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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Emo EMAW on December 15, 2012, 09:21:15 PM
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Takes an experienced team and loses to a mid major. Awful. Get him out of here.
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we just hired him, bro
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burn
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This team is lost and I'm not sure oscar can find it.
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Makes me sad
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I would love to fight him IRL.
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I think many people thought that our half court offense couldn't get worse than it was under Frank. Those people were wrong.
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#Burnitdown
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This team is lost and I'm not sure oscar can find it.
Sounds like last year at Illinois.
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One. this team loses frank martins defensive discipline this is going to be the worst team in the big 12
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One. this team loses frank martins defensive discipline this is going to be the worst team in the big 12
They've already lost it
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I think many people thought that our half court offense couldn't get worse than it was under Frank. Those people were wrong.
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Frank's teams at least looked competitive while losing to midmajors in the non-con / tourney.
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This game said it all. No choice but to root to lose every game from here on out.
Watching this game makes me want to take a steaming crap right on JC's chest.
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Should of never been hired...I rough ridin' hate his motion offence:barf:
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Florida is going to do things to us that would make catzacker blush
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This team is lost and I'm not sure oscar can find it.
when fan says something like this, then you know it's officially time to panic.
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This team is lost and I'm not sure oscar can find it.
when fan says something like this, then you know it's officially time to panic.
ksu_FWN
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Florida is going to do things to us that would make catzacker blush
We're going to be farting blood for weeks.
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oscar rough ridin' Weber ... nobody does it better!
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It's not the players it's the coach. Weber doesn't know what the eff he's doing so the players don't know what they're supposed to be doing. When oscar Weber is out there yelling and waving his arms he's just pretending. He doesn't know what he's doing, so he just has to act like he does.
He's an abomination to college basketball.
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This team is lost and I'm not sure oscar can find it.
Unfortunately, I agree with you.
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This team is lost and I'm not sure oscar can find it.
We're done.
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"No shame in losing to two top 15 teams...kept it close in the first half..." wooly flashbacks
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"No shame in losing to two top 15 teams...kept it close in the first half..." wooly flashbacks
I miss Wooly nowadays.
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Nice Guy oscar didn't even get to conference play before his first passive aggressive technical
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"No shame in losing to two top 15 teams...kept it close in the first half..." wooly flashbacks
I miss Wooly nowadays.
At least, with Wooly, we never really got our hopes up. We knew we sucked and we were okay with that. At least I was okay with it. Then Huggs and Frank have to come along and get me all excited and now we're stuck with rough ridin' chicken nuggets.
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This team is lost and I'm not sure oscar can find it.
when fan says something like this, then you know it's officially time to panic.
oh, _fan can meltdown, don't let his middle-of-the-roadiness fool you.
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This team is lost and I'm not sure oscar can find it.
when fan says something like this, then you know it's officially time to panic.
oh, _fan can meltdown, don't let his middle-of-the-roadiness fool you.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_90NFXzFhtoY%2FSZ2GHS1Q4bI%2FAAAAAAAAAOQ%2F3TmlU3ZMUMM%2Fs400%2Fturn%2Boff%2Blight.gif&hash=5262d7c9b664cc367120c6af7e4aa4095b9add5c)
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Please just let these guys play their craptastic brand of jyc basketball in our garbage ass league for one more season. All we're asking is for the same team as last year to make another NCAA appearance. If we can't get there because of some meatball style of play, that clown deserves how uncomfortable this will become.
Win with what you've been dealt. There is no tolerance for throwing away a season for the sake of a 'system' in big time athletics any more, especially considering the tepid response to the hire to begin with.
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I can't effing wait until bill self gets his hands on us. the money tucks will go nuts when we lose by 40 at the fOOD
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There is no tolerance for throwing away a season for the sake of a 'system' in big time athletics any more, especially considering the tepid response to the hire to begin with.
Oh, Brucie won't be shown an ounce of tolerance.
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#bringbackneckbrace
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I can't wait for the guy from Phillips (the company) that gave $5MM for the BTF so call Currie and say "I gave $5MM for this crap?"
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There is no tolerance for throwing away a season for the sake of a 'system' in big time athletics any more, especially considering the tepid response to the hire to begin with.
