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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Please on May 20, 2013, 06:57:10 PM
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Just curious.. A lot has happened since 2002.
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Probably.
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i think he probably will too. agree with unruly here. never underestimate the ol' ball coach over there in lil' ol' manhattan kansas, also known as titletown. for me though, and i'm being honest here, bowl game wins has never been a metric i paid much attention to. sure it'd be great to win them all but they're really only exhibition games, save for 1 of them, and mean nothing.
big 12 trophs are the measure of a gridiron man.
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Is there financial reward for winning the game? If not it probably won't happen on purpose anyway
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i think he probably will too. agree with unruly here. never underestimate the ol' ball coach over there in lil' ol' manhattan kansas, also known as titletown. for me though, and i'm being honest here, bowl game wins has never been a metric i paid much attention to. sure it'd be great to win them all but they're really only exhibition games, save for 1 of them, and mean nothing.
big 12 trophs are the measure of a gridiron man.
:thumbs:
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You know you're elite when you haven't won in the postseason since 2002.
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more importantly, who cares?
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I do not care if he never wins another bowl game. Just keep having the wonderful seasons that lead to them.
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Elite schools shoot for conference championships (3 division and 2 dr peps) and 10 win seasons (up to 9 now!!). We don't really care about the result of exhibition games. Weve been to so many they all kind of blend together. Only one counts. The trips are fun though.
You'll get there KU.
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really don't care
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the chances that snyder wins another bowl game are better than the chances that ol' charles will take ku to a bowl game.
hope that answers your question well enough.
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You know you're elite when you haven't won in the postseason since 2002.
Or a conference championship in 45 years.
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I don't know. I doubt it, really. For whatever reason, ever since '02, Snydes just has been a bad bowl coach. I don't know whether it's easier for teams to prepare for our offenses now or Snyder outthinks himself, but we always underperform in bowl games. A lot of people here say it doesn't bother them, but it does bother me.
Bowl games, especially awesome bowl games (cotton, fiesta, etc) are a blast to go to, but they're not as fun when you don't win. Fun, but not as fun. I love Snyder to death, but he needs to figure out a way to win bowl games, or those huge crowds that travel over a thousand miles each year are going to start to dwindle.
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Having said that, fantastic moments during regular seasons are far and away better than any bowl game i've been to, even the ones we win. Outside of the National Championship, there is nothing like a great regular season conference W.
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You know you're elite when you haven't won in the postseason since 2002.
Or a conference championship in 45 years.
Its hard to see someone in such obvious pain cry out for help over and over again, and theres nothing you can do :bawl:
We're here for you when you want to talk about it, beems.
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Unless it's a national championship bowl, I don't really care about bowl games. I would much rather have a Big 12 championship over a bowl win.
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Some teams try to prepare for bowl wins and some teams try to prepare for conference titles and natties. I guess if winning the aloha bowl feels your needs, good for you! If you won the big 12 and have no shot at the natty, than prepare for the next season in your exhibition game. The outcome doesn't matter, we all know the natty comes down to the elites, if you're not in it, than prepare for next season, the chowder puff bowls are for teams trying to break .500.
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I do not care if he never wins another bowl game. Just keep having the wonderful seasons that lead to them.
this sums it up well. the bowl game, to me, is nothing more than a chance to celebrate everything that led up to it. and no one, outside of ku fans, remember who was in what bowl game last season, let alone who won and lost them. it's sad and pathetic that they think they've got a talking point on their hands.
i pity ku fans, i really honestly pity each and every single one of them.
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Look at the enraged #20straightconferencelosses/#45years fans. :lol:
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Can you imagine having to trot out the women's track thing again and again. That was to kill him inside. I honestly can't believe he has continued it.
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I don't know. I doubt it, really. For whatever reason, ever since '02, Snydes just has been a bad bowl coach. I don't know whether it's easier for teams to prepare for our offenses now or Snyder outthinks himself, but we always underperform in bowl games. A lot of people here say it doesn't bother them, but it does bother me.
Bowl games, especially awesome bowl games (cotton, fiesta, etc) are a blast to go to, but they're not as fun when you don't win. Fun, but not as fun. I love Snyder to death, but he needs to figure out a way to win bowl games, or those huge crowds that travel over a thousand miles each year are going to start to dwindle.
Looks like we've found the one honest, non-butthurt, good person on goEMAW. No surprise that he goes to Illinois now. Once you escape from the propaganda in Butthurtville, you start to see life differently.
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I don't know. I doubt it, really. For whatever reason, ever since '02, Snydes just has been a bad bowl coach. I don't know whether it's easier for teams to prepare for our offenses now or Snyder outthinks himself, but we always underperform in bowl games. A lot of people here say it doesn't bother them, but it does bother me.
Bowl games, especially awesome bowl games (cotton, fiesta, etc) are a blast to go to, but they're not as fun when you don't win. Fun, but not as fun. I love Snyder to death, but he needs to figure out a way to win bowl games, or those huge crowds that travel over a thousand miles each year are going to start to dwindle.
Stars win bowl games. Imo, this is where the cruit strategy gets us in troubs.
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The entire nation celebrates college football. We tear conferences apart on account of college football. To have a team that wins on Saturdays is a truly a joy.
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
:lol:
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Jesus that is a humiliating list. Just terrible. Un-American, even.
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Jesus that is a humiliating list. Just terrible. Un-American, even.
you would think a coach or two would have gotten fired because of that ridiculousness.
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Jesus that is a humiliating list. Just terrible. Un-American, even.
Outscored 1320 to 558 :lol:
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
:lol:
photoshopped
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i mean how can you get beat that many times by ISU, it defies logic
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Their Big 10 audition (getting ass rammed by Nebraska) went as planned. :dunno:
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I don't know. I doubt it, really. For whatever reason, ever since '02, Snydes just has been a bad bowl coach. I don't know whether it's easier for teams to prepare for our offenses now or Snyder outthinks himself, but we always underperform in bowl games. A lot of people here say it doesn't bother them, but it does bother me.
Bowl games, especially awesome bowl games (cotton, fiesta, etc) are a blast to go to, but they're not as fun when you don't win. Fun, but not as fun. I love Snyder to death, but he needs to figure out a way to win bowl games, or those huge crowds that travel over a thousand miles each year are going to start to dwindle.
Looks like we've found the one honest, non-butthurt, good person on goEMAW. No surprise that he goes to Illinois now. Once you escape from the propaganda in Butthurtville, you start to see life differently.
I should add an addendum here, that I'd rather lose any better bowl game than win any lesser bowl game. I.E., I'd rather lose the fiesta than win the cotton, I'd rather lose the cotton than win the alamo, etc. etc.
Which makes the whole "bowl record" talking point kind of meaningless, i think.
