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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: jtksu on October 12, 2013, 05:51:19 PM
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David Carradine in a Bangkok hotel room.
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Sams might as well focus on being a wr or rb. Cuz he has been an absolute train wreck of a passer. Grant gregory could throw it better.
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WTF, I thought this was the #Life only board. Sams makes no mistakes. I have a feeling that Waters was throwing a voodoo curse his way at that moment...
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Please Bill, don't ever let him throw the ball ever again.
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Jake Waters?
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Jake Waters?
Not sure about that one, Waters also sucks balls and taints so it may be a push.
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JT, Waters is ten times the quarterback that sams is.
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Stupid rough ridin' pass for sure, and he is a terrible passer right now. But he is still the QB of this team and he needs to be allowed to pass or he won't improve and lead us to more trophies in his last two years.
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Probably should've got him some game experience throwing the ball before the 4th quarter of conference games we're losing
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he needs to put on some more weight that way he can be our percy harvin. WR/RB....wildcat qb etc....
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he needs to put on some more weight that way he can be our percy harvin. WR/RB....wildcat qb etc....
go tell him that on facebook.
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Hey, kstatefreak42, how many points did we score with Waters on the field today? How many did we score last week?
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Hey, kstatefreak42, how many points did we score with Waters on the field today? How many did we score last week?
he's got the one quality that freak42 is looking for though
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Hey, kstatefreak42, how many points did we score with Waters on the field today? How many did we score last week?
he's got the one quality that freak42 is looking for though
iowaness?
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he needs to put on some more weight that way he can be our percy harvin. WR/RB....wildcat qb etc....
go tell him that on facebook.
Lol
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Hey jt, literally go eff yourself
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The best chance to win this year, next year, and the year after that is Daniel Sams.
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JT putting together a grammatically sound thread title in a hurry.
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JT putting together a grammatically sound thread title in a hurry.
You should have seen it before I edited it. :cry:
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Hey jt, literally go eff yourself
Sams cost us the game with his choke job tonight. He played well (if he was a running back anyway) for most of the game but crap himself when it mattered.
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Hey jt, literally go eff yourself
Sams cost us the game with his choke job tonight. He played well (if he was a running back anyway) for most of the game but crap himself when it mattered.
So you would rather have Waters be the QB? I agree that Sams isn't above criticism, but if you are saying Waters is the better option, then you are just flat out wrong.
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Hey jt, literally go eff yourself
Sams cost us the game with his choke job tonight. He played well (if he was a running back anyway) for most of the game but crap himself when it mattered.
So you would rather have Waters be the QB? I agree that Sams isn't above criticism, but if you are saying Waters is the better option, then you are just flat out wrong.
Never said Waters was better. At least Sams can run but his inability to pass is killing us.
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6/15
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ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T BELIEVE SAMS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE THE BEST QB K-STATE HAS EVER HAD, THEN THEY CAN GO eff THEMSELVES. :th_twocents:
just give him a chance to do it. who else do we have?
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Waters would have three and outed us on that drive, so it doesn't really matter.
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ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T BELIEVE SAMS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE THE BEST QB K-STATE HAS EVER HAD, THEN THEY CAN GO eff THEMSELVES. :th_twocents:
just give him a chance to do it. who else do we have?
We don't have anything else. Waters doesn't really offer any upside, at least Sams can run. I'm hoping the return of Lockett and Thompson will open up some deep balls to WRs but I'm not confidant Sams can even hit a guy in stride so...
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ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T BELIEVE SAMS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE THE BEST QB K-STATE HAS EVER HAD, THEN THEY CAN GO eff THEMSELVES. :th_twocents:
just give him a chance to do it. who else do we have?
We don't have anything else. Waters doesn't really offer any upside, at least Sams can run. I'm hoping the return of Lockett and Thompson will open up some deep balls to WRs but I'm not confidant Sams can even hit a guy in stride so...
SAMs played his guys out today. Both he and waters seem to be goods kids. No reason to pile on. It was a tough loss for everybody.
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ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T BELIEVE SAMS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE THE BEST QB K-STATE HAS EVER HAD, THEN THEY CAN GO eff THEMSELVES. :th_twocents:
just give him a chance to do it. who else do we have?
We don't have anything else. Waters doesn't really offer any upside, at least Sams can run. I'm hoping the return of Lockett and Thompson will open up some deep balls to WRs but I'm not confidant Sams can even hit a guy in stride so...
SAMs played his guys out today. Both he and waters seem to be goods kids. No reason to pile on. It was a tough loss for everybody.
They both seem like awesome guys. But Sams is a star in the making and Waters is destined to be a really good back up.
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ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T BELIEVE SAMS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE THE BEST QB K-STATE HAS EVER HAD, THEN THEY CAN GO eff THEMSELVES. :th_twocents:
just give him a chance to do it. who else do we have?
We don't have anything else. Waters doesn't really offer any upside, at least Sams can run. I'm hoping the return of Lockett and Thompson will open up some deep balls to WRs but I'm not confidant Sams can even hit a guy in stride so...
SAMs played his guys out today. Both he and waters seem to be goods kids. No reason to pile on. It was a tough loss for everybody.
They both seem like awesome guys. But Sams is a star in the making and Waters is destined to be a really good back up.
Just let the process play out. Picking sides and then demonizing the other guy is just stupid.
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ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T BELIEVE SAMS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE THE BEST QB K-STATE HAS EVER HAD, THEN THEY CAN GO eff THEMSELVES. :th_twocents:
just give him a chance to do it. who else do we have?
We don't have anything else. Waters doesn't really offer any upside, at least Sams can run. I'm hoping the return of Lockett and Thompson will open up some deep balls to WRs but I'm not confidant Sams can even hit a guy in stride so...
SAMs played his guys out today. Both he and waters seem to be goods kids. No reason to pile on. It was a tough loss for everybody.
They both seem like awesome guys. But Sams is a star in the making and Waters is destined to be a really good back up.
Just let the process play out. Picking sides and then demonizing the other guy is just stupid.
:thumbsup:
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steffy is one of the better posters tonight and i'm trying to let that sink in my melon
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HOW DID WATERS DO IN THE CLUTCH VS NDSU? HUH FUCKFACE???
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If we demonize Waters to his face enough, he might get sad and move back to Iowa and we'd have a better chance to win games.
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If we demonize Waters to his face enough, he might get sad and move back to Iowa and we'd have a better chance to win games.
