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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Pete on October 12, 2013, 05:51:22 PM
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What a rough ridin' idiot.
:buh-bye:
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Let him throw!
--Big 12 opponents
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very disappointing for team sams.
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Yea, that was very sad. Just a terrible decision.
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Why was he throwing with 4 minutes left? He was shivung it up their ass (again) and with plenty of time (again) they have him throw unnecessarily (again). This staff does not learn how to put its players in a position to be sucessful.
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We need him to stop playing QB. He needs to switch to DB to fix that ATROCIOUS secondary.. Or WR. Because he is an AWFUL quarterback. Great GREAT athlete who can run and wiggle. As hard as it is for me to admit it because I would love for him to be our qb. The guy just sucks at playing QB. My little sister has a stronger arm than sams
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He had 240 yards and scored 3 touchdowns.
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He cant throw.
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Dumbest thread in history
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neither can the other quarterback.
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He cant throw.
He doesn't need to.
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I think the snap to the non-existent punter still wins in the dumb play category.
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The play call? Maybe? To put this loss on Sams is really stupid.
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The play call? Maybe? To put this loss on Sams is really stupid.
I think everyone knows bill got out coached, again.
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I like Daniel a lot.
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I think this is an idiotic point. Dumbest play in KSU history? Come on. Sams blew it at the end, no doubt. I still say he's the guy. Have you not watched any defensive plays with our DBs lined up 12 yards off the line of scrimmage? How about that same cushion where the got burned for a 90+ yard TD?
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The play call? Maybe? To put this loss on Sams is really stupid.
I think everyone knows bill got out coached, again.
What was the play call? I thought he was trying to throw it away at the end of a busted play or make a last ditch pass attempt on the sideline.
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I like Daniel a lot.
Yes, he mostly whipped ass again today. Almost single handily kept us in this one.
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I like Daniel a lot.
Yes, he mostly whipped ass again today. Almost single handily kept us in this one.
It's amazing to me that people don't see this.
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The play call? Maybe? To put this loss on Sams is really stupid.
I think everyone knows bill got out coached, again.
What was the play call? I thought he was trying to throw it away at the end of a busted play or make a last ditch pass attempt on the sideline.
He was definitely trying to complete a pass there. He doesn't have presence at the end of games when we are trailing with no timeouts. Most QBs don't. The key is not putting ourselves in those situations in the first place.
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I like Daniel a lot.
Yes, he mostly whipped ass again today. Almost single handily kept us in this one.
It's amazing to me that people don't see this.
We.concluded that our fans are dumb last week.
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I like Daniel a lot.
Yes, he mostly whipped ass again today. Almost single handily kept us in this one.
It's amazing to me that people don't see this.
We.concluded that our fans are dumb last week.
That's a sad conclusion. :frown:
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I like Daniel a lot.
Yes, he mostly whipped ass again today. Almost single handily kept us in this one.
It's amazing to me that people don't see this.
People want to think Snyder was right by not playing Sams enough. Now that it's obvious that it was a terrible decision, they run down Sams in order to convince themselves Snyder did not make a mistake.
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Sams played great except for that one stupid decision. He'll be fine.
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Sams played great except for that one stupid decision. He'll be fine.
Sams will make stupid plays even when he improves to Ell/Bishop levels. That's what happens when you have players with talent that are capable of making great things happen. CK didn't because he was more of a control the game, move the chains and don't do anything stupid kind of player.
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It wasn't nearly as bad as OK State. That Baylor dude made an amazing play. Big improvement by Sams!
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Probably needed some chances in pud games to throw more so that he would be ready when we were playing real teams.
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I like Daniel a lot.
Yes, he mostly whipped ass again today. Almost single handily kept us in this one.
It's amazing to me that people don't see this.
He and Mueller
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I like Daniel a lot.
Yes, he mostly whipped ass again today. Almost single handily kept us in this one.
It's amazing to me that people don't see this.
He and Mueller
Irony, right? From two very different sides of K-State fans.
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I like Daniel a lot.
Yes, he mostly whipped ass again today. Almost single handily kept us in this one.
It's amazing to me that people don't see this.
He and Mueller
Irony, right? From two very different sides of K-State fans.
Just because some dork on GPC made a post Trim cut/paste about Mueller doesn't mean they have the corner on being a fan of his. I've like Mueller since last year.
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Yeah, goEMAW has been all over mueller from day one.
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I like Daniel a lot.
Yes, he mostly whipped ass again today. Almost single handily kept us in this one.
It's amazing to me that people don't see this.
I hope you aren't speaking of me.
My post was merely about the historically bad decision made by Sams at that point in a close America at that field position, on that down and distance.
He undid the good he did.
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I like Daniel a lot.
Yes, he mostly whipped ass again today. Almost single handily kept us in this one.
