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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on November 13, 2013, 09:28:32 PM
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1st Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 30 0.99 48.0% 19.9% 28.6% 36.0%
Opp 30 0.89 29.2% 16.6% 27.8% 62.5%
2nd Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 33 1.26 64.3% 18.4% 23.1% 100.0%
Opp 33 1.11 48.1% 12.3% 31.3% 57.7%
Total Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 63 1.12 55.4% 19.0% 25.9% 65.2%
Opp 63 1.00 39.0% 14.2% 29.4% 60.0%
Foster will have to carry this team, unless Shane surprises me and shows he can play as a leader. Or play as he considers himself, "the best player on the team."
Will is going to play, and if that must happen the biggest key to this team is a decent amount of solid minutes from Johnson at PG. Will helps much more playing off the ball.
DJamer is a surprise, it will be nice to get Gip back. I mean, Jack...
Nino was much more like the Nino I remember from last year.
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100% FTR? For reals?
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i like foster, but he's not capable of carrying the team. pray for thomas.
those oboard and to numbers are not attractive.
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Very little intensity.
Foster is good but will get eaten alive if he is the other teams primary focus come conf time. We are going to have to grow by leaps and bounds to not finish bottom three in conf.
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i like foster, but he's not capable of carrying the team. pray for thomas.
those oboard and to numbers are not attractive.
Yeah, that's probably true. But I'm not sure anyone else can. Leaned up Gip better be good.
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1st Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 30 0.99 48.0% 19.9% 28.6% 36.0%
Opp 30 0.89 29.2% 16.6% 27.8% 62.5%
2nd Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 33 1.26 64.3% 18.4% 23.1% 100.0%
Opp 33 1.11 48.1% 12.3% 31.3% 57.7%
Total Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 63 1.12 55.4% 19.0% 25.9% 65.2%
Opp 63 1.00 39.0% 14.2% 29.4% 60.0%
Foster will have to carry this team, unless Shane surprises me and shows he can play as a leader. Or play as he considers himself, "the best player on the team."
Will is going to play, and if that must happen the biggest key to this team is a decent amount of solid minutes from Johnson at PG. Will helps much more playing off the ball.
DJamer is a surprise, it will be nice to get Gip back. I mean, Jack...
Nino was much more like the Nino I remember from last year.
Can you break this down between frank's guys and oscar's guys?
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1st Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 30 0.99 48.0% 19.9% 28.6% 36.0%
Opp 30 0.89 29.2% 16.6% 27.8% 62.5%
2nd Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 33 1.26 64.3% 18.4% 23.1% 100.0%
Opp 33 1.11 48.1% 12.3% 31.3% 57.7%
Total Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 63 1.12 55.4% 19.0% 25.9% 65.2%
Opp 63 1.00 39.0% 14.2% 29.4% 60.0%
Foster will have to carry this team, unless Shane surprises me and shows he can play as a leader. Or play as he considers himself, "the best player on the team."
Will is going to play, and if that must happen the biggest key to this team is a decent amount of solid minutes from Johnson at PG. Will helps much more playing off the ball.
DJamer is a surprise, it will be nice to get Gip back. I mean, Jack...
Nino was much more like the Nino I remember from last year.
Can you break this down between frank's guys and oscar's guys?
Not really, but I'll link the ADV box score from statsheet when its up.
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Foster is very smooth. Definitely a future All conference guy. His turnovers were a little alarming.
There's some talent but this year really does remind me of Wooly. We have no identity or ability to assert one. When we play the good teams on our schedule they'll dictate everything and only horrible performances by the other team (a la @KU 06) will yield wins. Sys said 17 wins in chat. That seems about right, maybe even generous.
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Seems like of our TOs were self inflicted and can be cleaned up.
The new "every time the guy with the ball runs into someone its a foul on the guy who got run into" does not seem to lend itself well to this team. Neither does the associated increase in ftr for the game.
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Foster will have to carry this team, unless Shane surprises me and shows he can play as a leader. Or play as he considers himself, "the best player on the team."
Will is going to play, and if that must happen the biggest key to this team is a decent amount of solid minutes from Johnson at PG. Will helps much more playing off the ball.
DJamer is a surprise, it will be nice to get Gip back. I mean, Jack...
Nino was much more like the Nino I remember from last year.
:goodbyecruelworld:
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I say Carlton starts the Gonzaga game. What say you
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First 9 minutes = 1-8FG, 4 TOs, 4 pts
** Very hard to watch the beginning of this game. Very hard
Middle 20 minutes = 19-28FG, 3 TOs, 50 pts
** This 20 minute stretch, those are very good numbers for last year's team vs a team like ORU
Final 11 minutes = 3-10FG, 5 TOs, 17 pts.
** Went into a funk after Shane hit his 3 (5 pts in 7 minutes). Foster hit 3 and had dunk and we hit 7/10 FTs to close it out
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Vulture with some first half minutes :peek:
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Vulture with some first half minutes :peek:
POINT PROVEN :bball:
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Foster is going to be a stud. I like him a lot.
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hope implies anticipation. no need to modify it with future.
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_FAN, how many minutes do you think Will is going to get once Jevon is eligible?
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_FAN, how many minutes do you think Will is going to get once Jevon is eligible?
~30
Also, pictorial stats thingy and the play hard chart from @kstatesports!
K-State Athletics ?@kstatesports 7h
All you need to know about the 71-63 victory by the #KStateMBB team against Oral Roberts tonight. pic.twitter.com/Pv3Kcj8Dua
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZAaFwXCYAAwyUY.jpg:large)
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when did @kstatesports start making gifs? thought that was cool.
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when did @kstatesports start making gifs? thought that was cool.
I like it too, I wished they used different stats, but it's a good concept.
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when did @kstatesports start making gifs? thought that was cool.
I like it too, I wished they used different stats, but it's a good concept.
Steal the concept and put in the stats.
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good news is LBS runs a 3 guard line up similar to oscar, bad news is our line up sucks
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_FAN, how many minutes do you think Will is going to get once Jevon is eligible?
When Jevon because eligible he will push will to the 2.
1. Jevon
2. Will <--- a better position for him (The best thing he does is being a ball mover)
3. Marcus
4. Shane <--- a better position for him
5. Gip
Jevon will mostly like be guarded by the opposing teams best defender.
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_FAN, how many minutes do you think Will is going to get once Jevon is eligible?
When Jevon because eligible he will push will to the 2.
1. Jevon
2. Will <--- a better position for him (The best thing he does is being a ball mover)
3. Marcus
4. Shane <--- a better position for him
5. Gip
Jevon will mostly like be guarded by the opposing teams best defender.
Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it.
Then DJamer and Westicles first off the bench. Johnson will probably be in the mix as well because it will take Thomas some time to get acclimated.
Again, until Thomas is available I think Johnson is a pretty key player for this team. Last night's run started mainly because Foster started going off, but it also coincided with Johnson coming in to play PG.
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Current individual ADV stats for the Cats: http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pi/shareit/M29q3 (sortable; click the header for each column)
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Will helps much more playing off the ball.
:dubious:
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_FAN, how many minutes do you think Will is going to get once Jevon is eligible?
When Jevon because eligible he will push will to the 2.
1. Jevon
2. Will <--- a better position for him (The best thing he does is being a ball mover)
3. Marcus
4. Shane <--- a better position for him
5. Gip
Jevon will mostly like be guarded by the opposing teams best defender.
Yeah. I wish we had another legitimate 3 so foster could stick to the two and Westicles could be our 3. Will should be off the bench with the above others in the line up.
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_FAN, how many minutes do you think Will is going to get once Jevon is eligible?
~30
Also, pictorial stats thingy and the play hard chart from @kstatesports!
K-State Athletics ?@kstatesports 7h
All you need to know about the 71-63 victory by the #KStateMBB team against Oral Roberts tonight. pic.twitter.com/Pv3Kcj8Dua
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZAaFwXCYAAwyUY.jpg:large)
So the 10 minute mark is when Will came out of the game in the first half, right?
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Will helps much more playing off the ball.
:dubious:
I'm not trying to convince anyone that Will is a great player, but its pretty clear a) he's going to play ~30 MPG and b) he and the team is much better when he's not playing PG.
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Current individual ADV stats for the Cats: http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pi/shareit/M29q3 (sortable; click the header for each column)
That thing thinks Westicles is the greatest player ever.
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Current individual ADV stats for the Cats: http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pi/shareit/M29q3 (sortable; click the header for each column)
That thing thinks Westicles is the greatest player ever.
To bad he isn't a good jump shooter. Will stats are inflated from late game free throws. .285 eFG% :sdeek:
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iwu is pretty good
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Peggy Po:
Shane didn't have to try to run point for an extended period!
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Peggy Po:
Shane didn't have to try to run point for an extended period!
I'd rather have Shane running PG than the other SR.
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Will helps much more playing off the ball.
:dubious:
I'm not trying to convince anyone that Will is a great player, but its pretty clear a) he's going to play ~30 MPG and b) he and the team is much better when he's not playing PG.
I think Will is equally terrible off the ball as he is at the point.
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Will has been completely shut down with the exception of free throws for two games against extremely low competition. Anyone believing that he can contribute anything much more than that one walk on, who's name starts with an R that I refuse to learn, is crazy. Will grew up under a tyrant. Will started play in college under a tyrant. Ppl that are used to being functional under a tyrant don't know what to do with themselves when the tyrant is removed. Especially not one or two years removed.
His career is over. Unfortunately for all of us, and anyone who holds Purple Cat U dear, he just doesn't know it yet.
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Will has been completely shut down
That implies defenses have to actively do something to stop Spradling from scoring.
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Will has been completely shut down
That implies defenses have to actively do something to stop Spradling from scoring.
I meant that he doesn't seem to even try to get a shot. Everyone wants this guy as our shooting guard but he doesn't even look for baskets. He some how thinks that if he just dribbles 1/4 of the way in and hooks out and passes it to the first guy on the perimeter that is near him, that he is doing well. I am all for penetration, but he doesn't hardly think of daring to create anything inside off of said penetration. Also, anyone we play, basically at any time they want, will be able to keep him from getting penetration.
If I was an opposing team, I would treat Will like some teams treated Dom his last year. Sag off him half way to the basket and basically play 1 man zone while the other four guys guarded the rest of the team. I would gladly let Will have at it to try to beat my team while I did my best to control literally everyone else that could possibly be substituted in at any other position for KSU.
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Everyone wants this guy as our shooting guard
Uh, come again?
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Everyone wants this guy as our shooting guard
Uh, come again?
Lots of ppl saying Will needs to be the 2. Not #BID'ers.
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Everyone wants this guy as our shooting guard
Uh, come again?
you're really trying way too hard. it's very simple, we're all mad about oscar. no one on the board is happy.
but you're just coming off like the 4 year old in the high chair at the restaurant screaming his head off with green snot coming out of his nose. i picture this when i read every one of your posts. i hope that helps.
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but you're just coming off like the 4 year old in the high chair at the restaurant screaming his head off
Good. That's what this board needs. You people have grown complacent. I blame Snyder.
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but you're just coming off like the 4 year old in the high chair at the restaurant screaming his head off
Good. That's what this board needs. You people have grown complacent. I blame Snyder.
Go get 'em!
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but you're just coming off like the 4 year old in the high chair at the restaurant screaming his head off
Good. That's what this board needs. You people have grown complacent. I blame Snyder.
Go get 'em!
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Will has been completely shut down with the exception of free throws for two games against extremely low competition. Anyone believing that he can contribute anything much more than that one walk on, who's name starts with an R that I refuse to learn, is crazy.
He contributed versus Florida last season. Many a gE face was mushed that night. You're just begging for him to mush mush mush you right up CNS. He's going to push into your face solidly with a good depth and then drag his hand down it just a tad above slowly is my guess.
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Will has been completely shut down with the exception of free throws for two games against extremely low competition. Anyone believing that he can contribute anything much more than that one walk on, who's name starts with an R that I refuse to learn, is crazy.
He contributed versus Florida last season. Many a gE face was mushed that night. You're just begging for him to mush mush mush you right up CNS. He's going to push into your face solidly with a good depth and then drag his hand down it just a tad above slowly is my guess.
True, he played solid most of the Big 12 last year really.
Will is just the type of player that when he plays well you really don't (or shouldn't) notice him, but when he struggles it stands out. What fans need is games where Will isn't really noticed because he does simple things; solid defense, hits open shots, moves the ball, and gets a few assists. Plus the players around him have to play well because he's not going to carry a team like Rodney or Jake. The problem is he's now a SR and after being pretty much the same player his first 3 years (and not becoming a great shooter) there are expectations for him to be more than that. Regardless, coaches seem trust him immensely (both Frank and oscar) and he's going to play 25-30 minutes per game, to me as a Cat fan that's just the reality of the Will situation.
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Will has been completely shut down with the exception of free throws for two games against extremely low competition. Anyone believing that he can contribute anything much more than that one walk on, who's name starts with an R that I refuse to learn, is crazy.
He contributed versus Florida last season. Many a gE face was mushed that night. You're just begging for him to mush mush mush you right up CNS. He's going to push into your face solidly with a good depth and then drag his hand down it just a tad above slowly is my guess.
True, he played solid most of the Big 12 last year really.
Will is just the type of player that when he plays well you really don't (or shouldn't) notice him, but when he struggles it stands out. What fans need is games where Will isn't really noticed because he does simple things; solid defense, hits open shots, moves the ball, and gets a few assists. Plus the players around him have to play well because he's not going to carry a team like Rodney or Jake. The problem is he's now a SR and after being pretty much the same player his first 3 years (and not becoming a great shooter) there are expectations for him to be more than that. Regardless, coaches seem trust him immensely (both Frank and oscar) and he's going to play 25-30 minutes per game, to me as a Cat fan that's just the reality of the Will situation.
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Will has been completely shut down with the exception of free throws for two games against extremely low competition. Anyone believing that he can contribute anything much more than that one walk on, who's name starts with an R that I refuse to learn, is crazy.
He contributed versus Florida last season. Many a gE face was mushed that night. You're just begging for him to mush mush mush you right up CNS. He's going to push into your face solidly with a good depth and then drag his hand down it just a tad above slowly is my guess.
I would love it
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according to every anti-frankite out there, frank ruined will by looking at him angrily and saying mean things.
so if senior will, after two years of no frank and nothing but oscar, oscar, oscar, is no better than sophomore will under frank then just what in the world does that mean?
shouldn't he blossom under a better coach that doesn't pressure him and makes him feel more comfortable and as a senior?
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Rick, did you see my post earlier about playing under a tyrant?
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Rick, did you see my post earlier about playing under a tyrant?
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no. i bet i would like it though.
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Guys if we are not going to be any good I just want to play DOB type players to at least make this year not a total waste
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Guys if we are not going to be any good I just want to play DOB type players to at least make this year not a total waste
This year is a waste if we even sniff .500+.
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Guys if we are not going to be any good I just want to play DOB type players to at least make this year not a total waste
This year is a waste if we even sniff .500+.
koug deserves credit for being one of the only (maybe the only) true #BIDers on gE (or anywhere). At least the most outspoken and consistent.
Any success for this team does the #BID movement no good whatsoever. Even worse if Foster is our best player, and really bad if Foster and Thomas are the two best players. Its plausible that 3 or 4 of the 5 best players on this team will be Weber recruits which pretty much destroys any sort of quick turnaround, barring some sort of Weber scandal. If this team even makes the NIT with Weber recruits being the majority of the better players, K-State is likely looking at 3 more years of #bruceketball at a minimum.
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we're making the tournament
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according to every anti-frankite out there, frank ruined will by looking at him angrily and saying mean things.
so if senior will, after two years of no frank and nothing but oscar, oscar, oscar, is no better than sophomore will under frank then just what in the world does that mean?
shouldn't he blossom under a better coach that doesn't pressure him and makes him feel more comfortable and as a senior?
I don't think will was ever going to be a good b12 player but there's no doubt that he lost any confidence he had while playing for frank, not everyone can recover that. will hasn't
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we're making the tournament
This.
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The Puerto Rico tournament.
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Regardless, coaches seem trust him immensely (both Frank and oscar) and he's going to play 25-30 minutes per game, to me as a Cat fan that's just the reality of the Will situation.
Replace "both Frank and oscar" and "Will situation" with "Snyder" and "Coffman", and I feel like I'm in a time warp.
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according to every anti-frankite out there, frank ruined will by looking at him angrily and saying mean things.
so if senior will, after two years of no frank and nothing but oscar, oscar, oscar, is no better than sophomore will under frank then just what in the world does that mean?
shouldn't he blossom under a better coach that doesn't pressure him and makes him feel more comfortable and as a senior?
I don't think will was ever going to be a good b12 player but there's no doubt that he lost any confidence he had while playing for frank, not everyone can recover that. will hasn't
but if he is two years removed from frank and he is a senior and he is still no better than he was as a sophomore under frank, then maybe frank wasn't really that bad afterall at the whole coaching thing? possible.
i think some people thought he would sail and start poppin and boppin without frank beating him down. he hasn't. too early this year to really tell, but it looks like he might have regressed. maybe he really did need frank or his dad yelling at him after all. some people just aren't tough enough to do it on their own.
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K-State is likely looking at 3 more years of #bruceketball at a minimum.
weber is going to retire here. i've assumed that since the day he was hired.
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Guys if we are not going to be any good I just want to play DOB type players to at least make this year not a total waste
This year is a waste if we even sniff .500+.
koug deserves credit for being one of the only (maybe the only) true #BIDers on gE (or anywhere). At least the most outspoken and consistent.
Any success for this team does the #BID movement no good whatsoever. Even worse if Foster is our best player, and really bad if Foster and Thomas are the two best players. Its plausible that 3 or 4 of the 5 best players on this team will be Weber recruits which pretty much destroys any sort of quick turnaround, barring some sort of Weber scandal. If this team even makes the NIT with Weber recruits being the majority of the better players, K-State is likely looking at 3 more years of #bruceketball at a minimum.
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