I'm not sure if this crap thread is the right place for you to bring in sound logic and reasoning. It might be, but there's a lot of dumbasses out tonight.
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If we demonize Waters to his face enough, he might get sad and move back to Iowa and we'd have a better chance to win games.
I'm not sure if this crap thread is the right place for you to bring in sound logic and reasoning. It might be, but there's a lot of dumbasses out tonight.
:buh-bye:
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If we demonize Waters to his face enough, he might get sad and move back to Iowa and we'd have a better chance to win games.
I'm not sure if this crap thread is the right place for you to bring in sound logic and reasoning. It might be, but there's a lot of dumbasses out tonight.
It was in response to this:
SAMs played his guys out today. Both he and waters seem to be goods kids. No reason to pile on. It was a tough loss for everybody.
They both seem like awesome guys. But Sams is a star in the making and Waters is destined to be a really good back up.
Just let the process play out. Picking sides and then demonizing the other guy is just stupid.
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Until Sams can hit a target, I will refuse to use the star tag. How many times did he complete a pass to a WR that led to YAC? I'm sure there were some but I can't think of one. The dude is a terrible thrower and that's not a good thing to be as a QB.
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Until Sams can hit a target, I will refuse to use the star tag. How many times did he complete a pass to a WR that led to YAC? I'm sure there were some but I can't think of one. The dude is a terrible thrower and that's not a good thing to be as a QB.
Agree.
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Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.
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Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.
Once again, no one is saying Waters is better. Also, team Sams has always been about him being great. It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.
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Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.
Once again, no one is saying Waters is better. Also, team Sams has always been about him being great. It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.
Sams just ran for 200 yards and didn't even play the entire game against the team that will likely win the big 12. I'd consider that great regardless of one very bad decision.
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Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.
Once again, no one is saying Waters is better. Also, team Sams has always been about him being great. It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.
Sams just ran for 200 yards and didn't even play the entire game against the team that will likely win the big 12. I'd consider that great regardless of one very bad decision.
You do know he's a QB, right?
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Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.
Once again, no one is saying Waters is better. Also, team Sams has always been about him being great. It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.
Sams just ran for 200 yards and didn't even play the entire game against the team that will likely win the big 12. I'd consider that great regardless of one very bad decision.
You do know he's a QB, right?
sure is :gocho:
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Sams is a great kid, but this staff has had ample opportunity to land a really good DUAL threat QB and has failed to do so.
The board likes Sams so much because the too cool for schoolers hate Waters so much.
If we had landed Marshall (for example) this board wouldn't give two $hits about Sams.
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Sams is a great kid, but this staff has had ample opportunity to land a really good DUAL threat QB and has failed to do so.
The board likes Sams so much because the too cool for schoolers hate Waters so much.
If we had landed Marshall (for example) this board wouldn't give two $hits about Sams.
Daniel is better than Marshall
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Sams is a great kid, but this staff has had ample opportunity to land a really good DUAL threat QB and has failed to do so.
The board likes Sams so much because the too cool for schoolers hate Waters so much.
If we had landed Marshall (for example) this board wouldn't give two $hits about Sams.
Daniel is better than Marshall
Not throwing the ball he isn't.
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Sams is a great kid, but this staff has had ample opportunity to land a really good DUAL threat QB and has failed to do so.
The board likes Sams so much because the too cool for schoolers hate Waters so much.
If we had landed Marshall (for example) this board wouldn't give two $hits about Sams.
I don't think I'm in the too cool for school crowd. Almost all of Snyder's really good dual threats have needed to be developed. I think Sams can be another Beasley/Roberson/Klein.
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Sams is a great kid, but this staff has had ample opportunity to land a really good DUAL threat QB and has failed to do so.
The board likes Sams so much because the too cool for schoolers hate Waters so much.
If we had landed Marshall (for example) this board wouldn't give two $hits about Sams.
I don't think I'm in the too cool for school crowd. Almost all of Snyder's really good dual threats have needed to be developed. I think Sams can be another Beasley/Roberson/Klein.
Beasley was a much better passer right out of the gate, Roberson struggled in the passing game mainly be having flurries of inaccuracy, but I think back to (for example) to the long TD pass that Roberson threw at OU late in the game in 2001 and believe that Sams couldn't have made that throw with 10 tries.
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Sams is a great kid, but this staff has had ample opportunity to land a really good DUAL threat QB and has failed to do so.
The board likes Sams so much because the too cool for schoolers hate Waters so much.
If we had landed Marshall (for example) this board wouldn't give two $hits about Sams.
I don't think I'm in the too cool for school crowd. Almost all of Snyder's really good dual threats have needed to be developed. I think Sams can be another Beasley/Roberson/Klein.
Beasley was a much better passer right out of the gate, Roberson struggled in the passing game mainly be having flurries of inaccuracy, but I think back to (for example) to the long TD pass that Roberson threw at OU late in the game in 2001 and believe that Sams couldn't have made that throw with 10 tries.
Beasley had a career completion% of 47.6%. He threw some nice balls, but he was far from an accurate passer. We really don't know what Sams can/can't do yet, but he's completing nearly 70% of his passes this year and averaging 8.2 yards per attempt. We'll see what the rest of this year and his career bring, but I doubt he is under 50% completions for his career.
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Sams is a great kid, but this staff has had ample opportunity to land a really good DUAL threat QB and has failed to do so.
The board likes Sams so much because the too cool for schoolers hate Waters so much.
If we had landed Marshall (for example) this board wouldn't give two $hits about Sams.
I don't think I'm in the too cool for school crowd. Almost all of Snyder's really good dual threats have needed to be developed. I think Sams can be another Beasley/Roberson/Klein.
Beasley was a much better passer right out of the gate, Roberson struggled in the passing game mainly be having flurries of inaccuracy, but I think back to (for example) to the long TD pass that Roberson threw at OU late in the game in 2001 and believe that Sams couldn't have made that throw with 10 tries.
Beasley had a career completion% of 47.6%. He threw some nice balls, but he was far from an accurate passer. We really don't know what Sams can/can't do yet, but he's completing nearly 70% of his passes this year and averaging 8.2 yards per attempt. We'll see what the rest of this year and his career bring, but I doubt he is under 50% completions for his career.
We had a true vertical passing game when Beasley and Roberson were our QB's, hell the K-State staff put out videos regarding the vertical passing game. It's not hard to have a 70% completion percentage when everything is 10 yards or less. Down the field passing; Sams has been horrific.
