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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Boondock Poonhound on January 12, 2013, 03:07:02 PM
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driveway shooter :lol:
please Tay, get more minutes.
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I've got to agree, play Tay more at the two. Cut Will to 20 MPG game until he figures it out. He didn't help us much today.
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Not sure if you've noticed, but Tay isn't very good.
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Not sure if you've noticed, but Tay isn't very good.
He's a quicker, stronger defender and a better fit at PG. I'm as big of a Will defender as you'll find, but I can't justify playing him a bunch until he shows he deserves it.
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Not sure if you've noticed, but Tay isn't very good.
Dear Shannon, I've noticed he's better than Will the TO machine. He tried to turn it over on our 2nd to last possession. :facepalm:
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Not sure if you've noticed, but Tay isn't very good.
He's a quicker, stronger defender and a better fit at PG. I'm as big of a Will defender as you'll find, but I can't justify playing him a bunch until he shows he deserves it.
Yep, if Will can't take charges and dish out some dimes, then he is of no use on the floor.
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I've got to agree, play Tay more at the two. Cut Will to 20 MPG game until he figures it out. He didn't help us much today.
sit zimmerman for ferguson? :confused:
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Not sure if you've noticed, but Tay isn't very good.
He's a quicker, stronger defender and a better fit at PG. I'm as big of a Will defender as you'll find, but I can't justify playing him a bunch until he shows he deserves it.
Yep, if Will can't take charges and dish out some dimes, then he is of no use on the floor.
And hit some 3s. Since FL he's 3-17. Unacceptable.
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Man oscar is going to get an angry joint call from Suther and Shannon.
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Not sure if you've noticed, but Tay isn't very good.
Dear Shannon, I've noticed he's better that Will the TO machine. He tried to turn it over on our 2nd to lst possession. :facepalm:
LOL, I can't stand Will. Have said that many times.
I agree with _Fan. Will should never ever play PG. And Tay is a better on-ball defender. But Tay is a terrible 2. Don't see much of a difference between the two there and in fact Will's consistent non-contributions can sometimes be better than Tay's negatives at that position.
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He's a quicker, stronger defender and a better fit at PG. I'm as big of a Will defender as you'll find, but I can't justify playing him a bunch until he shows he deserves it.
And a better 3-point shooter. Other than that, sprads has the edge.
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Not sure if you've noticed, but Tay isn't very good.
He's a quicker, stronger defender and a better fit at PG. I'm as big of a Will defender as you'll find, but I can't justify playing him a bunch until he shows he deserves it.
Yep, if Will can't take charges and dish out some dimes, then he is of no use on the floor.
And hit some 3s. Since FL he's 3-17. Unacceptable.
I just thought it was obvious at this point in his career that he can't shoot :dunno:
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Not sure if you've noticed, but Tay isn't very good.
He's a quicker, stronger defender and a better fit at PG. I'm as big of a Will defender as you'll find, but I can't justify playing him a bunch until he shows he deserves it.
Yep, if Will can't take charges and dish out some dimes, then he is of no use on the floor.
And hit some 3s. Since FL he's 3-17. Unacceptable.
I just thought it was obvious at this point in his career that he can't shoot :dunno:
He should be a 35% or so 3pt shooter. I'm not asking for greatness.
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With his other deficiencies he should shoot even better than that.
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Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....
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Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....
i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time. will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.
i don't get why people hate him this season.
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Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....
i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time. will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.
i don't get why people hate him this season.
Yeah, the Will hate is weird. I'm disappointed with his play and fine with oscar cutting his minutes, but its not personal and he still helps this team.
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Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....
i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time. will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.
i don't get why people hate him this season.
angel doesn't get a free pass from me. i don't give out free passes.
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Because Irving had 3 assists, 3 steals, a couple boards and 0 TOs, with just as many points. Will does nothing for our offense. Angel at least stirs things up by making drives and making passes inside.
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What if Will was Puerto Rican?
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Because Irving had 3 assists, 3 steals, a couple boards and 0 TOs, with just as many points. Will does nothing for our offense. Angel at least stirs things up by making drives and making passes inside.
So Irving and Will essentially had the same stat-line when Will played an entire 1 minute more than Irving.
That settles it, I guess.
For the record, Tay played the most minutes he's played all season today.
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Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....
i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time. will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.
i don't get why people hate him this season.
i hate will because he is a failure at what he's supposed to be. i don't hate angel because he isn't one (yet).
also, will lobbying for frank to gtfo is kind of hard to disregard.
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I intensely dislike Sprads for a variety of reasons, two of which are not his fault. One, the tuck love. it's just the default racists thinking he would be the next Lon or Henson because he's white. Two, it pisses me off we haven't been able to recruit a capable off guard for four years (a good senior would be starting in the spot).
The other is the same reason Frank called him a rough ridin' pussy. He's weak.
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Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....
i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time. will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.
i don't get why people hate him this season.
i hate will because he is a failure at what he's supposed to be. i don't hate angel because he isn't one (yet).
also, will lobbying for frank to gtfo is kind of hard to disregard.
lol, so its personal for you?
frank left k-state, btw, he wasn't fired.
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Because Irving had 3 assists, 3 steals, a couple boards and 0 TOs, with just as many points. Will does nothing for our offense. Angel at least stirs things up by making drives and making passes inside.
Of the 3, Angel is the key player for us and I think we all agree on that. He has got to stop the needless fouls. I love his mentality and aggressiveness which is part of that, but he's simply got to make better decisions.
There are plenty of Will critiques, but to say he "does nothing" on offense is inaccurate.
At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can complain about the minutes distributed at the 2 guard spots today. Angel played 25 minutes (only b/c of foul problems) with 9 points, 2 assists, 4 TOs, and 2 steals. It wasn't his greatest game and WVU's pressure bothered him at times, but I still wanted him on the floor down the stretch and he made some key plays. Will played 28 minutes, had 2 points, 4 assists, 1 TO, 2 rebounds, and 2 steals. Tay played 27, had 2 points, 3 assists, no TOs, 3 rebounds, and 3 steals. And its not an either or situation, all 3 are going to play. Angel playing more is mainly in his court; stay out of foul trouble. Tay is going to play when Angel is out at PG. The only debate is Tay stealing minutes at the 2 spot from Will, and oscar finally went that way for a stretch in the 2nd half today and the team played well. As for hitting shots, both Will and Tay need to be bigger threats and hit shots. There simply isn't going to be a situation where Tay gets all of Will's minutes, but he does need to produce or I'm sure oscar will be more willing to play Tay some there today and I'm fine with that.
And I really don't want Omari on the floor unless its an absolute emergency.
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Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....
i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time. will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.
i don't get why people hate him this season.
Angel doesn't get a pass from anyone. People hate will because his production doesnt match his minutes. People that don't hate him are okay with his ceiling being " Will didn't kill us today." oscar sat him in some key points down the stretch, he probably hates him too.
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Will played 9 minutes in the 2nd half. Tay played 14. Angel played 17.
I have no problem with any of that.
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Angel doesn't get a pass from anyone.
pffffffftttttttttttt
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Because Irving had 3 assists, 3 steals, a couple boards and 0 TOs, with just as many points. Will does nothing for our offense. Angel at least stirs things up by making drives and making passes inside.
Of the 3, Angel is the key player for us and I think we all agree on that. He has got to stop the needless fouls. I love his mentality and aggressiveness which is part of that, but he's simply got to make better decisions.
There are plenty of Will critiques, but to say he "does nothing" on offense is inaccurate.
At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can complain about the minutes distributed at the 2 guard spots today. Angel played 25 minutes (only b/c of foul problems) with 9 points, 2 assists, 4 TOs, and 2 steals. It wasn't his greatest game and WVU's pressure bothered him at times, but I still wanted him on the floor down the stretch and he made some key plays. Will played 28 minutes, had 2 points, 4 assists, 1 TO, 2 rebounds, and 2 steals. Tay played 27, had 2 points, 3 assists, no TOs, 3 rebounds, and 3 steals. And its not an either or situation, all 3 are going to play. Angel playing more is mainly in his court; stay out of foul trouble. Tay is going to play when Angel is out at PG. The only debate is Tay stealing minutes at the 2 spot from Will, and oscar finally went that way for a stretch in the 2nd half today and the team played well. As for hitting shots, both Will and Tay need to be bigger threats and hit shots. There simply isn't going to be a situation where Tay gets all of Will's minutes, but he does need to produce or I'm sure oscar will be more willing to play Tay some there today and I'm fine with that.
And I really don't want Omari on the floor unless its an absolute emergency.
The minutes at the 2 were much better today. I will also aggressively stamp out any attempt to dumb down the expectations of Will because he's been non productive for so long. The only positive play I can remember from Will today was the early lob to Rodney. If you're not an absolutist jakesie was right.
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Angel doesn't get a pass from anyone.
pffffffftttttttttttt
Why don't you say what you mean, this is no place for passive-aggressiveness
Some give people Angel free passes, you hold Will to a low standard; we all have weaknesses.
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Will doesn't turn it over much. But that's because he never ever tries to make anything happen. He doesn't have the ability or the guts to try to make anything happen. He's a ball mover, and ball movers don't usually turn it over much.
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Angel doesn't get a pass from anyone.
Some give people Angel free passes.
I mean.
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I will say that it's obvious Angel makes mistakes. The difference is that I think goEMAW'rs know that the Angel's good outweighs the bad. The drives he had today, the 3, and at the end of the game when he knocked the ball into the backcourt, taking a few of WVU's precious seconds of the clock.
Will's mistakes aren't as bad, but he has no good to make up for it. To touch on what I think MIR is saying, Will had one true assist; a lob into Grudes. One of his assists was a pass to Nino ten feet from the basket, from which he drove in and created his own shot. I don't think that should count as an assist. At least Angel's and Tay's assists are when they lob it inside, or drive inside and then kick it out to someone wide open for a 3.
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Angel doesn't get a pass from anyone.
Some give people Angel free passes.
I mean.
Why don't you say what you mean, this is no place for passive-aggressiveness
Should you just post "stop being mean to Will" and call it a day?
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Also, Will should have one more TO for when he threw it straight out of bounds and somehow the ref gave us the ball.
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Will doesn't turn it over much. But that's because he never ever tries to make anything happen. He doesn't have the ability or the guts to try to make anything happen. He's a ball mover, and ball movers don't usually turn it over much.
reminds me of my first job in local government out of college. woof, talk about working with a bunch of will spradlings.
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My difference between Will and Tay on the stat line is Will shot more. If Tay is shooting as poorly as Will did, he generally stops shooting and tries to contribute other ways. Will keeps shooting, results be damned. I get that from a traditionally good shooter, but Will has not been that for a season and a half now.
Angel has had some ugly games and needs to play better. He does things that Tay and Will don't and his upside is still way beyond theirs, which is why he gets the free pass so often.
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I will say that it's obvious Angel makes mistakes. The difference is that I think goEMAW'rs know that the Angel's good outweighs the bad. The drives he had today, the 3, and at the end of the game when he knocked the ball into the backcourt, taking a few of WVU's precious seconds of the clock.
Will's mistakes aren't as bad, but he has no good to make up for it. To touch on what I think MIR is saying, Will had one true assist; a lob into Grudes. One of his assists was a pass to Nino ten feet from the basket, from which he drove in and created his own shot. I don't think that should count as an assist. At least Angel's and Tay's assists are when they lob it inside, or drive inside and then kick it out to someone wide open for a 3.
Dlew knows this too. He just wants people to be nice to Will. It was a rookie mistake to invoke Angel, he undercut his own point.
