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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2013, 06:03:52 PM
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So I am reading some discussion in Tuckville, and a usual suspect chimed in with his usual misinformation about how the mission of Land Grant Schools is to pretty much let everybody in like K-State does.
Frankly, if K-State only raised it's admission standards marginally over where they are now, it would increase the school's overall prestige and impact very few students. In fact, if you look at the numbers, a very large percentage of K-State Freshman would garner automatic admission at all but the most selective public universities in the United States (and a significant portion of those would get admitted to the UNC Chapel Hill's and Virginia's of the world).
It's a myth that Land Grant Schools are required to essentially just throw the doors open.
Admission Rate of other Land Grant Schools:
NC State: 54%
University of Florida: 39%
Ohio State: 63.4%
Auburn: 70%
Virginia Tech: 67%
Texas A&M : 63.5%
Iowa State: 81%
Mississippi State: 63%
Colorado State: 76%
K-State: 97%
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meh.
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meh.
19 on the ACT huh?
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So I am reading some discussion in Tuckville, and a usual suspect chimed in with his usual misinformation about how the mission of Land Grant Schools is to pretty much let everybody in like K-State does.
Frankly, if K-State only raised it's admission standards marginally over where they are now, it would increase the school's overall prestige and impact very few students. In fact, if you look at the numbers, a very large percentage of K-State Freshman would garner automatic admission at all but the most selective public universities in the United States (and a significant portion of those would get admitted to the UNC Chapel Hill's and Virginia's of the world).
It's a myth that Land Grant Schools are required to essentially just throw the doors open.
Admission Rate of other Land Grant Schools:
NC State: 54%
University of Florida: 39%
Ohio State: 63.4%
Auburn: 70%
Virginia Tech: 67%
Texas A&M : 63.5%
Iowa State: 81%
Mississippi State: 63%
Colorado State: 76%
K-State: 97%
I know a non-tuck that would whip your ass in an argument about this.
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So I am reading some discussion in Tuckville, and a usual suspect chimed in with his usual misinformation about how the mission of Land Grant Schools is to pretty much let everybody in like K-State does.
Frankly, if K-State only raised it's admission standards marginally over where they are now, it would increase the school's overall prestige and impact very few students. In fact, if you look at the numbers, a very large percentage of K-State Freshman would garner automatic admission at all but the most selective public universities in the United States (and a significant portion of those would get admitted to the UNC Chapel Hill's and Virginia's of the world).
It's a myth that Land Grant Schools are required to essentially just throw the doors open.
Admission Rate of other Land Grant Schools:
NC State: 54%
University of Florida: 39%
Ohio State: 63.4%
Auburn: 70%
Virginia Tech: 67%
Texas A&M : 63.5%
Iowa State: 81%
Mississippi State: 63%
Colorado State: 76%
K-State: 97%
I know a non-tuck that would whip your ass in an argument about this.
Who is arguing, it's just the way the college rankings game is played.
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Oh, I thought you were advocating for raising admission standards. Never mind.
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Oh, I thought you were advocating for raising admission standards. Never mind.
So advocating is arguing?
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would still like to hear the ass whipping defense for not raising admissions ( because I think it benefits the U to be very inclusive)
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Oh, I thought you were advocating for raising admission standards. Never mind.
So advocating is arguing?
good lord Dax
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meh.
19 on the ACT huh?
no. well maybe the reading part :ohno:
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would still like to hear the ass whipping defense for not raising admissions ( because I think it benefits the U to be very inclusive)
yeah, i like that too, but i also don't care if we were slightly less inclusive. hence the "meh".
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Bring it on, but in the college rankings game, K-State gets dinged for its admission rates, and when you look at incoming Freshman ACT scores at K-State it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that a marginal increase in standards would impact very few students, plus with the transfer agreements in place with Kansas Juco's, the path into K-State would still be relatively simple for resident Kansas students not admitted as Freshman.
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i would love to see ACT stats for cats bbs'.
how many points do you guys think we got on gopo?
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i like that our doors are wide open. i care zero percent about k-state's academic ranking, but i can understand why others might.
but if you're the type to care about k-state's college ranking, why did you decide to go to k-state in the first place?
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Yea, there is literally nothing I give a crap less about than acceptance rates.
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College admission rates and the rate of tuition inflation are directly related.
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College admission rates and the rate of tuition inflation are directly related.
Nah.
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Degrees matter, not schools.
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I love it when people talk about the days of worrying about test scores and getting accepted into college, including me in the discussion and I'm just all like, "Yeah, man."
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i like that our doors are wide open. i care zero percent about k-state's academic ranking, but i can understand why others might.
but if you're the type to care about k-state's college ranking, why did you decide to go to k-state in the first place?
someone has a great fatty quote that sums up the whole academics thing really well
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Who is worrying?
