter.com/maddex2015/status/648624801179811840
I don't think he understands how to use twitter yet.
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I @d him and he didn't reply
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tell him to get in here so we can kick his ass
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If we make the tournament, I will be on team not burn it down so hard.
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went to hs with that guy :Ugh:
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went to hs with that guy :Ugh:
That is great.
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Ness city or Garden City Community College?
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https://twitter.com/wildcat_3232/status/7183794322
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glad to see that luke has now replaced kenn with two N's
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https://twitter.com/wildcat_3232/status/7183794322
It's weird that he used to understand how to @ people and now he doesn't.
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that stud is gonna get several new followers today
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http://www.810whb.com/border-patrol-podcast/ (http://www.810whb.com/border-patrol-podcast/)
How bad is it when you've got Jay Heidrick leaning towards the #BID train :surprised:
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https://twitter.com/wildcat_3232/status/7183794322
Luke says: "hey, remember me? It's Luke."
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Drugs? :lol:
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I made these guys
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Is Luke sketti brained?
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went to hs with that guy :Ugh:
I may have been your basketball coach, if you played of course
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I'm actually still not BID yet, but I'll happily jump on the wagon if we lose any of the next three.
Welp, I'm a man of my word. So what should I do now that I'm on team BID? Like, lots of passive aggressive posting?
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Burn it down isn't very passive aggressive edn
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Ok, aggressive posting it is! :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: