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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: bigwillie20 on January 31, 2013, 12:19:21 PM
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Know we've done this in the past, see what everyone comes up with
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Big 12 Standings
1. Kansas (17 - 1)
2. Iowa State (13 - 5)
3. Kansas State (12 - 6) With Oklahoma State, defeated Oklahoma based on record against #2 teams. Defeated Oklahoma State based on draw.
4. Oklahoma State (12 - 6) With Kansas State, defeated Oklahoma based on record against #2 teams. Lost to Kansas State based on draw.
5. Oklahoma (12 - 6) Lost to Oklahoma State and Kansas State based on record against #2 teams.
6. Baylor (9 - 9)
7. West Virginia (8 - 10)
8. Texas (4 - 14)
9. Texas Tech (3 - 15)
10. TCU (0 - 18)
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the eff? Iowa St just layed an egg, and they have 3 losses. You're going to tell me they're going 9-2 from here on out?
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I'll go out on a limb and say the KSU Cats will finish 2nd.
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the eff? Iowa St just layed an egg, and they have 3 losses. You're going to tell me they're going 9-2 from here on out?
That's just, like, my opinion man, do your own :dunno:
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Baylor
Oklahoma
@KSU
@Texas
TCU
@Baylor
Tech
KU
@Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
@WVU
Alright, then narrow down your opinion. Where are the 9 wins and 2 losses?
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Big 12 Standings
1. Kansas (18 - 0)
2. Kansas State (13 - 5) Defeated Oklahoma based on head-to-head record.
3. Oklahoma (13 - 5) Lost to Kansas State based on head-to-head record.
4. Baylor (11 - 7)
5. Iowa State (10 - 8) Defeated Oklahoma State based on record against #2 teams.
6. Oklahoma State (10 - 8) Lost to Iowa State based on record against #2 teams.
7. West Virginia (7 - 11)
8. Texas (5 - 13)
9. Texas Tech (3 - 15)
10. TCU (0 - 18)
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Baylor- W
Oklahoma- W
@KSU- L
@Texas- W
TCU- W
@Baylor- W
Tech- W
KU- L
@Oklahoma- W
Oklahoma St- W
@WVU- W
Alright, then narrow down your opinion. Where are the 9 wins and 2 losses?
:dunno:
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Listing the home team first really messes with my head.
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Baylor- W
Oklahoma- W
@KSU- L
@Texas- W
TCU- W
@Baylor- W
Tech- W
KU- L
@Oklahoma- W
Oklahoma St- W
@WVU- W
Alright, then narrow down your opinion. Where are the 9 wins and 2 losses?
:dunno:
As a KSU Wildcats fan and a personal friend of mine I respect your opinion but I also think its stupid and wrong.
Iowa St won't finish higher than 4th in the league, and while I agree with the 2 losses you have there I think they will lose at least another 2 games because they are Iowa St.
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Oh I don't disagree. I could see them losing any of home vs. Baylor, OU, OKst, or @Baylor,OU, & WVU
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Oh I don't disagree. I could see them losing any of home vs. Baylor, OU, OKst, or @Baylor,OU, & WVU
Alright, that makes me feel better. There's just no evidence that makes me believe Iowa St is going to finish that well. Historically speaking they seem to do poorly down the stretch and lose games to crummy Big 12 opponents like they did last night.
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1. Kansas (15 - 3)
2. Kansas State (13 - 5) Defeated Oklahoma based on head-to-head record.
3. Oklahoma (13 - 5) Lost to Kansas State based on head-to-head record.
4. Oklahoma State (12 - 6)
5. Iowa State (10 - 8)
6. Baylor (9 - 9)
7. West Virginia (8 - 10)
8. Texas (5 - 13) Defeated Texas Tech based on record against #2 teams.
9. Texas Tech (5 - 13) Lost to Texas based on record against #2 teams.
10. TCU (0 - 18)
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1. Kansas (17 - 1)
2. Oklahoma State (12 - 6) Defeated Oklahoma and Kansas State based on record against #1 teams.
3. Oklahoma (12 - 6) With Kansas State, lost to Oklahoma State based on record against #1 teams. Defeated Kansas State based on record against #5 teams.
4. Kansas State (12 - 6) With Oklahoma, lost to Oklahoma State based on record against #1 teams. Lost to Oklahoma based on record against #5 teams.
5. Iowa State (11 - 7) Defeated Baylor based on record against #2 teams.
6. Baylor (11 - 7) Lost to Iowa State based on record against #2 teams.
7. Texas (5 - 13)
8. Texas Tech (4 - 14) Defeated West Virginia based on record against #5 teams.
9. West Virginia (4 - 14) Lost to Texas Tech based on record against #5 teams.
10. TCU (2 - 16)
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KU
OU
KSU
BU
ISU
OSU
whatever
whatever
whatever
whatever
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1. Kansas (15 - 3)
Which 3?
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ISU isn't finishing ahead of us. They lost to rough ridin' Tech.
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1. Kansas (17 - 1)
2. Oklahoma (13 - 5)
3. Kansas State (12 - 6)
4. Oklahoma State (11 - 7)
5. Iowa State (10 - 8) Defeated Baylor based on record against #2 teams.
6. Baylor (10 - 8) Lost to Iowa State based on record against #2 teams.
7. West Virginia (8 - 10)
8. Texas Tech (5 - 13)
9. Texas (4 - 14)
10. TCU (0 - 18)
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1. Kansas (15 - 3)
Which 3?
