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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: j rake on April 10, 2013, 10:49:57 AM
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asked a friend this yesterday: "would you rather have oscar weber or geno auriemma coaching ksu hoops?"
like, if geno expressed interest, would you want him?
i would take him.
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pat summitt
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pat summitt
she has dementia. :frown:
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pat summitt
she has dementia. :frown:
hmmm, well, scratch her off the list probably
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pat summitt
she has dementia. :frown:
At least she would have a good excuse for not using her last timeout.
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asked a friend this yesterday: "would you rather have oscar weber or geno auriemma coaching ksu hoops?"
like, if geno expressed interest, would you want him?
i would take him.
tough call, but probably. I mean I wanted a TV star to be our coach for goodness' sake.
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We already chased a big meanie out of town.
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pat summitt
she has dementia. :frown:
hmmm, well, scratch her off the list probably
Year by year contract. Let her go when she officially loses her crap
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to answer the original question....probably oscar, but I am not real confident in that decision.
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Louisville women's coach.
note: I've only seen two of their games.
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Louisville women's coach.
note: I've only seen two of their games.
Did you see the one where they lost by the most points in women's nc game history?
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Louisville women's coach.
note: I've only seen two of their games.
Did you see the one where they lost by the most points in women's nc game history?
NOPE.
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Louisville women's coach.
note: I've only seen two of their games.
Did you see the one where they lost by the most points in women's nc game history?
Please, for the sake of argument, compare/contrast this to losing to Nubb by a bagillion.
TIA.
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pat summitt
she has dementia. :frown:
At least she would have a good excuse for not using her last timeout.
:lol:
I feel sad for loling at that
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oscar
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i always wondered the locker room sitch in ladies hoops with a male coach. does he wait until they are changed or whatever?
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i always wondered the locker room sitch in ladies hoops with a male coach. does he wait until they are changed or whatever?
he's seen penises before
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i always wondered the locker room sitch in ladies hoops with a male coach. does he wait until they are changed or whatever?
he's seen penises before
not your best post, bread.
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i always wondered the locker room sitch in ladies hoops with a male coach. does he wait until they are changed or whatever?
he's seen penises before
not your best post, bread.
Definitely not his worst, I loled :dunno:
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i always wondered the locker room sitch in ladies hoops with a male coach. does he wait until they are changed or whatever?
he's seen penises before
smh
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i always wondered the locker room sitch in ladies hoops with a male coach. does he wait until they are changed or whatever?
he's seen penises before
not your best post, bread.
Definitely not his worst, I loled :dunno:
it made me laugh
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asked a friend this yesterday: "would you rather have oscar weber or geno auriemma coaching ksu hoops?"
like, if geno expressed interest, would you want him?
i would take him.
Is this assuming Scott Drew is not available?
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All of you that wanted Gottlieb but answer oscar to this question are.
1. Sexist
2. Hypocrites
3. Morons
I don't mean one or two but all three.
All of the reasons you wanted Doug over oscar apply to Geno as well except he has 8 titles. I'm disappointed on the lack of critical thinking here. You dumbasses hate women's basketball more than you enjoy exercising consistency and common sense.
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I feel like rake asked this question to humiliate the board and you all fell right in line
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ENTRAPMENT!
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I would take Geno over oscar, because he's not a proven loser. I wouldn't be that impressed with the hire, though. It would be the equivalent of going out and hiring Larry Kehres to coach our football team. I'm still pretty bummed we don't have The Hurricane coaching our basketball team.
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I feel like rake asked this question to humiliate the board and you all fell right in line
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MY ANSWER, MIR?
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All of you that wanted Gottlieb but answer oscar to this question are.
1. Sexist
2. Hypocrites
3. Morons
I don't mean one or two but all three.
All of the reasons you wanted Doug over oscar apply to Geno as well except he has 8 titles. I'm disappointed on the lack of critical thinking here. You dumbasses hate women's basketball more than you enjoy exercising consistency and common sense.
This is such bullshit. Two different people. Thought that part was obvious.
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I prefer oscar out of all 3 choices. I'm the opposite of sexist, hypocritical and moronic. :gocho:
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I feel like rake asked this question to humiliate the board and you all fell right in line
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MY ANSWER, MIR?
Jeff Walz is pretty boss but he isn't the star Geno is and the nc count is 8-0. He's never beat Geno
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i always wondered the locker room sitch in ladies hoops with a male coach. does he wait until they are changed or whatever?
he's seen penises before
not your best post, bread.
Definitely not his worst, I loled :dunno:
it made me laugh
Made me laugh too :thumbs:
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I feel like rake asked this question to humiliate the board and you all fell right in line
eff YOU I PICKED GENO
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I would take a geno hiring as a "at least he's not a proven loser" type of attitude. but I'd be butthurt when phog.net made fun of us about it.
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I feel like rake asked this question to humiliate the board and you all fell right in line
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MY ANSWER, MIR?
Jeff Walz is pretty boss but he isn't the star Geno is and the nc count is 8-0. He's never beat Geno
What would you think if Currie hired Larry Kehres to replace LHC Bill Snyder?
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All of you that wanted Gottlieb but answer oscar to this question are.
1. Sexist
2. Hypocrites
3. Morons
I don't mean one or two but all three.
All of the reasons you wanted Doug over oscar apply to Geno as well except he has 8 titles. I'm disappointed on the lack of critical thinking here. You dumbasses hate women's basketball more than you enjoy exercising consistency and common sense.
None of the reasons I wanted Gottlieb apply to Geno.
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I feel like rake asked this question to humiliate the board and you all fell right in line
rake would never start a bait thread on gE.
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never heard of this geno person. i've heard of oscar weber.
guess i'm a sexist, hypocritical moron.
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I feel like rake asked this question to humiliate the board and you all fell right in line
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MY ANSWER, MIR?
Jeff Walz is pretty boss but he isn't the star Geno is and the nc count is 8-0. He's never beat Geno
:cool:
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Has there ever been a coach that crossed over from women's bb to men's? I can't think of one off the top of my head.
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I would just like to reiterate that in no way, shape, or form do Geno and Gottlieb bring the same things to the table at K-State.
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if we had Geno they would call our guys girls. I just couldn't handle that.
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I prefer oscar out of all 3 choices. I'm the opposite of sexist, hypocritical and moronic. :gocho:
Actually I thought of you when I made my first post. You are absolutely one of the posters who could pick oscar over Geno and not be a complete hypocrite, I should have listed you actually along with Dax and CC although I feel like Dax was more interested in being a contrarian than anything else. So :cheers:
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I feel like rake asked this question to humiliate the board and you all fell right in line
eff YOU I PICKED GENO
Yes you did!
I feel like rake asked this question to humiliate the board and you all fell right in line
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MY ANSWER, MIR?
Jeff Walz is pretty boss but he isn't the star Geno is and the nc count is 8-0. He's never beat Geno
What would you think if Currie hired Larry Kehres to replace LHC Bill Snyder?
I have no idea who that is. Is he a D2 football coach? I;m guessing this is an inexact comparison. They questions I have to ask are 1. do we think Snyder is doomed to fail like most think about oscar and 2. Does this Kehres guy exhibit the exact opposite traits that we make fun of Snyder for? Like is he young, a great recruiter and isn't down with nepotism? and 3. Is he literally the greatest winner at the level of whatever sport he coaches?
If the answer to all of these questions is YES than sure I'm down, but I'm not a good judge because I'm likely not going to care nearly as much who replaces Snyder as I did with this last basketball hire.
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I'm betting Geno wouldn't take the job
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I would just like to reiterate that in no way, shape, or form do Geno and Gottlieb bring the same things to the table at K-State.
Are you going to elaborate? I was an pro-Gottlieb as anyone and continue to be, but I would take Geno over him too. Geno would give us a higher media profile than either of the two. Geno isn't awkward, make excuses, eat chicken nuggets, recruit poorly, run a bland offense, have an annoying voice, or all of those other things oscar gets made fun of for.
The only thing I can think of that you can even attempt to make somewhat of a legitimate argument for Doug over Geno is if you think he is more connected to potential GOOD assistants and has the ability to lure them here to work under him. Frankly, I don't know how either of us can make that argument because in both cases frankly it's a wildcard. Doug mentioned his brother and Doug Wojic, you can't definitively state those two are better than anyone Geno could bring in.
People were/are mad about the oscar hire because we hired a low risk/low reward retread and we needed to take a high risk/high reward hire both oscar and Geno fit that description.
I'd love to hear your reasoning that is seemingly different from every other thing I've heard on here the last year. Would also be interested to know if you had this fresh perspective why would you hold it out until now?
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I would just like to reiterate that in no way, shape, or form do Geno and Gottlieb bring the same things to the table at K-State.
Are you going to elaborate? I was an pro-Gottlieb as anyone and continue to be, but I would take Geno over him too. Geno would give us a higher media profile than either of the two. Geno isn't awkward, make excuses, eat chicken nuggets, recruit poorly, run a bland offense, have an annoying voice, or all of those other things oscar gets made fun of for.
The only thing I can think of that you can even attempt to make somewhat of a legitimate argument for Doug over Geno is if you think he is more connected to potential GOOD assistants and has the ability to lure them here to work under him. Frankly, I don't know how either of us can make that argument because in both cases frankly it's a wildcard. Doug mentioned his brother and Doug Wojic, you can't definitively state those two are better than anyone Geno could bring in.
People were/are mad about the oscar hire because we hired a low risk/low reward retread and we needed to take a high risk/high reward hire both oscar and Geno fit that description.
I'd love to hear your reasoning that is seemingly different from every other thing I've heard on here the last year. Would also be interested to know if you had this fresh perspective why would you hold it out until now?
I think established D1 assistants would be more open to Gottlieb because of sexism.
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never heard of this geno person. i've heard of oscar weber.
guess i'm a sexist, hypocritical moron.
Cool so you can add either; most sheltered sports dumb person ever, or liar to your list, pick either one I don't care.
I'm betting Geno wouldn't take the job
He absolutely wouldn't. He's reportedly turned down other men's jobs.
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I would just like to reiterate that in no way, shape, or form do Geno and Gottlieb bring the same things to the table at K-State.
Are you going to elaborate? I was an pro-Gottlieb as anyone and continue to be, but I would take Geno over him too. Geno would give us a higher media profile than either of the two. Geno isn't awkward, make excuses, eat chicken nuggets, recruit poorly, run a bland offense, have an annoying voice, or all of those other things oscar gets made fun of for.
The only thing I can think of that you can even attempt to make somewhat of a legitimate argument for Doug over Geno is if you think he is more connected to potential GOOD assistants and has the ability to lure them here to work under him. Frankly, I don't know how either of us can make that argument because in both cases frankly it's a wildcard. Doug mentioned his brother and Doug Wojic, you can't definitively state those two are better than anyone Geno could bring in.
People were/are mad about the oscar hire because we hired a low risk/low reward retread and we needed to take a high risk/high reward hire both oscar and Geno fit that description.
I'd love to hear your reasoning that is seemingly different from every other thing I've heard on here the last year. Would also be interested to know if you had this fresh perspective why would you hold it out until now?
I think established D1 assistants would be more open to Gottlieb because of sexism.
Maybe, but it's just as likely that they wouldn't work for Doug because he hasn't "paid his dues."
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Maybe, but it's just as likely that they wouldn't work for Doug because he hasn't "paid his dues."
I don't think that's as likely. Plus Gottlieb probably knows more D1 assistants personally from his work in media.
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geno might be great at motivating women, but hey- what's it take? a few nice pieces of jewelry and some flowers? an new vacuum?
motivating a man is a different story and geno hasn't proven squat as it relates to the men's game. basketball is a game played by men, and women that try to be men. truth hurts sometimes.
advantage: king oscar. vote: king oscar.