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Snyds problem right now, IMHO, is that his teams do so well they end up playing in really good bowl games against really challenging opponents, thus reducing the likelihood of victory to a near crap shoot. He should tank a game or two so we can get one of those sweetheart acc or big ten matchups, where victory is certain.. Unfortunately, even then, Cat fans are so widespread, abundant and transient, and are such a prominent household name and national draw that we'd probably get stuck in an elite bowl game anyways.
Quite the conundrum, but a great one to be in. Will take.
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ku has a really good shot at setting the most losses in the history of college football ever record this season, good luck fellas.
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The absurdly long layoff between the end of the season and the start of bowl season hurts teams that run unconventional offenses and benefits teams with elite defenses. Preparing for KSU and our offense over one week is a lot different than preparing for KSU and our offense over one month. But that's not an excuse for the Fiesta Bowl - Oregon also runs an unusual offense, and they're equally disadvantaged by the long layoff. Our defense did pretty good against their offense largely because we had a month to study it. They just had more than enough speed on defense to shut us down, and the long practice time guaranteed their coaches had enough time to show them every single look and wrinkle in our offense so they were disciplined and prepared for anything we threw at them. Didn't help that Klein had spaghetti brains or that for some stupid rough ridin' reason Sean decided to kick off to DeAnthony Thomas.
The off time definitely hurt us against Pig Aggie, though. Their offense wasn't anything special to prepare for but our offense was the first of its kind that Pig Aggie had seen all season, so the long practice time was beneficial for them and detrimental for us.
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New idea: We use our next 4 bowl games as "audition games" for folks who have their eyes on being the next HC of the KSU Football team. Let Bill take a load off and let these young bucks show us if they're up for the challenge
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
:lol:
quite staggering really
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
:lol:
quite staggering really
Hawk fans keep talking about how they're improving, but it appears they're getting worse, which I didn't think was possible. SMH
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
:lol:
quite staggering really
That list makes my brain hurt. KU is also 36-102 all time in Big 12. K-State won their 36th conference game on November 3rd, 2001.
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Honest question. Has HCBS won more bowl games than KU in its history? To lazy to look it up. I know he's been to more.
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Just to put this in perspective... Colorado has won a Big-12 conference game more recently than KU has.
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
:lol:
quite staggering really
It's time to go to FCS if they can't put at least one W on the board in conference this year. I'm 100% serious.
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Just to put this in perspective... Colorado has won a Big-12 conference game more recently than KU has.
Rice has beaten a big 12 team more recently than KU has... it just goes on and on.
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
:lol:
quite staggering really
That list makes my brain hurt. KU is also 36-102 all time in Big 12. K-State won their 36th conference game on November 3rd, 2001.
bws, that's a post I like. Well said and well done.
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Just to put this in perspective... Colorado has won a Big-12 conference game more recently than KU has.
Rice has beaten a big 12 team more recently than KU has... it just goes on and on.
The point being Colorado left the Big-12 3 years ago.
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Just to put this in perspective... Colorado has won a Big-12 conference game more recently than KU has.
Rice has beaten a big 12 team more recently than KU has... it just goes on and on.
The point being Colorado left the Big-12 3 years ago.
you're as dense as ednksu sometimes.
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Just to put this in perspective... Colorado has won a Big-12 conference game more recently than KU has.
Rice has beaten a big 12 team more recently than KU has... it just goes on and on.
The point being Colorado left the Big-12 3 years ago.
you're as dense as ednksu sometimes.
:facepalm:
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
:lol:
quite staggering really
That list makes my brain hurt. KU is also 36-102 all time in Big 12. K-State won their 36th conference game on November 3rd, 2001.
bws, that's a post I like. Well said and well done.
It's sort of misleading, though. It's not like KU just won their 36th game. That was a couple of years ago.
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Bowl games, especially awesome bowl games (cotton, fiesta, etc) are a blast to go to, but they're not as fun when you don't win. Fun, but not as fun. I love Snyder to death, but he needs to figure out a way to win bowl games, or those huge crowds that travel over a thousand miles each year are going to start to dwindle.
yeah, right. :lol:
if k-state played middle tennessee state in the Alaska Bowl, the place would be packed with purple.
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
:lol:
average margin of defeat: 24.81 points.
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Unless you're playing for a BCS Title, who honestly cares if you win your bowl game? I don't.
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Unless you're playing for a BCS Title, who honestly cares if you win your bowl game? I don't.
I'm sure KU fans are still ecstatic over that 2005 Forth Worth Bowl victory againt Houston! What a game that was!!
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
Was at the 10/27/12 game against Texas. Nearly inexplicable that KU blew that one. The Hawks just expect to lose at this point, which is self-fulfilling.
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
Was at the 10/27/12 game against Texas. Nearly inexplicable that KU blew that one. The Hawks just expect to lose at this point, which is self-fulfilling.
I watched that from the east lot before our game. I remember the crowd all standing there watching, completely befuddled. It was like when Ben Stiller in "There's Something About Mary" zipped up his dick/balls, and somehow got the beans above the frank.
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
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quite staggering really
That list makes my brain hurt. KU is also 36-102 all time in Big 12. K-State won their 36th conference game on November 3rd, 2001.
:sdeek:
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The list literally rivals if not surpasses on a conference level the pinnacle of the the Futility U era nearly 30 years ago, and ku played an integral role in the Toilet Bowl Days, being the other half of the Toilet Bowl. The only thing that seperates that list from the pinnacle of the Toilet Bowl days is a sprinkling of non conference wins, one GT should have fired their coach on the spot win, and one win where CU could have taken a knee the whole 4th qtr choke job.
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Man, when you look at it on paper, you really realize how putrid they are.
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Getting to those high prestige bowl games is enough for me. You can lose your bowl game and still being ranked in preseason top 20 the following year, even when you return close to nothing
So......I don't care too much. Exposure was big enough, you know?
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The list literally rivals if not surpasses on a conference level the pinnacle of the the Futility U era nearly 30 years ago, and ku played an integral role in the Toilet Bowl Days, being the other half of the Toilet Bowl. The only thing that seperates that list from the pinnacle of the Toilet Bowl days is a sprinkling of non conference wins, one GT should have fired their coach on the spot win, and one win where CU could have taken a knee the whole 4th qtr choke job.
I give no fucks of any kind about any games played while I was in diapers or playing my atari.
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Hard to believe such a shitty program could still own the all-time series vs. K-State by 25 games, and still doesn't come close to matching K-State in all-time losses. If anyone knows futility, it's K-State fans.
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Hard to believe such a shitty program could still own the all-time series vs. K-State by 25 games, and still doesn't come close to matching K-State in all-time losses. If anyone knows futility, it's K-State fans.
You're goddamn right. Which is why when we say your program is the Nu Futility U, you should listen.
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To Snyds, bowl game wins are meaningless. It's all about the extra month of practice for next regular season. Get better every day.
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herp derp we beat you guys before there were helmets in football
:jerk: stupid rough ridin' talking point. whats the series at since you and i have been alive? congrats on the big win in 1934... you mustve partied your balls off, beems.
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herp derp we beat you guys before there were helmets in football
:jerk: stupid rough ridin' talking point. whats the series at since you and i have been alive? congrats on the big win in 1934... you mustve partied your balls off, beems.
It's an inconvenient truth for the propaganda machine of goEMAW... I know. KU was 4-1 vs K-State while I was in school, so I guess I'll just close my eyes and pretend like those are the only years that matter. See how this works?
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herp derp we beat you guys before there were helmets in football
:jerk: stupid rough ridin' talking point. whats the series at since you and i have been alive? congrats on the big win in 1934... you mustve partied your balls off, beems.
It's an inconvenient truth for the propaganda machine of goEMAW... I know. KU was 4-1 vs K-State while I was in school, so I guess I'll just close my eyes and pretend like those are the only years that matter. See how this works?
while youve got your eyes closed you might pray for a confy win this year? :dunno:
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I call bull crap. I don't think he closed his eyes.
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Thank goodness K-State decided to share the academic flagship status with its little brother so KSU could focus more on the sports that matter.
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Answered my own question: Snyder has won 6 bowl games, which equals KU's historical total.
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Answered my own question: Snyder has won 6 bowl games, which equals KU's historical total.
:eek: :lol:
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Answered my own question: Snyder has won 6 bowl games, which equals KU's historical total.
The Cats also have 4 more bowl appearances. Reaching the post season is more of a sign of success, no?
I thoroughly do not understand the Bowl/BCS KU talking point. Are we all suppose to look at the list Dax posted and read Beem's talking point an go "You're right, KU does have a good Football program, and knows how to consistently win"
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this is such bullshit because ku would have gone to like, a million bowls if they had bowls in place in the early 1900's.
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Also another fun fact, Since the 82 season KSU has gone to 16 bowl games, while KU has gone to 6.
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Answered my own question: Snyder has won 6 bowl games, which equals KU's historical total.
The Cats also have 4 more bowl appearances. Reaching the post season is more of a sign of success, no?
I thoroughly do not understand the Bowl/BCS KU talking point. Are we all suppose to look at the list Dax posted and read Beem's talking point an go "You're right, KU does have a good Football program, and knows how to consistently win"
We've been to more bowls in one state alone (Arizona, 3 Fiestas and 2 of the copper/insight) than KU (4) has been total since they've been in the Big 12. The stats really never end regarding their ineptitude. One more, they only have 8 total wins over former south division teams in Big 12 history. Or roughly as many as we have against Texas alone (7 or 8 i forgot).
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How many years do you have to go back before they start to take the advantage in head to head wins? I'd guess late 60's.
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Hard to believe such a shitty program could still own the all-time series vs. K-State by 25 games, and still doesn't come close to matching K-State in all-time losses. If anyone knows futility, it's K-State fans.
That's exactly how I feel about Texas fans. We own the all time series against them even harder than you guys own the Sunflower Showdown Series. Oh, man it must suck to be poor old irrelevant Texas.
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Hard to believe such a shitty program could still own the all-time series vs. K-State by 25 games, and still doesn't come close to matching K-State in all-time losses. If anyone knows futility, it's K-State fans.
Beems, K-State has lost 615 games, KU has lost 580. With your almost guaranteed continued run of 9+ loss seasons you'll surpass us in losses in less than five years.
Also since you guys always like to bring up your one BCS bowl win, since the formation of the BCS in 1998
K-State is 121-68. KU is 72 -107.
Thanks bud.
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How many years do you have to go back before they start to take the advantage in head to head wins? I'd guess late 60's.
Dax did this last summer IIRC, and I think you're about right.
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Hard to believe such a shitty program could still own the all-time series vs. K-State by 25 games, and still doesn't come close to matching K-State in all-time losses. If anyone knows futility, it's K-State fans.
Beems, K-State has lost 615 games, KU has lost 580. With your almost guaranteed continued run of 9+ loss seasons you'll surpass us in losses in less than five years.
Also since you guys always like to bring up your one BCS bowl win, since the formation of the BCS in 1998
K-State is 121-68. KU is 72 -107.
Thanks bud.
Kinda tough to believe we've lost that many games since 1998.
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You guys love to talk recent history, so let's do it. In the last 10 years, K-State has had three seasons worthy of tough guy talk ('03, '11, and '12). The other seasons in that stretch were mediocre at best. As for KU, we've had one season in the last 10 years worthy of tough guy talk ('07). The other seasons in that stretch were disgraceful to mediocre. K-State is 6-4 vs. KU in the past 10 years. The main difference between the two programs is that K-State's lows haven't been as low as KU's. Turner Gill was a much worse coach than Ron Prince, without a doubt.
All that being said, KU has consistently out-recruited K-State in the past few years, despite having worse teams. What this tells me is that KU is a more attractive program for athletes in terms of facilities and playing time. Snyder and K-State do a better job of developing talent and recruiting guys who can excel in one area and play a vital role in the team's overall success. Harper and Brown were big-time talents, but those guys transferred in after going elsewhere. K-State isn't stockpiling that type of talent on its roster.
In my opinion, the reason why K-State fans are constantly obsessing over KU is because you guys know that in the blink of an eye, things can swing the other direction. Look no further than the '03 to '04 seasons, where K-State went from Big 12 champs to 4-7 (with a loss in Lawrence). I see some similarities from that season to this upcoming year. K-State will have to replace a bunch of playmakers on defense and the heart of its offense. Weis and KU were very close to beating Texas and Texas Tech last year, and also came within a TD of beating a pretty good Oklahoma State team (insert joke about moral victories here). Deep down inside, K-State fans know that KU has capable athletes (Sims, Pierson, Heaps, McCay, Combs), and an offense that could be really good if given the right coaching. K-State fans have now convinced themselves that the program is now just some well-oiled machine that will dominate everyone for the next decade, but I think you might be in for a rude awakening if that's your expectation.
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In my opinion, the reason why K-State fans are constantly obsessing over KU is because you guys know that in the blink of an eye, things can swing the other direction. Look no further than the '03 to '04 seasons, where K-State went from Big 12 champs to 4-7 (with a loss in Lawrence). I see some similarities from that season to this upcoming year. K-State will have to replace a bunch of playmakers on defense and the heart of its offense. Weis and KU were very close to beating Texas and Texas Tech last year, and also came within a TD of beating a pretty good Oklahoma State team (insert joke about moral victories here). Deep down inside, K-State fans know that KU has capable athletes (Sims, Pierson, Heaps, McCay, Combs), and an offense that could be really good if given the right coaching. K-State fans have now convinced themselves that the program is now just some well-oiled machine that will dominate everyone for the next decade, but I think you might be in for a rude awakening if that's your expectation.
I'll readily admit KU has capable athletes, but of the 5 you listed, only 2 have ever shown on the field they're capable. Pierson and Sims are legitimately very good backs. That other kid who transferred prior to last year was another very good back. But in college, good running backs are a dime a dozen. I'm taking a wait and see approach with Heaps, McCay and Combs.
I don't obsess over KU. I take interest in just how bad KU has been over the last few years because it's quickly approaching a historical status - if KU goes 0 fer again in conference this year, they tie turn of the century Baylor for the longest losing streak in Big 12 history. The not having won a road conference game since W was in office is also interesting. I hope K-State beats KU every year because they're our rival and it's fun to hate your rival and it's fun to beat your rival, especially when your rival is a great college basketball power house.
Regarding KU: there will be years in the future where KU will rise up and have a mediocre year, and every once in a while, have a great year like '07, because that's just how things go. I don't think those years are coming up for KU, because I think Weis is a loser at the college level, but who knows.
I wouldn't say K-State's program is some "well oil-machine," but it's about as strong as its ever been, even at the height of the "DOD." Snyder won't be around forever, but I'm confident that Athletic Department will be much more conservative about its hire the next go around, and by that I mean, it's going to be somebody in the Snyder tree. I'm convinced that's the only way games can be won at a Kansas school - the Snyder way. So if it's Del, or whomever (save for Sean), they will have coached under Bill and hopefully will have learned enough about the way he's done it to transition K-State into the next era.
When Bill retires, the program will certainly be at a crossroads, but anyone afraid that things are going to permanently swing in the other direction is kidding themselves. K-State will simply not accept football being poor, whereas KU has shown they will. K-State fans and the administration make football the head honcho in the AD, and for that reason alone, K-State football is here to stay. Maybe not at an elite level year in and year out, but certainly at a "good level."
TLDR: KU will continue to be consistently mediocre at best and K-State will be consistently mediocre at worst because K-State takes football seriously and KU doesn't.
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Jesus, we are so far in beems head. "Almost beat TT and Texas"- beems aka Weis is building a rough ridin' monster!
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In my opinion, the reason why K-State fans are constantly obsessing over KU is because you guys know that in the blink of an eye, things can swing the other direction. Look no further than the '03 to '04 seasons, where K-State went from Big 12 champs to 4-7 (with a loss in Lawrence). I see some similarities from that season to this upcoming year. K-State will have to replace a bunch of playmakers on defense and the heart of its offense. Weis and KU were very close to beating Texas and Texas Tech last year, and also came within a TD of beating a pretty good Oklahoma State team (insert joke about moral victories here). Deep down inside, K-State fans know that KU has capable athletes (Sims, Pierson, Heaps, McCay, Combs), and an offense that could be really good if given the right coaching. K-State fans have now convinced themselves that the program is now just some well-oiled machine that will dominate everyone for the next decade, but I think you might be in for a rude awakening if that's your expectation.
I'll readily admit KU has capable athletes, but of the 5 you listed, only 2 have ever shown on the field they're capable. Pierson and Sims are legitimately very good backs. That other kid who transferred prior to last year was another very good back. But in college, good running backs are a dime a dozen. I'm taking a wait and see approach with Heaps, McCay and Combs.
I don't obsess over KU. I take interest in just how bad KU has been over the last few years because it's quickly approaching a historical status - if KU goes 0 fer again in conference this year, they tie turn of the century Baylor for the longest losing streak in Big 12 history. The not having won a road conference game since W was in office is also interesting. I hope K-State beats KU every year because they're our rival and it's fun to hate your rival and it's fun to beat your rival, especially when your rival is a great college basketball power house.
Regarding KU: there will be years in the future where KU will rise up and have a mediocre year, and every once in a while, have a great year like '07, because that's just how things go. I don't think those years are coming up for KU, because I think Weis is a loser at the college level, but who knows.
I wouldn't say K-State's program is some "well oil-machine," but it's about as strong as its ever been, even at the height of the "DOD." Snyder won't be around forever, but I'm confident that Athletic Department will be much more conservative about its hire the next go around, and by that I mean, it's going to be somebody in the Snyder tree. I'm convinced that's the only way games can be won at a Kansas school - the Snyder way. So if it's Del, or whomever (save for Sean), they will have coached under Bill and hopefully will have learned enough about the way he's done it to transition K-State into the next era.
When Bill retires, the program will certainly be at a crossroads, but anyone afraid that things are going to permanently swing in the other direction is kidding themselves. K-State will simply not accept football being poor, whereas KU has shown they will. K-State fans and the administration make football the head honcho in the AD, and for that reason alone, K-State football is here to stay. Maybe not at an elite level year in and year out, but certainly at a "good level."
TLDR: KU will continue to be mediocre at best and K-State will be mediocre at worst because K-State takes football seriously and KU doesn't.
That's just not true. Gill was fired after only two years. KU fans won't accept poor football any more than any other fanbase. The days of hoping that Terry Allen can succeed are over. KU will fire Weis if he doesn't perform next year. We will simply keep trying until we get it right. The track issue at the stadium is currently being addressed and the investments for football are coming.
As for K-State, you don't know what the future holds. K-State fans thought you guys were on solid footing after Snyder won your last Big 12 title in '03, and within two years, after back-to-back losing seasons, Snyder was gone. You can hope like hell that one of Snyder's guys picks right up where Bill left off, and you can hope like hell that K-State stays mediocre at worst, but nothing is certain in this day and age of college athletics. Texas is finding this out the hard way right now.
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Jesus, we are so far in beems head. "Almost beat TT and Texas"- beams aka Weis is building a rough ridin' monster!
Thanks for offering absolutely nothing to this discussion. You spend more time talking about me than you do about K-State.
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Charlie isn't getting fired, for all the obvious reasons
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Where is the investments for football coming from for ku? Have to win games for a ticket scandal to work.
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Gill was fired after only two years. KU fans won't accept poor football any more than any other fanbase. The days of hoping that Terry Allen can succeed are over. KU will fire Weis if he doesn't perform next year.
KU won't fire Weis next year. He could lose every single game and get one more year. The only reason they fired Gill after two years is because he was black.
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Gill was fired after only two years. KU fans won't accept poor football any more than any other fanbase. The days of hoping that Terry Allen can succeed are over. KU will fire Weis if he doesn't perform next year.
KU won't fire Weis next year. He could lose every single game and get one more year. The only reason they fired Gill after two years is because he was black.
Only at ku the white guy wins 1 freaking game (against a pud team) and they call it improvement
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That's just not true. Gill was fired after only two years. KU fans won't accept poor football any more than any other fanbase. The days of hoping that Terry Allen can succeed are over. KU will fire Weis if he doesn't perform next year. We will simply keep trying until we get it right. The track issue at the stadium is currently being addressed and the investments for football are coming.
As for K-State, you don't know what the future holds. K-State fans thought you guys were on solid footing after Snyder won your last Big 12 title in '03, and within two years, after back-to-back losing seasons, Snyder was gone. You can hope like hell that one of Snyder's guys picks right up where Bill left off, and you can hope like hell that K-State stays mediocre at worst, but nothing is certain in this day and age of college athletics. Texas is finding this out the hard way right now.
Please. The track has been in "currently being addressed" status for about a decade. Firing your coach doesn't show a commitment. If KU gave a crap, they would've gotten rid of that POS track 10 years ago and actually built the gridiron club. Instead, they wheeled in a doublewide, put some lazy boys on the piece of crap, and called it good enough. I understand they built the weightroom thing, but the point still stands. It wasn't a zero sum game there.
KU kids, by and large, don't care about football and I don't blame them. It's the same reason Duke kids don't care about football and the same reason Alabama kids don't care about basketball. Being dominant in a sport has a price. You have to understand, OS, that being a KU fan who is at all invested in KU football, you're the exception. KU football is a complete joke to the vast majority of KU fans, and especially within the student body. Sure there are other dudes out there who care about Rock Chalk Saturdays, but then again, i'm sure there are some diehard KU lady indoor track enthusiasts too. K-State isn't like that. Ever since the early 90s, K-State fans and the University itself became addicted to the drug of good football. KU has never been hooked on that drug, and imo, so long as Self keeps winning #xstraight they never will.
K-State needs football. KU doesn't.
My dad always says, the best thing for good K-State football is good KU basketball, and I think there's an element of truth to that.
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Hardest thing for KU right now isn't firing a coach, it would be finding a replacement.
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That's just not true. Gill was fired after only two years. KU fans won't accept poor football any more than any other fanbase. The days of hoping that Terry Allen can succeed are over. KU will fire Weis if he doesn't perform next year. We will simply keep trying until we get it right. The track issue at the stadium is currently being addressed and the investments for football are coming.
As for K-State, you don't know what the future holds. K-State fans thought you guys were on solid footing after Snyder won your last Big 12 title in '03, and within two years, after back-to-back losing seasons, Snyder was gone. You can hope like hell that one of Snyder's guys picks right up where Bill left off, and you can hope like hell that K-State stays mediocre at worst, but nothing is certain in this day and age of college athletics. Texas is finding this out the hard way right now.
Please. The track has been in "currently being addressed" status for about a decade. Firing your coach doesn't show a commitment. If KU gave a crap, they would've gotten rid of that POS track 10 years ago and actually built the gridiron club. Instead, they wheeled in a doublewide, put some lazy boys on the piece of crap, and called it good enough. I understand they built the weightroom thing, but the point still stands. It wasn't a zero sum game there.
KU kids, by and large, don't care about football and I don't blame them. It's the same reason Duke kids don't care about football and the same reason Alabama kids don't care about basketball. Being dominant in a sport has a price. You have to understand, OS, that being a KU fan who is at all invested in KU football, you're the exception. KU football is a complete joke to the vast majority of KU fans, and especially within the student body. Sure there are other dudes out there who care about Rock Chalk Saturdays, but then again, i'm sure there are some diehard KU lady indoor track enthusiasts too. K-State isn't like that. Ever since the early 90s, K-State fans and the University itself became addicted to the drug of good football. KU has never been hooked on that drug, and imo, so long as Self keeps winning #xstraight they never will.
K-State needs football. KU doesn't.
My dad always says, the best thing for good K-State football is good KU basketball, and I think there's an element of truth to that.
Welp, I completely disagree. The last time that KU football was really good, we also won the national championship in basketball. Louisville joined the BCS Bowl/national championship combo club this year as well. Teams can win in both sports.
You're right in the sense that KU didn't start caring about football until probably 5-10 years ago, when Mangino had things rolling. The first stage of improvement came with the $34 million football complex, and the next stage was set for the Gridiron Club (which obviously never came to fruition). KU is currently building a $39 million olympic sports complex, which will allow us to upgrade Memorial Stadium in the near future. KU hosts the Kansas Relays, so we can't just remove the track right now and throw our other sports programs under the bus. K-State's stadium wasn't anything to write home about until the recent upgrades that are currently under construction. You have a completely false and biased sense of what K-State is as a football program.
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Welp, I completely disagree.
Hey that happens sometimes between friends. You may be right. I may be right.
Who knows.
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That's just not true. Gill was fired after only two years. KU fans won't accept poor football any more than any other fanbase. The days of hoping that Terry Allen can succeed are over. KU will fire Weis if he doesn't perform next year. We will simply keep trying until we get it right. The track issue at the stadium is currently being addressed and the investments for football are coming.
As for K-State, you don't know what the future holds. K-State fans thought you guys were on solid footing after Snyder won your last Big 12 title in '03, and within two years, after back-to-back losing seasons, Snyder was gone. You can hope like hell that one of Snyder's guys picks right up where Bill left off, and you can hope like hell that K-State stays mediocre at worst, but nothing is certain in this day and age of college athletics. Texas is finding this out the hard way right now.
Please. The track has been in "currently being addressed" status for about a decade. Firing your coach doesn't show a commitment. If KU gave a crap, they would've gotten rid of that POS track 10 years ago and actually built the gridiron club. Instead, they wheeled in a doublewide, put some lazy boys on the piece of crap, and called it good enough. I understand they built the weightroom thing, but the point still stands. It wasn't a zero sum game there.
KU kids, by and large, don't care about football and I don't blame them. It's the same reason Duke kids don't care about football and the same reason Alabama kids don't care about basketball. Being dominant in a sport has a price. You have to understand, OS, that being a KU fan who is at all invested in KU football, you're the exception. KU football is a complete joke to the vast majority of KU fans, and especially within the student body. Sure there are other dudes out there who care about Rock Chalk Saturdays, but then again, i'm sure there are some diehard KU lady indoor track enthusiasts too. K-State isn't like that. Ever since the early 90s, K-State fans and the University itself became addicted to the drug of good football. KU has never been hooked on that drug, and imo, so long as Self keeps winning #xstraight they never will.
K-State needs football. KU doesn't.
My dad always says, the best thing for good K-State football is good KU basketball, and I think there's an element of truth to that.
Welp, I completely disagree. The last time that KU football was really good, we also won the national championship in basketball. Louisville joined the BCS Bowl/national championship combo club this year as well. Teams can win in both sports.
You're right in the sense that KU didn't start caring about football until probably 5-10 years ago, when Mangino had things rolling. The first stage of improvement came with the $34 million football complex, and the next stage was set for the Gridiron Club (which obviously never came to fruition). KU is currently building a $39 million olympic sports complex, which will allow us to upgrade Memorial Stadium in the near future. KU hosts the Kansas Relays, so we can't just remove the track right now and throw our other sports programs under the bus. K-State's stadium wasn't anything to write home about until the recent upgrades that are currently under construction. You have a completely false and biased sense of what K-State is a football program.
Pretty sure you are biased, ku built a football complex because everyone else already had one. Kstate is building perhaps the nicest press box in the country. Ku is trying to keep up, kstate is about to lap them
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It's not even fair to compare the two programs as they currently exist. KSU is light years ahead in prestige, success, coaching, fan support and stadium. KU hasnt won a conf game in two years. That is just shocking. To try and compare that to a team that has only lost what, three conf games in two years?
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It's not even fair to compare the two programs as they currently exist. KSU is light years ahead in prestige, success, coaching, fan support and stadium. KU hasnt won a conf game in two years. That is just shocking. To try and compare that to a team that has only lost what, three conf games in two years?
We are basically the exact same.
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Weiss is trying to live off of JUCOS and transfers
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Weiss is trying to live off of JUCOS and transfers
Arthur Brown, Chris Harper, Nigel Malone, Bubba Chapman, Angelo Pease, Juatin Tuggle. Brah we are exactly the same.
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Hardest thing for KU right now isn't firing a coach, it would be finding a replacement.
Harbaugh!!
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Jesus, we are so far in beems head. "Almost beat TT and Texas"- beams aka Weis is building a rough ridin' monster!
Thanks for offering absolutely nothing to this discussion. You spend more time talking about me than you do about K-State.
Beems, your talking points are exhausting. Your butthurt is off the charts. We've already covered the "KU has more talent than K-State" talking point year after year and the results have proven you're a naive dumbass.
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Beems is correct, I am very concerned Chuck will stick with Heaps until they roll in to their Super bowl at 2-9 and then ambush us with Cummings running a run first spread after months of Big 12 passing O's.
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Jesus, we are so far in beems head. "Almost beat TT and Texas"- beams aka Weis is building a rough ridin' monster!
Thanks for offering absolutely nothing to this discussion. You spend more time talking about me than you do about K-State.
Beems, your talking points are exhausting. Your butthurt is off the charts. We've already covered the "KU has more talent than K-State" talking point year after year and the results have proven you're a naive dumbass.
You don't have enough going on upstairs to rumble with the big boys, which is why over half of your posts get relegated to the Birther Pit.
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Jesus, we are so far in beems head. "Almost beat TT and Texas"- beams aka Weis is building a rough ridin' monster!
Thanks for offering absolutely nothing to this discussion. You spend more time talking about me than you do about K-State.
Beems, your talking points are exhausting. Your butthurt is off the charts. We've already covered the "KU has more talent than K-State" talking point year after year and the results have proven you're a naive dumbass.
You don't have enough going on upstairs to rumble with the big boys, which is why over half of your posts get relegated to the Birther Pit.
My posts haven't been sent to the pit for over two years now and that's when I was doing fanning stuff. Your schtick gets old and your butthurt needs a plastic surgeon for repairs. In your mind, it's still 2008.
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You guys love to talk recent history, so let's do it. In the last 10 years, K-State has had three seasons worthy of tough guy talk ('03, '11, and '12). The other seasons in that stretch were mediocre at best. As for KU, we've had one season in the last 10 years worthy of tough guy talk ('07). The other seasons in that stretch were disgraceful to mediocre. K-State is 6-4 vs. KU in the past 10 years. The main difference between the two programs is that K-State's lows haven't been as low as KU's. Turner Gill was a much worse coach than Ron Prince, without a doubt.
All that being said, KU has consistently out-recruited K-State in the past few years, despite having worse teams. What this tells me is that KU is a more attractive program for athletes in terms of facilities and playing time. Snyder and K-State do a better job of developing talent and recruiting guys who can excel in one area and play a vital role in the team's overall success. Harper and Brown were big-time talents, but those guys transferred in after going elsewhere. K-State isn't stockpiling that type of talent on its roster.
In my opinion, the reason why K-State fans are constantly obsessing over KU is because you guys know that in the blink of an eye, things can swing the other direction. Look no further than the '03 to '04 seasons, where K-State went from Big 12 champs to 4-7 (with a loss in Lawrence). I see some similarities from that season to this upcoming year. K-State will have to replace a bunch of playmakers on defense and the heart of its offense. Weis and KU were very close to beating Texas and Texas Tech last year, and also came within a TD of beating a pretty good Oklahoma State team (insert joke about moral victories here). Deep down inside, K-State fans know that KU has capable athletes (Sims, Pierson, Heaps, McCay, Combs), and an offense that could be really good if given the right coaching. K-State fans have now convinced themselves that the program is now just some well-oiled machine that will dominate everyone for the next decade, but I think you might be in for a rude awakening if that's your expectation.
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The KU has more talent thing is so dumb. If KU had more talent than KSU then they would win a lot of games and go to big time bowls like us.
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The KU has more talent thing is so dumb. If KU had more talent than KSU then they would win a lot of games and go to big time bowls like us.
Yup, but they've been banging that drum for years. However, they almost beat Texas and TT so this monster is close to being out of control.
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The KU has more talent thing is so dumb. If KU had more talent than KSU then they would win a lot of games and go to big time bowls like us.
Yup, but they've been banging that drum for years. However, they almost beat Texas and TT so this monster is close to being out of control.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2013/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2013/all/all)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2010/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2010/all/all)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2009/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2009/all/all)
If you were capable of rational thought, you might be able to accept the fact that K-State and Snyder are just better at developing talent than KU. KU has had better recruiting classes on paper, though. The cupboard isn't as bare as you guys like to make it seem.
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Beems, i think you are discounting just how shitty the WRSOAT is. I think that is outside the realm of K-state.
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The KU has more talent thing is so dumb. If KU had more talent than KSU then they would win a lot of games and go to big time bowls like us.
Yup, but they've been banging that drum for years. However, they almost beat Texas and TT so this monster is close to being out of control.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2013/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2013/all/all)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2010/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2010/all/all)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2009/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2009/all/all)
If you were capable of rational thought, you might be able to accept the fact that K-State and Snyder are just better at developing talent than KU. KU has had better recruiting classes on paper, though. The cupboard isn't as bare as you guys like to make it seem.
You're blind and ignorant if you take what the pundits say as gospel. The results speak for themselves.
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Imagine how bad a coach would have to be to go 1-11 with a team that had more talent than the conference champion. Yikes.
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Plus, no one has said the cupboard is bare at ku, no one.
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I know "what's on paper" beems. You spent a whole off season banging the Crist drum and his 5 stars. As much as it sucks we aren't landing "rivals monsters"! It's refreshing to know that Snyder should be the CEO of rivals. Ala Jordy Nelson, Ty Zimmerman, etc.
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Imagine how bad a coach would have to be to go 1-11 with a team that had more talent than the conference champion. Yikes.
The guy is 17-32 in his last 4 seasons as a D1 head football coach and guys like Beems get all shitty because people have the audacity to question Chaz's COLLEGE head coaching ability.
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WTF is this farm Humpty thing bmwjhawk keeps talking about? Am I missing something?
Also, BMwJhAWk, you're missing the point regarding talent. Nobody is saying your players didn't score out well on rivals, or scout, or wherever you cherry pick rankings from. Its that clearly the players Snyder gets are by and large more talented, which is why they are unequivocally better at football. KState players are demonstrably faster, quicker, stronger, larger and more agile than Ku players. Do you even watch the games? They are laughers. Part of it is scheme, but a lot of it is talent. When you see 3 heart Collin Klein pulling away from 4 star Ku safety (macdougald?) down the sideline is you're thought process honestly, "well at least macdougald is more talented"?
Also, what's your end game here? Are you really trying to convince people that Ku and kstate are nearly equal in talent? Because that's laughable to a disinterested third party, let alone on a kstate message board.
This is the last remotely serious thing I will post on goE for the next 25 days.
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But FSD, you're discounting all of Weis's rings, dumbass.
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Butthurt kstate fans gon butthurt I guess
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The proof is in the pudding :bill:
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But FSD, you're discounting all of Weis's rings, dumbass.
I'm sure Mrs. Snyder has some very nice jewelry of her own.
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Weiss must be one pathetic coach.
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The KU has more talent thing is so dumb. If KU had more talent than KSU then they would win a lot of games and go to big time bowls like us.
Yup, but they've been banging that drum for years. However, they almost beat Texas and TT so this monster is close to being out of control.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2013/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2013/all/all)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2010/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2010/all/all)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2009/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2009/all/all)
If you were capable of rational thought, you might be able to accept the fact that K-State and Snyder are just better at developing talent than KU. KU has had better recruiting classes on paper, though. The cupboard isn't as bare as you guys like to make it seem.
It has nothing to do with developing talent. Snyder is better at finding hidden talent than anyone else on the planet. He's definitely better at it than Gill, Weis, or Rivals.com. Our players are just better, beems.
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Weis couldn't win with legitimately elite talent/recruiting classes at Notre Dame, don't know why anyone expects him to with KU's classes. Not predicting another 1-11 season for KU, but come on - he couldn't succeed when he was getting nothing but **** and ***** guys, so the "We have better classes" talking point doesn't really translate to wins.
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The KU has more talent thing is so dumb. If KU had more talent than KSU then they would win a lot of games and go to big time bowls like us.
Yup, but they've been banging that drum for years. However, they almost beat Texas and TT so this monster is close to being out of control.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2013/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2013/all/all)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2010/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2010/all/all)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2009/all/all (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/teamrank/2009/all/all)
If you were capable of rational thought, you might be able to accept the fact that K-State and Snyder are just better at developing talent than KU. KU has had better recruiting classes on paper, though. The cupboard isn't as bare as you guys like to make it seem.
It is a well documented fact that recruiting in that range is more about hearsay than actual talent levels. You think some pud yahoo employee can really accurately rank the 50th to 60th ranked DEs in the nation? It comes down to who has the most offers and they work backwards from there... then most of those offers beget other offers, even further inflating their evaluation.
If you were capable of objective thought, you'd consider the possibility that the bane of KU's football program isn't some long line of lemon-flavored-coaches. That, given all the money KU is willing to throw at coaching/staff, that perhaps snob-u isn't as attractive to football recruits as you think.
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To sum up beems in this thread:
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"Our team is more talented and our program is better. K-State has accomplished nothing in football. It does not matter that KU is experiencing one of the worst stretches in conference history. Move along."
Not buying it beems. :shakesfist:
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In my opinion, the reason why K-State fans are constantly obsessing over KU is because you guys know that in the blink of an eye, things can swing the other direction. Look no further than the '03 to '04 seasons, where K-State went from Big 12 champs to 4-7 (with a loss in Lawrence). I see some similarities from that season to this upcoming year. K-State will have to replace a bunch of playmakers on defense and the heart of its offense. Weis and KU were very close to beating Texas and Texas Tech last year, and also came within a TD of beating a pretty good Oklahoma State team (insert joke about moral victories here). Deep down inside, K-State fans know that KU has capable athletes (Sims, Pierson, Heaps, McCay, Combs), and an offense that could be really good if given the right coaching. K-State fans have now convinced themselves that the program is now just some well-oiled machine that will dominate everyone for the next decade, but I think you might be in for a rude awakening if that's your expectation.
I'll readily admit KU has capable athletes, but of the 5 you listed, only 2 have ever shown on the field they're capable. Pierson and Sims are legitimately very good backs. That other kid who transferred prior to last year was another very good back. But in college, good running backs are a dime a dozen. I'm taking a wait and see approach with Heaps, McCay and Combs.
I don't obsess over KU. I take interest in just how bad KU has been over the last few years because it's quickly approaching a historical status - if KU goes 0 fer again in conference this year, they tie turn of the century Baylor for the longest losing streak in Big 12 history. The not having won a road conference game since W was in office is also interesting. I hope K-State beats KU every year because they're our rival and it's fun to hate your rival and it's fun to beat your rival, especially when your rival is a great college basketball power house.
Regarding KU: there will be years in the future where KU will rise up and have a mediocre year, and every once in a while, have a great year like '07, because that's just how things go. I don't think those years are coming up for KU, because I think Weis is a loser at the college level, but who knows.
I wouldn't say K-State's program is some "well oil-machine," but it's about as strong as its ever been, even at the height of the "DOD." Snyder won't be around forever, but I'm confident that Athletic Department will be much more conservative about its hire the next go around, and by that I mean, it's going to be somebody in the Snyder tree. I'm convinced that's the only way games can be won at a Kansas school - the Snyder way. So if it's Del, or whomever (save for Sean), they will have coached under Bill and hopefully will have learned enough about the way he's done it to transition K-State into the next era.
When Bill retires, the program will certainly be at a crossroads, but anyone afraid that things are going to permanently swing in the other direction is kidding themselves. K-State will simply not accept football being poor, whereas KU has shown they will. K-State fans and the administration make football the head honcho in the AD, and for that reason alone, K-State football is here to stay. Maybe not at an elite level year in and year out, but certainly at a "good level."
TLDR: KU will continue to be mediocre at best and K-State will be mediocre at worst because K-State takes football seriously and KU doesn't.
That's just not true. Gill was fired after only two years. KU fans won't accept poor football any more than any other fanbase. The days of hoping that Terry Allen can succeed are over. KU will fire Weis if he doesn't perform next year. We will simply keep trying until we get it right. The track issue at the stadium is currently being addressed and the investments for football are coming.
As for K-State, you don't know what the future holds. K-State fans thought you guys were on solid footing after Snyder won your last Big 12 title in '03, and within two years, after back-to-back losing seasons, Snyder was gone. You can hope like hell that one of Snyder's guys picks right up where Bill left off, and you can hope like hell that K-State stays mediocre at worst, but nothing is certain in this day and age of college athletics. Texas is finding this out the hard way right now.
I just love you guys!!! :love:
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Man, you know your program is bad when clone fans can look down on you and smile.
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Does Ben really think that higher recruiting ranking=more talent?
:facepalm:
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Does Ben really think that higher recruiting ranking=more talent?
:facepalm:
Does he think KSU fans, of all people, GAF?
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After looking through the 2009 list, I'll take a number 92 class any year if that's how they turn out.
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You guys love to talk recent history, so let's do it. In the last 10 years, K-State has had three seasons worthy of tough guy talk ('03, '11, and '12). The other seasons in that stretch were mediocre at best. As for KU, we've had one season in the last 10 years worthy of tough guy talk ('07). The other seasons in that stretch were disgraceful to mediocre. K-State is 6-4 vs. KU in the past 10 years. The main difference between the two programs is that K-State's lows haven't been as low as KU's. Turner Gill was a much worse coach than Ron Prince, without a doubt.
like, what year do you think it is? weve had 10 win seasons the last two years and we can get drunk in our baseball stadium. we ARE tough guys.
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How many years do you have to go back before they start to take the advantage in head to head wins? I'd guess late 60's.
1962. Fifty games ago.
Looking at it from the other end, KU started off owning KSU. KU led the series 17-1-3, after the 1923 game. Brutal. And in the ninety years since, KU leads 47-40-2. Most of the difference really did come in the leather helmet era.
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Weiss is trying to live off of JUCOS and transfers
Sounds delish. How does he prepare them?
FATJOKE!
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How many years do you have to go back before they start to take the advantage in head to head wins? I'd guess late 60's.
1962. Fifty games ago.
Looking at it from the other end, KU started off owning KSU. KU led the series 17-1-3, after the 1923 game. Brutal. And in the ninety years since, KU leads 47-40-2. Most of the difference really did come in the leather helmet era.
Interesting to say the least.
They are pretty badass to have a 7 game lead over the last 90 years. Kudos to KU.
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How many years do you have to go back before they start to take the advantage in head to head wins? I'd guess late 60's.
1962. Fifty games ago.
Looking at it from the other end, KU started off owning KSU. KU led the series 17-1-3, after the 1923 game. Brutal. And in the ninety years since, KU leads 47-40-2. Most of the difference really did come in the leather helmet era.
If you say the average fan becomes truly into cfb at age 10 (prolly to early but the maths is hard enough) he would need to be over 60 years old to say KU has won the game more in his sports following lifetime.
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
:lol:
This is ineptitude at a monumental level... Only 8 times in that stretch have they stayed within 2 touchdowns.
:sdeek:
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Kansas:
L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34
L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35
L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42
L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17
L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31
L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51
L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41
L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55
L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59
L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45
L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28
W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 :excited:
L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20
L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St.48
L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35
L 10/1/2011 34 Texas Tech 45
L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70
L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47
L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59
L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43
L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13
L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31
L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61
L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24
L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56
L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20
L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52
L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21
L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41
L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41
L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51
L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59
:lol:
This is ineptitude at a monumental level... Only 8 times in that stretch have they stayed within 2 touchdowns.
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So Gill is the best coach during this streak....
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here's their 2013 schedule. if they don't win their first game, they're not going to win any this year either
Tech
@ TCU
OU
Baylor
@ UT
@ OSU
WVU
@ ISU
KSU
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here's their 2013 schedule. if they don't win their first game, they're not going to win any this year either
Tech
@ TCU
OU
Baylor
@ UT
@ OSU
WVU
@ ISU
KSU
WVU could be a winnable game, doubtful but out of that list that game and ISU are the only two i could see them even hanging close in
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ISU will beat KU by 40.
Write it down.
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here's their 2013 schedule. if they don't win their first game, they're not going to win any this year either
Tech
@ TCU
OU
Baylor
@ UT
@ OSU
WVU
@ ISU
KSU
WVU could be a winnable game, doubtful but out of that list that game and ISU are the only two i could see them even hanging close in
remember this- i don't like kliff kingsbury
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here's their 2013 schedule. if they don't win their first game, they're not going to win any this year either
Tech
@ TCU
OU
Baylor
@ UT
@ OSU
WVU
@ ISU
KSU
WVU could be a winnable game, doubtful but out of that list that game and ISU are the only two i could see them even hanging close in
remember this- i don't like kliff kingsbury
noted, and hey I'm TSC'ing this thing as hard as I can but ISU is the only team around KU's talent level, if that game was in lawrence its probably 50/50. Looks like another year of facepalms over there, they just need some time.
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Kliff has that game circled with bright red permanent marker(thick line, KK doesn't roll with thin line) and added a hand written hashtag in front of it.
Tech is winning that game.
#wreckshop
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Yeah, their talent level is extremely low right now.
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here's their 2013 schedule. if they don't win their first game, they're not going to win any this year either
Tech
@ TCU
OU
Baylor
@ UT
@ OSU
WVU
@ ISU
KSU
WVU could be a winnable game, doubtful but out of that list that game and ISU are the only two i could see them even hanging close in
remember this- i don't like kliff kingsbury
I don't either. I hadn't considered that as being a possible winner for KU, but breaking in a new (very young) coach with what i imagine will be at least a slightly different offensive system, on the road...could be tough. Wouldn't be shocked to see the line on that game less than 7.5.
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ISU will beat KU by 40.
Write it down.
I just wrote it down... on a sticky note, and placed that sticky note on the side of my secondary computer monitor.
I wonder what the dumbasses at this company will do with that note when I resign in a couple weeks for a new, better job.
:fatty:
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I think KU wins one this year, even if they lose to Tech. They would have won 1-2 games last year if Weis would have just managed the games better and played his best QB all year.
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even if, by some miracle, they escape the Tech game with a win, they certainly aren't going to go to TCU and win, nor will the beat OU/Baylor at home, or Texas/Ok State on the road. imagine the mindset of a team who just went 1-6 as they line up against WVU.
effectively, their season is over after the Tech game is what i'm saying.
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even if, by some miracle, they escape the Tech game with a win, they certainly aren't going to go to TCU and win, nor will the beat OU/Baylor at home, or Texas/Ok State on the road. imagine the mindset of a team who just went 1-6 as they line up against WVU.
effectively, their season is over after the Tech game is what i'm saying.
West Virginia will have faced
@OU (L)
OSU (L)
@Baylor (L)
Tech (toss up)
@KSU (L)
@TCU (L)
Texas (toss up)
before facing KU. Those two will be at the bottom of the conference when they square off. It could be a very competitive game.
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Stud Ubbs knows the talent answer:
KANSAS
2011: Picked 10th in the Big 12, finished at 2-10 and 10th in the Big 12.
2012: Picked 10th in the Big 12, finished at 1-11 and 10th in the Big 12.
2013: Picked 10th in the Big 12.
None of those are difficult selections that required much thought. The talent gap between Kansas and the rest of the Big 12 has been large since the end of 2009.