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We wouldn't be in 1st place. He had a knack for losing 1 to 2 games that we shouldn't have lost. I agree he would have sustained long term success, but I don't think he was a "championship guy". This year has been the perfect storm w/ oscar's offense & Frank's players having a knack to play D. There, I said it.
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We wouldn't be in 1st place. He had a knack for losing 1 to 2 games that we shouldn't have lost. I agree he would have sustained long term success, but I don't think he was a "championship guy". This year has been the perfect storm w/ oscar's offense & Frank's players having a knack to play D. There, I said it.
:powerespect:
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Maybe, but I'm right.
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fanning is a GPC plant.
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A perfect storm to get 2nd place in a down big 12, maybe make the sweet sixteen, and then tank? Yay. :blindfold:
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A perfect storm to get 2nd place in a down big 12, maybe make the sweet sixteen, and then tank? Yay. :blindfold:
He has lowery with him now, they are an unstoppable force when together.
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Would've beat KU in Manhattan.
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fanning is a GPC plant.
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Would've beat KU in Manhattan.
Would've got swept by OU.
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I agree with you Fanning. I'd rather get swept by KU and win a 66, than finish fourth and beat KU once.
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we would be the same as we are with oscar.
having the right players is the most important component to being successful. he really doesn't have crap at SC to work with. i don't think frank is a great X-O coach, but i don't think you really need to be a great X-O coach to have a modicum of success. that said, his players at SC don't play very hard, nor smart.
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we would be the same as we are with oscar.
having the right players is the most important component to being successful. he really doesn't have crap at SC to work with. i don't think frank is a great X-O coach, but i don't think you really need to be a great X-O coach to have a modicum of success. that said, his players at SC don't play very hard, nor smart.
+1
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we would be the same as we are with oscar.
having the right players is the most important component to being successful. he really doesn't have crap at SC to work with. i don't think frank is a great X-O coach, but i don't think you really need to be a great X-O coach to have a modicum of success. that said, his players at SC don't play very hard, nor smart.
I agree, when he gets some of his guys in there I think they'll compete in the SEC
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Yeah, Frank will be fine.
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who knows.
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Not hard to be competitive in the SEC, finishing second or better in his tenure will surprise me
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Yeah, I'm not denying his garbage players at SC. I just think it's crazy to think about some of the losses we had back in the day. Iowa State on senior year, OU last year, Colorado at home, etc. *Knock on wood* Kinda crazy we haven't lost a game this year to someone we shouldn't lose to. We've been fortunate.
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Hmm, interesting topic, fanning. I wonder why no one has brought it up before?
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Hmm, interesting topic, fanning. I wonder why no one has brought it up before?
Yeah, if I luke'd this I'm sorry. But no one would start a thread like this on here cause we all loved frank and many want to ignore the negatives that came with frank cause he was so successful/likeable.
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Hmm, interesting topic, fanning. I wonder why no one has brought it up before?
Yeah, if I luke'd this I'm sorry. But no one would start a thread like this on here cause we all loved frank and many want to ignore the negatives that came with frank cause he was so successful/likeable.
what can I say? you're a maverick, fanning.
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Hmm, interesting topic, fanning. I wonder why no one has brought it up before?
Yeah, if I luke'd this I'm sorry. But no one would start a thread like this on here cause we all loved frank and many want to ignore the negatives that came with frank cause he was so successful/likeable.
It's high time, good work son.
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Hmm, interesting topic, fanning. I wonder why no one has brought it up before?
Yeah, if I luke'd this I'm sorry. But no one would start a thread like this on here cause we all loved frank and many want to ignore the negatives that came with frank cause he was so successful/likeable.
what can I say? you're a maverick, fanning.
I know you're being facetious, but :gocho: anyway.
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If oscar wins the big 12 this year, it'll be his 5th conference title in 15 years as a d1 head coach. Just asking the question: how many conference titles do you expect Frank to win in his career? How many will oscar win? :dunno:
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I know your being facetious, but :gocho: anyway.
i love when fanning does these, omg so adorable :drool:
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Let's compare inheriting Beas and Walker while already have been on staff and retaining the other coaches with inheriting these years team and starting your coaching staff all over. Let's compare results.
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It's amazing how much sophomore Angel makes people think that oscar is a genius and Frank is a dunce.
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I think we'd be about the same.
I have no doubt that Frank would've gotten this team to play really well at some point in the season. But there also most certainly would've been some stretch of drama and Franking and Frank making points about effort in practice, etc.. As a result we would have lost at least one really dumb game because it was what Frank teams did. Its just as likely this season would've looked like 11 as it did 10 under Frank. It would've been a good season, but it would've had Frank things.
And that difference is a major reason why rake's "boring" thread is 9 pages.
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I agree we'd be about the same overall. oscar seems like he's great at playing to seed but he can't break through his ceiling and I don't see that changing. Frank would break through the basement floor and the ceiling. I never felt like we had a prayer before we went to KU. I would have if Frank was here.
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I agree we'd be about the same overall. oscar seems like he's great at playing to seed but he can't break through his ceiling and I don't see that changing. Frank would break through the basement floor and the ceiling. I never felt like we had a prayer before we went to KU. I would have if Frank was here.
But you and I both know, if he plays to seed and gets to the Sweet 16 we'll love him hard. Some won't, but we will.
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I agree we'd be about the same overall. oscar seems like he's great at playing to seed but he can't break through his ceiling and I don't see that changing. Frank would break through the basement floor and the ceiling. I never felt like we had a prayer before we went to KU. I would have if Frank was here.
But you and I both know, if he plays to seed and gets to the Sweet 16 we'll love him hard. Some won't, but we will.
I love winning basketball games
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Not being upset a single time this season, so far, is a big accomplishment. oscar deserves credit for that, even if the Big 12 is down this year. He's done a great job utilizing the talent that Frank and DH recruited. So I'm happy with oscar's coaching, but I'm still skeptical about his track record recruiting.
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"Why take 1st when 5th is available" Frank Martin 2012
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Thing is, Weber didn't recruit that bad at all at Illinois, and his recruiting at K-State is starting to ratchet up as well.
Biggest thing for me is: 1. Intensity as his guys take over. 2. Utilization of big men and flexibility within the offense to attack the basket, look inside and board when the jumpers aren't falling.
I was pretty pleased with the look inside first emphasis against TT the other night.
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This is really all you need to know:
Frank:
13-23 vs better teams (36%)
100-29 vs worse teams (77%)
oscar:
2-4 vs better teams (33%)
20-1 vs worse teams (95%)
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:dnr:
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Thing is, Weber didn't recruit that bad at all at Illinois, and his recruiting at K-State is starting to ratchet up as well.
Biggest thing for me is: 1. Intensity as his guys take over. 2. Utilization of big men and flexibility within the offense to attack the basket, look inside and board when the jumpers aren't falling.
I was pretty pleased with the look inside first emphasis against TT the other night.
His recruits are rated ok by recruiting services, but how many of them actually end up being good players? His Illinois team that he left obviously is filled with a bunch of fp, tc, etc.'s Orris over Gray is just mind boggling, and Jacob Pullen wasn't good enough to play for him. His talent evaluation leaves a whole lot to be desired.
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Pussy!
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Pussy!
How about you save this for after the season so I can enjoy this basketball season. k thanks.
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:dnr:
Pussy!
How about you save this for after the season so I can enjoy this basketball season. k thanks.
We're getting too cuddly around here. Someone has to throw a curve ball.
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Thing is, Weber didn't recruit that bad at all at Illinois, and his recruiting at K-State is starting to ratchet up as well.
Biggest thing for me is: 1. Intensity as his guys take over. 2. Utilization of big men and flexibility within the offense to attack the basket, look inside and board when the jumpers aren't falling.
I was pretty pleased with the look inside first emphasis against TT the other night.
His recruits are rated ok by recruiting services, but how many of them actually end up being good players? His Illinois team that he left obviously is filled with a bunch of fp, tc, etc.'s Orris over Gray is just mind boggling, and Jacob Pullen wasn't good enough to play for him. His talent evaluation leaves a whole lot to be desired.
His 2010 class had 3 4 Star guys sign LOI's. His 2009 class had 2 Rivals Top 50 guys committed. I know there was some stories around some of those guys that I don't remember, but the point remains.
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Thing is, Weber didn't recruit that bad at all at Illinois, and his recruiting at K-State is starting to ratchet up as well.
Biggest thing for me is: 1. Intensity as his guys take over. 2. Utilization of big men and flexibility within the offense to attack the basket, look inside and board when the jumpers aren't falling.
I was pretty pleased with the look inside first emphasis against TT the other night.
His recruits are rated ok by recruiting services, but how many of them actually end up being good players? His Illinois team that he left obviously is filled with a bunch of fp, tc, etc.'s Orris over Gray is just mind boggling, and Jacob Pullen wasn't good enough to play for him. His talent evaluation leaves a whole lot to be desired.
His 2010 class had 3 4 Star guys sign LOI's. His 2009 class had 2 Rivals Top 50 guys committed. I know there was some stories around some of those guys that I don't remember, but the point remains.
Most of them suck, though.
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I miss the games where we got down early and Frank just mailed it in to prove a point. :bawl:
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This is really all you need to know:
Frank:
13-23 vs better teams (36%)
100-29 vs worse teams (77%)
oscar:
2-4 vs better teams (33%)
20-1 vs worse teams (95%)
boom
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This is really all you need to know:
Frank:
13-23 vs better teams (36%)
100-29 vs worse teams (77%)
oscar:
2-4 vs better teams (33%)
20-1 vs worse teams (95%)
boom
I'm really disappointed mocat didn't use a proportional sample size
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make your own proportional sample size then
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Thing is, Weber didn't recruit that bad at all at Illinois, and his recruiting at K-State is starting to ratchet up as well.
Biggest thing for me is: 1. Intensity as his guys take over. 2. Utilization of big men and flexibility within the offense to attack the basket, look inside and board when the jumpers aren't falling.
I was pretty pleased with the look inside first emphasis against TT the other night.