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The board likes Sams so much because the too cool for schoolers hate Waters so much.
If we had landed Marshall (for example) this board wouldn't give two $hits about Sams.
LOL, no. "This board" has loved Sams since he was EMAW'n his ass off while still in high school. H2No is irrelevant.
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#8 QBR in all of college football. that's just stats speaking and no bias.
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Sams is a great kid, but this staff has had ample opportunity to land a really good DUAL threat QB and has failed to do so.
The board likes Sams so much because the too cool for schoolers hate Waters so much.
If we had landed Marshall (for example) this board wouldn't give two $hits about Sams.
I don't think I'm in the too cool for school crowd. Almost all of Snyder's really good dual threats have needed to be developed. I think Sams can be another Beasley/Roberson/Klein.
Beasley was a much better passer right out of the gate, Roberson struggled in the passing game mainly be having flurries of inaccuracy, but I think back to (for example) to the long TD pass that Roberson threw at OU late in the game in 2001 and believe that Sams couldn't have made that throw with 10 tries.
Beasley had a career completion% of 47.6%. He threw some nice balls, but he was far from an accurate passer. We really don't know what Sams can/can't do yet, but he's completing nearly 70% of his passes this year and averaging 8.2 yards per attempt. We'll see what the rest of this year and his career bring, but I doubt he is under 50% completions for his career.
We had a true vertical passing game when Beasley and Roberson were our QB's, hell the K-State staff put out videos regarding the vertical passing game. It's not hard to have a 70% completion percentage when everything is 10 yards or less. Down the field passing; Sams has been horrific.
Fair point. We haven't exactly had much vertical threat the majority of Sams snaps at quarterback, so we'll see.
And Sams averaging 8.2 yards per attempt is still pretty good for all short routes to mainly Sexton, Miller, and Klein.
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#8 QBR in all of college football. that's just stats speaking and no bias.
Wow. And a bunch of that without his two best receivers? And he's only a sophomore? He's probably not very likeable though, right?
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yeah if we had a qb with an adequate arm we'd unleash hell on vertical pass plays with burners like sexton and kyle klein and toe miller.
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all day yesterday i was like "RUN THAT MONEY SEXTON GO ROUTE" and then i remembered we couldn't because we had noodly arm sams in the backfield.
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yeah if we had a qb with an adequate arm we'd unleash hell on vertical pass plays with burners like sexton and kyle klein and toe miller.
Hard to believe that is the receiving corps that the defending Big XII champs put on the field
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yeah if we had a qb with an adequate arm we'd unleash hell on vertical pass plays with burners like sexton and kyle klein and toe miller.
Hard to believe that is the receiving corps that the defending Big XII champs put on the field
S & C guy should be fired for his job with Tyler, also for letting TT get mono.
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all day yesterday i was like "RUN THAT MONEY SEXTON GO ROUTE" and then i remembered we couldn't because we had noodly arm sams in the backfield.
:Mad:
:ROFL:
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Baby Klein looks pretty ripped for being a Baby Klein. I think he'll be serviceable and raises our god factor. Just another horse in our stable of complete stud speed merchants.
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Sams is a great kid, but this staff has had ample opportunity to land a really good DUAL threat QB and has failed to do so.
The board likes Sams so much because the too cool for schoolers hate Waters so much.
If we had landed Marshall (for example) this board wouldn't give two $hits about Sams.
I don't think I'm in the too cool for school crowd. Almost all of Snyder's really good dual threats have needed to be developed. I think Sams can be another Beasley/Roberson/Klein.
Beasley was a much better passer right out of the gate, Roberson struggled in the passing game mainly be having flurries of inaccuracy, but I think back to (for example) to the long TD pass that Roberson threw at OU late in the game in 2001 and believe that Sams couldn't have made that throw with 10 tries.
Beasley had a career completion% of 47.6%. He threw some nice balls, but he was far from an accurate passer. We really don't know what Sams can/can't do yet, but he's completing nearly 70% of his passes this year and averaging 8.2 yards per attempt. We'll see what the rest of this year and his career bring, but I doubt he is under 50% completions for his career.
We had a true vertical passing game when Beasley and Roberson were our QB's, hell the K-State staff put out videos regarding the vertical passing game. It's not hard to have a 70% completion percentage when everything is 10 yards or less. Down the field passing; Sams has been horrific.
That's not really fair. We haven't had our two deep threats for majority of his snaps. We also didn't attempt anything down the field yesterday because we didn't really need to. His snaps as an actual QB have come against two of the better teams we'll play this year. Wait until he can play against WVU and Iowa state, workout some timing with receivers and hopefully can be a little more relaxed in some games that aren't tight late in the 4th
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Lin Elliot
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Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.
Once again, no one is saying Waters is better. Also, team Sams has always been about him being great. It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.
Sams just ran for 200 yards and didn't even play the entire game against the team that will likely win the big 12. I'd consider that great regardless of one very bad decision.
You do know he's a QB, right?
What's your point?
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Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.
Once again, no one is saying Waters is better. Also, team Sams has always been about him being great. It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.
Sams just ran for 200 yards and didn't even play the entire game against the team that will likely win the big 12. I'd consider that great regardless of one very bad decision.
You do know he's a QB, right?
What's your point?
I guess quarterback rushing yards don't count. :dunno:
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Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.
Once again, no one is saying Waters is better. Also, team Sams has always been about him being great. It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.
Sams just ran for 200 yards and didn't even play the entire game against the team that will likely win the big 12. I'd consider that great regardless of one very bad decision.
You do know he's a QB, right?
What's your point?
He must not be a math major. Logic tells us that a halfback has twice the value of a quarterback.
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Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.
Once again, no one is saying Waters is better. Also, team Sams has always been about him being great. It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.
Sams just ran for 200 yards and didn't even play the entire game against the team that will likely win the big 12. I'd consider that great regardless of one very bad decision.
You do know he's a QB, right?
What's your point?
I guess quarterback rushing yards don't count. :dunno:
He had 41 yards passing. The dude is a gifted runner but a terrible passer. Even the balls he completed were usually terrible throws. The dude just throws in the general direction of the receiver and it's up to the receiver to adjust and make the catch. He'll, even CK could hit dudes in stride. Also, he is apparently color blind or is unaware that it's a bad thing to throw to the other team.
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JT, could CK hit guys in stride as a sophomore?
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Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.
Once again, no one is saying Waters is better. Also, team Sams has always been about him being great. It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.
