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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: EMAWesome on November 16, 2012, 11:35:13 AM
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So, Belvis Noland, Wabash909 & myself had a pretty fierce discussion the other night, and we really couldn't come up with a consensus answer, and it's kind of bugged me all week. Despite the fact that a consensus wasn't reached, Belvis and I feel pretty stongly that we won the argument.
The question at hand: What is the true economic impact of a National Championship.
The discussion evolved (devolved?) into these main discussion points that we struggled to quantify...
1) What would a National Championship be purchased for on an open market? i.e. How much $$ would a University cough up if they could literally purchase a National Championship?
2) What would a National Championship be purhcased for on an open market of donors and alumni? i.e How much $$ would T. Boone Pickens or Phil Knight cough up for the NC for their alma mater?
3) What is the true economic impact to a University that wins a National Championship, in increased $ revenue?
4) What is the true economic impact to the city of the University that wins a National Championship?
5) How large of a winning Lottery ticket would you give up in order for your 'Cats to win the NC this season? If you keep the Lottery Ticket, the 'Cats lose to Baylor or Texas...if you tear up the lottery ticket, the 'Cats are the champs. Keeping the lottery ticket does not mean the 'Cats will never win a NC in the future, just not this season.
6) Is the difference in economic impact (to the University and City) much greater for the team that WINS the NC game compared to the team that LOSES the NC game?
:dunno: :popcorn:
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crap #5 is a good question
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The biggest question is how long that value lasts. #5 is a toughy. Very tough.
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I'll tell you what goodbuddy, I'd tear that ticket up in a heartbeat!
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Does this belong in the rhetorical thread?
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I'll tell you what goodbuddy, I'd tear that ticket up in a heartbeat!
But how large of a jackpot would you tear up? $10M? $100M? $500M?
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You could probably query Auburn for the answers to #s 1 and 2.
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How high were you guys?
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How high were you guys?
A few Summer Beers in...and Rich bought us a shot of Wild Turkey
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I'll tell you what goodbuddy, I'd tear that ticket up in a heartbeat!
But how large of a jackpot would you tear up? $10M? $100M? $500M?
I'd take the jackpot and boone pickens the crap out of K-State.
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20*NBAF
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Money can't buy an un-asterisk'd NC.
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I can't answer any of the questions you posed but I do know there would be enough economic impact for Manhattan to finally build the underground lazy river transit system.
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Money can't buy an un-asterisk'd NC.
:cheers: :thumbsup:
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This is kind of an answer. Have to scale it back for MHK but would have a very similar event track as Florida.
http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/07/11/can-we-measure-the-effect-of-national-championships/ (http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/07/11/can-we-measure-the-effect-of-national-championships/)
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This is kind of an answer. Have to scale it back for MHK but would have a very similar event track as Florida.
http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/07/11/can-we-measure-the-effect-of-national-championships/ (http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/07/11/can-we-measure-the-effect-of-national-championships/)
We found that article as well...Personally, I think the growth at Florida is equal parts NC and sustained success. While I don't see an Auburn like demise to :sdeek: after a NC, I also don't see KSU having a run of titles in FB & BB, and sustained BCS type teams over a 3-5 year period like Florida had
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I'll tell you what goodbuddy, I'd tear that ticket up in a heartbeat!
But how large of a jackpot would you tear up? $10M? $100M? $500M?
all the money in the world!
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I'll tell you what goodbuddy, I'd tear that ticket up in a heartbeat!
But how large of a jackpot would you tear up? $10M? $100M? $500M?
I'd take the jackpot and boone pickens the crap out of K-State.
This.
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IF you could buy a national championship, said championship would instantly be totally devalued.
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Supply = 1
Demand = 124
Supply side econ is hard without values especially at these extremes but it would be worth significantly less than the highest bidder is willing to pay per given year. So you would be getting a very bad deal if you bought a NC simply because demand would drive it far higher than real market value.
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rich get richer, poor get poorer :kstategrad:
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I'll tell you what goodbuddy, I'd tear that ticket up in a heartbeat!
But how large of a jackpot would you tear up? $10M? $100M? $500M?
I'd take the jackpot and boone pickens the crap out of K-State.
This.
also boone pickens the crap out of reanimation studies.
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Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK :gocho:
Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.
So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.
If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.
Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
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Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.
If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.
This sounds about right.
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Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.
If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.
This sounds about right.
Way too low. Like add a zero too low.
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Economic impact on my wallet will be about $300 spent in the ville that glorious monday night
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These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO. How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?
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Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.
If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.
This sounds about right.
Way too low. Like add a zero too low.
I think it's way too high.
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Do you have to tear up the lotto ticket or can donating the entire winnings be an option?
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These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO. How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?
This is the stance that I have...I think the biggest impact comes from getting into the game. I think any impact from winning the game is more incrementally larger for the school itself (think of all the merchandising rights for all the plaques, posters, commemorative coins, etc...) as opposed to the city
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These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO. How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?
This is the stance that I have...I think the biggest impact comes from getting into the game. I think any impact from winning the game is more incrementally larger for the school itself (think of all the merchandising rights for all the plaques, posters, commemorative coins, etc...) as opposed to the city
No. The impact comes from the increased number of people. Not from merchandising.
2,000 extra students spending say $20,000 per year is $40 million/yr. and that's conservative. Then you get alumni coming back and not just donating, but wanting to spend time in Manhattan. People want to be around it. People have already moved their businesses to Manhattan because they want to live in Manhattan and a big reason is that they are KSU football fans. People have retired in Manhattan for the same reason. Not to mention security in our conference and strengthening future TV contracts for the conference.
T-shirts, plaques, posters, commemorative coins? Seriously?
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These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO. How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?
This is the stance that I have...I think the biggest impact comes from getting into the game. I think any impact from winning the game is more incrementally larger for the school itself (think of all the merchandising rights for all the plaques, posters, commemorative coins, etc...) as opposed to the city
No. The impact comes from the increased number of people. Not from merchandising.
2,000 extra students spending say $20,000 per year is $40 million/yr. and that's conservative. Then you get alumni coming back and not just donating, but wanting to spend time in Manhattan. People want to be around it. People have already moved their businesses to Manhattan because they want to live in Manhattan and a big reason is that they are KSU football fans. People have retired in Manhattan for the same reason. Not to mention security in our conference and strengthening future TV contracts for the conference.
T-shirts, plaques, posters, commemorative coins? Seriously?
How much of that $ was made off of our prior National Championships?
Exactly...economic impact like that is built by having a good program over a sustained period of time. We are trying to get to the $ value of having a NC team, not having a good program
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So you want to know what the economic impact would be if KSU wins the national championship and then immediately fires LHC Bill Snyder and rehires either Ron Prince or Stan Parrish the next day? And all our players get kicked off the team for using heroin while they were in Miami?
In that case, $50-$150 million is probably a good guess.
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It may take a while, but I would love to see BSFS get to the 60k+ range. An NC might speed up the growth in enrollment and MHK population to get there.
While stadium size is kind of an arbitrary thing to use to evaluate the status of a program at anyone time I would rather be in peer group with OSU and WVU than KU and ISU.
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K-State enrollment would not jump 10% in a single school year due to a MNC. It might jump 10% over the next 10 years.
But, yes, you're correct that increased enrollment would be a direct financial benefit of a MNC. So would increased donations, increased ticket sales, increase merchandise sales. No question about any of this.
The question is how much is all of this worth. For instance, I don't see our stadium capacity jumping up to 60K overnight. as we're already selling out the stadium, I have trouble seeing a massive increase in ticket revenue. I do think the school/community would see a massive influx in merchandise sales and completion of the Football Masterplan would be expedited due to increased donations.
I just don't think we'd see donations in the 500million range.
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Maybe the NC is what is needed to bring the needed tshirt fans to get to the 60k level. 60k could happen if the Sams era is as successful as I hope it will be.
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Is there a stadium anywhere that has a larger capacity than the population of the metro area in which it's located?
Edit: holy crap Morgantown is tiny.
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without looking it up, I would think a number of the SEC West Schools (Ole Miss, MSU, Auburn) might be close.
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I don't know...$2.50 maybe? Enough to pay the toll on I70 going to MHK.
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I will sell you a one-of-a-kind limited edition National Championship, but first drink this... :bartender:
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Is there a stadium anywhere that has a larger capacity than the population of the metro area in which it's located?
Edit: holy crap Morgantown is tiny.
The population of Clemson South Carolina is 13,905 with a MSA of 42,199.
Death Valley seats 81,500
The schools enrollment is barely 15,000. To put it in perspective Fort Hays has an enrollment of 12,000 with a town population of 20,510 with a MSA of 32,000.
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These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO. How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?
This is the stance that I have...I think the biggest impact comes from getting into the game. I think any impact from winning the game is more incrementally larger for the school itself (think of all the merchandising rights for all the plaques, posters, commemorative coins, etc...) as opposed to the city
No. The impact comes from the increased number of people. Not from merchandising.
2,000 extra students spending say $20,000 per year is $40 million/yr. and that's conservative. Then you get alumni coming back and not just donating, but wanting to spend time in Manhattan. People want to be around it. People have already moved their businesses to Manhattan because they want to live in Manhattan and a big reason is that they are KSU football fans. People have retired in Manhattan for the same reason. Not to mention security in our conference and strengthening future TV contracts for the conference.
T-shirts, plaques, posters, commemorative coins? Seriously?
Enrollment boost of 2,000 students for winning a NC? :lol:
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These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO. How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?
This is the stance that I have...I think the biggest impact comes from getting into the game. I think any impact from winning the game is more incrementally larger for the school itself (think of all the merchandising rights for all the plaques, posters, commemorative coins, etc...) as opposed to the city
No. The impact comes from the increased number of people. Not from merchandising.
2,000 extra students spending say $20,000 per year is $40 million/yr. and that's conservative. Then you get alumni coming back and not just donating, but wanting to spend time in Manhattan. People want to be around it. People have already moved their businesses to Manhattan because they want to live in Manhattan and a big reason is that they are KSU football fans. People have retired in Manhattan for the same reason. Not to mention security in our conference and strengthening future TV contracts for the conference.
T-shirts, plaques, posters, commemorative coins? Seriously?
Enrollment boost of 2,000 students for winning a NC? :lol:
It's not going to happen immediately, but there's no doubt a NC will increase enrollment and not just for one year. Interest spikes in schools that win NCs the next academic year and it takes a few years for that to return to normal.
Enrollment grew nearly 100 percent in Snyder's first decade with zero championships. Some of that was due college becoming more important in the job market, but a sizeable chunk of it was due to being really good in the most important sport on the planet.
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KU's enrollment has steadily tanked since their NC and Orangebowl year.
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Our enrollment has been steadily increasing. A national championship would create a small, temporary bump in enrollment, but there are other factors that will play a much larger role.
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I could see KSU increasing it's enrollment by 2,000 in 10 years, but 90% of those students will be international. I doubt their college choice will be affected by a BCS title.
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KU's tougher admission standards are likely to give us a bigger bump than a national championship would.
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Enrollment grew nearly 100 percent in Snyder's first decade with zero championships. Some of that was due college becoming more important in the job market, but a sizeable chunk of it was due to being really good in the most important sport on the planet.
Wrong. Enrollment was in the 15,000-20,000 range when Wefald got here. Almost 25,000 now.
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These "economic impact" forcasts never pan out, IMO. How is winning one game incrementally worth millions or billions more than losing it?
This is the stance that I have...I think the biggest impact comes from getting into the game. I think any impact from winning the game is more incrementally larger for the school itself (think of all the merchandising rights for all the plaques, posters, commemorative coins, etc...) as opposed to the city
No. The impact comes from the increased number of people. Not from merchandising.
2,000 extra students spending say $20,000 per year is $40 million/yr. and that's conservative. Then you get alumni coming back and not just donating, but wanting to spend time in Manhattan. People want to be around it. People have already moved their businesses to Manhattan because they want to live in Manhattan and a big reason is that they are KSU football fans. People have retired in Manhattan for the same reason. Not to mention security in our conference and strengthening future TV contracts for the conference.
T-shirts, plaques, posters, commemorative coins? Seriously?
Enrollment boost of 2,000 students for winning a NC? :lol:
It's not going to happen immediately, but there's no doubt a NC will increase enrollment and not just for one year. Interest spikes in schools that win NCs the next academic year and it takes a few years for that to return to normal.
Enrollment grew nearly 100 percent in Snyder's first decade with zero championships. Some of that was due college becoming more important in the job market, but a sizeable chunk of it was due to being really good in the most important sport on the planet.
Northern Iowa saw a nice bump just by beating KU in the torn-a-ment. That's basketball. And they didn't even make it the Final 4. Winning the NC is nice, but it's not the incremental boom you folks are making it out to be. The difference between winning by 1 point and losing by 1 point is not many many millions or billions. It just isn't.
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Northern Iowa saw a nice bump just by beating KU in the torn-a-ment. That's basketball. And they didn't even make it the Final 4. Winning the NC is nice, but it's not the incremental boom you folks are making it out to be. The difference between winning by 1 point and losing by 1 point is not many many millions or billions. It just isn't.
I find that hard to believe. How do you know that Northern Iowa would not have gotten that bump anyway?
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Which part do you find hard to believe?
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Which part do you find hard to believe?
It's probably that they saw a larger increase a couple years prior that makes it hard for him to believe an upset win had an effect.
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Which part do you find hard to believe?
It's probably that they saw a larger increase a couple years prior that makes it hard for him to believe an upset win had an effect.
yeah
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The basis for my statement was from watching the torn-a-ment in the days after the win. They had the UNI uni president on TV and he said applications were up like 30%. He said phones were ringing off the hook. Maybe they failed to lock those kids in? I don't know. But until you go pull the statistics and post them I'm going to bask in my righteousness. :dance:
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page 14 http://www.uni.edu/president/sites/default/files/10-11UNIFactBook.pdf
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KU lost to UNI in March of 2010, right? We need enrollment numbers for 2011. HS seniors have their minds made up in March.
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Giving would increase, the donor pool would expand significantly, the stadium master plan would be accelerated. All those things are absolutely givens.
The contention I would have is that this isn't just about economic impact, but overall value to the school and collective fan base in regard to a number of things that are simply impossible to quantify in straight forward economic terms.
The most valuable aspect of winning a national title would be elevating the profile of our University and football brand at a national level to completely unprecedented heights. For a school like K-State, the prestige associated with a BCS national championship is extraordinary, much more so than a school like Oklahoma or USC with an established national brand.
The nature of the football program would change and possibly drastically. Look at what KU did in basketball following the 1988 national title when they took their program to new heights. Recruiting would be impacted considerably and we would potentially strengthen our position significantly for the successor to Snyder when he steps down. How do you assign a dollar amount to that?
How do you assign a dollar amount to canonize LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder as quite possibly the greatest football coach of all time by winning a national title trophy?
How do you assign a dollar amount to the experience of 50,000 of your closest cats fans descending on South Beach like a plague of locusts while you relax on a chaise lounge at the pool at the Delano bare chested in a white linen shirt as you sip on a mojito and smoke a fine Cohiba while you day dream of Collin Klein dancing on fool's faces in the end zone.
I can't put a finite dollar amount on any of it, but if I tried, I'd put it around $500 million.
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Wow. Phog level type delusion going on here.
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I have clients that went to Big 10 schools. Talked to one of my biggest clients today who is a huge Michigan fan. He called about some minor thing and spent the first 10 minutes talking college football because he knows I went to K-State. He ended with: "I wish I was in your position." Relationships are valuable.
You can't measure the entire economic impact, but it is big.
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Is there a stadium anywhere that has a larger capacity than the population of the metro area in which it's located?
Edit: holy crap Morgantown is tiny.
Stillwater: 46,000 population. BPS: 60,000 capacity.
Oxford, MS: 19,393 V-HS capacity:60,580.
Auburn, AL: 54,566 J-HS capacity: 87,451.
Pullman, WA: 29,913 Martin Stadium capacity: 35,117
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Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK :gocho:
Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.
So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.
If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.
Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with. Yes, you know who I'm talking about. It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein. This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
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Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK :gocho:
Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.
So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.
If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.
Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with. Yes, you know who I'm talking about. It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein. This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
unnecessarily dickish behavior on my part
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Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK :gocho:
Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.
So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.
If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.
Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with. Yes, you know who I'm talking about. It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein. This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
You're a rough ridin' idiot
You're a dumb rough ridin' jackass, if you think Ole Bill would have recuited him. Also, tell me how many Heisman winners do we have in our wonderful football history collection.
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KU's tougher admission standards are likely to give us a bigger bump than a national championship would.
lol
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Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK :gocho:
Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.
So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.
If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.
Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with. Yes, you know who I'm talking about. It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein. This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
You're a rough ridin' idiot
You're a dumb rough ridin' jackass, if you think Ole Bill would have recuited him. Also, tell me how many Heisman winners do we have in our wonderful football history collection.
unnecessarily dickish behavior on my part
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Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK :gocho:
Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.
So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.
If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.
Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with. Yes, you know who I'm talking about. It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein. This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
You're a rough ridin' idiot
You're a dumb rough ridin' jackass, if you think Ole Bill would have recuited him. Also, tell me how many Heisman winners do we have in our wonderful football history collection.
No stop. You're a serious rough ridin' idiot.
No stop. You're a stupid rough ridin' jackass.
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Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK :gocho:
Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.
So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.
If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.
Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with. Yes, you know who I'm talking about. It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein. This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
You're a rough ridin' idiot
You're a dumb rough ridin' jackass, if you think Ole Bill would have recuited him. Also, tell me how many Heisman winners do we have in our wonderful football history collection.
No stop. You're a serious rough ridin' idiot.
No stop. You're a stupid rough ridin' jackass.