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I guess I just see them as two different types of games that wouldn't translate. Gottlieb has experience in the game he would be coaching at KSU and Geno doesn't. Gottlieb has recruiting and coaching connections in that game and Geno doesn't. Gottlieb played that game under a legendary coach and Geno didn't. Gottlieb spent years watching it, researching it, analyzing it, and commentating on it and Geno didn't. I hate elaborating.
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geno might be great at motivating women, but hey- what's it take? a few nice pieces of jewelry and some flowers? an new vacuum?
motivating a man is a different story and geno hasn't proven squat as it relates to the men's game. basketball is a game played by men, and women that try to be men. truth hurts sometimes.
advantage: king oscar. vote: king oscar.
I'm quite sure the preferred nomenclature is lady dudes. What the eff is this the Middle Ages around here? :facepalm: Next thing you know 'clams is going to be spouting off about prima nocta and whether that's a recruiting violation.
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I guess I just see them as two different types of games that wouldn't translate. Gottlieb has experience in the game he would be coaching at KSU and Geno doesn't. Gottlieb has recruiting and coaching connections in that game and Geno doesn't. Gottlieb played that game under a legendary coach and Geno didn't. Gottlieb spent years watching it, researching it, analyzing it, and commentating on it and Geno didn't. I hate elaborating.
I don't know what you don't understand about how a 59 year old women's only coach isn't exactly the same as a 37 year old former high major male college player turned men's baskebtall commentator/analyst. It's the same rough ridin' thing. You want water or do you want rough ridin' H2O? Which is it _33 because they are the same goddamned thing. You wanted Doug, then you want Geno. No two ways about it.
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I guess I just see them as two different types of games that wouldn't translate. Gottlieb has experience in the game he would be coaching at KSU and Geno doesn't. Gottlieb has recruiting and coaching connections in that game and Geno doesn't. Gottlieb played that game under a legendary coach and Geno didn't. Gottlieb spent years watching it, researching it, analyzing it, and commentating on it and Geno didn't. I hate elaborating.
I don't what you don't understand about how a 59 year old women's only coach isn't exactly the same as a 37 year old former high major male college player turned men's baskebtall commentator/analyst. It's the same rough ridin' thing. You want water or do you want rough ridin' H2O? Which is it _33 because they are the same goddamned thing. You wanted Doug, then you want Geno. No two ways about it.
unless you are racist or sexist. that is the third way
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Doug = Geno = Tommy Larsorda
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I guess I just see them as two different types of games that wouldn't translate. Gottlieb has experience in the game he would be coaching at KSU and Geno doesn't. Gottlieb has recruiting and coaching connections in that game and Geno doesn't. Gottlieb played that game under a legendary coach and Geno didn't. Gottlieb spent years watching it, researching it, analyzing it, and commentating on it and Geno didn't. I hate elaborating.
I don't what you don't understand about how a 59 year old women's only coach isn't exactly the same as a 37 year old former high major male college player turned men's baskebtall commentator/analyst. It's the same rough ridin' thing. You want water or do you want rough ridin' H2O? Which is it _33 because they are the same goddamned thing. You wanted Doug, then you want Geno. No two ways about it.
unless you are racist or sexist. that is the third way
Well, yeah. Anybody who knows anything knows that.
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Doug = Geno = Tommy Larsorda
That's not science. Unfalsifiable, bro.
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I have no idea who that is. Is he a D2 football coach? I;m guessing this is an inexact comparison. They questions I have to ask are 1. do we think Snyder is doomed to fail like most think about oscar and 2. Does this Kehres guy exhibit the exact opposite traits that we make fun of Snyder for? Like is he young, a great recruiter and isn't down with nepotism? and 3. Is he literally the greatest winner at the level of whatever sport he coaches?
If the answer to all of these questions is YES than sure I'm down, but I'm not a good judge because I'm likely not going to care nearly as much who replaces Snyder as I did with this last basketball hire.
