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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: steve dave on January 03, 2013, 08:10:02 AM
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Good piece by Haskin but he doesn't even bring up Dimel. Kind of feels like an internal struggle is starting with the Snyders on one side and Dimel on the other. Currie is probably not paying attention to either one.
http://cjonline.com/sports/2013-01-02/kevin-haskin-succession-plan-k-state-coaching-spot-prickly
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Afterward, members of K-State’s public relations team chastised me for asking the question.
I mean, come on
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Afterward, members of K-State’s public relations team chastised me for asking the question.
I mean, come on
Kansas State is a special place, and it’s a little bit of a different place
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Afterward, members of K-State’s public relations team chastised me for asking the question.
I mean, come on
Wonder what they said? Since most of us have never been chastised by our current AD, we have no biases to understand what it is like to chastised by them. Maybe Kevin will let us know later on. Till then I think he is just a fat whinny baby.
By the way, Bill has been scheming us all along throwing Sean carrots out there. He wants best for his kid but he knows Sean is not HC material, otherwise he would have him doing something other than special teams, he would be out OC. If anything Bill is just making sure no one with pull forgets about Sean when time comes for a new staff. He is making sure Sean is not out on his ass when Currie moves in and picks his new football staff.
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PR isn't happy with a question? SHOCKING.
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This x10,000 when LHCBS leaves.
ArkieCat 01/02/13 - 04:54 pm Why question Coach Snyder?
I understand the feeling that the majority of people I've talked to have about Sean Snyder following Coach LHC Bill Snyder. But I have only this to say. After all that this man has accomplished, why question his judgement on anything? End of statement.
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This x10,000 when LHCBS leaves.
ArkieCat 01/02/13 - 04:54 pm Why question Coach Snyder?
I understand the feeling that the majority of people I've talked to have about Sean Snyder following Coach LHC Bill Snyder. But I have only this to say. After all that this man has accomplished, why question his judgement on anything? End of statement.
Why? Major conflict of interest. Duh.
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Afterward, members of K-State’s public relations team chastised me for asking the question.
I mean, come on
Wonder what they said? Since most of us have never been chastised by our current AD, we have no biases to understand what it is like to chastised by them.
you're probably the only person on this board who hasn't been chastised by the current AD
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Good piece by Haskin but he doesn't even bring up Dimel. Kind of feels like an internal struggle is starting with the Snyders on one side and Dimel on the other. Currie is probably not paying attention to either one.
http://cjonline.com/sports/2013-01-02/kevin-haskin-succession-plan-k-state-coaching-spot-prickly
Ron Zook is waiting patiently by the phone...
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Currie will make an offer(a cheap one) to Peterson, will get violently mushed then laughed at, then will call some fired loser and tell us how he is an allstar coach and how nice of a guy he is.
I just really hope that he picks up on the theme of DITR and talks about how the new fired loser is good at identifying DITR's and coaching them up to be solid young men that KSU'ers can be proud of.
Then Currie will high five the crap out of his bro's and collect on his bet that he could totally ruin KSU sports in under 3 yrs.
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Good piece by Haskin but he doesn't even bring up Dimel. Kind of feels like an internal struggle is starting with the Snyders on one side and Dimel on the other. Currie is probably not paying attention to either one.
http://cjonline.com/sports/2013-01-02/kevin-haskin-succession-plan-k-state-coaching-spot-prickly
Ron Zook is waiting patiently by the phone...
GAH!
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This x10,000 when LHCBS leaves.
ArkieCat 01/02/13 - 04:54 pm Why question Coach Snyder?
I understand the feeling that the majority of people I've talked to have about Sean Snyder following Coach LHC Bill Snyder. But I have only this to say. After all that this man has accomplished, why question his judgement on anything? End of statement.
Why? Major conflict of interest. Duh.
I should state that I do not agree with the commentor...I'm just pointing out that the majority of our fanbase will say this exact thing.
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This x10,000 when LHCBS leaves.
ArkieCat 01/02/13 - 04:54 pm Why question Coach Snyder?
I understand the feeling that the majority of people I've talked to have about Sean Snyder following Coach LHC Bill Snyder. But I have only this to say. After all that this man has accomplished, why question his judgement on anything? End of statement.
Why? Major conflict of interest. Duh.
I should state that I do not agree with the commentor...I'm just pointing out that the majority of our fanbase will say this exact thing.