A combination any of the games they have left minus any TT or TCU. I know we are all awed by KU, I certainly am, but I don't know what about them winning close games against against all these average teams and having to bank in a miracle 3 makes people think they are just going to win all of these close games they are finding themselves in. I don't remember which three I picked, but I would say the most likely are road games at OSU, BU or ISU and/or possibly one at home to K-State or OU. I actually had to amend what I had because I was tempted to pick them to lose 4 our of 6 between Feb 9-Feb 25. Their schedule has been relatively easy to this point.
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Not that fun yet. Too many toss up games up ahead
You roll this site out from mid February to the last regular season game
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1. Kansas (15 - 3)
Which 3?
A combination any of the games they have left minus any TT or TCU. I know we are all awed by KU, I certainly am, but I don't know what about them winning close games against against all these average teams and having to bank in a miracle 3 makes people think they are just going to win all of these close games they are finding themselves in. I don't remember which three I picked, but I would say the most likely are road games at OSU, BU or ISU and/or possibly one at home to K-State or OU. I actually had to amend what I had because I was tempted to pick them to lose 4 our of 6 between Feb 9-Feb 25. Their schedule has been relatively easy to this point.
They are the 2011 KSU football team + McLemore
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1. Kansas (15 - 3)
Which 3?
A combination any of the games they have left minus any TT or TCU. I know we are all awed by KU, I certainly am, but I don't know what about them winning close games against against all these average teams and having to bank in a miracle 3 makes people think they are just going to win all of these close games they are finding themselves in. I don't remember which three I picked, but I would say the most likely are road games at OSU, BU or ISU and/or possibly one at home to K-State or OU. I actually had to amend what I had because I was tempted to pick them to lose 4 our of 6 between Feb 9-Feb 25. Their schedule has been relatively easy to this point.
They are the 2011 KSU football team + McLemore
:flush:
ugh, this isn't football
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5 teams (Baylor, KSU, OSU, OU & ISU) tying for 2nd @ 12-6 is a possibility...would be interesting
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Big 12 Standings
1. Kansas (16 - 2)
2. Oklahoma (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6)
4. Kansas State (11 - 7)
5. Iowa State (10 - 8) Defeated Baylor based on record against #1 teams.
6. Baylor (10 - 8) Lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams.
7. West Virginia (9 - 9)
8. Texas (4 - 14)
9. Texas Tech (3 - 15)
10. TCU (2 - 16)
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1. Kansas (17 - 1)
2. Oklahoma (13 - 5)
3. Iowa State (12 - 6) Defeated Kansas State based on record against #1 teams.
4. Kansas State (12 - 6) Lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams.
5. Oklahoma State (11 - 7)
6. Baylor (10 - 8)
7. West Virginia (7 - 11)
8. Texas Tech (4 - 14) Defeated Texas based on record against #3 teams.
9. Texas (4 - 14) Lost to Texas Tech based on record against #3 teams.
10. TCU (0 - 18)
:dunno:
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1. Kansas (16 - 2)
2. Kansas State (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma (11 - 7) Defeated Oklahoma State, Iowa State, and Baylor based on round-robin record.
4. Iowa State (11 - 7) With Oklahoma State, defeated Baylor and lost to Oklahoma based on round-robin record. Defeated Oklahoma State based on record against #8 teams.
5. Oklahoma State (11 - 7) With Iowa State, defeated Baylor and lost to Oklahoma based on round-robin record. Lost to Iowa State based on record against #8 teams.
6. Baylor (11 - 7) Lost to Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State based on round-robin record.
7. West Virginia (8 - 10)
8. Texas (5 - 13)
9. Texas Tech (4 - 14)
10. TCU (0 - 18)
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1. Kansas (17 - 1)
2. Kansas State (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma (12 - 6)
4. Iowa State (10 - 8) Defeated Baylor and Oklahoma State based on record against #1 teams.
5. Baylor (10 - 8) With Oklahoma State, lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams. Defeated Oklahoma State based on record against #2 teams.
6. Oklahoma State (10 - 8) With Baylor, lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams. Lost to Baylor based on record against #2 teams.
7. West Virginia (8 - 10)
8. Texas (6 - 12)
9. Texas Tech (4 - 14)
10. TCU (0 - 18)
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1. Kansas (17 - 1)
2. Kansas State (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma (12 - 6)
4. Iowa State (10 - 8) Defeated Baylor and Oklahoma State based on record against #1 teams.
5. Baylor (10 - 8) With Oklahoma State, lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams. Defeated Oklahoma State based on record against #2 teams.
6. Oklahoma State (10 - 8) With Baylor, lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams. Lost to Baylor based on record against #2 teams.
7. West Virginia (8 - 10)
8. Texas (6 - 12)
9. Texas Tech (4 - 14)
10. TCU (0 - 18)
Disregard this. BigWillie has only watched 1 game this year.
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1. Kansas (17 - 1)
2. Kansas State (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma (12 - 6)
4. Iowa State (10 - 8) Defeated Baylor and Oklahoma State based on record against #1 teams.
5. Baylor (10 - 8) With Oklahoma State, lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams. Defeated Oklahoma State based on record against #2 teams.
6. Oklahoma State (10 - 8) With Baylor, lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams. Lost to Baylor based on record against #2 teams.
7. West Virginia (8 - 10)
8. Texas (6 - 12)
9. Texas Tech (4 - 14)
10. TCU (0 - 18)
Disregard this. BigWillie has only watched 1 game this year.
I'm not seeing how it differs from anyone else
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common sense and past experience tells us that KU will lose a few games in conference play BUT it's kind of hard to see the way things are going. They have played relatively poorly and still won. Teams are just jacking up rushed 3's all night against them after expending a ton of energy trying to get open. Nobody seems to want to challenge withey so KU is just dominating their opponents at getting to the line and winning ugly. They should have lost against ISU and could have lost a few others but squeaked by. If they start playing a little better offensively then they'll run the table. Maybe withey is the difference between a few losses and going undefeated?
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You can use the "played relatively poorly" card if it happened once or twice. KU while having a great season, are what they are at this point, they aren't going to blow the doors off of everyone in conference play, doesn't mean they are playing relatively poor, it certainly isn't relative to this team they've played like this all season.
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I think the only game KU even has a chance of losing is @ISU. @KSU was one of, if not the toughest, game on their schedule.
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I think the only game KU even has a chance of losing is @ISU. @KSU was one of, if not the toughest, game on their schedule.
at Isu will be their toughest game left. But OK St has some talent and on the right night they could get Ku in Stillwater. I just dont see Baylor beating Ku though. Self always makes Drew look silly
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We probably will steal one from KU in Lawrence
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IMHO KU loss possibilities:
1) @OSU
2) @ISU
3) KSU
4) @OU
5) @BU
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why don't you guys just relax and enjoy the ride?
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IMHO KU loss possibilities:
3) KSU
:dubious:
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IMHO KU loss possibilities:
3) KSU
:dubious:
They were a miracle three pointer away from losing to ISU at home, we are very capable of winning there.
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IMHO KU loss possibilities:
3) KSU
:dubious:
They were a miracle three pointer away from losing to ISU at home, we are very capable of winning there.
:dubious:
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IMHO KU loss possibilities:
3) KSU
:dubious:
They were a miracle three pointer away from losing to ISU at home, we are very capable of winning there.
You are forgetting the key fact that we're their super bowl.
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Big 12 Standings
1. Kansas (16 - 2)
2. Oklahoma (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6)
4. Kansas State (11 - 7)
5. Iowa State (10 - 8) Defeated Baylor based on record against #1 teams.
6. Baylor (10 - 8) Lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams.
7. West Virginia (9 - 9)
8. Texas (4 - 14)
9. Texas Tech (3 - 15)
10. TCU (2 - 16)
You wish Beems. OSU is dog crap on the road. Don't see how they finish that high.
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Big 12 Standings
1. Kansas State (16 - 2)
2. Iowa State (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6) Defeated Oklahoma based on record against #2 teams.
4. Oklahoma (12 - 6) Lost to Oklahoma State based on record against #2 teams.
5. Baylor (11 - 7)
6. Kansas (7 - 11)
7. West Virginia (6 - 12) Defeated Texas based on head-to-head record.
8. Texas (6 - 12) Lost to West Virginia based on head-to-head record.
9. Texas Tech (5 - 13)
10. TCU (2 - 16)
Oops
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IMHO KU loss possibilities:
3) KSU
:dubious:
They were a miracle three pointer away from losing to ISU at home, we are very capable of winning there.
You are forgetting the key fact that we're their super bowl.
Kind of weird to agree with kougar24, but yeah, this.
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Big 12 Standings
1. Kansas State (16 - 2)
2. Iowa State (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6) Defeated Oklahoma based on record against #2 teams.
4. Oklahoma (12 - 6) Lost to Oklahoma State based on record against #2 teams.
5. Baylor (11 - 7)
6. Kansas (7 - 11)
7. West Virginia (6 - 12) Defeated Texas based on head-to-head record.
8. Texas (6 - 12) Lost to West Virginia based on head-to-head record.
9. Texas Tech (5 - 13)
10. TCU (2 - 16)
Oops
Would take
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IMHO KU loss possibilities:
3) KSU
:dubious:
:powerespect:
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If ku runs into a team with quality bigs I think they are in trouble. Sooner or later they will run into a ref that isn't afraid to call a foul on hackmaster Withey and their guard play is horrendous minus McLemore
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If ku runs into a team with quality bigs I think they are in trouble. Sooner or later they will run into a ref that isn't afraid to call a foul on hackmaster Withey and their guard play is horrendous minus McLemore
yeah, because Johnson and Releford were terrible all the way to the title game last year and withey obviously gets away with a ton of fouls.
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If ku runs into a team with quality bigs I think they are in trouble. Sooner or later they will run into a ref that isn't afraid to call a foul on hackmaster Withey and their guard play is horrendous minus McLemore
yeah, because Johnson and Releford were terrible all the way to the title game last year and withey obviously gets away with a ton of fouls.
Like to see you try to argue this is not true. Huge rough ridin' joke how much they baby that rough ridin' dicksucker when he slaps the rough ridin' crap out of everyone's arms, face, and body who comes into the lane
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I like to imagine Ben McLemore singing "I'm in your granddad's clothes, I look incredible. I'm in this big ass coat, from the thrift shop down the road"
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IMHO KU loss possibilities:
3) KSU
:dubious:
They were a miracle three pointer away from losing to ISU at home, we are very capable of winning there.
You are forgetting the key fact that we're their super bowl.
Kind of weird to agree with kougar24, but yeah, this.
I don't think it's that weird. :dunno:
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If ku runs into a team with quality bigs I think they are in trouble. Sooner or later they will run into a ref that isn't afraid to call a foul on hackmaster Withey and their guard play is horrendous minus McLemore
yeah, because Johnson and Releford were terrible all the way to the title game last year and withey obviously gets away with a ton of fouls.
Like to see you try to argue this is not true. Huge rough ridin' joke how much they baby that rough ridin' dicksucker when he slaps the rough ridin' crap out of everyone's arms, face, and body who comes into the lane
:jerk:
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Big 12 Standings
1. Kansas (16 - 2)
2. Oklahoma (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6)
4. Kansas State (11 - 7)
5. Iowa State (10 - 8) Defeated Baylor based on record against #1 teams.
6. Baylor (10 - 8) Lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams.
7. West Virginia (9 - 9)
8. Texas (4 - 14)
9. Texas Tech (3 - 15)
10. TCU (2 - 16)
The faith in Lon is strong in you.
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Iowa State will win out at home and lose out on the road. @Texas is a tossup.
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Big 12 Standings
1. Kansas (16 - 2)
2. Oklahoma (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6)
4. Kansas State (11 - 7)
5. Iowa State (10 - 8) Defeated Baylor based on record against #1 teams.
6. Baylor (10 - 8) Lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams.
7. West Virginia (9 - 9)
8. Texas (4 - 14)
9. Texas Tech (3 - 15)
10. TCU (2 - 16)
SHOCKER!
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IMHO KU loss possibilities:
1) @OSU
2) @ISU
3) KSU
4) @OU
5) @BU
I'd switch OSU and ISU.
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:gocho:
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Big 12 Standings
1. Kansas (16 - 2)
2. Oklahoma (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6)
4. Kansas State (11 - 7)
5. Iowa State (10 - 8) Defeated Baylor based on record against #1 teams.
6. Baylor (10 - 8) Lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams.
7. West Virginia (9 - 9)
8. Texas (4 - 14)
9. Texas Tech (3 - 15)
10. TCU (2 - 16)
You wish Beems. OSU is dog crap on the road. Don't see how they finish that high.
I stand corrected.
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travis ford = stud
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We have a really great shot at winning the most games we've ever won in Big 12, which isn't saying much since we have two more games to play, but we have a somewhat decent shot at having the best Big 12 winning % we've ever had.
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We have a really great shot at winning the most games we've ever won in Big 12, which isn't saying much since we have two more games to play, but we have a somewhat decent shot at having the best Big 12 winning % we've ever had.
Best winning % means getting to 13 wins. To do that we have to win all of our remaining home games, and pick up two road wins. Tech and UT would do it.
Doable, but it means not dropping any of our "should have" games. A loss this week would make it really difficult to get there.
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I think we have just as good of shot as winning one of the games we shouldn't win as we do dropping one of the games we shouldn't drop. @BU and @OSU aren't impossible by any means.
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1. Kansas State (16 - 2) Defeated Kansas based on record against #3 teams.
2. Kansas (16 - 2) Lost to Kansas State based on record against #3 teams.
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6)
Big games in Lawrence and Stillwater go our way...
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1. Kansas State (16 - 2) Defeated Kansas based on record against #3 teams.
2. Kansas (16 - 2) Lost to Kansas State based on record against #3 teams.
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6)
Big games in Lawrence and Stillwater go our way...
Would take.
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After @ttu we have ISU, @hurhurhur, BU
Those a 3 huge games, and I'll decide after that
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1. Kansas State (16 - 2) Defeated Kansas based on record against #3 teams.
2. Kansas (16 - 2) Lost to Kansas State based on record against #3 teams.
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6)
Big games in Lawrence and Stillwater go our way...
I want some of what ever you're smoking.
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After @ttu we have ISU, @hurhurhur, BU
Those a 3 huge games, and I'll decide after that
Why not just wait until after all the games in the season and then decide?
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After @ttu we have ISU, @hurhurhur, BU
Those a 3 huge games, and I'll decide after that
Why not just wait until after all the games in the season and then decide?
Because then it wouldn't be a prediction.
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So of the 5 teams that are trying to get the 2 seed ..... here is 1 way to look at it right now.
1) If you beat KU or if you get a road win vs one of those 5 teams (ksu, osu, isu, ou, bu) then you get a +1
2) If you lose a home game to any of the 5 teams, you get a -1
3) If you lose to Tcu, Tech, WV or Texas, you get a -1
So right now =
Kstate is +1 ( road win at OU)
Ok St +1 (win vs Ku)
OU 0 (win at baylor, home loss to ksu)
Isu -1 (loss at Tech)
Bay -1 (home loss vs OU)
Playing at Tcu and at Tech are not tough games, but winning at WV and at Texas could be more tricky.
Interesting thing is of the 5 teams, only Kstate and Ou has played at WV (both got wins)
None of he 5 teams has played at Texas yet
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KU is a missed Cory Lucious Ft from being squarely in the 2nd place heap. Can we stop saying they're walking away with the conf.
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Why play for first when you can hope that a bunch of people lose and you can backdoor into second? If PP is going to continually post these over thinking scenarios I'm going to continually reply by how silly it is. We aren't even halfway through conference play yet, its the first week of February and we're a game out. The most simple scenario is this, win all of the games and you win the conference and get a #1 seed, the end.
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So of the 5 teams that are trying to get the 2 seed ..... here is 1 way to look at it right now.
1) If you beat KU or if you get a road win vs one of those 5 teams (ksu, osu, isu, ou, bu) then you get a +1
2) If you lose a home game to any of the 5 teams, you get a -1
3) If you lose to Tcu, Tech, WV or Texas, you get a -1
So right now =
Kstate is +1 ( road win at OU)
Ok St +1 (win vs Ku)
OU 0 (win at baylor, home loss to ksu)
Isu -1 (loss at Tech)
Bay -1 (home loss vs OU)
Playing at Tcu and at Tech are not tough games, but winning at WV and at Texas could be more tricky.
Interesting thing is of the 5 teams, only Kstate and Ou has played at WV (both got wins)
None of he 5 teams has played at Texas yet
You're a card counter aren't you?
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Who said anything about backdooring our way into 2nd. I would love to get 1st but I am realist too. Don't see us winning in AFH. If we do, then i will at least ponder the thought of having a shot at 1st.
I like our chances right now for 13 wins. No guarentee that gets us 2nd, but its a pretty decent shot.
If u think we can get 15 wins and KU gets 14. Or hope we win every game and get a 1 seed. Cool, more power to you.
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1. Kansas (15 - 3) Defeated Kansas State based on head-to-head record.
2. Kansas State (15 - 3) Lost to Kansas based on head-to-head record.
3. Iowa State (12 - 6) Defeated Baylor and Oklahoma State based on record against #6 teams.
4. Oklahoma State (12 - 6) With Baylor, lost to Iowa State based on record against #6 teams. Defeated Baylor based on road record against #1 teams.
5. Baylor (12 - 6) With Oklahoma State, lost to Iowa State based on record against #6 teams. Lost to Oklahoma State based on road record against #1 teams.
6. Oklahoma (10 - 8)
7. West Virginia (6 - 12)
8. Texas Tech (4 - 14)
9. Texas (3 - 15)
10. TCU (1 - 17)
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i've watched 10 minutes of big 12 basketball this year.
1. Kansas (16 - 2)
2. Oklahoma State (14 - 4) Defeated Kansas State based on record against #1 teams.
3. Kansas State (14 - 4) Lost to Oklahoma State based on record against #1 teams.
4. Iowa State (11 - 7)
5. Baylor (10 - 8) Defeated Oklahoma based on draw.
6. Oklahoma (10 - 8) Lost to Baylor based on draw.
7. West Virginia (7 - 11)
8. Texas (4 - 14)
9. Texas Tech (3 - 15)
10. TCU (1 - 17)
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If we finish with the same record as KU, and our two records are the best in the Big 12, then we're calling it a championship.
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If we finish with the same record as KU, and our two records are the best in the Big 12, then we're calling it a championship.
“It’s whatever the conference rules are; that’s what you go by."
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If we finish with the same record as KU, and our two records are the best in the Big 12, then we're calling it a championship.
Well yeah, because that's what the Big 12 would call it.
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If we finish with the same record as KU, and our two records are the best in the Big 12, then we're calling it a championship.
Well yeah, because that's what the Big 12 would call it.
I would call an official Big 12 title official, but thats just me.
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If we finish with the same record as KU, and our two records are the best in the Big 12, then we're calling it a championship.
“It’s whatever the conference rules are; that’s what you go by."
Since it is a true round robin now are there still split championships, or have they gone to some ridiculous tie breaker scenarios to get one true champion?
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If we finish with the same record as KU, and our two records are the best in the Big 12, then we're calling it a championship.
“It’s whatever the conference rules are; that’s what you go by."
Since it is a true round robin now are there still split championships, or have they gone to some ridiculous tie breaker scenarios to get one true champion?
Given how K-State inexplicable "tied" with OU w/o any sort of tie breaker in football I'd reckon on the there is no tie breaker give out two trophies side of that :dubious:. However, I have no concrete claim to either refute or back that out, just an educated guess.
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1. Kansas State (15 - 3)
2. Oklahoma State (13 - 5) Defeated Oklahoma and Kansas based on round-robin record.
3. Oklahoma (13 - 5) Defeated Kansas and lost to Oklahoma State based on round-robin record.
4. Kansas (13 - 5) Lost to Oklahoma State and Oklahoma based on round-robin record.
5. Iowa State (11 - 7)
6. Baylor (9 - 9)
7. West Virginia (7 - 11)
8. Texas Tech (5 - 13)
9. TCU (2 - 16) Defeated Texas based on record against #2 teams.
10. Texas (2 - 16) Lost to TCU based on record against #2 teams.
:gocho:
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If we finish with the same record as KU, and our two records are the best in the Big 12, then we're calling it a championship.
“It’s whatever the conference rules are; that’s what you go by."
Since it is a true round robin now are there still split championships, or have they gone to some ridiculous tie breaker scenarios to get one true champion?
Given how K-State inexplicable "tied" with OU w/o any sort of tie breaker in football I'd reckon on the there is no tie breaker give out two trophies side of that :dubious:. However, I have no concrete claim to either refute or back that out, just an educated guess.
I would say you're correct. KU shared championships with OU and UT a couple of times even though we lost to them in the regular season.
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1. Kansas (14 - 4) Defeated Kansas State based on head-to-head record.
2. Kansas State (14 - 4) Lost to Kansas based on head-to-head record.
3. Oklahoma State (13 - 5)
4. Oklahoma (12 - 6)
5. Iowa State (11 - 7)
6. Baylor (9 - 9)
7. West Virginia (7 - 11)
8. Texas (6 - 12)
9. Texas Tech (3 - 15)
10. TCU (1 - 17)
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1. Kansas (15 - 3)
2. Kansas State (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6) With Oklahoma, defeated Baylor based on record against #1 teams. Defeated Oklahoma based on record against #2 teams.
4. Oklahoma (12 - 6) With Oklahoma State, defeated Baylor based on record against #1 teams. Lost to Oklahoma State based on record against #2 teams.
5. Baylor (12 - 6) Lost to Oklahoma State and Oklahoma based on record against #1 teams.
6. Iowa State (9 - 9)
7. West Virginia (8 - 10)
8. Texas Tech (4 - 14) Defeated Texas based on draw.
9. Texas (4 - 14) Lost to Texas Tech based on draw.
10. TCU (1 - 17)
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You guys know OU lost their starting point guard for the rest of the regular season and likely the 66 last night, right?
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1. Kansas (15 - 3)
2. Kansas State (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6) With Oklahoma, defeated Baylor based on record against #1 teams. Defeated Oklahoma based on record against #2 teams.
4. Oklahoma (12 - 6) With Oklahoma State, defeated Baylor based on record against #1 teams. Lost to Oklahoma State based on record against #2 teams.
5. Baylor (12 - 6) Lost to Oklahoma State and Oklahoma based on record against #1 teams.
6. Iowa State (9 - 9)
7. West Virginia (8 - 10)
8. Texas Tech (4 - 14) Defeated Texas based on draw.
9. Texas (4 - 14) Lost to Texas Tech based on draw.
10. TCU (1 - 17)
Just curious, what are our two losses? @Baylor @OSU?
I don't think last night makes KU flawless all of the sudden.
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kougar's a goddamned moron, SEK. KU fans don't even think they will win at ISU and at OSU.
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1. Kansas State (18 - 0)
2. TCU (16 - 2)
3. Baylor (8 - 10) Defeated Kansas, West Virginia, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Texas based on draw.
4. Kansas (8 - 10) Defeated West Virginia, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Texas and lost to Baylor based on draw.
5. West Virginia (8 - 10) Defeated Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Texas and lost to Baylor and Kansas based on draw.
6. Oklahoma State (8 - 10) Defeated Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Texas and lost to Baylor, Kansas, and West Virginia based on draw.
7. Oklahoma (8 - 10) Defeated Texas Tech and Texas and lost to Baylor, Kansas, West Virginia, and Oklahoma State based on draw.
8. Texas Tech (8 - 10) Defeated Texas and lost to Baylor, Kansas, West Virginia, Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma based on draw.
9. Texas (8 - 10) Lost to Baylor, Kansas, West Virginia, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, and Texas Tech based on draw.
10. Iowa State (0 - 18)
:alleyoop:
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For consideration: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21693086/road-map-teams-who-are-fairing-the-bestworst-away-from-home
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1. Kansas (15 - 3)
2. Kansas State (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6) With Oklahoma, defeated Baylor based on record against #1 teams. Defeated Oklahoma based on record against #2 teams.
4. Oklahoma (12 - 6) With Oklahoma State, defeated Baylor based on record against #1 teams. Lost to Oklahoma State based on record against #2 teams.
5. Baylor (12 - 6) Lost to Oklahoma State and Oklahoma based on record against #1 teams.
6. Iowa State (9 - 9)
7. West Virginia (8 - 10)
8. Texas Tech (4 - 14) Defeated Texas based on draw.
9. Texas (4 - 14) Lost to Texas Tech based on draw.
10. TCU (1 - 17)
Just curious, what are our two losses? @Baylor @OSU?
I don't think last night makes KU flawless all of the sudden.
Yes to our two losses.
Re: KU, I don't think they're flawless. I just think other teams are flawed more. They could easily lose in Stillwater and/or Ames.
Anyone who thinks there is a right/wrong answer to this prediction question at this point in time is a goddamned moron. :gocho:
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i'm not expecting kabongo to have any real impact on UT, am i crazy? if the consensus is that i'm crazy, then i'll back off of my assertion.
they just seemed to be lacking a lot more than what myck can provide.
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i'm not expecting kabongo to have any real impact on UT, am i crazy? if the consensus is that i'm crazy, then i'll back off of my assertion.
they just seemed to be lacking a lot more than what myck can provide.
not crazy. texas is garbage throughout.
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i'm not expecting kabongo to have any real impact on UT, am i crazy? if the consensus is that i'm crazy, then i'll back off of my assertion.
they just seemed to be lacking a lot more than what myck can provide.
I agree, maybe one game better, two best case scenario. His strength is his ability to create, but look at what he will be creating for :barf:
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losing Holmes was bigger than getting Kabongo back - I like the Angel v Kabongo matchup more than Holmes having a good game vs our under sized 4s. Texas' bigs are laughable.
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i'm not expecting kabongo to have any real impact on UT, am i crazy? if the consensus is that i'm crazy, then i'll back off of my assertion.
they just seemed to be lacking a lot more than what myck can provide.
welp
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i'm not expecting kabongo to have any real impact on UT, am i crazy? if the consensus is that i'm crazy, then i'll back off of my assertion.
they just seemed to be lacking a lot more than what myck can provide.
welp
No you're still right. ISU lost at Tech.
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i know - ISU gets too much credit, just thought it was funny that UT came out and won their next game after my prognostication. in an upset.
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LOL @ anyone who had ISU higher than 4th or 5th. You gotta be kidding me! This team is garbage.
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LOL @ anyone who had ISU higher than 4th or 5th. You gotta be kidding me! This team is garbage.
If Big 12 games were 39 minutes long, you guys would be 9-2 and in first place. Too bad they are 40 (and sometimes more)
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Hav's declaration may be a bit premature. Lots of BB left. At least he's willing to be objective.
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LOL @ anyone who had ISU higher than 4th or 5th. You gotta be kidding me! This team is garbage.
If Big 12 games were 39 minutes long, you guys would be 9-2 and in first place. Too bad they are 40 (and sometimes more)
:barf:
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I don't know if there's ever been a team with as big of discrepancy between home and away games than Iowa State under Hoiberg.
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myck should be mick, right? but people pronounce it mike. it shocked me when i first heard it, now it angers me.
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I don't know if there's ever been a team with as big of discrepancy between home and away games than Iowa State under Hoiberg.
Have to be a pretty lousy team to lose to the Mayor at home. AmIrite?
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myck should be mick, right? but people pronounce it mike. it shocked me when i first heard it, now it angers me.
I agree but with a great last name like Kabongo it doesn't matter
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myck should be mick, right? but people pronounce it mike. it shocked me when i first heard it, now it angers me.
He pronounces it Mike
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myck should be mick, right? but people pronounce it mike. it shocked me when i first heard it, now it angers me.
He pronounces it Mike
i know, i included him in with all the other people that say it wrong.
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welp, 3 team race. gonna get interesting.
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welp, 3 team race. gonna get interesting.
Indeed, next Wednesday will be huge ... :ksu: <= but w/ OSU logo (just this once)
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I don't know if there's ever been a team with as big of discrepancy between home and away games than Iowa State under Hoiberg.
do you mean just big 12? Missouri & Arkansas?
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Interesting. If we beat OK St, they could fall to a 4 seed in the P66.
Pretty good chance they will lose in Ames, so a loss to us would make them 12-6. OU has great shot at being 12-6. OU would get 3 seed by sweeping Baylor.
If KU beats Baylor and gets the 1 seed, they could have OKSt and Isu as the 4/5 seeds. That could make them a little :ohno:
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Interesting. If we beat OK St, they could fall to a 4 seed in the P66.
Pretty good chance they will lose in Ames, so a loss to us would make them 12-6. OU has great shot at being 12-6. OU would get 3 seed by sweeping Baylor.
If KU beats Baylor and gets the 1 seed, they could have OKSt and Isu as the 4/5 seeds. That could make them a little :ohno:
That would be amazing and the best chance we would have for winning the tourney.
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Interesting. If we beat OK St, they could fall to a 4 seed in the P66.
Pretty good chance they will lose in Ames, so a loss to us would make them 12-6. OU has great shot at being 12-6. OU would get 3 seed by sweeping Baylor.
If KU beats Baylor and gets the 1 seed, they could have OKSt and Isu as the 4/5 seeds. That could make them a little :ohno:
That would be amazing and the best chance we would have for winning the tourney.
:bracketmouse: :bracketmouse: :bracketmouse: :bracketmouse: :cheese: :cheese: :cheese:
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Interesting. If we beat OK St, they could fall to a 4 seed in the P66.
Pretty good chance they will lose in Ames, so a loss to us would make them 12-6. OU has great shot at being 12-6. OU would get 3 seed by sweeping Baylor.
If KU beats Baylor and gets the 1 seed, they could have OKSt and Isu as the 4/5 seeds. That could make them a little :ohno:
That would be amazing and the best chance we would have for winning the tourney.
:bracketmouse: :bracketmouse: :bracketmouse: :bracketmouse: :cheese: :cheese: :cheese:
hmmm so we're okay with "we can't beat Kansas, someone else do it for us?" For the record I'm not. Think like a team in first place with 2 to play, not like Iowa State.
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I'm ok with a trophy, MiR. I give no effs who we beat to get it.
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Interesting. If we beat OK St, they could fall to a 4 seed in the P66.
Pretty good chance they will lose in Ames, so a loss to us would make them 12-6. OU has great shot at being 12-6. OU would get 3 seed by sweeping Baylor.
If KU beats Baylor and gets the 1 seed, they could have OKSt and Isu as the 4/5 seeds. That could make them a little
That would be amazing and the best chance we would have for winning the tourney.
:bracketmouse: :bracketmouse: :bracketmouse: :bracketmouse: :cheese: :cheese: :cheese:
hmmm so we're okay with "we can't beat Kansas, someone else do it for us?" For the record I'm not. Think like a team in first place with 2 to play, not like Iowa State.
Do you want Syracuse to beat UNC Asheville last year in the first round of the NCAAs? Dumb logic.
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Interesting. If we beat OK St, they could fall to a 4 seed in the P66.
Pretty good chance they will lose in Ames, so a loss to us would make them 12-6. OU has great shot at being 12-6. OU would get 3 seed by sweeping Baylor.
If KU beats Baylor and gets the 1 seed, they could have OKSt and Isu as the 4/5 seeds. That could make them a little
That would be amazing and the best chance we would have for winning the tourney.
:bracketmouse: :bracketmouse: :bracketmouse: :bracketmouse: :cheese: :cheese: :cheese:
hmmm so we're okay with "we can't beat Kansas, someone else do it for us?" For the record I'm not. Think like a team in first place with 2 to play, not like Iowa State.
Do you want Syracuse to beat UNC Asheville last year in the first round of the NCAAs? Dumb logic.
apples oranges and you know it
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I want the tourney title. I would rather avenge our losses to KU and ISU, but I would love it almost as much if we beat Tech, OU and TCU.
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Would love to beat KU for the title. If they don't go that far, I'm fine with that.
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I would love for every other team's bus to breakdown and they have to forfeit their games and we just get handed the trophy
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I would love for every other team's bus to breakdown and they have to forfeit their games and we just get handed the trophy
would take
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I like to imagine Ben McLemore singing "I'm in your granddad's clothes, I look incredible. I'm in this big ass coat, from the thrift shop down the road"
woof, did i really post this? i don't remember that. I checked the time stamp, hoping it was like 3 am. nope. 9 am. :lol:
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1. Kansas State (15 - 3)
2. Kansas (14 - 4)
:excited:
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1. Kansas State (15 - 3)
2. Kansas (14 - 4)
:excited:
Whoa Spaces....
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1. Kansas State (15 - 3)
2. Kansas (14 - 4)
:excited:
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Massey Ratings put us over 50% of winning the Big 12.
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How fun is this
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I'm a little bit sad that we aren't locking up a Big 12 Championship tonight. Big 12 Championship celebrations after home games are lots of fun.
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1. Kansas State (15 - 3)
2. Kansas (14 - 4)
3. Oklahoma (12 - 6) Defeated Oklahoma State based on record against #6 teams.
4. Oklahoma State (12 - 6) Lost to Oklahoma based on record against #6 teams.
5. Iowa State (10 - 8)
But what if we get the 4/5 game winner? :ohno:
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1. Kansas State (15 - 3)
2. Kansas (14 - 4)
3. Oklahoma (12 - 6) Defeated Oklahoma State based on record against #6 teams.
4. Oklahoma State (12 - 6) Lost to Oklahoma based on record against #6 teams.
5. Iowa State (10 - 8)
But what if we get the 4/5 game winner? :ohno:
DGAF because it meant we won the outright title.
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So what do the numbers say now?
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Coin flip
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I'm thinking it's probably 1/3 we win outright 1/3 we share 1/3 we get nothing.
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1/10 we get it outright
1/3 we share it
17/30 we get nothing
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kp gives us 24% to win in Stillwater. FWIW.
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kp gives us 24% to win in Stillwater. FWIW.
He also doesn't even think we are a top 25 team, so I think his system might need some tweaking.
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kp gives us 24% to win in Stillwater. FWIW.
What's KU to win in Waco?
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kp gives us 24% to win in Stillwater. FWIW.
What's KU to win in Waco?
70%
ISU over OSU - 49%
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7% chance we win it outright.
40% chance we get a share.
53% chance we get nothing.
Coin flip. :ksugrad:
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1/10 we get it outright 10%
1/3 we share it 33%
17/30 we get nothing 57%
7% chance we win it outright.
40% chance we get a share.
53% chance we get nothing.
Coin flip. :ksugrad:
well i was pretty close just going off my gut feeling :D
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Big 12 Standings
1. Kansas (16 - 2)
2. Oklahoma (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6)
4. Kansas State (11 - 7)
5. Iowa State (10 - 8) Defeated Baylor based on record against #1 teams.
6. Baylor (10 - 8) Lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams.
7. West Virginia (9 - 9)
8. Texas (4 - 14)
9. Texas Tech (3 - 15)
10. TCU (2 - 16)
HATERS GONE HATE
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Big 12 Standings
1. Kansas (16 - 2)
2. Oklahoma (13 - 5)
3. Oklahoma State (12 - 6)
4. Kansas State (11 - 7)
5. Iowa State (10 - 8) Defeated Baylor based on record against #1 teams.
6. Baylor (10 - 8) Lost to Iowa State based on record against #1 teams.
7. West Virginia (9 - 9)
8. Texas (4 - 14)
9. Texas Tech (3 - 15)
10. TCU (2 - 16)
HATERS GONE HATE
Whatayaknow, we're better and they're worse. :D
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The ISU @ WVU game this weekend will decide the seven seed.
If WVU wins, they are 7th, if ISU wins then Texas is bumped to the 7. Would much rather play WVU in the second round than Texas
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The ISU @ WVU game this weekend will predict the seven seed.
If WVU wins, they are 7th, if ISU wins then Texas is bumped to the 7. Would much rather see WVU in the second round as an 8 seed once we win the conference outright than Texas
FYP
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The ISU @ WVU game this weekend will predict the seven seed.
If WVU wins, they are 7th, if ISU wins then Texas is bumped to the 7. Would much rather see WVU in the second round as an 8 seed once we win the conference outright than Texas
FYP
:pray:
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Poor, beems. :frown:
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So how much did the Pokes losing in Ames affect the numbers? Few percent?