It's amazing to me that people don't see this.
He and Mueller
Irony, right? From two very different sides of K-State fans.
Just because some dork on GPC made a post Trim cut/paste about Mueller doesn't mean they have the corner on being a fan of his. I've like Mueller since last year.
Even if it was a "one time" thing doesn't mean goEMAW tends to go the opposite of GPC without realizing it is also stupid. Our fans should be above judging any player based on his skin color or where he comes from, period.
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Clearly Sams was the only reason we were "in" the game at all.
And, just as clearly, he single handedly blew it.
Sams is still the best choice for QB for this team.
Zacker's point that Sams shouldn't have been put in that position is probably the correct thing to take away from this going forward.
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He'll never be perfect Pete. He was very good today though. The best quarterbacking we have seen from anyone this year by far.
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Clearly Sams was the only reason we were "in" the game at all.
And, just as clearly, he single handedly blew it.
Sams is still the best choice for QB for this team.
Zacker's point that Sams shouldn't have been put in that position is probably the correct thing to take away from this going forward.
I agree. But I would also say Cantelli and Snyder blew it as well.
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Lots of plays lost this game. I didn't mind the play call on Sams interception, at some point he had to make the play or the correct decision. He'll get there, he made a lot of great plays today.
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He'll never be perfect Pete. He was very good today though. The best quarterbacking we have seen from anyone this year by far.
No duh
But he still single blew the game with a decision to throw into coverage on 2nd and 3.
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He'll never be perfect Pete. He was very good today though. The best quarterbacking we have seen from anyone this year by far.
Think what he will be able to do with a year under his belt and tlbl as a home run threat.
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He'll never be perfect Pete. He was very good today though. The best quarterbacking we have seen from anyone this year by far.
No duh
But he still single blew the game with a decision to throw into coverage on 2nd and 3.
I don't agree with that. There were a ton of bad plays from a ton of different players that could have swung the game in our favor. That was only one of them.
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I like how Pete called the game "a close America"
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He'll never be perfect Pete. He was very good today though. The best quarterbacking we have seen from anyone this year by far.
No duh
But he still single blew the game with a decision to throw into coverage on 2nd and 3.
I don't agree with that. There were a ton of bad plays from a ton of different players that could have swung the game in our favor. That was only one of them.
That's bullshit and you know it.
It's suppose to be a different mindset for the QB on the last drive of the game.
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We were losing so its not like he blew the game, throwing a pick that led to a game winning score or something.
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I remember a fumble in St Louis...
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I remember a fumble in St Louis...
This should be a banned topic.
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I remember a fumble in St Louis...
I was there.
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Lot of old guys outing themselves as super old grandpas.
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He'll never be perfect Pete. He was very good today though. The best quarterbacking we have seen from anyone this year by far.
No duh
But he still single blew the game with a decision to throw into coverage on 2nd and 3.
I don't agree with that. There were a ton of bad plays from a ton of different players that could have swung the game in our favor. That was only one of them.
That's bullshit and you know it.
It's suppose to be a different mindset for the QB on the last drive of the game.
It's not bullshit and I know it.
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Back then after a game did you guys write messages on a physical bulletin board in the dorm lobby or something as a way of discussing the play calls and stuff?
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Lots of plays lost this game. I didn't mind the play call on Sams interception, at some point he had to make the play or the correct decision. He'll get there, he made a lot of great plays today.
Well said
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There is part of me that appreciates that Sams has the confidence to think he can make those throws honestly.
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He'll never be perfect Pete. He was very good today though. The best quarterbacking we have seen from anyone this year by far.
No duh
But he still single blew the game with a decision to throw into coverage on 2nd and 3.
I don't agree with that. There were a ton of bad plays from a ton of different players that could have swung the game in our favor. That was only one of them.
That's bullshit and you know it.
It's suppose to be a different mindset for the QB on the last drive of the game.
It's not bullshit and I know it.
Ya, and the missed free throws at the beginning of the game are just as important as the one missed to send the game into overtime. Got it.
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Back then after a game did you guys write messages on a physical bulletin board in the dorm lobby or something as a way of discussing the play calls and stuff?
I started bbsing not long after the Alamo Bowl.
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Lots of plays lost this game. I didn't mind the play call on Sams interception, at some point he had to make the play or the correct decision. He'll get there, he made a lot of great plays today.
Well said
Spot on as usual
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There is part of me that appreciates that Sams has the confidence to think he can make those throws honestly.
the f'ing twinkle toes and high step are quite entertaining to me. and he cut down on the spin move.
he still looks slow(er). :frown:
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he looked considerably slower today.
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he looked considerably slower today.
a defensive tackle chased him down :frown:
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he looked like a QB who has been tasked with running the ball 57 times in the last two games
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he looked like a QB who has been tasked with running the ball 57 times in the last two games
He should have been tasked with it at least 58.