He's the head coach of Division 3 Mount Union. He's 63 years old. He has won 11 national championships at Mount Union and has a .929 winning percentage, the best in college football history. I have no idea if he can recruit to a division 1 program, but he seems to be doing ok at division 3. I would be pretty "meh" about hiring him, just like I would Geno, but I wouldn't want to burn it down upon hearing his name, either.
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I guess I just see them as two different types of games that wouldn't translate. Gottlieb has experience in the game he would be coaching at KSU and Geno doesn't. Gottlieb has recruiting and coaching connections in that game and Geno doesn't. Gottlieb played that game under a legendary coach and Geno didn't. Gottlieb spent years watching it, researching it, analyzing it, and commentating on it and Geno didn't. I hate elaborating.
The men's game and the women's game run the same stuff. Gottlieb played for a legend, Geno is a legend. All of the connections stuff is speculative. Sure Gottlieb knows a lot of people in the game, but you can't with one hand categorize him as high risk high reward and then assume people are going to line up and place their professional fate in the hands of a 30 something broadcaster.
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I guess I just see them as two different types of games that wouldn't translate. Gottlieb has experience in the game he would be coaching at KSU and Geno doesn't. Gottlieb has recruiting and coaching connections in that game and Geno doesn't. Gottlieb played that game under a legendary coach and Geno didn't. Gottlieb spent years watching it, researching it, analyzing it, and commentating on it and Geno didn't. I hate elaborating.
I don't what you don't understand about how a 59 year old women's only coach isn't exactly the same as a 37 year old former high major male college player turned men's baskebtall commentator/analyst. It's the same rough ridin' thing. You want water or do you want rough ridin' H2O? Which is it _33 because they are the same goddamned thing. You wanted Doug, then you want Geno. No two ways about it.
unless you are racist or sexist. that is the third way
Well, yeah. Anybody who knows anything knows that.
Doug = Geno = Tommy Larsorda
These cute little passive aggressive posts would be spot on if I hadn't already addressed it half an hour before. I'd like to congratulate you three on good message boarding here but I can't even do that, oh well maybe next time guys!
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I have no idea who that is. Is he a D2 football coach? I;m guessing this is an inexact comparison. They questions I have to ask are 1. do we think Snyder is doomed to fail like most think about oscar and 2. Does this Kehres guy exhibit the exact opposite traits that we make fun of Snyder for? Like is he young, a great recruiter and isn't down with nepotism? and 3. Is he literally the greatest winner at the level of whatever sport he coaches?
If the answer to all of these questions is YES than sure I'm down, but I'm not a good judge because I'm likely not going to care nearly as much who replaces Snyder as I did with this last basketball hire.
He's the head coach of Division 3 Mount Union. He's 63 years old. He has won 11 national championships at Mount Union and has a .929 winning percentage, the best in college football history. I have no idea if he can recruit to a division 1 program, but he seems to be doing ok at division 3. I would be pretty "meh" about hiring him, just like I would Geno, but I wouldn't want to burn it down upon hearing his name, either.
I'd have a problem with replacing one old guy with another old guy. This isn't a perfect example though as far as my rant concerns because I was focused on the fact that Geno is everything that people who hate on oscar say that he is not.
If j rake asked me if I wanted non-dementia Pat Summit, Kim Mulley, Muffet McGraw, Leon Barmore, or Jeff Walz I would have said no.
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I have no idea who that is. Is he a D2 football coach? I;m guessing this is an inexact comparison. They questions I have to ask are 1. do we think Snyder is doomed to fail like most think about oscar and 2. Does this Kehres guy exhibit the exact opposite traits that we make fun of Snyder for? Like is he young, a great recruiter and isn't down with nepotism? and 3. Is he literally the greatest winner at the level of whatever sport he coaches?
If the answer to all of these questions is YES than sure I'm down, but I'm not a good judge because I'm likely not going to care nearly as much who replaces Snyder as I did with this last basketball hire.
