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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: The1BigWillie on February 24, 2014, 03:19:55 PM
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:facepalm:
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seems like a lot of random thoughts. wonder if KU teachers about paragraphs?
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Casey's - Famous for Pizza
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when they say "we are kansas" are they talking about them or us?
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Interesting, if true.
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Those are the words that make up the pinstripes in our alt uni's:
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nike told us pinstripes are tacky.
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Those are the words that make up the pinstripes in our alt uni's:
You cannot be serious! I thought that must have been from a fan page. I get the rah-rah language, but the history is a little off.
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Funny how a game invented and developed in Springfield, Massachusetts was also invented in Lawrentucky.
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Funny how a game invented and developed in Springfield, Massachusetts was also invented in Lawrentucky.
we invented Decade of Dominance but there it went....
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Funny how a game invented and developed in Springfield, Massachusetts was also invented in Lawrentucky.
we invented Decade of Dominance but there it went....
Well, Cawker City already has thrown down on the world's largest ball of twine, I guess Lawrence will go for being the home of basketball, even though it's pretty well understood it's not.
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What's so controversial about the quote?
Naismith invented basketball in 1891, and created the KU basketball program in 1898. He developed the sport during his time at KU, and lived to see basketball become an official Olympic event in 1936. Naismith became a US citizen in Lawrence and is buried in Lawrence. Phog Allen was instrumental in bringing the sport of basketball to the Olympics, and as the founder of the National Association of Basketball Coaches, he helped develop the NCAA tournament. Both men invented and innovated the sport, and their origins are in Lawrence, KS.
Those are simply the facts, ladies and gents.
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What's so controversial about the quote?
Naismith invented basketball in 1891, and created the KU basketball program in 1898. He developed the sport during his time at KU, and lived to see basketball become an official Olympic event in 1936. Naismith became a US citizen in Lawrence and is buried in Lawrence. Phog Allen was instrumental in bringing the sport of basketball to the Olympics, and as the founder of the National Association of Basketball Coaches, he helped develop the NCAA tournament. Both men invented and innovated the sport, and their origins are in Lawrence, KS.
Those are simply the facts, ladies and gents.
I think you're having trouble with the term origins. Last I checked Naismith's "origins" where Canadian. Also the quote specifically says began here. The game began (even if Naismith was the true and sole inventor of the game) nowhere near Kansas.
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What's so controversial about the quote?
Naismith invented basketball in 1891, and created the KU basketball program in 1898. He developed the sport during his time at KU, and lived to see basketball become an official Olympic event in 1936. Naismith became a US citizen in Lawrence and is buried in Lawrence. Phog Allen was instrumental in bringing the sport of basketball to the Olympics, and as the founder of the National Association of Basketball Coaches, he helped develop the NCAA tournament. Both men invented and innovated the sport, and their origins are in Lawrence, KS.
Those are simply the facts, ladies and gents.
That would make for good pinstripes too.
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What's so controversial about the quote?
Naismith invented basketball in 1891, and created the KU basketball program in 1898. He developed the sport during his time at KU, and lived to see basketball become an official Olympic event in 1936. Naismith became a US citizen in Lawrence and is buried in Lawrence. Phog Allen was instrumental in bringing the sport of basketball to the Olympics, and as the founder of the National Association of Basketball Coaches, he helped develop the NCAA tournament. Both men invented and innovated the sport, and their origins are in Lawrence, KS.
Those are simply the facts, ladies and gents.
That would make for good pinstripes too.
We missed the boat by not having all sports wear pinstripes detailing the monumental accomplishment that is Titletown
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What's so controversial about the quote?
Naismith invented basketball in 1891, and created the KU basketball program in 1898. He developed the sport during his time at KU, and lived to see basketball become an official Olympic event in 1936. Naismith became a US citizen in Lawrence and is buried in Lawrence. Phog Allen was instrumental in bringing the sport of basketball to the Olympics, and as the founder of the National Association of Basketball Coaches, he helped develop the NCAA tournament. Both men invented and innovated the sport, and their origins are in Lawrence, KS.
