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Title: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 14, 2014, 10:18:45 AM
no doubt when frank was here that he was meaner and weirder than self but with him gone? i mean self just gets so red and spits and yells and not just at refs but at his own players all the time. and he gets technicals like a lot. is there anyone comparable? huggins maybe but i don't even think you can really compare them. self just seems meaner. like whoa guy, i'm trying to do my best here. calm down.

don't goEMAW this thing. serious discussions only.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2014, 10:19:26 AM
vulgar language
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: CNS on February 14, 2014, 10:20:53 AM
"Kids haven't changed, we adults have changed"

FPTC fans.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2014, 10:22:47 AM
disregards marital vows
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: mocat on February 14, 2014, 10:23:36 AM
angry yelling:

barnes - very rarely
mayor - don't know if he knows how
drew - only WTF???? to the refs
oscar - no
travis - only when he uses his weirdly square head to talk during opposing teams' free throws
lon - a little bit
tubbs - i haven't watched him at tech yet
bob - yeah he yells and gets red in the face at players and refs, but he also will smother you with whiskey-soaked fatherly affection if you break your leg on the court
warlock - no


i would say bob gets more frothy and red faced than self. self seems like he's in control even when he's yelling at somebody
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 14, 2014, 10:23:48 AM
1) super red face
2) lots of yelling
3) yelling at refs
4) yelling at his own players
5) sweats
6) lots of technicals
7) cussing a bunch


what am i missing? i mean this league has some real characters like drew and huggins but when you get down to it, self really probably is the least likeable from a verifiable actions standpoint, no?
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 14, 2014, 10:25:16 AM
also, i'm disregarding and not even including the fact that i'm 99% sure he has cheated on his wife multiple times because i haven't actually witnessed it first hand and have just heard about it from people i trust.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2014, 10:29:11 AM
appears violent and out of control
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 14, 2014, 10:33:04 AM
appears violent and out of control


i thought about it and this is what sticks out the most. just watch a ku game where the score is close and i promise you that at some point in time he is going to be red faced yelling spitting and someone (another coach or player) will be holding him back or trying to redirect him. i mean, he's the coach and other people are having to worry about him! where else does that happen?
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Brock Landers on February 14, 2014, 10:36:01 AM
1) super red face
2) lots of yelling
3) yelling at refs
4) yelling at his own players
5) sweats
6) lots of technicals
7) cussing a bunch


what am i missing? i mean this league has some real characters like drew and huggins but when you get down to it, self really probably is the least likeable from a verifiable actions standpoint, no?

Your list makes me think Self may have a chemical imbalance or mild mental illness of some sort.  Not even joking here guys. 
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 14, 2014, 10:37:56 AM
i mean this is not controlled anger imo.

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Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 14, 2014, 10:38:51 AM
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Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 14, 2014, 10:40:52 AM
His off-the-court antics worry me the most.  He has players who are top NBA talent and he breaks them down to a point where their draft stock falls so he can selfishly keep them longer.  Pretty scary if you really think about it...
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 14, 2014, 10:42:12 AM
is there a site to check how many technicals all the coaches have had over the past five years or so?
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 14, 2014, 10:43:07 AM
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Poor guy is either going to have a heart attack on the court one day or crap his pants on the court. Let's just hope for our sake that it's not both.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: SEK_EMAW on February 14, 2014, 10:43:23 AM
He went after that Weatherwax guy in Ames that one time...
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 14, 2014, 10:44:36 AM
bill self angry

46,100,000 results (0.37 seconds)

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 14, 2014, 10:46:50 AM
His daughter won't see behind the bench at games because of his behavior. This comes from a super reliable source.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: GBEMAW on February 14, 2014, 10:47:48 AM
bill self angry

46,100,000 results (0.37 seconds)

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his anger has been well-established in this topic, but the weirdness factor has not been explored.  using your method, daris, I uncovered the following.

bill self weird
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Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 14, 2014, 10:52:34 AM
I think making Joel Embiid play in their Super Bowl when he was admittedly hurt was pretty mean.  the guy had an MRI and the were worried about knee damage but he sent him out there.  Forcing injured players onto the court.  Makes me worried that Joel could suffer a serious injury and damage his professional prospects.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: 'taterblast on February 14, 2014, 10:52:43 AM
he is a monster
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on February 14, 2014, 10:53:29 AM
bill self angry

46,100,000 results (0.37 seconds)

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frank martin angry
About 10,700,000 results (0.26 seconds)
Not even a fourth of how angry Self gets, science proves it.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: OK_Cat on February 14, 2014, 10:55:54 AM
serious thought:

when osu fires ford and goes after self again, does ku even try and keep him?  they can't, can they?  it's time to clean up their image and letting mr. potty mouth go would be a great thing.

we let our potty mouth coach go, and we've won a conference championship and are fighting for a second.  win/win.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Spracne on February 14, 2014, 10:57:06 AM
Don't goEMAW this thing?  :ROFL: This thread is the quintessential goEMAW thread.  Relevant excerpt, tho:

Self ‘cooler than us’

“Man, toughest decision I ever made in my life. Memphis is still right here,” he said, pointing to his heart. “It was bigger than basketball. Getting away from home, experiencing something different. Having the opportunity to play for a guy like coach Self. How much can I learn? How much better can I get?”

He said he has gotten a great deal better as a basketball player and person.

“I can take back to the city things I’ve learned,” he said. “For one thing, maturity. Being under coach Self, I’ve learned how to be so much more patient with myself, my teammates, and just with people in general, just accepting things around me. Taking it for what it is, figuring it out, assessing it to my life. How is it going to help? What are the negatives about the situation? Then moving on. That’s the way he coaches.”

The polished Self who appears in public doesn’t always have the same delivery in practice, but to hear Black tell it, KU’s 11th-year head coach forever is in control.

“He’s so calm,” Black said. “He’s so cool. I’ve never experienced it before. When I came out here I didn’t expect it. I expected him to be even more rowdy than the coach (Josh Pastner) I previously had. I figured, well, they win, so he has to be jumping on them, going crazy every day.”

Not so in practice or games, Black insisted.

“He’s so cool,” he said. “He’s cooler than us. He’ll tell us, ‘Guys we’re going to be OK. Just run the play the way I told you to and we’re going to be fine.’ I didn’t expect it. I didn’t know. These are things I hadn’t experienced.”
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: pissclams on February 14, 2014, 10:57:38 AM
i think what you're witnessing is a man whose life is spiraling out of control.  when he came to the big 12, he was a much different person.  he was cordial and seemed very outgoing, a nice person to be around.  now we hear stories of him hanging with co-eds and drinking on mass street.

he wears those years he's spent in lawrence like a putrid rotting fungus.  it's really a sad example of the pressure of high major division 1 athletics and what it can do to a person.  #disgusting #sad
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Spracne on February 14, 2014, 10:58:05 AM
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Yeah, but that's Travis Ford's everyday, non-angry face.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: justTHEtip on February 14, 2014, 10:58:54 AM
This is some real life scary facts you guys are throwing down. I worry about the players. They're only kids for Christ's sake.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 14, 2014, 11:02:27 AM
The other night during the game Holly said that during a timeout Bill made threats to Andy
If he didn't win the game for KU  :horrorsurprise:.  Fwiw I have not seen Andy since Monday.
Title: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Pete on February 14, 2014, 11:17:42 AM
I don't know how Frank Martin acted in every day life and in practice, but every KU fan I met seemed to suggest that Frank was like that all the time, and I suspect that their belief was based on observing Frank during games.

I think KU fans generally follow basketball more closely than me.  I will defer to their knowledge of the game.

As a result, I choose to similarly believe that Bill Self conducts himself in every day life as he conducts himself during games.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: ben ji on February 14, 2014, 11:20:57 AM
I don't know how Frank Martin acted in every day life and in practice, but every KU fan I met seemed to suggest that Frank was like that all the time, and I suspect that their belief was based on observing Frank during games.

I think KU fans generally follow basketball more closely than me.  I will defer to their knowledge of the game.

As a result, I choose to similarly believe that Bill Self conducts himself in every day life as he conducts himself during games.

We now have a full grasp of what a mean and terrible person frank was(sprads), looks like they were right  :frown:.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 14, 2014, 11:24:24 AM
i think what you're witnessing is a man whose life is spiraling out of control.  when he came to the big 12, he was a much different person.  he was cordial and seemed very outgoing, a nice person to be around.  now we hear stories of him hanging with co-eds and drinking on mass street.

he wears those years he's spent in lawrence like a putrid rotting fungus.  it's really a sad example of the pressure of high major division 1 athletics and what it can do to a person.  #disgusting #sad

except for the fact that they aren't just watercooler stories but actually published ones by people like former kc star columnist hearne christopher.

http://www.lawrenceconfidential.com/the-one-that-got-away-is-ku-basketball-coach-bill-selfs-marriage-on-the-rocks/
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: CNS on February 14, 2014, 11:29:50 AM
Bill has the weight of their bed bug infested world on his shoulders.  I mean, what happens if he doesn't win the conf one year?   :ohno:
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: DQ12 on February 14, 2014, 11:32:32 AM
It used to be fun for him.  I really don't think the game is fun for him anymore. 
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: CNS on February 14, 2014, 11:32:55 AM
Guys, I wouldn't be surprised if the school has damning evidence against him related to the ticket scandal and has let him know in plain terms that he either wins or goes to federal prison for a handful of years. 

That has to be on the absolute top of his mind every game, every practice, every meeting with some kid who thinks he should leave after one year.

Desperate.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: _33 on February 14, 2014, 11:47:12 AM
Didn't he smash a scorers table to bits in a fit of rage last year?  I can't ever remember any coach destroying property during a game because he couldn't control his anger.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Pete on February 14, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
i think what you're witnessing is a man whose life is spiraling out of control.  when he came to the big 12, he was a much different person.  he was cordial and seemed very outgoing, a nice person to be around.  now we hear stories of him hanging with co-eds and drinking on mass street.

he wears those years he's spent in lawrence like a putrid rotting fungus.  it's really a sad example of the pressure of high major division 1 athletics and what it can do to a person.  #disgusting #sad

except for the fact that they aren't just watercooler stories but actually published ones by people like former kc star columnist hearne christopher.

http://www.lawrenceconfidential.com/the-one-that-got-away-is-ku-basketball-coach-bill-selfs-marriage-on-the-rocks/


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Anybody who makes well into seven figures, wears a rug that good and gets botox treatments is probably a safe bet to be just about as human as the next lottery-winner. Not to mention prone to being susceptible to the temptations that come with that kind of fame, power and money.

That does NOT sound like a man who is happy with his life.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: ChiComCat on February 14, 2014, 12:41:02 PM
I seriously worry for his players/family - the games against them/being mean is fun and all but these are people's lives.  People deserve to be treated with respect.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 14, 2014, 12:43:06 PM
is there a website that shows the number of technicals each big12 coach has received over the past five years or so? that is at least a good measuring stick to see if we are on the right track.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Benja on February 14, 2014, 12:47:50 PM
I hope he checks his blood pressure and stuff a lot. Yelling is like, super bad for you when you get older.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: pissclams on February 14, 2014, 12:49:16 PM
i kind of hate to think this but do you guys think bill self is on heroin?
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on February 14, 2014, 12:52:55 PM
just sad he gets so mad and angry and is cursing that his only relief is a big slimy booger.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2014, 12:54:54 PM
I've mentioned in this venue before my personal observations of Self when he first arrived at ku.   In his first year or two as I recall, ku was in some very tight early season games, again, the type of games that the previous coach would have won by 20.    The look of angst, anger, concern, worry, and nerves on Bill Self's face was quite telling.    Most won't remember, but there were ku fans openly questioning Self.   

Look at the pressure Self has today.   ku pays him a lot of money, the football program is a dumpster fire, the financial welfare of the athletic department rides on his shoulders.   He's done a lot, but ku T-Shirt nation and the entire athletic department need him to sustain the highest levels at all times.   

How much more can he take?  I worry for those kids. 

Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 14, 2014, 12:58:48 PM

wow. a ku grad and kc star writer absolutely rips into the mess that bill self has become.


"bill self's crybaby antics of late are getting embarrassing"
"the latest incident in which he embarrassed himself and the school"
"there's a big gulf between being classy and being a jerk. bill self hopped way over that line."

http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/bill-selfs-cry-baby-act-wears-thin/
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: mocat on February 14, 2014, 01:07:23 PM
Yael T. Abouhalkah is a confirmed moron tho
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Benja on February 14, 2014, 01:09:05 PM
I think he let himself get beat by oscar weber just to see if he could feel something again.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Spracne on February 14, 2014, 01:10:29 PM
Yael T. Abouhalkah is a confirmed mormon tho

Yael sounds more like a Jewish name, but what the yael do I know?
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 14, 2014, 01:14:07 PM
Yael T. Abouhalkah is a confirmed moron tho

well i don't know anything about the individual so i'll just have to take your word for it and the article with a grain of salt. however, i do find it damning that a former graduate and current media member is willing to go on record about how absolutely disgusting they find self actions to be and how poorly they reflect on the school.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Trogdor on February 14, 2014, 01:16:57 PM
One might suppose his anger is derived from the fact that he realizes his program is slowly faltering and he feels the need to try to step it up.

I feel bad for the guy :frown:
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Spracne on February 14, 2014, 01:17:45 PM
Yael T. Abouhalkah is a confirmed moron tho

well i don't know anything about the individual so i'll just have to take your word for it and the article with a grain of salt. however, i do find it damning that a former graduate and current media member is willing to go on record about how absolutely disgusting they find self actions to be and how poorly they reflect on the school.

He's been an editorial writer since before I was born, which means his job is to bitch about anything and everything on a daily basis. 
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 14, 2014, 01:35:20 PM
Yael T. Abouhalkah is a confirmed moron tho

well i don't know anything about the individual so i'll just have to take your word for it and the article with a grain of salt. however, i do find it damning that a former graduate and current media member is willing to go on record about how absolutely disgusting they find self actions to be and how poorly they reflect on the school.

He's been an editorial writer since before I was born, which means his job is to bitch about anything and everything on a daily basis.

He's losing his chuztpah, IMO.
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2014, 02:11:56 PM
Yael T. Abouhalkah is a confirmed moron tho

well i don't know anything about the individual so i'll just have to take your word for it and the article with a grain of salt. however, i do find it damning that a former graduate and current media member is willing to go on record about how absolutely disgusting they find self actions to be and how poorly they reflect on the school.

He's been an editorial writer since before I was born, which means his job is to bitch about anything and everything on a daily basis.

He's losing his chuztpah, IMO.

Some think he's a schmuck. 



Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: ChiComCat on February 14, 2014, 02:16:18 PM
Doesn't know bupkis
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 14, 2014, 02:19:38 PM
Guys, I wouldn't be surprised if the school has damning evidence against him related to the ticket scandal and has let him know in plain terms that he either wins or goes to federal prison for a handful of years. 

That has to be on the absolute top of his mind every game, every practice, every meeting with some kid who thinks he should leave after one year.

Desperate.

I think this and there is some pretty egregious "pay for play" money ties to Compton/Morningstar that has him looking over his shoulder everyday
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: mocat on February 14, 2014, 02:20:06 PM
yeah his editorial pieces feel flat nowadays. unleavened, if you will
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: OK_Cat on February 14, 2014, 02:21:17 PM
super stingy with his words
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Spracne on February 14, 2014, 02:22:26 PM
Abouhalkah: Self Needs to Mind his Mannas, Stop Yaelling
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: slimz on February 14, 2014, 02:57:49 PM
Look, I don't want to sit here and cast stones at a guy who may be in a tough situation and under a lot of pressure to do whatever it takes to win to help keep KU's struggling athletics department afloat.

So instead I'll just remark on how blessed The Kansas State University is to have a classy guy like oscar Weber at the helm, a real family man who keeps his family close to him (http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/pantagraph.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/bb/3bb06c98-6a5d-11e1-a53b-0019bb2963f4/4f5ac42e7282d.preview-300.jpg) (within arms' reach, really) even in times of severe job stress (http://www.homeescapade.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/oscar-Weber-Fired.jpg), and can be found taking care of the everyday things on the homefront that help keep a happy home, like walking the dog and mowing the lawn. All that, and he still finds time to win trophies and beat a team led by a guy who appears to stop at nothing to try to win.

So blessed. 
Title: Re: is self the meanest/weirdest coach in the big12 now?
Post by: Trogdor on February 14, 2014, 03:30:16 PM
Look, I don't want to sit here and cast stones at a guy who may be in a tough situation and under a lot of pressure to do whatever it takes to win to help keep KU's struggling athletics department afloat.

So instead I'll just remark on how blessed The Kansas State University is to have a classy guy like oscar Weber at the helm, a real family man who keeps his family close to him (http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/pantagraph.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/bb/3bb06c98-6a5d-11e1-a53b-0019bb2963f4/4f5ac42e7282d.preview-300.jpg) (within arms' reach, really) even in times of severe job stress (http://www.homeescapade.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/oscar-Weber-Fired.jpg), and can be found taking care of the everyday things on the homefront that help keep a happy home, like walking the dog and mowing the lawn. All that, and he still finds time to win trophies and beat a team led by a guy who appears to stop at nothing to try to win.

So blessed.

Self is probably on some thin ice with alot of people. He's got the squawk nation riding his back, currently praising him til the moment he effs up