Sams just ran for 200 yards and didn't even play the entire game against the team that will likely win the big 12. I'd consider that great regardless of one very bad decision.
You do know he's a QB, right?
What's your point?
I guess quarterback rushing yards don't count. :dunno:
He had 41 yards passing. The dude is a gifted runner but a terrible passer. Even the balls he completed were usually terrible throws. The dude just throws in the general direction of the receiver and it's up to the receiver to adjust and make the catch. He'll, even CK could hit dudes in stride. Also, he is apparently color blind or is unaware that it's a bad thing to throw to the other team.
:facepalm:
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It's simple. K-State was in the game BECAUSE OF SAMS. K-State lost the game BECAUSE OF SAMS.
He put K-State in position to win, but couldn't seal the deal like so many friends of mine.
He's only a sophomore. The team is young and talented. Things will only get better.
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He had 41 yards passing. The dude is a gifted runner but a terrible passer. Even the balls he completed were usually terrible throws. The dude just throws in the general direction of the receiver and it's up to the receiver to adjust and make the catch. He'll, even CK could hit dudes in stride. Also, he is apparently color blind or is unaware that it's a bad thing to throw to the other team.
I try to evaluate the player based on the game plan they are asked to execute and Sams did very well overall. He was 4 of 7 and checked to and completed a huge first down the in the 3rd quarter to Miller. He ran the ball very well and averaged 6.6 yards per carry. He made one really poor decision that clearly cost his team dearly, but I can't overlook the 95+% of his snaps that he played very well. Daniel Sams was a major reason we were even in the game; he accounted for 54% of the offenses total yards and ran for all 3 of our touchdowns.
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JT, could CK hit guys in stride as a sophomore?
CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year. After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special. Sams has spent his entire career at QB. Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something? Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs. We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB. It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster. Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.
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JT, could CK hit guys in stride as a sophomore?
CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year. After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special. Sams has spent his entire career at QB. Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something? Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs. We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB. It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster. Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.
His FR year was a wash because he was a scout team guy. He got exposure to the offense, but his main focus wasn't there. Last year it was though.
Did you think the same thing about Roberson?
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JT, could CK hit guys in stride as a sophomore?
CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year. After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special. Sams has spent his entire career at QB. Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something? Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs. We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB. It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster. Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.
His FR year was a wash because he was a scout team guy. He got exposure to the offense, but his main focus wasn't there. Last year it was though.
Did you think the same thing about Roberson?
I thought Ell looked like an extremely talented but raw QB. Sams looks line an extremely talented RB who is playing the QB position because we have no one better.
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JT, could CK hit guys in stride as a sophomore?
CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year. After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special. Sams has spent his entire career at QB. Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something? Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs. We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB. It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster. Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.
Klein was a terrible passer. He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense. Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.
Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.
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Klein was actually pretty good at times throwing the ball against good defenses. The back shoulder pass he completed at Texas 2 years ago is no where in Sams repertoire right now, not even close. In the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas he was delivering the ball on the money all over the field and our guys were dropping it. Both times against Miami he completed some beautiful passes.
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JT, could CK hit guys in stride as a sophomore?
CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year. After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special. Sams has spent his entire career at QB. Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something? Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs. We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB. It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster. Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.
Klein was a terrible passer. He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense. Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.
Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.
If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench. Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.
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Klein was actually pretty good at times throwing the ball against good defenses. The back shoulder pass he completed at Texas 2 years ago is no where in Sams repertoire right now, not even close. In the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas he was delivering the ball on the money all over the field and our guys were dropping it. Both times against Miami he completed some beautiful passes.
Klein was 16/30 for 173 yards against arkansas and he only rushed for 42 yards. Miami sucked when we played them. Klein is not a better QB than sams.
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JT, could CK hit guys in stride as a sophomore?
CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year. After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special. Sams has spent his entire career at QB. Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something? Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs. We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB. It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster. Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.
Klein was a terrible passer. He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense. Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.
Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.
If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench. Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.
Sams is better than Klein. The numbers don't lie. Sorry bro.
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JT, could CK hit guys in stride as a sophomore?
CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year. After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special. Sams has spent his entire career at QB. Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something? Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs. We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB. It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster. Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.
Klein was a terrible passer. He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense. Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.
Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.
If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench. Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.
Sams is better than Klein. The numbers don't lie. Sorry bro.
What numbers are you referring to?
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JT, could CK hit guys in stride as a sophomore?
CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year. After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special. Sams has spent his entire career at QB. Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something? Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs. We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB. It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster. Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.
Klein was a terrible passer. He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense. Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.
Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.
If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench. Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.
Sams is better than Klein. The numbers don't lie. Sorry bro.
What numbers are you referring to?
sorry, bro
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Klein was actually pretty good at times throwing the ball against good defenses. The back shoulder pass he completed at Texas 2 years ago is no where in Sams repertoire right now, not even close. In the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas he was delivering the ball on the money all over the field and our guys were dropping it. Both times against Miami he completed some beautiful passes.
Klein was 16/30 for 173 yards against arkansas and he only rushed for 42 yards. Miami sucked when we played them. Klein is not a better QB than sams.
If you recall (and you won't) Klein hit the receivers right in the hands numerous times (particularly in the 1st half) and they just flat out dropped the ball.
Whether "Miami sucked" is immaterial to the accuracy of his passes, for example when the put the ball right over the top of a defender for a perfect strike (to Lockett as I recall) in Miami, that's a throw I doubt very much that Sams could make right now.
You're just part of the "too cool for school" crowd who is enamored with #Life and won't admit that he's got a long way to go, particularly passing the ball farther than 10 yards down the field. His "deep ball" is laughable.
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Klein was actually pretty good at times throwing the ball against good defenses. The back shoulder pass he completed at Texas 2 years ago is no where in Sams repertoire right now, not even close. In the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas he was delivering the ball on the money all over the field and our guys were dropping it. Both times against Miami he completed some beautiful passes.
Klein was 16/30 for 173 yards against arkansas and he only rushed for 42 yards. Miami sucked when we played them. Klein is not a better QB than sams.
If you recall (and you won't) Klein hit the receivers right in the hands numerous times (particularly in the 1st half) and they just flat out dropped the ball.
Whether "Miami sucked" is immaterial to the accuracy of his passes, for example when the put the ball right over the top of a defender for a perfect strike (to Lockett as I recall) in Miami, that's a throw I doubt very much that Sams could make right now.
You're just part of the "too cool for school" crowd who is enamored with #Life and won't admit that he's got a long way to go, particularly passing the ball farther than 10 yards down the field. His "deep ball" is laughable.
you're right dax, Klein was an amazing thrower :flush:
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Klein was actually pretty good at times throwing the ball against good defenses. The back shoulder pass he completed at Texas 2 years ago is no where in Sams repertoire right now, not even close. In the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas he was delivering the ball on the money all over the field and our guys were dropping it. Both times against Miami he completed some beautiful passes.
Klein was 16/30 for 173 yards against arkansas and he only rushed for 42 yards. Miami sucked when we played them. Klein is not a better QB than sams.
If you recall (and you won't) Klein hit the receivers right in the hands numerous times (particularly in the 1st half) and they just flat out dropped the ball.
Whether "Miami sucked" is immaterial to the accuracy of his passes, for example when the put the ball right over the top of a defender for a perfect strike (to Lockett as I recall) in Miami, that's a throw I doubt very much that Sams could make right now.
You're just part of the "too cool for school" crowd who is enamored with #Life and won't admit that he's got a long way to go, particularly passing the ball farther than 10 yards down the field. His "deep ball" is laughable.
you're right dax, Klein was an amazing thrower :flush:
Tap out noted. Go sit in the corner.
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Klein was actually pretty good at times throwing the ball against good defenses. The back shoulder pass he completed at Texas 2 years ago is no where in Sams repertoire right now, not even close. In the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas he was delivering the ball on the money all over the field and our guys were dropping it. Both times against Miami he completed some beautiful passes.
Klein was 16/30 for 173 yards against arkansas and he only rushed for 42 yards. Miami sucked when we played them. Klein is not a better QB than sams.
If you recall (and you won't) Klein hit the receivers right in the hands numerous times (particularly in the 1st half) and they just flat out dropped the ball.
Whether "Miami sucked" is immaterial to the accuracy of his passes, for example when the put the ball right over the top of a defender for a perfect strike (to Lockett as I recall) in Miami, that's a throw I doubt very much that Sams could make right now.
You're just part of the "too cool for school" crowd who is enamored with #Life and won't admit that he's got a long way to go, particularly passing the ball farther than 10 yards down the field. His "deep ball" is laughable.
you're right dax, Klein was an amazing thrower :flush:
Tap out noted. Go sit in the corner.
Kimmy thinks other KSU QB's need to be worst than Sams to justify his support for Sams. It just shows he could give two fucks about Sams if he is crappy. What a fine fan he is. :facepalm:
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If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business. But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.
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While I was typing this jake turned it over in the redzone again.
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If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business. But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.
can't argue with the numbers.
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If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business. But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.
reading compensation not your strong suite? :rolleyes:
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If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business. But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.
can't argue with the numbers.
Sure you can. At one point SAMs was among the most efficient passers in the history of college football. Not even the mawest of emaws would say he's one of the best passers ever, but "the numbers" suggested it at one point. What is the tipping point for critical turnovers in crucial times, when a player goes from keeping the team in the game to keeping the team from winning? My friend Tony wants to know.
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If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business. But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.
can't argue with the numbers.
Sure you can. At one point SAMs was among the most efficient passers in the history of college football. Not even the mawest of emaws would say he's one of the best passers ever, but "the numbers" suggested it at one point. What is the tipping point for critical turnovers in crucial times, when a player goes from keeping the team in the game to keeping the team from winning? My friend Tony wants to know.
Can't we give this kid a break. He hasn't played even one full game in the league, and ppl are condemning him. What kind of effing fans are we. He's not a race horse, he 's a QB on our favorite team and deserves our support and respect.
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If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business. But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.
can't argue with the numbers.
Sure you can. At one point SAMs was among the most efficient passers in the history of college football. Not even the mawest of emaws would say he's one of the best passers ever, but "the numbers" suggested it at one point. What is the tipping point for critical turnovers in crucial times, when a player goes from keeping the team in the game to keeping the team from winning? My friend Tony wants to know.
you're right, you can argue with the numbers, if you want to look like a dumbass
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If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business. But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.
can't argue with the numbers.
Sure you can. At one point SAMs was among the most efficient passers in the history of college football. Not even the mawest of emaws would say he's one of the best passers ever, but "the numbers" suggested it at one point. What is the tipping point for critical turnovers in crucial times, when a player goes from keeping the team in the game to keeping the team from winning? My friend Tony wants to know.
you're right, you can argue with the numbers, if you want to look like a dumbass
Then I guess KSU football is more losery than KU football. Can't argue with the numbers, dumbass.
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If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business. But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.
can't argue with the numbers.
Sure you can. At one point SAMs was among the most efficient passers in the history of college football. Not even the mawest of emaws would say he's one of the best passers ever, but "the numbers" suggested it at one point. What is the tipping point for critical turnovers in crucial times, when a player goes from keeping the team in the game to keeping the team from winning? My friend Tony wants to know.
you're right, you can argue with the numbers, if you want to look like a dumbass
hadn't thought of the dumbass scenario.
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He had 41 yards passing. The dude is a gifted runner but a terrible passer. Even the balls he completed were usually terrible throws. The dude just throws in the general direction of the receiver and it's up to the receiver to adjust and make the catch. He'll, even CK could hit dudes in stride. Also, he is apparently color blind or is unaware that it's a bad thing to throw to the other team.
I try to evaluate the player based on the game plan they are asked to execute and Sams did very well overall. He was 4 of 7 and checked to and completed a huge first down the in the 3rd quarter to Miller. He ran the ball very well and averaged 6.6 yards per carry. He made one really poor decision that clearly cost his team dearly, but I can't overlook the 95+% of his snaps that he played very well. Daniel Sams was a major reason we were even in the game; he accounted for 54% of the offenses total yards and ran for all 3 of our touchdowns.
97% of this thread is really dumb.
_FAN what did you think of the play call that forced Sams to roll to his right and then throw back to his left, across his body, to the tight end in traffic? I don't think that would be a wise call under any circumstance but it would be unfathomable to call for a guy who you have no faith in his arm.
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He had 41 yards passing. The dude is a gifted runner but a terrible passer. Even the balls he completed were usually terrible throws. The dude just throws in the general direction of the receiver and it's up to the receiver to adjust and make the catch. He'll, even CK could hit dudes in stride. Also, he is apparently color blind or is unaware that it's a bad thing to throw to the other team.
I try to evaluate the player based on the game plan they are asked to execute and Sams did very well overall. He was 4 of 7 and checked to and completed a huge first down the in the 3rd quarter to Miller. He ran the ball very well and averaged 6.6 yards per carry. He made one really poor decision that clearly cost his team dearly, but I can't overlook the 95+% of his snaps that he played very well. Daniel Sams was a major reason we were even in the game; he accounted for 54% of the offenses total yards and ran for all 3 of our touchdowns.
97% of this thread is really dumb.
_FAN what did you think of the play call that forced Sams to roll to his right and then throw back to his left, across his body, to the tight end in traffic? I don't think that would be a wise call under any circumstance but it would be unfathomable to call for a guy who you have no faith in his arm.
I assume you mean the 2 PT conversion.
I didn't hate it. Yeah, its a tough throw, but its a version of a Snyder staple, the backside throw on rollouts. The throw to beat North Texas in 89 and Cincinnati in 95 were much deeper roll out throw back plays. I imagine they thought the tightend would be wide open and they calculated wrong, especially after wasting a timeout.
And yes, I think that Snyder/Dimel/Miller have more faith in Daniel's arm than most of our fans.
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I thought it was a good play call, defense didn't bite tho. Snyder almost always pulls out those types of plays in important situations.
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He had 41 yards passing. The dude is a gifted runner but a terrible passer. Even the balls he completed were usually terrible throws. The dude just throws in the general direction of the receiver and it's up to the receiver to adjust and make the catch. He'll, even CK could hit dudes in stride. Also, he is apparently color blind or is unaware that it's a bad thing to throw to the other team.
I try to evaluate the player based on the game plan they are asked to execute and Sams did very well overall. He was 4 of 7 and checked to and completed a huge first down the in the 3rd quarter to Miller. He ran the ball very well and averaged 6.6 yards per carry. He made one really poor decision that clearly cost his team dearly, but I can't overlook the 95+% of his snaps that he played very well. Daniel Sams was a major reason we were even in the game; he accounted for 54% of the offenses total yards and ran for all 3 of our touchdowns.
97% of this thread is really dumb.
_FAN what did you think of the play call that forced Sams to roll to his right and then throw back to his left, across his body, to the tight end in traffic? I don't think that would be a wise call under any circumstance but it would be unfathomable to call for a guy who you have no faith in his arm.
I assume you mean the 2 PT conversion.
I didn't hate it. Yeah, its a tough throw, but its a version of a Snyder staple, the backside throw on rollouts. The throw to beat North Texas in 89 and Cincinnati in 95 were much deeper roll out throw back plays. I imagine they thought the tightend would be wide open and they calculated wrong, especially after wasting a timeout.
And yes, I think that Snyder/Dimel/Miller have more faith in Daniel's arm than most of our fans.
No I was not referring to the 2 point conversion, dumb decision BTW. I don't remember the quarter of the play but we weregoing south to north. Sams had a designed roll out to his right but the receiver he threw to was well to his left. He ccompleted the pass, may have been his first completion, but the ball was behind the TE and if the TE didn't catch it, the ball was getting picked. Just seemed like a very risky call and play design for someone who's arm isn't trusted by the staff.
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JT, could CK hit guys in stride as a sophomore?
CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year. After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special. Sams has spent his entire career at QB. Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something? Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs. We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB. It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster. Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.
Klein was a terrible passer. He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense. Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.
Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.
If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench. Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.
CK couldn't beat out Coffman.
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JT, could CK hit guys in stride as a sophomore?
CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year. After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special. Sams has spent his entire career at QB. Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something? Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs. We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB. It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster. Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.
Klein was a terrible passer. He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense. Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.
Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.
If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench. Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.
CK couldn't beat out Coffman.
Oh god, I felt my breakfast come up for a second
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JT, could CK hit guys in stride as a sophomore?
CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year. After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special. Sams has spent his entire career at QB. Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something? Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs. We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB. It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster. Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.
Klein was a terrible passer. He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense. Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.
Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.
If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench. Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.
CK couldn't beat out Coffman.
What, the redshirt sophomore who spent the last two years at WR couldn't beat out the senior?! This is the guy who Sams split time with in high school:
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Matt-Lipham-103875
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JT, could CK hit guys in stride as a sophomore?
CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year. After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special. Sams has spent his entire career at QB. Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something? Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs. We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB. It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster. Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.
Klein was a terrible passer. He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense. Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.
Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.
If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench. Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.
CK couldn't beat out Coffman.
What, the redshirt sophomore who spent the last two years at WR couldn't beat out the senior?! This is the guy who Sams split time with in high school:
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Matt-Lipham-103875
Roberson couldn't beat out Dunn.
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Sams can run but his inability to pass is killing us.
The fact that you don't see the inherent stupidity of that statement is baffling.
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Sams can run but his inability to pass is killing us.
The fact that you don't see the inherent stupidity of that statement is baffling.
Wut? Which part is wrong?
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Sams can run but his inability to pass is killing us.
The fact that you don't see the inherent stupidity of that statement is baffling.
Wut? Which part is wrong?
"...his inability to pass is killing us."
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Sams can run but his inability to pass is killing us.
The fact that you don't see the inherent stupidity of that statement is baffling.
Wut? Which part is wrong?
"...his inability to pass is killing us."
So it's helping us? Or do you mean that he is a capable passer?
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The late dumbass play calls killed us. We have 4.5 minutes, only need a FG, and a QB that is averaging 6.5 a carry. We could still run the ball. Run the ball on first and show Baylor you're still willing to run the ball. That may open up receivers and the pass more than coming out in a panic, which is basically what they expected after we did it the whole second half last year.
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Sams can run but his inability to pass is killing us.
The fact that you don't see the inherent stupidity of that statement is baffling.
Wut? Which part is wrong?
"...his inability to pass is killing us."
So it's helping us? Or do you mean that he is a capable passer?
His legs have been our most consistent threat moving the ball, do you really not understand this?
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Sams can run but his inability to pass is killing us.
The fact that you don't see the inherent stupidity of that statement is baffling.
Wut? Which part is wrong?
"...his inability to pass is killing us."
So it's helping us? Or do you mean that he is a capable passer?
His legs have been our most consistent threat moving the ball, do you really not understand this?
He really doesn't understand it, apparently.
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Sams can run but his inability to pass is killing us.
The fact that you don't see the inherent stupidity of that statement is baffling.
Wut? Which part is wrong?
"...his inability to pass is killing us."
So it's helping us? Or do you mean that he is a capable passer?
His legs have been our most consistent threat moving the ball, do you really not understand this?