He's the head coach of Division 3 Mount Union. He's 63 years old. He has won 11 national championships at Mount Union and has a .929 winning percentage, the best in college football history. I have no idea if he can recruit to a division 1 program, but he seems to be doing ok at division 3. I would be pretty "meh" about hiring him, just like I would Geno, but I wouldn't want to burn it down upon hearing his name, either.
I'd have a problem with replacing one old guy with another old guy. This isn't a perfect example though as far as my rant concerns because I was focused on the fact that Geno is everything that people who hate on oscar say that he is not.
If j rake asked me if I wanted non-dementia Pat Summit, Kim Mulley, Muffet McGraw, Leon Barmore, or Jeff Walz I would have said no.
Nick Saban is 61. How old is too old?
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Doug = Geno = Sporty Spice
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I have no idea who that is. Is he a D2 football coach? I;m guessing this is an inexact comparison. They questions I have to ask are 1. do we think Snyder is doomed to fail like most think about oscar and 2. Does this Kehres guy exhibit the exact opposite traits that we make fun of Snyder for? Like is he young, a great recruiter and isn't down with nepotism? and 3. Is he literally the greatest winner at the level of whatever sport he coaches?
If the answer to all of these questions is YES than sure I'm down, but I'm not a good judge because I'm likely not going to care nearly as much who replaces Snyder as I did with this last basketball hire.
He's the head coach of Division 3 Mount Union. He's 63 years old. He has won 11 national championships at Mount Union and has a .929 winning percentage, the best in college football history. I have no idea if he can recruit to a division 1 program, but he seems to be doing ok at division 3. I would be pretty "meh" about hiring him, just like I would Geno, but I wouldn't want to burn it down upon hearing his name, either.
I'd have a problem with replacing one old guy with another old guy. This isn't a perfect example though as far as my rant concerns because I was focused on the fact that Geno is everything that people who hate on oscar say that he is not.
If j rake asked me if I wanted non-dementia Pat Summit, Kim Mulley, Muffet McGraw, Leon Barmore, or Jeff Walz I would have said no.
Nick Saban is 61. How old is too old?
If we could get Saban that would feel great, but for the type of coach we would need here generally someone in their 60s would be too old. Saban doesn't need to grind at Alabama the way he would need to here
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Doug = Geno = Sirloin Stockade = :lick:
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doug x gino + me2 = ménage à trois
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:surprised:
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Now that is some sexy math. I think we can all get right behind that.
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geno might be great at motivating women, but hey- what's it take? a few nice pieces of jewelry and some flowers? an new vacuum?
motivating a man is a different story and geno hasn't proven squat as it relates to the men's game. basketball is a game played by men, and women that try to be men. truth hurts sometimes.
advantage: king oscar. vote: king oscar.
I'm quite sure the preferred nomenclature is lady dudes. What the eff is this the Middle Ages around here? :facepalm: Next thing you know 'clams is going to be spouting off about prima nocta and whether that's a recruiting violation.
Prima nocta= Latin for First Night. It is commonly associated with the deflowering of Virgins on their wedding night by Nobility not their husbands.
#rape :bawl:
In modern terms it refers to that feeling when you find out that oscar Weber is now in charge of your basketball team.
#rape :bawl:
and yes both should be recruiting violations.
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Remember when Geno put the hand grab on Kim Mulkey's butt earlier this season? I'd bet a ton of $$ that oscar has never done that.
Not sure how much weight to give that in the oscar vs. Geno debate, but it ought to count for something one way or the other.
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if we had Geno they would call our guys girls. I just couldn't handle that.
oddly enough, geno always refers to his girls as "guys."
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pat summitt
she has dementia. :frown:
hmmm, well, scratch her off the list probably
Nope!
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pat summitt
she has dementia. :frown:
hmmm, well, scratch her off the list probably
Nope!
:lol:
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pat summitt
she has dementia. :frown:
hmmm, well, scratch her off the list probably
Nope!
:lol: