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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: kim carnes on July 08, 2013, 10:17:34 PM
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eff you
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Sounds fascist.
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these cameras have issued 191,000 tickets since 2008
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Good idea Kim. Didn't know you came up with that one :thumbs:
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Good idea Kim. Didn't know you came up with that one :thumbs:
there are a lot of things you don't know about me.
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post a map of every camera location. thx.
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Do they make driving safer?
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hemmy, you are so effed (unless you only drive in KS)
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Do they make driving safer?
no, they cause people to freakout
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Do they make driving safer?
no, they cause people to freakout
Apparently.
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Did you rear end somebody who slammed on their brakes??
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Stop running red lights bad person. You're going to hurt/kill someone.
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Guess they're going to be auditioning blue lights in parts of Lawrence and Joco...
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hemmy, you are so effed (unless you only drive in KS)
Ha, I stay in Joco man. I'm not risking murder by crossing the border.
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hemmy, you are so effed (unless you only drive in KS)
Ha, I stay in Joco man. I'm not risking murder by crossing the border.
Good plan.
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Saw this on FB the other day, no idea if its legit but if I ever get one I might try it out
http://govtslaves.info/never-pay-again-how-to-beat-a-photo-enforced-speeding-ticket-or-red-light-ticket/
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post a map of every camera location. thx.
The ones I know of are all the lights on 71 highway, southwest tfwy and 39th st, North Oak tfwy and Vivion rd, and 95th and quivera in OP.
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Try getting a speeding ticket from another state that you were just driving through mailed to you :blindfold:
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Yeah, stop running red lights dumbass.
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Try getting a speeding ticket from another state that you were just driving through mailed to you :blindfold:
Lol. That is easy. No letter, no court, no payment. Just throw it away.
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back when junk mail (usps) was a thing, my grandma used to take the pre-stamped return envelopes, stuff it with the junk, and mail it back to the companies. THAT WAY THEY HAD TO PAY SHIPPING.
I mean, I'm sure that over the course of her lifetime she probably screwed some loser companies out of $10-15. Eat it, big business.
Seems like you could do something similar with these mailed tickets. i'm not a lawyer or anything, but if killing a black kid is cool then running a red is no biggie.
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back when junk mail (usps) was a thing, my grandma used to take the pre-stamped return envelopes, stuff it with the junk, and mail it back to the companies. THAT WAY THEY HAD TO PAY SHIPPING.
I mean, I'm sure that over the course of her lifetime she probably screwed some loser companies out of $10-15. Eat it, big business.
Seems like you could do something similar with these mailed tickets. i'm not a lawyer or anything, but if killing a black kid is cool then running a red is no biggie.
My dad still does this
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Yeah, stop running red lights dumbass.
fanning is erring on the side of caution here, KC. Think about that for a sec.
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Yeah, stop running red lights dumbass.
fanning is erring on the side of caution here, KC. Think about that for a sec.
to be fair, his filly does all the driving because she wears the (squawk) pants
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back when junk mail (usps) was a thing, my grandma used to take the pre-stamped return envelopes, stuff it with the junk, and mail it back to the companies. THAT WAY THEY HAD TO PAY SHIPPING.
I mean, I'm sure that over the course of her lifetime she probably screwed some loser companies out of $10-15. Eat it, big business.
Seems like you could do something similar with these mailed tickets. i'm not a lawyer or anything, but if killing a black kid is cool then running a red is no biggie.
My dad still does this
I wouldn't brag about your dad killing black kids benj
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Yeah, stop running red lights dumbass.
fanning is erring on the side of caution here, KC. Think about that for a sec.
to be fair, his filly does all the driving because she wears the (squawk) pants
Meh. Not really. I just borrowed the only shirt that fit me in her dresser. It was on me for 40 minutes in a no vacant gym on the 13th floor of the Baltimore lofts. :don'tcare:
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Yeah, stop running red lights dumbass.
fanning is erring on the side of caution here, KC. Think about that for a sec.
to be fair, his filly does all the driving because she wears the (squawk) pants
Meh. Not really. I just borrowed the only shirt that fit me in her dresser. It was on me for 40 minutes in a no vacant gym on the 13th floor of the Baltimore lofts. :don'tcare:
:D
And T-Y for the confirmation again here on your squawkdom.