But it's a complete myth that Land Grant Schools are mandated to just throw the doors open.
Also, it's quite obvious that the senior administration at K-State cares about college rankings.
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how dare chum1 accuse dax of worrying.
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i like that our doors are wide open. i care zero percent about k-state's academic ranking, but i can understand why others might.
It's good that you can understand why people may care about the academic ranking of our academic institution.
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if we let more kids into ksu we will have more millionaire alumni. its rough ridin' science.
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i like that our doors are wide open. i care zero percent about k-state's academic ranking, but i can understand why others might.
It's good that you can understand why people may care about the academic ranking of our academic institution.
Yeah. I'm empathetic like that.
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does it really matter what the general student body admissions are as long as each specific college maintains their own admissions integrity?
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does it really matter what the general student body admissions are as long as each specific college maintains their own admissions integrity?
nope, just like the school doesnt matter as long as your degree is well respected.
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i like that our doors are wide open. i care zero percent about k-state's academic ranking, but i can understand why others might.
but if you're the type to care about k-state's college ranking, why did you decide to go to k-state in the first place?
Why wouldn't someone care about whether or not their alma mater was improving its academic status? Improved academics means better professors, better students, better facilities, more research grants, etc. Better quality students get better jobs and donate more money back into the university.
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i like that our doors are wide open. i care zero percent about k-state's academic ranking, but i can understand why others might.
but if you're the type to care about k-state's college ranking, why did you decide to go to k-state in the first place?
Why wouldn't someone care about whether or not their alma mater was improving its academic status? Improved academics means better professors, better students, better facilities, more research grants, etc. Better quality students get better jobs and donate more money back into the university.
I view K-State's general mission as an opportunity for a lot of Kansas kids to get a quality higher education. That mission is currently being served well. Raising admission standards would theoretically improve the quality of education, but would turn away Kansas kids who would otherwise get a quality education at Kansas State.
I agree with BTK's assertion that individual colleges (engineering/accounting) should retain its own standards.
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i like that our doors are wide open. i care zero percent about k-state's academic ranking, but i can understand why others might.
but if you're the type to care about k-state's college ranking, why did you decide to go to k-state in the first place?
Why wouldn't someone care about whether or not their alma mater was improving its academic status? Improved academics means better professors, better students, better facilities, more research grants, etc. Better quality students get better jobs and donate more money back into the university.
Don't muddy the issue of admission standards and investing in academic quality.
My only complaint with the lax admission standards, is that like it or not, it leads to tuition inflation which is, of itself a different kind of admission restriction. Otherwise capable students who lack the means to afford an education at K-State are left out every year, the more it costs the larger this pool grows.
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A lot like fillies.. k-state is easy to get into and hard to get out of
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i like that our doors are wide open. i care zero percent about k-state's academic ranking, but i can understand why others might.
but if you're the type to care about k-state's college ranking, why did you decide to go to k-state in the first place?
Why wouldn't someone care about whether or not their alma mater was improving its academic status? Improved academics means better professors, better students, better facilities, more research grants, etc. Better quality students get better jobs and donate more money back into the university.
Don't muddy the issue of admission standards and investing in academic quality.
My only complaint with the lax admission standards, is that like it or not, it leads to tuition inflation which is, of itself a different kind of admission restriction. Otherwise capable students who lack the means to afford an education at K-State are left out every year, the more it costs the larger this pool grows.
Do you have any data to back that up?
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i like that our doors are wide open. i care zero percent about k-state's academic ranking, but i can understand why others might.
but if you're the type to care about k-state's college ranking, why did you decide to go to k-state in the first place?
Why wouldn't someone care about whether or not their alma mater was improving its academic status? Improved academics means better professors, better students, better facilities, more research grants, etc. Better quality students get better jobs and donate more money back into the university.
Don't muddy the issue of admission standards and investing in academic quality.
My only complaint with the lax admission standards, is that like it or not, it leads to tuition inflation which is, of itself a different kind of admission restriction. Otherwise capable students who lack the means to afford an education at K-State are left out every year, the more it costs the larger this pool grows.
Do you have any data to back that up?
Pretty much common sense....the more students that get in means less state funding per student....
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i like that our doors are wide open. i care zero percent about k-state's academic ranking, but i can understand why others might.
but if you're the type to care about k-state's college ranking, why did you decide to go to k-state in the first place?
Why wouldn't someone care about whether or not their alma mater was improving its academic status? Improved academics means better professors, better students, better facilities, more research grants, etc. Better quality students get better jobs and donate more money back into the university.
Don't muddy the issue of admission standards and investing in academic quality.
My only complaint with the lax admission standards, is that like it or not, it leads to tuition inflation which is, of itself a different kind of admission restriction. Otherwise capable students who lack the means to afford an education at K-State are left out every year, the more it costs the larger this pool grows.
Do you have any data to back that up?
Pretty much common sense....the more students that get in means less state funding per student....
You mean the state just funds all schools equally with no regard for enrollment? I honestly don't know.
I do believe that at least with the public schools, the one with the highest enrollment standards in the state also has the highest tuition. I also think this is probably the case nationwide.
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i like that our doors are wide open. i care zero percent about k-state's academic ranking, but i can understand why others might.
but if you're the type to care about k-state's college ranking, why did you decide to go to k-state in the first place?
Why wouldn't someone care about whether or not their alma mater was improving its academic status? Improved academics means better professors, better students, better facilities, more research grants, etc. Better quality students get better jobs and donate more money back into the university.
Don't muddy the issue of admission standards and investing in academic quality.
My only complaint with the lax admission standards, is that like it or not, it leads to tuition inflation which is, of itself a different kind of admission restriction. Otherwise capable students who lack the means to afford an education at K-State are left out every year, the more it costs the larger this pool grows.
Do you have any data to back that up?
Pretty much common sense....the more students that get in means less state funding per student....
I think that well is running dry despite the number of idiots K-State is letting in.
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pretty torn on this...
on one hand - I remember having class with some pretty stupid people, which made me feel super smarter than everyone else.
on the other hand - I remember being in class with some pretty stupid people, which made me feel super stupid for being at the same school with them,
Its basically a toss up unless you're a stupid, but 'they' probably don't understand the argument.
FWIW - I think the 'good' schools are good schools because of the students, not the professors/staff.
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pretty torn on this...
on one hand - I remember having class with some pretty stupid people, which made me feel super smarter than everyone else.
on the other hand - I remember being in class with some pretty stupid people, which made me feel super stupid for being at the same school with them,
Its basically a toss up unless you're a stupid, but 'they' probably don't understand the argument.
FWIW - I think the 'good' schools are good schools because of the students, not the professors/staff.
this is so far from the truth i dont even know where to begin
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FWIW - I think the 'good' schools are good schools because of the students, not the professors/staff.
this is so far from the truth i dont even know where to begin
Meh, it's probably not that far from the truth. Probably true, in fact.
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pretty torn on this...
on one hand - I remember having class with some pretty stupid people, which made me feel super smarter than everyone else.
on the other hand - I remember being in class with some pretty stupid people, which made me feel super stupid for being at the same school with them,
Its basically a toss up unless you're a stupid, but 'they' probably don't understand the argument.
FWIW - I think the 'good' schools are good schools because of the students, not the professors/staff.
this is so far from the truth i dont even know where to begin
wow - kind of sad you don't think so...
Most schools teach the EXACT SAME CRAP. It's the students/cohorts you interact with that make the difference in both school and later in life. Sry, but its true.
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pretty torn on this...
on one hand - I remember having class with some pretty stupid people, which made me feel super smarter than everyone else.
on the other hand - I remember being in class with some pretty stupid people, which made me feel super stupid for being at the same school with them,
Its basically a toss up unless you're a stupid, but 'they' probably don't understand the argument.
FWIW - I think the 'good' schools are good schools because of the students, not the professors/staff.
this is so far from the truth i dont even know where to begin
Yeah, the proffs/staff make the degree what it is. They maintain contacts with the working world for jobs, resources, funding, etc of their program and grads. They are the integrity of any individual degree.
Looking at this at the degree/individual colleges within the uni level is the right thought. I mean, when I grad'ed from my degree, we were ranked like 3rd in the nation in that specific degree and no perspective employers, college of eng donors, or project/education volunteers gave a crap about how many kansas kids were hanging out in our general biz degree.
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:thumbs:
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pretty torn on this...
on one hand - I remember having class with some pretty stupid people, which made me feel super smarter than everyone else.
on the other hand - I remember being in class with some pretty stupid people, which made me feel super stupid for being at the same school with them,
Its basically a toss up unless you're a stupid, but 'they' probably don't understand the argument.
FWIW - I think the 'good' schools are good schools because of the students, not the professors/staff.
this is so far from the truth i dont even know where to begin
Yeah, the proffs/staff make the degree what it is. They maintain contacts with the working world for jobs, resources, funding, etc of their program and grads. They are the integrity of any individual degree.
Looking at this at the degree/individual colleges within the uni level is the right thought. I mean, when I grad'ed from my degree, we were ranked like 3rd in the nation in that specific degree and no perspective employers, college of eng donors, or project/education volunteers gave a crap about how many kansas kids were hanging out in our general biz degree.
yeah, when I graduated in that department every single grad had a job before graduation, most of us multiple offers. That may have changed with the economy, but there is still no doubt our dept. and their connections were top notch and made a BIG difference over most others on campus/other schools.