Definitely. And it's not as though they can't make a good case for Sean. But appealing to Snyder's judgement in this particular case is remarkably idiotic.
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Currie will make an offer(a cheap one) to Peterson, will get violently mushed then laughed at, then will call some fired loser and tell us how he is an allstar coach and how nice of a guy he is.
I just really hope that he picks up on the theme of DITR and talks about how the new fired loser is good at identifying DITR's and coaching them up to be solid young men that KSU'ers can be proud of.
Then Currie will high five the crap out of his bro's and collect on his bet that he could totally ruin KSU sports in under 3 yrs.
When does he have the AD pay his bro $100k?
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After him and said bro enjoy a three day Dallas Currie-bender on hotel pools, eggs benedict and mimosa brunches, and some hotel bar tabs(all expensed to KSU).
So, sometime before the presser. Gotta have it in hand before backlash from fans.
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The real nightmare scenario is that whatever loser currie hires loses his ass off, currie is either gone by that point or fired AND THEN there is this tuck/snyder ground swell to hire sean.
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I can't even imagine what this board would be like if Sean is hired.
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I can't even imagine what this board would be like if Sean is hired.
He had better not lose a single game.
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Sean is the not-a-proven-loser that this board craves. What we have here is a confluence of gE and tuck desires embodied in one man!
I personally can't wait for LHCSS!!
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http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2012/12/report-kansas-state-co-offensive-coordinator-dana-dimel-wants-to-be-bill-snyders-successor-as-wildcats-head-coach.html/
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They've got to give it to dimel. Sean can stay on.
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Afterward, members of K-State’s public relations team chastised me for asking the question.
I mean, come on
I remember a time when transparency was the focus of the AD. I guess we've transgressed. :blindfold:
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Sean is the not-a-proven-loser that this board craves. What we have here is a confluence of gE and tuck desires embodied in one man!
I personally can't wait for LHCSS!!
Honestly, I would probably like Sean a lot more if he weren't so ugly.
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Sean Snyder would be just as likely to succeed as anyone else KSU could hire. It's a rough ridin' crapshoot at our level, dudes.
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Sean Snyder would be just as likely to succeed as anyone else KSU could hire. It's a rough ridin' crapshoot at our level, dudes.
NOBODY HAVE ANY OPINIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER!
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http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2012/12/report-kansas-state-co-offensive-coordinator-dana-dimel-wants-to-be-bill-snyders-successor-as-wildcats-head-coach.html/
Dimel makes a good point about his experiences...Sean hasn't had to cut his teeth in the "real world".
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Do we really need to do this crap again today? JFC, it has been hashed.
Let's talk about LSOC partying in people's faces tonight.
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Do we really need to do this crap again today? JFC, it has been hashed.
Let's talk about LSOC partying in people's faces tonight.
I hope you party all over their faces. :lynchmob:
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Sean Snyder would be just as likely to succeed as anyone else KSU could hire. It's a rough ridin' crapshoot at our level, dudes.
NOBODY HAVE ANY OPINIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER!
No one has presented an argument to support the opinion that Sean would be worse than Dimel or anyone else KSU could realistically hire. The best I've gotten is "he wouldn't be able to hire a staff". Which is pretty goddam vague and again, an opinion.
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Do we really need to do this crap again today? JFC, it has been hashed.
Let's talk about LSOC partying in people's faces tonight.
I hope you party all over their faces. :lynchmob:
:lynchmob: :dance:
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Sean Snyder would be just as likely to succeed as anyone else KSU could hire. It's a rough ridin' crapshoot at our level, dudes.
NOBODY HAVE ANY OPINIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER!
No one has presented an argument to support the opinion that Sean would be worse than Dimel or anyone else KSU could realistically hire. The best I've gotten is "he wouldn't be able to hire a staff". Which is pretty goddam vague and again, an opinion.
who cares, it's a crapshoot at our level dude
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Sean Snyder would be just as likely to succeed as anyone else KSU could hire. It's a rough ridin' crapshoot at our level, dudes.
NOBODY HAVE ANY OPINIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER!
No one has presented an argument to support the opinion that Sean would be worse than Dimel or anyone else KSU could realistically hire. The best I've gotten is "he wouldn't be able to hire a staff". Which is pretty goddam vague and again, an opinion.
who cares, it's a crapshoot at our level dude
then let's get a live shooter boys!
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Sean Snyder would be just as likely to succeed as anyone else KSU could hire. It's a rough ridin' crapshoot at our level, dudes.
NOBODY HAVE ANY OPINIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER!
No one has presented an argument to support the opinion that Sean would be worse than Dimel or anyone else KSU could realistically hire. The best I've gotten is "he wouldn't be able to hire a staff". Which is pretty goddam vague and again, an opinion.
who cares, it's a crapshoot at our level dude
I'm willing to listen to arguments that go beyond "DEEERRRRRRRR. SEAN BAAAAADDDD. DIMEL GOOD".
Sway me, or something.
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I will say, from all that's said about the "coaching fraternity" I would think it might be difficult for a guy like sean to assemble a staff. I would think he not be taken seriously a little because he's basically riding coat tails.
whoever it is has got to get athletes, motivate them, and be able to put together successful game plans.
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michigan is right. not wanting s.synd just because it's nepotistic is stupid and possibly racist.
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Cire's post about the staff is enough of a reason to be racist against Sean.
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i worry about sean because he's never been anywhere but kstate and has never worked for anyone other than his dad. that doesn't exactly scream out that he has aspirations and is driven to be incredibly successful in his endeavors as a head coach at a major university. i worry about his connections and ability to recruit partly because of previously mentioned stuff but also because he has only been a "coach" for two years. how many other coaches does he know? how many clinics has he gone to? how has he networked? i worry that i can't remember a coach ever being promoted from special teams coach to head coach. ever. i worry that i've never heard of a father taking over for a son and being successful. i worry that people that know sean or have worked around him do not scream about how great he is and would be at the job. i'm worried that he would be easy to negative recruit against. i worry that it would be difficult for kstate to fire him if all signs pointed to the fact that he needed to be. he played at kstate. his name is on the stadium. his dad is LHC LHC Bill Snyder. he's very entrenched as a townie at this point in his life. so while other coaches might be very likely to fail, it would be easy to get rid of them. much harder with sean.
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Don't worry be happy. :D
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name a father-son succession plan in any sport that has worked.
you can't.
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i worry about sean because he's never been anywhere but kstate and has never worked for anyone other than his dad. that doesn't exactly scream out that he has aspirations and is driven to be incredibly successful in his endeavors as a head coach at a major university. i worry about his connections and ability to recruit partly because of previously mentioned stuff but also because he has only been a "coach" for two years. how many other coaches does he know? how many clinics has he gone to? how has he networked? i worry that i can't remember a coach ever being promoted from special teams coach to head coach. ever. i worry that i've never heard of a father taking over for a son and being successful. i worry that people that know sean or have worked around him do not scream about how great he is and would be at the job. i'm worried that he would be easy to negative recruit against. i worry that it would be difficult for kstate to fire him if all signs pointed to the fact that he needed to be. he played at kstate. his name is on the stadium. his dad is LHC LHC Bill Snyder. he's very entrenched as a townie at this point in his life.
You may as well just etch this in stone because that pretty much covers all of it.
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Crapshoot. and the fact that we are deciding between Bill's son and Dana Dimel as our next coach is painfully hilarious. I take that back, someone mentioned Ron Zook. I pick him
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Dimel is very good looking. Goes pretty far in the mocat person rating scale (look at my avatar).
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i worry about sean because he's never been anywhere but kstate and has never worked for anyone other than his dad. that doesn't exactly scream out that he has aspirations and is driven to be incredibly successful in his endeavors as a head coach at a major university. i worry about his connections and ability to recruit partly because of previously mentioned stuff but also because he has only been a "coach" for two years. how many other coaches does he know? how many clinics has he gone to? how has he networked? i worry that i can't remember a coach ever being promoted from special teams coach to head coach. ever. i worry that i've never heard of a father taking over for a son and being successful. i worry that people that know sean or have worked around him do not scream about how great he is and would be at the job. i'm worried that he would be easy to negative recruit against. i worry that it would be difficult for kstate to fire him if all signs pointed to the fact that he needed to be. he played at kstate. his name is on the stadium. his dad is LHC Bill Snyder. he's very entrenched as a townie at this point in his life.
Great summary. I like Dimel because people ITK say he has basically taken the reigns from Bill on offense/play calling and we've had a couple pretty great years back to back on that side of the ball. I think his play calling fits the parts we have on offense. Whether you think it is a positive or a negative he would keep the staff together for the most part (not you Mo), I see this as a positive because we have something good going right now and I like some of our assistants (first time I've been able to say that under Bill in a long time). He has experience as a HC at multiple places (one good, one sucky). He isn't super old (not really a positive but not a negative).
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name a father-son succession plan in any sport that has worked.
you can't.
there are several that were fine in bball.
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dimel is a proven failure as a head coach. snyder has never failed at anything he's tried to accomplish.
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name a father-son succession plan in any sport that has worked.
you can't.
there are several that were fine in bball.
link?
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name a father-son succession plan in any sport that has worked.
you can't.
there are several that were fine in bball.
link?
I'm thinking Georgetown would qualify.
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With either Dimel or Sean - At least DSams would likely be utilized to his potential as a QB. That's gotta be a positive for either guy... right?
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name a father-son succession plan in any sport that has worked.
you can't.
there are several that were fine in bball.
link?
I'm thinking Georgetown would qualify.
possibly.
in this region, my first thoughts were the suttons and knights. both were awful ideas.
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name a father-son succession plan in any sport that has worked.
you can't.
there are several that were fine in bball.
link?
He's (always) thinking about the Drews.
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dimel is a proven failure as a head coach. snyder has never failed at anything he's tried to accomplish.
i guess the counter to this would be that it doesn't appear like he's ever tried to accomplish anything in his professional career.
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Roger and Brooks Barta. That's all I got.
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friend of goEMAW holly rowe asked Bill about retiring after this season and he said it's "not in his plans."
bill and holly are bff's, he wouldn't lie to her.
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is there any reason to believe that sean wouldn't do everything exactly like his dad?
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is there any reason to believe that sean wouldn't do everything exactly like his dad?
was there any reason to believe sean sutton or pat knight wouldn't?
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ISWT
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Team Dimel
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Afterward, members of K-State’s public relations team chastised me for asking the question.
I mean, come on
Kansas State is a special place, and it’s a little bit of a different place
Is it the Brownback effect?
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Afterward, members of K-State’s public relations team chastised me for asking the question.
I mean, come on
Kansas State is a special place, and it’s a little bit of a different place
Is it the Brownback effect?
you'd have to ask sean snyder. it's his quote and i'm not sure even he knows what it means. good to see you btw. who are you cheering for tonight?
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i guess the counter to this would be that it doesn't appear like he's ever tried to accomplish anything in his professional career.
sounds like he'd be a great game manager.
since he's a st guru, he could also probably promise both o and d coords huge freedoms and powers and get the cream of the crop on both sides.
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i guess the counter to this would be that it doesn't appear like he's ever tried to accomplish anything in his professional career.
sounds like he'd be a great game manager.
since he's a st guru, he could also probably promise both o and d coords huge freedoms and powers and get the cream of the crop on both sides.
that sounds great. maybe the three of them could then flip a coin each week to see who was in charge and had the final decision on team related issues.
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that sounds great. maybe the three of them could then flip a coin each week to see who was in charge and had the final decision on team related issues.
he's a snyder, rick daris.
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is there any reason to believe that sean wouldn't do everything exactly like his dad?
was there any reason to believe sean sutton or pat knight wouldn't?
pat knight did. also, looks like we're at a standstill!
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the fact that he's snyders son is not a negative for me. the fact that he finished playing the position of punter at kstate twenty five years ago, never left and is currently only a second year special teams coach is.
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the fact that he's snyders son is not a negative for me. the fact that he finished playing the position of punter at kstate twenty five years ago, never left and is currently only a second year special teams coach is.
ker-BLAM!
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i worry about sean because he's never been anywhere but kstate and has never worked for anyone other than his dad. that doesn't exactly scream out that he has aspirations and is driven to be incredibly successful in his endeavors as a head coach at a major university. i worry about his connections and ability to recruit partly because of previously mentioned stuff but also because he has only been a "coach" for two years. how many other coaches does he know? how many clinics has he gone to? how has he networked? i worry that i can't remember a coach ever being promoted from special teams coach to head coach. ever. i worry that i've never heard of a father taking over for a son and being successful. i worry that people that know sean or have worked around him do not scream about how great he is and would be at the job. i'm worried that he would be easy to negative recruit against. i worry that it would be difficult for kstate to fire him if all signs pointed to the fact that he needed to be. he played at kstate. his name is on the stadium. his dad is LHC Bill Snyder. he's very entrenched as a townie at this point in his life.
Great summary. I like Dimel because people ITK say he has basically taken the reigns from Bill on offense/play calling and we've had a couple pretty great years back to back on that side of the ball. I think his play calling fits the parts we have on offense. Whether you think it is a positive or a negative he would keep the staff together for the most part (not you Mo), I see this as a positive because we have something good going right now and I like some of our assistants (first time I've been able to say that under Bill in a long time). He has experience as a HC at multiple places (one good, one sucky). He isn't super old (not really a positive but not a negative).
This sums up why I want Dimel. I think Snyder has assembled a roster that should be pretty great on the offensive side of the ball with his system, so if he were to retire after this system, I would prefer continuity. I think Dimel would continue to run exactly the same offense. Sean would probably try, but he has no experience calling plays. I'm worried that without a lot of continuity, our roster is mostly made up of 5 heart players who other coaches would struggle to plug into a different system. The fanbase will not be patient with the next coach, and if we don't win early, we could be pretty bad for a long time.
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Sean Snyder would be just as likely to succeed as anyone else KSU could hire. It's a rough ridin' crapshoot at our level, dudes.
Amen to this.
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Holly Rowe ?@sportsiren
Kansas St fans will be glad to know. I asked 73 yr old LHC Bill Snyder any chance this would be his last game "That is not my plan" #FiestaBowl
No reason to talk about this today.
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Holly Rowe ?@sportsiren
Kansas St fans will be glad to know. I asked 73 yr old LHC Bill Snyder any chance this would be his last game "That is not my plan" #FiestaBowl
No reason to talk about this today.
oh hey, great scoop, luke hayes
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the fact that he's snyders son is not a negative for me. the fact that he finished playing the position of punter at kstate twenty five years ago, never left and is currently only a second year special teams coach is.
so in short, the fact that he's snyder's son is a positive for you and would make you want to hire him except he hasn't met the rick daris's meter for exceeding in life.
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So, Dimel/Sean. Garbage HCIW candidates iyam. Sean's had issues with kickoffs all season and Dimel learned nothing from the Baylor game. Also can't run/implement anything resembling a hurry-up offense.
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I like Sean. That said, not Sean as HC. There is a difference.
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hire anyone that will run one of the no huddle offenses. we may as well use one until the ncaa finally has the good sense to outlaw them.
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fact 1: Currie will actually try to make a big time hire at K-State
-Why: People hire ADs for managing football programs at the majority of schools. If he wants to move, he has to make a good hire
-What is different: He CANNOT oscar a football hire. He knows that people care just enough about football that he can't hire any ole dumbass. Instead he mushed our fan base with oscar because he knew tucks would love it, and would string us along until we forgot about basketball again as a fan base.
fact 2: Sean Snyder cannot be our head coach if we want to succeed. You're an idiot if you think its a crap shoot. How many quality assistants have moved on from this coaching tree to become good head coaches? NO ONE regards Sean as a quality assistant
-See the repeated FAILURES on special team just in tonight in the Fiesta Bowl. Absolutely horrid. If he can't manage the special teams unit, how is he going to manage the entire program.
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Holly Rowe ?@sportsiren
Kansas St fans will be glad to know. I asked 73 yr old LHC Bill Snyder any chance this would be his last game "That is not my plan" #FiestaBowl
No reason to talk about this today.
Snyder has a plan!?! :love:
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the fact that he's snyders son is not a negative for me. the fact that he finished playing the position of punter at kstate twenty five years ago, never left and is currently only a second year special teams coach is.
so in short, the fact that he's snyder's son is a positive for you and would make you want to hire him except he hasn't met the rick daris's meter for exceeding in life.
for the reading impaired: i don't care who his dad is but i would like our next head football coach to have more experience than two years of coaching special teams. knock yourself out though clams. maybe you could hire him and then marry him all in the same week he's all you ever talk about anyway. sean would do it this way and sean snyder blah blah. quite the agenda. sorry if the rest of us aren't quite as enamored with him as you are.
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pretty clear that clams and sean are dating
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Holly Rowe ?@sportsiren
Kansas St fans will be glad to know. I asked 73 yr old LHC Bill Snyder any chance this would be his last game "That is not my plan" #FiestaBowl
No reason to talk about this today.
Snyder has a plan!?! :love:
I'm surprised that anyone hasn't figured that plan out yet - Hang on until he can force Sean into the HC position.
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Yes, if the last three years have taught us anything - it is that Sean is a coaching genius just like his old man. He may not be charismatic, which might inhibit his recruiting, but as our stellar performances in the post season demonstrate, stars don't matter anyway.