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I thought he was faster than any of you. You think you know more about football than LHC Bill Snyder?
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do you guys remember the part where he got the crap beat out of him so much that he had to go to the locker room and get lopak'd up? i quit chat at that point i think, the rest was just icing
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bish fumble
schwin pitch
ell 03 texas fumble
moriera muffed punt vs CU
our program is full of dumb plays.
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do you guys remember the part where he got the crap beat out of him so much that he had to go to the locker room and get lopak'd up? i quit chat at that point i think, the rest was just icing
Yea, it hurts my heart to know he's going to get sketti'd sooner than Klein.
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The play call? Maybe? To put this loss on Sams is really stupid.
I think everyone knows bill got out coached, again.
:lol: rough ridin', idiot
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i mean, one time we lined up for a punt without the punter and then snapped it sooooo
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do you guys remember the part where he got the crap beat out of him so much that he had to go to the locker room and get lopak'd up? i quit chat at that point i think, the rest was just icing
Yea, it hurts my heart to know he's going to get sketti'd sooner than Klein.
I think he got sketti'd in the first half...he plays great sketti'd
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do you guys remember the part where he got the crap beat out of him so much that he had to go to the locker room and get lopak'd up? i quit chat at that point i think, the rest was just icing
Yea, it hurts my heart to know he's going to get sketti'd sooner than Klein.
I think he got sketti'd in the first half...he plays great sketti'd
I'm talking about getting concussed here, I guess I thought that was clear.
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Zimmerman cost us the game when he bit on that underneath route for the 93 yard touchdown. crap his pants and cost us the game.
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Lots of plays lost this game. I didn't mind the play call on Sams interception, at some point he had to make the play or the correct decision. He'll get there, he made a lot of great plays today.
Well said
Spot on as usual
:thumbs:
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do you guys remember the part where he got the crap beat out of him so much that he had to go to the locker room and get lopak'd up? i quit chat at that point i think, the rest was just icing
Yea, it hurts my heart to know he's going to get sketti'd sooner than Klein.
I think he got sketti'd in the first half...he plays great sketti'd
I'm talking about getting concussed here, I guess I thought that was clear.
he got his bucket smacked had to the turf in the first half,got up and did some visor swipe move and acted weird for a bit...anybody else see that
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Dumbest thread in history
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Zimmerman cost us the game when he bit on that underneath route for the 93 yard touchdown. crap his pants and cost us the game.
A horrible play.
However, not nearly as egregious as throwing into a roll out interception on 2nd and 2ish, on the final drive of the game.
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Evans cost us the game when he hit that guy out of bounds.
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Zimmerman cost us the game when he bit on that underneath route for the 93 yard touchdown. crap his pants and cost us the game.
A horrible play.
However, not nearly as egregious as throwing into a roll out interception on 2nd and 2ish, on the final drive of the game.
why not?
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Zimmerman cost us the game when he bit on that underneath route for the 93 yard touchdown. crap his pants and cost us the game.
A horrible play.
However, not nearly as egregious as throwing into a roll out interception on 2nd and 2ish, on the final drive of the game.
why not?
DB's are the same to you as QB's?
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I don't understand all the negativity around here; didn't anybody enjoy this game up the final minutes of the game. I know I did. SAMS IS NOT SUPERMAN, ALTHOU THAT WOULD BE NICE.
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Zimmerman cost us the game when he bit on that underneath route for the 93 yard touchdown. crap his pants and cost us the game.
A horrible play.
However, not nearly as egregious as throwing into a roll out interception on 2nd and 2ish, on the final drive of the game.
why not?
DB's are the same to you as QB's?
no, in this case Zimmerman's mistake directly led to points, while Sams' didn't.
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Zimmerman cost us the game when he bit on that underneath route for the 93 yard touchdown. crap his pants and cost us the game.
A horrible play.
However, not nearly as egregious as throwing into a roll out interception on 2nd and 2ish, on the final drive of the game.
why not?
DB's are the same to you as QB's?
no, in this case Zimmerman's mistake directly led to points, while Sams' didn't.
The DB's obviously were burned several times badly, I won't argue with you about that.
But when a quarterback, with the opportunity of forethought and careful contemplation of down, distance, field position, game time, and score, fucks up that bad, it's truly special.
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what if tannehill wouldn't have been such a pussy and wouldve actually gone after the ball that sams threw?
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There is part of me that appreciates that Sams has the confidence to think he can make those throws honestly.
I can tell you are an awesome fan and probably good guy based off that statement.
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Why on earth couldn't Sams get a first down on that crucial 3rd & 2 on the missed field goal drive*??? :curse:
*Terrible decision
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i mean, did the long snapper (jeff mortimer) even look back? did he ever look back? or was he just like, "eh, he's probably back there." why didn't anyone call a time out?
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i mean, did the long snapper (jeff mortimer) even look back? did he ever look back? or was he just like, "eh, he's probably back there." why didn't anyone call a time out?
:confused:
You are right. Perspective. I'm just sad bro, you know? I'm just sad.
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we won a Dr. P last year and we're an average team this year, but that's ok because our heisman finalist left and so did our entire defense. the good news is that i think this team is getting better every week and that we've played our toughest games already.
i bet we win about 7 games this season. not bad!
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Zimmerman cost us the game when he bit on that underneath route for the 93 yard touchdown. crap his pants and cost us the game.
Point definitely made here. Zimms is a complete badass, our D would be about 2.34x worse without him (if you can imagine that), and yet he still makes horrible mistakes every once in a while.
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zimmerman has like, sucked this season
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zimmerman has like, sucked this season
No, he hasn't. He has made a completely inept, horrible secondary look serviceable for all of the games besides the UT game. Without him this D is exactly 2.34 times worse.
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no he's pretty much sucked actually.
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no he's pretty much sucked actually.
You could not be more wrong, and that is disappointing. I honestly thought you were better than that. Do you realize how many running plays, that were stopped for a couple of yards by Zimms, would have gone for TDs or huge gains without him? Watch the defense play once in a while instead of leaving to grab another Zima.
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A zima insult? I don't understand. Especially because you're the one defending zima, man. ;)
anyhow, maybe "sucked" was too harsh. but compared to where he's been the last few seasons (which was very very good) he's had a very pedestrian season. seems to have fallen victim to the k-state safety curse.
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what if tannehill wouldn't have been such a pussy and wouldve actually gone after the ball that sams threw?
:D
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zimmerman has like, sucked this season
No, he hasn't. He has made a completely inept, horrible secondary look serviceable for all of the games besides the UT game. Without him this D is exactly 2.34 times worse.
:D
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A zima insult? I don't understand. Especially because you're the one defending zima, man. ;)
anyhow, maybe "sucked" was too harsh. but compared to where he's been the last few seasons (which was very very good) he's had a very pedestrian season. seems to have fallen victim to the k-state safety curse.
I think the drop off you are seeing is the Arthur Brown effect. Without him a defense is exactly 3.7 times worse. A safety with complete dog crap corners and linebackers will always look worse than they really are. That is also why Dante Barnett is really a lot better than he has looked so far. He is going to be one of the best we have had by the time he leaves.
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A zima insult? I don't understand. Especially because you're the one defending zima, man. ;)
anyhow, maybe "sucked" was too harsh. but compared to where he's been the last few seasons (which was very very good) he's had a very pedestrian season. seems to have fallen victim to the k-state safety curse.
I think the drop off you are seeing is the Arthur Brown effect. Without him a defense is exactly 3.7 times worse. A safety with complete dog crap corners and linebackers will always look worse than they really are. That is also why Dante Barnett is really a lot better than he has looked so far. He is going to be one of the best we have had by the time he leaves.
:D
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it's ok to admit that zim has regressed.
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Except he hasn't. This is exactly what people were saying last year until we went into the Baylor game without him and everyone saw just how much he meant to the D. Without him today this game isn't even close.
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Except he hasn't. This is exactly what people were saying last year until we went into the Baylor game without him and everyone saw just how much he meant to the D. Without him today this game isn't even close.
yea, we might have beaten those Ducks if we just had him in full strength. :whistle1:
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HEY PETE THIS THREAD SUCKS
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Dumbest thread in history
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Except he hasn't. This is exactly what people were saying last year until we went into the Baylor game without him and everyone saw just how much he meant to the D. Without him today this game isn't even close.
yea, we might have beaten those Ducks if we just had him in full strength. :whistle1:
The people that think Zimmerman sucks are the same people that thought 2Y sucked, and Zimms is twice the safety that Tysyn was. Apparently these people know more about football than college and NFL coaches combined.
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HEY PETE THIS THREAD SUCKS
SHUT UP, YOU ARE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!
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HEY JEFF, YOUR CATEGORIES SUCK!
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:lol:
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Except he hasn't. This is exactly what people were saying last year until we went into the Baylor game without him and everyone saw just how much he meant to the D. Without him today this game isn't even close.
yea, we might have beaten those Ducks if we just had him in full strength. :whistle1:
The people that think Zimmerman sucks are the same people that thought 2Y sucked, and Zimms is twice the safety that Tysyn was. Apparently these people know more about football than college and NFL coaches combined.
Did you watch Darren Sproles #43 RB in '04, he didn't look that good either with the crappy offense around him that season.