Those are simply the facts, ladies and gents.
I think you're having trouble with the term origins. Last I checked Naismith's "origins" where Canadian. Also the quote specifically says began here. The game began (even if Naismith was the true and sole inventor of the game) nowhere near Kansas.
Incorrect. Naismith developed and expanded the game at Kansas, and Phog helped basketball become an Olympic sport while at KU. Phog also created the NCAA tournament and helped basketball become the game that it is today. The sport of basketball has origins in Lawrence, KS.... there's simply no disputing it (unless you're a butthurt 'tater, apparently).
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I lived right behind Naismith's grave while I was a Lawrence resident and would often let my dog do his business all over it in the Spring time.
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Translation: Hey listen to us. This hobby sport’s inventor made his way here eventually. Don’t be mean to the older players. Take what those dead players did and steal it. The future prefers those who are devoted to a cause. Jewelry can’t be worn as a job. In this hobby sport you get screwed. You receive what you pay for. We are a state. Blue wings rising. Move limestone, murderers.
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is springfield massachusetts located in kansas?
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Like, nobody gives a crap about basketball tho, who rough ridin' cares who inventedstole it
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What's so controversial about the quote?
Naismith invented basketball in 1891, and created the KU basketball program in 1898. He developed the sport during his time at KU, and lived to see basketball become an official Olympic event in 1936. Naismith became a US citizen in Lawrence and is buried in Lawrence. Phog Allen was instrumental in bringing the sport of basketball to the Olympics, and as the founder of the National Association of Basketball Coaches, he helped develop the NCAA tournament. Both men invented and innovated the sport, and their origins are in Lawrence, KS.
Those are simply the facts, ladies and gents.
I think you're having trouble with the term origins. Last I checked Naismith's "origins" where Canadian. Also the quote specifically says began here. The game began (even if Naismith was the true and sole inventor of the game) nowhere near Kansas.
Incorrect. Naismith developed and expanded the game at Kansas, and Phog helped basketball become an Olympic sport while at KU. Phog also created the NCAA tournament and helped basketball become the game that it is today. The sport of basketball has origins in Lawrence, KS.... there's simply no disputing it (unless you're a butthurt 'tater, apparently).
Ok, try reading slower and maybe you'll get it. You said Naismith and Allen's origins are in KU when actually they're from Canada and Missouri respectively. The quote states basketball began at KU which it did not, it began in Sprinfield, Massachusetts (if that's the true beginning).
No one disputes that Naismith to some degree and Allen much more so help develop it while at KU. But to say it began in Kansas is just completely wrong. That would be like saying Eisenhower was born in Kansas. Sure he grew up in Kansas but it's an indisputable fact he was born in Texas.
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when they say "we are kansas" are they talking about them or us?
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Did you guys know when KU fans visit James Naismith's grave that they have to strip down to their underpants and leave their clothes at the tombstone. Buddy of mine saw it in a documentary.
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Kind of makes you wonder how they've been surpassed by Kentucky, Duke, Indiana, UCLA, North Carolina, Florida, Syracuse, Arizona, don't it.
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nike told us pinstripes are tacky.
Fact. Only the New York Yankees can pull off the pinstripe look. Every other team that has tried has failed. Badly.
Name another team that looks good in pinstripes. That's right......you can't do it.
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Football started in Manhattan ks
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Football started in Manhattan ks
So did the civil rights movement cuz king sr
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Earl "father of Tiger" Woods
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Abe Lincoln.
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Star Wars was first penned at Kite's
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Denying that basketball began at KU is like denying that the Earth revolves around the Sun. It simply defies reason.
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Denying that basketball began at KU is like denying that the Earth revolves around the Sun. It simply defies reason.
BITB
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Football started in Manhattan ks
it certainly has origins in MHK
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Earl "father of Tiger" Woods
yeah we invented golf pretty sure.
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I LITERALLY just heard a guy on the phone say... "If it wasn't for University of Kansas, there wouldn't be college basketball."
He's still on the phone getting into it with someone. I'm trying to eavesdrop... Something about a Jock Voghn... lots of head shaking... Now he's off the phone... dangit...
Oh... then he drops this gem... "It's so frustrating to talk to people who think they know everything but don't know anything."
This confirms what we all already knew... KU bball fan (redundant) actually believes everything we have been discussing in this thread. It's not a troll.
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I LITERALLY just heard a guy on the phone say... "If it wasn't for University of Kansas, there wouldn't be college basketball."
He's still on the phone getting into it with someone. I'm trying to eavesdrop... Something about a Jock Voghn... lots of head shaking... Now he's off the phone... dangit...
Oh... then he drops this gem... "It's so frustrating to talk to people who think they know everything but don't know anything."
This confirms what we all already knew... KU bball fan (redundant) actually believes everything we have been discussing in this thread. It's not a troll.
Hold on, new thread
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K-State was the tide that lifted ku's basketball boat. Phog Allen was enraged by Ahearn Fieldhouse, the ku contingent lead an onslaught in Topeka, finally forcing the state to build a new "National Guard Armory" on the ku campus.
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It takes some serious butthurt to pretend like basketball didn't begin at KU.
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K-State was the tide that lifted ku's basketball boat. Phog Allen was enraged by Ahearn Fieldhouse, the ku contingent lead an onslaught in Topeka, finally forcing the state to build a new "National Guard Armory" on the ku campus.
yup. illegally financed that project too. nothing to see here folks, move along.
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So strange, if basketball supposedly began at ku . . . yet miraculously if the story is correct, ku was immediately able to find opponents at YMCA's, just down the dirt road at Haskell, at KSAC and elsewhere. So strange that in 1898 that a PE teacher was able "evangelize" a game that immediately sprang up teams all over the place from a place like Lawrence that barely had electricity of any sort. I guess the fact that Naismith spawned YMCA's playing basketball 7 years earlier is immaterial to ku historians.
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Oh, one last thing, Naismith considered Basketball a "hobby sport" :lol:
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Oh, one last thing, Naismith considered Basketball a "hobby sport" :lol:
KU is so dominant that you have been relegated to pretending like you don't care about an entire sport. I love it.
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Oh, one last thing, Naismith considered Basketball a "hobby sport" :lol:
KU is so dominant that you have been relegated to pretending like you don't care about an entire sport. I love it.
:love: :love: :love:
I didn't say I didn't care Captain Meltdown, I am just passing along the fact that Naismith considered other sports to be superior to basketball.
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K-State was the tide that lifted ku's basketball boat. Phog Allen was enraged by Ahearn Fieldhouse, the ku contingent lead an onslaught in Topeka, finally forcing the state to build a new "National Guard Armory" on the ku campus.
yup. illegally financed that project too. nothing to see here folks, move along.
And the United States economy was built on slave labor.... haters gonna hate.
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K-State was the tide that lifted ku's basketball boat. Phog Allen was enraged by Ahearn Fieldhouse, the ku contingent lead an onslaught in Topeka, finally forcing the state to build a new "National Guard Armory" on the ku campus.
yup. illegally financed that project too. nothing to see here folks, move along.
And the United States economy was built on slave labor.... haters gonna hate.
It's just good to know that for the last 60 years Big Bro K-State has been the ocean tides to lil bro ku's boat. Forcing ku to react again and again and again. That's what Big Bro's do, mentor and raise the bar for the little one's.
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K-State was the tide that lifted ku's basketball boat. Phog Allen was enraged by Ahearn Fieldhouse, the ku contingent lead an onslaught in Topeka, finally forcing the state to build a new "National Guard Armory" on the ku campus.
yup. illegally financed that project too. nothing to see here folks, move along.
