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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: AppleJack on March 15, 2013, 10:49:08 AM
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:raccoon:
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Coon?
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:raccoon:
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:excited:
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Wow. I thought we would be +2.
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:fistpump:
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Not surprised.
Its not likely OSU is going to shoot 15% better than us again (they were 20% better on 2s).
I think its a close game, but the Cats win late.
67-62
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going to be a great game.
sprads needs to get comfortable on the bench next to weber for this one. he can't match up with their guards to save his life...not even forte. if they go small it plays into webers hands a bit...unless shane gets into foul trouble guarding nash. If nash plays well they are tough to beat, need to shut that guy down and force smart to shoot from outside.
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OSU shooting a much higher percentage wasn't so much a matter of luck, imo. I think it was more a matter of layups/dunks they got all afternoon
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OSU shooting a much higher percentage wasn't so much a matter of luck, imo. I think it was more a matter of layups/dunks they got all afternoon
DJamer coming in early off the bench?
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OSU shooting a much higher percentage wasn't so much a matter of luck, imo. I think it was more a matter of layups/dunks they got all afternoon
I don't disagree with that, but I think part of that was playing at home. They will still get some of those, but not as many.
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OSU shooting a much higher percentage wasn't so much a matter of luck, imo. I think it was more a matter of layups/dunks they got all afternoon
I don't disagree with that, but I think part of that was playing at home. They will still get some of those, but not as many.
Yea, I can't imagine they would get the same amount of those. A good JO day would go a long ways this afternoon but who knows what JO shows up anymore
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Hope Weber figures out that action where Nash gets the ball on the block and scores or where Nash just dribbles down the lane for a layup.
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Why can't we install a zone defense for tonight? Is it really that hard?
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Why can't we install a zone defense for tonight? Is it really that hard?
If you haven't worked on it at all (and we haven't), yes. There is a lot of communication that goes on in a zone defense between players that takes practice and game reps.
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Why can't we install a zone defense for tonight? Is it really that hard?
Zones are for pussies.
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Being a pussy and a ton of miscommunication will be more affective than whatever the hell our strategy was last Saturday. If allow the other team to drive the lane 100 times untouched for a lay-up/dunk in one game, then you need to change your defense, no matter how last minute it may be.
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Being a pussy and a ton of miscommunication will be more affective than whatever the hell our strategy was last Saturday. If allow the other team to drive the lane 100 times untouched for a lay-up/dunk in one game, then you need to change your defense, no matter how last minute it may be.
That can all be done within the man defensive scheme as well. Change your ball pressure, how you defend screens, or your rotations on help, to name a few.
Zone defense is in the same category as playing with 2 fouls in the first half with oscar, he's just not going to do it (unless the situation is drastic, like in Lawrence). But I don't think any situation will be so drastic as to call for a zone defense, because he's a classic "man only defense" coach. I with he was a bit more flexible on that, but its obvious that isn't going to change, just like the foul thing.
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not having or teaching a zone is beyond f'ng stupid. i seriously can't believe coaches are that dumb. even frank had a zone. remember how dumb he is?
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I'm saying we should, not that we will. And based on your last post, you're agreeing with me. Thanks, _FAN!
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I'm saying we should, not that we will. And based on your last post, you're agreeing with me. Thanks, _FAN!
:cheers:
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Just stick with me here...
What about starting the game in a Box-1 on Smart?
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imagine how much more shitty our man to man defense would be if we spent time practicing a zone defense. :sdeek:
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OSU shooting a much higher percentage wasn't so much a matter of luck, imo. I think it was more a matter of layups/dunks they got all afternoon
They also hit just about every mid-range jumper they took. The guy that really beat us in that game was Cobbins. Nash, Smart, and Brown can score irregardless of the defense. Cobbins going 4-7 and impacting the game the way he did on the glass and via the blocked shot was huge, and hopefully correctable.
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Being a pussy and a ton of miscommunication will be more affective than whatever the hell our strategy was last Saturday. If allow the other team to drive the lane 100 times untouched for a lay-up/dunk in one game, then you need to change your defense, no matter how last minute it may be.
Our bigs were obviously told to flash out and show a double on their guards last saturday, by the time our big man got halfway out to their guards, the ball was already in the post being dunked. We shouldn't be helping against OSU unless our guards get beat off the dribble, our bigs are just too slow to recover. That should eliminate about half of the wide open dunks they got last saturday, and it forces them to be more of a jumpshooting team. If OSU beats us by hitting guarded Js, then so be it.
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Don't call timeout after a made 3 when we're on a good stretch and up 8. Boom Strategized.
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Why are we favored?
TIA.
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Why are we favored?
TIA.
Prob a home proximity thing.