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I don't understand all the negativity around here; didn't anybody enjoy this game up the final minutes of the game. I know I did. SAMS IS NOT SUPERMAN, ALTHOU THAT WOULD BE NICE.
:D
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The eff, Pete?
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The eff, Pete?
I'M PISSED ABOUT A SINGLE rough ridin' PLAY, NOT THAT HE PLAYS/STARTS, etc!
GOD DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Why is everyone afraid to acknowledge that Sams mumped up badly? All this pussy crap about how others mumped up too. When it comes down to the last drive the the game, that other crap doesn't matter. It's the QB.
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Sams bias
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The eff, Pete?
I'M PISSED ABOUT A SINGLE rough ridin' PLAY, NOT THAT HE PLAYS/STARTS, etc!
GOD DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Why is everyone afraid to acknowledge that Sams mumped up badly? All this pussy crap about how others mumped up too. When it comes down to the last drive the the game, that other crap doesn't matter. It's the QB.
you are right that he mumped up badly but you are wrong about the last drive being more important and nothing else mattering.
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it was a really bad play but did you forget about the punter not being there? the '01 ell pitch to nobody against ou? the dylan meier "where amazing happens" texas bowl pass and catch?
it was a bad play for sure but we've had lots of dumber plays.
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The eff, Pete?
I'M PISSED ABOUT A SINGLE rough ridin' PLAY, NOT THAT HE PLAYS/STARTS, etc!
GOD DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Why is everyone afraid to acknowledge that Sams mumped up badly? All this pussy crap about how others mumped up too. When it comes down to the last drive the the game, that other crap doesn't matter. It's the QB.
you are right that he mumped up badly but you are wrong about the last drive being more important and nothing else mattering.
Never said that nothing else mattered.
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The eff, Pete?
I'M PISSED ABOUT A SINGLE rough ridin' PLAY, NOT THAT HE PLAYS/STARTS, etc!
GOD DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Why is everyone afraid to acknowledge that Sams mumped up badly? All this pussy crap about how others mumped up too. When it comes down to the last drive the the game, that other crap doesn't matter. It's the QB.
You are right, Pete. He mumped up. But the reason I'm not upset is because he will get better and I never thought we had a chance in this game to begin with.
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it was a really bad play but did you forget about the punter not being there? the '01 ell pitch to nobody against ou? the dylan meier "where amazing happens" texas bowl pass and catch?
it was a bad play for sure but we've had lots of dumber plays.
The fact that it's up for reasonable consideration for worst play ever, is enough to more than prove my point.
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it was a really bad play but did you forget about the punter not being there? the '01 ell pitch to nobody against ou? the dylan meier "where amazing happens" texas bowl pass and catch?
it was a bad play for sure but we've had lots of dumber plays.
The fact that it's up for reasonable consideration for worst play ever, is enough to more than prove my point.
what was your point exactly?
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I'M PISSED ABOUT A SINGLE rough ridin' PLAY
Get over it.
LHC Bill Snyder literally might not even remember that play.
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The eff, Pete?
I'M PISSED ABOUT A SINGLE rough ridin' PLAY, NOT THAT HE PLAYS/STARTS, etc!
GOD DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Why is everyone afraid to acknowledge that Sams mumped up badly? All this pussy crap about how others mumped up too. When it comes down to the last drive the the game, that other crap doesn't matter. It's the QB.
you are right that he mumped up badly but you are wrong about the last drive being more important and nothing else mattering.
Never said that nothing else mattered.
you literally said "that other crap doesn't matter"
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fwiw i think everyone agrees it was a dumb play
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I'd say not a smart play, but not dumb. That normally doesn't get picked. The Baylor DB made a tremendous play.
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WHAT THE eff PETE :confused:
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fwiw i think everyone agrees it was a dumb play
What have I said that is different from that?
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fwiw i think everyone agrees it was a dumb play
What have I said that is different from that?
you said that it might have been the dumbest play in k-state history
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fwiw i think everyone agrees it was a dumb play
What have I said that is different from that?
you said that it might have been the dumbest play in k-state history
It was. You said it's dumb. I said it's dumb. I merely gave context.
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you're right pete - that might have been the dumbest play in k-state history...
IF YOUR HISTORY STARTED TODAY!
* it didn't because you're very emaw
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it was a really bad play but did you forget about the punter not being there? the '01 ell pitch to nobody against ou? the dylan meier "where amazing happens" texas bowl pass and catch?
it was a bad play for sure but we've had lots of dumber plays.
The fact that it's up for reasonable consideration for worst play ever, is enough to more than prove my point.
Its not up for consideration.
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OK, it appears that there are loads of you who think that throwing into coverage on 2nd and 2, while down by 3, with 4 minutes left, is totally cool.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
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OK, it appears that there are loads of you who think that throwing into coverage on 2nd and 2, while down by 3, with 4 minutes left, is totally cool.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
i thought it was a dumb decision for sure. but probably closer to 1000 on the list of dumber plays than to number 1.