And the United States economy was built on slave labor.... haters gonna hate.
It's just good to know that for the last 60 years Big Bro K-State has been the ocean tides to lil bro ku's boat. Forcing ku to react again and again and again. That's what Big Bro's do, mentor and raise the bar for the little one's.
what on earth
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K-State was the tide that lifted ku's basketball boat. Phog Allen was enraged by Ahearn Fieldhouse, the ku contingent lead an onslaught in Topeka, finally forcing the state to build a new "National Guard Armory" on the ku campus.
yup. illegally financed that project too. nothing to see here folks, move along.
And the United States economy was built on slave labor.... haters gonna hate.
It's just good to know that for the last 60 years Big Bro K-State has been the ocean tides to lil bro ku's boat. Forcing ku to react again and again and again. That's what Big Bro's do, mentor and raise the bar for the little one's.
what on earth
Yes, earth, don't pollute our waters ku, ride our flowing tides and rolling waves for a better tomorrow.
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Naismith developed and expanded the game at Kansas.
Not only did the YMCA have a huge part in spreading basketball around the world, but WWI and the North American soldiers that fought in it are also frequently given credit for spreading the game throughout the world.
Phog also created the NCAA tournament.
The tournament, organized by the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), was created during 1939 by the National Association of Basketball Coaches, and was the idea of Ohio State University coach Harold Olsen
The sport of basketball has origins in Lawrence, KS.
The first official college basketball game was played on January 18, 1896 between the University of Iowa and the University of Chicago. The final score was 15-12, with the visiting Chicago team the victors.
On February 9, 1895, the first intercollegiate 5-on-5 game was played at Hamline University between Hamline and the School of Agriculture, which was affiliated with the University of Minnesota.[9][10] The School of Agriculture won in a 9–3 game.
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Lots of interesting stuff out there. All trolling aside, the fact that Naismith/Fogg were there is really cool, but honestly the whole "it was founded here" thing is way overblown. It was both founded and spread by the YMCA more than any other entity. Also Naismith telling Phog you can't coach basketball is pretty great.
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When ku started to exploit the whole Naismith thing (and it was cool that Dr. Naismith the PE teacher who apparently wasn't really all that impressed with basketball in relative terms, was at ku) a lot of eyebrows went up with all the bullet points that were being printed in the Media Guides and glossy brochures over in Lawrence.
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Oh, one last thing, Naismith considered Basketball a "hobby sport" :lol:
The invention of basketball was not an accident. It was developed to meet a need. Those boys simply would not play 'Drop the Handkerchief.'
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The invention of basketball was not an accident. It was developed to meet a need. Those boys simply would not play 'Drop the Handkerchief.'
Why not?
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Oh, one last thing, Naismith considered Basketball a "hobby sport" :lol:
The invention of basketball was not an accident. It was developed to meet a need. Those boys simply would not play 'Drop the Handkerchief.'
So basketball isn't even a hobby sport. It was developed as some sort of punishment.
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Football started in Manhattan ks
So did the civil rights movement cuz king sr
:sdeek: black history month is for you guys to learn about us too
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Naismith developed and expanded the game at Kansas.
Not only did the YMCA have a huge part in spreading basketball around the world, but WWI and the North American soldiers that fought in it are also frequently given credit for spreading the game throughout the world.
Phog also created the NCAA tournament.
The tournament, organized by the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), was created during 1939 by the National Association of Basketball Coaches, and was the idea of Ohio State University coach Harold Olsen
The sport of basketball has origins in Lawrence, KS.
The first official college basketball game was played on January 18, 1896 between the University of Iowa and the University of Chicago. The final score was 15-12, with the visiting Chicago team the victors.
On February 9, 1895, the first intercollegiate 5-on-5 game was played at Hamline University between Hamline and the School of Agriculture, which was affiliated with the University of Minnesota.[9][10] The School of Agriculture won in a 9–3 game.
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Lots of interesting stuff out there. All trolling aside, the fact that Naismith/Fogg were there is really cool, but honestly the whole "it was founded here" thing is way overblown. It was both founded and spread by the YMCA more than any other entity. Also Naismith telling Phog you can't coach basketball is pretty great.
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This guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Tvf1vDL0U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Tvf1vDL0U) clearly played at KU, right?
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how many dr peppers do our guys the ksu wild wildcats have in drop the handkerchief? (serious question)
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No one is denying that the YMCA was integral in developing and expanding the game of basketball. So was KU. The first stage of the sport of basketball can be traced back to KU. The guy who invented the sport coached at KU and created our basketball program. The guy who made basketball an official olympic sport and created the NACB coached at KU.
What more do you want?
:dunno:
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I don't know if this is luked or not, but there is not one mention of Kansas in the entire wikipedia entry for "the history of basketball".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_basketball)
I think I'll check Snopes next.
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I don't know if this is luked or not, but there is not one mention of Kansas in the entire wikipedia entry for "the history of basketball".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_basketball)
I think I'll check Snopes next.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball)
While the YMCA was responsible for initially developing and spreading the game, within a decade it discouraged the new sport, as rough play and rowdy crowds began to detract from the YMCA's primary mission. However, other amateur sports clubs, colleges, and professional clubs quickly filled the void. In the years before World War I, the Amateur Athletic Union and the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States (forerunner of the NCAA) vied for control over the rules for the game. The first pro league, the National Basketball League, was formed in 1898 to protect players from exploitation and to promote a less rough game. This league only lasted five years.
Dr. James Naismith was instrumental in establishing college basketball. His colleague C.O. Beamis fielded the first college basketball team just a year after the Springfield YMCA game at the suburban Pittsburgh Geneva College.[8] Naismith himself later coached at the University of Kansas for six years, before handing the reins to renowned coach Forrest "Phog" Allen. Naismith's disciple Amos Alonzo Stagg brought basketball to the University of Chicago, while Adolph Rupp, a student of Naismith's at Kansas, enjoyed great success as coach at the University of Kentucky.
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I don't know if this is luked or not, but there is not one mention of Kansas in the entire wikipedia entry for "the history of basketball".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_basketball)
I think I'll check Snopes next.
If Wikipedia confirms KU had nothing to do with it. . .then :buh-bye:
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I don't know if this is luked or not, but there is not one mention of Kansas in the entire wikipedia entry for "the history of basketball".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_basketball)
I think I'll check Snopes next.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball)
While the YMCA was responsible for initially developing and spreading the game, within a decade it discouraged the new sport, as rough play and rowdy crowds began to detract from the YMCA's primary mission. However, other amateur sports clubs, colleges, and professional clubs quickly filled the void. In the years before World War I, the Amateur Athletic Union and the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States (forerunner of the NCAA) vied for control over the rules for the game. The first pro league, the National Basketball League, was formed in 1898 to protect players from exploitation and to promote a less rough game. This league only lasted five years.
Dr. James Naismith was instrumental in establishing college basketball. His colleague C.O. Beamis fielded the first college basketball team just a year after the Springfield YMCA game at the suburban Pittsburgh .[8] Naismith himself later coached at the University of Kansas for six years, before handing the reins to renowned coach Forrest "Phog" Allen. Naismith's disciple Amos Alonzo Stagg brought basketball to the University of Chicago, while Adolph Rupp, a student of Naismith's at Kansas, enjoyed great success as coach at the University of Kentucky.
So the birthplace of college basketball is Geneva College in Pittsburgh. I wouldn't spread that around Lawrence.
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No one is denying that the YMCA was integral in developing and expanding the game of basketball. So was KU. The first stage of the sport of basketball can be traced back to KU. The guy who invented the sport coached at KU and created our basketball program. The guy who made basketball an official olympic sport and created the NACB coached at KU.
What more do you want?