Dude you compared Collin Klein to Cam rough ridin' Newton. You have no concept of what went on in that fiasco. No rough ridin' concept.
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Was discussing this with the fiance just the other night since we just closed on a house in MHK :gocho:
Just a guess, but K-State winning the national championship would be worth $50-150 million to K-State/Manhattan over the course of a decade or so.
So tough to measure, but ticket sales/prices would go up, as would giving meaning more elite construction projects. Enrollment would would probably increase.
If the success is sustained at a high level (another Dr. Pepper within 5 years) you could probably easily double those numbers.
Would rip up any lotto ticket to watch it all happen.
This is OT, but we as K-State Alumni and fans, we should be very thankful to our past shitty coach for the multi million dollar gift he left us with. Yes, you know who I'm talking about. It's the number one contender for the Heisman and the reason for our success, Colin Klein. This is equal to what Auburn got in 2010.
You're a rough ridin' idiot
You're a dumb rough ridin' jackass, if you think Ole Bill would have recuited him. Also, tell me how many Heisman winners do we have in our wonderful football history collection.
No stop. You're a serious rough ridin' idiot.
No stop. You're a stupid rough ridin' jackass.
Dude you compared Collin Klein to Cam rough ridin' Newton. You have no concept of what went on in that fiasco. No rough ridin' concept.
If you're done with the name calling, maybe we can have a serious discussion. Cam cost 220 thousand donated to dad's church. CK cost us 3.5 million, but I still say "thank you Prince".
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Auburn has what is universally accepted as a bought trophy negating nearly all national prestige
Auburn is about to payout OVER DOUBLE what we had to get rid of Prince. $7.7 million dollars to a coach who was dirty enough to go along with it.
Auburn the community saw its biggest community members tarnished by the fallout of buying these players
Auburn recruited a thief who cut and ran as soon as it was economically viable for himself
Auburn bought a ready made pro while Snyder built Collin into the player he has become, not even debatable
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Something about perception being mostly reality and your degree would be worth more.
Amazing to think just a year or two ago people were having nervous poops about being in the mountain west. Talk about a devalued degree.
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Auburn has what is universally accepted as a bought trophy negating nearly all national prestige
Auburn is about to payout OVER DOUBLE what we had to get rid of Prince. $7.7 million dollars to a coach who was dirty enough to go along with it.
Auburn the community saw its biggest community members tarnished by the fallout of buying these players
Auburn recruited a thief who cut and ran as soon as it was economically viable for himself
Auburn bought a ready made pro while Snyder built Collin into the player he has become, not even debatable
Good points, but not what I was getting at. I was just talking about the value of CK paying back for fact we had hired a crappy coach who recruited a gem for us. You must agree we are in the catbird's seat because of him.
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How high were you guys?
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Auburn has what is universally accepted as a bought trophy negating nearly all national prestige
Auburn is about to payout OVER DOUBLE what we had to get rid of Prince. $7.7 million dollars to a coach who was dirty enough to go along with it.
Auburn the community saw its biggest community members tarnished by the fallout of buying these players
Auburn recruited a thief who cut and ran as soon as it was economically viable for himself
Auburn bought a ready made pro while Snyder built Collin into the player he has become, not even debatable
Good points, but not what I was getting at. I was just talking about the value of CK paying back for fact we had hired a crappy coach who recruited a gem for us. You must agree we are in the catbird's seat because of him.
Honestly I can't take that perspective. CK would have been been out the door after the first 30 seconds of a rough ridin' pussy team cancer speech directed at anyone in or near the locker room. To me its a bit too much of a counter factual what if scenario. Snyder made him in my mind.
The comparison to Cam really irked me (sorry) because he was a ready made player with a horrible track record. He was the perfect character for the play that was acted out around him. From the setting of an overzealous fan base, to his willingness to do anything for money, the act after act was exactly what Cam was and what can go so awfully wrong with NCAA's cartel. CK in my mind is almost exactly opposite in just about every way.
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I like money
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Auburn has what is universally accepted as a bought trophy negating nearly all national prestige
Auburn is about to payout OVER DOUBLE what we had to get rid of Prince. $7.7 million dollars to a coach who was dirty enough to go along with it.
Auburn the community saw its biggest community members tarnished by the fallout of buying these players
Auburn recruited a thief who cut and ran as soon as it was economically viable for himself
Auburn bought a ready made pro while Snyder built Collin into the player he has become, not even debatable
Also, their favorite tree was poisoned.
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What about nc in basketball? Record profit night in the 'ville? :lol: