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For the high BBIQers on this board. What are realistic expectations for him going forward?
TV broadcast yesterday highlighted his shooting pct struggles both from the floor and the FT line. Noted late in close games at this point we can't afford to have him on the floor (opponent foul target due to poor FT%).
How much longer does the "...couldn't practice until Dec, only played nine games..." preface every discussion of his play?
Tom
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what do you suggest we do?
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Wait til next year when he becomes the best point guard in the history of forever
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The more shooters we have on the floor the better Jevon will be. He is a classic pass first player that I hope will be the right compliment to Foster and possibly the canuck in addition to more size inside with Hurt and Bolden.
If you recall, Angel only shot 58% from the FT line in conference games only his freshman year and then made a jump to 83% as soph.
Angel was going to be the best pg ever at KSU if he had stayed and I think Jevon can do a lot of the same things. It is still early but I don't see the creative playmaking we did from Angel as a freshman and he may not become a mid 30s shooter from 3. That said, I believe he can still be an all league type player at his position and he needs as many minutes a possible.
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For the high BBIQers on this board. What are realistic expectations for him going forward?
TV broadcast yesterday highlighted his shooting pct struggles both from the floor and the FT line. Noted late in close games at this point we can't afford to have him on the floor (opponent foul target due to poor FT%).
How much longer does the "...couldn't practice until Dec, only played nine games..." preface every discussion of his play?
Tom
Do you mean this season or future seasons? I agree with the analyst saying that he can't be on the floor late in close games, and that will likely hold all season. I'm not at all worried about his shooting beyond this season. If he is effective in getting shots for his teammates and getting to the basket he won't need to be any better than a serviceable shooter, low 30s. He'll obviously get better at the line
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Not good at layups a either :(
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He can't be on the floor in a close game when the Cats have a lead. Probably should be when the team is behind. I think his overall game will continue to improve incrementally throughout conference play as he gets a clearer idea of his responsibilities on both sides of the floor.
His free throw shooting woes and defensive skills would seem to call for offensive-defense subbing pattern.
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If we need to break a press he's prolly going to be good at that
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Not good at layups a either :(
This is the area where not playing early hurts him the most. He's had no transition from the size he saw in high school to what he sees in conference play & he doesn't see it in practice either.
He can't be on the floor in a close game when the Cats have a lead. Probably should be when the team is behind. I think his overall game will continue to improve incrementally throughout conference play as he gets a clearer idea of his responsibilities on both sides of the floor.
His free throw shooting woes and defensive skills would seem to call for offensive-defense subbing pattern.
If I were behind late I'd foul him to put him on the line.
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If he develops a floater watch out. Most hyper player we've ever had. Appears to only have one speed.
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If he develops a floater watch out. Most hyper player we've ever had. Appears to only have one speed.
Gonna need to, and I'm sure he will, fix that
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If he develops a floater watch out. Most hyper player we've ever had. Appears to only have one speed.
Gonna need to, and I'm sure he will, fix that
Yeah I think he will. When he does he'll probably start making some free throws too. Right now he appears to be running on pure adrenaline at times.
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He should make people really appreciate what we had with Angel.
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I think he isn't as bad a free throw shooter as his percentage indicates. He'll finish above 50% for the season.
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He should make people really appreciate what we had with Angel.
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It's a shame Angel was such an FP
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:lol:
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Jevon is a nice player but his shooting is ridiculously bad. He's like a juco Rondo.
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Jevon will get better at shooting and layups and free throws.
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Jevon will get better at shooting and layups and free throws.
Yeah, obviously, just be nice if he was any kind of jump shooting threat right now. Even shooting the 3 like freshman Angel would make us so much more dangerous.
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I love JT and anyone who tries to tell me I shouldn't is no friend of mine.
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I love JT and anyone who tries to tell me I shouldn't is no friend of mine.
Well said. #Harrump
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Dude is behind. Like 9 months behind. He'll be great next year. Not worried.
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I love JT and anyone who tries to tell me I shouldn't is no friend of mine.
:thumbs:
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The biggest concern is free throws because he's reached a point where he can't be in at the end in close games.
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The biggest concern is free throws because he's reached a point where he can't be in at the end in close games.
In time, I think this, too, will pass. He'll be OK at the line.
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He's just a young kid trying to make up for lost time. Eventually he will stop pressing his game so much, and we will all marvel at how lucky we are to have him.
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He's an important contributor and will be very good for us in the future, but he is terrible at shooting and Nigel still deserves minutes.
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All the #bitd'rs are going to be red in the face by the time this season is done.
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The biggest concern is free throws because he's reached a point where he can't be in at the end in close games.
In time, I think this, too, will pass. He'll be OK at the line.
Not this season
He's just a young kid trying to make up for lost time. Eventually he will stop pressing his game so much, and we will all marvel at how lucky we are to have him.
Man he just can't shoot, he'll obviously get better but I don't think we will ever rely on him for his shooting prowess. I think the percentage goals for him be for he graduates should be around 51%/33%/62%
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Wasn't Barkley that left early (foolishly) from St. Johns a good pg but not a good shooter? St. Johns is in NY. Jevon Thomas will be Barkley if Barkley stayed 4 years.
