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Title: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 09:38:16 PM
http://www.encyclonepedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/fouls-margins-margin.jpg (http://www.encyclonepedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/fouls-margins-margin.jpg)

Shows that we actually get less of a home advantage, fouls-wise, than any other team in the Big XII.

And if you look more closely at the total fouls called against/fouls called against opponent, you'll see further evidence that there is no grand conspiracy against the rest of the Big XII. Sometimes it's hard to admit it when you just get outplayed. You guys really did have a good season though and you should be proud of it. Best of luck in the tourney (unless we meet again).

Rock Chalk
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 16, 2013, 09:39:24 PM
don't click. virus.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 09:40:10 PM
don't click. virus.

Hilarious.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: ednksu on March 16, 2013, 09:43:17 PM
not sure you know how to chart .jpg
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 09:43:50 PM
not sure you know how to chart .jpg

Not my chart .jpg
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on March 16, 2013, 09:44:23 PM
Interesting... Still think there are too many factors involved to say we're getting hosed, though.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 16, 2013, 09:46:28 PM
I found a chart too guys:

Teams that get every call:
Kansas

Teams that always get screwed always:
Kansas State

Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: kim carnes on March 16, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
the eyes don't lie.  KU gets all the calls
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: EMAWzified on March 16, 2013, 09:49:30 PM
The fact you were compelled to come here to post this bogus crap is revealing.
You needn't feel bad. Your team gets all the calls (i.e. 13 plus minutes in the first half before getting a whistle and it charged to the wrong player). If it were my team, I'd keep my head down and just enjoy.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: GoodForAnother on March 16, 2013, 09:50:31 PM
this is relevant in the same way that gross FG% is relevant
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: CNS on March 16, 2013, 09:51:11 PM
so.....did anyone watch the game tonight?
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 09:51:28 PM
My goodness I've never met such a butthurt bunch of fans.

There are certainly worse fans in the world. But you guys really can't handle defeat graciously.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 09:52:25 PM
The fact you were compelled to come here to post this bogus crap is revealing.
You needn't feel bad. Your team gets all the calls (i.e. 13 plus minutes in the first half before getting a whistle and it charged to the wrong player). If it were my team, I'd keep my head down and just enjoy.

Was curious how you guys were reacting. Saw a bunch of blame shifting. Decided to pass on some actual evidence. Turns out you guys just want to rant and rave and feel like victims. Color me shocked.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: EMAWzified on March 16, 2013, 09:53:43 PM
Trying a little hard here. As I said, keep your head down and hope no one notices.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 16, 2013, 09:54:09 PM
My goodness I've never met such a butthurt bunch of fans.

There are certainly worse fans in the world. But you guys really can't handle defeat graciously.

"butthurt"
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 09:55:19 PM
My goodness I've never met such a butthurt bunch of fans.

There are certainly worse fans in the world. But you guys really can't handle defeat graciously.

"butthurt"

Is that a swear word too? Does that also offend your sensibilities, Nancy?
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: ednksu on March 16, 2013, 09:56:18 PM
Dip crap did you even read the chart or did you just look at the pretty colors?
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 16, 2013, 09:57:20 PM
My goodness I've never met such a butthurt bunch of fans.

There are certainly worse fans in the world. But you guys really can't handle defeat graciously.

"butthurt"

Is that a swear word too? Does that also offend your sensibilities, Nancy?

"Nancy"
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: doom on March 16, 2013, 09:57:34 PM
The fact you were compelled to come here to post this bogus crap is revealing.
You needn't feel bad. Your team gets all the calls (i.e. 13 plus minutes in the first half before getting a whistle and it charged to the wrong player). If it were my team, I'd keep my head down and just enjoy.

Was curious how you guys were reacting. Saw a bunch of blame shifting. Decided to pass on some actual evidence. Turns out you guys just want to rant and rave and feel like victims. Color me shocked.

you lost to tcu.  lolz
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 09:58:17 PM
The fact you were compelled to come here to post this bogus crap is revealing.
You needn't feel bad. Your team gets all the calls (i.e. 13 plus minutes in the first half before getting a whistle and it charged to the wrong player). If it were my team, I'd keep my head down and just enjoy.

