does that include hiring a coach?
I agree but I will still be sad knowing what we had in basketball.
I agree but I will still be sad knowing what we had in basketball.
tbh, it wasn't much. Dalonte had dank AAU connections. Outside of that... :whistle1:
I agree but I will still be sad knowing what we had in basketball.
tbh, it wasn't much. Dalonte had dank AAU connections. Outside of that... :whistle1:
Basketball was fun. The real OOD was fun. It will be sad to remember those things and know there never coming back.
Better to have loved and lost than to never of loved before I guess :(
I agree but I will still be sad knowing what we had in basketball.
tbh, it wasn't much. Dalonte had dank AAU connections. Outside of that... :whistle1:
I agree but I will still be sad knowing what we had in basketball.
tbh, it wasn't much. Dalonte had dank AAU connections. Outside of that... :whistle1:
Outside of that, we still had tons of talent. JFC, Frank did a great job of finding his guys, and his busts only stuck around for 1 or 2 seasons.
I'll let him do whatever he wants to basketball. WHATEVER HE WANTS.(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrumpycatpics.com%2Fpics%2F26%2FEmbrace-The-Dark-Side-.jpg&hash=433b11321297c53797e84f427e391eb0bb4cff3e)
The problem is the way he handled basketball makes me question his ability to handle football.I bet he narrows in on a recently fired head coach
The problem is the way he handled basketball makes me question his ability to handle football.
I wish people would just let the doom thing die nowthe tucks eventually embraced it and like everything else with them letting go is difficult to do
The problem is the way he handled basketball makes me question his ability to handle football.
is he smart enough to realize the relative importance of the two? that's the question.
gonna be a hell of a lot easier to hire a coach when we win it all next year
The problem is the way he handled basketball makes me question his ability to handle football.
is he smart enough to realize the relative importance of the two? that's the question.
The problem is the way he handled basketball makes me question his ability to handle football.
is he smart enough to realize the relative importance of the two? that's the question.
What if oscar was "trying his best" ? I mean why would he not hire the best BB coach he can? What's the incremental increase in effort and expense to get someone good? I doubt it's less than the potential (in our case, realized) dumpster fire of hiring someone that sucks.
The problem is the way he handled basketball makes me question his ability to handle football.
is he smart enough to realize the relative importance of the two? that's the question.
What if oscar was "trying his best" ? I mean why would he not hire the best BB coach he can? What's the incremental increase in effort and expense to get someone good? I doubt it's less than the potential (in our case, realized) dumpster fire of hiring someone that sucks.
Brad would have taken the job for less than we are paying oscar and would have been more successful.
I don't think this thought carries as much weight as people like to believe.gonna be a hell of a lot easier to hire a coach when we win it all next year
Who wouldn't want to takeover for a guy with his name on the stadium and a statue after he wins it all
I don't think this thought carries as much weight as people like to believe.gonna be a hell of a lot easier to hire a coach when we win it all next year
Who wouldn't want to takeover for a guy with his name on the stadium and a statue after he wins it all
The problem is the way he handled basketball makes me question his ability to handle football.
is he smart enough to realize the relative importance of the two? that's the question.
What if oscar was "trying his best" ? I mean why would he not hire the best BB coach he can? What's the incremental increase in effort and expense to get someone good? I doubt it's less than the potential (in our case, realized) dumpster fire of hiring someone that sucks.
Brad would have taken the job for less than we are paying oscar and would have been more successful.
Ya, by no way am I advocating for Currie. I don't trust him to make a football hire based on his bball hire. I agree with sd's sentiment but the "if" in his original post is a big rough ridin' if.
gonna be a hell of a lot easier to hire a coach when we win it all next year
Who wouldn't want to takeover for a guy with his name on the stadium and a statue after he wins it all
Throwing financial logic and reason out the window for means of this post, I would gladly never have heard the name snyder if it meant we could be really good at bb consistently. The heart wants what the heart wants.
All right, logic back in place from this point forward: football full steam ahead.
Throwing financial logic and reason out the window for means of this post, I would gladly never have heard the name snyder if it meant we could be really good at bb consistently. The heart wants what the heart wants.
All right, logic back in place from this point forward: football full steam ahead.
I always knew there was something just a little bit off with you
Man, I've gotta think filling the seats in Bram would make for a financially stronger Athletic Department.
Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
I generally agree with all of this, but I don't think even currie knew exactly how shitty oscar was going to be as a coach. I think he imagined that with the btf, he would be able to recruit better and he's a decent enough x's an o's coach to at least be a bubble team every year, and that would be good enough for the fans as long as we had continued success in football. it seems the crap might be about to hit the fan if this bball team is as bad as it appears.Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
I believed this 100%. Currie thinks he has bigger fish to fry after going through realignment (i.e. need football to be good), and he was spending too much time, effort, and (eventually) money on Frank. Not that I feel this is right or wrong; it just was what it was.
I think that's why he essentially gave oscar Frank's contract and just washed his hands of everything. oscar was his perfect hire: clean, boring, willing to work for cheap, and someone you can just ignore while you focus on raising money and building crap.
I don't necessarily believe that he'll hire a great football coach, but I think he will be much more diligent, consult with better people, and be willing to spend way more money because he knows the importance of it to our university AND his career.
Want a job in the SEC? Knock it out of the park in football. Basketball is a luxury and should be treated as such.*
*Not that I agree with this assessment, but look at how they treat most basketball programs down there...
Where did the money come from; in case you don't know...FOOTBALL, DUMBASS. :facepalm:I generally agree with all of this, but I don't think even currie knew exactly how shitty oscar was going to be as a coach. I think he imagined that with the btf, he would be able to recruit better and he's a decent enough x's an o's coach to at least be a bubble team every year, and that would be good enough for the fans as long as we had continued success in football. it seems the crap might be about to hit the fan if this bball team is as bad as it appears.Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
I believed this 100%. Currie thinks he has bigger fish to fry after going through realignment (i.e. need football to be good), and he was spending too much time, effort, and (eventually) money on Frank. Not that I feel this is right or wrong; it just was what it was.
I think that's why he essentially gave oscar Frank's contract and just washed his hands of everything. oscar was his perfect hire: clean, boring, willing to work for cheap, and someone you can just ignore while you focus on raising money and building crap.
I don't necessarily believe that he'll hire a great football coach, but I think he will be much more diligent, consult with better people, and be willing to spend way more money because he knows the importance of it to our university AND his career.
Want a job in the SEC? Knock it out of the park in football. Basketball is a luxury and should be treated as such.*
*Not that I agree with this assessment, but look at how they treat most basketball programs down there...
it would be different if we had absolutely no basketball tradition and had always been shitty. I think what currie failed to factor in is that a lot of the current large donors were in college when we were an elite basketball school and they won't settle for an embarrassing basketball program, regardless of how good football is. he's simply not going to be able to get away with having a shiny new btf and letting a shitty coach run the program into the ground year after year...particularly when we're swimming in money and have the means to hire a top tier coach.
Where did the money come from; in case you don't know...FOOTBALL, DUMBASS. :facepalm:I generally agree with all of this, but I don't think even currie knew exactly how shitty oscar was going to be as a coach. I think he imagined that with the btf, he would be able to recruit better and he's a decent enough x's an o's coach to at least be a bubble team every year, and that would be good enough for the fans as long as we had continued success in football. it seems the crap might be about to hit the fan if this bball team is as bad as it appears.Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
I believed this 100%. Currie thinks he has bigger fish to fry after going through realignment (i.e. need football to be good), and he was spending too much time, effort, and (eventually) money on Frank. Not that I feel this is right or wrong; it just was what it was.
I think that's why he essentially gave oscar Frank's contract and just washed his hands of everything. oscar was his perfect hire: clean, boring, willing to work for cheap, and someone you can just ignore while you focus on raising money and building crap.
I don't necessarily believe that he'll hire a great football coach, but I think he will be much more diligent, consult with better people, and be willing to spend way more money because he knows the importance of it to our university AND his career.
Want a job in the SEC? Knock it out of the park in football. Basketball is a luxury and should be treated as such.*
*Not that I agree with this assessment, but look at how they treat most basketball programs down there...
it would be different if we had absolutely no basketball tradition and had always been shitty. I think what currie failed to factor in is that a lot of the current large donors were in college when we were an elite basketball school and they won't settle for an embarrassing basketball program, regardless of how good football is. he's simply not going to be able to get away with having a shiny new btf and letting a shitty coach run the program into the ground year after year...particularly when we're swimming in money and have the means to hire a top tier coach.
If currie hired oscar to be someone that wouldn't suck too bad and wouldn't ask for anything and wouldn't get in troubs, then Currie is lazy at best.yes, it was/is probably lazy, but I don't think he was trying to put it on cruise control to give football attention. I think he was doing it so he could focus on raising money and building facilities. frank was probably making him nervous and demanding a lot of attention (not to mention questioning him publicly) and it was hindering his time and ability to raise money. you have to also assume that he was getting a lot pressure to make a change from the old money that was growing weary of frank's schtick. I still don't disagree with his decision to get rid of frank, he just botched the hire in a incomprehensible way by focusing on finding an anti-frank. we had a good core group of players coming back and a fancy new btf to recruit with and he just completely rough ridin' phoned it in.
We had a lot of momentum with fans and revenue. To try to simply cruise control that is dumb. Its not like fb was hurting or needing attention.
Huggs cost us 5 mill, but made us 15 mill the very first year we hired him. Not sure what Frank gave us, but is had to be a few mill.Where did the money come from; in case you don't know...FOOTBALL, DUMBASS. :facepalm:I generally agree with all of this, but I don't think even currie knew exactly how shitty oscar was going to be as a coach. I think he imagined that with the btf, he would be able to recruit better and he's a decent enough x's an o's coach to at least be a bubble team every year, and that would be good enough for the fans as long as we had continued success in football. it seems the crap might be about to hit the fan if this bball team is as bad as it appears.Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
I believed this 100%. Currie thinks he has bigger fish to fry after going through realignment (i.e. need football to be good), and he was spending too much time, effort, and (eventually) money on Frank. Not that I feel this is right or wrong; it just was what it was.
I think that's why he essentially gave oscar Frank's contract and just washed his hands of everything. oscar was his perfect hire: clean, boring, willing to work for cheap, and someone you can just ignore while you focus on raising money and building crap.
I don't necessarily believe that he'll hire a great football coach, but I think he will be much more diligent, consult with better people, and be willing to spend way more money because he knows the importance of it to our university AND his career.
Want a job in the SEC? Knock it out of the park in football. Basketball is a luxury and should be treated as such.*
*Not that I agree with this assessment, but look at how they treat most basketball programs down there...
it would be different if we had absolutely no basketball tradition and had always been shitty. I think what currie failed to factor in is that a lot of the current large donors were in college when we were an elite basketball school and they won't settle for an embarrassing basketball program, regardless of how good football is. he's simply not going to be able to get away with having a shiny new btf and letting a shitty coach run the program into the ground year after year...particularly when we're swimming in money and have the means to hire a top tier coach.
Basketball is profitable though. A shitty program is leaving money on the table.
The problem is the way he handled basketball makes me question his ability to handle football.I bet he narrows in on a recently fired head coach
If currie hired oscar to be someone that wouldn't suck too bad and wouldn't ask for anything and wouldn't get in troubs, then Currie is lazy at best.
We had a lot of momentum with fans and revenue. To try to simply cruise control that is dumb. Its not like fb was hurting or needing attention.
No deal. Both are important to me. :combofan:
If currie hired oscar to be someone that wouldn't suck too bad and wouldn't ask for anything and wouldn't get in troubs, then Currie is lazy at best.
We had a lot of momentum with fans and revenue. To try to simply cruise control that is dumb. Its not like fb was hurting or needing attention.
Football will always need attention. Its like, way more important.
#PearlplzHonestly, if Currie would hire this guy after this coming abortion of a season, I would completely change my opinion and be fully on board going forward.
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If currie hired oscar to be someone that wouldn't suck too bad and wouldn't ask for anything and wouldn't get in troubs, then Currie is lazy at best.
We had a lot of momentum with fans and revenue. To try to simply cruise control that is dumb. Its not like fb was hurting or needing attention.
Football will always need attention. Its like, way more important.
Yes, but I meant full attention. If an AD of a profitable dept can't provide adequate attention to both, then they need more staff or to leave.#PearlplzHonestly, if Currie would hire this guy after this coming abortion of a season, I would completely change my opinion and be fully on board going forward.
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It seemed to me the vast majority of Frank - ADJC conflicts were instigated by the AD - Dillardsgate, CK, Jamar's receipt were all handled in the most ham handed fashion possible.
I believed this 100%. Currie thinks he has bigger fish to fry after going through realignment (i.e. need football to be good), and he was spending too much time, effort, and (eventually) money on Frank. Not that I feel this is right or wrong; it just was what it was.
I think that's why he essentially gave oscar Frank's contract and just washed his hands of everything. oscar was his perfect hire: clean, boring, willing to work for cheap, and someone you can just ignore while you focus on raising money and building crap.
I don't necessarily believe that he'll hire a great football coach, but I think he will be much more diligent, consult with better people, and be willing to spend way more money because he knows the importance of it to our university AND his career.
Want a job in the SEC? Knock it out of the park in football. Basketball is a luxury and should be treated as such.*
*Not that I agree with this assessment, but look at how they treat most basketball programs down there...
Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
Who were the other names?
Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
Who were the other names?
Jamie Dixon and Sean Miller
No rough ridin' way.Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
Who were the other names?
Jamie Dixon and Sean Miller
Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
Who were the other names?
Jamie Dixon and Sean Miller
Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
Who were the other names?
Jamie Dixon and Sean Miller
Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
Who were the other names?
Jamie Dixon and Sean Miller
:surprised:
No rough ridin' way.Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
Who were the other names?
Jamie Dixon and Sean Miller
you guys, what if curried just schemed the eff out of everybody and intentionally hired a shitty coach so he could fire him right as pearl's show-cause expired? the ultimate scheme.I'd wear an actual clownsuit for a week
Jamie Dixon is kind of a loon so I wouldn't totally put it past him to put out feelers (very light feelers) but LMAO @ Sean Miller.
Sean Miller wanted to coach the cats you guise!
Me too and give JC a hand-jammy in the back seat of his car while wearing the suit.you guys, what if curried just schemed the eff out of everybody and intentionally hired a shitty coach so he could fire him right as pearl's show-cause expired? the ultimate scheme.I'd wear an actual clownsuit for a week
can we, as a board, agree to just end the pearl talk now and forever. it is not ever, ever, ever going to happen and seriously makes me think half the people on here are brain dead. it just isn't going to happen. let's all agree to move on. deal?
i'd be okay with dropping basketball forever if it meant a single national football title and 8-11 win seasons for as long as i'm alive.
can we, as a board, agree to just end the pearl talk now and forever. it is not ever, ever, ever going to happen and seriously makes me think half the people on here are brain dead. it just isn't going to happen. let's all agree to move on. deal?looks like we have another commitment to #teamclownsuit
can we, as a board, agree to just end the pearl talk now and forever. it is not ever, ever, ever going to happen and seriously makes me think half the people on here are brain dead. it just isn't going to happen. let's all agree to move on. deal?
I think the notion that you have to choose between success in basketball and football is incredibly idiotic.
can we, as a board, agree to just end the pearl talk now and forever. it is not ever, ever, ever going to happen and seriously makes me think half the people on here are brain dead. it just isn't going to happen. let's all agree to move on. deal?I hope you don't have your lips to god's ear
Sean Miller wanted to coach the cats you guise!
yeah. basketball is gravy baby.I think the notion that you have to choose between success in basketball and football is incredibly idiotic.
absolutely it is. but that's not what this thread is about. it's about letting john currie have a pass if he doesn't have basketball success (if he has football success). he's free to go ahead and have basketball success anyway. hell, I'd prefer it!
yeah. basketball is gravy baby.I think the notion that you have to choose between success in basketball and football is incredibly idiotic.
absolutely it is. but that's not what this thread is about. it's about letting john currie have a pass if he doesn't have basketball success (if he has football success). he's free to go ahead and have basketball success anyway. hell, I'd prefer it!
yeah. basketball is gravy baby.I think the notion that you have to choose between success in basketball and football is incredibly idiotic.
absolutely it is. but that's not what this thread is about. it's about letting john currie have a pass if he doesn't have basketball success (if he has football success). he's free to go ahead and have basketball success anyway. hell, I'd prefer it!
Looks like dlew just stumbled upon the next Athletic Department gimmick to get people into the Bram. Gravy! Will it be as popular as bacon? Who knows??? Rumor has that the entire season has a breakfast theme, but haven't confirmed this.
yeah. basketball is gravy baby.I think the notion that you have to choose between success in basketball and football is incredibly idiotic.
absolutely it is. but that's not what this thread is about. it's about letting john currie have a pass if he doesn't have basketball success (if he has football success). he's free to go ahead and have basketball success anyway. hell, I'd prefer it!
Looks like dlew just stumbled upon the next Athletic Department gimmick to get people into the Bram. Gravy! Will it be as popular as bacon? Who knows??? Rumor has that the entire season has a breakfast theme, but haven't confirmed this.
hasbrowns! :love:
I hope this rumor about miller gets back to miller today. I mean, I don't know the guy, but I bet he can use a super good laugh during what has to be a stressful time of year for him.
should there be biscuits involved with this promotion or just heaps of gravy for all those rabid cats fans? either way, yyyyyyyummmy!yeah. basketball is gravy baby.I think the notion that you have to choose between success in basketball and football is incredibly idiotic.
absolutely it is. but that's not what this thread is about. it's about letting john currie have a pass if he doesn't have basketball success (if he has football success). he's free to go ahead and have basketball success anyway. hell, I'd prefer it!
Looks like dlew just stumbled upon the next Athletic Department gimmick to get people into the Bram. Gravy! Will it be as popular as bacon? Who knows??? Rumor has that the entire season has a breakfast theme, but haven't confirmed this.
should there be biscuits involved with this promotion or just heaps of gravy for all those rabid cats fans? either way, yyyyyyyummmy!
k-state hoops serves up another masterpiece. bon appetit!
I think the notion that you have to choose between success in basketball and football is incredibly idiotic.
football is dead when Snyder is gone. but I am glad we'll have nice stuff.
I think the notion that you have to choose between success in basketball and football is incredibly idiotic.
Totally agree.
And looking at this like a business football is most important. But having a successful basketball program can bring in a significant amount of money in revenue, as well as be important in intangible ways- alumni $, recruiting, etc. KU football looses their school $5 million a year, but because of basketball and alumni they manage to make some pocket change.
You have to want to diversify your programs. Those schools that hang their hat only on football and aren't Alabama, UT, OSU, or Oklahoma really hurt $ when their football team doesn't perform. And by the way of those 4 teams mentioned, 3 have good basketball teams.
It shouldn't be that hard to put together a good basketball team. More games & more cupcakes should easily yield a high win %. All you have to do is recruit about 7 good players (not even that many a year) and coach them.
As the CEO of the athletics Currie is doing well right now. Last season all departments outperformed expectations. But one of the department heads looks like he will not be able to deliver. He needs to fix that, otherwise there is less wiggle room in the other departments for failure.
I understand why Currie will ignore basketball in lieu of football, but I'm not okay with it. It is incredibly lazy to hire a "yes man" as a coach. Your job as AD is to make the fans happy, and the best way to do that is to invest in all money making sports so that the teams will be good and the fans will enjoy it, and therefore put more money back into it. I absolutely hate that our players have to play in front of small crowds, but it's Currie's fault and no one else's. He knows what he did, and he knew at the time that this was not the best coach available that was willing to come to K-State.
or,
Our AD picked 2 years of Will Spradling over the most successful bball coach we've had in however long.
I understand why Currie will ignore basketball in lieu of football, but I'm not okay with it. It is incredibly lazy to hire a "yes man" as a coach. Your job as AD is to make the fans happy, and the best way to do that is to invest in all money making sports so that the teams will be good and the fans will enjoy it, and therefore put more money back into it. I absolutely hate that our players have to play in front of small crowds, but it's Currie's fault and no one else's. He knows what he did, and he knew at the time that this was not the best coach available that was willing to come to K-State.our tuck fan base loved the weber hire and there are a crap load more tucks than non tucks so by your definition he probably thinks he did a good job
I understand why Currie will ignore basketball in lieu of football, but I'm not okay with it. It is incredibly lazy to hire a "yes man" as a coach. Your job as AD is to make the fans happy, and the best way to do that is to invest in all money making sports so that the teams will be good and the fans will enjoy it, and therefore put more money back into it. I absolutely hate that our players have to play in front of small crowds, but it's Currie's fault and no one else's. He knows what he did, and he knew at the time that this was not the best coach available that was willing to come to K-State.our tuck fan base loved the weber hire and there are a crap load more tucks than non tucks so by your definition he probably thinks he did a good job
There are plenty of tucks that didn't like the Weber hire and still aren't on fully on board. I'm not sure with his personality that will ever happen, but if he manages to win games and make NCAAs he'll be fine.
The fiasco with Frank followed by hiring Weber is clearly the knock on Currie right now (and it should be), but he's done a lot of other things really well.
There are plenty of tucks that didn't like the Weber hire and still aren't on fully on board. I'm not sure with his personality that will ever happen, but if he manages to win games and make NCAAs he'll be fine.
The fiasco with Frank followed by hiring Weber is clearly the knock on Currie right now (and it should be), but he's done a lot of other things really well.
Probably would not have expanded BSFS w/o him, or given out bacon at a WBB game.
There are plenty of tucks that didn't like the Weber hire and still aren't on fully on board. I'm not sure with his personality that will ever happen, but if he manages to win games and make NCAAs he'll be fine.
The fiasco with Frank followed by hiring Weber is clearly the knock on Currie right now (and it should be), but he's done a lot of other things really well.
Probably would not have expanded BSFS w/o him, or given out bacon at a WBB game.
Pretty sure he had nothing (or little) to do with the bacon.
There are plenty of tucks that didn't like the Weber hire and still aren't on fully on board. I'm not sure with his personality that will ever happen, but if he manages to win games and make NCAAs he'll be fine.
The fiasco with Frank followed by hiring Weber is clearly the knock on Currie right now (and it should be), but he's done a lot of other things really well.
I didn't like the Weber hire but he's doing the right things with football. Obviously the hire to replace Snyder is going to be key. So far he's putting the right things in place to help him bring in a quality replacement.
It doesn't have to be football only but I think success is football is most important and will help the entire athletic department. Football is going to drive the bus for KSU and 90% of BCS schools. KU is unique in that bball is tops, but look what that does to the football program. It's much much easier to be good at both when football is your main sport and nearly impossible to do consistently when bball is most important.
The AD is built to support all the sports, not just Football. Football doesn't take up all of it's available attention. If you leave a rev source unattended, well that is just stupid. Even worse when you have a rev source running on all cylinders and abandon it.
It seems that all of you FB only guys are agreeing that our AD is stupid and lazy and leaving money on the table.
The AD is built to support all the sports, not just Football. Football doesn't take up all of it's available attention. If you leave a rev source unattended, well that is just stupid. Even worse when you have a rev source running on all cylinders and abandon it.
It seems that all of you FB only guys are agreeing that our AD is stupid and lazy and leaving money on the table.
Fundraising, tho. Yeah, he should support all sports. And I'm sure he does. But, logically, he has to prioritize sports in terms of fundraising. As they say, you don't want to go to the well once too often. We've got money to be spent on facilities/coaches/advertising, etc. and it would appear that basketball will, necessarily, take a back seat for the foreseeable future if this Vanier2.0 jazz is legit.
Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...
There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to. The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog. Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.
:th_twocents:
Who were the other names?
Jamie Dixon and Sean Miller
The fiasco with Frank followed by hiring Weber is clearly the knock on Currie right now.
The fiasco with Frank followed by hiring Weber is clearly the knock on Currie right now.
he should be fired (should have been fired) on the spot for martin. i don't think weber was a poor hire, given the circumstances. like, 9 out of 10 hires he could have made would have been worse.
@KWCHJennNow we know where all of our "saved" money is going :rolleyes:
#KState announces contract extension for AD John Currie. One year added giving him a contract through 2019. Adding $100 k to salary
Andy Staples ?@Andy_Staples 13m
They seem certain his fundraising injury will heal RT @Jake_Trotter: K-State has signed AD John Currie to a contract extension through 2019.
is this a Kobe joke?QuoteAndy Staples ?@Andy_Staples 13m
They seem certain his fundraising injury will heal RT @Jake_Trotter: K-State has signed AD John Currie to a contract extension through 2019.
Jfc
is this a Kobe joke?QuoteAndy Staples ?@Andy_Staples 13m
They seem certain his fundraising injury will heal RT @Jake_Trotter: K-State has signed AD John Currie to a contract extension through 2019.
No. He has a wrist injury/repetitive injury thing on his check signing hand. I asked him what happened and he called it a fundraising injury. Take that for what it is worth.
Not going to get into the Currie debate, but would someone please go tell the Wabash Tucks in the Currie thread that the K-State athletic department is absolutely NOT counting money given specifically towards capital projects as operating revenue.
In FY 2013 if K-State HAD counted money given towards WSC/BTF as well as the cash proceeds from donated securities, than K-State's operating revenue would have been reported as $20 million dollars higher than it was.
who cares about 2019 and 100K? not me.
I found his original contract. In it, anytime a head coach got a performance based bonus Currie also got a bonus that's 75% of the HC's bonus. He could earn total bonuses up to 75% on his base pay per year.
Don't look now but John Currie is the 2nd highest paid public employee in the state of Kansas.
Don't look now but John Currie is the 2nd highest paid public employee in the state of Kansas.
You sure about that with Bill Self and LHC Bill Snyder?
Don't look now but John Currie is the 2nd highest paid public employee in the state of Kansas.
You sure about that with Bill Self and LHC Bill Snyder?
Gregg Marshall is making over 2mil with bonuses.
Don't look now but John Currie is the 2nd highest paid public employee in the state of Kansas.
Don't look now but John Currie is the 2nd highest paid public employee in the state of Kansas.
Yeah, this definitely isn't true. ...right?? :dunno:
http://www.kansasopengov.org/StateGovernment/SGPayGrid/tabid/1553/Default.aspx
http://www.kansasopengov.org/StateGovernment/SGPayGrid/tabid/1553/Default.aspx
http://www.kansasopengov.org/StateGovernment/SGPayGrid/tabid/1553/Default.aspx
interesting if true.
http://www.kansasopengov.org/StateGovernment/SGPayGrid/tabid/1553/Default.aspx
interesting if true.
Goodness, look at our guy Zulu raking it in.
:kstategrad: success story
What kind of assistant professor makes $421K ? :surprised:
:kstategrad: success story
:kstategrad: success story
Great to see a total stud K-Stater just bossing around the second highest salary of any Kansas employee and more that both University presidents!
Grats' Cheyenne.
Holy overpaid pieces of crap, did not know professors brought in 220k, is that normal or are all those med- profs?
Holy overpaid pieces of crap, did not know professors brought in 220k, is that normal or are all those med- profs?
only complete losers think other people in different professions are overpaid. get a life gatoveintisiete.
Holy overpaid pieces of crap, did not know professors brought in 220k, is that normal or are all those med- profs?
Just goes to show that nothing beats pedigree when it comes to making sick jack.
Well done K-State alum and one of my fraternity brothers, a guy who bleeds purple, Sheahon Zenger.
Just goes to show that nothing beats pedigree when it comes to making sick jack.
Well done K-State alum and one of my fraternity brothers, a guy who bleeds purple, Sheahon Zenger.
What do you think Cheyenne spends all his money on?
Professorial compensation varies widely by discipline. I know like starting level Arts and Sciences or Business professors making 30-60k, and I was surprised to know that all of my engineering professors pull in 6 figures+.Holy overpaid pieces of crap, did not know professors brought in 220k, is that normal or are all those med- profs?
only complete losers think other people in different professions are overpaid. get a life gatoveintisiete.
Except for the President. way overpaid
Professorial compensation varies widely by discipline. I know like starting level Arts and Sciences or Business professors making 30-60k, and I was surprised to know that all of my engineering professors pull in 6 figures+.Holy overpaid pieces of crap, did not know professors brought in 220k, is that normal or are all those med- profs?
only complete losers think other people in different professions are overpaid. get a life gatoveintisiete.
Except for the President. way overpaid
Heres one for a good smile: http://www.kansasopengov.org/StateGovernment/SGPayGrid/tabid/1553/Default.aspx (http://www.kansasopengov.org/StateGovernment/SGPayGrid/tabid/1553/Default.aspx)
Professorial compensation varies widely by discipline. I know like starting level Arts and Sciences or Business professors making 30-60k, and I was surprised to know that all of my engineering professors pull in 6 figures+.Holy overpaid pieces of crap, did not know professors brought in 220k, is that normal or are all those med- profs?
only complete losers think other people in different professions are overpaid. get a life gatoveintisiete.
Except for the President. way overpaid
Heres one for a good smile: http://www.kansasopengov.org/StateGovernment/SGPayGrid/tabid/1553/Default.aspx (http://www.kansasopengov.org/StateGovernment/SGPayGrid/tabid/1553/Default.aspx)
I meant Obama
Holy cow Bosco is underpaid. That's kind of a shocking figure. He makes mad stacks with his consulting biz, tho.
I was trying to link to this:
Year FirstName LastName Agency Position TotalPay
2012 Pat J Bosco Kansas State University Vice President 193930.1
Its awesome Pat Bosco pulls in almost 200k for a job that i'm not even entirely sure what it is.
Holy cow Bosco is underpaid. That's kind of a shocking figure. He makes mad stacks with his consulting biz, tho.
Is Bosco dollar for dollar the biggest stud ever employed by the state of Kansas?
His job is to increase enrollment and make student life great. Yeah, I'd say he's whipping ass at his job.