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The biggest concern is free throws because he's reached a point where he can't be in at the end in close games.
In time, I think this, too, will pass. He'll be OK at the line.
Not this season
He's just a young kid trying to make up for lost time. Eventually he will stop pressing his game so much, and we will all marvel at how lucky we are to have him.
Man he just can't shoot, he'll obviously get better but I don't think we will ever rely on him for his shooting prowess. I think the percentage goals for him be for he graduates should be around 51%/33%/62%
I don't think he will ever be an above average shooter, like you said, if he could get to average then that would be great. He could be a great facilitator though. Once the game slows down for him, then his ability to distribute will outweigh his inability to be a sharpshooter. Just my :th_twocents:
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dave armstrong called him "THE PASS MASTER!" during our game. enjoyed it.
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As a point guard I like what he does and I like that he has the ability to get by people and to the lane/rim. He's going to get better at shooting.
Last night he only had 3 TOs, but a couple were forced and bad decisions, especially the one late in the game.
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As a point guard I like what he does and I like that he has the ability to get by people and to the lane/rim. He's going to get better at shooting.
Last night he only had 3 TOs, but a couple were forced and bad decisions, especially the one late in the game.
It's a catch-22. Gotta love a PG that gets to the rim. he does it exceptionally well. But, the percentage of those drives that turn into points is very low. He routinely misses wide open layups and, when he does initiate contact, he is abysmal at the FT line. Essentially, these are turnovers. maybe it would be better for the team if he didn't take it to the rim.
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Wait til next year when he becomes the best point guard in the history of forever
^ This
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The biggest concern is free throws because he's reached a point where he can't be in at the end in close games.
In time, I think this, too, will pass. He'll be OK at the line.
Not this season
He's just a young kid trying to make up for lost time. Eventually he will stop pressing his game so much, and we will all marvel at how lucky we are to have him.
Man he just can't shoot, he'll obviously get better but I don't think we will ever rely on him for his shooting prowess. I think the percentage goals for him be for he graduates should be around 51%/33%/62%
This.
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As a point guard I like what he does and I like that he has the ability to get by people and to the lane/rim. He's going to get better at shooting.
Last night he only had 3 TOs, but a couple were forced and bad decisions, especially the one late in the game.
It's a catch-22. Gotta love a PG that gets to the rim. he does it exceptionally well. But, the percentage of those drives that turn into points is very low. He routinely misses wide open layups and, when he does initiate contact, he is abysmal at the FT line. Essentially, these are turnovers. maybe it would be better for the team if he didn't take it to the rim.
Though taking it at big guys to get them fouls might help us when we are at a size disadvantage. Drawing fouls also helps us get into a bonus for our better free throw shooters. So. . .much better than a turnover.
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thomas is the true pg that doesn't exist. i know people aren't bitching about him but people shouldn't be bitching about him.
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we've needed a JT for so long. good grief. he makes his teammates better. he'll get better at finishing just like pullen did.
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As a point guard I like what he does and I like that he has the ability to get by people and to the lane/rim. He's going to get better at shooting.
Last night he only had 3 TOs, but a couple were forced and bad decisions, especially the one late in the game.
It's a catch-22. Gotta love a PG that gets to the rim. he does it exceptionally well. But, the percentage of those drives that turn into points is very low. He routinely misses wide open layups and, when he does initiate contact, he is abysmal at the FT line. Essentially, these are turnovers. maybe it would be better for the team if he didn't take it to the rim.
Nope. He needs to take it to the rim even more, if possible.
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Look, he obvs needs to take it to the rim. yes, he draws fouls and creates for his teammates. saying he shouldn't penetrate was mostly hyperbole. but, man, you gotta hit your open layups and not be embarrasingly terrible at the FT line.
yes. he will improve. on this we can all agree. But, at the same time, we can all agree that he must improve because, right now, he's rough ridin' terrible at scoring. you can't be shooting 27%(FG) when the vast majority of your shots are layups. 32% (FT) is mind boggling.
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Look, he obvs needs to take it to the rim. yes, he draws fouls and creates for his teammates. saying he shouldn't penetrate was mostly hyperbole. but, man, you gotta hit your open layups and not be embarrasingly terrible at the FT line.
yes. he will improve. on this we can all agree. But, at the same time, we can all agree that he must improve because, right now, he's rough ridin' terrible at scoring. you can't be shooting 27%(FG) when the vast majority of your shots are layups. 32% (FT) is mind boggling.
pretty terrible post, take notes youngsters
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Look, he obvs needs to take it to the rim. yes, he draws fouls and creates for his teammates. saying he shouldn't penetrate was mostly hyperbole. but, man, you gotta hit your open layups and not be embarrasingly terrible at the FT line.
yes. he will improve. on this we can all agree. But, at the same time, we can all agree that he must improve because, right now, he's rough ridin' terrible at scoring. you can't be shooting 27%(FG) when the vast majority of your shots are layups. 32% (FT) is mind boggling.