Was curious how you guys were reacting. Saw a bunch of blame shifting. Decided to pass on some actual evidence. Turns out you guys just want to rant and rave and feel like victims. Color me shocked.

you lost to tcu.  lolz

And yet you couldn't beat us. Not in Lawrence. Not in KC. Not even in Manhattan. Think about that.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: doom on March 16, 2013, 10:00:24 PM
You should think about it.  You tied in conference to a  team you beat 3 times.  that isn't our fault.  We didn't make you lose to osu, ou, Baylor, and tcu.  And it won't be our fault when you lose in the tourney. 
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 16, 2013, 10:00:56 PM
You should forward this to Musberger. He seemed to agree that the refs were sucking KU off tonight.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: timhawk on March 16, 2013, 10:01:15 PM
The fact you were compelled to come here to post this bogus crap is revealing.
You needn't feel bad. Your team gets all the calls (i.e. 13 plus minutes in the first half before getting a whistle and it charged to the wrong player). If it were my team, I'd keep my head down and just enjoy.

go watch that foul again :)
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 16, 2013, 10:02:08 PM
The fact you were compelled to come here to post this bogus crap is revealing.
You needn't feel bad. Your team gets all the calls (i.e. 13 plus minutes in the first half before getting a whistle and it charged to the wrong player). If it were my team, I'd keep my head down and just enjoy.

Was curious how you guys were reacting. Saw a bunch of blame shifting. Decided to pass on some actual evidence. Turns out you guys just want to rant and rave and feel like victims. Color me shocked.

you lost to tcu.  lolz

And yet you couldn't beat us. Not in Lawrence. Not in KC. Not even in Manhattan. Think about that.

Think about that
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 10:02:46 PM
You should forward this to Musberger. He seemed to agree that the refs were sucking KU off tonight.

Musberger doesn't know his d*ck from a zit on Spradling's face. His opinion doesn't mean a whole lot. I'll take the stats.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: ednksu on March 16, 2013, 10:04:27 PM
dip crap....9 fouls. Now look at your season averages.  Please remove head from rectum.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: EMAWzified on March 16, 2013, 10:08:22 PM
I guess we should be thanking him for substantiating we all knew we witnessed; it's the fact the moron thinks it says something else is   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 10:11:18 PM
dip crap....9 fouls. Now look at your season averages.  Please remove head from rectum.

Can you even explain what other fouls should have been called on us tonight? Really, you guys weren't playing offense in such a way that we should have gotten many. We played a pretty clean game.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 10:12:07 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: ednksu on March 16, 2013, 10:13:53 PM
dip crap....9 fouls. Now look at your season averages.  Please remove head from rectum.

Can you even explain what other fouls should have been called on us tonight? Really, you guys weren't playing offense in such a way that we should have gotten many. We played a pretty clean game.
Dude the first foul called on Rodney was him hitting Withey on the elbow with his head!  In every other league that is over the back on Whitey.  Once again Whitey had a foul removed from him and placed to a roll player (I think Tharpe's first).  Just stop your blatant homer-ism and watch a game.  Try to mentally focus on it for just one game.  These refs are down right incompetent and consistently favor KU. 
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 10:14:26 PM
http://statsheet.com/mcb/conferences/big-12/fouls (http://statsheet.com/mcb/conferences/big-12/fouls)

More stats illustrating my point. KU doesn't get some huge boost and everyone else doesn't get railed. So much of it is dependent on style of play and individual players.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 16, 2013, 10:15:00 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.

who in particular around here was blaming the loss on the refs?  TIA.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 10:15:52 PM
dip crap....9 fouls. Now look at your season averages.  Please remove head from rectum.

Can you even explain what other fouls should have been called on us tonight? Really, you guys weren't playing offense in such a way that we should have gotten many. We played a pretty clean game.
Dude the first foul called on Rodney was him hitting Withey on the elbow with his head!  In every other league that is over the back on Whitey.  Once again Whitey had a foul removed from him and placed to a roll player (I think Tharpe's first).  Just stop your blatant homer-ism and watch a game.  Try to mentally focus on it for just one game.  These refs are down right incompetent and consistently favor KU.

For one, you're being silly complaining about that. Secondly, you just yelled about one foul. If it had been called on the Hawks, you'd still be crying.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 10:16:19 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.

who in particular around here was blaming the loss on the refs?  TIA.

There was an entire thread devoted to it.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: yoman on March 16, 2013, 10:17:21 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.
It's asinine that you believe that us playing a shitty game and officials favoring KU are mutually exclusive events. Both occurred tonight.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: MadCat on March 16, 2013, 10:17:45 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.

who in particular around here was blaming the loss on the refs?  TIA.

