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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Trim on October 15, 2012, 09:53:32 PM
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http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/15/3868648/wildcats-catching-on-to-webers.html
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Glad they are all having fun.
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are they sending a coded "fire weber" message through the media?
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Oh man, sys is going to have a hay day with this one.
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Oh man, sys is going to have a hay day with this one.
what kstatecat fan wouldn't want our worst eight players to make up to three mistakes without worry? heydays for everyone.
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Cussing to chicken nuggets. '12-'13 Cats!
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let the good times roll, fellas
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He cares just as Frank cares, but the language is not the same.
:lol:
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Rumblings will spradling is so comfortable he let his fire insurance lapse on his house
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it sounds like the players like oscar's intensity and appreciate that he doesn't act like a complete rough ridin' idiot like frank did. keep in my mind that i did not read the article.
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KAKE 10 here in Wichita had Spracne's comments on camera, I nearly through my cell phone through my flat screen. He's such a bitch, long ago passed Joe Leonard as my most hated KSU athlete. He's such a bitch. For two years we heard about how his dad was tougher, but now he acknowledges he's soft as a marshmallow & couldn't take Frank. Also a liar.
Man I hope no one compares Orris to Spracne, there's no way he's that soft.
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I do really hate Will. His approach to life is the same as DJDT (Just do your rough ridin' job right, losers). Woof!
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I seriously want to fight him.
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I seriously want to fight him.
I don't think that would be a fair fight.
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I seriously want to fight him.
this outcome really just seems inevitable as long as you, gooch, trim, and spradling share the same general space from time to time
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I really wish I hadn't read that. Is there a oscar Pearl show cause countdown clock somewhere?
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I seriously want to fight him.
Would pay to see. Spradling is the worst.
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Sounds like the Weber hire has been great for our student athletes. Gotta give Currie his due for that.
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jfc, slap the goddam neckbrace on Squeaks already. It really is over, isn't it fellas?
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He cares just as Frank cares, but the language is not the same.
:lol:
:users:
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He's gonna burn it down faster than we originally thought, guys.
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He's gonna burn it down faster than we originally thought, guys.
yes, he seems to be applying the accelerant himself rather than just drunkenly passing out on the couch with a lit cigarette
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He's gonna burn it down faster than we originally thought, guys.
is that necessarily a bad thing? Perhaps it will prevent tucks from becoming too complacent.
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Look at the FrankTucks melting down.
Still pining for a coach who never had any intention of staying at K-State beyond 4 or 5 years.
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He cares just as Frank cares, but the language is not the same.
:lol:
:lol:
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Look at the FrankTucks melting down.
Still pining for a coach who never had any intention of staying at K-State beyond 4 or 5 years.
you're the first person in this thread to mention frank, jackass.
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Multiple players mentioned that Weber is putting more of an early emphasis on offense, while Martin's focus was more at the defensive end, plus there has been a host of new "how to" teaching assignments.
"We're getting some of them to break some habits that they've had for three years," said Weber. "They're not bad habits, but different habits. That includes how you help on defense, where you help, and how you deny and how you defend screens. We just do it differently. They were successful with how they did things, but we do it another way."
Weber added, "There's a saying that it takes 29 days to create a habit, well, we're trying to break some three-year-old habits in a short amount of time."
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Frank was successful at defense? LOL. Weber is truly a thoughful, caring individual to say such a thing.
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Multiple players mentioned that Weber is putting more of an early emphasis on offense, while Martin's focus was more at the defensive end, plus there has been a host of new "how to" teaching assignments.
"We're getting some of them to break some habits that they've had for three years," said Weber. "They're not bad habits, but different habits. That includes how you help on defense, where you help, and how you deny and how you defend screens. We just do it differently. They were successful with how they did things, but we do it another way."
Weber added, "There's a saying that it takes 29 days to create a habit, well, we're trying to break some three-year-old habits in a short amount of time."
Weber makes it really rough ridin' hard not to actively hate him.
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One good thing is that webber taught me how cool polo shirts can be when tucked in to basketball shorts.
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That article is literally a laundry list of why Weber failed at Illinois. His "offense" and how none of the players ever have any idea what the eff they are supposed to do. Motion without purpose. Zero fear or accountability on the part of the players breeding listlessness and apathy. A team full of FPs crafted in the image of their maker. Blame shifting and excuses galore following the inevitable failure, but never any actual adjustments. The course shall be stayed, because of course oscar knows best.
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:bawl:
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That article is literally a laundry list of why Weber failed at Illinois. His "offense" and how none of the players ever have any idea what the eff they are supposed to do. Motion without purpose. Zero fear or accountability on the part of the players breeding listlessness and apathy. A team full of FPs crafted in the image of their maker. Blame shifting and excuses galore following the inevitable failure, but never any actual adjustments. The course shall be stayed, because of course oscar knows best.
I hate you for this post.
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Good thing KSU doesn't have a coach this year. They'll go out and play street ball and finish 2nd in the conference, so this should be a fun year to watch basketball.
I agree Mr. Bread, thanks for the kind words.
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Good thing KSU doesn't have a coach this year. They'll go out and play street ball and finish 2nd in the conference, so this should be a fun year to watch basketball.
I agree Mr. Bread, thanks for the kind words.
I really liked this.
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At least our players seem happy. They are super-adorable, and I only want the best for them, so I like seeing them happy. Think of how many more smiles we will be getting from Rod and Shane this year! It's going to be great at least until we start getting beat by tough, disciplined basketball teams that have their fun by winning basketball games.
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At least our players seem happy. They are super-adorable, and I only want the best for them, so I like seeing them happy. Think of how many more smiles we will be getting from Rod and Shane this year! It's going to be great at least until we start getting beat by tough, disciplined basketball teams that have their fun by winning basketball games.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7601431/THERE IS CRYING IN HOOPS (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7601431/THERE IS CRYING IN HOOPS[/b)
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At least our players seem happy. They are super-adorable, and I only want the best for them, so I like seeing them happy. Think of how many more smiles we will be getting from Rod and Shane this year! It's going to be great at least until we start getting beat by tough, disciplined basketball teams that have their fun by winning basketball games.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7601431/THERE IS CRYING IN HOOPS (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7601431/THERE IS CRYING IN HOOPS[/b)
So was that your reaction after 45-0 this past weekend?
oscar Weber may be a bad hire, but there's no way he's going to be as rough ridin' bad as Tim Beckman.
:lol:
Keep up the oscar obsession though Mr. Bread, you've clearly got a captive audience here.
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Look at the FrankTucks melting down.
Still pining for a coach who never had any intention of staying at K-State beyond 4 or 5 years.
you're the first person in this thread to mention frank, jackass.
Must have hit home . . . t&p's Daris.
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At least our players seem happy. They are super-adorable, and I only want the best for them, so I like seeing them happy. Think of how many more smiles we will be getting from Rod and Shane this year! It's going to be great at least until we start getting beat by tough, disciplined basketball teams that have their fun by winning basketball games.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7601431/THERE IS CRYING IN HOOPS (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7601431/THERE IS CRYING IN HOOPS[/b)
So was that your reaction after 45-0 this past weekend?
oscar Weber may be a bad hire, but there's no way he's going to be as rough ridin' bad as Tim Beckman.
:lol:
Keep up the oscar obsession though Mr. Bread, you've clearly got a captive audience here.
Nothing worse than a fan of college athletics perpetual underachievers always having to weigh in here.
Sad.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
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Same with me, our fans and frank
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I wonder what this article would have looked like had we hired Gottleib.
(sigh)
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I wonder what this article would have looked like had we hired Gottleib.
rough ridin' awesome
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
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I wonder what this article would have looked like had we hired Gottleib.
rough ridin' awesome
And from the NY Times.
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At least our players seem happy. They are super-adorable, and I only want the best for them, so I like seeing them happy. Think of how many more smiles we will be getting from Rod and Shane this year! It's going to be great at least until we start getting beat by tough, disciplined basketball teams that have their fun by winning basketball games.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7601431/THERE IS CRYING IN HOOPS (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7601431/THERE IS CRYING IN HOOPS[/b)
So was that your reaction after 45-0 this past weekend?
oscar Weber may be a bad hire, but there's no way he's going to be as rough ridin' bad as Tim Beckman.
:lol:
Keep up the oscar obsession though Mr. Bread, you've clearly got a captive audience here.
Nothing worse than a fan of college athletics perpetual underachievers always having to weigh in here.
Sad.
I actually agree about the Beckman part. He's already a comically bad hire. As for Illinois football? Pffft. They've been terrible for decades. I'd say there's only scar tissue there, but there wasn't a wound to begin with. You can't miss what never existed. I've never been a fan of Illinois football, because I don't support routine failure. They want to get their crap together for more than one season every eight or nine years, maybe I'll think about paying attention. Until then, eff them for being a constant embarrassment.
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I wonder what this article would have looked like had we hired Gottleib.
(sigh)
Gottlieb would've had Kellis fired so it's hard to say.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
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Frank was in the process of destroying what had been somewhat built at K-State, that's why he was looking to jettison K-State just as quickly as he possibly could . . . as I've said before, he deserves an A+ for his conceptulization and presentation of his martyr complex.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
I wasn't consulted.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
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Frank was in the process of destroying what had been somewhat built at K-State, that's why he was looking to jettison K-State just as quickly as he possibly could . . . as I've said before, he deserves an A+ for his conceptulization and presentation of his martyr complex.
This thread has nothing to do with Frank.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
I hope if I ever went on another team's bbs (I don't), I wouldn't be judged based on John Currie.
I think he talks like exactly what he is - a guy pissed off about what happened to his team over the prior decade, and seeing familiar things happening here.
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sweet jesus. how many times is this type of thread going to play out?
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Frank was in the process of destroying what had been somewhat built at K-State, that's why he was looking to jettison K-State just as quickly as he possibly could . . . as I've said before, he deserves an A+ for his conceptulization and presentation of his martyr complex.
This thread has nothing to do with Frank.
Don't be a dumbass cRusty.
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sweet jesus. how many times is this type of thread going to play out?
300+.
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sweet jesus. how many times is this type of thread going to play out?
This article (and the resulting thread) was about 98.7% predictable when oscar was hired.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
What in the world? To me he just seems like he is giving his honest opinion on oscar Weber, after spending 10 years watching a oscar Weber coached team. Why wouldn't we welcome an opinion from someone that has watched every game of our current coach for the last 10 years?
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
I hope if I ever went on another team's bbs (I don't), I wouldn't be judged based on John Currie.
I think he talks like exactly what he is - a guy pissed off about what happened to his team over the prior decade, and seeing familiar things happening here.
Did I miss our 1st game?
We're talking media day, not a game, not a game, MEDIA DAY.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
What in the world? To me he just seems like he is giving his honest opinion on oscar Weber, after spending 10 years watching a oscar Weber coached team. Why wouldn't we welcome an opinion from someone that has watched every game of our current coach for the last 10 years?
Because we get it already dumbass.
This SisterHoodofthePerpetualFrankButthurt eats it up because they're dumbass suckers who don't know when they've been played.
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Frank was in the process of destroying what had been somewhat built at K-State, that's why he was looking to jettison K-State just as quickly as he possibly could . . . as I've said before, he deserves an A+ for his conceptulization and presentation of his martyr complex.
This thread has nothing to do with Frank.
Don't be a dumbass cRusty.
No, YOU don't be a dumbass. You know this thread is completely different if we hadn't hired a piece of crap coach.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
I hope if I ever went on another team's bbs (I don't), I wouldn't be judged based on John Currie.
I think he talks like exactly what he is - a guy pissed off about what happened to his team over the prior decade, and seeing familiar things happening here.
Did I miss our 1st game?
We're talking media day, not a game, not a game, MEDIA DAY.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgifsoup.com%2Fwebroot%2Fanimatedgifs%2F53057_o.gif&hash=5f19d93988257f0559ed80cce62bdbc5b35c478e)
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
I hope if I ever went on another team's bbs (I don't), I wouldn't be judged based on John Currie.
I think he talks like exactly what he is - a guy pissed off about what happened to his team over the prior decade, and seeing familiar things happening here.
Did I miss our 1st game?
We're talking media day, not a game, not a game, MEDIA DAY.
I thought you were a recruiting guy. You're not getting mad at Mr. Bread because of his posts in this one thread about things Nino and Doc and the other FPs said at media day, are you?
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Look at the FrankTucks melting down.
Still pining for a coach who never had any intention of staying at K-State beyond 4 or 5 years.
you're the first person in this thread to mention frank, jackass.
Must have hit home . . . t&p's Daris.
nothing hit home dax. you basically just posted that two plus two was five and i responded by letting you know that it was four and that you're a jackass.
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sweet jesus. how many times is this type of thread going to play out?
This article (and the resulting thread) was about 98.7% predictable when oscar was hired.
You really went conservative with those odds.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
This is a really strange argument. Wouldn't my having experienced firsthand a number of terrible Illinois coaching hires (oscar Weber in particular) make me more qualified to discuss the subject than less? I love college basketball. I watched two coaches make Illinois basketball relevant and then I watched oscar come in initially and improve on what they had done. I hated the hire, but I bought in because of the initial success. I then watched for six years as oscar systematically dismantled what had been built. Not what he had built. He only profited from it and then he destroyed it.
The AD that hired Weber, also gave him three more years than he deserved and still didn't fire him. He retired and left it to the next guy to fire Weber his first year on the job. It was beyond brutal to watch that happen. I bear some substantial ill will to Weber personally. I get why you don't like me commenting on it. I serve as reminder that you're stuck with Weber. I'm like a guy following you around after you've been diagnosed with cancer, making sure you didn't forget that you have cancer, and also reminding you of all the ways that cancer sucks and is bad for you.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
I hope if I ever went on another team's bbs (I don't), I wouldn't be judged based on John Currie.
I think he talks like exactly what he is - a guy pissed off about what happened to his team over the prior decade, and seeing familiar things happening here.
i don't think you're very familiar with illinois basketball.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
I hope if I ever went on another team's bbs (I don't), I wouldn't be judged based on John Currie.
I think he talks like exactly what he is - a guy pissed off about what happened to his team over the prior decade, and seeing familiar things happening here.
Did I miss our 1st game?
We're talking media day, not a game, not a game, MEDIA DAY.
I thought you were a recruiting guy. You're not getting mad at Mr. Bread because of his posts in this one thread about things Nino and Doc and the other FPs said at media day, are you?
Haven't seen recruiting mentioned once in this thread, wasn't talking about that at all, what I do find funny is that everyone is freaking about media day.
Not as funny as Illinois football and the Tim Beckman hire, but still amsuing.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
I hope if I ever went on another team's bbs (I don't), I wouldn't be judged based on John Currie.
I think he talks like exactly what he is - a guy pissed off about what happened to his team over the prior decade, and seeing familiar things happening here.
i don't think you're very familiar with illinois basketball.
Not at all. I remember when they beat the squawks in the tourney a while back. Also know that they were (are?) Daris' 2nd (1st?) favorite team.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
I hope if I ever went on another team's bbs (I don't), I wouldn't be judged based on John Currie.
I think he talks like exactly what he is - a guy pissed off about what happened to his team over the prior decade, and seeing familiar things happening here.
Did I miss our 1st game?
We're talking media day, not a game, not a game, MEDIA DAY.
I thought you were a recruiting guy. You're not getting mad at Mr. Bread because of his posts in this one thread about things Nino and Doc and the other FPs said at media day, are you?
Haven't seen recruiting mentioned once in this thread, wasn't talking about that at all, what I do find funny is that everyone is freaking about media day.
Not as funny as Illinois football and the Tim Beckman hire, but still amsuing.
I'm speaking generally about Mr. Bread's time at goEMAW, but you know that.
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
:confused:
Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
This is a really strange argument. Wouldn't my having experienced firsthand a number of terrible Illinois coaching hires (oscar Weber in particular) make me more qualified to discuss the subject than less? I love college basketball. I watched two coaches make Illinois basketball relevant and then I watched oscar come in initially and improve on what they had done. I hated the hire, but I bought in because of the initial success. I then watched for six years as oscar systematically dismantled what had been built. Not what he had built. He only profited from it and then he destroyed it.
The AD that hired Weber, also gave him three more years than he deserved and still didn't fire him. He retired and left it to the next guy to fire Weber his first year on the job. It was beyond brutal to watch that happen. I bear some substantial ill will to Weber personally. I get why you don't like me commenting on it. I serve as reminder that you're stuck with Weber. I'm like a guy following you around after you've been diagnosed with cancer, making sure you didn't forget that you have cancer, and also reminding you of all the ways that cancer sucks and is bad for you.
Open scrimmage before Texas Tech fball game on Oct 27.
I'm genuinely looking forward to it, let's ball it up.
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Open scrimmage before Texas Tech fball game on Oct 27.
I'm genuinely looking forward to it, let's ball it up.
I might go, depending on my booze situation.
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sweet jesus. how many times is this type of thread going to play out?
This article (and the resulting thread) was about 98.7% predictable when oscar was hired.
If that article had shown up as a cut/paste quote in this thread, I would have assumed Pete wrote it as a joke.
Basketball is sad.
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Open scrimmage before Texas Tech fball game on Oct 27.
I'm genuinely looking forward to it, let's ball it up.
I might go, depending on my booze situation.
Go Cats
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Mr. Bread watched oscar Weber destroy something he loved. He can vent however he wants.
No College of Charleston bbs'r is gonna get me to stop telling them how much Webber sucks ten years from now.
The Illinois AD has shown the capacity to eff up and KSU's AD isn't immune to that.
People living in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks.
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Is the poster Mr. Bread in a glass house because the Illinois AD has mumped up in the past?
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
I hope if I ever went on another team's bbs (I don't), I wouldn't be judged based on John Currie.
I think he talks like exactly what he is - a guy pissed off about what happened to his team over the prior decade, and seeing familiar things happening here.
Did I miss our 1st game?
We're talking media day, not a game, not a game, MEDIA DAY.
I thought you were a recruiting guy. You're not getting mad at Mr. Bread because of his posts in this one thread about things Nino and Doc and the other FPs said at media day, are you?
Haven't seen recruiting mentioned once in this thread, wasn't talking about that at all, what I do find funny is that everyone is freaking about media day.
No one is freaking out about media day.
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sweet jesus. how many times is this type of thread going to play out?
This article (and the resulting thread) was about 98.7% predictable when oscar was hired.
If that article had shown up as a cut/paste quote in this thread, I would have assumed Pete wrote it as a joke.
Basketball is sad.
well you certainly don't want to pay attention to it then, if it depresses you.
good news cats fans, you have options!
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sweet jesus. how many times is this type of thread going to play out?
This article (and the resulting thread) was about 98.7% predictable when oscar was hired.
If that article had shown up as a cut/paste quote in this thread, I would have assumed Pete wrote it as a joke.
Basketball is sad.
well you certainly don't want to pay attention to it then, if it depresses you.
good news cats fans, you have options!
you type some of the stupidest stuff anymore, i swear.
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it's like watching a car wreck, i just can't look away!
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Frank was in the process of destroying what had been somewhat built at K-State, that's why he was looking to jettison K-State just as quickly as he possibly could . . . as I've said before, he deserves an A+ for his conceptulization and presentation of his martyr complex.
This thread has nothing to do with Frank.
Don't be a dumbass cRusty.
No, YOU don't be a dumbass. You know this thread is completely different if we hadn't hired a piece of crap coach.
Most of the other options would have been even bigger pieces of crap . . . and this thread is all about Frank Martin.
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this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.
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Frank was in the process of destroying what had been somewhat built at K-State, that's why he was looking to jettison K-State just as quickly as he possibly could . . . as I've said before, he deserves an A+ for his conceptulization and presentation of his martyr complex.
This thread has nothing to do with Frank.
Don't be a dumbass cRusty.
No, YOU don't be a dumbass. You know this thread is completely different if we hadn't hired a piece of crap coach.
Most of the other options would have been even bigger pieces of crap . . . and this thread is all about Frank Martin.
Not all of them. We hire Gottlieb and I have my theoretical giant Gottlieb head hanging up on the wall of my office instead of last year's 4-Frank schedule poster. Still not sure when that's coming down or if a new one will go up.
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this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.
i can't imagine it being anything but great.
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I'm a big fan of this butthurt. It's very real butthurt.
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this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.
i can't imagine it being anything but great.
Kent Wien 4 board president.
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I'm a big fan of this butthurt. It's very real butthurt.
yes, very enjoyable as a participant and viewer
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Frank was in the process of destroying what had been somewhat built at K-State, that's why he was looking to jettison K-State just as quickly as he possibly could . . . as I've said before, he deserves an A+ for his conceptulization and presentation of his martyr complex.
This thread has nothing to do with Frank.
Don't be a dumbass cRusty.
No, YOU don't be a dumbass. You know this thread is completely different if we hadn't hired a piece of crap coach.
Most of the other options would have been even bigger pieces of crap . . . and this thread is all about Frank Martin.
Not all of them. We hire Gottlieb and I have my theoretical giant Gottlieb head hanging up on the wall of my office instead of last year's 4-Frank schedule poster. Still not sure when that's coming down or if a new one will go up.
But most hires of the Gottlieb type end in utter failure. I am reminded of when Clyde Drexler got hired at Houston. Guys like that get coaching jobs, and they know in the back of their minds that if it doesn't work out they have a bunch of fall back positions, most of them of the cushy variety. Not as an assistant coach who has to pile up the frequent flier miles recruiting at every backwater AAU tourney.
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Most of the other options would have been even bigger pieces of crap . . . and this thread is all about Frank Martin.
nope and nope
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Not sure why people are butthurt. Not having a head coach is going to be both innovative and entertaining. It's so much better than our last colossal dork of a coach, too.
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Most of the other options would have been even bigger pieces of crap . . . and this thread is all about Frank Martin.
nope and nope
yes, and YES.
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Frank was in the process of destroying what had been somewhat built at K-State, that's why he was looking to jettison K-State just as quickly as he possibly could . . . as I've said before, he deserves an A+ for his conceptulization and presentation of his martyr complex.
This thread has nothing to do with Frank.
Don't be a dumbass cRusty.
No, YOU don't be a dumbass. You know this thread is completely different if we hadn't hired a piece of crap coach.
Most of the other options would have been even bigger pieces of crap . . . and this thread is all about Frank Martin.
Not all of them. We hire Gottlieb and I have my theoretical giant Gottlieb head hanging up on the wall of my office instead of last year's 4-Frank schedule poster. Still not sure when that's coming down or if a new one will go up.
But most hires of the Gottlieb type end in utter failure. I am reminded of when Clyde Drexler got hired at Houston. Guys like that get coaching jobs, and they know in the back of their minds that if it doesn't work out they have a bunch of fall back positions, most of them of the cushy variety. Not as an assistant coach who has to pile up the frequent flier miles recruiting at every backwater AAU tourney.
Drexler is a terrible comparo to Gottlieb, but I would have given this assistant you mention the benefit of the doubt, as well.
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Not sure why people are butthurt. Not having a head coach is going to be both innovative and entertaining. It's so much better than our last colossal dork of a coach, too.
welcome to team eff both guys 42. it's now a team of 2. we get to be butthurt both ways. :thumbs:
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Not sure why people are butthurt. Not having a head coach is going to be both innovative and entertaining. It's so much better than our last colossal dork of a coach, too.
welcome to team eff both guys 42. it's now a team of 2. we get to be butthurt both ways. :thumbs:
I've been on that team for a few months now :thumbs:
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Frank was in the process of destroying what had been somewhat built at K-State, that's why he was looking to jettison K-State just as quickly as he possibly could . . . as I've said before, he deserves an A+ for his conceptulization and presentation of his martyr complex.
This thread has nothing to do with Frank.
Don't be a dumbass cRusty.
No, YOU don't be a dumbass. You know this thread is completely different if we hadn't hired a piece of crap coach.
Most of the other options would have been even bigger pieces of crap . . . and this thread is all about Frank Martin.
Not all of them. We hire Gottlieb and I have my theoretical giant Gottlieb head hanging up on the wall of my office instead of last year's 4-Frank schedule poster. Still not sure when that's coming down or if a new one will go up.
But most hires of the Gottlieb type end in utter failure. I am reminded of when Clyde Drexler got hired at Houston. Guys like that get coaching jobs, and they know in the back of their minds that if it doesn't work out they have a bunch of fall back positions, most of them of the cushy variety. Not as an assistant coach who has to pile up the frequent flier miles recruiting at every backwater AAU tourney.
Drexler is a terrible comparo to Gottlieb, but I would have given this assistant you mention the benefit of the doubt, as well.
It's actually a great comparo.
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Not sure why people are butthurt. Not having a head coach is going to be both innovative and entertaining. It's so much better than our last colossal dork of a coach, too.
welcome to team eff both guys 42. it's now a team of 2. we get to be butthurt both ways. :thumbs:
I've been on that team for a few months now :thumbs:
:thumbs:
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Not sure why people are butthurt. Not having a head coach is going to be both innovative and entertaining. It's so much better than our last colossal dork of a coach, too.
welcome to team eff both guys 42. it's now a team of 2. we get to be butthurt both ways. :thumbs:
I've been on that team for a few months now :thumbs:
Look at you 2, you trailblazers.
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Not sure why people are butthurt. Not having a head coach is going to be both innovative and entertaining. It's so much better than our last colossal dork of a coach, too.
welcome to team eff both guys 42. it's now a team of 2. we get to be butthurt both ways. :thumbs:
I've been on that team for a few months now :thumbs:
Look at you 2, you trailblazers.
GET OUT OF OUR HUDDLE KRUSTY! :dubious:
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this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.
i can't imagine it being anything but great.
Kent Wien 4 board president.
great = entertaining. i dare you to disagree. completely dare you. i do.
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Not sure why people are butthurt. Not having a head coach is going to be both innovative and entertaining. It's so much better than our last colossal dork of a coach, too.
welcome to team eff both guys 42. it's now a team of 2. we get to be butthurt both ways. :thumbs:
I've been on that team for a few months now :thumbs:
same here, crap. good grief, sitting here in our jersey's being ignored by steve douche.
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Not sure why people are butthurt. Not having a head coach is going to be both innovative and entertaining. It's so much better than our last colossal dork of a coach, too.
welcome to team eff both guys 42. it's now a team of 2. we get to be butthurt both ways. :thumbs:
I've been on that team for a few months now :thumbs:
same here, crap. good grief, sitting here in our jersey's being ignored by steve douche.
clams, you're cool. rusty, STILL NOPE!
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how can you imagine this guy not being his own boss? Like he needs a head coach to tell him to go out on the court and smash faces in.
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Frank was in the process of destroying what had been somewhat built at K-State, that's why he was looking to jettison K-State just as quickly as he possibly could . . . as I've said before, he deserves an A+ for his conceptulization and presentation of his martyr complex.
This thread has nothing to do with Frank.
Don't be a dumbass cRusty.
No, YOU don't be a dumbass. You know this thread is completely different if we hadn't hired a piece of crap coach.
Most of the other options would have been even bigger pieces of crap . . . and this thread is all about Frank Martin.
Not all of them. We hire Gottlieb and I have my theoretical giant Gottlieb head hanging up on the wall of my office instead of last year's 4-Frank schedule poster. Still not sure when that's coming down or if a new one will go up.
But most hires of the Gottlieb type end in utter failure. I am reminded of when Clyde Drexler got hired at Houston. Guys like that get coaching jobs, and they know in the back of their minds that if it doesn't work out they have a bunch of fall back positions, most of them of the cushy variety. Not as an assistant coach who has to pile up the frequent flier miles recruiting at every backwater AAU tourney.
Disagree, but the point anyway is that we're all partying right now with huge emawboners in a giant thread about the media day articles that would've been written yesterday had Gottlieb been hired.
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this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.
i can't imagine it being anything but great.
Kent Wien 4 board president.
great = entertaining. i dare you to disagree. completely dare you. i do.
I'm writing you in whether you want to run or not, and we're going to win this rough ridin' thing. You know how I know you're the right man for the job? Because you don't want it.
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Frank was in the process of destroying what had been somewhat built at K-State, that's why he was looking to jettison K-State just as quickly as he possibly could . . . as I've said before, he deserves an A+ for his conceptulization and presentation of his martyr complex.
This thread has nothing to do with Frank.
Don't be a dumbass cRusty.
No, YOU don't be a dumbass. You know this thread is completely different if we hadn't hired a piece of crap coach.
Most of the other options would have been even bigger pieces of crap . . . and this thread is all about Frank Martin.
Not all of them. We hire Gottlieb and I have my theoretical giant Gottlieb head hanging up on the wall of my office instead of last year's 4-Frank schedule poster. Still not sure when that's coming down or if a new one will go up.
But most hires of the Gottlieb type end in utter failure. I am reminded of when Clyde Drexler got hired at Houston. Guys like that get coaching jobs, and they know in the back of their minds that if it doesn't work out they have a bunch of fall back positions, most of them of the cushy variety. Not as an assistant coach who has to pile up the frequent flier miles recruiting at every backwater AAU tourney.
Disagree, but the point anyway is that we're all partying right now with huge emawboners in a giant thread about the media day articles that would've been written yesterday had Gottlieb been hired.
Bob Brenly, but adorable.
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Not sure why people are butthurt. Not having a head coach is going to be both innovative and entertaining. It's so much better than our last colossal dork of a coach, too.
welcome to team eff both guys 42. it's now a team of 2. we get to be butthurt both ways. :thumbs:
I've been on that team for a few months now :thumbs:
same here, crap. good grief, sitting here in our jersey's being ignored by steve douche.
clams, you're cool. rusty, STILL NOPE!
lol. you only put clams on the team because he's tall and you still need players. not because he deserves it and we all know it.
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Not sure why people are butthurt. Not having a head coach is going to be both innovative and entertaining. It's so much better than our last colossal dork of a coach, too.
welcome to team eff both guys 42. it's now a team of 2. we get to be butthurt both ways. :thumbs:
I've been on that team for a few months now :thumbs:
same here, crap. good grief, sitting here in our jersey's being ignored by steve douche.
clams, you're cool. rusty, STILL NOPE!
lol. you only put clams on the team because he's tall and you still need players. not because he deserves it and we all know it.
TC? Looks like the joke's on Steve Dave here.
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Look at the FrankTucks melting down.
Still pining for a coach who never had any intention of staying at K-State beyond 4 or 5 years.
see this is the problem with people like you here and on the politics board. You don't understand that just because you don't like one option, it doesn't automatically mean you like the other option. Also if you had the stones to critically examine your option, you would see it sucks too.
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Look at the FrankTucks melting down.
Still pining for a coach who never had any intention of staying at K-State beyond 4 or 5 years.
see this is the problem with people like you here and on the politics board. You don't understand that just because you don't like one option, it doesn't automatically mean you like the other option. Also if you had the stones to critically examine your option, you would see it sucks too.
he knows that, the difference is that his ass isn't bleeding all over this board.
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But Spradling enjoyed the experience all the same. Not just because the new offense built up his endurance, allows players more freedom and he thinks the Wildcats are close to mastering it, either.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/15/3868648/wildcats-catching-on-to-webers.html#storylink=cpy
Thanks for trying hard on defense last year! < sarcastic clap >
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Did you know: Webber has the least wins of any KSU coach in history!*
Sheesh, this guy! :angry:
*Source: wikipedia
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Look at the FrankTucks melting down.
Still pining for a coach who never had any intention of staying at K-State beyond 4 or 5 years.
see this is the problem with people like you here and on the politics board. You don't understand that just because you don't like one option, it doesn't automatically mean you like the other option. Also if you had the stones to critically examine your option, you would see it sucks too.
he knows that, the difference is that his ass isn't bleeding all over this board.
Oh, it's still bleeding all over the board, you just like his stains more.
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Look at the FrankTucks melting down.
Still pining for a coach who never had any intention of staying at K-State beyond 4 or 5 years.
see this is the problem with people like you here and on the politics board. You don't understand that just because you don't like one option, it doesn't automatically mean you like the other option. Also if you had the stones to critically examine your option, you would see it sucks too.
he knows that, the difference is that his ass isn't bleeding all over this board.
Oh, it's still bleeding all over the board, you just like his stains more.
That was a fantastic post.
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Look at the FrankTucks melting down.
Still pining for a coach who never had any intention of staying at K-State beyond 4 or 5 years.
see this is the problem with people like you here and on the politics board. You don't understand that just because you don't like one option, it doesn't automatically mean you like the other option. Also if you had the stones to critically examine your option, you would see it sucks too.
he knows that, the difference is that his ass isn't bleeding all over this board.
Oh, it's still bleeding all over the board, you just like his stains more.
no, not really, quality attempt at missing the point though.
eta congrats on earning koug's seal of approval.
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this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.
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Not sure why people are butthurt. Not having a head coach is going to be both innovative and entertaining. It's so much better than our last colossal dork of a coach, too.
welcome to team eff both guys 42. it's now a team of 2. we get to be butthurt both ways. :thumbs:
I've been on that team for a few months now :thumbs:
:thumbs:
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this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.
i don't understand that take at all. imagine the myriad of topics we'll have to talk about including but not limited to, how bad our offense is, how unathletic our guys look, coaching search master thread, after all of this and we still rolled texas, what's wrong with angel?, what's wrong with JO?, what's wrong with McOrebs?, CHET!, how did ISU beat us again? etc, etc.
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this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.
i don't understand that take at all. imagine the myriad of topics we'll have to talk about including but not limited to, how bad our offense is, how unathletic our guys look, coaching search master thread, after all of this and we still rolled texas, what's wrong with angel?, what's wrong with JO?, what's wrong with McOrebs?, CHET!, how did ISU beat us again? etc, etc.
also frank apologists posting about frank when he does well and frank haters posting when he does bad
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@Jpullz0: When the grass is cut the snakes a show
no one is going to take this tougher than @Jpullz0
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this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.
i don't understand that take at all. imagine the myriad of topics we'll have to talk about including but not limited to, how bad our offense is, how unathletic our guys look, coaching search master thread, after all of this and we still rolled texas, what's wrong with angel?, what's wrong with JO?, what's wrong with McOrebs?, CHET!, how did ISU beat us again? etc, etc.
Yep and threads just like this have existed the previous 5 years, the difference this year is that instead of discussing the actual topic at hand, like how soft doc is, there will be about 4 people consistently deflecting. These people have trauma because the last guy left and instead of looking back at what we had with joy & at the same time be happy for the guy who left and gave himself a fresh start, they're still dealing with being left. This manifests itself by telling others that they are not over it when in fact it is these four posters that are waiting for that guy to walk back into the door and hug them and tell them it isn't their fault. It's easier for these four or so to project anger to deal with their hurt. These four or so posters need to see a shrink or find a better way to deal with being the children of divorce so the rest of us can move on too.
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There's no way that this goEMAW bball board offseason hasn't been a hundred times more fun than it would have been if Frank was still coach. The same will be true once the season starts.
On the butthurt issue: dax is butthurt his normal amount while others are off the charts butthurt compared to their usual selves.
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There's no way that this goEMAW bball board offseason hasn't been a hundred times more fun than it would have been if Frank was still coach. The same will be true once the season starts.
On the butthurt issue: dax is butthurt his normal amount while others are off the charts butthurt compared to their usual selves.
agreed
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Can you imagine what it's going to be like with JO and Rodney directing this team without having to look to the bench for directions from anyone? It's just going to be incredible to watch.
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Look at the FrankTucks melting down.
Still pining for a coach who never had any intention of staying at K-State beyond 4 or 5 years.
see this is the problem with people like you here and on the politics board. You don't understand that just because you don't like one option, it doesn't automatically mean you like the other option. Also if you had the stones to critically examine your option, you would see it sucks too.
No, I understand all the options, and I understand that most of the options were either nothing but goEMAW never gonna happen wet dream fantasies or total reaches or worse options than what we got.
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Look at the FrankTucks melting down.
Still pining for a coach who never had any intention of staying at K-State beyond 4 or 5 years.
see this is the problem with people like you here and on the politics board. You don't understand that just because you don't like one option, it doesn't automatically mean you like the other option. Also if you had the stones to critically examine your option, you would see it sucks too.
No, I understand all the options, and I understand that most of the options were either nothing but goEMAW never gonna happen wet dream fantasies or total reaches or worse options than what we got.
I surprisingly agree with this post
also LOL at Clam's worthless posting, I can't believe the pot got stirred up that well. It was like blending yogurt with fruit chunks perfectly in the first spoonful well.
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this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.
i don't understand that take at all. imagine the myriad of topics we'll have to talk about including but not limited to, how bad our offense is, how unathletic our guys look, coaching search master thread, after all of this and we still rolled texas, what's wrong with angel?, what's wrong with JO?, what's wrong with McOrebs?, CHET!, how did ISU beat us again? etc, etc.
Yep and threads just like this have existed the previous 5 years, the difference this year is that instead of discussing the actual topic at hand, like how soft doc is, there will be about 4 people consistently deflecting. These people have trauma because the last guy left and instead of looking back at what we had with joy & at the same time be happy for the guy who left and gave himself a fresh start, they're still dealing with being left. This manifests itself by telling others that they are not over it when in fact it is these four posters that are waiting for that guy to walk back into the door and hug them and tell them it isn't their fault. It's easier for these four or so to project anger to deal with their hurt. These four or so posters need to see a shrink or find a better way to deal with being the children of divorce so the rest of us can move on too.
I think this is a good post...but it's over my head.
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this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.
i don't understand that take at all. imagine the myriad of topics we'll have to talk about including but not limited to, how bad our offense is, how unathletic our guys look, coaching search master thread, after all of this and we still rolled texas, what's wrong with angel?, what's wrong with JO?, what's wrong with McOrebs?, CHET!, how did ISU beat us again? etc, etc.
Yep and threads just like this have existed the previous 5 years, the difference this year is that instead of discussing the actual topic at hand, like how soft doc is, there will be about 4 people consistently deflecting. These people have trauma because the last guy left and instead of looking back at what we had with joy & at the same time be happy for the guy who left and gave himself a fresh start, they're still dealing with being left. This manifests itself by telling others that they are not over it when in fact it is these four posters that are waiting for that guy to walk back into the door and hug them and tell them it isn't their fault. It's easier for these four or so to project anger to deal with their hurt. These four or so posters need to see a shrink or find a better way to deal with being the children of divorce so the rest of us can move on too.
Why not just name the 4 posters, dork.
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i would like to add that this thread has everything to do with frank
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this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.
i don't understand that take at all. imagine the myriad of topics we'll have to talk about including but not limited to, how bad our offense is, how unathletic our guys look, coaching search master thread, after all of this and we still rolled texas, what's wrong with angel?, what's wrong with JO?, what's wrong with McOrebs?, CHET!, how did ISU beat us again? etc, etc.
Yep and threads just like this have existed the previous 5 years, the difference this year is that instead of discussing the actual topic at hand, like how soft doc is, there will be about 4 people consistently deflecting. These people have trauma because the last guy left and instead of looking back at what we had with joy & at the same time be happy for the guy who left and gave himself a fresh start, they're still dealing with being left. This manifests itself by telling others that they are not over it when in fact it is these four posters that are waiting for that guy to walk back into the door and hug them and tell them it isn't their fault. It's easier for these four or so to project anger to deal with their hurt. These four or so posters need to see a shrink or find a better way to deal with being the children of divorce so the rest of us can move on too.
everyone agrees that this year is going to be an excellent BBS season: check
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He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
i understand why underdog's butt hurts, but i don't understand why he thinks mr. bread is the one that raped him.
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Most of the other options would have been even bigger pieces of crap . . . and this thread is all about Frank Martin.
i agree with dax. once the person employed as kstate's ad decided to chase away martin, the chances of hiring a coach of similar or higher quality were almost nil.
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He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.
I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
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i understand why underdog's butt hurts, but i don't understand why he thinks mr. bread is the one that raped him.
No buuthurt for this dude.
When people are talkin crap, might as well join in the fun.
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No buuthurt for this dude.
he's not judging you, underdog. he's just trying to get you cleaned up and those bruises looked at.
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No buuthurt for this dude.
he's not judging you, underdog. he's just trying to get you cleaned up and those bruises looked at.
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Thank for clearing my conscience there sys, I was really worried about final message board judgment there, but now all my troubles have gone away.
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i would like to add that this thread has everything to do with frank
Weird, I thought there were lots of posts and threads about how soft Will Spradling was/is when Frank was here, I personally have dozens myself. Oh well I must have just dreamed that, I guess will personified mentally tough and we all loved him for it. We totally changed our opinion of him the week of the final four.
Great call as always kim carnes. When I need someone to summarize the pulse of the board I can always count on you :thumbs:
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Sys . . . still the piss boy for a coach who never intended to stay at K-State.
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Sys . . . still the piss boy for a coach who never intended to stay at K-State.
good job not letting anyone agree with you, dax.
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Sys . . . still the piss boy for a coach who never intended to stay at K-State.
good job not letting anyone agree with you, dax.
That wasn't the part of your dumbass post I was talking about Frank's piss boy.
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this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.
i don't understand that take at all. imagine the myriad of topics we'll have to talk about including but not limited to, how bad our offense is, how unathletic our guys look, coaching search master thread, after all of this and we still rolled texas, what's wrong with angel?, what's wrong with JO?, what's wrong with McOrebs?, CHET!, how did ISU beat us again? etc, etc.
Yep and threads just like this have existed the previous 5 years, the difference this year is that instead of discussing the actual topic at hand, like how soft doc is, there will be about 4 people consistently deflecting. These people have trauma because the last guy left and instead of looking back at what we had with joy & at the same time be happy for the guy who left and gave himself a fresh start, they're still dealing with being left. This manifests itself by telling others that they are not over it when in fact it is these four posters that are waiting for that guy to walk back into the door and hug them and tell them it isn't their fault. It's easier for these four or so to project anger to deal with their hurt. These four or so posters need to see a shrink or find a better way to deal with being the children of divorce so the rest of us can move on too.
Why not just name the 4 posters, dork.
Not 100% of the four, I can give you two solid ones; SD, 42 and anyone else on team hate them both who was on Team Frank on March 23rd.
Still not sure if 'clams is just stirring the pot. Dax hates everyone and everything so he doesn't count. UW is just very boisterous about giving chicken nuggets a chance, not so much Frank hating. He is what sys would call a nazi.
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Sys . . . still the piss boy for a coach who never intended to stay at K-State.
Who the eff cares if he never intended to stay here? That's a tuck talking point & you're better than that. We love Frank for what he did while he was here, you never gave yourself a chance to ride the wave, bitched for five years, so you don't get it.
We also wanted Gottlieb even though we know he would leave us for OSU in a second.
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I call myself a K-State fan through thick and through thin and that's something I will never apologize for.
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I guess I don't get why people are reacting so negatively to this article.
As far as coaching philosophy goes, yeah, players were more afraid to make mistakes when Frank was on the sidelines. Is it better to not be afraid to make mistakes and play more confidently (as it seems is the case under Weber)? Debatable. You want your players playing confident, but you don't want them taking every ill-advised shot they get. I didn't like the way Martin handled every situation, but I will say that he was pretty consistent in his philosophy.
I guess I'm of the opinion that if you coach players well and play to your strengths, less mistakes will be made. Perhaps Weber is "teaching" better than Frank was, which can help minimize mistakes. Not sure I'm convinced that the motion offense is all that great. Seems more mistake prone actually. But the motion offense is also pretty worthless if you're not confident and are too afraid to "mess up" the offense. You have to have confidence to make "basketball plays" as my old coach would call them, do something that isn't written in the offense, have the sense of mind to cut to the basket if your defender is somewhere in la-la land. Perhaps that explains somewhat oscar's difference in coaching philosophy.
Or perhaps I'm giving him too much credit.
Or perhaps I just have no clue what the eff I'm talking about.
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I don't hate anyone, I dislike posts from people who stand firm through the 2nd shake for a coach who had no intention of staying at K-State.
All we need is the final shot of Frank, like his predecessor walking in deep furrowed brow head down against the cold Kansas wind thought . . . towards the airplane.
(Bites knuckles) "Gosh, it's just gotta be tearing him up inside" (Wipes tears).
Bull$hit MIR . . . I only bitched about things worth bitching about. $hitty play at times, and even $hittier recruiting at times . . . one of the main reasons why Frank bailed.
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Hating on Frank is loads of fun. I suggest it for everyone. What the eff are we supposed to do? Pay homage to some rough ridin' rich, bad person coach because he won games? Well, eff that loser crap. eff you and your stupid rough ridin' LHC Bill Snyder Highway bullshit.
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I call myself a K-State fan through thick and through thin and that's something I will never apologize for.
nor should you, nor should #teamburnitdown
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I don't hate anyone, I dislike posts from people who stand firm through the 2nd shake for a coach who had no intention of staying at K-State.
All we need is the final shot of Frank, like his predecessor walking in deep furrowed brow head down against the cold Kansas wind thought . . . towards the airplane.
(Bites knuckles) "Gosh, it's just gotta be tearing him up inside" (Wipes tears).
Bull$hit MIR . . . I only bitched about things worth bitching about. $hitty play at times, and even $hittier recruiting at times . . . one of the main reasons why Frank bailed.
So you only post when you're bitching, not my fault for thinking you hate everything. It's the image you've carefully crafted, don't runaway from it now.