I've never debated that. However, his inability to pass has killed us. Without the late picks, we have a great chance to beat two ranked teams. I feel like you guys are so intent on attacking anyone who says anything negative about Sams that you ignore very basic things. For example, the fact that this thread is about Sams choking late in games. It's not about Waters being better than Sams, nor is it about Sams not being able to effectively move the ball with his legs. I can only assume that your feeble minds are unable to process more than one thought at a time and your default response to criticism of Sams is to immediately go full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). I hope those around you have plenty of windex and paper towels.
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There's criticizing, and there's saying he chokes more than David Carradine.
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Sams can run but his inability to pass is killing us.
The fact that you don't see the inherent stupidity of that statement is baffling.
Wut? Which part is wrong?
"...his inability to pass is killing us."
So it's helping us? Or do you mean that he is a capable passer?
His legs have been our most consistent threat moving the ball, do you really not understand this?
I've never debated that. However, his inability to pass has killed us. Without the late picks, we have a great chance to beat two ranked teams. I feel like you guys are so intent on attacking anyone who says anything negative about Sams that you ignore very basic things. For example, the fact that this thread is about Sams choking late in games. It's not about Waters being better than Sams, nor is it about Sams not being able to effectively move the ball with his legs. I can only assume that your feeble minds are unable to process more than one thought at a time and your default response to criticism of Sams is to immediately go full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). I hope those around you have plenty of windex and paper towels.
Is this an attempt at a world record for most strawmen in one paragraph? What the hell just happened here?
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There's criticizing, and there's saying he chokes more than David Carradine.
Kung Fu only choked once.
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Sams can run but his inability to pass is killing us.
The fact that you don't see the inherent stupidity of that statement is baffling.
Wut? Which part is wrong?
"...his inability to pass is killing us."
So it's helping us? Or do you mean that he is a capable passer?
His legs have been our most consistent threat moving the ball, do you really not understand this?
I've never debated that. However, his inability to pass has killed us. Without the late picks, we have a great chance to beat two ranked teams. I feel like you guys are so intent on attacking anyone who says anything negative about Sams that you ignore very basic things. For example, the fact that this thread is about Sams choking late in games. It's not about Waters being better than Sams, nor is it about Sams not being able to effectively move the ball with his legs. I can only assume that your feeble minds are unable to process more than one thought at a time and your default response to criticism of Sams is to immediately go full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). I hope those around you have plenty of windex and paper towels.
Is this an attempt at a world record for most strawmen in one paragraph? What the hell just happened here?
Interesting way to avoid answering any questions. Also, I question your grasp of the strawman concept.
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I've never debated that. However, his inability to pass has killed us. Without the late picks, we have a great chance to beat two ranked teams.
Not really. Time wasn't really on our side in either of those games. We certainly had a chance, but I wouldn't say we were more likely to win than lose in either of them.
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Sams can run but his inability to pass is killing us.
The fact that you don't see the inherent stupidity of that statement is baffling.
Wut? Which part is wrong?
"...his inability to pass is killing us."
So it's helping us? Or do you mean that he is a capable passer?
His legs have been our most consistent threat moving the ball, do you really not understand this?
I've never debated that. However, his inability to pass has killed us. Without the late picks, we have a great chance to beat two ranked teams. I feel like you guys are so intent on attacking anyone who says anything negative about Sams that you ignore very basic things. For example, the fact that this thread is about Sams choking late in games. It's not about Waters being better than Sams, nor is it about Sams not being able to effectively move the ball with his legs. I can only assume that your feeble minds are unable to process more than one thought at a time and your default response to criticism of Sams is to immediately go full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). I hope those around you have plenty of windex and paper towels.
Is this an attempt at a world record for most strawmen in one paragraph? What the hell just happened here?
Interesting way to avoid answering any questions. Also, I question your grasp of the strawman concept.
I don't think anyone is talking about Waters here but you, I certainly didn't. I can only surmise you mentioned him to sidestep the point. I didn't address your point because you didn't address ours. Not only didn't you address the point but you want everyone to ignore the fact that the only reason we had a shot against Baylor was because we had over 300 yards rushing and dominated the TOP. If he didn't do what he did with his legs that one interception you're freaking out would have had no consequence.
Thing is I don't think you're dumb, all of this is just you unwilling to admit that your initial posts were reactionary. No one is attacking you because you're critical of Sams, in fact no one is attacking you at all, just pointing out your logic flaws. If you would have questioned his decision making in a rational way you would have experienced less pushback. Instead you called the guy a choker, obviously dumb, and questioned his ability to pass which is obviously not the issue. Don't victimize yourself when you get challenged, no on forced your dumb talking points down your throat.
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anybody that remembers klein as anything more than a serviceable passer is suffering from a sever case of rosy retrospection. his timing was god awful. his 2 favorite passes were either overthrowing tlbl by 5 yards if he was covered even a little bit or underthrowing him to the point that he had to completely stop and wait for the ball if he was wide open. he played to not turn the ball over first and try to make a play second. right now, sams is the exact opposite.
at this point, I'm not sure there's a lot of difference between klein and sams when it comes to pure passing ability. sams release is obviously a lot quicker, but I think their accuracy is pretty similar. again, the difference in my mind is that sams is trying to make plays and klein was much more conservative. sams will probably never be rg3, but I do think he can end up being much better than klein by next year. his decision making is his biggest drawback at this point and that will come with more coaching and experience. also, his timing has to be suffering a little because the 2 receivers that he's probably most comfortable with are sitting on the sidelines.
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I've never debated that. However, his inability to pass has killed us. Without the late picks, we have a great chance to beat two ranked teams.
Not really. Time wasn't really on our side in either of those games. We certainly had a chance, but I wouldn't say we were more likely to win than lose in either of them.
We had like 4 minutes at the end of the Baylor game to move into FG position. That's a ton of time.
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I've never debated that. However, his inability to pass has killed us. Without the late picks, we have a great chance to beat two ranked teams.
Not really. Time wasn't really on our side in either of those games. We certainly had a chance, but I wouldn't say we were more likely to win than lose in either of them.
We had like 4 minutes at the end of the Baylor game to move into FG position. That's a ton of time.
It's doable, but I would rather be in Baylor's position than ours there.
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Reading this thread is making me want to choke someone! I am not a violent man, but I am ready to go Steve Dave on some of the stupid crap are saying about #Life.