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Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....
i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time. will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.
i don't get why people hate him this season.
i hate will because he is a failure at what he's supposed to be. i don't hate angel because he isn't one (yet).
also, will lobbying for frank to gtfo is kind of hard to disregard.
lol, so its personal for you?
frank left k-state, btw, he wasn't fired.
sure, part of my hate towards sprads is personal. It certainly was personal for will/shannon. please save your naiveness about frank "leaving" for childeren who believe in santa.
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Everyone agrees that will sucks. But angel is pretty sucky too and yet no one says anything.
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Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....
i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time. will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.
i don't get why people hate him this season.
Angel doesn't get a pass from anyone. People hate will because his production doesnt match his minutes. People that don't hate him are okay with his ceiling being " Will didn't kill us today." oscar sat him in some key points down the stretch, he probably hates him too.
This. Because Will doesn't really bring other things above-average to the table, he has to be an excellent shooter for us to be expected to not hate him. 35% 3pt shooter wouldn't cut it, even if he was able to get back up there.
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I will say that it's obvious Angel makes mistakes. The difference is that I think goEMAW'rs know that the Angel's good outweighs the bad. The drives he had today, the 3, and at the end of the game when he knocked the ball into the backcourt, taking a few of WVU's precious seconds of the clock.
Will's mistakes aren't as bad, but he has no good to make up for it. To touch on what I think MIR is saying, Will had one true assist; a lob into Grudes. One of his assists was a pass to Nino ten feet from the basket, from which he drove in and created his own shot. I don't think that should count as an assist. At least Angel's and Tay's assists are when they lob it inside, or drive inside and then kick it out to someone wide open for a 3.
Dlew knows this too. He just wants people to be nice to Will. It was a rookie mistake to invoke Angel, he undercut his own point.
This is true. But still, Angel makes a lot of stupid plays and sometimes, Angel's bad plays outweigh his good.
My point in all of this is, is that people talk crap on Will all the time after every game. But he does some nice things for us sometimes.
The Will hate just gets old.
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The Will hate just gets old.
I can never get enough of it.
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I will say that it's obvious Angel makes mistakes. The difference is that I think goEMAW'rs know that the Angel's good outweighs the bad. The drives he had today, the 3, and at the end of the game when he knocked the ball into the backcourt, taking a few of WVU's precious seconds of the clock.
Will's mistakes aren't as bad, but he has no good to make up for it. To touch on what I think MIR is saying, Will had one true assist; a lob into Grudes. One of his assists was a pass to Nino ten feet from the basket, from which he drove in and created his own shot. I don't think that should count as an assist. At least Angel's and Tay's assists are when they lob it inside, or drive inside and then kick it out to someone wide open for a 3.
Dlew knows this too. He just wants people to be nice to Will. It was a rookie mistake to invoke Angel, he undercut his own point.
This is true. But still, Angel makes a lot of stupid plays and sometimes, Angel's bad plays outweigh his good.
My point in all of this is, is that people talk crap on Will all the time after every game. But he does some nice things for us sometimes.
The Will hate just gets old.
When? And don't point out something that's isolated that is expected from a normal shooting guard. Weird day for this crusade, he was terrible and judging by his minutes and him sitting late, oscar agrees.
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I hate Will for both basketball and personal reasons. Not apologizing.
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I will say that it's obvious Angel makes mistakes. The difference is that I think goEMAW'rs know that the Angel's good outweighs the bad. The drives he had today, the 3, and at the end of the game when he knocked the ball into the backcourt, taking a few of WVU's precious seconds of the clock.
Will's mistakes aren't as bad, but he has no good to make up for it. To touch on what I think MIR is saying, Will had one true assist; a lob into Grudes. One of his assists was a pass to Nino ten feet from the basket, from which he drove in and created his own shot. I don't think that should count as an assist. At least Angel's and Tay's assists are when they lob it inside, or drive inside and then kick it out to someone wide open for a 3.
Dlew knows this too. He just wants people to be nice to Will. It was a rookie mistake to invoke Angel, he undercut his own point.
This is true. But still, Angel makes a lot of stupid plays and sometimes, Angel's bad plays outweigh his good.
My point in all of this is, is that people talk crap on Will all the time after every game. But he does some nice things for us sometimes.
The Will hate just gets old.
I'm pretty sure that after the Florida game, we all reluctantly admitted that one of the main reasons we won was because Will played well. Pretty sure even MIR agreed on that.
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I intensely dislike Sprads for a variety of reasons, two of which are not his fault. One, the tuck love. it's just the default racists thinking he would be the next Lon or Henson because he's white. Two, it pisses me off we haven't been able to recruit a capable off guard for four years (a good senior would be starting in the spot).
The other is the same reason Frank called him a rough ridin' pussy. He's weak.
I think the two that are not his fault are the majority if the reason people hate him. I don't think most will admit that, kudos to you for doing so.
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Will sucks
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I intensely dislike Sprads for a variety of reasons, two of which are not his fault. One, the tuck love. it's just the default racists thinking he would be the next Lon or Henson because he's white. Two, it pisses me off we haven't been able to recruit a capable off guard for four years (a good senior would be starting in the spot).
The other is the same reason Frank called him a rough ridin' pussy. He's weak.
I think the two that are not his fault are the majority if the reason people hate him. I don't think most will admit that, kudos to you for doing so.
Its not his fault that he's weak and a liar? I don't blame him for Frank being gone, no one does. I do blame him for being a crybaby when he previously said that his dad was meaner than frank. I do blame him for being crying about having to play point when he's 6'1" and cant shoot or jump. I also blame many of his on court issues with his fragility. There have been many basketball players with physical limitations, but few with those and mental fragility.
I don't blame him for being ugly. I don't blame him for the minutes he gets, that's oscar's and Frank's fault. Did you see Josh Gray today? Good looking player.