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If you like oscar Weber as k-state's head coach, then you to not care for Kansas state basketball.
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Hating on Frank is loads of fun.
it doesn't look like fun. mir is stating the rational position eloquently. i don't know if martin is the best coach in kstate history or not, but i know he was the best kstate coach in my lifetime. i'm very happy that he spent five years at kstate. i wish he could have been there longer.
weird of me, not to hate something that brought me happiness, i know.
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Hating on Frank is loads of fun.
it doesn't look like fun. mir is stating the rational position eloquently. i don't know if martin is the best coach in kstate history or not, but i know he was the best kstate coach in my lifetime. i'm very happy that he spent five years at kstate. i wish he could have been there longer.
weird of me, not to hate something that brought me happiness, i know.
it is great, frank is a giant loser who is easy to dislike. he hated k-state and yet for some reason a bunch of people on goEMAW worship him.
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If you like oscar Weber as k-state's head coach, then you to not care for Kansas state basketball.
Coaches to replace oscar in 2-3 years when he is fired:
1. Mike Krzyzewski
2. Jim Boeheim
3. oscar Pearl
4. Bob Chipman
5. LHC Bill Snyder
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Is there any rules against hating oscar 2012 AND Frank 2012? If not, that's what I will do.
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:bill: truly is our only hope
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Hating on Frank is loads of fun.
it doesn't look like fun. mir is stating the rational position eloquently. i don't know if martin is the best coach in kstate history or not, but i know he was the best kstate coach in my lifetime. i'm very happy that he spent five years at kstate. i wish he could have been there longer.
weird of me, not to hate something that brought me happiness, i know.
The weird part is associating personal happiness with K-State winning basketball games. All the more so when you do it with reverence for a tool like Frank Martin. He was always a tool. Just like Weber.
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Hating on Frank is loads of fun.
it doesn't look like fun. mir is stating the rational position eloquently. i don't know if martin is the best coach in kstate history or not, but i know he was the best kstate coach in my lifetime. i'm very happy that he spent five years at kstate. i wish he could have been there longer.
weird of me, not to hate something that brought me happiness, i know.
The weird part is associating personal happiness with K-State winning basketball games. All the more so when you do it with reverence for a tool like Frank Martin. He was always a tool. Just like Weber.
not weird at all. seems like that's why pretty much everyone congregates here. maybe not you so it seems.
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The weird part is associating personal happiness with K-State winning basketball games.
it made me very, very happy.
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Hating on Frank is loads of fun.
it doesn't look like fun. mir is stating the rational position eloquently. i don't know if martin is the best coach in kstate history or not, but i know he was the best kstate coach in my lifetime. i'm very happy that he spent five years at kstate. i wish he could have been there longer.
weird of me, not to hate something that brought me happiness, i know.
The weird part is associating personal happiness with K-State winning basketball games. All the more so when you do it with reverence for a tool like Frank Martin. He was always a tool. Just like Weber.
not weird at all. seems like that's why pretty much everyone congregates here. maybe not you so it seems.
I guess maybe instead of "weird" I should have said "mumped up."
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Hating on Frank is loads of fun.
it doesn't look like fun. mir is stating the rational position eloquently. i don't know if martin is the best coach in kstate history or not, but i know he was the best kstate coach in my lifetime. i'm very happy that he spent five years at kstate. i wish he could have been there longer.
weird of me, not to hate something that brought me happiness, i know.
The weird part is associating personal happiness with K-State winning basketball games. All the more so when you do it with reverence for a tool like Frank Martin. He was always a tool. Just like Weber.
not weird at all. seems like that's why pretty much everyone congregates here. maybe not you so it seems.
I guess maybe instead of "weird" I should have said "mumped up."
it takes all kinds chum.
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Hating on Frank is loads of fun.
it doesn't look like fun. mir is stating the rational position eloquently. i don't know if martin is the best coach in kstate history or not, but i know he was the best kstate coach in my lifetime. i'm very happy that he spent five years at kstate. i wish he could have been there longer.
weird of me, not to hate something that brought me happiness, i know.
Who didn't like what Frank did during the 5 years? What I didn't like was the fact that it was quite clear that outside a complete change in trajectory, the next 5 years weren't going to be very good. A clear, clean, concise indication that Frank wasn't a long term deal and had no intention to be. You don't plan on sticking around long when you go entire recruiting classes recruiting absolute $hit . . . you're just there to ride out what you inherited, or what you got riding the euphoria of the previous coach so you can move on.
You can bitch all day long about Currie . . . but nothing says not committed to basketball like an $18 million dollars of basketball training facility, and nearly $2 million dollars a year in total compensation for the head coach, all the while no trophies of significance are going into the trophy case, and entire recruiting classes blow ass.
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So anyway back on topic, what kind of bad habits do you suppose oscar is trying to undo? My guess, ball denial is a big one, learning to play a 2-3 zone probably. Thoughts?
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I'm sure there have been entire practices devoted to juking.
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Timeout calling Wednesdays.
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Hating on Frank is loads of fun.
it doesn't look like fun. mir is stating the rational position eloquently. i don't know if martin is the best coach in kstate history or not, but i know he was the best kstate coach in my lifetime. i'm very happy that he spent five years at kstate. i wish he could have been there longer.
weird of me, not to hate something that brought me happiness, i know.
Who didn't like what Frank did during the 5 years? What I didn't like was the fact that it was quite clear that outside a complete change in trajectory, the next 5 years weren't going to be very good. A clear, clean, concise indication that Frank wasn't a long term deal and had no intention to be. You don't plan on sticking around long when you go entire recruiting classes recruiting absolute $hit . . . you're just there to ride out what you inherited, or what you got riding the euphoria of the previous coach so you can move on.
You can bitch all day long about Currie . . . but nothing says not committed to basketball like an $18 million dollars of basketball training facility, and nearly $2 million dollars a year in total compensation for the head coach, all the while no trophies of significance are going into the trophy case, and entire recruiting classes blow ass.
dax, you can't talk sense to these people. frank had one fluke season where 2 of the major contributors were transfers and they think he is mike kzkvijewzki.
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According to the article he hasn't placed as much emphasis on defense. I do not like this.
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I love me some K-State winning basketball. :ksu:
Don't give a eff who the coach is that's winning.
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I love me some K-State winning basketball. :ksu:
Don't give a eff who the coach is that's winning.
FYI, BTW, et cetera
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Hating on Frank is loads of fun.
it doesn't look like fun. mir is stating the rational position eloquently. i don't know if martin is the best coach in kstate history or not, but i know he was the best kstate coach in my lifetime. i'm very happy that he spent five years at kstate. i wish he could have been there longer.
weird of me, not to hate something that brought me happiness, i know.
Who didn't like what Frank did during the 5 years? What I didn't like was the fact that it was quite clear that outside a complete change in trajectory, the next 5 years weren't going to be very good. A clear, clean, concise indication that Frank wasn't a long term deal and had no intention to be. You don't plan on sticking around long when you go entire recruiting classes recruiting absolute $hit . . . you're just there to ride out what you inherited, or what you got riding the euphoria of the previous coach so you can move on.
You can bitch all day long about Currie . . . but nothing says not committed to basketball like an $18 million dollars of basketball training facility, and nearly $2 million dollars a year in total compensation for the head coach, all the while no trophies of significance are going into the trophy case, and entire recruiting classes blow ass.
So while trying to explain to us that he wasn't the miserable sonofabitch the last five years that his posts conveys, Dax tells us what he DIDN'T like, literally didn't list one good thing in now three post defending the fact that he hated everything and everyone.
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I'm happy for the team and for EMAW fans for what happened under Frank. Very happy. It was fun. You can acknowledge that and also acknowledge that Frank is an egotistical dork, and also that our current coach sucks. I'm also happy to discuss lots of other basketball topics not having to do with our current coach, and I want to see our current players succeed. But thanks for the tips on my mental health, MiR. May I suggest anger management on your end?
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I'm happy for the team and for EMAW fans for what happened under Frank. Very happy. It was fun. You can acknowledge that and also acknowledge that Frank is an egotistical dork, and also that our current coach sucks. I'm also happy to discuss lots of other basketball topics not having to do with our current coach, and I want to see our current players succeed. But thanks for the tips on my mental health, MiR. May I suggest anger management on your end?
anger management, for an observation :confused: pretty weird 42
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Yeah, everyone and everything, how do you even respond to that? Didn't I respond once already, and my last post wasn't even responding to you.
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Loved Frank and all of his ridiculous quirks. He's gone, I'm thankful for his time, but no reason not to make fun of some/much of his ridiculousness now that he's no longer here. He really did/said a lot of things that you only enjoy as a fan if he's your coach; though I'm sure that's true for many coach behaviors. I'm really anxious to see if he can make it work again at SC, if he does and has long term success I will a) respect him for his abilities, but b) continue to make fun of him because he's no longer ours.
And I understand why people hate oscar.
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Loved Frank and all of his ridiculous quirks. He's gone, I'm thankful for his time, but no reason not to make fun of some/much of his ridiculousness now that he's no longer here. He really did/said a lot of things that you only enjoy as a fan if he's your coach; though I'm sure that's true for many coach behaviors. I'm really anxious to see if he can make it work again at SC, if he does and has long term success I will a) respect him for his abilities, but b) continue to make fun of him because he's no longer ours.
And I understand why people hate oscar.
I'm down with this.
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“Rodney is a smarter player now,” sophomore guard Nino Williams said. “With Frank he scored the ball, but he scored in trashy ways. Coach Weber has got him making better decisions.”
he scored in trashy ways
http://www.kansas.com/2012/10/17/2535909/k-states-mcgruder-eager-for-expanded.html
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Loved Frank and all of his ridiculous quirks. He's gone, I'm thankful for his time, but no reason not to make fun of some/much of his ridiculousness now that he's no longer here. He really did/said a lot of things that you only enjoy as a fan if he's your coach; though I'm sure that's true for many coach behaviors. I'm really anxious to see if he can make it work again at SC, if he does and has long term success I will a) respect him for his abilities, but b) continue to make fun of him because he's no longer ours.
And I understand why people hate oscar.
I'm down with this.
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Except his jorts and sloppy body shape were rough ridin' embarrassments, not fun quirky behavior.
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Jfc nino.
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nino reminds me of the shitty chiefs defensive players after Greg Robinson got canned that were all like "yeah, greg robinson was the reason we sucked" and then the next year they still sucked.
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Loved Frank and all of his ridiculous quirks. He's gone, I'm thankful for his time, but no reason not to make fun of some/much of his ridiculousness now that he's no longer here. He really did/said a lot of things that you only enjoy as a fan if he's your coach; though I'm sure that's true for many coach behaviors. I'm really anxious to see if he can make it work again at SC, if he does and has long term success I will a) respect him for his abilities, but b) continue to make fun of him because he's no longer ours.
And I understand why people hate oscar.
I'm down with this.
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Except his jorts and sloppy body shape were rough ridin' embarrassments, not fun quirky behavior.
everything about him was embarrassing. everything.
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He was abusive. But when you're winning, who cares, right?
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He was abusive. But when you're winning, who cares, right?
Exactly. Of course, all college coaches are abusive.
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He was abusive. But when you're winning, who cares, right?
Exactly. Of course, all college coaches are abusive.
If so, they are to different degrees and he was very near the top of the scale by today's standards. It went beyond embarrassing to being uncomfortable/morally questionable/impermissible workplace behavior stuff. The type of stuff that coaches have been fired over lately.