There was an entire thread devoted to it.
this one?
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: EMAWzified on March 16, 2013, 10:18:20 PM
He know this but doesn't want to acknowledge it. So he came to our little corner of the Internets and posted stats that he doesn't even understand mostly because he's a dickhead.

dip crap....9 fouls. Now look at your season averages.  Please remove head from rectum.

Can you even explain what other fouls should have been called on us tonight? Really, you guys weren't playing offense in such a way that we should have gotten many. We played a pretty clean game.
Dude the first foul called on Rodney was him hitting Withey on the elbow with his head!  In every other league that is over the back on Whitey.  Once again Whitey had a foul removed from him and placed to a roll player (I think Tharpe's first).  Just stop your blatant homer-ism and watch a game.  Try to mentally focus on it for just one game.  These refs are down right incompetent and consistently favor KU.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 16, 2013, 10:19:40 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.

who in particular around here was blaming the loss on the refs?  TIA.

There was an entire thread devoted to it.

well there's a bunch of threads where we blame our coach and players. like, lots and lots.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: EMAWzified on March 16, 2013, 10:20:14 PM
Quote
It's asinine that you believe that us playing a shitty game and officials favoring KU are mutually exclusive events. Both occurred tonight.
He's incapable of understanding a simple chart. Don't try to get him to wrap his limited little skull around that concept.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 10:21:18 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.
It's asinine that you believe that us playing a shitty game and officials favoring KU are mutually exclusive events. Both occurred tonight.

They aren't mutually exclusive events. But the refs weren't that bad. It's funny how the losing team almost always has something to say about the refs. You guys played like sh*t. I agree.

But if you want to talk about mutually exclusive events, how about you explain why you believe that State playing poorly and KU playing great defense are mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 16, 2013, 10:22:23 PM
Lawrencejmhawk
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: yoman on March 16, 2013, 10:28:35 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.
It's asinine that you believe that us playing a shitty game and officials favoring KU are mutually exclusive events. Both occurred tonight.

They aren't mutually exclusive events. But the refs weren't that bad. It's funny how the losing team almost always has something to say about the refs. You guys played like sh*t. I agree.

But if you want to talk about mutually exclusive events, how about you explain why you believe that State playing poorly and KU playing great defense are mutually exclusive.
KU absolutely did play great defense. I don't see anyone on here arguing that they didn't. However, arguing that they committed no fouls prior to us committing six is ridiculous.  Examples provided by others in this thread. Look, I understand that it is hard to comprehend that you are getting preferential treatment whenever you've experienced it for as long as you can remember. It still doesn't make it any less true that it occurs, as demonstrated by the chart you posted here.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 10:29:57 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.
It's asinine that you believe that us playing a shitty game and officials favoring KU are mutually exclusive events. Both occurred tonight.

They aren't mutually exclusive events. But the refs weren't that bad. It's funny how the losing team almost always has something to say about the refs. You guys played like sh*t. I agree.

But if you want to talk about mutually exclusive events, how about you explain why you believe that State playing poorly and KU playing great defense are mutually exclusive.
KU absolutely did play great defense. I don't see anyone on here arguing that they didn't. However, arguing that they committed no fouls prior to us committing six is ridiculous.  Examples provided by others in this thread. Look, I understand that it is hard to comprehend that you are getting preferential treatment whenever you've experienced it for as long as you can remember. It still doesn't make it any less true that it occurs, as demonstrated by the chart you posted here.

Thanks for giving a bit of credit where credit is due. Perhaps we should have had a foul or two by the time you had six, but you were just committing them at a much higher rate than we were. Any ref with eyes could see that.

To the rest of your post:  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: timhawk on March 16, 2013, 10:31:04 PM
Lawrencejmhawk

I remember a period of 10+ minutes in the first half where Kstate didn't make a FG and u want to blame refs?
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: timhawk on March 16, 2013, 10:32:09 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.
It's asinine that you believe that us playing a shitty game and officials favoring KU are mutually exclusive events. Both occurred tonight.

They aren't mutually exclusive events. But the refs weren't that bad. It's funny how the losing team almost always has something to say about the refs. You guys played like sh*t. I agree.

But if you want to talk about mutually exclusive events, how about you explain why you believe that State playing poorly and KU playing great defense are mutually exclusive.
KU absolutely did play great defense. I don't see anyone on here arguing that they didn't. However, arguing that they committed no fouls prior to us committing six is ridiculous.  Examples provided by others in this thread. Look, I understand that it is hard to comprehend that you are getting preferential treatment whenever you've experienced it for as long as you can remember. It still doesn't make it any less true that it occurs, as demonstrated by the chart you posted here.

Thanks for giving a bit of credit where credit is due. Perhaps we should have had a foul or two by the time you had six, but you were just committing them at a much higher rate than we were. Any ref with eyes could see that.

To the rest of your post:  :facepalm:

exactly! Rock Chalk TITLETOWN Jayhawk!
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: yoman on March 16, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.
It's asinine that you believe that us playing a shitty game and officials favoring KU are mutually exclusive events. Both occurred tonight.

They aren't mutually exclusive events. But the refs weren't that bad. It's funny how the losing team almost always has something to say about the refs. You guys played like sh*t. I agree.

But if you want to talk about mutually exclusive events, how about you explain why you believe that State playing poorly and KU playing great defense are mutually exclusive.
KU absolutely did play great defense. I don't see anyone on here arguing that they didn't. However, arguing that they committed no fouls prior to us committing six is ridiculous.  Examples provided by others in this thread. Look, I understand that it is hard to comprehend that you are getting preferential treatment whenever you've experienced it for as long as you can remember. It still doesn't make it any less true that it occurs, as demonstrated by the chart you posted here.

Thanks for giving a bit of credit where credit is due. Perhaps we should have had a foul or two by the time you had six, but you were just committing them at a much higher rate than we were. Any ref with eyes could see that.

To the rest of your post:  :facepalm:
So while dismissing my post you actually confirmed my point that you were receiving preferential treatment. Nice work.  At least you're on the road to recovery, the first step is admittance.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: CNS on March 16, 2013, 10:34:22 PM
Oh, we definitely lost this one with poor shooting.  We had tons of good open shots.  Tons, and missed them like crazy.  That is a diff discussion though.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 10:38:38 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.
It's asinine that you believe that us playing a shitty game and officials favoring KU are mutually exclusive events. Both occurred tonight.

They aren't mutually exclusive events. But the refs weren't that bad. It's funny how the losing team almost always has something to say about the refs. You guys played like sh*t. I agree.

But if you want to talk about mutually exclusive events, how about you explain why you believe that State playing poorly and KU playing great defense are mutually exclusive.
KU absolutely did play great defense. I don't see anyone on here arguing that they didn't. However, arguing that they committed no fouls prior to us committing six is ridiculous.  Examples provided by others in this thread. Look, I understand that it is hard to comprehend that you are getting preferential treatment whenever you've experienced it for as long as you can remember. It still doesn't make it any less true that it occurs, as demonstrated by the chart you posted here.

Thanks for giving a bit of credit where credit is due. Perhaps we should have had a foul or two by the time you had six, but you were just committing them at a much higher rate than we were. Any ref with eyes could see that.

To the rest of your post:  :facepalm:
So while dismissing my post you actually confirmed my point that you were receiving preferential treatment. Nice work.  At least you're on the road to recovery, the first step is admittance.

Nope. Dismissed the idiotic bits. Admitted that calls can be missed. Refs aren't infallible. Everyone knows that. You guys could have had another one by that point or one less. We could have had one or two. Officiating isn't a perfect science. It requires judgment calls, just like umpiring. No preferential treatment.

Tell me--because I truly don't know--do NC State fans act this way toward Duke or Carolina? Do SEC teams' fans act this way towards Kentucky? Do they too not understand that they are just consistently overmatched, or are they more realistic, admit that it isn't them against the world?
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 16, 2013, 10:40:02 PM
Lawrence which goEMAW.com poster or thread, specifically, are you referring to who blames our loss on the refs?
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 10:43:43 PM
Lawrence which goEMAW.com poster or thread, specifically, are you referring to who blames our loss on the refs?

Including, but not limited to, the gems within the "5 fouls to zip" thread. I understand what you're doing. You want to make the point that I can't, from memory, tell you the names of all the whiny posters. But I usually browse this forum for a few minutes when we play you guys and it's usually pretty complain-y. Tonight was a special kind of dumb though; I felt compelled to post.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 16, 2013, 10:46:05 PM
Lawrence which goEMAW.com poster or thread, specifically, are you referring to who blames our loss on the refs?

Including, but not limited to, the gems within the "5 fouls to zip" thread. I understand what you're doing. You want to make the point that I can't, from memory, tell you the names of all the whiny posters. But I usually browse this forum for a few minutes when we play you guys and it's usually pretty complain-y. Tonight was a special kind of dumb though; I felt compelled to post.

Special kind of dumb
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 10:47:00 PM
Lawrence which goEMAW.com poster or thread, specifically, are you referring to who blames our loss on the refs?

Including, but not limited to, the gems within the "5 fouls to zip" thread. I understand what you're doing. You want to make the point that I can't, from memory, tell you the names of all the whiny posters. But I usually browse this forum for a few minutes when we play you guys and it's usually pretty complain-y. Tonight was a special kind of dumb though; I felt compelled to post.

Special kind of dumb

I guess I don't get the joke. Oh well.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: EMAWzified on March 16, 2013, 10:47:59 PM
Yes we know, you felt compelled to post tonight because today the refs were especially egregious, so much so that even you subconsciously acknowledge it by your persistence here.
We understand. But you're tiresome. Go away or find something entertaining to post.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: yoman on March 16, 2013, 10:48:17 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.
It's asinine that you believe that us playing a shitty game and officials favoring KU are mutually exclusive events. Both occurred tonight.

They aren't mutually exclusive events. But the refs weren't that bad. It's funny how the losing team almost always has something to say about the refs. You guys played like sh*t. I agree.

But if you want to talk about mutually exclusive events, how about you explain why you believe that State playing poorly and KU playing great defense are mutually exclusive.
KU absolutely did play great defense. I don't see anyone on here arguing that they didn't. However, arguing that they committed no fouls prior to us committing six is ridiculous.  Examples provided by others in this thread. Look, I understand that it is hard to comprehend that you are getting preferential treatment whenever you've experienced it for as long as you can remember. It still doesn't make it any less true that it occurs, as demonstrated by the chart you posted here.

Thanks for giving a bit of credit where credit is due. Perhaps we should have had a foul or two by the time you had six, but you were just committing them at a much higher rate than we were. Any ref with eyes could see that.

To the rest of your post:  :facepalm:
So while dismissing my post you actually confirmed my point that you were receiving preferential treatment. Nice work.  At least you're on the road to recovery, the first step is admittance.

Nope. Dismissed the idiotic bits. Admitted that calls can be missed. Refs aren't infallible. Everyone knows that. You guys could have had another one by that point or one less. We could have had one or two. Officiating isn't a perfect science. It requires judgment calls, just like umpiring. No preferential treatment.

Tell me--because I truly don't know--do NC State fans act this way toward Duke or Carolina? Do SEC teams' fans act this way towards Kentucky? Do they too not understand that they are just consistently overmatched, or are they more realistic, admit that it isn't them against the world?
No one here is saying that KU isn't more talented or shouldn't have won this game. We have entire threads devoted to that, including one titled "Weber May Never Beat KU In His Time Here." We are also saying that the officials favor KU. The two events are unrelated. I do find it hilarious that you are seeking some form of validation on a K-State website after a KU victory though.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Lawrence on March 16, 2013, 10:49:56 PM
On another note though..why? Why do you guys ALWAYS go to the refs instead of just accepting that you lost to a better team? It's just asinine.
It's asinine that you believe that us playing a shitty game and officials favoring KU are mutually exclusive events. Both occurred tonight.

They aren't mutually exclusive events. But the refs weren't that bad. It's funny how the losing team almost always has something to say about the refs. You guys played like sh*t. I agree.

But if you want to talk about mutually exclusive events, how about you explain why you believe that State playing poorly and KU playing great defense are mutually exclusive.
KU absolutely did play great defense. I don't see anyone on here arguing that they didn't. However, arguing that they committed no fouls prior to us committing six is ridiculous.  Examples provided by others in this thread. Look, I understand that it is hard to comprehend that you are getting preferential treatment whenever you've experienced it for as long as you can remember. It still doesn't make it any less true that it occurs, as demonstrated by the chart you posted here.

Thanks for giving a bit of credit where credit is due. Perhaps we should have had a foul or two by the time you had six, but you were just committing them at a much higher rate than we were. Any ref with eyes could see that.

To the rest of your post:  :facepalm:
So while dismissing my post you actually confirmed my point that you were receiving preferential treatment. Nice work.  At least you're on the road to recovery, the first step is admittance.

Nope. Dismissed the idiotic bits. Admitted that calls can be missed. Refs aren't infallible. Everyone knows that. You guys could have had another one by that point or one less. We could have had one or two. Officiating isn't a perfect science. It requires judgment calls, just like umpiring. No preferential treatment.

Tell me--because I truly don't know--do NC State fans act this way toward Duke or Carolina? Do SEC teams' fans act this way towards Kentucky? Do they too not understand that they are just consistently overmatched, or are they more realistic, admit that it isn't them against the world?
No one here is saying that KU isn't more talented or shouldn't have won this game. We have entire threads devoted to that, including one titled "Weber May Never Beat KU In His Time Here." We are also saying that the officials favor KU. The two events are unrelated. I do find it hilarious that you are seeking some form of validation on a K-State website after a KU victory though.

Whatever you say, sir.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Ptolemy on March 16, 2013, 10:57:22 PM
The part of this issue that KU fans are unable to grasp is not that we think KU commits fouls that are not called or that KState is called for fouls that do not occur. We all agree that these refs are horrible. They are old, often out of position, and with those limitations often call fouls that they think "must have happened" because they are unable to discern the actual activity upon initial observance. 

The problem is that KState, and many of KU's opponents, get called for fouls for contact that KU does routinely.  KU gets the "benefit of the doubt" from an old and out of place officials because they typically have better athletes and more acclaimed players. 

That's the simple reality.

But it's not the reason KState lost the game.  The Cats played afraid, not all of them, but enough of them.  that's all it took.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 16, 2013, 11:04:41 PM
Lawrence which goEMAW.com poster or thread, specifically, are you referring to who blames our loss on the refs?

Including, but not limited to, the gems within the "5 fouls to zip" thread. I understand what you're doing. You want to make the point that I can't, from memory, tell you the names of all the whiny posters. But I usually browse this forum for a few minutes when we play you guys and it's usually pretty complain-y. Tonight was a special kind of dumb though; I felt compelled to post.

Well, as the guy who started that thread, that's not what it's about. In fact, as I point out in that thread, KU is a good team that capitalizes on the gifts bestowed upon them by the officials. Of course we could have, and should have, played better, and of course that played a roll in the loss. This does not change the fact that the officiating was stacked in KU's favor.

Edit: I just realized that something like 3 others posters just made exactly the same point. And of course, none of that will convince you, but I sure hope you've enjoyed your visit to goEMAW and found some validation here.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Shacks on March 16, 2013, 11:04:57 PM

Nope. Dismissed the idiotic bits. Admitted that calls can be missed. Refs aren't infallible. Everyone knows that. You guys could have had another one by that point or one less. We could have had one or two. Officiating isn't a perfect science. It requires judgment calls, just like umpiring. No preferential treatment.


In a vacuum, yeah, one or two fouls either way won't change the outcome of a double-digit game.  But here's the thing: when a game starts off with one team racking up six fouls and the other team isn't whistled for things that should be fouls during that same time span, it has a big impact on the rest of the game.  The team with the fouls ends up with one or two of their starters in early foul trouble and they have to play a little more tentative on defense while the team that's not getting fouled can play tenacious defense and aggressive offense because they know the other team will be called for a foul if they so much as touch the guy with the ball.  This chain of events happens more often than not when K-State plays KU.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: mcmwcat on March 17, 2013, 12:37:32 PM
KU fan should own it like a boss

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Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Cire on March 17, 2013, 12:50:18 PM
When Taylor blocked rod Taylor's body made contact with rod first.   That type of no call is what gets I'm our players heads more than anything else.   You could see it all over their body language as the game went on.   Maybe that comes from the coach
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: OregonSmock on March 17, 2013, 12:53:33 PM
KU is just better at men's basketball than K-State.  Way better.  The officials have nothing to do with it. 
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Cire on March 17, 2013, 12:55:11 PM
Good luck getting those types of calls In the tourney beemer
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2013, 12:57:27 PM
Didn't read the whole thread.  Looked at the two statistical postings Lawrence made.  Came to the conclusion that he doesn't understand statistics if he thinks those help his cause.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: OregonSmock on March 17, 2013, 12:59:26 PM
Good luck getting those types of calls In the tourney beemer


KU has beaten K-State 47 of the last 50 times.  You're saying it's because of officiating? 


