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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: ednksu on December 02, 2012, 07:40:59 PM
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8702724/bcs-bowl-schedule-northern-illinois-huskies-earn-orange-bowl-bid
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The ESPN heads are just shelling this selection. I'm really surprised they are going after them and not being nice to the BCS system.
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They are so butthurt right now, kinda entertaing
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That's such a joke, and it fucks us and every other Big 12 school too because we won't get a second BCS bowl payout. The Sugar Bowl is collateral damage in this, Florida/OU would have been a good game. Florida/Louisville is :flush:
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Luked but still..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
How does Oklahoma get left out of the BCS if they are an AQ conference champion?? :dunno: :lol: :lol:
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they lost iowa and beat KU by 7. i mean my god.
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Congrats co-champs! :emawkid:
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God I love Pollack!! :love:
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i don't think i've ever heard herbs be so mean before.
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The only thing that bothers me is some random directional conference getting the Big 12's payday.
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Herbstreit going off on NIU on the selection show is one of the most colorful rants you'll ever see from him. :popcorn:
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i don't think i've ever heard herbs be so mean before.
Yeah very weird...guess he only gets pissed when OU and SEC teams get screwed.
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I'm kinda liking the irony in all of this. The BCS has been screwing the little guy for years in favor of crap "big name" teams. I'm kinda glad it went the other way for the first time. I mean it sucks that OU isn't going to stomp Florida and we lose out on money but still.
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Nebraska is still finding ways to eff over the Big XII
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I might just put $100000 on FSU just to say I did that once and didn't gain/lose any money :emawkid:
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Nebraska is still finding ways to eff over the Big XII
how so?
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Nebraska losing let NIU move up into the BCS selection, moving OU out.
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Never thought I'd see the day when Herbie was such a bitch. The system is a rough ridin' rigged beauty pageant for the good ol boys of college football, and then fellated by him and his rough ridin' network and he has the rough ridin' audacity to chastise NIU for winning that pageant? What a rough ridin' vagina.
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Herbstreit going off on NIU on the selection show is one of the most colorful rants you'll ever see from him. :popcorn:
Wish I DVRd that so I could watch again. Hopefully someone puts it on youtube.
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Speaking of the BCS -
How mumped up is this season? Utah State, San Jose State, Northwestern, Northern Illinois, and Kent State are in the top 25.
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http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=604426
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Never thought I'd see the day when Herbie was such a bitch. The system is a rough ridin' rigged beauty pageant for the good ol boys of college football, and then fellated by him and his rough ridin' network and he has the rough ridin' audacity to chastise NIU for winning that pageant? What a rough ridin' vagina.
Utah's performance in the Pac 12 and TCU's record in the Big 12 (and to a lesser extent, WVU's first year in the Big 12) strengthen the arguments of people who say that teams which do good in weak conferences would have trouble doing the same thing in a tough conference
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http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=604426
@HUSKIEWIRE: The #NIU players went crazy when hearing ESPN guys rip them. Jordan Lynch even threw an orange at the TV.
lol should be a fun interview on ESPN here in a bit.
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBknAlP7AcI&feature=player_embedded#!
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....
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Nebraska is still finding ways to eff over the Big XII
i think ku being so suck ass and not beating a MAC team has more relevance. apparently they hate money over there in lawrence.
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they beat a 17th ranked kent state team, a team that got smoked by Kentucky who went winless in the SEC
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....
Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....
Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.
wut
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Herbie doesn't give a crap about anything other than getting more SEC teams in. What an embarrassment.
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man i love herbie.
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Herbie doesn't give a crap about anything other than getting more SEC teams in. What an embarrassment.
Exactly. NIU's schedule is crap, but those same stupid fucks can't pull up the schedules of those overrated bullshit SEC teams.
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....
against who, Michigan? :jerk: See UT v Ole Miss
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....
Too bad the other 2/3 of their schedules were played against shitty SEC teams.
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Watching that rough ridin' midget and fat Irish eff blow each other on ESPN makes me sick. The winner of the Fiesta would destroy the winner of the MNC.
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....
against who, Michigan? :jerk: See UT v Ole Miss
florida st
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Bottom line, if the voters didn't just keep "moving up" these crap teams when teams in front of them lose and actually ranked them where they thought they were, this wouldn't be an issue.
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....
against who, Michigan? :jerk: See UT v Ole Miss
florida st
I wouldn't be all that surprised if NIU beats them.
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Whether Kirk sucks SEC taint or not...he is right. NIU lost to 4-8 Iowa, and only beat the team who has the longest conference losing streak by a touchdown. They have no business being in a BCS Bowl over OU, LSU, Georgia, USC, Oregon St, A&M, or Clemson. Obviously when you factor in the 2 per conference rule we're only talking about OU and Clemson.
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Herbie doesn't give a crap about anything other than getting more SEC teams in. What an embarrassment.
Exactly. NIU's schedule is crap, but those same stupid fucks can't pull up the schedules of those overrated bullshit SEC teams.
Agreed. I liked his rant, but then he delved into the "this is so unfair to the blue bloods," I started to tune him out.
These schools have the most resources, make the most money, have the greatest connections, etc. Cry me a rough ridin' river that they got left out by the rules of the horse and pony show they created.
That said, NIU is going to lose by 35.
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They beat a 2-9 army powerhouse by 1 point.
FSU should roll them...
How many fans will they have there? My guess 8K.
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They beat a 2-9 army powerhouse by 1 point.
FSU should roll them...
How many fans will they have there? My guess 8K.
Ticket sales will be hilarious. I would love to see the little guy win, though.
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They beat a 2-9 army powerhouse by 1 point.
So why the eff are the voters ranking them as high as they are? Why didn't Kirk point his blame THERE?
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SEC gets a bunch of cream puffs in their Bowl games to perpetuate the myth that they are soooo much better than everyone else....Florida-Louisville UGA-NUB Vanderbilt-NCST South Carolina-Michigan LSU-Clemson........One Big 12 matchup and no PAC matchups. They only take opponents from the weakest conferences. Bullshit.
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If ORCHID or CHIRP mean anything (and they probably don't) NIU is on par with FSU this year.
ORCHID:
7 NorthernIll. 0.56 0.4 0.88
9 FloridaSt. 0.69 0.4 0.87
CHIRP:
10 FloridaSt. 0.69 0.4 0.789854
11 NorthernIll. 0.56 0.4 0.787409
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i think NIU's gonna take it to them. FSU always sucks ass in bowls.
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the back and forth between Lou and Pollack is enjoyable.
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They beat a 2-9 army powerhouse by 1 point.
FSU should roll them...
How many fans will they have there? My guess 8K.
darren rovell (@darrenrovell) tweeted at 8:09 PM on Sun, Dec 02, 2012:
CRAZY: Northern Illinois will have to buy more Orange Bowl tickets (17,500) than what they avg'd per game this season (15,670)
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I'm happy all the way around. I love every aspect of this scenario.
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Just goes to show the total disrespect that they have for us...I mean seriously, last year, we deserved the sugar, yet we got passed up, yet they give a piece of crap team like NIU a BCS bowl, give me a break...more reason the system need a real play off...
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....
Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.
wut
KSU played a 7-5 Miami, Alabama played a 8-4 Michigan. OU played a 12-0 ND team, Florida played a 10-2 FSU, Georgia played a 6-6 GT, Texas played a 6-6 Ole Miss. LSU played a 7-5 Washinton, OSU played a 7-5 Arizona. GMAFB. I mean, yeah, the SEC won more of those games (4-0 vs. 2-2) , but relative to their dogshit conference schedules, it's at best a push.
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Jfc catzackery just destroyed KC
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....
Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.
wut
KSU played a 7-5 Miami, Alabama played a 8-4 Michigan. OU played a 12-0 ND team, Florida played a 10-2 FSU, Georgia played a 6-6 GT, Texas played a 6-6 Ole Miss. LSU played a 7-5 Washinton, OSU played a 7-5 Arizona. GMAFB. I mean, yeah, the SEC won more of those games (4-0 vs. 2-2) , but relative to their dogshit conference schedules, it's at best a push.
Add in the number of teams per conference (10/14) and the number of OOC games (3/4) and the SEC should play more good OOC games than the Big 12. They have 56 OOC games and the Big 12 only has 30. That's almost twice as many but they don't play twice as many good teams in their OOC games.
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....
Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.
wut
KSU played a 7-5 Miami, Alabama played a 8-4 Michigan. OU played a 12-0 ND team, Florida played a 10-2 FSU, Georgia played a 6-6 GT, Texas played a 6-6 Ole Miss. LSU played a 7-5 Washinton, OSU played a 7-5 Arizona. GMAFB. I mean, yeah, the SEC won more of those games (4-0 vs. 2-2) , but relative to their dogshit conference schedules, it's at best a push.
you just made my argument for me. they went 4-0, we went 2-2.
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....
Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.
wut
KSU played a 7-5 Miami, Alabama played a 8-4 Michigan. OU played a 12-0 ND team, Florida played a 10-2 FSU, Georgia played a 6-6 GT, Texas played a 6-6 Ole Miss. LSU played a 7-5 Washinton, OSU played a 7-5 Arizona. GMAFB. I mean, yeah, the SEC won more of those games (4-0 vs. 2-2) , but relative to their dogshit conference schedules, it's at best a push.
you just made my argument for me. they went 4-0, we went 2-2.
lol no kimmy. look at all the shitty ooc losses they had.
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Just goes to show the total disrespect that they have for us...I mean seriously, last year, we deserved the sugar, yet we got passed up, yet they give a piece of crap team like NIU a BCS bowl, give me a break...more reason the system need a real play off...
Not the same. We were passed up for an ACC at-large.
OU got passed up because NIU got in on the "please don't file an anti-trust suit against the BCS" clause.
I mean, really, for this to actually happen, the Big Ten had to have a historically awful season AND have an undefeated ineligible in the post-season. This is something that would happen, maybe, once in twenty years.
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I don't get why we have to root for NIU just because the douchebags at ESPN don't like them. I hate ESPN too, but c'mon NIU is dogshit.
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....
Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.
wut
KSU played a 7-5 Miami, Alabama played a 8-4 Michigan. OU played a 12-0 ND team, Florida played a 10-2 FSU, Georgia played a 6-6 GT, Texas played a 6-6 Ole Miss. LSU played a 7-5 Washinton, OSU played a 7-5 Arizona. GMAFB. I mean, yeah, the SEC won more of those games (4-0 vs. 2-2) , but relative to their dogshit conference schedules, it's at best a push.
you just made my argument for me. they went 4-0, we went 2-2.
The big 12 had 80% of the league w/ winning records, the SEC had 57% of it's league.
The bottom half of the SEC had a winning % of .392, the Big 12 has a .467. Basically, you played a 4-7 team half the time in the SEC, in the big 12 you played a 6-6 team.
If you played in the Big 12, you were guaranteed to have played atleast 8 of your 9 conf games against a bowl eligible team.
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I don't get why we have to root for NIU just because the douchebags at ESPN don't like them. I hate ESPN too, but c'mon NIU is dogshit.
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I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.
the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....
Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.
wut
KSU played a 7-5 Miami, Alabama played a 8-4 Michigan. OU played a 12-0 ND team, Florida played a 10-2 FSU, Georgia played a 6-6 GT, Texas played a 6-6 Ole Miss. LSU played a 7-5 Washinton, OSU played a 7-5 Arizona. GMAFB. I mean, yeah, the SEC won more of those games (4-0 vs. 2-2) , but relative to their dogshit conference schedules, it's at best a push.
you just made my argument for me. they went 4-0, we went 2-2.
The big 12 had 80% of the league w/ winning records, the SEC had 57% of it's league.
The bottom half of the SEC had a winning % of .392, the Big 12 has a .467. Basically, you played a 4-7 team half the time in the SEC, in the big 12 you played a 6-6 team.
If you played in the Big 12, you were guaranteed to have played atleast 8 of your 9 conf games against a bowl eligible team.
i would rather play a bunch of mediocre teams (like in the big 12) than 2 or 3 really good teams (like in the sec). but thats just me. the majority of people agree that the SEC is the best conference. they have as many teams in the top 6 as the big 12 has in the top 25.
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kim, don't being rough ridin' naive. those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other. Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25. Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference. but whatever. I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.
also, though undeserving, those same assholes will be in the top 10 next year....won't play each other so they won't have a loss...and then stay there because they will have played a dogshit conf schedule and will only lose 1 game. Meanwhile, instead of taking the SEC's male genitals out of its mouth and actually looking at who the hell they have played, Herbie will be pimping the SEC.
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kim, don't being rough ridin' naive. those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other. Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25. Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference. but whatever. I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.
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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division. Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division. None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.
Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division. Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.
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kim, don't being rough ridin' naive. those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other. Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25. Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference. but whatever. I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.
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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division. Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division. None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.
Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division. Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.
South Carolina played UGA, Florida, and LSU. That is tough. A&M played Florida, LSU, and Bama. They both lost 2 of those games and are ranked below us where they belong.
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kim, don't being rough ridin' naive. those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other. Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25. Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference. but whatever. I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.
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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division. Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division. None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.
Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division. Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.
South Carolina played UGA, Florida, and LSU. That is tough. A&M played Florida, LSU, and Bama. They both lost 2 of those games and are ranked below us where they belong.
Should they be ranked ahead of OU who lost to #1 & #5?
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kim, don't being rough ridin' naive. those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other. Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25. Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference. but whatever. I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.
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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division. Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division. None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.
Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division. Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.
South Carolina played UGA, Florida, and LSU. That is tough. A&M played Florida, LSU, and Bama. They both lost 2 of those games and are ranked below us where they belong.
Should they be ranked ahead of OU who lost to #1 & #5?
i dunno, bro. we'll find out after the cotton bowl.
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kim, don't being rough ridin' naive. those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other. Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25. Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference. but whatever. I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.
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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division. Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division. None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.
Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division. Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.
South Carolina played UGA, Florida, and LSU. That is tough. A&M played Florida, LSU, and Bama. They both lost 2 of those games and are ranked below us where they belong.
Should they be ranked ahead of OU who lost to #1 & #5?
i dunno, bro. we'll find out after the cotton bowl.
I don't know either, I just find it curious that all SEC teams are ranked as high as can POSSIBLY be justified. Of course, they are ranked there by the same people who voted NIU as high as they are and are now bitching about the result they created, which is amusing. Does Herbstreit have an AP or Harris vote? If so, where does he have NIU?
Example: Chris Fowler thinks NIU is better than Wisconsin, Nebraska, Baylor, Texas, etc. Does he really rough ridin' believe that after they lost to Iowa and barely beat KU and Army? No, he doesn't REALLY think that, he's just rough ridin' moving them up when people lose ahead of them, regardless of who that loss is too. These people deserve NIU/FSU.
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kim, don't being rough ridin' naive. those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other. Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25. Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference. but whatever. I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.
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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division. Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division. None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.
Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division. Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.
South Carolina played UGA, Florida, and LSU. That is tough. A&M played Florida, LSU, and Bama. They both lost 2 of those games and are ranked below us where they belong.
LSU and Florida had pretty tough schedules because they had two hard draws from the other division, and Florida played Florida State too. All the other good SEC teams basically played two or three games against teams with a pulse and the rest were against awful teams. The SEC has more top-tier teams than the Big 12, but they also have a lot more cupcakes. Also, their top teams wouldn't be perceived to be as strong if they all actually played each other because they would have more losses...just like in the Big 12.
Only two SEC teams played nine conference games. Every Big 12 team played nine. People really underestimate how tough that is. While Alabama was playing Western Carolina, we were playing in Waco. Imagine how different this season is if we got to replace that game with a paycheck game vs some directional scrub.
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Jfc, we hate NIU b/c they knocked out OU, which means less $$$ in our pocket - which is all we care about.
Case closed.
And like Herbie said, they lost to Iowa, the worst team in the big 10. Can't believe were even discussing this.
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kim, don't being rough ridin' naive. those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other. Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25. Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference. but whatever. I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.
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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division. Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division. None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.
Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division. Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.
South Carolina played UGA, Florida, and LSU. That is tough. A&M played Florida, LSU, and Bama. They both lost 2 of those games and are ranked below us where they belong.
Should they be ranked ahead of OU who lost to #1 & #5?
There is no use in arguing with Kimmy. He will take the dumbass side every time simply because that is what he does.
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SEC is extremely top heavy and thus mildly overrated. Big 12 isn't overly strong at the top, but is difficult throughout. Part of the reason SEC is overrated is because nobody else beats them in BCS and Cotton Bowl. If you want to be the best you have to beat the best. KSU should have beaten Arkansas last year when they had the chance.
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Jfc, we hate NIU b/c they knocked out OU, which means less $$$ in our pocket - which is all we care about.
Case closed.
And like Herbie said, they lost to Iowa, the worst team in the big 10. Can't believe were even discussing this.
Exactly. To put it in perspective Iowa St and West Va both go 13-0 vs the same schedule as NIU.
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Wouldn't it be better for the finances of NIU to not accept the Oranje Bowl bid? The university is going to lose millions of dollars due to be contractually locked into buying 17,500 tickets. UConn lost millions when they went to the Fiesta to get crushed by OU.
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Wouldn't it be better for the finances of NIU to not accept the Oranje Bowl bid? The university is going to lose millions of dollars due to be contractually locked into buying 17,500 tickets. UConn lost millions when they went to the Fiesta to get crushed by OU.
If NIU were to win this game, though, it would be incredible for the football program. NIU drew another team in FSU who really wouldn't be good enough to be in a BCS bowl if they weren't in such a shitty conference. They just might win.
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Jfc, we hate NIU b/c they knocked out OU, which means less $$$ in our pocket - which is all we care about.
Case closed.
And like Herbie said, they lost to Iowa, the worst team in the big 10. Can't believe were even discussing this.
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Wouldn't it be better for the finances of NIU to not accept the Oranje Bowl bid? The university is going to lose millions of dollars due to be contractually locked into buying 17,500 tickets. UConn lost millions when they went to the Fiesta to get crushed by OU.
If NIU were to win this game, though, it would be incredible for the football program, though. NIU drew another team in FSU who really wouldn't be good enough to be in a BCS bowl if they weren't in such a shitty conference. They just might win.
I like rooting for the underdog too, but come on. Is there anyone on the NIU defense that can stay within 10 yards of FSU's fastest WR?
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Aren't we the most profitable athletic department in the country? I could care less about an extra $1 mil. OU got what they deserved
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Aren't we the most profitable athletic department in the country? I could care less about an extra $1 mil. OU got what they deserved
Best value per win. The most profitable is, and will forever be, Bevo
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Wouldn't it be better for the finances of NIU to not accept the Oranje Bowl bid? The university is going to lose millions of dollars due to be contractually locked into buying 17,500 tickets. UConn lost millions when they went to the Fiesta to get crushed by OU.
If NIU were to win this game, though, it would be incredible for the football program, though. NIU drew another team in FSU who really wouldn't be good enough to be in a BCS bowl if they weren't in such a shitty conference. They just might win.
I like rooting for the underdog too, but come on. Is there anyone on the NIU defense that can stay within 10 yards of FSU's fastest WR?
NIU is probably the worst team to ever play in a BCS game. I just think that FSU is not that good and that Northern Illinois will probably do a better job preparing for the game because nobody thinks they belong. NIU might win this game.
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my personal opinion:
Dumb as crap rule
would of loved to see 2 big 12 teams just because as a conference i think we deserve it
NIU does not deserve it at all
but since NIU did get in what evz eff off Oklahoma
and since crap ain't changing GO NIU beat FSU!!!!
Unless FSU announces they are joining the B12 before they play
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I'm calling this thread for Catzacker...............in a landslide
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So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.
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I'm getting more and more annoyed with the talking point that OU got screwed down to the Cotton Bowl. Why weren't these bitches writing the same volume of pieces last year? /we all know why, but still
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This is all ku's fault.
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So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.
so if NIU beats FSU, then MAC > ACC?
The point, much like the point against the mid major teams, is that it’s not one game. It’s how you play, week in and week out, against good competition. For example, KSU played 6 straight games to finish out the season against teams w/ >.500 record. A&M only had two "stretches" in the season where they had to play 2 teams w/ >.500 back to back. The results of bowl games are, imo, meaningless unless they fit the narrative that a pundit has.
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Really disappointed in those who like the idea of OU getting screwed. Nevermind TSC, we need Big 12 teams playing at the highest level.
And the reason media didn't cry over us not getting in last year was because Michigan replaced us....not NIU.
Also, OU's match-up in a BCS bowl would have probably been easier to win compared to what they have now.
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FYI, in 2014 NIU would get an automatic bid to one of the top 6 access bowls and would playing either LSU or Texas A&M in the Cotton, Fiesta, or Chick-fil-A. They would also still get that big, access bowl payout as well.
The only reason they wouldn't be "getting in over OU, LSU, A&M, and Clemson" is because there are 2 more spots and Louisville wouldn't get in.
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So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.
Eh, Stoops doesn't tend to do well in bowl games.
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Lets not forget that Ucconn also lost money going to a BCS bowl due to the mandatory ticket buy that these bowl games have. This looks to happen to NIU as well.
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NIU has already said that any student going to the game will get a free ticket.
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NIU is given an opportunity to play Florida State University in the rough ridin' Orange Bowl. No amount of lost money is going to make turning down that opportunity a good decision. JFC, people.
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How mumped up is this season? Utah State, San Jose State, Northwestern, Northern Illinois, and Kent State are in the top 25.
Shows how weak this system is. Put Kent state up against some of the 7-5 teams in the B12 and they'd get slaughtered. LOL
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NIU has already said that any student going to the game will get a free ticket.
Worked for our little brothers.
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Really disappointed in those who like the idea of OU getting screwed. Nevermind TSC, we need Big 12 teams playing at the highest level.
And the reason media didn't cry over us not getting in last year was because Michigan replaced us....not NIU.
Also, OU's match-up in a BCS bowl would have probably been easier to win compared to what they have now.
doesn't understand why people are getting at OU.
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NIU is given an opportunity to play Florida State University in the rough ridin' Orange Bowl. No amount of lost money is going to make turning down that opportunity a good decision. JFC, people.
Even like a hundred billion gazillion dollars? I dunno, that seems like too much.
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Really disappointed in those who like the idea of OU getting screwed. Nevermind TSC, we need Big 12 teams playing at the highest level.
And the reason media didn't cry over us not getting in last year was because Michigan replaced us....not NIU.
Also, OU's match-up in a BCS bowl would have probably been easier to win compared to what they have now.
doesn't understand why people are getting at OU.
Bad things happen to bad people for once. OU never gets screwed over. Until now :dance:
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So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.
so if NIU beats FSU, then MAC > ACC?
No, because they are both the best teams in their leagues. You could argue that A&M finished 6th in their league, and is playing a team that has a Big 12 trophy. If a middle of the road team in the SEC beats one of the best in the Big 12, that's not good.
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So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.
so if NIU beats FSU, then MAC > ACC?
No, because they are both the best teams in their leagues. You could argue that A&M finished 6th in their league, and is playing a team that has a Big 12 trophy. If a middle of the road team in the SEC beats one of the best in the Big 12, that's not good.
results of bowl games are meaningless.
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So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.
so if NIU beats FSU, then MAC > ACC?
No, because they are both the best teams in their leagues. You could argue that A&M finished 6th in their league, and is playing a team that has a Big 12 trophy. If a middle of the road team in the SEC beats one of the best in the Big 12, that's not good.
results of bowl games are meaningless.
Besides the fact they help determine pre season rankings which in turn affect BCS rankings
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Really disappointed in those who like the idea of OU getting screwed. Nevermind TSC, we need Big 12 teams playing at the highest level.
And the reason media didn't cry over us not getting in last year was because Michigan replaced us....not NIU.
Also, OU's match-up in a BCS bowl would have probably been easier to win compared to what they have now.
doesn't understand why people are getting at OU.
Bad things happen to bad people for once. OU never gets screwed over. Until now :dance:
That is laughable. Bad things happen to OU all the time, and usually it happens when the entire nation is watching.
The Sooners promptly lost 2 games in a row against ranked teams after Mike's departure that season (a shocking 35–7 loss against #13 Kansas State in the Big 12 Title Game, and a tough 21–14 loss to #3 LSU in the BCS National Title Game). Since that time (2004–present), Stoops' teams have gone 17–13 vs. ranked opponents, and 3–4 in Bowl Games with no National Titles (although they played for 3 more)
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So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.
so if NIU beats FSU, then MAC > ACC?
No, because they are both the best teams in their leagues. You could argue that A&M finished 6th in their league, and is playing a team that has a Big 12 trophy. If a middle of the road team in the SEC beats one of the best in the Big 12, that's not good.
results of bowl games are meaningless.
Yep.
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Those games, they control what they do and they lost. This was out of their hands
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The part that bugs me is that the Big 12 gets punished because the Big 10 and Big East suck. Terrible system.
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So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.
so if NIU beats FSU, then MAC > ACC?
No, because they are both the best teams in their leagues. You could argue that A&M finished 6th in their league, and is playing a team that has a Big 12 trophy. If a middle of the road team in the SEC beats one of the best in the Big 12, that's not good.
results of bowl games are meaningless.
Yep.
they affect preseason rankings, so they aren't meaningless.
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So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.
so if NIU beats FSU, then MAC > ACC?
No, because they are both the best teams in their leagues. You could argue that A&M finished 6th in their league, and is playing a team that has a Big 12 trophy. If a middle of the road team in the SEC beats one of the best in the Big 12, that's not good.
results of bowl games are meaningless.
Says the guy who is butthurt about the perception of the SEC
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The part that bugs me is that the Big 12 gets punished because the Big 10 and Big East suck. Terrible system.
Yeah. NIU should be taking Wisconsin's place in the Rose Bowl.
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i'm cool with mid-majors going to a bcs bowl if:
1. They go undefeated
2. They lose one game and beat a good team
NIU does not fit either of these.
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i'm cool with mid-majors going to a bcs bowl if:
1. They go undefeated
2. They lose one game and beat a good team
NIU does not fit either of these.
That would be fine with me, too, as long as we can be liberal enough with the term "mid-major" to include teams like Wisconsin, Louisville, and Florida State this season.
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So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.
so if NIU beats FSU, then MAC > ACC?
No, because they are both the best teams in their leagues. You could argue that A&M finished 6th in their league, and is playing a team that has a Big 12 trophy. If a middle of the road team in the SEC beats one of the best in the Big 12, that's not good.
results of bowl games are meaningless.
Says the guy who is butthurt about the perception of the SEC
The butthurt is centered around their overrated regular season and how that overratedness will have an effect in the future when we got to a 4 – or 8 – team playoff (when the “post season” will actually matter).
To rusty’s point, that would be the only way in which they have any impact on anything…that being said the SEC could lose every single bowl and they’d all get 5 teams in the top 10 preseason next year. And teams like OU and UT will get “the benefit of the doubt” and get put in the top 15 regardless.
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i'm cool with mid-majors going to a bcs bowl if:
1. They go undefeated
2. They lose one game and beat a good team
NIU does not fit either of these.
That would be fine with me, too, as long as we can be liberal enough with the term "mid-major" to include teams like Wisconsin, Louisville, and Florida State this season.
Well those aren't mid-majors.
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i'm cool with mid-majors going to a bcs bowl if:
1. They go undefeated
2. They lose one game and beat a good team
NIU does not fit either of these.
That would be fine with me, too, as long as we can be liberal enough with the term "mid-major" to include teams like Wisconsin, Louisville, and Florida State this season.
Well those aren't mid-majors.
Yeah, but there should be a rule that any conference whose champion is ranked below 15 forfeits its automatic BCS bid
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Nah. BCS conference winners deserve it.
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Nah. BCS conference winners deserve it.
So the Big 12 should get screwed out of a second BCS bid because the Big Ten and Big East sucked enough this year to allow NIU into a BCS bowl? No, that money and that bid should come directly from the conference that was shitty enough to allow a one-loss midmajor in. No reason for the Big 12 to be collateral damage because of how terrible the Big Ten and Big East were.
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Nah. BCS conference winners deserve it.
So the Big 12 should get screwed out of a second BCS bid because the Big Ten and Big East sucked enough this year to allow NIU into a BCS bowl? No, that money and that bid should come directly from the conference that was shitty enough to allow a one-loss midmajor in. No reason for the Big 12 to be collateral damage because of how terrible the Big Ten and Big East were.
I don't think NIU should be allowed in in the first place so we're talking about two different things.
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Nah. BCS conference winners deserve it.
So the Big 12 should get screwed out of a second BCS bid because the Big Ten and Big East sucked enough this year to allow NIU into a BCS bowl? No, that money and that bid should come directly from the conference that was shitty enough to allow a one-loss midmajor in. No reason for the Big 12 to be collateral damage because of how terrible the Big Ten and Big East were.
I don't think NIU should be allowed in in the first place so we're talking about two different things.
I agree with you, but unfortunately that isn't an option because the BCS doesn't feel like dealing with an antitrust lawsuit. Given that NIU not getting in isn't an option, the rules should be amended so that the BCS conference which allows in the midmajor surrenders its automatic bid to them.
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Nah. BCS conference winners deserve it.
So the Big 12 should get screwed out of a second BCS bid because the Big Ten and Big East sucked enough this year to allow NIU into a BCS bowl? No, that money and that bid should come directly from the conference that was shitty enough to allow a one-loss midmajor in. No reason for the Big 12 to be collateral damage because of how terrible the Big Ten and Big East were.
It was planned in the same meetings as adding Rutgers and Maryland. If they could only get one in they were goin to make damn sure that's all we got, too.
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Nah. BCS conference winners deserve it.
So the Big 12 should get screwed out of a second BCS bid because the Big Ten and Big East sucked enough this year to allow NIU into a BCS bowl? No, that money and that bid should come directly from the conference that was shitty enough to allow a one-loss midmajor in. No reason for the Big 12 to be collateral damage because of how terrible the Big Ten and Big East were.
I don't think NIU should be allowed in in the first place so we're talking about two different things.
I agree with you, but unfortunately that isn't an option because the BCS doesn't feel like dealing with an antitrust lawsuit. Given that NIU not getting in isn't an option, the rules should be amended so that the BCS conference which allows in the midmajor surrenders its automatic bid to them.
There wouldn't be an anti-trust issue if there were still ways for mid-majors teams to get, like the process I advocated above:
Either undefeated, or one loss + one win over a good team (top 20 bcs team or something).
That would be fair. That's what boise always did.
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As far as Auto-Bids, there really needs to be exceptions for conferences with teams on probation. If your conference championship has a team that qualified due to a probationary team being ineligible, wins it, and is not in the top 20, you lose your autobid.
At least they're pulling the Big East's.
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As far as Auto-Bids, there really needs to be exceptions for conferences with teams on probation. If your conference championship has a team that qualified due to a probationary team being ineligible, wins it, and is not in the top 20, you lose your autobid.
At least they're pulling the Big East's.
That works for me.
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To rusty’s point, that would be the only way in which they have any impact on anything…that being said the SEC could lose every single bowl and they’d all get 5 teams in the top 10 preseason next year. And teams like OU and UT will get “the benefit of the doubt” and get put in the top 15 regardless.
the solution is to get better. Oregon used to not get the benefit of the doubt, but they do now.
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I think NIU being in is good for football. We don't need arbitrary rules to make college football more exclusive than it already is. It's just ridiculous that if the best team in a BCS conference can't crack the top 16, some other good team loses its spot to the mid-major. I think NIU will give FSU a pretty good game, and it is probably the second best matchup in the BCS bowls, excluding the championship game.
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To rusty’s point, that would be the only way in which they have any impact on anything…that being said the SEC could lose every single bowl and they’d all get 5 teams in the top 10 preseason next year. And teams like OU and UT will get “the benefit of the doubt” and get put in the top 15 regardless.
the solution is to get better. Oregon used to not get the benefit of the doubt, but they do now.
Here’s my sarcastic (admittingly) flawed response:
LHC Bill Snyder has as many conference championships as Mack Brown in the Big 12.
LHC Bill Snyder has had 12 seasons in which he’s won 9 or more games, same as Mack Brown.
Clearly, just being good is enough.
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To rusty’s point, that would be the only way in which they have any impact on anything…that being said the SEC could lose every single bowl and they’d all get 5 teams in the top 10 preseason next year. And teams like OU and UT will get “the benefit of the doubt” and get put in the top 15 regardless.
the solution is to get better. Oregon used to not get the benefit of the doubt, but they do now.
Here’s my sarcastic (admittingly) flawed response:
LHC Bill Snyder has as many conference championships as Mack Brown in the Big 12.
LHC Bill Snyder has had 12 seasons in which he’s won 9 or more games, same as Mack Brown.
Clearly, just being good is enough.
Mack has also coached 3 more seasons than Bill.
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To rusty’s point, that would be the only way in which they have any impact on anything…that being said the SEC could lose every single bowl and they’d all get 5 teams in the top 10 preseason next year. And teams like OU and UT will get “the benefit of the doubt” and get put in the top 15 regardless.
the solution is to get better. Oregon used to not get the benefit of the doubt, but they do now.
Here’s my sarcastic (admittingly) flawed response:
LHC Bill Snyder has as many conference championships as Mack Brown in the Big 12.
LHC Bill Snyder has had 12 seasons in which he’s won 9 or more games, same as Mack Brown.
Clearly, just being good is enough.
Mack also had a run of 9 years with 10 plus wins before his recent hiccups. He wasn't in the preseason top 25 immediately following his only losing season. So I think your UT butthurt is misplaced - there is no evidence that they will be unfairly placed in the preseason top 25.
That being said, Snyder got the benefit of the doubt you are referring to in 2004 when we started the season #12(!).
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yeah, no, I agree. That one year was sure awesome. I remember last year winning 10 games and then ending up at, what, 21st this year? Yeah. 10 wins.
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Aren't we the most profitable athletic department in the country? I could care less about an extra $1 mil. OU got what they deserved
Best value per win. The most profitable is, and will forever be, Bevo
Hang a banner. National Value Champion.
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yeah, no, I agree. That one year was sure awesome. I remember last year winning 10 games and then ending up at, what, 21st this year? Yeah. 10 wins.
So you agree that your butthurt over UT getting the benefit of the doubt is misguided? How many times have they gotten a ridiculous preseason ranking? Once? I can't believe what a tard you're being.
And when you have one 10-win season out of the last...9? And you were honestly lucky to win that many games? Yes, 21st is completely reasonable. (But beating Arky would have made us several spots higher, which was my original point). My point about getting better was having sustained success, like Oregon has. I mean the year after a national title they were 11th in the next preseason poll. But they were able to string together a couple top 10 finishes and they will likely be in the top 10 preseason again next year.
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yeah, no, I agree. That one year was sure awesome. I remember last year winning 10 games and then ending up at, what, 21st this year? Yeah. 10 wins.
So you agree that your butthurt over UT getting the benefit of the doubt is misguided? How many times have they gotten a ridiculous preseason ranking? Once? I can't believe what a tard you're being.
And when you have one 10-win season out of the last...9? And you were honestly lucky to win that many games? Yes, 21st is completely reasonable. (But beating Arky would have made us several spots higher, which was my original point). My point about getting better was having sustained success, like Oregon has. I mean the year after a national title they were 11th in the next preseason poll. But they were able to string together a couple top 10 finishes and they will likely be in the top 10 preseason again next year.
I don't think 21st is reasonable when you look at the number of returning starters. Anything beyond the top 15 is a joke.