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Their preparation and in-game decision making has been awful this season. On the other hand, their recruiting has been terrible also. So at least we don't have that going for us.
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2 bad things and only 1 more bad thing!
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If I know Snyder like I think I do he won't tolerate this. He is quick to pull the trigger on under performing members of his staff.
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One might say that they aren't good at anything
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Heads will roll tomorrow if not today.
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dickey needs to go, plain and simple
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For as good as they were at optimizing their roster (both in play calling and player positioning) over the last 2 years, they are equally as worse at it this year. It is so absurd that the entire team rough ridin' sucks.
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If they could just improve in a couple areas then that would leave only one more area where they need to improve.
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off the top of my head, feel free to add more
penalties=inexcusable
center not snapping the ball when everyone else moves=inexcusable
waters making the trip=inexcusable
burns with no name on his jersey=inexcusable
not running hubes like at all=dumb/inexcusable
i mean if we are going to move forward with this thing somebody needs to answer for that and its starts up top
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For as good as they were at optimizing their roster (both in play calling and player positioning) over the last 2 years, they are equally as worse at it this year. It is so absurd that the entire team rough ridin' sucks.
Sudden onset dementia
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Our QB's lead the team in rushing. One of our leading receivers is a full back.
Hubert? :sdeek:
Dorrian Roberts :sdeek:
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Adding a stud recruiter would completely address 1/3 of this staffs issues.
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The staff is torching it's job prospects for LAB
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Adding a stud recruiter would completely address 1/3 of this staffs issues.
and a stud rb too, and a defense, and a play caller.
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off the top of my head, feel free to add more
penalties=inexcusable
center not snapping the ball when everyone else moves=inexcusable
waters making the trip=inexcusable
burns with no name on his jersey=inexcusable
not running hubes like at all=dumb/inexcusable
i mean if we are going to move forward with this thing somebody needs to answer for that and its starts up top
You can't have two players with the same number on the field at the same time, they can't make up an extra number jersey in case our top 3 return men get hurt, so burns had to put on an alternate number jersey for the returns.
waters making the trip needs to be waters being on the team.
not running more read option = dumb/inexcusable
not playing Jarvis = dumb (I'm tired of the you have to wait your turn crap! If they can play let them play! Sometimes talent covers up for not knowing everything inside and out!
Let the talent play! Stop hiding it for the future! But with our recruiting is there any talent???? Are we totally effed??? I thought Coleman was going to be a stud recruiter, but he seems to just sign everyone that is interested...
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These last two seasons of 10+ wins really lulled me into believing that recruiting didn't matter and that we would just coach them up. I won't make that mistake again!
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These last two seasons of 10+ wins really lulled me into believing that recruiting didn't matter and that we would just coach them up. I won't make that mistake again!
We Juco'd and transfered our way to those seasons. Was fun though.
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These last two seasons of 10+ wins really lulled me into believing that recruiting didn't matter and that we would just coach them up. I won't make that mistake again!
Deep down inside, you knew
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Let's give this staff some credit though. It's not as if they forgot how to coach. They must be refusing for some reason.
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we do have a good crop of youngsters coming in, saddle that with what will have next year and the gray/red shirts and im pretty happy. just need a new coach
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These last two seasons of 10+ wins really lulled me into believing that recruiting didn't matter and that we would just coach them up. I won't make that mistake again!
Deep down inside, you knew
I was drunk on success. We all were really. "Stars don't matter, the wizard will make them good".
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dickey needs to go, plain and simple
Good Lord....Last year all thought he was a God...
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dickey needs to go, plain and simple
Good Lord....Last year all thought he was a God...
well, we were duped
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I cannot remember a worse in-game coaching display than yesterday. Can anyone help me with this?
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I cannot remember a worse in-game coaching display than yesterday. Can anyone help me with this?
Texas was worse
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I cannot remember a worse in-game coaching display than yesterday. Can anyone help me with this?
Texas was worse
Texas was a dumpster fire compared to yesterday. We were playing with one hand tied behind our back without Lockett and Thompson. The Baylor game last year was pretty bad too.
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Yesterday was the best job the coaches have done all season, and it's not even close.
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Coach Snyder is a developmental coach. K-State has pretty much had 2 types of seasons under him, developmental years and years where he's had pretty much established teams. With the turnover on defense and at QB I'm not surprised this year is more of a developmental year. And really, this year isn't any better/worse than 01, 04, 05, 09, and 10. Its ugly and not fun, but it is what it is.
This staff doesn't forget how to coach, this is just how they coach (with Snyder in charge). We'll have to see if this developmental year (or years) leads to future success next year or the year after.
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:flush:
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Sams will make this season fun if he is allowed to.
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Coach Snyder is a developmental coach. K-State has pretty much had 2 types of seasons under him, developmental years and years where he's had pretty much established teams. With the turnover on defense and at QB I'm not surprised this year is more of a developmental year. And really, this year isn't any better/worse than 01, 04, 05, 09, and 10. Its ugly and not fun, but it is what it is.
This staff doesn't forget how to coach, this is just how they coach (with Snyder in charge). We'll have to see if this developmental year (or years) leads to future success next year or the year after.
What
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Coach Snyder is a developmental coach. K-State has pretty much had 2 types of seasons under him, developmental years and years where he's had pretty much established teams. With the turnover on defense and at QB I'm not surprised this year is more of a developmental year. And really, this year isn't any better/worse than 01, 04, 05, 09, and 10. Its ugly and not fun, but it is what it is.
This staff doesn't forget how to coach, this is just how they coach (with Snyder in charge). We'll have to see if this developmental year (or years) leads to future success next year or the year after.
What
To be fair, the nature of Snyder's established teams has started with established QBs. But in general, seasons of flux between QBs when no one was an established starter have been mediocre at best.
13 - Waters/Sams 2-3
12 - Klein 11-2
11 - Klein 10-3
10 - Coffman/Klein 7-6
09 - Coffman/Gregory 6-6
05 - Evridge/Webb 5-6
04 - Meier/Webb 4-7
03 - Roberson 11-4
02 - Roberson 11-2
01 - Dunn/Roberson 6-6
00 - Beasley 11-3
99 - Beasley 11-1
98 - Bishop 11-2
97 - Bishop 11-2
96 - Kavanagh 9-3
95 - Miller 10-2
94 - May 9-3
93 - May 9-2-1
92 - Smargiasso/Garber 5-6
91 - Watson 7-4
90 - Straw/Watson 5-6
89 - Straw/Watson 1-10
Of course there are tons of other factors, but Snyder trusting and going with a QB has been the one constant of successful vs mediocre seasons at K-State.
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Jake Waters reminds me a lot of Jason Smargiasso.
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We played 15 games in 2003? Is that a record?
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We played 15 games in 2003? Is that a record?
2002 was the first year that allowed a 12 game regular season and the special kickoff games (BCA Classic) didn't count toward those 12. Plus the Big 12 Champ game and a bowl game. The kickoff game exception went away in 2005. K-State and 1996 BYU are the only two teams to play 15 games. BYU played a kickoff game, league title game, bowl game (vs us) and at Hawaii, if you play at Hawaii it doesn't count toward your regular schedule.
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We played 15 games in 2003? Is that a record?
2002 was the first year that allowed a 12 game regular season and the special kickoff games (BCA Classic) didn't count toward those 12. Plus the Big 12 Champ game and a bowl game. The kickoff game exception went away in 2005. K-State and 1996 BYU are the only two teams to play 15 games. BYU played a kickoff game, league title game, bowl game (vs us) and at Hawaii, if you play at Hawaii it doesn't count toward your regular schedule.
Holy crap :themoreyouknow:
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Jake Waters reminds me a lot of Jason Smargiasso a dumber and MUCH, MUCH less telented version of Jeff George.
FYP
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http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=1220980
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dickey needs to go, plain and simple
Good Lord....Last year all thought he was a God...
He's still a great coach, we're not all reactionary dumbasses. If Dickey is to blame for those guys and their 10,000,000 false starts yesterday then he gets credit for the low numbers of O line penalties committed since he got here. If you're going to be pissed at Sean for us being down to our 3rd string returner and a guys brain farting and throwing a forward pass on a kick off, I hope he got equal credit for us having the best special return unit in the conference the last 3 years.
There are people on this site who are really good at being facetious, unfortunately many don't know the difference and can't distinguish between a fire sean joke and reality.
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Admitting I don't know crap about it, could we have changed our snap count process as one of the changes we made because of Joe Bob?
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dickey needs to go, plain and simple
Good Lord....Last year all thought he was a God...
He's still a great coach, we're not all reactionary dumbasses. If Dickey is to blame for those guys and their 10,000,000 false starts yesterday then he gets credit for the low numbers of O line penalties committed since he got here. If you're going to be pissed at Sean for us being down to our 3rd string returner and a guys brain farting and throwing a forward pass on a kick off, I hope he got equal credit for us having the best special return unit in the conference the last 3 years.
There are people on this site who are really good at being facetious, unfortunately many don't know the difference and can't distinguish between a fire sean joke and reality.
pretty good post MIR
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To everyone questioning LHCBS...LHC Bill Snyder has forgotten more about football then most of you have ever known. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that he's forgotten more about football than even he has ever known.
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To everyone questioning LHCBS...LHC LHC Bill Snyder has forgotten more about football then most of you have ever known. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that he's forgotten more about football than even he has ever known.
THAT just happened
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Admitting I don't know crap about it, could we have changed our snap count process as one of the changes we made because of Joe Bob?
I don't even know why we have a snap count when we just snap it at 1 second.
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Admitting I don't know crap about it, could we have changed our snap count process as one of the changes we made because of Joe Bob?
I don't even know why we have a snap count when we just snap it at 1 second.
If we want to draw the other team off sides, we should wait 'til 0.5 seconds. That will work almost every time!
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To everyone questioning LHCBS...LHC LHC Bill Snyder has forgotten more about football then most of you have ever known. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that he's forgotten more about football than even he has ever known.
Had he forgotten so much more than we will ever know to the point that he has forgotten too much?
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Sams will make this season fun if he is allowed to.
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Coach Snyder is a developmental coach. K-State has pretty much had 2 types of seasons under him, developmental years and years where he's had pretty much established teams. With the turnover on defense and at QB I'm not surprised this year is more of a developmental year. And really, this year isn't any better/worse than 01, 04, 05, 09, and 10. Its ugly and not fun, but it is what it is.
This staff doesn't forget how to coach, this is just how they coach (with Snyder in charge). We'll have to see if this developmental year (or years) leads to future success next year or the year after.
What
To be fair, the nature of Snyder's established teams has started with established QBs. But in general, seasons of flux between QBs when no one was an established starter have been mediocre at best.
13 - Waters/Sams 2-3
12 - Klein 11-2
11 - Klein 10-3
10 - Coffman/Klein 7-6
09 - Coffman/Gregory 6-6
05 - Evridge/Webb 5-6
04 - Meier/Webb 4-7
03 - Roberson 11-4
02 - Roberson 11-2
01 - Dunn/Roberson 6-6
00 - Beasley 11-3
99 - Beasley 11-1
98 - Bishop 11-2
97 - Bishop 11-2
96 - Kavanagh 9-3
95 - Miller 10-2
94 - May 9-3
93 - May 9-2-1
92 - Smargiasso/Garber 5-6
91 - Watson 7-4
90 - Straw/Watson 5-6
89 - Straw/Watson 1-10
Of course there are tons of other factors, but Snyder trusting and going with a QB has been the one constant of successful vs mediocre seasons at K-State.
Pretty good data, FAN.
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dickey needs to go, plain and simple
Good Lord....Last year all thought he was a God...
He's still a great coach, we're not all reactionary dumbasses. If Dickey is to blame for those guys and their 10,000,000 false starts yesterday then he gets credit for the low numbers of O line penalties committed since he got here. If you're going to be pissed at Sean for us being down to our 3rd string returner and a guys brain farting and throwing a forward pass on a kick off, I hope he got equal credit for us having the best special return unit in the conference the last 3 years.
There are people on this site who are really good at being facetious, unfortunately many don't know the difference and can't distinguish between a fire sean joke and reality.
admittedly it was a knee jerk reaction, but going back to the discussion last week about tipping plays and then the continuous shooting ourselves in the foot coupled with half assed blocking has me a bit perturbed. its coaching for the most part, hence my frustration.
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Admitting I don't know crap about it, could we have changed our snap count process as one of the changes we made because of Joe Bob?
I don't even know why we have a snap count when we just snap it at 1 second.
Poor Sams sits back there frantically clapping his hands half the time. Not sure what the strategy is on that. If you want to draw someone off, don't you do a hard count? I have never seen the hand clap as a strategy.
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Admitting I don't know crap about it, could we have changed our snap count process as one of the changes we made because of Joe Bob?
I don't even know why we have a snap count when we just snap it at 1 second.
Poor Sams sits back there frantically clapping his hands half the time. Not sure what the strategy is on that. If you want to draw someone off, don't you do a hard count? I have never seen the hand clap as a strategy.
yeah, it always had a "jesus christ give me the damned ball now" quality to it
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a lot of college qb's are doing that on the road. agreed as to not sure the reasoning behind it if its just going to cause negative yds constantly
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a lot of college qb's are doing that on the road. agreed as to not sure the reasoning behind it if its just going to cause negative yds constantly
But finney doesn't snap it when he claps.
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a lot of college qb's are doing that on the road. agreed as to not sure the reasoning behind it if its just going to cause negative yds constantly
But finney doesn't snap it when he claps.
i understand that, he snaps it on the long drawn out clap not the golf clap
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K-State has a variety of snap counts and signals. There are silent counts when Finney looks back and the QB gives him a signal (drops his right arm), then the center snaps when he's ready. There are multiple voice snap counts. There are the QB clapping and usually some voice cadence after that. A variety of counts are used with the goal of eliminating the defense from anticipating the snap. I'm sure there were probably more things used in Stillwater because of Joe Bob on the OSU staff.
On the first drive I'd say all the false starts were mistakes by the offensive linemen. The first one was the offensive lineman anticipating the count because he had a wide outside rusher. The 2nd one was a miscommunication because Finney didn't snap it. The 3rd one was a hard count and the tackle just moved. I'd say in part you could say getting used to a different cadence on the road in a pretty loud environment was part of it combined with additional snap counts because of being worried about Joe Bob knowing our system.