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Being a pussy and a ton of miscommunication will be more affective than whatever the hell our strategy was last Saturday. If allow the other team to drive the lane 100 times untouched for a lay-up/dunk in one game, then you need to change your defense, no matter how last minute it may be.
Our bigs were obviously told to flash out and show a double on their guards last saturday, by the time our big man got halfway out to their guards, the ball was already in the post being dunked. We shouldn't be helping against OSU unless our guards get beat off the dribble, our bigs are just too slow to recover. That should eliminate about half of the wide open dunks they got last saturday, and it forces them to be more of a jumpshooting team. If OSU beats us by hitting guarded Js, then so be it.
the problem wasn't that we were too slow to recover, the problem was that we were too slow hedging the screens. this was a big contributor to our foul trouble
edit: also, we got beat off the dribble by Nash/Smart quite a bit without any screens, so yea, i guess you are saying we need to help better
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Does OSU having to play the late game and try hard last night have an impact?
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Does OSU having to play the late game and try hard last night have an impact?
I thought they kind of coasted at the end there. :dunno:
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Does OSU having to play the late game and try hard last night have an impact?
I thought they kind of coasted at the end there. :dunno:
They were hitting free throws to win with 2.8 seconds left, we were playing all the players I've never heard of on our team (random white guy, random tall guy, etc.) with like 3 minutes left.
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I don't think it matters too much in NCAA format, with an off day in between. But in back to back days I think it could have a bit of an impact. OSU is not a deep team.
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I don't think it matters too much in NCAA format, with an off day in between. But in back to back days I think it could have a bit of an impact. OSU is not a deep team.
:ohno:
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I'm pretty sure I read that Webber focuses on the offense and Lowry handles the defense. If we have a head-coach level guy that focuses primarily on defense is it crazy to wonder why we couldn't work SOME on a zone scheme through the course of a season?
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Why are we favored?
TIA.
Warren says it opened as a pick 'em and has moved to -1.5/-2.
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I always enjoyed the coach that would randomly bust out a zone for about 3 possesions then go back to man. You usually gain a possesion of the the offense being all WTF after their coach drew up a play thats completely irrelevant and sometimes can waste one of their timeouts.
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A couple of OK St stat tidbits=
Smart is only 6 of his last 28 from 3pt
Brown is 10 of his last 34 from 3pt
Forte was 2-3 yday, but prior to that he was 9 of his 59 from 3pt away from GIA
Last 6 games OK ST is just over 25% OR. They havent OR very good against us in the 2 games
I dont think he will have as much success, but if Nash is anywhere close to 10-12 FG like he was in Stillwater, i am gonna punch someone in the arm real hard tonight
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I always enjoyed the coach that would randomly bust out a zone for about 3 possesions then go back to man. You usually gain a possesion of the the offense being all WTF after their coach drew up a play thats completely irrelevant and sometimes can waste one of their timeouts.
I agree with this 100%. Especially at the end of the game, I think if the other coach draws up a play you should switch your defense.
That's what you do in football, show one play then change it after the TO. Why not do the same in basketball?
Also, like I said earlier and everyone ignored... in high school when we played a team that would have one really good player we would run box and 1 on him for the first 5 minutes. The goal was to make it so he couldn't get a jump shot up and get in rhythm. If he went for a lay-up, the goal was to foul him as hard as you could without getting T'ed up. After he got good and frustrated we would go back into our regular defense but he would generally be so frustrated with not scoring it would throw off his game.
That being said... the rest of Oklahoma State is much better than Travis Releford's 4 supporting white boys at Bishop Miege.
Just a thought/glory days story from me :D
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I always enjoyed the coach that would randomly bust out a zone for about 3 possesions then go back to man. You usually gain a possesion of the the offense being all WTF after their coach drew up a play thats completely irrelevant and sometimes can waste one of their timeouts.
I agree with this 100%. Especially at the end of the game, I think if the other coach draws up a play you should switch your defense.
That's what you do in football, show one play then change it after the TO. Why not do the same in basketball?
Also, like I said earlier and everyone ignored... in high school when we played a team that would have one really good player we would run box and 1 on him for the first 5 minutes. The goal was to make it so he couldn't get a jump shot up and get in rhythm. If he went for a lay-up, the goal was to foul him as hard as you could without getting T'ed up. After he got good and frustrated we would go back into our regular defense but he would generally be so frustrated with not scoring it would throw off his game.
That being said... the rest of Oklahoma State is much better than Travis Releford's 4 supporting white boys at Bishop Miege.
Just a thought/glory days story from me :D
I enjoyed that.
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Also, like I said earlier and everyone ignored... in high school when we played a team that would have one really good player we would run box and 1 on him for the first 5 minutes. The goal was to make it so he couldn't get a jump shot up and get in rhythm. If he went for a lay-up, the goal was to foul him as hard as you could without getting T'ed up. After he got good and frustrated we would go back into our regular defense but he would generally be so frustrated with not scoring it would throw off his game.
This is a pretty good story. Who should we Box and 1? Smart? Brown?
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Also, like I said earlier and everyone ignored... in high school when we played a team that would have one really good player we would run box and 1 on him for the first 5 minutes. The goal was to make it so he couldn't get a jump shot up and get in rhythm. If he went for a lay-up, the goal was to foul him as hard as you could without getting T'ed up. After he got good and frustrated we would go back into our regular defense but he would generally be so frustrated with not scoring it would throw off his game.
This is a pretty good story. Who should we Box and 1? Smart? Brown?
If I were oscar and didn't give a crap about my job I would Diamond and 1 Smart to start the game with Tay on him, Angel up top, Shane and Rod on the wings, and JO down low.
Obviously just spit balling here, I wouldn't go with this the whole game but for a few minutes it would scare the living piss out of them. Also would keep Will on the bench so he couldn't get burned man to man.
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Probably should mention that this is all just for fun. If I thought a Diamond and 1 was a good way to win a game I would expect to get PI'ed every time I logged onto this board.
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I always enjoyed the coach that would randomly bust out a zone for about 3 possesions then go back to man. You usually gain a possesion of the the offense being all WTF after their coach drew up a play thats completely irrelevant and sometimes can waste one of their timeouts.
I agree with this 100%. Especially at the end of the game, I think if the other coach draws up a play you should switch your defense.
That's what you do in football, show one play then change it after the TO. Why not do the same in basketball?
Also, like I said earlier and everyone ignored... in high school when we played a team that would have one really good player we would run box and 1 on him for the first 5 minutes. The goal was to make it so he couldn't get a jump shot up and get in rhythm. If he went for a lay-up, the goal was to foul him as hard as you could without getting T'ed up. After he got good and frustrated we would go back into our regular defense but he would generally be so frustrated with not scoring it would throw off his game.
That being said... the rest of Oklahoma State is much better than Travis Releford's 4 supporting white boys at Bishop Miege.
Just a thought/glory days story from me :D
No one was better at hard fouling Travis Releford than Clinton Mann. No one.
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Why can't we install a zone defense for tonight? Is it really that hard?
If you haven't worked on it at all (and we haven't), yes. There is a lot of communication that goes on in a zone defense between players that takes practice and game reps.
We should open up the first few possessions in zone. Just to eff with em.
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Probably should mention that this is all just for fun. If I thought a Diamond and 1 was a good way to win a game I would expect to get PI'ed every time I logged onto this board.
Yeah. I know. I'm with you. But I just love the idea of seeing Marcus getting so mad he just stops his foot on the ground he can't take it anymore because we are sticking to him like glue.
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not having or teaching a zone is beyond f'ng stupid. i seriously can't believe coaches are that dumb. even frank had a zone. remember how dumb he is?
+1
I really think it can help to throw out a new look sometimes.
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Also back to the original thread topic. :cool:
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I would take a 2 point win so hard. You better be right Vegas!
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Yeah. I know. I'm with you. But I just love the idea of seeing Marcus getting so mad he just stops his foot on the ground he can't take it anymore because we are sticking to him like glue.
He's kind of a pouty bitch to begin with :dunno:
Also back to the original thread topic. :cool:
Bet the farm
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Does OSU having to play the late game and try hard last night have an impact?
Yes. It will show in the last 10 minutes tonight. We're fresher.
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I would take a 2 point win so hard. You better be right Vegas!
They pretty much were last time. :gocho:
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Anyone have 2 extra tickets for the game that is at SC right now?
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good job so far Cats. JO playing great :ksu:
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Really glad I don't coach our team. Diamond-1 wouldn't work.
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Racoons' noses look fake as crap. I did not know that. They're all shiny and rubbery looking. Weird.
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We're going to lose tomorrow night. But you know what? I'm ok with that because I have not seen a K-State team play this hard since '10 Xavier sweet sixteen. They will be barely able to walk tomorrow.
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We're going to lose tomorrow night. But you know what? I'm ok with that because I have not seen a K-State team play this hard since '10 Xavier sweet sixteen. They will be barely able to walk tomorrow.
Seeding makes a big difference in tourney played over 4 consecutive days. Even the difference between 1 and 2 seeds. KU will be fresher, and they're really good at not losing to us. Doesn't really matter. I think we've got a great shot at a 3 seed now.
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I have so many farms now from doubling up the last 5 games I can't work them all. I'm only one man who is just extremely good at sports betting.