His recruits are rated ok by recruiting services, but how many of them actually end up being good players? His Illinois team that he left obviously is filled with a bunch of fp, tc, etc.'s Orris over Gray is just mind boggling, and Jacob Pullen wasn't good enough to play for him. His talent evaluation leaves a whole lot to be desired.
His 2010 class had 3 4 Star guys sign LOI's. His 2009 class had 2 Rivals Top 50 guys committed. I know there was some stories around some of those guys that I don't remember, but the point remains.
Most of them suck, though.
Yeah. Those are the players that got him fired. High ratings, terrible results. Very much an FP, TC issue and not so much a talent issue.
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Hmm, interesting topic, fanning. I wonder why no one has brought it up before?
Yeah, if I luke'd this I'm sorry. But no one would start a thread like this on here cause we all loved frank and many want to ignore the negatives that came with frank cause he was so successful/likeable.
what can I say? you're a maverick, fanning.
I know you're being facetious, but :gocho: anyway.
o/u 3 for how many times fanning edited to re-write facetious.
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We wouldn't have the same Shane because Frank wouldn't play him, and JO would be better because he would have been suspended already.
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Thing is, Weber didn't recruit that bad at all at Illinois, and his recruiting at K-State is starting to ratchet up as well.
Biggest thing for me is: 1. Intensity as his guys take over. 2. Utilization of big men and flexibility within the offense to attack the basket, look inside and board when the jumpers aren't falling.
I was pretty pleased with the look inside first emphasis against TT the other night.
Spot on. I truly believe this would be an up and down .500 team with frustration and head-scratching moments with Frank around.
Also I believe Weber's leadership and this coaching staffs leadership is great. When your leader(HCFM) is up and down and a ravening lunatic on the sidelines your players will be inconsistent, over-emotional (good and bad) and be up and down as well. This team is much more mature and poised this year than last. Some has to do with players growing up, but I believe Weber's leadership has been crucial.
These guys are bought in to "finding a way to contribute and help the team win." Rather than worrying about getting theirs or feeling sorry for themselves.
Also enjoyable to see guys encourage others through adverse situations during the game. Refreshing to say the least. Frank's message had taken it's course with this program.
In the words of Lou, "Startin' to come together Pepper." Nice to see a band of bro's out there. :ksu:
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Spot on. I truly believe this would be an up and down .500 team with frustration and head-scratching moments with Frank around.
Really?
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Pussy!
How about you save this for after the season so I can enjoy this basketball season. k thanks.
We're getting too cuddly around here. Someone has to throw a curve ball.
I agree with WC (Aka Fanning). Frank would've lost to Huggins in Morgantown too and OSU too
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Hmm, interesting topic, fanning. I wonder why no one has brought it up before?
Yeah, if I luke'd this I'm sorry. But no one would start a thread like this on here cause we all loved frank and many want to ignore the negatives that came with frank cause he was so successful/likeable.
what can I say? you're a maverick, fanning.
I know you're being facetious, but :gocho: anyway.
o/u 3 for how many times fanning edited to re-write facetious.
It was 3. Spell check wouldn't pop it up on my phone (cause I was so far off) so I had to google it. :gocho:
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Frank would have been swept by KU and lost @ ISU. In addition, I say Frank would have lost one of the OU games and one of the WVU games, putting us at 21-7 (10-5). I think Frank would probably win 2 of the remaining 3, to finish 23-8 (12-6).
We would be a solid NCAA team, top 4 in Conference, never a threat to compete for the conference title. basically, par for the course. very nice season. we'd be horse whipped in the Conference Tourny and probably be a round of 32 team, maybe sweet 16.
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Frank would have been undefeated. Putting us at 28-0 (15-0). Would have been so much fun!
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Glad to see that michigancat can punch the numbers correctly. Locking up the conference this early would've been fantastic.
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Glad to see that michigancat can punch the numbers correctly. Locking up the conference this early would've been fantastic.
ooh, just ran a few more simulations, and it turned out Frank would have taken us to the Final Four, too! Yowza!
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Frank would have intentionally lost the T-tech game to 'teach' Angel a lesson.
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Oh crap. I just ran my numbers. Looks like Frank would have suspended 3 players for half the season, would have slapped sweet shane in the face while holding him back from shooting, finished 4th, and got knocked out in the round of 32 to Wisconsin by the score of 36-32. What a pickle!
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I'm just happy South Carolina is getting their money's worth. :excited:
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I can without a doubt say as a 100% accurate hypothetical fact that Frank would be undefeated this season with these KSU 'qats minus Spradling (which is what the team would've hypothetically been). Now lets say Sprads, hypothetically, learns to get along with Frank in this hypothetical season. If thats the case, Frank is hypothetically still one game better than oscar.
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How would we score the ball without the motion offense we run? How would we get open looks, get to the lane. Frank sure as hell never worked on the skill and form of shooting and scoring a basketball with any of the guys. No developmental with offensive skills.
Would Shane Southwell and the entire team be shooting in the 40's from 3pt? How would we score? This was always the problem with Frank's teams. Fortunately Frank had a couple guys that will have banners in the rafters who could create and score to bail out his horseshit offense. There are none of those guys on this team, yet this is the best K-State team we have had since the reincarnation of KSU bball.
Defensively under Frank we fouled and played hard, but stupid. Simply put, fouls negate hustle and the ability to stop your opponent. We never forced teams to make their lesser players score the ball. We do now (with the exception of McLemore's game). No we score and are able to conistently stop teams under Frank this year.
I firmly believe we get swept by KU, ISU, OU, OSU, and split with Baylor, WVU and probably Tejas. 500 at best.
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I can without a doubt say as a 100% accurate hypothetical fact that Frank would be undefeated this season with these KSU 'qats minus Spradling (which is what the team would've hypothetically been). Now lets say Sprads, hypothetically, learns to get along with Frank in this hypothetical season. If thats the case, Frank is hypothetically still one game better than oscar.
no way, sarcasm duly noted.
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Lets not forget Lowery. Two head coaches on the bench with previous success. Perhaps its a combination that is destined to win.
I liked Frank. I liked his brand. He wanted to run at times and also changed up defenses with half court traps. But NO effing way he and Brad have this team at 23-5 on 02/25/13. Not a chance. BID can SABOD.
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How would we score the ball without the motion offense we run? How would we get open looks, get to the lane. Frank sure as hell never worked on the skill and form of shooting and scoring a basketball with any of the guys. No developmental with offensive skills.
Would Shane Southwell and the entire team be shooting in the 40's from 3pt? How would we score? This was always the problem with Frank's teams. Fortunately Frank had a couple guys that will have banners in the rafters who could create and score to bail out his horseshit offense. There are none of those guys on this team, yet this is the best K-State team we have had since the reincarnation of KSU bball.
Defensively under Frank we fouled and played hard, but stupid. Simply put, fouls negate hustle and the ability to stop your opponent. We never forced teams to make their lesser players score the ball. We do now (with the exception of McLemore's game). No we score and are able to conistently stop teams under Frank this year.
I firmly believe we get swept by KU, ISU, OU, OSU, and split with Baylor, WVU and probably Tejas. 500 at best.
You're an idiot. We would score/win like we did last year but with more experience (also no numbers going in the rafters from that team). Also, against a conference with more dogshit teams.
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This is really all you need to know:
Frank:
13-23 vs better teams (36%)
100-29 vs worse teams (77%)
oscar:
2-4 vs better teams (33%)
20-1 vs worse teams (95%)
mocat, repost your research using categories that allow crossyear comparisons (good teams and bad teams, not better teams and worse teams).
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his recruiting at K-State is starting to ratchet up as well.
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How would we score the ball without the motion offense we run? How would we get open looks, get to the lane. Frank sure as hell never worked on the skill and form of shooting and scoring a basketball with any of the guys. No developmental with offensive skills.
Would Shane Southwell and the entire team be shooting in the 40's from 3pt? How would we score? This was always the problem with Frank's teams. Fortunately Frank had a couple guys that will have banners in the rafters who could create and score to bail out his horseshit offense. There are none of those guys on this team, yet this is the best K-State team we have had since the reincarnation of KSU bball.
Defensively under Frank we fouled and played hard, but stupid. Simply put, fouls negate hustle and the ability to stop your opponent. We never forced teams to make their lesser players score the ball. We do now (with the exception of McLemore's game). No we score and are able to conistently stop teams under Frank this year.
I firmly believe we get swept by KU, ISU, OU, OSU, and split with Baylor, WVU and probably Tejas. 500 at best.
This is the same kind of logic that Illinois fans used when Weber took over for Self.
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Weber should just leave for a different school every year where the team is left with a lot of talent. Maybe he'll be at KU next year when Self leaves for the NBA. :dunno:
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Weber should just leave for a different school every year where the team is left with a lot of talent. Maybe he'll be at KU next year when Self leaves for the NBA. :dunno:
If he's smart, he will use his success this season to do just that.
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Frank would have rough ridin' murdered gonzaga
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Really amazing how people who I would not characterize as dumb can't see the limitations in Franks coaching abilities, I mean nobody has any problem with liking the guy, he is a great guy.
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Frank would have rough ridin' murdered gonzaga
And meatchicken ( I see you bread :gocho:)
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How would we score the ball without the motion offense we run? How would we get open looks, get to the lane. Frank sure as hell never worked on the skill and form of shooting and scoring a basketball with any of the guys. No developmental with offensive skills.
Would Shane Southwell and the entire team be shooting in the 40's from 3pt? How would we score? This was always the problem with Frank's teams. Fortunately Frank had a couple guys that will have banners in the rafters who could create and score to bail out his horseshit offense. There are none of those guys on this team, yet this is the best K-State team we have had since the reincarnation of KSU bball.
Defensively under Frank we fouled and played hard, but stupid. Simply put, fouls negate hustle and the ability to stop your opponent. We never forced teams to make their lesser players score the ball. We do now (with the exception of McLemore's game). No we score and are able to conistently stop teams under Frank this year.
I firmly believe we get swept by KU, ISU, OU, OSU, and split with Baylor, WVU and probably Tejas. 500 at best.
You're an idiot. We would score/win like we did last year but with more experience (also no numbers going in the rafters from that team). Also, against a conference with more dogshit teams.
Explain to me how the Big XII is dogshit if KU, ISU, OU, OSU are better versions than the previous season? What was our record vs. those teams last year? 1-7? This year, 4-3 about to be 5-3. Hate on Weber all you want, but Frank was a rough ridin' hack. Gonzaga would have beat us by 40 with Hack Martin coaching.
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How would we score the ball without the motion offense we run? How would we get open looks, get to the lane. Frank sure as hell never worked on the skill and form of shooting and scoring a basketball with any of the guys. No developmental with offensive skills.
Would Shane Southwell and the entire team be shooting in the 40's from 3pt? How would we score? This was always the problem with Frank's teams. Fortunately Frank had a couple guys that will have banners in the rafters who could create and score to bail out his horseshit offense. There are none of those guys on this team, yet this is the best K-State team we have had since the reincarnation of KSU bball.
Defensively under Frank we fouled and played hard, but stupid. Simply put, fouls negate hustle and the ability to stop your opponent. We never forced teams to make their lesser players score the ball. We do now (with the exception of McLemore's game). No we score and are able to conistently stop teams under Frank this year.
I firmly believe we get swept by KU, ISU, OU, OSU, and split with Baylor, WVU and probably Tejas. 500 at best.
You're an idiot. We would score/win like we did last year but with more experience (also no numbers going in the rafters from that team). Also, against a conference with more dogshit teams.
Explain to me how the Big XII is dogshit if KU, ISU, OU, OSU are better versions than the previous season? What was our record vs. those teams last year? 1-7? This year, 4-3 about to be 5-3. Hate on Weber all you want, but Frank was a rough ridin' hack. Gonzaga would have beat us by 40 with Hack Martin coaching.
Frank sucks. but KU is not better than last year.
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How would we score the ball without the motion offense we run? How would we get open looks, get to the lane. Frank sure as hell never worked on the skill and form of shooting and scoring a basketball with any of the guys. No developmental with offensive skills.
Would Shane Southwell and the entire team be shooting in the 40's from 3pt? How would we score? This was always the problem with Frank's teams. Fortunately Frank had a couple guys that will have banners in the rafters who could create and score to bail out his horseshit offense. There are none of those guys on this team, yet this is the best K-State team we have had since the reincarnation of KSU bball.
Defensively under Frank we fouled and played hard, but stupid. Simply put, fouls negate hustle and the ability to stop your opponent. We never forced teams to make their lesser players score the ball. We do now (with the exception of McLemore's game). No we score and are able to conistently stop teams under Frank this year.
I firmly believe we get swept by KU, ISU, OU, OSU, and split with Baylor, WVU and probably Tejas. 500 at best.
You're an idiot. We would score/win like we did last year but with more experience (also no numbers going in the rafters from that team). Also, against a conference with more dogshit teams.
Explain to me how the Big XII is dogshit if KU, ISU, OU, OSU are better versions than the previous season? What was our record vs. those teams last year? 1-7? This year, 4-3 about to be 5-3. Hate on Weber all you want, but Frank was a rough ridin' hack. Gonzaga would have beat us by 40 with Hack Martin coaching.
The conference gives you 8 victories if you don't eff it up (TCU, WV, UT, and Tech). KU is not a better version. OU and ISU are maybe slightly better, but mostly are taking advantage of the crap 4. Baylor is worse. OSU is better.
I'm not hating on Weber. If you want to say Weber is better than Frank, ok. That can be a fair argument. I am saying that telling everyone Frank would be .500 is flat out stupid when the talent is more experienced on this team and he was over .500 last year.
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KU is debatable, but McLemore is going to be taken earlier in the draft than Robinson was. Withey can actually score out of the post this year and their other seniors are playing at a much higher level and are more efficient than last year. (Young, Johnson, Releford)
Frank wouldn't have developed these guys offensive abilities. Never was able to. Who was a prolific scorer/ offensive threat not named Walker, Beasley or Pullen or a transfer? No way we are able to score. I mean really, I want to know how we would score vs Big XII teams? We would be a richman's WVU or similar to Texas. Probably lose at WVU and the games vs Baylor would be toss ups. Angel would be a mess and out of control, Southwell would still be shooting as flat as an ironing board, and guys like Nino, Omari, Irving, Gip wouldn't even be contributors. It would be a nightmare.
Instead Weber gets no love because we returned a bunch of guys. What people need to know is we returned a bunch of guys that couldn't beat any of us in a game of HORSE. It is pretty impressive what these coaches and players have developed in less than a year.
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I loved the crap out of Frank. But now that he's gone, I can accurately reflect on him. I really don't miss him. I am nowhere near thinking that BWeb can attain success long term, but I don't miss Frank one bit. At least I am now a fan of a stable team, for whatever reason, that is nice. I don't have to be on pins and needles everygame about who is going to show up.
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KU is debatable, but McLemore is going to be taken earlier in the draft than Robinson was. Withey can actually score out of the post this year and their other seniors are playing at a much higher level and are more efficient than last year. (Young, Johnson, Releford)
Frank wouldn't have developed these guys offensive abilities. Never was able to. Who was a prolific scorer/ offensive threat not named Walker, Beasley or Pullen or a transfer? No way we are able to score. I mean really, I want to know how we would score vs Big XII teams? We would be a richman's WVU or similar to Texas. Probably lose at WVU and the games vs Baylor would be toss ups. Angel would be a mess and out of control, Southwell would still be shooting as flat as an ironing board, and guys like Nino, Omari, Irving, Gip wouldn't even be contributors. It would be a nightmare.
Instead Weber gets no love because we returned a bunch of guys. What people need to know is we returned a bunch of guys that couldn't beat any of us in a game of HORSE. It is pretty impressive what these coaches and players have developed in less than a year.
KU played for the national championship last year dipshit. They aren't better this year. Mizzou was a great team when they weren't playing against Frank. Baylor was really good. To say this year's Big 12 is better is unfathomably stupid. I am really going you are a competent poster who is trolling, rather than a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), because we've had too many new retards around lately.
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I am really going you are a competent poster who is trolling, rather than a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), because we've had too many new retards around lately.
he's obviously trolling, c'mon 8man.
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Sorry sys, I'm drunk, not as obvious as it should be
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Also, this place has been Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) central lately, so who really knows anymore?
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KU is debatable, but McLemore is going to be taken earlier in the draft than Robinson was. Withey can actually score out of the post this year and their other seniors are playing at a much higher level and are more efficient than last year. (Young, Johnson, Releford)
Frank wouldn't have developed these guys offensive abilities. Never was able to. Who was a prolific scorer/ offensive threat not named Walker, Beasley or Pullen or a transfer? No way we are able to score. I mean really, I want to know how we would score vs Big XII teams? We would be a richman's WVU or similar to Texas. Probably lose at WVU and the games vs Baylor would be toss ups. Angel would be a mess and out of control, Southwell would still be shooting as flat as an ironing board, and guys like Nino, Omari, Irving, Gip wouldn't even be contributors. It would be a nightmare.
Instead Weber gets no love because we returned a bunch of guys. What people need to know is we returned a bunch of guys that couldn't beat any of us in a game of HORSE. It is pretty impressive what these coaches and players have developed in less than a year.
Weber, the magical shooting magician! I'm sure when he retires, he'll just become a shooting consultant for like every basketball team that wants to shoot better. It couldn't possibly be that Frank recruited good shooters that played in a system where Frank emphasized getting oboards and getting to the stripe, that would be way to rough ridin' simple, oscar must be a jump shot hero or something :goodbyecruelworld:
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:popcorn:
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Guys, do you think if frank came back today and took over for the rest of the season that we would be able to salvage this season and totally win the NC?
Yeah, I do too.
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Guys, do you think if frank came back today and took over for the rest of the season that we would be able to salvage this season and totally win the NC?
Yeah, I do too.
If Frank came back today, we wouldn't lose another game.
Ever.
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How would we score the ball without the motion offense we run? How would we get open looks, get to the lane. Frank sure as hell never worked on the skill and form of shooting and scoring a basketball with any of the guys. No developmental with offensive skills.
Would Shane Southwell and the entire team be shooting in the 40's from 3pt? How would we score? This was always the problem with Frank's teams. Fortunately Frank had a couple guys that will have banners in the rafters who could create and score to bail out his horseshit offense. There are none of those guys on this team, yet this is the best K-State team we have had since the reincarnation of KSU bball.
Defensively under Frank we fouled and played hard, but stupid. Simply put, fouls negate hustle and the ability to stop your opponent. We never forced teams to make their lesser players score the ball. We do now (with the exception of McLemore's game). No we score and are able to conistently stop teams under Frank this year.
I firmly believe we get swept by KU, ISU, OU, OSU, and split with Baylor, WVU and probably Tejas. 500 at best.
This is the same kind of logic that Illinois fans used when Weber took over for Self.
My main man beems is 100% correct here. Illinois tucks wouldn't shut up about it. Then when Self won an NC and the wheels simultaneously started to come off for oscar they changed it to Self is a cheater and oscar is a really nice man who does it the right way (but loses). God I hate them.
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I bet, if frank took over the fighting breads today, you guys would salvage this season and win the NC.
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If Frank came back today, he'd eff up a receipt from Western Union to super stud Shane Southwell. Stupid loser who doesn't know how to hide crap from his boss.
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Frank would also eff up a wet dream btw. Hur hur hur
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guys frank doesn't coach for us anymore
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guys frank doesn't coach for us anymore
Thank god!
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If Frank were here, we would have already have wrapped up the Big 12, gunning for a No. 1 seed and the national guys would be queued up to Topeka to swing from our nuts.
Now we have a nice team no one really takes seriously, least of all our fans.
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Also, Frank would totally be phoning it in, since the conf would already be in hand, and would be appearing live on Jim Rome, Gottlieb, Sports Center, and every other national outlet where college bb was being discussed, talking about kids not changing and how he knows we only have 3 open scholarships but 5 signed recruits and how he used to teach math.
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I am really going you are a competent poster who is trolling, rather than a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), because we've had too many new retards around lately.
he's obviously trolling, c'mon 8man.
I thought he might be too but I have no idea who this poster is so didn't have anything to compare it to.
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I thought he might be too but I have no idea who this poster is so didn't have anything to compare it to.
he's chingon, fyi.
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KU's road to the title game... 15 Detriot, 10 Purdue, 11 NC State, UNC (w/o 1-Gaurd Marshall). Ohio State was their only good win, they skated through the rest and found a way to win. Yeah, your right that team was so much better than this years version. :jerk:
Still waiting to hear on how we would be able to score points vs. teams this year with Frank coaching? Get to the foul line and shoot in the 60's? Great concept, how about over deny and apply ball pressure with guys that can't play that type of defense so they foul every other time down the court.
You can like Frank all you want, but the guy was a hack. If he was a true teacher he would teach guys how to shoot, how to defend smarter without fouling, how to run a rough ridin' offense with some continuity and ability to get open shots.
No what did he do... Lets get up and play as physical as possible to try to get TO's ... "they can't call all the fouls" Fail
Hey on offense lets dribble around and bury our heads and hope to either kick out to guys that are covered and can't shoot and maybe we can get an offensive rebound or truck dudes and maybe the refs will bail us out to shoot free throws that we can't make. Fail
Hey fuktards tell me how we would score with Frank and this team instead of circle jerking about if I'm trolling your ass. :popcorn:
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KU's road to the title game... 15 Detriot, 10 Purdue, 11 NC State, UNC (w/o 1-Gaurd Marshall). Ohio State was their only good win, they skated through the rest and found a way to win. Yeah, your right that team was so much better than this years version. :jerk:
Still waiting to hear on how we would be able to score points vs. teams this year with Frank coaching? Get to the foul line and shoot in the 60's? Great concept, how about over deny and apply ball pressure with guys that can't play that type of defense so they foul every other time down the court.
You can like Frank all you want, but the guy was a hack. If he was a true teacher he would teach guys how to shoot, how to defend smarter without fouling, how to run a rough ridin' offense with some continuity and ability to get open shots.
No what did he do... Lets get up and play as physical as possible to try to get TO's ... "they can't call all the fouls" Fail
Hey on offense lets dribble around and bury our heads and hope to either kick out to guys that are covered and can't shoot and maybe we can get an offensive rebound or truck dudes and maybe the refs will bail us out to shoot free throws that we can't make. Fail
Hey fuktards tell me how we would score with Frank and this team instead of circle jerking about if I'm trolling your ass. :popcorn:
Just like last year's team :dunno:
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Or the yr before
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Or the yr before that
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Or the yr before that
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Or the yr before that
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This thread was a mousetrap for posters with crap for brains. Well done Sundance, westcoast, and dax.
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This thread was a mousetrap for posters with crap for brains.
Well, it is now.
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Frank would have been swept by KU and lost @ ISU. In addition, I say Frank would have lost one of the OU games and one of the WVU games, putting us at 21-7 (10-5). I think Frank would probably win 2 of the remaining 3, to finish 23-8 (12-6).
We would be a solid NCAA team, top 4 in Conference, never a threat to compete for the conference title. basically, par for the course. very nice season. we'd be horse whipped in the Conference Tourny and probably be a round of 32 team, maybe sweet 16.
are you forgetting that we'd have chatkevicious, or whatever his name is?
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Frank would never have drawn up that in bounds play.
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LHC Bill Snyder would never have given Frank's team a pep talk because Bill hates Frank. oscar and Bill are BFF's.
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Frank would never have drawn up that in bounds play.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/02/12/buffs-beat-k-state-at-the-buzzer/
Frank's obviously a moron
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Frank would never have drawn up that in bounds play.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/02/12/buffs-beat-k-state-at-the-buzzer/
Frank's obviously a moron
''with Alec Burks in his face" you insufferable douchebag ( talking to you mir )
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If Frank was here.......
1. We would have been competitive with Gonzaga and Michigan and probably would have won one of them.
2. A lot of the close nonconference games we won would have been more comfortable victories. Delaware, George Washington etc.
3. We would be shooting less threes and making a lower percentage.
4. We would be turning the ball over more.
5. We would be making up for it with a +4 or +5 rebounding margin and getting 10 more free throw attempts per game.
6. We also would have been much more likely to have beat KU once.
7. Our record honestly would probably be very similar but more fun because we would have beat KU.
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Andrew VonDumbass
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If Frank was here.......
2. A lot of the close nonconference games we won would have been more comfortable victories. Delaware, George Washington etc.
6. We also would have been much more likely to have beat KU once.
#2 - did you watch any of Franks non conference games?
#6 - why? He was 2-9 against them, including 5 anal rapings in Lawrence.
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If Frank was here.......
1. We would have been competitive with Gonzaga and Michigan and probably would have won one of them.
Would we have lost to Florida (again). Or does Mythical Frank win that one, too?
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This is really all you need to know:
Frank:
13-23 vs better teams (36%)
100-29 vs worse teams (77%)
oscar:
2-4 vs better teams (33%)
20-1 vs worse teams (95%)
mocat, repost your research using categories that allow crossyear comparisons (good teams and bad teams, not better teams and worse teams).
vs 1-10
08: 1-3
09: 1-3
10: 3-3
11: 2-3
12: 2-3
13: 1-4
vs 11-20
08: 1-2
09: 0-1
10: 5-2
11: 1-1
12: 1-2
13: 1-0
vs 21-50
08: 4-5
09: 2-4
10: 3-1
11: 3-2
12: 3-3
13: 3-1
vs 51-75
08: 2-0
09: 3-2
10: 3-2
11: 3-5
12: 1-1
13: 2-0
vs 101-200
08: 3-0
09: 7-1
10: 5-0
11: 4-0
12: 6-2
13: 5-0
vs 201+
08: 6-0
09: 7-0
10: 4-0
11: 6-0
12: 6-0
13: 9-0
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LHC LHC Bill Snyder would never have given Frank's team a pep talk because Bill hates Frank. oscar and Bill are BFF's.
Noticed that when Frank went to SC, he slobbed Spurrier's knob pretty good. He was cordial towards LHCBS, but not much more.
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vs top 20
08: 2-5
09: 1-4
10: 8-5
11: 3-4
12: 3-5
13: 2-4
vs top 50
08: 6-10
09: 3-8
10: 11-6
11: 6-6
12: 6-8
13: 5-5
vs top 100
08: 11-12
09: 7-11
10: 19-8
11: 12-11
12: 10-9
13: 9-5
vs top 200
08: 14-12
09: 14-12
10: 24-8
11: 16-11
12: 16-11
13: 14-5
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thanks, mocat. '10 was really just a great year.
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If Frank was here.......
2. A lot of the close nonconference games we won would have been more comfortable victories. Delaware, George Washington etc.
6. We also would have been much more likely to have beat KU once.
#2 - did you watch any of Franks non conference games?
#6 - why? He was 2-9 against them, including 5 anal rapings in Lawrence.
#2- Yep I watched lots of them.
#6- This KU team is probably the 9th or 10 best KU team in the last 10 years.
Exhibit A is their Bench
Exhibit B is their Point Guard play
Frank managed to beat Bill Self twice. Since this would have likely been Frank's Second best or best team going up against Self's 9th or 10 best KU team..... I think he would have had a good shot.
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thanks, mocat. '10 was really just a great year.
Yes and that was by far our hardest schedule as well.
average/median rating of teams KSU beat:
08: 134/100
09: 161/149
10: 88/78
11: 123/81
12: 139/114
13: 155/115
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Have we imagined what it would be like for oscar to coach the 2010 team yet?
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Yes and that was by far our hardest schedule as well.
average/median rating of teams KSU beat:
08: 134/100
09: 161/149
10: 88/78
11: 123/81
12: 139/114
13: 155/115
Last year and this year look pretty similar. Last year our SOS was #70 and this year it is #64. Also, the composition of our team is pretty similar. We lost Jam Sam but our returning players gained a year of experience. What are the results?
Last year: 21-10 (RPI 46)
This year: 23-5 (RPI 20)
:users:
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If Frank was here.......
1. We would have been competitive with Gonzaga and Michigan and probably would have won one of them.
2. A lot of the close nonconference games we won would have been more comfortable victories. Delaware, George Washington etc.
3. We would be shooting less threes and making a lower percentage.
4. We would be turning the ball over more.
5. We would be making up for it with a +4 or +5 rebounding margin and getting 10 more free throw attempts per game.
6. We also would have been much more likely to have beat KU once.
7. Our record honestly would probably be very similar but more fun because we would have beat KU.
Get out of here, Frank. I told you too stop making socks over here. :dubious:
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can we lock this stupid thread? woof
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can we lock this stupid thread? woof
Stop shading yourself away from reality, friend.
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Yes and that was by far our hardest schedule as well.
average/median rating of teams KSU beat:
08: 134/100
09: 161/149
10: 88/78
11: 123/81
12: 139/114
13: 155/115
Last year and this year look pretty similar. Last year our SOS was #70 and this year it is #64. Also, the composition of our team is pretty similar. We lost Jam Sam but our returning players gained a year of experience. What are the results?
Last year: 21-10 (RPI 46)
This year: 23-5 (RPI 20)
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Shane becoming a shooter has been amazing.
Angel developing like bonkers has been amazing.
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can we lock this stupid thread? woof
mocat is trying like hell to give it some value
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This thread only exists because of people in denial about oscar>Frank.
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i think you meant, "king oscar" > frank
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This thread was a mousetrap for posters with crap for brains. Well done Sundance, westcoast, and dax.
Sometimes I post in threads knowing that MIR will follow at some point with varying degrees of latent butthurt.
This thread was no exception, and I'd rate the usual MIR butthurt at: Slightly higher than usual.
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SHANE WOULDN'T HAVE A HOOKSHOT
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SHANE WOULDN'T HAVE A HOOKSHOT
:thumbs: He'd be sitting if he attempted it.