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a fanningbrag about his horse's apartment! :love:
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a lawyer bro of mine told me that he and his wife have swapped plates for the cam reason. He said that the cam has to match the car descript with the plate to be able to issue a ticket. Also, if he ever gets pulled over, he can innocently say "oops, wife and I accidentally put the wrong plate on the wrong car".
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a lawyer bro of mine told me that he and his wife have swapped plates for the cam reason. He said that the cam has to match the car descript with the plate to be able to issue a ticket. Also, if he ever gets pulled over, he can innocently say "oops, wife and I accidentally put the wrong plate on the wrong car".
Would be a pretty good way to get pulled over on a very regular basis, that's for sure. Also, I assume your buddy never drinks alcohol because that seems like a great way to pick up a DUI.
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a lawyer bro of mine told me that he and his wife have swapped plates for the cam reason. He said that the cam has to match the car descript with the plate to be able to issue a ticket. Also, if he ever gets pulled over, he can innocently say "oops, wife and I accidentally put the wrong plate on the wrong car".
Would be a pretty good way to get pulled over on a very regular basis, that's for sure. Also, I assume your buddy never drinks alcohol because that seems like a great way to pick up a DUI.
Hasn't been hassled as far as I know. Also, in my experience, cops are lazy. I don't think they go around just running plates and making sure they match the vehicle unless there is a reason to do so(speeding, reported stolen, etc).
Also, why would that increase his DUI risk? Again, I don't think anyone is getting pulled over for this unless there was some other reason(which would mean you are probs getting pulled over anyway).
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a lawyer bro of mine told me that he and his wife have swapped plates for the cam reason. He said that the cam has to match the car descript with the plate to be able to issue a ticket. Also, if he ever gets pulled over, he can innocently say "oops, wife and I accidentally put the wrong plate on the wrong car".
Would be a pretty good way to get pulled over on a very regular basis, that's for sure. Also, I assume your buddy never drinks alcohol because that seems like a great way to pick up a DUI.
Hasn't been hassled as far as I know. Also, in my experience, cops are lazy. I don't think they go around just running plates and making sure they match the vehicle unless there is a reason to do so(speeding, reported stolen, etc).
Also, why would that increase his DUI risk? Again, I don't think anyone is getting pulled over for this unless there was some other reason(which would mean you are probs getting pulled over anyway).
I know several people who were pulled over in Wichita a little while back because of some glitch in the DMV system. Some tags weren't getting entered correctly so they wouldn't show up at all in the system when the police ran their tags. Maybe KC is different but tons of cops (especially sheriff's officers) will just run tags as they're waiting in traffic or whatever. I would just think of it like a tag light being out. Most cops aren't going to mess with it but it is a reason for them to stop you if they want and you know how they like to stop people late at night on the weekends...
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cops run tags all the time, especially if you get a parking ticket.
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a lawyer bro of mine told me that he and his wife have swapped plates for the cam reason. He said that the cam has to match the car descript with the plate to be able to issue a ticket. Also, if he ever gets pulled over, he can innocently say "oops, wife and I accidentally put the wrong plate on the wrong car".
Would be a pretty good way to get pulled over on a very regular basis, that's for sure. Also, I assume your buddy never drinks alcohol because that seems like a great way to pick up a DUI.
Hasn't been hassled as far as I know. Also, in my experience, cops are lazy. I don't think they go around just running plates and making sure they match the vehicle unless there is a reason to do so(speeding, reported stolen, etc).
Also, why would that increase his DUI risk? Again, I don't think anyone is getting pulled over for this unless there was some other reason(which would mean you are probs getting pulled over anyway).
I know several people who were pulled over in Wichita a little while back because of some glitch in the DMV system. Some tags weren't getting entered correctly so they wouldn't show up at all in the system when the police ran their tags. Maybe KC is different but tons of cops (especially sheriff's officers) will just run tags as they're waiting in traffic or whatever. I would just think of it like a tag light being out. Most cops aren't going to mess with it but it is a reason for them to stop you if they want and you know how they like to stop people late at night on the weekends...