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i think the real item up for discussion is pete's interpretation of "might be" and "THE dumbest play in KSU history"
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OK, it appears that there are loads of you who think that throwing into coverage on 2nd and 2, while down by 3, with 4 minutes left, is totally cool.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
i thought it was a dumb decision for sure. but probably closer to 1000 on the list of dumber plays than to number 1.
So, plays that contributed directly to losing Big 12 games has happened 1000+ times on your watch?
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Pete, have you considered a poll?
A) It was THE dumbest play in KSU history
B) It was a great play and I loved it
Make people pick 1.
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Pete, have you considered a poll?
A) It was THE dumbest play in KSU history
B) It was a great play and I loved it
Make people pick 1.
You loved that he threw a pick?
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OK, it appears that there are loads of you who think that throwing into coverage on 2nd and 2, while down by 3, with 4 minutes left, is totally cool.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
i thought it was a dumb decision for sure. but probably closer to 1000 on the list of dumber plays than to number 1.
So, plays that contributed directly to losing Big 12 games has happened 1000+ times on your watch?
well k-state's only been in the big 12 for about 15% of its history
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drugs?
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for the record pete, yes very dumb
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OK, it appears that there are loads of you who think that throwing into coverage on 2nd and 2, while down by 3, with 4 minutes left, is totally cool.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
It was not a good play. Nobody is arguing that. But there have been much, much worse plays. This is more of a "routine" bad play.
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OK, it appears that there are loads of you who think that throwing into coverage on 2nd and 2, while down by 3, with 4 minutes left, is totally cool.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
i thought it was a dumb decision for sure. but probably closer to 1000 on the list of dumber plays than to number 1.
So, plays that contributed directly to losing Big 12 games has happened 1000+ times on your watch?
well k-state's only been in the big 12 for about 15% of its history
WRONG
K-State has been in the Big 12 for 100% of it's history.
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:lol:
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this thread delivers
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this thread delivers
tobias ask football historian ms. tobias if k-state's always been in the big 12
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:billdance:
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this thread delivers
tobias ask football historian ms. tobias if k-state's always been in the big 12
isbn #?
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this thread delivers
tobias ask football historian ms. tobias if k-state's always been in the big 12
isbn #?
try #1 then move to more current ones
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this thread delivers
tobias ask football historian ms. tobias if k-state's always been in the big 12
isbn #?
try #1 then move to more current ones
hmm, claims big 12 is a recent development in the long, storied history of ksu?
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looks like pete needs to brush up on his ksu history then :ROFL:
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Two things are true.
1. Sams is a complete stud/ boss.
2. Mueller is also a stud/ boss.
Pete, stop being a pussy.
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Sams played great except for that one stupid decision. He'll be fine.
We have a bunch of problems with this horseshit team Bill and Sean put together, Sams is not one
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Remember when total dork puds hated Angel? That's Pete. That's EXACTLY who he's acting like.
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http://cjonline.com/sports/2013-10-12/kevin-haskin-k-state-had-baylor-run-so-why-pass
http://www.kansas.com/2013/10/12/3055875/bob-lutz-despite-loss-this-should.html
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http://cjonline.com/sports/2013-10-12/kevin-haskin-k-state-had-baylor-run-so-why-pass
http://www.kansas.com/2013/10/12/3055875/bob-lutz-despite-loss-this-should.html
Both echo my points.
rough ridin' stupid decision by Sams on the throw and Staff on the call.
Sams is our best option at QB.
The offense that many of you are taking to those statements is ridiculous.
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I'M PISSED ABOUT A SINGLE rough ridin' PLAY
LHC Bill Snyder literally might not even remember that play.
And this is what pisses me off the most.
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http://cjonline.com/sports/2013-10-12/kevin-haskin-k-state-had-baylor-run-so-why-pass
http://www.kansas.com/2013/10/12/3055875/bob-lutz-despite-loss-this-should.html
Both echo my points.
rough ridin' stupid decision by Sams on the throw and Staff on the call.
Sams is our best option at QB.
The offense that many of you are taking to those statements is ridiculous.
Pete, it's fine. We all agree it was not a good decision.
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http://cjonline.com/sports/2013-10-12/kevin-haskin-k-state-had-baylor-run-so-why-pass
http://www.kansas.com/2013/10/12/3055875/bob-lutz-despite-loss-this-should.html
Both echo my points.
rough ridin' stupid decision by Sams on the throw and Staff on the call.
Sams is our best option at QB.
The offense that many of you are taking to those statements is ridiculous.
why does thinking you are wrong equal taking offense? I mean, I know you're wrong. I still like you and I'm not mad at you. nobody's perfect. not even our guy Daniel.
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I liked the call, take a shot on 2nd and short. Play action, roll out; basically a run/pass option. Only 2 receivers to read at two levels, simple. Our guy just thought he could make a play and he didn't.
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I liked the call, take a shot on 2nd and short. Play action, roll out; basically a run/pass option. Only 2 receivers to read at two levels, simple. Our guy just thought he could make a pay and he didn't.
yeah, he's got to get better at throwing the ball away. collin became very good at accepting a loss or getting rid of the ball. our guy just tries to make every play a winning play. which hurts more than it helps on plays like that. live to fight another day daniel.
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I liked the call, take a shot on 2nd and short. Play action, roll out; basically a run/pass option. Only 2 receivers to read at two levels, simple. Our guy just thought he could make a pay and he didn't.
yeah, he's got to get better at throwing the ball away. collin became very good at accepting a loss or getting rid of the ball. our guy just tries to make every play a winning play. which hurts more than it helps on plays like that. live to fight another day daniel.
BTW, I think I'm just going to call him "our guy" from now on. May even make a #life/our guy t-shirt.
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I liked the call, take a shot on 2nd and short. Play action, roll out; basically a run/pass option. Only 2 receivers to read at two levels, simple. Our guy just thought he could make a pay and he didn't.
yeah, he's got to get better at throwing the ball away. collin became very good at accepting a loss or getting rid of the ball. our guy just tries to make every play a winning play. which hurts more than it helps on plays like that. live to fight another day daniel.
BTW, I think I'm just going to call him "our guy" from now on. May even make a #life/our guy t-shirt.
that is a very good idea _FAN.
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Where does taking two straight sacks while holding the ball for a billion seconds while attempting a 2 minute dril rank on the dumb scale?
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http://cjonline.com/sports/2013-10-12/kevin-haskin-k-state-had-baylor-run-so-why-pass
http://www.kansas.com/2013/10/12/3055875/bob-lutz-despite-loss-this-should.html
Both echo my points.
rough ridin' stupid decision by Sams on the throw and Staff on the call.
Sams is our best option at QB.
The offense that many of you are taking to those statements is ridiculous.
why does thinking you are wrong equal taking offense? I mean, I know you're wrong. I still like you and I'm not mad at you. nobody's perfect. not even our guy Daniel.
I said it was a stupid play, an that Sams is our best option at QB. You think that is wrong?
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http://cjonline.com/sports/2013-10-12/kevin-haskin-k-state-had-baylor-run-so-why-pass
http://www.kansas.com/2013/10/12/3055875/bob-lutz-despite-loss-this-should.html
Both echo my points.
rough ridin' stupid decision by Sams on the throw and Staff on the call.
Sams is our best option at QB.
The offense that many of you are taking to those statements is ridiculous.
why does thinking you are wrong equal taking offense? I mean, I know you're wrong. I still like you and I'm not mad at you. nobody's perfect. not even our guy Daniel.
I said it was a stupid play, an that Sams is our best option at QB. You think that is wrong?
no. I think saying his INT may have been THE dumbest play in KSU history is wrong. also saying he is a "rough ridin' idiot" is wrong.
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Where does taking two straight sacks while holding the ball for a billion seconds while attempting a 2 minute dril rank on the dumb scale?
pretty dumb. not THE dumbest but dumb.
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http://cjonline.com/sports/2013-10-12/kevin-haskin-k-state-had-baylor-run-so-why-pass
http://www.kansas.com/2013/10/12/3055875/bob-lutz-despite-loss-this-should.html
Both echo my points.
rough ridin' stupid decision by Sams on the throw and Staff on the call.
Sams is our best option at QB.
The offense that many of you are taking to those statements is ridiculous.
why does thinking you are wrong equal taking offense? I mean, I know you're wrong. I still like you and I'm not mad at you. nobody's perfect. not even our guy Daniel.
I said it was a stupid play, an that Sams is our best option at QB. You think that is wrong?
no. I think saying his INT may have been THE dumbest play in KSU history is wrong. also your text saying he was dumber than webb was wrong.
My text? Jesus.
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Sounds like this house is divided.. warm up the license plates!
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He cant throw.
he has no one to throw to
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I nominate the Schwinn option pitch to a Marshall defender for this thread, personally.
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Hey Pete, I did some research and the INT was with 3:48 left. NOT 3 minutes. If anything round to 4 minutes. Nice inaccurate thread title.
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I liked the call, take a shot on 2nd and short. Play action, roll out; basically a run/pass option. Only 2 receivers to read at two levels, simple. Our guy just thought he could make a play and he didn't.
I agree. Sams thought Trujillo wouldn't be a pussy, but he was one.
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This was a good point from Lutz:
"Clearly, though, Snyder doesn’t trust him to pass except, apparently, on one of the most crucial plays of the game."
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I liked the call, take a shot on 2nd and short. Play action, roll out; basically a run/pass option. Only 2 receivers to read at two levels, simple. Our guy just thought he could make a play and he didn't.
I agree. Sams thought Trujillo wouldn't be a pussy, but he was one.
I wonder if Trujillo getting banged up earlier made him timid. shouldn't have thrown that either way, tho.
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Remember when total dork puds hated Angel? That's Pete. That's EXACTLY who he's acting like.
bingo - great post
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We need him to stop playing QB. He needs to switch to DB to fix that ATROCIOUS secondary.. Or WR. Because he is an AWFUL quarterback. Great GREAT athlete who can run and wiggle. As hard as it is for me to admit it because I would love for him to be our qb. The guy just sucks at playing QB. My little sister has a stronger arm than sams
Leave this site, you are an awful poster.
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The play call? Maybe? To put this loss on Sams is really stupid.
I think everyone knows bill got out coached, again.
What was the play call? I thought he was trying to throw it away at the end of a busted play or make a last ditch pass attempt on the sideline.
He was definitely trying to complete a pass there. He doesn't have presence at the end of games when we are trailing with no timeouts. Most QBs don't. The key is not putting ourselves in those situations in the first place.
He doesn't? We've seen two games of him where most of his throwing(idiotically) comes late in the game when they still have time to run. You can't judge a QB over two games when he's played extremely well for most of them and missing his top 2 receivers who are all big 12 caliber.
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We need him to stop playing QB. He needs to switch to DB to fix that ATROCIOUS secondary.. Or WR. Because he is an AWFUL quarterback. Great GREAT athlete who can run and wiggle. As hard as it is for me to admit it because I would love for him to be our qb. The guy just sucks at playing QB. My little sister has a stronger arm than sams
Leave this site, you are an awful poster.
What would you expect from an ex KU fan.
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However, you CAN judge a QB when he's been inefficient on 90+% of the drives he's played on the year, like Waters.
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Back then after a game did you guys write messages on a physical bulletin board in the dorm lobby or something as a way of discussing the play calls and stuff?
:dubious:
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How has nobody nominated the butt fumble in Austin three weeks ago? :confused:
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The play call? Maybe? To put this loss on Sams is really stupid.
I think everyone knows bill got out coached, again.
What was the play call? I thought he was trying to throw it away at the end of a busted play or make a last ditch pass attempt on the sideline.
He was definitely trying to complete a pass there. He doesn't have presence at the end of games when we are trailing with no timeouts. Most QBs don't. The key is not putting ourselves in those situations in the first place.
He doesn't? We've seen two games of him where most of his throwing(idiotically) comes late in the game when they still have time to run. You can't judge a QB over two games when he's played extremely well for most of them and missing his top 2 receivers who are all big 12 caliber.
You absolutely can judge that and Daniel needs to get better. I have no doubt that he will.
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Do you think if Thompson and Lockett were healthy that Snyder would have had Waters in the game throwing to them?
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Do you think if Thompson and Lockett were healthy that Snyder would have had Waters in the game throwing to them?
I would like to think that he wouldn't be that dumb, but who knows?
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Do you think if Thompson and Lockett were healthy that Snyder would have had Waters in the game throwing to them?
probably so :curse:
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Do you think if Thompson and Lockett were healthy that Snyder would have had Waters in the game throwing to them?
probably so :curse:
If that were the case then this thread would be about how terribly Jake played
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Regarding the passing game play calling, it seems to me to be too vertical given #16 and #86 are out and there is no option for Waters or Sams to check down. Well, we did have a call with a check down option, it was on a 3rd and long after trying to throw on 1st and 2nd with no option to check down. No option of letting a TE chip someone and slip out late into the flat or over the middle makes our protections pretty obvious to the defense. Not slipping a RB/FB out does the same thing, in addition to eliminating any threat of plays be run and pass option. If the defense is going to spy your mobile QB on passing downs, you have to make that defender chose between a eligible receiver releasing late and the the QB taking off to run. Sams can throw the short to medium stuff very well. Let him check down and pick up a few yards and make 3rd down easier.
The underlying problem with all of this for the 22 years under Bill, is the staff's obsession with getting into the perfect play based on down, distance and defensive alignment. This has lead to all the delay of game penalties and burned timeouts we all love so much. Snyder's failure is not giving enough attention to decision making after the snap. Sams and Waters would both be better if they were allowed to make more post snap decisions than pre-snap decisions. The passing game becomes even less effective when we have younger receivers, because the play calling takes away option routes. We become predictable and we get baited into calling certain plays (i.e. Sams pick against OSU, and any speed option ever run to the boundary side of the field).