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He was abusive. But when you're winning, who cares, right?
Exactly. Of course, all college coaches are abusive.
If so, they are to different degrees and he was very near the top of the scale by today's standards. It went beyond embarrassing to being uncomfortable/morally questionable/impermissible workplace behavior stuff. The type of stuff that coaches have been fired over lately.
He was a showman, but I really don't think anything he said or did was actually worse than most coaches. It was more embarrassing because he didn't try to hide it, but all coaches pull the crap he pulled.
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He was abusive. But when you're winning, who cares, right?
Exactly. Of course, all college coaches are abusive.
If so, they are to different degrees and he was very near the top of the scale by today's standards. It went beyond embarrassing to being uncomfortable/morally questionable/impermissible workplace behavior stuff. The type of stuff that coaches have been fired over lately.
He was a showman, but I really don't think anything he said or did was actually worse than most coaches. It was more embarrassing because he didn't try to hide it, but all coaches pull the crap he pulled.
I don't expect hardly anyone to acknowledge it when their personal happiness is at stake, but that's not even a very good rationalization.
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He was abusive. But when you're winning, who cares, right?
Exactly. Of course, all college coaches are abusive.
If so, they are to different degrees and he was very near the top of the scale by today's standards. It went beyond embarrassing to being uncomfortable/morally questionable/impermissible workplace behavior stuff. The type of stuff that coaches have been fired over lately.
He was a showman, but I really don't think anything he said or did was actually worse than most coaches. It was more embarrassing because he didn't try to hide it, but all coaches pull the crap he pulled.
I don't expect hardly anyone to acknowledge it when their personal happiness is at stake, but that's not even a very good rationalization.
:thumbs:
When you put it that way, I guess you and I are both just drawing thin and grey right/wrong lines in slightly different places for our own personal happiness.
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He was abusive. But when you're winning, who cares, right?
Exactly. Of course, all college coaches are abusive.
If so, they are to different degrees and he was very near the top of the scale by today's standards. It went beyond embarrassing to being uncomfortable/morally questionable/impermissible workplace behavior stuff. The type of stuff that coaches have been fired over lately.
He was a showman, but I really don't think anything he said or did was actually worse than most coaches. It was more embarrassing because he didn't try to hide it, but all coaches pull the crap he pulled.
I don't expect hardly anyone to acknowledge it when their personal happiness is at stake, but that's not even a very good rationalization.
:thumbs:
When you put it that way, I guess you and I are both just drawing thin and grey right/wrong lines in slightly different places for our own personal happiness.
Martin's toned down behavior was discussed here. Bo Pelini is another example of a guy who has toned down his behavior. The only reason that sort of thing happens is when you've had to have a discussion about it with your boss. If you don't change your behavior when your boss tells you to, you get fired. The line between getting fired and not getting fired over appropriate behavior is not gray. And it not one most coaches ever come near.
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He was abusive. But when you're winning, who cares, right?
Exactly. Of course, all college coaches are abusive.
If so, they are to different degrees and he was very near the top of the scale by today's standards. It went beyond embarrassing to being uncomfortable/morally questionable/impermissible workplace behavior stuff. The type of stuff that coaches have been fired over lately.
He was a showman, but I really don't think anything he said or did was actually worse than most coaches. It was more embarrassing because he didn't try to hide it, but all coaches pull the crap he pulled.
I don't expect hardly anyone to acknowledge it when their personal happiness is at stake, but that's not even a very good rationalization.
:thumbs:
When you put it that way, I guess you and I are both just drawing thin and grey right/wrong lines in slightly different places for our own personal happiness.
Martin's toned down behavior was discussed here. Bo Pelini is another example of a guy who has toned down his behavior. The only reason that sort of thing happens is when you've had to have a discussion about it with your boss. If you don't change your behavior when your boss tells you to, you get fired. The line between getting fired and not getting fired over appropriate behavior is not gray. And it not one most coaches ever come near.
You think Frank changed his behavior? OKAY.
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The college coaching rankings are filled with prima donna's . . . Frank fell into the worst kind. The over the top, irrational, enraged, ultra paranoid prima donna whose reputation (well earned I might add) as such had proceeded him into the recruiting market place and was on display early and often for all the world to see.
Bill Self (for example) is a pain in the ass prima donna, who can be and often is a total bad person too his players . . . during practice, and behind closed doors, and on occasion on the bench . . . albeit most of the time it is because they did make a real mistake and didn't just breath in and out wrong or stand on the wrong spot on the floor for .6 seconds (like with Frank). Self by all accounts can turn on (and turn off) the complete bad person switch at the drop of a hat. But unlike Frank, he's smoother, more comfortable in his own skin and from the beginning of his career until now, vastly more successful.
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[Nevermind. I'm staying out of this.]
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He was abusive. But when you're winning, who cares, right?
Exactly. Of course, all college coaches are abusive.
If so, they are to different degrees and he was very near the top of the scale by today's standards. It went beyond embarrassing to being uncomfortable/morally questionable/impermissible workplace behavior stuff. The type of stuff that coaches have been fired over lately.
He was a showman, but I really don't think anything he said or did was actually worse than most coaches. It was more embarrassing because he didn't try to hide it, but all coaches pull the crap he pulled.
Including oscar!
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Multiple players mentioned that Weber is putting more of an early emphasis on offense, while Martin's focus was more at the defensive end, plus there has been a host of new "how to" teaching assignments.
"We're getting some of them to break some habits that they've had for three years," said Weber. "They're not bad habits, but different habits. That includes how you help on defense, where you help, and how you deny and how you defend screens. We just do it differently. They were successful with how they did things, but we do it another way."
Weber added, "There's a saying that it takes 29 days to create a habit, well, we're trying to break some three-year-old habits in a short amount of time."
To be honest, most coaches aren't successful at making both teams play like garbage and somehow coming out on top. During the Frank years we had no offense except to stand around and watch Beasley/Pullen/Clemente 1v5 the other team. I think he was right to go in a different direction here.
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We were much more complicated offensively than you give us credit for.
Also, Senior Bread, board expert on all things oscar as well as all things requiring judgment on appearance, has said more than once that oscar's offense is motion without direction. Movement for movement's sake, and that he will then toss players under the buss for not doing something out of that chaos.
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Also, Senior Bread, board expert on all things oscar as well as all things requiring judgment on appearance, has said more than once that oscar's offense is motion without direction. Movement for movement's sake, and that he will then toss players under the buss for not doing something out of that chaos.
so he's like a bad dick bennett or bob knight?
edit: for those who don't know, dick bennett was the LHC Bill Snyder of wisconsin basketball
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He was abusive. But when you're winning, who cares, right?
Exactly. Of course, all college coaches are abusive.
If so, they are to different degrees and he was very near the top of the scale by today's standards. It went beyond embarrassing to being uncomfortable/morally questionable/impermissible workplace behavior stuff. The type of stuff that coaches have been fired over lately.
He was a showman, but I really don't think anything he said or did was actually worse than most coaches. It was more embarrassing because he didn't try to hide it, but all coaches pull the crap he pulled.
I don't expect hardly anyone to acknowledge it when their personal happiness is at stake, but that's not even a very good rationalization.
:thumbs:
When you put it that way, I guess you and I are both just drawing thin and grey right/wrong lines in slightly different places for our own personal happiness.
Martin's toned down behavior was discussed here. Bo Pelini is another example of a guy who has toned down his behavior. The only reason that sort of thing happens is when you've had to have a discussion about it with your boss. If you don't change your behavior when your boss tells you to, you get fired. The line between getting fired and not getting fired over appropriate behavior is not gray. And it not one most coaches ever come near.
You think Frank changed his behavior? OKAY.
Not just me. There were a couple of threads about it. One worried about the prospects of success for "new Frank" in last year's tournament.
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Honestly, though, if someone can't look at Martin's behavior and see a whole lot of Mark Mangino and very little Turner Gill, there's not much to discuss here.
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We were much more complicated offensively than you give us credit for.
Also, Senior Bread, board expert on all things oscar as well as all things requiring judgment on appearance, has said more than once that oscar's offense is motion without direction. Movement for movement's sake, and that he will then toss players under the buss for not doing something out of that chaos.
This is true. The only group that "got it" was exceptionally talented in their own right. Probably would have "gotten" a lot of offensive systems. After Deron and Luther left it was all downhill and remained that way. Initially it was blamed on missing out on top recruits, then Weber landed several classes of highly rated kids and it was blamed on not recruiting players that fit his system and then he got fired. It typically devolves into listless running around and a bad shot at the end of the clock. And low scoring games. As bad as the mediocre win-loss results were, the ugly ass basketball is pretty tough to stomach after a while. So not only are you pissed because you're not winning and because oscar is a rough ridin' doofus, but then the media routinely takes shots at the team for "setting basketball back _______ years." Woof.
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He was abusive. But when you're winning, who cares, right?
Exactly. Of course, all college coaches are abusive.
If so, they are to different degrees and he was very near the top of the scale by today's standards. It went beyond embarrassing to being uncomfortable/morally questionable/impermissible workplace behavior stuff. The type of stuff that coaches have been fired over lately.
He was a showman, but I really don't think anything he said or did was actually worse than most coaches. It was more embarrassing because he didn't try to hide it, but all coaches pull the crap he pulled.
Including oscar!
:babywillie: Hi, 'clams.
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DNR this whole thread, but what a trainwreck of a sentence:
But Spradling enjoyed the experience all the same. Not just because the new offense built up his endurance, allows players more freedom and he thinks the Wildcats are close to mastering it, either.
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i'm not sure that the traditional motion offense has great potential in the 35 sec shot clock world. if you shoot enough 3s, perhaps, but i certainly don't think it offers you an advantage.
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i'm not sure that the traditional motion offense has great potential in the 35 sec shot clock world. if you shoot enough 3s, perhaps, but i certainly don't think it offers you an advantage.
Man, oscar is gonna shove your face right in that statement. Smoo-oosh. I hope you enjoy eating every single one of the words you typed. Table for one, sys? Yeah.
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i'm not sure that the traditional motion offense has great potential in the 35 sec shot clock world. if you shoot enough 3s, perhaps, but i certainly don't think it offers you an advantage.
this is not necessarily true. More important than jacking up 3's is having solid, HBBIQ big guys who can knock down open jumpers...as they will spend a lot of time not being in low post. This offense opens the post for all five players, so having guards/SF's that can play inside is important(i.e. Alando Tucker, Marcus Landry). *Wisconsin has had great success with the motion/swing offense for the last 15 years even though the only 5 star recruit they landed in that time was Brian Butch :lol:. So, the motion offense can be effective without top prospects if you recruit for it. I'm not saying oscar is any good or that the offense is right for this team. Motion offense is definitely very frustrating to watch at times, but it can be very effective with the right players/coach.
*Sorry to keep going back to Wisconsin, but that is were i grew up before coming to KSU.
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If I have to watch Wisconsin style BB, oscar will undue all that Frank has built.
Bo Ryan hates his uni. He has to hate it only slightly less than losing. I mean, sure he does alright in the tourney, but his fans have to suffer the absolute worst kind of BB known to man. Only someone who hates those fans would subject them to such a horribly boring crap show year after year.
Absolutely horrible.
Seriously, if this happens, life is going to be horrible.
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What's funny about Bo Ryan offense lovers is that his teams generally pass and dribble...errrr....run the offense until the end of the shot clock and end up having someone make a great one-on-one move to score. They aren't out there getting wide open layups all night - no one at this level does with any degree of consistency.
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What's funny about Bo Ryan offense lovers is that his teams generally pass and dribble...errrr....run the offense until the end of the shot clock and end up having someone make a great one-on-one move to score. They aren't out there getting wide open layups all night - no one at this level does with any degree of consistency.
they often end up getting a mismatch inside or an open jumper. this doesn't work 100% of possessions, in which case you have to force a shot, but they are generally one of the better teams in the nation as far as offensive efficiency goes.
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Just did a little research and turns out they are always in the top 3 in Boring Ratio as well as Unwatchability Efficiency.
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Just did a little research and turns out they are always in the top 3 in Boring Ratio as well as Unwatchability Efficiency.
lol this is true, but i like winning. maybe i just like motion/swing because i grew up watching it...i hated watching Frank offenses because of how sloppy and stagnant it always seemed to me, except in 09-10' when Pullen and Clemente were rediculous. i don't count 07-08 because that season was like having cheat codes.
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i like wiscy's swing and i like princeton o's. i don't have anything against motion offenses. in fact, like fuzzy, i grew up with them and basically think of them as the "right" way to play bball.
i'm just not sure 35 seconds is enough time for average skilled d1 players to break down average d1 defenses. for that matter, i'm not sure you typically get enough better a shot to compensate for the increased turnover risk of 30 seconds of passing.
ryan's teams never turn the ball over, that's why they're so efficient offensively. i'm don't think that is typical of motion offenses.
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Guys, I know a whole helluva a lot about the game of basketball. I'll share a little bit of what I know tomorrow or Sunday. Have a great weekend!
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if you like crap posting and stupid arguments then yes this will be a great basketball season for bbs'n
you know clams, kim, chum1, and dax will post nothing but stuff to bait people who liked frank
and sys and trim and mir will post stuff to bait people who like oscar
and sd and 42 will tuck their penises between their legs puff out their chests and stake out a "neutral" position
yawn
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Everyone is the best at something.
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Everyone is the best at something.
I am best at whining about stuff I find stupidly annoying and making stats no one cares about :gocho:
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Multiple players mentioned that Weber is putting more of an early emphasis on offense, while Martin's focus was more at the defensive end, plus there has been a host of new "how to" teaching assignments.
"We're getting some of them to break some habits that they've had for three years," said Weber. "They're not bad habits, but different habits. That includes how you help on defense, where you help, and how you deny and how you defend screens. We just do it differently. They were successful with how they did things, but we do it another way."
Weber added, "There's a saying that it takes 29 days to create a habit, well, we're trying to break some three-year-old habits in a short amount of time."
To be honest, most coaches aren't successful at making both teams play like garbage and somehow coming out on top. During the Frank years we had no offense except to stand around and watch Beasley/Hoskins/Pullen/Clemente 1v5 the other team.
Completely false, new guy. lbbiq noted
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if you like crap posting and stupid arguments then yes this will be a great basketball season for bbs'n
you know clams, kim, chum1, and dax will post nothing but stuff to bait people who liked frank
and sys and trim and mir will post stuff to bait people who like oscar
and sd and 42 will tuck their penises between their legs puff out their chests and stake out a "neutral" position
yawn
Replace me with rusty, I'm not baiting anything I just want to talk basketball. Completely disinterested in rehashing Frank vs. oscar over and over. I may bait posters who post good things about Doc though. Have I mentioned I hate him?
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i like wiscy's swing and i like princeton o's. i don't have anything against motion offenses. in fact, like fuzzy, i grew up with them and basically think of them as the "right" way to play bball.
i'm just not sure 35 seconds is enough time for average skilled d1 players to break down average d1 defenses. for that matter, i'm not sure you typically get enough better a shot to compensate for the increased turnover risk of 30 seconds of passing.
ryan's teams never turn the ball over, that's why they're so efficient offensively. i'm don't think that is typical of motion offenses.
I'd prefer we had the players to run dribble drive motion, but we don't. I don't love motion but I can tolerate it if the players have the freedom to create when the opportunity presents itself. I love pinch post, always have, I enjoy any offense that employs high low posts.
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Multiple players mentioned that Weber is putting more of an early emphasis on offense, while Martin's focus was more at the defensive end, plus there has been a host of new "how to" teaching assignments.
"We're getting some of them to break some habits that they've had for three years," said Weber. "They're not bad habits, but different habits. That includes how you help on defense, where you help, and how you deny and how you defend screens. We just do it differently. They were successful with how they did things, but we do it another way."
Weber added, "There's a saying that it takes 29 days to create a habit, well, we're trying to break some three-year-old habits in a short amount of time."
To be honest, most coaches aren't successful at making both teams play like garbage and somehow coming out on top. During the Frank years we had no offense except to stand around and watch Beasley/Hoskins/Pullen/Clemente 1v5 the other team.
Completely false, new guy. lbbiq noted
I really don't understand what Frank was trying to run on offense, please explain so I can raise my LBBIQ. Whatever the plan was, it didn't work. Our offense was bad 3 of the 5 years, and one of the good years was due to having one of the best Big12 players ever and a not-bad supporting cast.
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Multiple players mentioned that Weber is putting more of an early emphasis on offense, while Martin's focus was more at the defensive end, plus there has been a host of new "how to" teaching assignments.
"We're getting some of them to break some habits that they've had for three years," said Weber. "They're not bad habits, but different habits. That includes how you help on defense, where you help, and how you deny and how you defend screens. We just do it differently. They were successful with how they did things, but we do it another way."
Weber added, "There's a saying that it takes 29 days to create a habit, well, we're trying to break some three-year-old habits in a short amount of time."
To be honest, most coaches aren't successful at making both teams play like garbage and somehow coming out on top. During the Frank years we had no offense except to stand around and watch Beasley/Hoskins/Pullen/Clemente 1v5 the other team.
Completely false, new guy. lbbiq noted
I really don't understand what Frank was trying to run on offense, please explain so I can raise my LBBIQ. Whatever the plan was, it didn't work. Our offense was bad 3 of the 5 years, and one of the good years was due to having one of the best Big12 players ever and a not-bad supporting cast.
We ran iso sets a lot. Our offense was actually quite complex. Gottlieb mentioned our complex offense, and that was before we went to pinch post. Our offense was also broken down by Luke Winn, you can look it up on this site somewhere, I'm not doing the leg work to disprove your lazy and frankly tuckish assertion.
What little credibility you had you lost when you said we had bad offenses 3 of the 5 years. Using whatever objective statistical metric you want to use, we never had a bad offense. Those three years you are talking about our overall offensive numbers placed us in the middle of the conference and the upper third of all of D1, that's average at worst. If our offense was bad, what exactly would you call those Big 10 motion abortions?
Getting your basketball talking points from Bob Knight won't fly on this board.
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Multiple players mentioned that Weber is putting more of an early emphasis on offense, while Martin's focus was more at the defensive end, plus there has been a host of new "how to" teaching assignments.
"We're getting some of them to break some habits that they've had for three years," said Weber. "They're not bad habits, but different habits. That includes how you help on defense, where you help, and how you deny and how you defend screens. We just do it differently. They were successful with how they did things, but we do it another way."
Weber added, "There's a saying that it takes 29 days to create a habit, well, we're trying to break some three-year-old habits in a short amount of time."
To be honest, most coaches aren't successful at making both teams play like garbage and somehow coming out on top. During the Frank years we had no offense except to stand around and watch Beasley/Hoskins/Pullen/Clemente 1v5 the other team.
Completely false, new guy. lbbiq noted
I really don't understand what Frank was trying to run on offense, please explain so I can raise my LBBIQ. Whatever the plan was, it didn't work. Our offense was bad 3 of the 5 years, and one of the good years was due to having one of the best Big12 players ever and a not-bad supporting cast.
Here is how Frank's teams ranked in the Big 12 for offensive efficiency in conference games:
2008: 2nd
2009: 8th
2010: 5th
2011: 5th
2012: 6th
Weber in the Big 10 over the same period:
2008: 7th
2009: 10th
2010: 5th
2011: 4th
2012: 10th
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Multiple players mentioned that Weber is putting more of an early emphasis on offense, while Martin's focus was more at the defensive end, plus there has been a host of new "how to" teaching assignments.
"We're getting some of them to break some habits that they've had for three years," said Weber. "They're not bad habits, but different habits. That includes how you help on defense, where you help, and how you deny and how you defend screens. We just do it differently. They were successful with how they did things, but we do it another way."
Weber added, "There's a saying that it takes 29 days to create a habit, well, we're trying to break some three-year-old habits in a short amount of time."
To be honest, most coaches aren't successful at making both teams play like garbage and somehow coming out on top. During the Frank years we had no offense except to stand around and watch Beasley/Hoskins/Pullen/Clemente 1v5 the other team.
Completely false, new guy. lbbiq noted
I really don't understand what Frank was trying to run on offense, please explain so I can raise my LBBIQ. Whatever the plan was, it didn't work. Our offense was bad 3 of the 5 years, and one of the good years was due to having one of the best Big12 players ever and a not-bad supporting cast.
Here is how Frank's teams ranked in the Big 12 for offensive efficiency in conference games:
2008: 2nd
2009: 8th
2010: 5th
2011: 5th
2012: 6th
Weber in the Big 10 over the same period:
2008: 7th
2009: 10th
2010: 5th
2011: 4th
2012: 10th
Yeah, but...Webbs went to the NCAA Final Four and nearly won the thing in 2004. We got him now, bring on the titles! :dance:
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Multiple players mentioned that Weber is putting more of an early emphasis on offense, while Martin's focus was more at the defensive end, plus there has been a host of new "how to" teaching assignments.
"We're getting some of them to break some habits that they've had for three years," said Weber. "They're not bad habits, but different habits. That includes how you help on defense, where you help, and how you deny and how you defend screens. We just do it differently. They were successful with how they did things, but we do it another way."
Weber added, "There's a saying that it takes 29 days to create a habit, well, we're trying to break some three-year-old habits in a short amount of time."
To be honest, most coaches aren't successful at making both teams play like garbage and somehow coming out on top. During the Frank years we had no offense except to stand around and watch Beasley/Hoskins/Pullen/Clemente 1v5 the other team.
Completely false, new guy. lbbiq noted
I really don't understand what Frank was trying to run on offense, please explain so I can raise my LBBIQ. Whatever the plan was, it didn't work. Our offense was bad 3 of the 5 years, and one of the good years was due to having one of the best Big12 players ever and a not-bad supporting cast.
We ran iso sets a lot. Our offense was actually quite complex. Gottlieb mentioned our complex offense, and that was before we went to pinch post. Our offense was also broken down by Luke Winn, you can look it up on this site somewhere, I'm not doing the leg work to disprove your lazy and frankly tuckish assertion.
What little credibility you had you lost when you said we had bad offenses 3 of the 5 years. Using whatever objective statistical metric you want to use, we never had a bad offense. Those three years you are talking about our overall offensive numbers placed us in the middle of the conference and the upper third of all of D1, that's average at worst. If our offense was bad, what exactly would you call those Big 10 motion abortions?
Getting your basketball talking points from Bob Knight won't fly on this board.
ok i will find the Gottlieb thing. Pretty sure i mentioned running isolation before, although somewhat derisively. By 'bad' i mean not close to top 25, which i think should be the goal. The majority of D1 basketball teams are not competitive, so being in the upper third of all 347 team is not close to good, imo.
I'm sure you guys know all these stats already but it was a good read for me:
http://www.bloguin.com/runthefloor/2012-articles/march/evaluating-oscar-weber-to-kansas-state.html
Frank offense: Throw up the first available shot(although maybe Gottlieb can enlighten me) and get offensive rebound. Having a Michael Beasley or two very good guards(Pullen/Clemente) able to create their own looks makes that first shot percentage go way up, giving us an "elite" offense. Maybe his offense was really complex, but in the three years we didn't have Michael Beasley or two very good guards, the effectiveness of our offense was ranked 47-65(mediocre-bad). Free throw shooting was terrible all years, which is magnified when you are such a good rebounding team and shoot as many free throws as Frank teams do. Solid defense.
oscar offense: Numbers on offense looks pretty bad when he didn't have a team of all-americans. Nothing to say here. Solid defense and free throw shooting.
Final Over-Simplified Comparison
Frank: Rebounding and Pressure
oscar: Defense and Control
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Doing the same exercise for Frank's conference only defense:
2008: 2nd
2009: 6th
2010: 3rd
2011: 3rd
2012: 2nd
And for oscar:
2008: 5th
2009: 1st
2010: 6th
2011: 2nd
2012: 6th
I mean, I think fuzzy understands possession-free stats, but he just chooses to ignore them.
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Doing the same exercise for Frank's conference only defense:
2008: 2nd
2009: 6th
2010: 3rd
2011: 3rd
2012: 2nd
And for oscar:
2008: 5th
2009: 1st
2010: 6th
2011: 2nd
2012: 6th
I mean, I think fuzzy understands possession-free stats, but he just chooses to ignore them.
apples to oranges?
lets see,
i understand that it is good to use stats like points per possession instead of points per game when comparing two teams
because each game is made of a different number of possessions, but a possession is the same from game to game.
how am i doing? maybe you want me to take out the free-throw references? but they effect efficiency and i would imagine correlate strongly with coaching, so i think its ok to mention.
also, to elaborate on why I consider offenses ranked 47-65 to be bad, consider that there are only 74 power conference teams plus lets say 20 strong mid-majors. now, I haven't studied how kenpom adjusts offensive efficiency, so I'm not sure how many not-so-good teams from bad conferences have artificially high efficiency or how many ok teams from strong conferences have artificially low efficiency.* In any regard, even the best of those years puts our offense at a rank of 47. When only ~90-95 teams, and this is a generous estimate, can actually be considered relevant I would not consider that to be good.
* ok, its all here: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/help_with_team_page/ So unless I find some big opponent-bias hidden in the adjusted efficiency, I see no problem with reducing the field to ~90-95.
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If our offense was bad, what exactly would you call those Big 10 motion abortions?
Since you asked, here's the adjusted efficiency rank(kenpom) for the last 10 years of the Big 10 motion abortion school i'm most familiar with:
2012: 18,
2011: 2
2010: 17
2009: 36
2008: 28
2007: 26
2006: 46
2005: 30
2004: 13
2003: 20
By my standards, 2006 was the only mediocre-to-bad season they had. 2009 was ok. the rest were good to very good.
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I didn't read any of the first 15 pages, because I'm 100% sure they are as worthless as 99% of the coal aggie thread. Good work stupids.
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I'll tuck your penis chings you rough ridin' bad person!
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If our offense was bad, what exactly would you call those Big 10 motion abortions?
Since you asked, here's the adjusted efficiency rank(kenpom) for the last 10 years of the Big 10 motion abortion school i'm most familiar with:
2012: 18,
2011: 2
2010: 17
2009: 36
2008: 28
2007: 26
2006: 46
2005: 30
2004: 13
2003: 20
By my standards, 2006 was the only mediocre-to-bad season they had. 2009 was ok. the rest were good to very good.
Intellectual dishonesty. We all know full well that Wisconsin is far and away the Big 10s most efficient offense, they are an anomaly and certainly you knew I was excluding them from any slam on Big 10 offenses, even though Wisconsin is also painful to watch.
Calling any offense not around the top 25 bad is ridiculous. Top 40 offenses are elite offenses, you don't drop off from elite to bad. K-State never had a bad offense under Frank Martin.
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yeah, anytime someone brings up wisconsin in a comparison I immediately discount whatever it is they are saying. weird outlier program.
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for another Big 10 motion abortion success story, lets look at Beilein's success at Couch Burn U and more recently at UM. this style is actually pretty different from Bucky, and I would say one of the most deeply pleasurable motion offenses to watch. It also features a lot of players wearing t-shirts, which suits Spradling perfectly.
adjusted off eff. (kenpom)
MU Years:
2012: 22
2011: 31
2010: 94
2009: 44
2008: 148
Couch Burning Years
2007: 13
2006: 12
2005: 18
2004: 82
2003: 139
At both schools he took over very bad offensive teams, had a brief stop in we're-not-terrible-anymore-but-we-aren't-good-either land, and finally progressed to being a very good offensive team from year to year.
This doesn't mean oscar is a good coach because he tries to be like Bo and Beilein, but it does show that motion offenses can be consistently good even with recruiting classes that are nothing to write home about. Where we draw the bad-good line is ultimately arbitrary and you seem pretty set on Frank-as-infallible-offensive-mastermind, so not much point arguing here.
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if you like crap posting and stupid arguments then yes this will be a great basketball season for bbs'n
you know clams, kim, chum1, and dax will post nothing but stuff to bait people who liked frank
and sys and trim and mir will post stuff to bait people who like oscar
and sd and 42 will tuck their penises between their legs puff out their chests and stake out a "neutral" position
yawn
I'll have you know that Tommy Tuberville is a punk-ass bitch.
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if you like crap posting and stupid arguments then yes this will be a great basketball season for bbs'n
you know clams, kim, chum1, and dax will post nothing but stuff to bait people who liked frank
and sys and trim and mir will post stuff to bait people who like oscar
and sd and 42 will tuck their penises between their legs puff out their chests and stake out a "neutral" position
yawn
I'll have you know that Tommy Tuberville is a punk-ass bitch.
good to see you at least have a position on something
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if you like crap posting and stupid arguments then yes this will be a great basketball season for bbs'n
you know clams, kim, chum1, and dax will post nothing but stuff to bait people who liked frank
and sys and trim and mir will post stuff to bait people who like oscar
and sd and 42 will tuck their penises between their legs puff out their chests and stake out a "neutral" position
yawn
I'll have you know that Tommy Tuberville is a punk-ass bitch.
good to see you at least have a position on something
Your malicious attempts to force good hard-working emaw posters into a dichotomy when multiple shades of gray persist shows your narrow-mindedness.
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Now I'm really confused about what a "tuck" is.
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it's hard to tuck in your penis when you hate everything/everyone involved (except the players and Chet and AB3). Hatred involves boldness.
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it's hard to tuck in your penis when you hate everything/everyone involved (except the players and Chet). Hatred involves boldness.
AB3 doesn't deserve your hate, friend.
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the list can be fluid.
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This is the best new thread in awhile. Love it.
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This is the best new thread in awhile. Love it.
if only we could get some discussion on the difference of the work at the pivot we should expect this season
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On his play, Williams said, "I played more relaxed. Coach Weber just lets us play. I think everybody is more relaxed in this system and I think everybody trusts each other, which we didn't have last year."
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Not that it matters, but I honestly had no idea how much all of the players hated Frank's guts.
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Not that it matters, but I honestly had no idea how much all of the players hated Frank's guts.
Two.
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More than two.
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More than two.
:lol:
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Not that it matters, but I honestly had no idea how much all of the players hated Frank's guts.
Two.
If I was a Frank Nazi, I would embrace the fact that they all hated his guts. That's true of some of the greatest coaches. Besides, there's really no upside to looking like one who thinks it's important that the coach is a swell guy, loved by everyone.
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Not that it matters, but I honestly had no idea how much all of the players hated Frank's guts.
Two.
If I was a Frank Nazi, I would embrace the fact that they all hated his guts. That's true of some of the greatest coaches. Besides, there's really no upside to looking like one who thinks it's important that the coach is a swell guy, loved by everyone.
Good point. I'm sure they all hated is guts at times or to an extent. Only 2 saw it as an issue relative to playing basketball at K-State.
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i care a little bit what williams thinks, but doc's hatred is a ringing endorsement.
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mokans
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I enjoy Nino blaming his horribleness on everyone but himself. Great job against D2 Washburn, Nino.
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Not that it matters, but I honestly had no idea how much all of the players hated Frank's guts.
Two.
Nino told my friend the "8 were going to walk" story a few weeks ago. Now, Nino may be a lying FP, or some of those 8 may not have "hated" Frank, but I'm more disposed to believe it now than I was before. :dunno:
If it's true, then this team better play its ass off for oscar, because they got what they evidently wanted.
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Now, Nino may be a lying FP
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My first roomie at KSU was a guy that never planned or executed anything very well. He always thought it was someone else's fault when he failed.
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Not that it matters, but I honestly had no idea how much all of the players hated Frank's guts.
Two.
Nino told my friend the "8 were going to walk" story a few weeks ago. Now, Nino may be a lying FP, or some of those 8 may not have "hated" Frank, but I'm more disposed to believe it now than I was before. :dunno:
If it's true, then this team better play its ass off for oscar, because they got what they evidently wanted.
Rod was going to transfer to Maryland, sit out a season, and play one year.
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FP, TC, etc.
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wow, what a conundrum it was that frank found himself in.
stuck between a team of players and a boss that both hated him. he certainly carries no blame and was the victim here. i hope everyone realizes that.
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Frank's rep in the AAU community was like the Norovirus on a cruise ship, it had spread way beyond Mo-Kan, and no amount of denial and whining is going to change that reality.
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Frank's rep in the AAU community was like the Norovirus on a cruise ship, it had spread way beyond Mo-Kan, and no amount of denial and whining is going to change that reality.
You should write a goEMAW blog about it and name names and facts and stuff.
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Frank's rep in the AAU community was like the Norovirus on a cruise ship, it had spread way beyond Mo-Kan, and no amount of denial and whining is going to change that reality.
You should write a goEMAW blog about it and name names and facts and stuff.
Yes. YES. Would be incredible.
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Frank's rep in the AAU community was like the Norovirus on a cruise ship, it had spread way beyond Mo-Kan, and no amount of denial and whining is going to change that reality.
You should write a goEMAW blog about it and name names and facts and stuff.
yes! i want specifics from within the AAU community that are "way beyond Mo-Kan". thanks dax!
also, it appears like a change of scenary worked wonders for him because he's already got a couple of 4* guys at sc. maybe everyone on the cruise ship was vaccinated? :dunno:
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wait. i may have got that analogy wrong. was frank also one of the passengers on the cruise ship too or were just aau coaches and players passengers? also, who was spradlings dad? the captain? dax please help.
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"way beyond Mo-Kan"
I don't think PNR (or whatver they are called now) should count
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Didn't pick up on it before, but "cruise ship" is a funny analogy, given the circumstances.
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nevermind. frank was/is the travel agent i think. i get it now.
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Didn't pick up on it before, but "cruise ship" is a funny analogy, given the circumstances.
:thumbs:
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Look at you guys, all reactive and everything.
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Look at you guys, all reactive and everything.
look at dax, all cryptic and what not.
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Frank's rep in the AAU community was like the Norovirus on a cruise ship, it had spread way beyond Mo-Kan, and no amount of denial and whining is going to change that reality.
:blah: yo lyin ass
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dax is ITK.
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dax is ITK.
he's not even a townie, kim.
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dax is ITK.
he's not even a townie, kim.
but I bet Belvis can supply an independent confirmation