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Not so much more but less. Beems we're not discrediting KU's place in basketball history. It is definitely significant. The Naismith part of that claim though, is just hilarious and overblown.
When it came to the KU basketball team, Naismith just didn’t have interest. He didn’t attend the Jayhawks’ practices, and his attention during the 115 games he coached was diverted by the fact that he served as the referee in most of those games. A common quote attributed to him is, “You can’t coach basketball, you just play it.”
http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/james-naismith-kansas-worst-basketball-coach-ever (http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/james-naismith-kansas-worst-basketball-coach-ever)
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"cradle of super duper racist basketball coaches"
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When it came to the KU basketball team, Naismith just didn’t have interest. He didn’t attend the Jayhawks’ practices, and his attention during the 115 games he coached was diverted by the fact that he served as the referee in most of those games. A common quote attributed to him is, “You can’t coach basketball, you just play it.”
http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/james-naismith-kansas-worst-basketball-coach-ever (http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/james-naismith-kansas-worst-basketball-coach-ever)
well that would explain why he sucked so badly as a coach
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Adolph Rupp coached at my high school. You don't see me claiming all things Kentucky basketball.
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Aggieville created Fake Pattys Day...and that my friends is a FACT like the sun and earth rotational movement.
Its so weird he bold blued one paragraph and completed skipped over the 1st one where it actually explains where it started.
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Im bout to straight pwn some bitches with some knowledge
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college basketball began in springburgrence, USA
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No one is denying that the YMCA was integral in developing and expanding the game of basketball. So was KU. The first stage of the sport of basketball can be traced back to KU. The guy who invented the sport coached at KU and created our basketball program. The guy who made basketball an official olympic sport and created the NACB coached at KU.
What more do you want?
:dunno:
Not so much more but less. Beems we're not discrediting KU's place in basketball history. It is definitely significant. The Naismith part of that claim though, is just hilarious and overblown.
When it came to the KU basketball team, Naismith just didn’t have interest. He didn’t attend the Jayhawks’ practices, and his attention during the 115 games he coached was diverted by the fact that he served as the referee in most of those games. A common quote attributed to him is, “You can’t coach basketball, you just play it.”
http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/james-naismith-kansas-worst-basketball-coach-ever (http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/james-naismith-kansas-worst-basketball-coach-ever)
Game.Set.Match.
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No one is denying that the YMCA was integral in developing and expanding the game of basketball. So was KU. The first stage of the sport of basketball can be traced back to KU. The guy who invented the sport coached at KU and created our basketball program. The guy who made basketball an official olympic sport and created the NACB coached at KU.
What more do you want?
:dunno:
Not so much more but less. Beems we're not discrediting KU's place in basketball history. It is definitely significant. The Naismith part of that claim though, is just hilarious and overblown.
When it came to the KU basketball team, Naismith just didn’t have interest. He didn’t attend the Jayhawks’ practices, and his attention during the 115 games he coached was diverted by the fact that he served as the referee in most of those games. A common quote attributed to him is, “You can’t coach basketball, you just play it.”
http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/james-naismith-kansas-worst-basketball-coach-ever (http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/james-naismith-kansas-worst-basketball-coach-ever)
Game.Set.Match.
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Your efforts at rational discussion about the origin of basketball is futile. When KU, institutionally, spreads information or misinformation, there is an autonomic response among their fan base for acceptance and repetition. KU is spending, what, $19 million for a building to house the rules of basketball (drafted in Springfield, Illinois) to showcase a game that KU pretends was invented at KU. They are going to say they that the University of Kansas is the cradle of basketball, whether it's true or not. Beems, as entertaining and occasionally as independent thinker that he is, is part of the fan base that accepts what KU says as gospel. You are going to encounter A LOT of people in the arc of Kansas between Topeka and Overland Park that will not accept any contention that basketball was invented anywhere other than KU.
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If the YMCA birf'd basketball, fair to say that Strut 'N Cut was integral in the development too.