Oh, Brucie won't be shown an ounce of tolerance.
Unfortunately he'll be shown mountains of tolerance by Currie. Firing him before his contract is up would hurt the bottom line, which is all he cares about.
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There is no tolerance for throwing away a season for the sake of a 'system' in big time athletics any more, especially considering the tepid response to the hire to begin with.
Oh, Brucie won't be shown an ounce of tolerance.
Unfortunately he'll be shown mountains of tolerance by Currie. Firing him before his contract is up would hurt the bottom line, which is all he cares about.
I meant by us.
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I can't wait for the guy from Phillips (the company) that gave $5MM for the BTF so call Currie and say "I gave $5MM for this crap?"
critical point! People have invested a crap load of money in the program. It took a long time to get Wooly out because no one game a eff.
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There is no tolerance for throwing away a season for the sake of a 'system' in big time athletics any more, especially considering the tepid response to the hire to begin with.
Oh, Brucie won't be shown an ounce of tolerance.
Unfortunately he'll be shown mountains of tolerance by Currie. Firing him before his contract is up would hurt the bottom line, which is all he cares about.
I meant by us.
Oh, I know. I was #teamburnitdown long before it was cool.
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I think many people thought that our half court offense couldn't get worse than it was under Frank. Those people were wrong.
But as soon as they grasp Coach Weber's motion offense it's all going to change. He's like the best motion offense coach in the world guys.... C'mon.
TapiPhone
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There is no tolerance for throwing away a season for the sake of a 'system' in big time athletics any more, especially considering the tepid response to the hire to begin with.
Oh, Brucie won't be shown an ounce of tolerance.
Unfortunately he'll be shown mountains of tolerance by Currie. Firing him before his contract is up would hurt the bottom line, which is all he cares about.
I meant by us.
Oh, I know. I was #teamburnitdown long before it was cool.
I almost got in a wreck when I got the call about the hire. TRUE STORY.
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There is no tolerance for throwing away a season for the sake of a 'system' in big time athletics any more, especially considering the tepid response to the hire to begin with.
Oh, Brucie won't be shown an ounce of tolerance.
Unfortunately he'll be shown mountains of tolerance by Currie. Firing him before his contract is up would hurt the bottom line, which is all he cares about.
I meant by us.
Oh, I know. I was #teamburnitdown long before it was cool.
I almost got in a wreck when I got the call about the hire. TRUE STORY.
I was at the first stop on a pub crawl waiting for others to arrive. It was me, sister-in-law & her husband (season ticket holders), another KSU fan, and his huge Iowa Hawkeye fiance. When the news first broke, we thought it was a joke. The huge Iowa fan was laughing because how ridiculous she thought it was that anyone would hire oscar and the thought, even if it was just a joke, made her laugh. We all laughed at how bad of a hire it would have been and how Currie couldn't eff it up that bad. 10-minutes later we found out it was true.
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There is no tolerance for throwing away a season for the sake of a 'system' in big time athletics any more, especially considering the tepid response to the hire to begin with.
Oh, Brucie won't be shown an ounce of tolerance.
Unfortunately he'll be shown mountains of tolerance by Currie. Firing him before his contract is up would hurt the bottom line, which is all he cares about.
I meant by us.
Oh, I know. I was #teamburnitdown long before it was cool.
Everyone hated the hire when it was made you dumbass.
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Also, the Iowa fan told me that in Big10 circles they refer to oscar as "Beaker". I can't decide if this is an appropriate nickname or not.
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Also, the Iowa fan told me that in Big10 circles they refer to oscar as "Beaker". I can't decide if this is an appropriate nickname or not.
It works. In fact, here is a pretty good representation of this season
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F2%2F2c%2FBeaker_muppet.jpg%2F250px-Beaker_muppet.jpg&hash=da207d6ad098bdf6f333730beb629ce5d8131f83)
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I think many people thought that our half court offense couldn't get worse than it was under Frank. Those people were wrong.
But as soon as they grasp Coach Weber's motion offense it's all going to change. He's like the best motion offense coach in the world guys.... C'mon.
TapiPhone
Not going to defend Frank and what would've become of his future - nor that he would've beaten UM or gonzaga - but this team's equalizer is to crap things up for 40 minutes and make a better opponent earn it.
We are about to sit here and shoot our dicks off for 3 months.
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Also, the Iowa fan told me that in Big10 circles they refer to oscar as "Beaker". I can't decide if this is an appropriate nickname or not.
It works. In fact, here is a pretty good representation of this season
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F2%2F2c%2FBeaker_muppet.jpg%2F250px-Beaker_muppet.jpg&hash=da207d6ad098bdf6f333730beb629ce5d8131f83)
Thanks for the avi.
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Also, the Iowa fan told me that in Big10 circles they refer to oscar as "Beaker". I can't decide if this is an appropriate nickname or not.
It works. In fact, here is a pretty good representation of this season
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F2%2F2c%2FBeaker_muppet.jpg%2F250px-Beaker_muppet.jpg&hash=da207d6ad098bdf6f333730beb629ce5d8131f83)
Thanks for the avi.
:cheers:
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I cringed for you guys when the annoucement was made...You honestly got a mid major asst coach
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I'm genuinely sorry, KSU fans. I'd like to be able to say things will get better, but they won't. This is Weberball. It loses basketball games and kills the spirit of fans and players.
It would be more tolerable if he were likable, but he's totally not likable. As much as he's in over his head at the major college level, it's not his fault. Your A.D. is a total dumbass for hiring him. Of course you know this.
It is possible you could get into B12 play and win your home games and maybe steal a couple on the road and sneak into the tourney. But if that happens, that will be the high point of the Weber Era at KSU. He's simply in over his head. His style of play is archaic and he will not be able to recruit the type of athletes you need to compete in the B12.
Your best hope is for things to get really ugly, really quickly. Maybe you only have him for one more year. There's really no in-between. You have to hope he somehow does really well or very, very poorly. If he does just enough to hang on to the job, this is your worst-case scenario. Illini fans were literally mad if we won a game last year when things started to get bad. Every loss meant we were one step closer to being rid of him. We couldn't risk winning meaningless games.
I'd say good luck, but it would be more prudent to say bad luck.
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.....but he has candy in his office
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Thats what 8 years of WEBERBALL does to you................
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Realistically, is there any performance level that would lead to oscar being fired after year 1?
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Realistically, is there any performance level that would lead to oscar being fired after year 1?
0-18 in phillips 66?
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would 4-14 with only home wins over TCU, Tech, WVU, and UT do the trick?
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If the kind of basketball you saw tonight got him hired, why would it get him fired? Didn't Currie watch any Illinois games last year?
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I just need 5 years to straighten this thing out, guys. I will have us on the bubble in no time. -Bubbles
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Didn't Currie watch any Illinois games last year?
I would bet $1,000 the answer to that question is, "No."
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If the kind of basketball you saw tonight got him hired, why would it get him fired?
thanks. some of our posters needed to have their hopes crushed.
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Before tonight, hope seemed like one possible path.
#burn
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Realistically, is there any performance level that would lead to oscar being fired after year 1?
0-18 in phillips 66?
Hopefully
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If the kind of basketball you saw tonight got him hired, why would it get him fired?
thanks. some of our posters needed to have their hopes crushed.
Really? Having our hopes crushed is what we "need" right now? They were crushed back in whenever-the-hell-Weber-was-hired. Now we're just trying to manufacture some.
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Really? Having our hopes crushed is what we "need" right now? They were crushed back in whenever-the-hell-Weber-was-hired. Now we're just trying to manufacture some.
you will be happier without hope.
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Really? Having our hopes crushed is what we "need" right now? They were crushed back in whenever-the-hell-Weber-was-hired. Now we're just trying to manufacture some.
you will be happier without hope.
I can tell you from personal experience that's not the case.
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Really? Having our hopes crushed is what we "need" right now? They were crushed back in whenever-the-hell-Weber-was-hired. Now we're just trying to manufacture some.
you will be happier without hope.
I can tell you from personal experience that's not the case.
It's certainly comforting me right now. Like a warm blanket against the cold night.
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Really? Having our hopes crushed is what we "need" right now? They were crushed back in whenever-the-hell-Weber-was-hired. Now we're just trying to manufacture some.
you will be happier without hope.
I can tell you from personal experience that's not the case.
It's certainly comforting me right now. Like a warm blanket against the cold night.
Again, I went down that road once. It's promising right up until you find out it's a dead end.
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what would firing him cost us? Whats the buyout?
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what would firing him cost us? Whats the buyout?
It's costing Illinois over 3 million...Think about that for a second. Illinois is paying Weber over 3 million to NOT coach the team lol.
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Last year my shtick was too be all doom and gloom about what we had ahead. This year...well eff, at least last year I knew we had a chance to pull some crap out. I think we all knew this was a possibility and it's unfolding right in front of us. I like to care, I love to care, I love this place...but eff you Currie and eff you oscar
(I still love the posters here)
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what would firing him cost us? Whats the buyout?
It's costing Illinois over 3 million...Think about that for a second. Illinois is paying Weber over 3 million to NOT coach the team lol.
Don't buyouts usually only extend until they have found a new job? Or was the buyout of thinking of a unique situation? (Also, I can't remember which buyout I'm thinking of.)
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what would firing him cost us? Whats the buyout?
It's costing Illinois over 3 million...Think about that for a second. Illinois is paying Weber over 3 million to NOT coach the team lol.
Don't buyouts usually only extend until they have found a new job? Or was the buyout of thinking of a unique situation? (Also, I can't remember which buyout I'm thinking of.)
must not have been in his contract that he wouldn't get paid if he got hired immediately after getting fired.
No matter what oscar is getting a crap ton of money to be terrible at coaching basketball.
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what would firing him cost us? Whats the buyout?
It's costing Illinois over 3 million...Think about that for a second. Illinois is paying Weber over 3 million to NOT coach the team lol.
Don't buyouts usually only extend until they have found a new job? Or was the buyout of thinking of a unique situation? (Also, I can't remember which buyout I'm thinking of.)
Illinois has to pay Weber 1.2 mil for the next 3 years I believe. So he is currently one of the highest paid coaches in basketball, with our money and your's combined, for the next few years..Our last AD was a rough ridin' idiot..Seems like he and Currie would be good buddies.
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what would firing him cost us? Whats the buyout?
It's costing Illinois over 3 million...Think about that for a second. Illinois is paying Weber over 3 million to NOT coach the team lol.
Don't buyouts usually only extend until they have found a new job? Or was the buyout of thinking of a unique situation? (Also, I can't remember which buyout I'm thinking of.)
Illinois has to pay Weber 1.2 mil for the next 3 years I believe so he is currently one of the highest paid coaches in basketball with our money and your's combined for the next few years..Our last AD was a rough ridin' idiot..Seems like he and Curry would be good buddies.
kill me if we offered oscar a turner gill-esq fully guaranteed contract
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what would firing him cost us? Whats the buyout?
It's costing Illinois over 3 million...Think about that for a second. Illinois is paying Weber over 3 million to NOT coach the team lol.
Don't buyouts usually only extend until they have found a new job? Or was the buyout of thinking of a unique situation? (Also, I can't remember which buyout I'm thinking of.)
Illinois has to pay Weber 1.2 mil for the next 3 years I believe so he is currently one of the highest paid coaches in basketball with our money and your's combined for the next few years..Our last AD was a rough ridin' idiot..Seems like he and Curry would be good buddies.
kill me if we offered oscar a turner gill-esq fully guaranteed contract
I'm sure Dax can give us the specifics of the Dream Killer's contract.
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If you want to puke you can check out his contract here
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/Bruce_Weber_Contract.pdf
I just skimmed it. It's a 5 year contract and it looks to me like he has a $2.5M buyout which would be paid over 24 months after being fired. If he gets employment somewhere else during that time, the pay would offset what we owe him. If what we owe on the remainder of his contract is less than 2.5M than that's what he'd be owed, but that won't happen for a long time.
Basically we're completely screwed and Currie is a rough ridin' idiot.
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It's not the players it's the coach. Weber doesn't know what the eff he's doing so the players don't know what they're supposed to be doing. When oscar Weber is out there yelling and waving his arms he's just pretending. He doesn't know what he's doing, so he just has to act like he does.
He's an abomination to college basketball.
bottom line its ADJC fault, unfortunately I think the cocksucker knew exactly what he was doing when he hired that dumb eff
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Its about dollars and cent with ADJC, as long as people go and and watch this circus, currie will keep him....when they announced his hire, I withdraw my donation, and gave up my season ticket...sometimes you have to burn it down
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Its about dollars and cent with ADJC, as long as people go and and watch this circus, currie will keep him....when they announced his hire, I withdraw my donation, and gave up my season ticket...sometimes you have to burn it down
Wouldn't it be best for the bottom line to get a coach that can energize the fan base and win?
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2.5m over 2 years doesn't seem like that much of a buyout, considering that we'll pay him 3.3m to him over the next two years (this goes up every year). Plus, someone will be stupid enough to at least put him on staff. My preference would be that he gets fired next year to better facilitate Pearl being hired (or at least make it more reasonable).
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Its about dollars and cent with ADJC, as long as people go and and watch this circus, currie will keep him....when they announced his hire, I withdraw my donation, and gave up my season ticket...sometimes you have to burn it down
People won't go. I think attendance will drop off a cliff this year.
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
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Its about dollars and cent with ADJC, as long as people go and and watch this circus, currie will keep him....when they announced his hire, I withdraw my donation, and gave up my season ticket...sometimes you have to burn it down
People won't go. I think attendance will drop off a cliff this year.
It's going to be really bad.
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
Attendance is down but the tickets are sold. Need that to change to have a chance
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
Attendance is down but the tickets are sold. Need that to change to have a chance
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I don't think it's linear like that. Currie is smart enough to know that unused sold tickets this year correlates to unsold tickets next year.
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It's not the players it's the coach. Weber doesn't know what the eff he's doing so the players don't know what they're supposed to be doing. When oscar Weber is out there yelling and waving his arms he's just pretending. He doesn't know what he's doing, so he just has to act like he does.
He's an abomination to college basketball.
bottom line its ADJC fault, unfortunately I think the cocksucker knew exactly what he was doing when he hired that dumb eff
I want Weber gone as much as anyone, but unless someone besides Currie makes the next hire, it wont matter. Currie is a money and facilities guy. He has shown zero ability to hire a coach!
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
Attendance is down but the tickets are sold. Need that to change to have a chance
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I don't think it's linear like that. Currie is smart enough to know that unused sold tickets this year correlates to unsold tickets next year.
Is he ? Was he smart enough to do some minor homework and realize this buffoon never runs a fastbreak, changes defenses, or can outcoach during a game??
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
Attendance is down but the tickets are sold. Need that to change to have a chance
Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2
I don't think it's linear like that. Currie is smart enough to know that unused sold tickets this year correlates to unsold tickets next year.
Is he ? Was he smart enough to do some minor homework and realize this buffoon never runs a fastbreak, changes defenses, or can outcoach during a game??
He's business smart. His complete lack of BBIQ has nothing to do with his ability to recognize how unused tickets this season are a bad sign for the future bottom line.
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
Attendance is down but the tickets are sold. Need that to change to have a chance
Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2
I don't think it's linear like that. Currie is smart enough to know that unused sold tickets this year correlates to unsold tickets next year.
Is he ? Was he smart enough to do some minor homework and realize this buffoon never runs a fastbreak, changes defenses, or can outcoach during a game??
He's business smart. His complete lack of BBIQ has nothing to do with his ability to recognize how unused tickets this season are a bad sign for the future bottom line.
And who is held accountable ? JC ? BW? KS?
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
Attendance is down but the tickets are sold. Need that to change to have a chance
Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2
I don't think it's linear like that. Currie is smart enough to know that unused sold tickets this year correlates to unsold tickets next year.
Is he ? Was he smart enough to do some minor homework and realize this buffoon never runs a fastbreak, changes defenses, or can outcoach during a game??
He's business smart. His complete lack of BBIQ has nothing to do with his ability to recognize how unused tickets this season are a bad sign for the future bottom line.
If he was business smart or only cared about the bottom line, Frank would still be our coach. Letting Frank go was a purely emotional decision.
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I've tried to stay positive, and have a "wait and see, let's give the guy a chance, he DID coach a team to a NC game" mentality.
I've watched every meaningful minute this season. Fire oscar.
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
Attendance is down but the tickets are sold. Need that to change to have a chance
Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2
I don't think it's linear like that. Currie is smart enough to know that unused sold tickets this year correlates to unsold tickets next year.
Is he ? Was he smart enough to do some minor homework and realize this buffoon never runs a fastbreak, changes defenses, or can outcoach during a game??
He's business smart. His complete lack of BBIQ has nothing to do with his ability to recognize how unused tickets this season are a bad sign for the future bottom line.
If he was business smart or only cared about the bottom line, Frank would still be our coach. Letting Frank go was a purely emotional decision.
He can be business smart and prideful. :dunno:
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Sad goEMAW bubble. :frown:
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
Attendance is down but the tickets are sold. Need that to change to have a chance
Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2
I don't think it's linear like that. Currie is smart enough to know that unused sold tickets this year correlates to unsold tickets next year.
Is he ? Was he smart enough to do some minor homework and realize this buffoon never runs a fastbreak, changes defenses, or can outcoach during a game??
He's business smart. His complete lack of BBIQ has nothing to do with his ability to recognize how unused tickets this season are a bad sign for the future bottom line.
If he was business smart or only cared about the bottom line, Frank would still be our coach. Letting Frank go was a purely emotional decision.
Seemed pure ego
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
Attendance is down but the tickets are sold. Need that to change to have a chance
Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2
I don't think it's linear like that. Currie is smart enough to know that unused sold tickets this year correlates to unsold tickets next year.
Is he ? Was he smart enough to do some minor homework and realize this buffoon never runs a fastbreak, changes defenses, or can outcoach during a game??
He's business smart. His complete lack of BBIQ has nothing to do with his ability to recognize how unused tickets this season are a bad sign for the future bottom line.
If he was business smart or only cared about the bottom line, Frank would still be our coach. Letting Frank go was a purely emotional decision.
Seemed pure ego
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Close enough. Whatever you call it, don't call it a smart financial decision.
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
Attendance is down but the tickets are sold. Need that to change to have a chance
Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2
I don't think it's linear like that. Currie is smart enough to know that unused sold tickets this year correlates to unsold tickets next year.
Is he ? Was he smart enough to do some minor homework and realize this buffoon never runs a fastbreak, changes defenses, or can outcoach during a game??
He's business smart. His complete lack of BBIQ has nothing to do with his ability to recognize how unused tickets this season are a bad sign for the future bottom line.
If he was business smart or only cared about the bottom line, Frank would still be our coach. Letting Frank go was a purely emotional decision.
Seemed pure ego
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Close enough. Whatever you call it, don't call it a smart financial decision.
No one did.
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
Attendance is down but the tickets are sold. Need that to change to have a chance
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I don't think it's linear like that. Currie is smart enough to know that unused sold tickets this year correlates to unsold tickets next year.
Is he ? Was he smart enough to do some minor homework and realize this buffoon never runs a fastbreak, changes defenses, or can outcoach during a game??
He's business smart. His complete lack of BBIQ has nothing to do with his ability to recognize how unused tickets this season are a bad sign for the future bottom line.
If he was business smart or only cared about the bottom line, Frank would still be our coach. Letting Frank go was a purely emotional decision.
Seemed pure ego
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Close enough. Whatever you call it, don't call it a smart financial decision.
No one did.
Plenty of people have.
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
Attendance is down but the tickets are sold. Need that to change to have a chance
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I don't think it's linear like that. Currie is smart enough to know that unused sold tickets this year correlates to unsold tickets next year.
Is he ? Was he smart enough to do some minor homework and realize this buffoon never runs a fastbreak, changes defenses, or can outcoach during a game??
He's business smart. His complete lack of BBIQ has nothing to do with his ability to recognize how unused tickets this season are a bad sign for the future bottom line.
If he was business smart or only cared about the bottom line, Frank would still be our coach. Letting Frank go was a purely emotional decision.
Seemed pure ego
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Close enough. Whatever you call it, don't call it a smart financial decision.
No one did.
Plenty of people have.
Around here?
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In terms of finance, does the difference between Frank's good teams and oscar's, say, slightly below average teams matter all that significantly to the AD?
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In terms of finance, does the difference between Frank's good teams and oscar's, say, slightly below average teams matter all that significantly to the AD?
The question (which I know is what you were getting at) is how much difference there is between 12.5k fans per game and 7k fans per game. And how quickly donations/merchandise sales decline.
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Donations are tricky, too. Maybe rich, old white guys don't like donating when there's a foul mouthed latino in charge.
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Donations are tricky, too. Maybe rich, old white guys don't like donating when there's a foul mouthed latino in charge.
Agreed that it's not easy to measure, but we got enough for the BTF. :dunno:
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I mean, I don't know what kind of revenue bball generates, but if it's a difference between 1.5 million and 2 million, maybe the smarter thing to do is focus on the football cash cow instead.
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There is no tolerance for throwing away a season for the sake of a 'system' in big time athletics any more, especially considering the tepid response to the hire to begin with.
Oh, Brucie won't be shown an ounce of tolerance.
Unfortunately he'll be shown mountains of tolerance by Currie. Firing him before his contract is up would hurt the bottom line, which is all he cares about.
I meant by us.
Oh, I know. I was #teamburnitdown long before it was cool.
Everyone hated the hire when it was made you dumbass.
Bullshit, there were plenty of "give him a chance" pusses right here on this board. A week after the hire it was probably 50/50.
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If the kind of basketball you saw tonight got him hired, why would it get him fired? Didn't Currie watch any Illinois games last year?
No, I'm sure he didn't. I'm not convinced he even knew who oscar Weber was until Gene Keady threw out his name.
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I think the tucks are united in fb matters but have an internal split on bb. I am surprised often in talking to some old ksu'ers in that they miss winning in bb and want that back. Many of the same guys are fans of frank and relate him to a bobby knight in being mean and stuff. Some of them see that as old school and eat it up.
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There is no tolerance for throwing away a season for the sake of a 'system' in big time athletics any more, especially considering the tepid response to the hire to begin with.
Oh, Brucie won't be shown an ounce of tolerance.
Unfortunately he'll be shown mountains of tolerance by Currie. Firing him before his contract is up would hurt the bottom line, which is all he cares about.
I meant by us.
Oh, I know. I was #teamburnitdown long before it was cool.
Everyone hated the hire when it was made you dumbass.
Bullshit, there were plenty of "give him a chance" pusses right here on this board. A week after the hire it was probably 50/50.
Still, if people had a "give him a chance" mentality, that means that they didn't like the hire either. It just means they are withholding judgement for now.
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There is no tolerance for throwing away a season for the sake of a 'system' in big time athletics any more, especially considering the tepid response to the hire to begin with.
Oh, Brucie won't be shown an ounce of tolerance.
Unfortunately he'll be shown mountains of tolerance by Currie. Firing him before his contract is up would hurt the bottom line, which is all he cares about.
I meant by us.
Oh, I know. I was #teamburnitdown long before it was cool.
Everyone hated the hire when it was made you dumbass.
Bullshit, there were plenty of "give him a chance" pusses right here on this board. A week after the hire it was probably 50/50.
Still, if people had a "give him a chance" mentality, that means that they didn't like the hire either. It just means they are withholding judgement for now.
You can't be #burnitdown and #givehimachance. They are mutually exclusive.
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There is no tolerance for throwing away a season for the sake of a 'system' in big time athletics any more, especially considering the tepid response to the hire to begin with.
Oh, Brucie won't be shown an ounce of tolerance.
Unfortunately he'll be shown mountains of tolerance by Currie. Firing him before his contract is up would hurt the bottom line, which is all he cares about.
I meant by us.
Oh, I know. I was #teamburnitdown long before it was cool.
Everyone hated the hire when it was made you dumbass.
Bullshit, there were plenty of "give him a chance" pusses right here on this board. A week after the hire it was probably 50/50.
Still, if people had a "give him a chance" mentality, that means that they didn't like the hire either. It just means they are withholding judgement for now.
You can't be #burnitdown and #givehimachance. They are mutually exclusive.
I didn't say they weren't. Just saying that because someone wasn't #burnitdown doesn't mean they supported or even liked the hire.
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we just hired him, bro
Yes you did - :fatty:
I hope all you Kansas St. fans enjoy having oscar "bubbles" Weber. Now you'll get a taste of what all Illini fans have had to put up with - enjoy!
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I mean, I don't know what kind of revenue bball generates, but if it's a difference between 1.5 million and 2 million, maybe the smarter thing to do is focus on the football cash cow instead.
Basketball brought in $9.1 million of revenue and spent about $4.5.
At the end of Wooly's tenure, we were bringing in around $2.5 million, IIRC.
So yeah, ignoring basketball seems like a great plan for a bean counter.
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DAX!
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eff you Gene Keady
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eff you Gene Keady
New board name
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Have we not already seen a drop from the last few years crappy noncons?
I like Catzacker's two year plan but I am not sure how we make it happen.
Attendance is down but the tickets are sold. Need that to change to have a chance
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ticket sales are unquestionably down
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There is no tolerance for throwing away a season for the sake of a 'system' in big time athletics any more, especially considering the tepid response to the hire to begin with.
Oh, Brucie won't be shown an ounce of tolerance.
Unfortunately he'll be shown mountains of tolerance by Currie. Firing him before his contract is up would hurt the bottom line, which is all he cares about.
I meant by us.
Oh, I know. I was #teamburnitdown long before it was cool.
Everyone hated the hire when it was made you dumbass.
Bullshit, there were plenty of "give him a chance" pusses right here on this board. A week after the hire it was probably 50/50.
Still, if people had a "give him a chance" mentality, that means that they didn't like the hire either. It just means they are withholding judgement for now.
You can't be #burnitdown and #givehimachance. They are mutually exclusive.
I was willing to give him a chance, but after last night, I'm ready to burn this [redacted] to the ground.
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ticket sales are unquestionably down.
but not much. seems like they went from sellouts to having around 500-1000 unsold this year. probably not high dollar seats, and probably not a big deal. next year's sales will be interesting.
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ticket sales are unquestionably down.
but not much. seems like they went from sellouts to having around 500-1000 unsold this year. probably not high dollar seats, and probably not a big deal. next year's sales will be interesting.
There's no real way to tell, frankly I don't trust the reported attendance, but I would be shocked if the actual tickets sold were only 500-1000. I say that because of the ticket packages they pitched before the season started. Those packages really slashed the value of the tickets, if it were only 750 I'd like to think they wouldn't have panicked & realized they would have closed that gap with football ending & a solid non con
As it turned out they didn't devalue the tickets enough.
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I kind of feel guilty. I think the #Gottlieb4KSU movement scared Currie into acting too quickly. If we hadn't have done that, would we have ended up with oscar? Could we have gotten Tad Boyle?
I don't know. I don't want to openly root for the guy to lose his job, but these first several games have been so much of a dumpster fire that I don't see how this ends well.
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I don't know. Seems like he had weber picked out before we knew frank was gone.
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I don't know. Seems like he had weber picked out before we knew frank was gone.
i think he had weber picked out before even frank knew he was gone.
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I don't know. Seems like he had weber picked out before we knew frank was gone.
i think he had weber picked out before even frank knew he was gone.
Yep.
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I don't know. Seems like he had weber picked out before we knew frank was gone.
i think he had weber picked out before even frank knew he was gone.
Yep
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Yep.
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Going to the game Tuesday night. My expectations are not high. :dubious:
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I kind of feel guilty. I think the #Gottlieb4KSU movement scared Currie into acting too quickly. If we hadn't have done that, would we have ended up with oscar? Could we have gotten Tad Boyle?
I don't know. I don't want to openly root for the guy to lose his job, but these first several games have been so much of a dumpster fire that I don't see how this ends well.
If Currie was so scared of the #Gottleib4KSU movement that it clouded his judgment on making the best hire possible then he has no business running an athletic department at the Division 1 level. And I say this as someone who got on the Gottleib bandwagon fairly early on.