It's been my experience cops constantly run plates, mostly out of boredom. There's always the chance it will come back to a car reported stolen or connected to someone with a warrant or whatever. Something to pass the time.
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a lawyer bro of mine told me that he and his wife have swapped plates for the cam reason. He said that the cam has to match the car descript with the plate to be able to issue a ticket. Also, if he ever gets pulled over, he can innocently say "oops, wife and I accidentally put the wrong plate on the wrong car".
Would be a pretty good way to get pulled over on a very regular basis, that's for sure. Also, I assume your buddy never drinks alcohol because that seems like a great way to pick up a DUI.
Hasn't been hassled as far as I know. Also, in my experience, cops are lazy. I don't think they go around just running plates and making sure they match the vehicle unless there is a reason to do so(speeding, reported stolen, etc).
Also, why would that increase his DUI risk? Again, I don't think anyone is getting pulled over for this unless there was some other reason(which would mean you are probs getting pulled over anyway).
http://cjonline.com/news/2013-03-17/license-plate-readers-allow-police-quickly-scan-check-offenders
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It's been my experience cops constantly run plates, mostly out of boredom. There's always the chance it will come back to a car reported stolen or connected to someone with a warrant or whatever. Something to pass the time.
They've got mounted BBS stations now.
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It's been my experience cops constantly run plates, mostly out of boredom. There's always the chance it will come back to a car reported stolen or connected to someone with a warrant or whatever. Something to pass the time.
They've got mounted BBS LHCBS stations now.
FYP
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a lawyer bro of mine told me that he and his wife have swapped plates for the cam reason. He said that the cam has to match the car descript with the plate to be able to issue a ticket. Also, if he ever gets pulled over, he can innocently say "oops, wife and I accidentally put the wrong plate on the wrong car".
Would be a pretty good way to get pulled over on a very regular basis, that's for sure. Also, I assume your buddy never drinks alcohol because that seems like a great way to pick up a DUI.
Hasn't been hassled as far as I know. Also, in my experience, cops are lazy. I don't think they go around just running plates and making sure they match the vehicle unless there is a reason to do so(speeding, reported stolen, etc).
Also, why would that increase his DUI risk? Again, I don't think anyone is getting pulled over for this unless there was some other reason(which would mean you are probs getting pulled over anyway).
http://cjonline.com/news/2013-03-17/license-plate-readers-allow-police-quickly-scan-check-offenders
this is what i was going to mention. police on both sides of the state line use these cameras, our civil liberties be damned.
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A friend of mine got one of these notices in the mail a couple of years ago, and simply returned an affidavit saying that he wasn't driving the vehicle at the time. The ticket was dismissed. Now, however, the city has changed its ordinance. Running a photo-enforced red light is not considered a moving violation (no points on your insurance), and is instead akin to a parking ticket. the advantage of this for the city is that they can issue the ticket to the owner of the vehicle, and it theoretically doesn't matter who the operator was was.
If you've received a summons in the mail, post it here because I'd be curious to see what it says. Also, here is the complete text of the ordinance. There are a number of Exceptions to which you can attest, but I'm not sure how effective they will be in practice. Seems like the best defense should be that there is no foundation for the photo evidence, unless the city puts on testimony of an officer who was present at the scene during the date and time of the photo, who can authenticate it. No guarantees that will work, however. Municipal judges are sometimes not terribly bright, nor are they really interested in helping people dodge tickets.
Sec. 70-961. Violation of public safety at intersections and the automated photo enforcement of traffic control signal regulations.
(a) Definitions. For the purpose of this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meaning given herein:
(1) Automated photo traffic enforcement system: A system that consists of camera(s) and vehicle sensor(s) installed to work in conjunction with an electrically operated traffic control signal.
(2) Municipal Court: The Kansas City Municipal Division of the Circuit Court of Jackson County.
(3) Operator: Any person who operates or drives a motor vehicle and has the same meaning as "driver".