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Very painful to imagine this team with Gray taking half of Sprads minutes
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If Angel could play consistently good without fouling or making poor decisions in the offense, I think it is safe to say we would all be much happier with the way he'd play.
But for Spradling, the only way we would be happier with him on the court is if he was a better basketball player. (I think Sprads could be a very good role player, just not the role we have him in now.)
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Wills role should be the same role as the role the white walkon kids have
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I will say that it's obvious Angel makes mistakes. The difference is that I think goEMAW'rs know that the Angel's good outweighs the bad. The drives he had today, the 3, and at the end of the game when he knocked the ball into the backcourt, taking a few of WVU's precious seconds of the clock.
Will's mistakes aren't as bad, but he has no good to make up for it. To touch on what I think MIR is saying, Will had one true assist; a lob into Grudes. One of his assists was a pass to Nino ten feet from the basket, from which he drove in and created his own shot. I don't think that should count as an assist. At least Angel's and Tay's assists are when they lob it inside, or drive inside and then kick it out to someone wide open for a 3.
Dlew knows this too. He just wants people to be nice to Will. It was a rookie mistake to invoke Angel, he undercut his own point.
This is true. But still, Angel makes a lot of stupid plays and sometimes, Angel's bad plays outweigh his good.
My point in all of this is, is that people talk crap on Will all the time after every game. But he does some nice things for us sometimes.
The Will hate just gets old.
When? And don't point out something that's isolated that is expected from a normal shooting guard. Weird day for this crusade, he was terrible and judging by his minutes and him sitting late, oscar agrees.
When what? When did Will do some nice things for us?
Most recently, South Dakota State. Before that Florida.
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I intensely dislike Sprads for a variety of reasons, two of which are not his fault. One, the tuck love. it's just the default racists thinking he would be the next Lon or Henson because he's white. Two, it pisses me off we haven't been able to recruit a capable off guard for four years (a good senior would be starting in the spot).
The other is the same reason Frank called him a rough ridin' pussy. He's weak.
I think the two that are not his fault are the majority if the reason people hate him. I don't think most will admit that, kudos to you for doing so.
Its not his fault that he's weak and a liar? I don't blame him for Frank being gone, no one does. I do blame him for being a crybaby when he previously said that his dad was meaner than frank. I do blame him for being crying about having to play point when he's 6'1" and cant shoot or jump. I also blame many of his on court issues with his fragility. There have been many basketball players with physical limitations, but few with those and mental fragility.
I don't blame him for being ugly. I don't blame him for the minutes he gets, that's oscar's and Frank's fault. Did you see Josh Gray today? Good looking player.
You really went on a weird tangent on this post. Not sure how it relates to what I said, so I'm not going to respond except to say I did see Josh Gray play, and agree with your assessment.
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Not sure if you've noticed, but Tay isn't very good.
Dnr the rest of this thread, but its clear that berries n cream is the biggest dumbass probably ever
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Not sure if you've noticed, but Tay isn't very good.
Dnr the rest of this thread, but its clear that berries n cream is the biggest dumbass probably ever
The pull up j in traffic was nice. The dribble under the basket fast break assist was great too.
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Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....
i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time. will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.
i don't get why people hate him this season.
It's just people being fanboys and talking in extremes, using extremist descriptive words, especially when talking negatively about a player. I would imagine that at nearly every one of our regular players has been called, worthless, awful, terrible, etc. at one point or another this season. Rod is a good, possibly great college player. The only one we have on this team. The rest of our main guys are serviceable players who will have ups and downs. You don't get ranked #18 (probably higher after a likely win @TCU), with a bunch of crappy players.
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people bitching about a 4A/1TO performance from Will clearly show they have no interest in critiquing his game but show they are just entrenched in their position to hate a player.
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My difference between Will and Tay on the stat line is Will shot more. If Tay is shooting as poorly as Will did, he generally stops shooting and tries to contribute other ways. Will keeps shooting, results be damned. I get that from a traditionally good shooter, but Will has not been that for a season and a half now.
Angel has had some ugly games and needs to play better. He does things that Tay and Will don't and his upside is still way beyond theirs, which is why he gets the free pass so often.
I think that is because a large percentage of Will's worth is/ should be as a shooter. If he is in there and he is getting open looks, he needs to shoot. If he is hitting then all is well and it combines with the the other things he does (few TOs, decent help defense, charges, etc.) he does to be a pretty good player for us. Problem is for the last season and a half he has rarely shot well.
I feel the onus is on the coach to sit Will if he isn't producing with the shots (or recruit someone to play in front of him). Frank rarely sat him, and oscar rarely does as well. Obviously there are things that both of these coaches value that a lot of us do not. What is it? Are the coaches or fans correct in their reasoning? I'm not sure. I'm not terribly hbbiq.
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people bitching about a 4A/1TO performance from Will clearly show they have no interest in critiquing his game but show they are just entrenched in their position to hate a player.
Did you watch the game or no? Or bother to read this thread? Don't respond, I know the answer.
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people bitching about a 4A/1TO performance from Will clearly show they have no interest in critiquing his game but show they are just entrenched in their position to hate a player.
Did you watch the game or no? Or bother to read this thread? Don't respond, I know the answer.
the butt hurt is strong in your post.
keep in mind you don't need to read this thread in its entirety. rinse and repeat every week with the same suspects.
Very little levity is left here.
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I guess it's too much to ask your starting SHOOTING guard to actually make a shot or two. Hey only one turnover though! :dance:
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I guess it's too much to ask your starting SHOOTING guard to actually make a shot or two. Hey only one turnover! :dance:
you really think he is put in there as a true shooting guard, consistently throughout the season? I would love to know which season.
Look, Will is far from perfect and should be a role player. But he isn't, and never has been, because of the coaches and their systems. Trashing him repeatedly does nothing of value. We know certain people hate him, certain people make excuses for him, and others take him one game at a time. The consistent butthurt, specifically about Will, after a tough away win is just immature.
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I wonder what Shannon said to Will after today's game?
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He'll have a huge game soon and, yet again, everyone will be like, "Oh, man. oscar is a total genius."
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The guy is a junior and has arguably gotten worse each year. He'll keep getting criticism if he plays this many crappy minutes.
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i laughed out loud ten times today trying to imagine what a D1 basketball team full of will spradlings at every position on the floor would look like. would maybe win 4 big12 games. i mean, when the best thing you can say about a basketball player is that he's willing to play thirty minutes a game and completely just stay out of the way then you are talking about a person that just isn't very good at basketball.
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i laughed out loud ten times today trying to imagine what a D1 basketball team full of will spradlings at every position on the floor would look like. would maybe win 4 big12 games. i mean, when the best thing you can say about a basketball player is that he's willing to play thirty minutes a game and completely just stay out of the way then you are talking about a person that just isn't very good at basketball.
Like a team of Wills in various sizes and shapes of players from various positions? A 7'1" Will would be amazing. Soft enough to play Bruceketball for sure.
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basketball team full of will spradlings at every position on the floor
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He is the only player on the entire team that plays scared, and I hate him for it.
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i laughed out loud ten times today trying to imagine what a D1 basketball team full of will spradlings at every position on the floor would look like. would maybe win 4 big12 games. i mean, when the best thing you can say about a basketball player is that he's willing to play thirty minutes a game and completely just stay out of the way then you are talking about a person that just isn't very good at basketball.
Like a team of Wills in various sizes and shapes of players from various positions? A 7'1" Will would be amazing. Soft enough to play Bruceketball for sure.
Could be the ultimate Bruceketball fantasy.
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i laughed out loud ten times today trying to imagine what a D1 basketball team full of will spradlings at every position on the floor would look like. would maybe win 4 big12 games. i mean, when the best thing you can say about a basketball player is that he's willing to play thirty minutes a game and completely just stay out of the way then you are talking about a person that just isn't very good at basketball.
Like a team of Wills in various sizes and shapes of players from various positions? A 7'1" Will would be amazing. Soft enough to play Bruceketball for sure.
a 7'1" will would barely be able to walk athletically speaking. but yeah, that's the idea. i just lol wondering who would actually shoot the ball or try to do anything with it while on offense. thirty seconds of hot potato with someone finally getting stuck with the thing while the shot clock was running out and forced to shoot.
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i laughed out loud ten times today trying to imagine what a D1 basketball team full of will spradlings at every position on the floor would look like. would maybe win 4 big12 games. i mean, when the best thing you can say about a basketball player is that he's willing to play thirty minutes a game and completely just stay out of the way then you are talking about a person that just isn't very good at basketball.
Like a team of Wills in various sizes and shapes of players from various positions? A 7'1" Will would be amazing. Soft enough to play Bruceketball for sure.
a 7'1" will would barely be able to walk athletically speaking. but yeah, that's the idea. i just lol wondering who would actually shoot the ball or try to do anything with it while on offense. thirty seconds of hot potato with someone finally getting stuck with the thing while the shot clock was running out and forced to shoot.
imagine a 7'1 will doing the "charlie brown" tunnel dance though
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i laughed out loud ten times today trying to imagine what a D1 basketball team full of will spradlings at every position on the floor would look like. would maybe win 4 big12 games. i mean, when the best thing you can say about a basketball player is that he's willing to play thirty minutes a game and completely just stay out of the way then you are talking about a person that just isn't very good at basketball.
Like a team of Wills in various sizes and shapes of players from various positions? A 7'1" Will would be amazing. Soft enough to play Bruceketball for sure.
a 7'1" will would barely be able to walk athletically speaking. but yeah, that's the idea. i just lol wondering who would actually shoot the ball or try to do anything with it while on offense. thirty seconds of hot potato with someone finally getting stuck with the thing while the shot clock was running out and forced to shoot.
imagine a 7'1 will doing the "charlie brown" tunnel dance though
well yeah. that's just one of the many images i had while lol'ing all the way to the bank this afternoon.
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i laughed out loud ten times today trying to imagine what a D1 basketball team full of will spradlings at every position on the floor would look like. would maybe win 4 big12 games. i mean, when the best thing you can say about a basketball player is that he's willing to play thirty minutes a game and completely just stay out of the way then you are talking about a person that just isn't very good at basketball.
Like a team of Wills in various sizes and shapes of players from various positions? A 7'1" Will would be amazing. Soft enough to play Bruceketball for sure.
a 7'1" will would barely be able to walk athletically speaking. but yeah, that's the idea. i just lol wondering who would actually shoot the ball or try to do anything with it while on offense. thirty seconds of hot potato with someone finally getting stuck with the thing while the shot clock was running out and forced to shoot.
How many reverse pivots away from the lane could you get in one possession? With 5 Wills I'm betting the answer is a lot.
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i laughed out loud ten times today trying to imagine what a D1 basketball team full of will spradlings at every position on the floor would look like. would maybe win 4 big12 games. i mean, when the best thing you can say about a basketball player is that he's willing to play thirty minutes a game and completely just stay out of the way then you are talking about a person that just isn't very good at basketball.
Like a team of Wills in various sizes and shapes of players from various positions? A 7'1" Will would be amazing. Soft enough to play Bruceketball for sure.
a 7'1" will would barely be able to walk athletically speaking. but yeah, that's the idea. i just lol wondering who would actually shoot the ball or try to do anything with it while on offense. thirty seconds of hot potato with someone finally getting stuck with the thing while the shot clock was running out and forced to shoot.
imagine a 7'1 will doing the "charlie brown" tunnel dance though
well yeah. that's just one of the many images i had while lol'ing all the way to the bank this afternoon.
"Good tunnel dancer" would not be among Will's skill set at any height, IMO.
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The land mine of potential charges would render the other team helpless
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The land mine of potential charges would render the other team helpless
final score of games in the single digits? :dunno:
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Trashing him repeatedly does nothing of value.
If done to him, it could get him to transfer maybe. :dunno:
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Remember that one time today when Will actually tried to drive and score? Lol.
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Not sure if you've noticed, but Tay isn't very good.
Dnr the rest of this thread, but its clear that berries n cream is the biggest dumbass probably ever
I appreciate your dedication to the cause.
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Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....
i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time. will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.
i don't get why people hate him this season.
It's just people being fanboys and talking in extremes, using extremist descriptive words, especially when talking negatively about a player. I would imagine that at nearly every one of our regular players has been called, worthless, awful, terrible, etc. at one point or another this season. Rod is a good, possibly great college player. The only one we have on this team. The rest of our main guys are serviceable players who will have ups and downs. You don't get ranked #18 (probably higher after a likely win @TCU), with a bunch of crappy players.
What a stupid ass post. If you're going to make absurd generalizations like you did in the first sentence I feel completely comfortable calling dumbass when I see dumbass. There have been plenty of basketball and non basketball reasons why Will sucks, when Will sucks. There has also been plenty of praise for him when he's earned it. I pointed out his improvements in the early non con games. Everyone blew him after the Florida game. People point out when he sucks because he sucks a lot. For the second consecutive season he is the worst player in the regular rotation and it isn't at a position of depth. That coupled with what happened last March has rightly made him a target. If he plays better people will lay off.
The position that you, dlew, and edn (who hilariously calls people out for their assessment of Will and admits that he didn't see the game) are taking is much more alligned with fanboy behavior than the alternative because none of you have even attempted to use any basketball reasoning as to why the criticism is unwarranted. We've now gotten to the point that the guy is so regularly bad that we can't talk about him after games because people get sensitive. When the PP/NN thread comes out KK can just skip Will to spare your feelings.
Go sit in the corner with that fanboy bullshit.
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The position that you, dlew, and edn (who hilariously calls people out for their assessment of Will and admits that he didn't see the game) are taking is much more alligned with fanboy behavior than the alternative because none of you have even attempted to use any basketball reasoning as to why the criticism is unwarranted.
You're probably right. The "WILL IS A PIECE OF crap" stuff just gets exhausting though. .
It's probably a "me" problem.
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Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....
i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time. will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.
i don't get why people hate him this season.
It's just people being fanboys and talking in extremes, using extremist descriptive words, especially when talking negatively about a player. I would imagine that at nearly every one of our regular players has been called, worthless, awful, terrible, etc. at one point or another this season. Rod is a good, possibly great college player. The only one we have on this team. The rest of our main guys are serviceable players who will have ups and downs. You don't get ranked #18 (probably higher after a likely win @TCU), with a bunch of crappy players.
What a stupid ass post. If you're going to make absurd generalizations like you did in the first sentence I feel completely comfortable calling dumbass when I see dumbass. There have been plenty of basketball and non basketball reasons why Will sucks, when Will sucks. There has also been plenty of praise for him when he's earned it. I pointed out his improvements in the early non con games. Everyone blew him after the Florida game. People point out when he sucks because he sucks a lot. For the second consecutive season he is the worst player in the regular rotation and it isn't at a position of depth. That coupled with what happened last March has rightly made him a target. If he plays better people will lay off.
The position that you, dlew, and edn (who hilariously calls people out for their assessment of Will and admits that he didn't see the game) are taking is much more alligned with fanboy behavior than the alternative because none of you have even attempted to use any basketball reasoning as to why the criticism is unwarranted. We've now gotten to the point that the guy is so regularly bad that we can't talk about him after games because people get sensitive. When the PP/NN thread comes out KK can just skip Will to spare your feelings.
Go sit in the corner with that fanboy bullshit.
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I never even said Spradling was good. Everything I said in that post is true. Spradling is to goEMAW as Angel is to kstatefans and gpc. Is frustration directed towards Spradling on this board more warranted than that directed towards Angel on the other boards? I think so. That doesn't mean that it isn't often extremest and emotional rather than analytical. It's a regular current on this board and sports fandom in general. Like I said in my earlier post, it isn't just Spradling, but nearly every player on our roster.
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I never even said Spradling was good. Everything I said in that post is true. Spradling is to goEMAW as Angel is to kstatefans and gpc. Is frustration directed towards Spradling on this board more warranted than that directed towards Angel on the other boards? I think so. That doesn't mean that it isn't often extremest and emotional rather than analytical. It's a regular current on this board and sports fandom in general. Like I said in my earlier post, it isn't just Spradling, but nearly every player on our roster.
Mine is definitely emotional, but it stems from his inability to live up to his potential. Honestly, the kid could be a pretty decent shooter, and he just isn't. I hear all the time about how Rodney and Tay lived in the gym all summer, and how Southwell has been really working at correcting his shooting mechanics, but I never hear about Will going the extra mile to get out of this 18 month shooting slump he's been in. It doesn't mean he he hasn't, it just means I haven't heard about it...anybody know if Will is busting his ass to try and fix his shot?
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Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....
i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time. will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.
i don't get why people hate him this season.
It's just people being fanboys and talking in extremes, using extremist descriptive words, especially when talking negatively about a player. I would imagine that at nearly every one of our regular players has been called, worthless, awful, terrible, etc. at one point or another this season. Rod is a good, possibly great college player. The only one we have on this team. The rest of our main guys are serviceable players who will have ups and downs. You don't get ranked #18 (probably higher after a likely win @TCU), with a bunch of crappy players.
What a stupid ass post. If you're going to make absurd generalizations like you did in the first sentence I feel completely comfortable calling dumbass when I see dumbass. There have been plenty of basketball and non basketball reasons why Will sucks, when Will sucks. There has also been plenty of praise for him when he's earned it. I pointed out his improvements in the early non con games. Everyone blew him after the Florida game. People point out when he sucks because he sucks a lot. For the second consecutive season he is the worst player in the regular rotation and it isn't at a position of depth. That coupled with what happened last March has rightly made him a target. If he plays better people will lay off.
The position that you, dlew, and edn (who hilariously calls people out for their assessment of Will and admits that he didn't see the game) are taking is much more alligned with fanboy behavior than the alternative because none of you have even attempted to use any basketball reasoning as to why the criticism is unwarranted. We've now gotten to the point that the guy is so regularly bad that we can't talk about him after games because people get sensitive. When the PP/NN thread comes out KK can just skip Will to spare your feelings.
Go sit in the corner with that fanboy bullshit.
nice non sequitur from the front man of team pseudo.
Just because I didn't watch the game doesn't mean I didn't listen to it. Point here is that Will's name was mentioned very little in the broadcast. Just because I point out that he didn't have a bad game (as you lust for) doesn't mean I'm automatically a fan boy. At this point a good game for Will is one where he doesn't appear in the radio broadcast. that means he isn't turning the ball over, he isn't taking shitty shots, and he isn't failing to distribute the ball. A good game for Will is where he makes one extra pass to the assist man. A good game for him is hitting a 3 or two. What that means to me is that he doesn't disappear from the stat sheet or the game, but he isn't a point of failure. A great game for him is multiple assists, a few 3s, and being the assist man, see SDU. Would I like more, of course, but be a realist.
Your criticisms would be valid if he was playing below his own standard or more importantly below his skill set. We've known what Will is/was for quite sometime. To expect him to be something he isn't, and never has been, shows the logical fallacy of your position. Don't get frothingly mad at a kid who has never given you the expectation of something else.
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I never even said Spradling was good. Everything I said in that post is true. Spradling is to goEMAW as Angel is to kstatefans and gpc. Is frustration directed towards Spradling on this board more warranted than that directed towards Angel on the other boards? I think so. That doesn't mean that it isn't often extremest and emotional rather than analytical. It's a regular current on this board and sports fandom in general. Like I said in my earlier post, it isn't just Spradling, but nearly every player on our roster.
What an absurd comparison, and you know it too, nic karnes
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ednksu, he has gotten 30+ minutes on a Big 12 team for three years now. I think it's okay to have higher standards for him than "doesn't turn the ball over too much" and "stays out of the way". But you admitting that those are your expectations for him explains a lot.
I think it will be great when Marcus Foster gets half of Will's minutes next year while he's a freshman and Will is a senior.
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ednksu, he has gotten 30+ minutes on a Big 12 team for three years now. I think it's okay to have higher standards for him than "doesn't turn the ball over too much" and "stays out of the way". But you admitting that those are your expectations for him explains a lot.
I think it will be great when Marcus Foster gets half of Will's minutes next year while he's a freshman and Will is a senior.
I hope that Foster is good enough to do so. However, I'll be you a steak dinner that Will averages at least 29 mpg next season.
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Everyone agrees that will sucks. But angel is pretty sucky too and yet no one says anything.
All of the guard play has sucked.
In order of horribleness.
1) Angel - Bad (but usually can be relied upon to give us one or two decent stretches a game where he makes a rare open jump shot or a lay up on a drive to the basket or a good defensive play where he isn't called for a foul)
2) Tay - Marginally worse (but not that bad because we don't rely on his contribution and he's taking Will's minutes)
3) Will - The absolute worst (a shooting guard that can't shoot)
In summation, what's amazing is that we have found a way to win in spite of the glaringly inconsistent and mostly terrible guard play. Most of that is due to Rodney's resurgence and Southwell's emergence. Thanks, Rod and Shane, you guys have been great and we really appreciate you.
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Most of the critique on our guards comes from poor shooting and lack of ability to score, but in reality all 3 do some things well.
All 3 have good assist to TO ratios and defend well according to what they are asked to do. They combine for 10.4 assists per game compared to 4.5 TOs. We don't have a team full of players who can go get their own shot, so this is a good number, and scoring 64% shots off of assists reflects that. A key for this team in this season has been the rise in assist% combined with the drop in TO%. Now that the team is starting to hit shots (5 of the last 6 games shooting 49% or better) those numbers are paying off on offense.
Then you combine that with the defensive numbers; teams shoot poorly (44.9%) AND don't get many shots off of assists (45.7%) AND shoot poorly from 3 (30.4%). 3 point shooting is a bit of luck, but all these numbers also reflect really good defense as a team, and that includes the guards.
We haven't gotten to 13-2 by luck. We have one great player in Rod and the rest of the guys do their jobs well, even if they don't always shoot as well as we need them too. If we can get more consistent shooting by guys like Tay and Will while keeping Angel on the floor more (out of foul trouble) the upside for this team is even higher.
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Also those 3 combine for 2.8 steals on a team that averages 7.1 steals per game. This team steals the ball at a rate (10.6%) higher than any of the teams of the last 6 years while maintaining a high opponent TO% (22.9%).
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I guess it's too much to ask your starting SHOOTING guard to actually make a shot or two. Hey only one turnover though! :dance:
This !
Will Scott could knock down jumpers.
Lance Harris could rip the nets.
All we are asking for is WS to make some damn jump shots as a shooting guard, or play 15mpg instead of 32.
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I guess it's too much to ask your starting SHOOTING guard to actually make a shot or two. Hey only one turnover though! :dance:
This !
Will Scott could knock down jumpers.
Lance Harris could rip the nets.
All we are asking for is WS to make some damn jump shots as a shooting guard, or play 15mpg instead of 32.
Lance Harris shot 27% from 3 his junior year. Will is shooting 32% (which isn't awful).
I don't have a problem with Will's shooting percentage or most of the shots he's taking. I do think he should play less, and props to oscar for doing so.
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Read the entire thread. Most of the observations about Spradling could be applied to a number of other players on the team for certain stretches of their playing career at K-State. What makes some of you respected is the buzz that Spradling threatened to walk if Frank came back this season. You'll try to dress it up in pseudo HBBIQ language, but the bottom line is that Spradling's alleged role in Frank's departure guides your perception.
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I hate him because he's a FP, both in basketball and non-basketball. <--- pseudo HBBIQ language
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Read the entire thread. Most of the observations about Spradling could be applied to a number of other players on the team for certain stretches of their playing career at K-State.
Who? Did it go on for a full season and a half? And you must have missed last year's Spradling thread.
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I don't think anyone (or much of anyone) is saying Spradling isn't a well below average Big 12 starting guard. He absolutely is and it'd be pretty much impossible to argue otherwise. But expectations or not, the reality is we don't have better options.
Tay's numbers extended to equivalent minutes as Will come to:
6.7 points
3 rebounds
4.18 assists
1 steal
1.5 TOs
Obviously they don't play the same position with the same four players alongside them often, which no doubt has an effect. But it's not like Tay has shown indications he'd be a major improvement. His FG% is the same, his FT% is worse, and he has a 2% higher 3 pt. The assists rate is better, which further suggests Tay should be getting all of the backup PG minutes instead of Will. And since Will isn't doing much of value, I have no problem with a more even share of minutes until one actually proves to be better. But the reason Will plays so much, and has now for three seasons, is as big an indictment on Tay as anybody. Love the guy, but just not a particularly good basketball player and even with more minutes don't expect him to suddenly turn the corner and be a step above Spradling. I still don't get why oscar ran The Jet. Almost as bad as Orris over Gray. Would have been a valuable asset for this shooting challenged guard unit.
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art is hurt, that's why he is playing below his capabilities. if he isn't hurt, then i'm very disappointed with his progression this year, and would use that as a reason to hate weber.
spradling sucks, just like he sucked last year. southwell is much better. i think i was wrong when i said that spradling is a better 2 than southwell. southie's a better 4 than he is a 2, but he's probably a better 2 than spradling.
i don't know why the jet left. if i did know, and it was weber's fault, then that'd be a great thing to attack weber about. it is weird that people don't talk about it more.
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spradling sucks, just like he sucked last year. southwell is much better. i think i was wrong when i said that spradling is a better 2 than southwell. southie's a better 4 than he is a 2, but he's probably a better 2 than spradling.
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And yeah, all that other stuff is oscar's fault, Angel's injury included.
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art is hurt, that's why he is playing below his capabilities. if he isn't hurt, then i'm very disappointed with his progression this year, and would use that as a reason to hate weber.
spradling sucks, just like he sucked last year. southwell is much better. i think i was wrong when i said that spradling is a better 2 than southwell. southie's a better 4 than he is a 2, but he's probably a better 2 than spradling.
i don't know why the jet left. if i did know, and it was weber's fault, then that'd be a great thing to attack weber about. it is weird that people don't talk about it more.
this is a good point, however i was too busy focusing on my orris vs. gray stat comparisons.
quick stat: gray averages more ppg (9.7) than the number of games orris has played in (7)
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I hate him because he's a FP, both in basketball and non-basketball. <--- pseudo HBBIQ language
Don't recall you posting that after the Florida game. You know, where Spradling went for 17 points, 0 turnovers, 6 rebounds, 5 assists. Not pseudo HBBIQ language, straight from the box score that any respect could read. No he's not consistent, but name me a player on our roster who is.
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I hate him because he's a FP, both in basketball and non-basketball. <--- pseudo HBBIQ language
Don't recall you posting that after the Florida game. You know, where Spradling went for 17 points, 0 turnovers, 6 rebounds, 5 assists. Not pseudo HBBIQ language, straight from the box score that any respect could read. No he's not consistent, but name me a player on our roster who is.
There hasn't been a time in the last 2 years that I haven't said he's a rough ridin' pussy. I don't give a eff if he made some shots in front of a bunch of other #55 jersey-wearing pussies.
There is no stat line or comparison chart or anything you can post that's going to make him not a rough ridin' pussy.
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Here were my Will-centric posts after the Florida game:
Will played in front of the most will friendly crowd of his career to date. So many super white ppl in 55 jerseys and shirts.
It's not particularly easy to get a #55 jersey, is it? Unless you're getting a hookup from the team, you have to order it special from varney's or the superstore or something, and even then you're getting a shitty, not-quite-right screen print version, right?
I'd guess Frank regrets recruiting Will.
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i don't know why the jet left. if i did know, and it was weber's fault, then that'd be a great thing to attack weber about. it is weird that people don't talk about it more.
i tried to lay the groundwork last month
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25144.0
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Man. The Jet was a beautiful thing.
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This transfer does not come as a surprise. Coach oscar Weber indicated that Jones was considering a transfer when the senior guard quit attending practices over a week ago. Additionally, his later arrival this summer had miffed some of his teammates, and caused concern within the coaching staff regarding his level of commitment to the program.
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not a Division I bball coach but...if you get beat off the dribble by a Division II guard...you would be sitting on my bench
his lack of athleticism constantly puts the team at a disadvantage by forcing defensive rotation...luckily we are pretty good at it and teams miss shots
IMO his best attribute is team defense (do recruiting services evaluate this talent??). but when he is the one giving up the penetration it pretty much negates that
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i place some of the blame on Orris though...only cause i assume that is who will guards in practice
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i place some of the blame on Orris though...only cause i assume that is who will guards in practice
Food for thought.
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not a Division I bball coach but...if you get beat off the dribble by a Division II guard...you would be sitting on my bench
his lack of athleticism constantly puts the team at a disadvantage by forcing defensive rotation...luckily we are pretty good at it and teams miss shots
IMO his best attribute is team defense (do recruiting services evaluate this talent??). but when he is the one giving up the penetration it pretty much negates that
You win. Best post and screen name. Sys good reminder about jet too
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I don't want to give up on Will...I really don't. But I'm getting closer.