 :confused:


Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: Cire on March 17, 2013, 01:00:27 PM
I predict lots of THEY AREN'T LETTING US PLAY BASKETBALL!  Posts on phog next week


No ksu didn't lose because of officiating.   It made the game terrible
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: kstofer on March 17, 2013, 03:04:48 PM
Good luck getting those types of calls In the tourney beemer


KU has beaten K-State 47 of the last 50 times.  You're saying it's because of officiating? 


 :confused:

Straw man.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: timhawk on March 17, 2013, 03:10:02 PM
When Taylor blocked rod Taylor's body made contact with rod first.   That type of no call is what gets I'm our players heads more than anything else.   You could see it all over their body language as the game went on.   Maybe that comes from the coach


the defense is allowed his space too...as long as he goes straight up it's not a foul...and that block was alllll ball
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: _33 on March 17, 2013, 03:17:48 PM
We obviously lost because of the officiating.  I was talking to my KU fan buddy during the game and he admitted that K-State would probably  have won 2/3 against KU this season with neutral officiating.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: GoodForAnother on March 17, 2013, 03:36:00 PM
it's sad how so many KU fans live in complete denial. if I were a hawker I would embrace it and brag about the calls that they get.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: timhawk on March 17, 2013, 03:43:01 PM
We obviously lost because of the officiating.  I was talking to my KU fan buddy during the game and he admitted that K-State would probably  have won 2/3 against KU this season with neutral officiating.

we beat you by 21, 16 and 4. only game where fouls would have made a difference was our 4 point game. you lost get over it...KSTATE's problem is they recruit fat football players to play basketball.(Gibson, Williams and that DJamer, oh and henrique is horrible I might add)
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: 0.42 on March 17, 2013, 03:44:52 PM
We obviously lost because of the officiating.  I was talking to my KU fan buddy during the game and he admitted that K-State would probably  have won 2/3 against KU this season with neutral officiating.

we beat you by 21, 16 and 4. only game where fouls would have made a difference was our 4 point game. you lost get over it...KSTATE's problem is they recruit fat football players to play basketball.(Gibson, Williams and that DJamer, oh and henrique is horrible I might add)

my god you're awful at this.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: _33 on March 17, 2013, 03:48:56 PM
We obviously lost because of the officiating.  I was talking to my KU fan buddy during the game and he admitted that K-State would probably  have won 2/3 against KU this season with neutral officiating.

we beat you by 21, 16 and 4. only game where fouls would have made a difference was our 4 point game. you lost get over it...KSTATE's problem is they recruit fat football players to play basketball.(Gibson, Williams and that DJamer, oh and henrique is horrible I might add)

Hey, it was my KU buddy who said it, not me.  My other KU buddy said we would have won one game, but not two.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: timhawk on March 17, 2013, 03:51:16 PM
We obviously lost because of the officiating.  I was talking to my KU fan buddy during the game and he admitted that K-State would probably  have won 2/3 against KU this season with neutral officiating.

we beat you by 21, 16 and 4. only game where fouls would have made a difference was our 4 point game. you lost get over it...KSTATE's problem is they recruit fat football players to play basketball.(Gibson, Williams and that DJamer, oh and henrique is horrible I might add)

Hey, it was my KU buddy who said it, not me.  My other KU buddy said we would have won one game, but not two.

yet you lost all three, get over it.what about the previous 50 games against Kstate? you're 3-47 in that span....
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: _33 on March 17, 2013, 04:40:20 PM
We obviously lost because of the officiating.  I was talking to my KU fan buddy during the game and he admitted that K-State would probably  have won 2/3 against KU this season with neutral officiating.

we beat you by 21, 16 and 4. only game where fouls would have made a difference was our 4 point game. you lost get over it...KSTATE's problem is they recruit fat football players to play basketball.(Gibson, Williams and that DJamer, oh and henrique is horrible I might add)

Hey, it was my KU buddy who said it, not me.  My other KU buddy said we would have won one game, but not two.

yet you lost all three, get over it.what about the previous 50 games against Kstate? you're 3-47 in that span....

My KU buddy (1st one) thought that the record in the previous 50 games would be something like 21-29 with neutral officiating.  So obviously he still thought KU was superior but not by quite as much.
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: GoodForAnother on March 17, 2013, 04:46:14 PM
your KU buddy seems very smart
Title: Re: Foul Statistics (that's right--something substantiated)
Post by: _33 on March 17, 2013, 04:47:46 PM
your KU buddy seems very smart

He's pretty smart.  Didn't go to college though.