(4) Owner: The owner(s) of a motor vehicle as shown on the motor vehicle registration records of the Missouri Department of Revenue or the analogous department or agency of another state or country. If the operator of a stolen vehicle or a vehicle bearing stolen license plates or tags that violates this section is identified, such person shall be liable as if an owner.
(5) Recorded image: Images digitally recorded by an automated photo traffic enforcement system.
(6) System location: An intersection or other location, such as a school crosswalk controlled by a traffic signal, at which an automated photo traffic enforcement system has been installed.
(7) Traffic control signal: A traffic control device that displays red, yellow and/or green lights intended to direct traffic when to stop at or proceed through an intersection or other location.
(8) Person: The term "person" includes a corporation, firm, partnership, association, organization, governmental or quasi-governmental entity or agency, and any other group acting as a unit as well as individuals. It shall also include an executor, administrator, trustee, receiver or other representative appointed according to law.
(b) Violation of public safety at intersections.
(1) Violation. Except as otherwise provided in this section, a person commits a violation of public safety at an intersection or other system location when a motor vehicle of which that person is an owner is present in an intersection while the traffic control signal for the intersection is emitting a steady red signal for the direction of travel or orientation of that vehicle in or through the intersection or other system location.
(2) Exceptions. It shall not be a violation if:
a. The motor vehicle is in the process of making a lawful turn; or
b. The motor vehicle entered the intersection or other system location while the traffic control signal for the intersection or other system location was not emitting a steady red signal for the direction of travel or orientation of that vehicle in or through the intersection or other system location and the motor vehicle did not obstruct the passage of other vehicles or pedestrians.
(3) Violation excused. Provided however, that a violation shall be excused as provided herein upon submission of a sufficient sworn statement that the presence of the motor vehicle in the intersection or other system location was justified or excused because:
a. The traffic control signal was not in proper position and sufficiently legible to an ordinarily observant person;
b. The operator of the motor vehicle was acting in compliance with the lawful order or direction of a police officer;
c. The operator of the motor vehicle violated the instruction of the traffic control signal in order to yield the right-of-way to an immediately approaching authorized emergency vehicle;
d. The motor vehicle was being operated as part of a funeral procession pursuant to RSMo § 194.503;
e. The motor vehicle was being operated as an authorized emergency vehicle as defined and in compliance with RSMo § 304.022;
f. The motor vehicle was a stolen vehicle and being operated by a person other than the owner without the effective consent of the owner (but this shall not be a justification for such an operator) and the theft was timely reported to the appropriate law enforcement agency;
g. The license plate and/or tags depicted in the recorded image(s) were stolen and being displayed on a motor vehicle other than the motor vehicle for which they were issued (but this shall not be a justification for the operator of the motor vehicle) and the theft was timely reported to the appropriate law enforcement agency;
h. Ownership of the motor vehicle had in fact been transferred prior to the violation (provided state records substantiate this statement);
i. The motor vehicle was present in the intersection or other system location because it was inoperable or because of other exigent circumstances specifically explained in the sworn statement such as adverse weather conditions.
(4) Liability of owner. Liability hereunder is based on ownership, without regard to whether the owner was operating the motor vehicle at the time of the violation. Any registered owner, co-owner, or joint owner of such vehicle may be held either individually or jointly liable for a violation of this section, except that, as provided in RSMo § 304.120.4, no liability shall be imposed on the owner of a motor vehicle when the vehicle is being permissively used by a lessee if the owner furnishes the name, address and operator's license number of the person renting or leasing the motor vehicle at the time the violation occurred to the city within three working days from the time of receipt of written request for such information.
(5) Basis for proof of ownership. A computer terminal printout of an individual vehicle registration record through the Missouri Uniform Law Enforcement system from any department of revenue database, certified by an officer of the local law enforcement agency, or, if the motor vehicle is registered in another state or country, from the motor vehicle registration records of the department or agency of the other state or country analogous to the state department of revenue shall be admitted in evidence as to such ownership.