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Reading this thread is making me want to choke someone! I am not a violent man, but I am ready to go Steve Dave on some of the stupid crap are saying about #Life.
i think you mean @TrimGoEMAW
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I've never debated that. However, his inability to pass has killed us. Without the late picks, we have a great chance to beat two ranked teams.
Not really. Time wasn't really on our side in either of those games. We certainly had a chance, but I wouldn't say we were more likely to win than lose in either of them.
We had like 4 minutes at the end of the Baylor game to move into FG position. That's a ton of time.
Not when you don't have any timeouts and you are running the ball every down. With our 'check with me' clock management it's even worse.
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I've never debated that. However, his inability to pass has killed us. Without the late picks, we have a great chance to beat two ranked teams.
Not really. Time wasn't really on our side in either of those games. We certainly had a chance, but I wouldn't say we were more likely to win than lose in either of them.
We had like 4 minutes at the end of the Baylor game to move into FG position. That's a ton of time.
Not when you don't have any timeouts and you are running the ball every down. With our 'check with me' clock management it's even worse.
Why would we be running the ball every play?
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Sams can run but his inability to pass is killing us.
The fact that you don't see the inherent stupidity of that statement is baffling.
Wut? Which part is wrong?
"...his inability to pass is killing us."
So it's helping us? Or do you mean that he is a capable passer?
His legs have been our most consistent threat moving the ball, do you really not understand this?
I've never debated that. However, his inability to pass has killed us. Without the late picks, we have a great chance to beat two ranked teams. I feel like you guys are so intent on attacking anyone who says anything negative about Sams that you ignore very basic things. For example, the fact that this thread is about Sams choking late in games. It's not about Waters being better than Sams, nor is it about Sams not being able to effectively move the ball with his legs. I can only assume that your feeble minds are unable to process more than one thought at a time and your default response to criticism of Sams is to immediately go full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). I hope those around you have plenty of windex and paper towels.
Is this an attempt at a world record for most strawmen in one paragraph? What the hell just happened here?
Interesting way to avoid answering any questions. Also, I question your grasp of the strawman concept.
I don't think anyone is talking about Waters here but you, I certainly didn't. I can only surmise you mentioned him to sidestep the point. I didn't address your point because you didn't address ours. Not only didn't you address the point but you want everyone to ignore the fact that the only reason we had a shot against Baylor was because we had over 300 yards rushing and dominated the TOP. If he didn't do what he did with his legs that one interception you're freaking out would have had no consequence.
Thing is I don't think you're dumb, all of this is just you unwilling to admit that your initial posts were reactionary. No one is attacking you because you're critical of Sams, in fact no one is attacking you at all, just pointing out your logic flaws. If you would have questioned his decision making in a rational way you would have experienced less pushback. Instead you called the guy a choker, obviously dumb, and questioned his ability to pass which is obviously not the issue. Don't victimize yourself when you get challenged, no on forced your dumb talking points down your throat.
^^^This^^^
This is what dumbasses don't understand. Baylor scored a TD every 4 minutes of possession against us, with scoring drives averaging around 1:50. Without S4ms and the run game controlling the clock, Baylor would've had probably 8-12 minutes more of possession and put up 50+ on us. That interception wouldn't have meant crap when we were down 52-24.
*Keep in mind the TOP was 39.5-20.5, AND that was hurt due to 2 turnoverdeliverysystem.com 3 and outs in the game.
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Sams can run but his inability to pass is killing us.
The fact that you don't see the inherent stupidity of that statement is baffling.
Wut? Which part is wrong?
"...his inability to pass is killing us."
So it's helping us? Or do you mean that he is a capable passer?
His legs have been our most consistent threat moving the ball, do you really not understand this?
I've never debated that. However, his inability to pass has killed us. Without the late picks, we have a great chance to beat two ranked teams. I feel like you guys are so intent on attacking anyone who says anything negative about Sams that you ignore very basic things. For example, the fact that this thread is about Sams choking late in games. It's not about Waters being better than Sams, nor is it about Sams not being able to effectively move the ball with his legs. I can only assume that your feeble minds are unable to process more than one thought at a time and your default response to criticism of Sams is to immediately go full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). I hope those around you have plenty of windex and paper towels.
Is this an attempt at a world record for most strawmen in one paragraph? What the hell just happened here?
Interesting way to avoid answering any questions. Also, I question your grasp of the strawman concept.
I don't think anyone is talking about Waters here but you, I certainly didn't. I can only surmise you mentioned him to sidestep the point. I didn't address your point because you didn't address ours. Not only didn't you address the point but you want everyone to ignore the fact that the only reason we had a shot against Baylor was because we had over 300 yards rushing and dominated the TOP. If he didn't do what he did with his legs that one interception you're freaking out would have had no consequence.
Thing is I don't think you're dumb, all of this is just you unwilling to admit that your initial posts were reactionary. No one is attacking you because you're critical of Sams, in fact no one is attacking you at all, just pointing out your logic flaws. If you would have questioned his decision making in a rational way you would have experienced less pushback. Instead you called the guy a choker, obviously dumb, and questioned his ability to pass which is obviously not the issue. Don't victimize yourself when you get challenged, no on forced your dumb talking points down your throat.
^^^This^^^
This is what dumbasses don't understand. Baylor scored a TD every 4 minutes of possession against us, with scoring drives averaging around 1:50. Without S4ms and the run game controlling the clock, Baylor would've had probably 8-12 minutes more of possession and put up 50+ on us. That interception wouldn't have meant crap when we were down 52-24.
*Keep in mind the TOP was 39.5-20.5, AND that was hurt due to 2 turnoverdeliverysystem.com 3 and outs in the game.
If, if if, if. Instead of enabling poor performance I choose to focus on what did happen, not what could have happened. Everyone loves Sams, and we all want him to have immense success. However, he has shown little ability to pass the ball and has routinely forced passes (resulting in INTs) when it's most crucial. Like it or not, QB are judged by wins and how they perform under pressure.
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One qb was 6/15 and his name wasn't Sams. That's awful
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I wonder how the Denver Broncos and Peyton Manning would look right now if Brock Osweiler was taking 20% of the snaps every game.
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I wonder how the Denver Broncos and Peyton Manning would look right now if Brock Osweiler was taking 20% of the snaps every game.
Worst comparison ever? Possibly.
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Reading this thread is making me want to choke someone! I am not a violent man, but I am ready to go Steve Dave on some of the stupid crap are saying about #Life.
i think you mean @TrimGoEMAW
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