pretty terrible post, take notes youngsters
which part? TIA
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Season G FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK PTS
2001-02 37 2.5 6.1 .404 2.1 4.9 .433 0.4 1.2 .289 1.9 2.4 .793 2.7 6.8 1.6 0.1 7.1
2002-03 38 3.1 7.7 .408 2.5 5.1 .490 0.6 2.6 .245 2.1 2.7 .750 3.3 6.4 2.4 0.2 8.9
2003-04 33 3.0 7.5 .402 2.2 5.0 .436 0.8 2.5 .333 2.2 3.1 .699 3.8 7.3 1.9 0.1 9.1
2004-05 30 2.9 6.3 .457 1.5 3.6 .426 1.3 2.7 .500 2.2 2.8 .788 3.5 7.2 1.7 0.3 9.3
In my head, I was hoping for Aaron Miles, but I apparently misremembered Miles as a bad FT shooter.
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WOULD TAKE!
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His FT shooting is really unimaginably bad. Looking back the last 10 or so years we've only had 2 guys shoot in the 30% range, Lou and Freddy. And currently Jevon is shooting worse than those 2 guys ever did in a season.
That said, I think its likely he'll end up shooting in the upper 40% range at worst.
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_Fan, I thought it might be the shakes at first when it came to FT's. Big scene and all, but it's not going away. I wonder how he was in High School? You'd think if you couldn't practice for a whole semester, you'd shoot like a million FT's in that time. :frown:
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_Fan, I thought it might be the shakes at first when it came to FT's. Big scene and all, but it's not going away. I wonder how he was in High School? You'd think if you couldn't practice for a whole semester, you'd shoot like a million FT's in that time. :frown:
It's mental. He has a decent looking shot. hopefully he figures it out soon, b/c I imagine we're going to continue finding ourselves in close ball games. In crunch time, a PG who can't shoot FTs is a killer.
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Jevon has a historically bad EFG. He's currently at 29.1% - the worst for a K-State player in the Kenpom era. He should catch sophomore Chris Merriewhether, who shot 29.4% and is the only other player we've had under 30%.
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Jevon is going to be a star. He'll shoot better than low 30s eventually. Wouldn't surprise me if he isn't a better shooter until his JR year though. At this point you push him to keep getting to the rim until someone can stop him. So athletic, great burst.
His assist to turnover ratio is out of sight! :love:
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I think that when this season is through, Jevon is going to pull an old, worn out pair of sneakers out of his closet and head to the gym every night to shoot 2000 shots. Then he's going to run across the gym for every 2 shots he misses. He's going to be in great shape next season, and his shot will look much better. He might even challenge Marcus to a game of horse after practice next season and catch him by surprise.
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And despite his historically horrific EFG, there's this (I'm guessing the splits are by game rather than possession):
I’m not one of those folks who believes freshman PG Jevon Thomas is this important to Kansas St. It seems a little hard to believe that a player with an 85 ORtg could be fully responsible for this offensive turnaround. But PG is a critical position. And with freshman Nigel Johnson also struggling, there is no question that Thomas’ ability to step into the lineup and distribute has contributed to his team’s turnaround.
http://basketball.realgm.com/article/231579/College-Basketball-Injury-Splits-Part-2
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And despite his historically horrific EFG, there's this (I'm guessing the splits are by game rather than possession):
I’m not one of those folks who believes freshman PG Jevon Thomas is this important to Kansas St. It seems a little hard to believe that a player with an 85 ORtg could be fully responsible for this offensive turnaround. But PG is a critical position. And with freshman Nigel Johnson also struggling, there is no question that Thomas’ ability to step into the lineup and distribute has contributed to his team’s turnaround.
http://basketball.realgm.com/article/231579/College-Basketball-Injury-Splits-Part-2
invalid. no such thing as pg.
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I just thought of this but I've found a very good comparo of what I want Jevon to grow into.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/ohio-state/aaron-craft
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-craft=2010-2011&add=aaron-craft&p1=jevon-thomas
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That says Craft has gotten worse at shooting. He's also a cherry cheeked groper.
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I just thought of this but I've found a very good comparo of what I want Jevon to grow into.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/ohio-state/aaron-craft
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-craft=2010-2011&add=aaron-craft&p1=jevon-thomas
ERROR [CODE: 4523] JEVONTHOMAS=BLACK//AARONCRAFT=WHITE//COMPARISONFAIL
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I just thought of this but I've found a very good comparo of what I want Jevon to grow into.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/ohio-state/aaron-craft
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-craft=2010-2011&add=aaron-craft&p1=jevon-thomas
ERROR [CODE: 4523] JEVONTHOMAS=BLACK//AARONCRAFT=WHITE//COMPARISONFAIL
:lol:
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Pfffft
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I just thought of this but I've found a very good comparo of what I want Jevon to grow into.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/ohio-state/aaron-craft
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-craft=2010-2011&add=aaron-craft&p1=jevon-thomas
ERROR [CODE: 4523] JEVONTHOMAS=BLACK//AARONCRAFT=WHITE//COMPARISONFAIL
:ROFL:
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lol