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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: stunted on November 23, 2013, 12:25:21 PM
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STUD!
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He's throwing some great balls, but he's also benefiting substantially from having the best receiver in K-State's history. Lockett is probably the biggest reason Waters had to play this season, and Snyds, I'm guessing, knew that all along.
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He's throwing some great balls, but he's also benefiting substantially from having the best receiver in K-State's history. Lockett is probably the biggest reason Waters had to play this season, and Snyds, I'm guessing, knew that all along.
I think more people than Snyds knew that
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He's throwing some great balls, but he's also benefiting substantially from having the best receiver in K-State's history. Lockett is probably the biggest reason Waters had to play this season, and Snyds, I'm guessing, knew that all along.
I think more people than Snyds knew that
I Was One Of Them.
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He's throwing some great balls, but he's also benefiting substantially from having the best receiver in K-State's history. Lockett is probably the biggest reason Waters had to play this season, and Snyds, I'm guessing, knew that all along.
http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=3048
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Lol @waters.
Sams wins this game.
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He's throwing some great balls, but he's also benefiting substantially from having the best receiver in K-State's history. Lockett is probably the biggest reason Waters had to play this season, and Snyds, I'm guessing, knew that all along.
http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=3048
A loss is a loss. This game had a lot of similarities to that one. Not enough balance on offense.
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Lol @waters.
Sams wins this game.
No, not this one
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Lol @waters.
Sams wins this game.
You've never looked like a bigger idiot
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:flush:
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Do you even watch the games?
Waters has been terrible today, and is extremely lucky that Lockett is such a gigantic stud.
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Do you even watch the games?
Waters has been terrible today, and is extremely lucky that Lockett is such a gigantic stud.
Terrible? How exactly?
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Guess you didn't watch the game.
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Guess you didn't watch the game.
Sound argument :jerk:
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Waters was awful.
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#TeamUnderthrowOverthrow
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I've said it several times before, but Waters is far better than Waters at throwing deep balls. Sams is far better at everything else.
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I've said it several times before, but Waters is far better than Waters at throwing deep balls. Sams is far better at everything else.
The real problem is that Waters isn't even competent at anything else. Consistency is the most important thing for an offense to have and you just aren't going to consistently get receivers wide open deep down the field.
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Every one of our losses has a common denominator. In our losses we did not use a balanced QB rotation, whether it be Sams or Waters receiving the majority of the snaps. Just my observation.
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I've said it several times before, but Waters is far better than Waters at throwing deep balls. Sams is far better at everything else.
The real problem is that Waters isn't even competent at anything else. Consistency is the most important thing for an offense to have and you just aren't going to consistently get receivers wide open deep down the field.
But our coaches panic if there's any kind of deficit and think they need to get it all back in one play. It worked against tcu and the first half today, but as we saw, you can't expect those plays to be there reliably.
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I thought his intermediate passing was good. I thought what killed him today was a drop by Sexton and multiple drops by TT. Which led to punts. I understand that if you have a good passing QB and no receivers you shouldn't go with a passing QB. Thing is, I believe we do have good receivers, and that TT and Sexton make those catches 99% of the time.
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I thought his intermediate passing was good. I thought what killed him today was a drop by Sexton and multiple drops by TT. Which led to punts. I understand that if you have a good passing QB and no receivers you shouldn't go with a passing QB. Thing is, I believe we do have good receivers, and that TT and Sexton make those catches 99% of the time.
thanks, torrel
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I thought his intermediate passing was good. I thought what killed him today was a drop by Sexton and multiple drops by TT. Which led to punts. I understand that if you have a good passing QB and no receivers you shouldn't go with a passing QB. Thing is, I believe we do have good receivers, and that TT and Sexton make those catches 99% of the time.
They don't drop those passes if they aren't over their heads and behind their back. Basically, they don't drop those passes if they are thrown by Daniel Sams.
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I thought his intermediate passing was good. I thought what killed him today was a drop by Sexton and multiple drops by TT. Which led to punts. I understand that if you have a good passing QB and no receivers you shouldn't go with a passing QB. Thing is, I believe we do have good receivers, and that TT and Sexton make those catches 99% of the time.
They don't drop those passes if they aren't over their heads and behind their back. Basically, they don't drop those passes if they are thrown by Daniel Sams.
One hit TT in the numbers. Sexton's was an easy grab too. He did have a few high throws, but no one else was around so they should have been caught.
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Waters was god awful in the second half. Our TOP is terrible when he is playing QB. TOP is key, we need to win TOP in order to be successful. Dumbasses like bucket can't see that.
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Waters was god awful in the second half. Our TOP is terrible when he is playing QB. TOP is key, we need to win TOP in order to be successful. Dumbasses like bucket can't see that.
I don't think TOP or Waters had anything to with today's loss :dunno:
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Waters was god awful in the second half. Our TOP is terrible when he is playing QB. TOP is key, we need to win TOP in order to be successful. Dumbasses like bucket can't see that.
I don't think TOP or Waters had anything to with today's loss :dunno:
i know you don't, b/c you're dumb.
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I thought his intermediate passing was good. I thought what killed him today was a drop by Sexton and multiple drops by TT. Which led to punts. I understand that if you have a good passing QB and no receivers you shouldn't go with a passing QB. Thing is, I believe we do have good receivers, and that TT and Sexton make those catches 99% of the time.
They don't drop those passes if they aren't over their heads and behind their back. Basically, they don't drop those passes if they are thrown by Daniel Sams.
One hit TT in the numbers. Sexton's was an easy grab too. He did have a few high throws, but no one else was around so they should have been caught.
So one out of his 12 incompletions was a good pass. That sounds about right.
Jake didn't singlehandedly lose the game. The defense was awful. Jake going out and basically scoring 14 points for Oklahoma while only scoring 10 points for Kansas State in the second half didn't help matters, though.
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I thought his intermediate passing was good. I thought what killed him today was a drop by Sexton and multiple drops by TT. Which led to punts. I understand that if you have a good passing QB and no receivers you shouldn't go with a passing QB. Thing is, I believe we do have good receivers, and that TT and Sexton make those catches 99% of the time.
They don't drop those passes if they aren't over their heads and behind their back. Basically, they don't drop those passes if they are thrown by Daniel Sams.
One hit TT in the numbers. Sexton's was an easy grab too. He did have a few high throws, but no one else was around so they should have been caught.
So one out of his 12 incompletions was a good pass. That sounds about right.
Jake didn't singlehandedly lose the game. The defense was awful. Jake going out and basically scoring 14 points for Oklahoma while only scoring 10 points for Kansas State in the second half didn't help matters, though.
You're right. OU's defense adjusted as I expected them to. Jake was decent up until when the offense was pinned on their own three yard line and had "the worst punt of the century." I flipped it to the Brady Bunch after that. Maybe he looked like dog crap after that :dunno:
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I thought his intermediate passing was good. I thought what killed him today was a drop by Sexton and multiple drops by TT. Which led to punts. I understand that if you have a good passing QB and no receivers you shouldn't go with a passing QB. Thing is, I believe we do have good receivers, and that TT and Sexton make those catches 99% of the time.
They don't drop those passes if they aren't over their heads and behind their back. Basically, they don't drop those passes if they are thrown by Daniel Sams.
One hit TT in the numbers. Sexton's was an easy grab too. He did have a few high throws, but no one else was around so they should have been caught.
So one out of his 12 incompletions was a good pass. That sounds about right.
Jake didn't singlehandedly lose the game. The defense was awful. Jake going out and basically scoring 14 points for Oklahoma while only scoring 10 points for Kansas State in the second half didn't help matters, though.
You're right. OU's defense adjusted as I expected them to. Jake was decent up until when the offense was pinned on their own three yard line and had "the worst punt of the century." I flipped it to the Brady Bunch after that. Maybe he looked like dog crap after that :dunno:
If Jake can even move the offense 4 or 5 yards on that drive, the punter has more room and that awful punt probably doesn't happen. He got zero yards, though. Then he got the ball back and promptly threw a pick 6.
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I thought his intermediate passing was good. I thought what killed him today was a drop by Sexton and multiple drops by TT. Which led to punts. I understand that if you have a good passing QB and no receivers you shouldn't go with a passing QB. Thing is, I believe we do have good receivers, and that TT and Sexton make those catches 99% of the time.
They don't drop those passes if they aren't over their heads and behind their back. Basically, they don't drop those passes if they are thrown by Daniel Sams.
One hit TT in the numbers. Sexton's was an easy grab too. He did have a few high throws, but no one else was around so they should have been caught.
So one out of his 12 incompletions was a good pass. That sounds about right.
Jake didn't singlehandedly lose the game. The defense was awful. Jake going out and basically scoring 14 points for Oklahoma while only scoring 10 points for Kansas State in the second half didn't help matters, though.
You're right. OU's defense adjusted as I expected them to. Jake was decent up until when the offense was pinned on their own three yard line and had "the worst punt of the century." I flipped it to the Brady Bunch after that. Maybe he looked like dog crap after that :dunno:
If Jake can even move the offense 4 or 5 yards on that drive, the punter has more room and that awful punt probably doesn't happen. He got zero yards, though. Then he got the ball back and promptly threw a pick 6.
TT dropped pass ;)
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Would have been a first down
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Every Waters pass ever should have been caught.
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Every Waters pass ever should have been caught.
Yeah. We should probably go back and watch the film so we can discredit all of Sams' completions that should have been dropped, too.
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I'm just saying maybe put the blame on the receivers and not Waters. You guys really are worse than tucks with your Waters' hate.
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Worse than tucks! :don'tcare:
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I'm just saying maybe put the blame on the receivers and not Waters. You guys really are worse than tucks with your Waters' hate.
the pick 6 wasn't his fault either right?
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I'm just saying maybe put the blame on the receivers and not Waters. You guys really are worse than tucks with your Waters' hate.
the pick 6 wasn't his fault either right?
That one was on Waters
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I'm just saying maybe put the blame on the receivers and not Waters. You guys really are worse than tucks with your Waters' hate.
If we had somebody on the bench better than Thompson who wouldn't drop as many passes, I would be pissed about the receiver play. That's not the case, though. We are playing our best players at WR. We are not playing our best player at QB, and it's maddening.
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You guys really are worse than tucks with your Waters' hate.
Seriously, Jake Waters has single handedly lowered the cumulative football IQ of GE posters by tens of thousands of points
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You guys really are worse than tucks with your Waters' hate.
Seriously, Jake Waters has single handedly lowered the cumulative football IQ of GE posters by tens of thousands of points
well it was already in the trillions so tens of thousands is statistically insignificant
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You guys really are worse than tucks with your Waters' hate.
Seriously, Jake Waters has single handedly lowered the cumulative football IQ of GE posters by tens of thousands of points
well it was already in the trillions so tens of thousands is statistically insignificant
:billdance:
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I'm just saying maybe put the blame on the receivers and not Waters. You guys really are worse than tucks with your Waters' hate.
If we had somebody on the bench better than Thompson who wouldn't drop as many passes, I would be pissed about the receiver play. That's not the case, though. We are playing our best players at WR. We are not playing our best player at QB, and it's maddening.
I haven't seen either QB do markedly better than the other. Waters was very effective early so I don't have a problem with him playing out the game.
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We have a fairly sizable sample size now. Has Waters ever moved the team off our own goal line? Fail miserably at that today, leading directly to two OU scores.
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TOP doesn't mean jack crap when your defense can't force a punt to save their life.
How many 3 and outs did they force today?
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We have a fairly sizable sample size now. Has Waters ever moved the team off our own goal line? Fail miserably at that today, leading directly to two OU scores.
according to some posters, that isn't his fault and had nothing to do with why we lost
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We have a fairly sizable sample size now. Has Waters ever moved the team off our own goal line? Fail miserably at that today, leading directly to two OU scores.
according to some posters, that isn't his fault and had nothing to do with why we lost
Dropped pass
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TOP doesn't mean jack crap when your defense can't force a punt to save their life.
How many 3 and outs did they force today?
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TOP is most important in games like today's, actually. OU was running the ball down our throat for several minutes at a time. You just can't afford to go all H3O and put that defense right back out there.
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TOP doesn't mean jack crap when your defense can't force a punt to save their life.
How many 3 and outs did they force today?
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TOP is most important in games like today's, actually. OU was running the ball down our throat for several minutes at a time. You just can't afford to go all H3O and put that defense right back out there.
Would it have mattered? Seriously?
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TOP doesn't mean jack crap when your defense can't force a punt to save their life.
How many 3 and outs did they force today?
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TOP is most important in games like today's, actually. OU was running the ball down our throat for several minutes at a time. You just can't afford to go all H3O and put that defense right back out there.
Would it have mattered? Seriously?
u serious bro?
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TOP doesn't mean jack crap when your defense can't force a punt to save their life.
How many 3 and outs did they force today?
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TOP is most important in games like today's, actually. OU was running the ball down our throat for several minutes at a time. You just can't afford to go all H3O and put that defense right back out there.
Would it have mattered? Seriously?
Of course it would have mattered.
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If today taught me anything, its that we'll never be successful with Waters as our QB. I mean, I guess I already knew that, but today reinforced it.
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If today taught me anything, its that we'll never be successful with Waters as our QB. I mean, I guess I already knew that, but today reinforced it.
3/9 on third down conversions. Whats our guy Daniel converting at?
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Daniel Sams wins this game if he gets the snaps.
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Did anyone hear the announcers say Bill basically uses no logic or reason for deciding when each QB plays? WTF?
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We have a fairly sizable sample size now. Has Waters ever moved the team off our own goal line? Fail miserably at that today, leading directly to two OU scores.
according to some posters, that isn't his fault and had nothing to do with why we lost
Dropped pass
ignoring the other 2 downs where waters made the mistakes...
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Did anyone hear the announcers say Bill basically uses no logic or reason for deciding when each QB plays? WTF?
"goes by feel"
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Waters is an NFL caliber QB and you want him off the field?
And before you challenge me i dare you to watch the NFL QBs.
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Waters is an NFL caliber QB and you want him off the field?
And before you challenge me i dare you to watch the NFL QBs.
Yes,yes he is. Do you think he will declare early? :Woot:
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waters biggest mistake today imo was the 1st down play from our own 3. He had sexton out wide right in single press coverage with the safety playing tight in the box. sexton easily beat the corner off the snap and was wide open.
waters never looked at him. he's got to see that pre-snap. he's got to. he didn't.
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waters biggest mistake today imo was the 1st down play from our own 3. He had sexton out wide right in single press coverage with the safety playing tight in the box. sexton easily beat the corner off the snap and was wide open.
waters never looked at him. he's got to see that pre-snap. he's got to. he didn't.
The dipshit's eyes are glued on Locket. Also, have you ever seen him get us out of the end zone when he under pressure.
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So clue me in, all the people defending waters over sams are doing an elaborate troll, right?
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Holy crap we have some rough ridin' idiots around here
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We have some ignorant, irrational people around here.
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We have some ignorant, irrational people around here.
Yes we do
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Honestly water played well today he really did, but he mumped up his fair share as well
This one is on coaching, specifically defense
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Fwiw, I think waters is probably a pretty neat guy in real life
But here's the deal, he reminds me of no other snyder qb, and, that is problematic as snyder is still our coach and that means the qb does not fit our scheme
Can't milk the clock to make up for defensive inefficiencies, can't extend the play with his legs, can't wil a team to victory, can't can't can't...
But he can loft a ball in the air so the fastest guy on the field can bail him out, I'll give him that
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Fwiw, I think waters is probably a pretty neat guy in real life
But here's the deal, he reminds me of no other snyder qb, and, that is problematic as snyder is still our coach and that means the qb does not fit our scheme
Can't milk the clock to make up for defensive inefficiencies, can't extend the play with his legs, can't wil a team to victory, can't can't can't...
But he can loft a ball in the air so the fastest guy on the field can bail him out, I'll give him that
Ever heard of Chad May?
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jake waters ain't chad may.
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He isn't getting bailed out retards.
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Fwiw, I think waters is probably a pretty neat guy in real life
But here's the deal, he reminds me of no other snyder qb, and, that is problematic as snyder is still our coach and that means the qb does not fit our scheme
Can't milk the clock to make up for defensive inefficiencies, can't extend the play with his legs, can't wil a team to victory, can't can't can't...
But he can loft a ball in the air so the fastest guy on the field can bail him out, I'll give him that
Ever heard of Chad May?
Ok, 1 qb who wasn't that good but was the best ksu had since probably dickey so he was deemed really really good
How bout beasley, bishop, roberson, klein
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Honestly water played well today he really did, but he mumped up his fair share as well
This one is on coaching, specifically defense
He didn't play well, he had a few nice completions to Lockett and that was it, that doesn't constitute a good game. If you think he played well, then you're an idiot. We need a QB who controls the clock and scores TDs, nearly all of our scores with Waters are on big plays.
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nearly all of our scores with Waters are on big plays.
Should he tell Lockett to just fall down 10 yards after he bails him out? :dunno:
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Honestly water played well today he really did, but he mumped up his fair share as well
This one is on coaching, specifically defense
He didn't play well, he had a few nice completions to Lockett and that was it, that doesn't constitute a good game. If you think he played well, then you're an idiot. We need a QB who controls the clock and scores TDs, nearly all of our scores with Waters are on big plays.
I hate long TD passes! :curse:
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Fwiw, I think waters is probably a pretty neat guy in real life
But here's the deal, he reminds me of no other snyder qb, and, that is problematic as snyder is still our coach and that means the qb does not fit our scheme
Can't milk the clock to make up for defensive inefficiencies, can't extend the play with his legs, can't wil a team to victory, can't can't can't...
But he can loft a ball in the air so the fastest guy on the field can bail him out, I'll give him that
Ever heard of Chad May?
Ok, 1 qb who wasn't that good but was the best ksu had since probably dickey so he was deemed really really good
How bout beasley, bishop, roberson, klein
You said you couldn't think of one. I was just helping you out.
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Honestly water played well today he really did, but he mumped up his fair share as well
This one is on coaching, specifically defense
He didn't play well, he had a few nice completions to Lockett and that was it, that doesn't constitute a good game. If you think he played well, then you're an idiot. We need a QB who controls the clock and scores TDs, nearly all of our scores with Waters are on big plays.
i guess you missed the part where I said he had eff ups. Btw "well" is not good or great it's "well"
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those long bombs were a lot of fun.. and quite shocking considering our run game
great thread irl friend stunted
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Lol comparing waters to may, who was a 56% career passer with a 28-22 td to int ratio lmfbo
You just made my point
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nearly all of our scores with Waters are on big plays.
Should he tell Lockett to just fall down 10 yards after he bails him out? :dunno:
he can't string together a long TD drive, that is a rough ridin' problem
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nearly all of our scores with Waters are on big plays.
Should he tell Lockett to just fall down 10 yards after he bails him out? :dunno:
he can't string together a long TD drive, that is a rough ridin' problem
Well, I can agree with that, but that's a lot different than bomb TD passes. No doubt the inability of Waters led offense to sustain drives with any regularity is a problem.
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Waters can't score on long drives. Sams moves the chains, but when it's third and long he's mumped.
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Waters can't score on long drives. Sams moves the chains, but when it's third and long he's mumped.
yep just flies threw the air five yds for a first
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How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?
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How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?
8
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How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?
8
not today.
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How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?
8
Out of how many possessions? I take statistical analysis very seriously.
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Too much sideline control over the offense. The check down run out the clock checks are bullshit.
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I like when we use the #Lifewaters duo well, but that almost seems to have been lightening in a bottle. Sams should get all snaps within either 20 yard line. When we had it on our own 3 yard line today and trotted Waters out there, I knew it'd be a 3 and out. No doubt in my mind. After the first half, I honestly wouldn't have been too upset with Waters coming back in once Sams got it past the 20 yard line, especially if it meant we'd bring Sams back in once we got inside OU's 20 yard line. But who knows, these are just a dinkmentia-less man's thoughts.
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How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?
8
How many of those has he converted?
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I like when we use the #Lifewaters duo well, but that almost seems to have been lightening in a bottle. Sams should get all snaps within either 20 yard line. When we had it on our own 3 yard line today and trotted Waters out there, I knew it'd be a 3 and out. No doubt in my mind. After the first half, I honestly wouldn't have been too upset with Waters coming back in once Sams got it past the 20 yard line, especially if it meant we'd bring Sams back in once we got inside OU's 20 yard line. But who knows, these are just a dinkmentia-less man's thoughts.
Remember when Sams was playing well vs OSU and we put Waters in inside the 5 yard line? That worked out great. There really is no logical rhyme or reason to the way Bill uses his QBs this year.
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How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?
8
How many of those has he converted?
8 is completely made up. I think before he got bumped from the rankings this week due to lack of attempts he was converting at something absurd like 95% of third down attempts. How many of those were 5 yards and beyond is a mystery to me.
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If Waters were actually a good QB, how many more of those bombs does he connect on instead of missing? He had come good throws down the field, but he had just as many poor ones. Also, he seems to love taking sacks.
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I like when we use the #Lifewaters duo well, but that almost seems to have been lightening in a bottle. Sams should get all snaps within either 20 yard line. When we had it on our own 3 yard line today and trotted Waters out there, I knew it'd be a 3 and out. No doubt in my mind. After the first half, I honestly wouldn't have been too upset with Waters coming back in once Sams got it past the 20 yard line, especially if it meant we'd bring Sams back in once we got inside OU's 20 yard line. But who knows, these are just a dinkmentia-less man's thoughts.
This is what I was saying to the guys I sit with at the game. Most are tucks in their 50's, but they feel the same way. :cheers:
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How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?
8
How many of those has he converted?
8 is completely made up. I think before he got bumped from the rankings this week due to lack of attempts he was converting at something absurd like 95% of third down attempts. How many of those were 5 yards and beyond is a mystery to me.
BY DOWN AND DISTANCE CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
3rd & 6+ 8 13 92 61.5 7.08 16 1 1 1 131.0 6 25 4.2 11 0
3rd (or 4th) down and 9+ yards to go 3 5 35 60.0 7.00 14 1 1 0 144.8 3 20 6.7 11 0
3rd (or 4th) down and 3-8 yards to go 10 13 103 76.9 7.92 16 0 0 1 143.5 9 64 7.1 27 1
3rd (or 4th) down and 1-2 yards to go 0 0 0 0.0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0.0 9 80 8.9 32 1
Roughly 3 & 6+ yards he has had at least 19 attempts, he is roughly making a first down around 60% of the time on third and long.
Holy crap, here is your key Statistics comparison:
While waters is close with his completion rate on 3 & 6+ yards - 22 COmpletions 37attempts 416yards 59.5%
His rushing is 16 Attempts for 0 yards. Combined for a rough estimate of 40% chance for a first down on third and long with 53 attempts. So, while Water's has double the attempts, he also has 20% chance less likely of making the first down in comparison with Sams.
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He's actually 33% less likely than Sams to get a first down.