(6) Basis for citation. Recorded images shall constitute sufficient basis for citation and shall be admitted in evidence if, alone or in combination, they clearly show a violation of this section and the license plate and license number of the motor vehicle. (This is bullshit. The city cannot change the rules of evidence with a city ordinance. See comment at top about how the city should have to authenticate the photo)
(7) Additional use of images. Recorded images may also be used as evidence of other violations to the extent permitted by applicable law.
(c) Automated photo traffic enforcement system authorized.
(1) System authorized. An automated photo traffic enforcement system is hereby authorized to be installed and operated within the city for the purpose of detecting violations of public safety at intersections or other system locations.
(2) Locations. Specific system locations shall be determined from time to time by the director of public works in conjunction with, but not limited to, information available from the city police department of dangerous locations due to numerous traffic control ordinance violations.
(d) Examination of sworn statements.
(1) City prosecutor examination. Any sworn statement provided by an owner shall be examined by the city prosecutor.
(2) Citation withdrawn—In general. If the city prosecutor determines that a statement is sufficient, and not contrary to the applicable recorded images, then the citation shall be withdrawn and a letter to that effect shall be sent to the owner by the city.
(3) Citation withdrawn—Rental or lease vehicles. If the statement timely provides the name, address and operator's license number of any person renting or leasing the motor vehicle at the time the violation occurred, then the citation shall be withdrawn, a letter to that effect shall be sent to the owner by the city and a new citation shall be issued to the identified person together with a copy of the identifying statement, which person shall be liable hereunder as if an owner.
(4) Citation withdrawn—Stolen vehicles. If the operator of a stolen vehicle or a vehicle bearing stolen license plates or tags that violates this section is identified, such person shall be liable as if an owner.
(5) Insufficient statement. If the city prosecutor determines that a statement is insufficient including, but not limited to, a determination based upon a comparison of the statement to the recorded image(s), then a letter shall be sent to the owner (any or all of them) at its last known address by first class U.S. mail, postage prepaid, by the city indicating that the statement was insufficient and the fine specified in this section must be paid at the appropriate time and place in the city within 30 days of the date of the letter and shall inform the owner that absent such payment the owner will receive a summons to appear before the municipal court regarding the citation.
(e) Penalty. Any citation not resolved by a voluntary plea of guilt and payment of fine or otherwise resolved as provided herein shall be considered by the municipal court in accordance with applicable law. In addition to the justifications and excuses identified herein, the municipal court may consider any and all relevant facts and applicable law in resolving such citations. Notwithstanding any other provision of the code of ordinances, the fine for the infraction of violation of public safety at an intersection shall be set by the municipal court from time to time on the schedule for the traffic violations bureau (TVB), but not less than $100.00. Incarceration is not authorized.
(f) Warning signs. An automated photo traffic enforcement system may be identified by advance warning signs posted at entrances to the city and/or at specific system locations, if the director of public works determines that such signs will enhance the efficacy of the system. Absence of such signs shall not provide justification for or excuse a violation.
(g) Failure to respond to citation. Any person who:
(1) Fails to either:
a. Respond to a citation or letter issued under this section by timely payment of fine or by timely and sufficient statement as described herein, or
b. Appear in related municipal court proceedings; or
(2) Submits a false sworn statement hereunder,
shall be subject to arrest under a duly issued bench warrant issued by the municipal court and subject to prosecution for failure to respond to citation in the municipal court for violation of this section. (This means don't just ignore the citation, or a bench warrant will be issued for your arrest)
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nobody is going to read that, kkkcat
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a lawyer bro of mine told me that he and his wife have swapped plates for the cam reason. He said that the cam has to match the car descript with the plate to be able to issue a ticket. Also, if he ever gets pulled over, he can innocently say "oops, wife and I accidentally put the wrong plate on the wrong car".
Would be a pretty good way to get pulled over on a very regular basis, that's for sure. Also, I assume your buddy never drinks alcohol because that seems like a great way to pick up a DUI.
Hasn't been hassled as far as I know. Also, in my experience, cops are lazy :opcat:. I don't think they go around just running plates and making sure they match the vehicle unless there is a reason to do so(speeding, reported stolen, driver isn't white etc).
Also, why would that increase his DUI risk? Again, I don't think anyone is getting pulled over for this unless there was some other reason(which would mean you are probs getting pulled over anyway).
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nobody is going to read that, kkkcat
They might if they get a summons in the mail. And thanks for the kkk moniker. You stay classy, OK Cat.
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Try getting a speeding ticket from another state that you were just driving through mailed to you :blindfold:
Lol. That is easy. No letter, no court, no payment. Just throw it away.
Wasn't in any rush. Still haven't paid it, to the trash it goes....
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Try getting a speeding ticket from another state that you were just driving through mailed to you :blindfold:
Lol. That is easy. No letter, no court, no payment. Just throw it away.
Wasn't in any rush. Still haven't paid it, to the trash it goes....
pay it. MOST states are now linked and a warrant in another state can and will be enforced and can cause you to lose your license here. Not like the old days any more...
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Interesting that they would differentiate between camera monitored intersections and regular ones. If I ran a red light at a non - monitored intersection, I'd be pissed if it was considered a moving violation.
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Try getting a speeding ticket from another state that you were just driving through mailed to you :blindfold:
Lol. That is easy. No letter, no court, no payment. Just throw it away.
Wasn't in any rush. Still haven't paid it, to the trash it goes....
pay it. MOST states are now linked and a warrant in another state can and will be enforced and can cause you to lose your license here. Not like the old days any more...
Unless it was sent via certified mail how do they know you actually received it?
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Try getting a speeding ticket from another state that you were just driving through mailed to you :blindfold:
Lol. That is easy. No letter, no court, no payment. Just throw it away.
Wasn't in any rush. Still haven't paid it, to the trash it goes....
pay it. MOST states are now linked and a warrant in another state can and will be enforced and can cause you to lose your license here. Not like the old days any more...
Admittedly, it has been about 10 yrs since I did this, but it has worked very well for me since.
That said, one of my employees did get busted at the entrance to Fort Leavenworth two yrs ago for having an outstanding ticket in some lake county in south Missouri. They wouldn't allow him on base until it was paid. Pfft.
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Had my license in KS suspended for not paying a MO ticket once about 7 or 8 years ago.
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Had my license in KS suspended for not paying a MO ticket once about 7 or 8 years ago.
That sucks. I have had like 4 tickets since and nothing has been brought up to me about it at all.
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Try getting a speeding ticket from another state that you were just driving through mailed to you :blindfold:
Lol. That is easy. No letter, no court, no payment. Just throw it away.
Wasn't in any rush. Still haven't paid it, to the trash it goes....
pay it. MOST states are now linked and a warrant in another state can and will be enforced and can cause you to lose your license here. Not like the old days any more...
Unless it was sent via certified mail how do they know you actually received it?
Not sure how, but they still issue warrants for stuff like that. Not a biggie, just pay the fine and whatever extra fees are attached. Just hope you don't get booked on a weekend night or something because it will take a while for them to process you regardless.
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rough ridin' Colorado screwed me out of some uber cheap auto insurance. :curse:
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a lawyer bro of mine told me that he and his wife have swapped plates for the cam reason. He said that the cam has to match the car descript with the plate to be able to issue a ticket. Also, if he ever gets pulled over, he can innocently say "oops, wife and I accidentally put the wrong plate on the wrong car".
:nono: First thing a cop does on a stop is run the plates. If they don't match, you then move to an unpleasant conversation with officer friendly. Almost all instances of switched plates are indicators of auto theft, and will make the officer very alert and sensitive.
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a lawyer bro of mine told me that he and his wife have swapped plates for the cam reason. He said that the cam has to match the car descript with the plate to be able to issue a ticket. Also, if he ever gets pulled over, he can innocently say "oops, wife and I accidentally put the wrong plate on the wrong car".
:nono: First thing a cop does on a stop is run the plates. If they don't match, you then move to an unpleasant conversation with officer friendly. Almost all instances of switched plates are indicators of auto theft, and will make the officer very alert and sensitive.
Um, where do I go with this one....
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a lawyer bro of mine told me that he and his wife have swapped plates for the cam reason. He said that the cam has to match the car descript with the plate to be able to issue a ticket. Also, if he ever gets pulled over, he can innocently say "oops, wife and I accidentally put the wrong plate on the wrong car".
:nono: First thing a cop does on a stop is run the plates. If they don't match, you then move to an unpleasant conversation with officer friendly. Almost all instances of switched plates are indicators of auto theft, and will make the officer very alert and sensitive.
Um, where do I go with this one....
Not touchy-feely sensitive, more like "step out of the vehicle" sensitive. Respond poorly at that, then officer friendly begins to mentally evaluate how much force they will need to use to make you comply, like "baton your ass" sensitive.
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How many deaf-mute drivers are batoned every year?
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Try getting a speeding ticket from another state that you were just driving through mailed to you :blindfold:
Lol. That is easy. No letter, no court, no payment. Just throw it away.
Wasn't in any rush. Still haven't paid it, to the trash it goes....
pay it. MOST states are now linked and a warrant in another state can and will be enforced and can cause you to lose your license here. Not like the old days any more...
Admittedly, it has been about 10 yrs since I did this, but it has worked very well for me since.
That said, one of my employees did get busted at the entrance to Fort Leavenworth two yrs ago for having an outstanding ticket in some lake county in south Missouri. They wouldn't allow him on base until it was paid. Pfft.
yeah, see that kind of stuff regularly at Forbes, though depending on the warrant and your record, they will sometimes invite the Sheriff out to give you a free ride too.
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Try getting a speeding ticket from another state that you were just driving through mailed to you :blindfold:
Lol. That is easy. No letter, no court, no payment. Just throw it away.
Wasn't in any rush. Still haven't paid it, to the trash it goes....
pay it. MOST states are now linked and a warrant in another state can and will be enforced and can cause you to lose your license here. Not like the old days any more...
Unless it was sent via certified mail how do they know you actually received it?
they don't care. you will be summonsed all the same.
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a lawyer bro of mine told me that he and his wife have swapped plates for the cam reason. He said that the cam has to match the car descript with the plate to be able to issue a ticket. Also, if he ever gets pulled over, he can innocently say "oops, wife and I accidentally put the wrong plate on the wrong car".
:nono: First thing a cop does on a stop is run the plates. If they don't match, you then move to an unpleasant conversation with officer friendly. Almost all instances of switched plates are indicators of auto theft, and will make the officer very alert and sensitive.
Um, where do I go with this one....
Not touchy-feely sensitive, more like "step out of the vehicle" sensitive. Respond poorly at that, then officer friendly begins to mentally evaluate how much force they will need to use to make you comply, like "baton your ass" sensitive.
Well, I would like to think they would be alert and sensitive before they baton'd my ass. Otherwise, I would just feel dirty about the whole thing.
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Mine was at Highway 71 and Bannister. I was going to Home Depot to buy a shop vac.
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Mine was at Highway 71 and Bannister. I was going to Home Depot to buy a shop vac.
yeah, you got a ticket, but think of all the extra time you were able to spend vacuuming.
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Missouri Court of Appeals strikes down municipal red-light camera ordinance, reversing its own decision a few years back. http://www.courts.mo.gov/file.jsp?id=67236 (http://www.courts.mo.gov/file.jsp?id=67236)
To recap, one of the initial problems with camera citations was that it was pretty easy to get out of them - just say you weren't driving the vehicle and the city could hardly prove otherwise. So, cities developed a clever scheme to treat these as non-moving violations. By not assessing points to an individual's license, they could instead simply fine the registered owner(s) of the vehicle, much like a parking ticket, and never have to prove that they were actually operating the vehicle at the time. Kansas City and St. Louis followed suit.
The Missouri Court of Appeals initially upheld the scheme, but has now reversed itself in a subsequent case. It has concluded that the municipal ordinances are contrary to state law, which evidently requires that points be assessed to licenses for running red lights. I was hoping the court would reach the more common-sense conclusion that's it just stupid to pretend that running a red light is a non-moving violation (how is that possible?), but at least the Kansas City ordinance is invalid, for now.