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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on September 02, 2012, 07:52:40 AM
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against an FCS opponent who dropped back to pass 51 times, and who rushed another 26 times.
Now, for some of you, try to avoid allowing your inner Wabash from coming out, and explain this.
I know they had a lot of quick hit passes. But their starter still averaged 11 yards per completion, and their back up averaged 16.5 yards per completion.
Their leading rusher averaged 5.8 yards per carry.
Come on now, I don't care if it was a typical LHC Bill Snyder first game, or we were "vanilla" as some like to claim. But a 22nd ranked FBS opponent playing at home against a team coached by Terry Allen shouldn't go an entire game with no sacks, and only 2 TFL's, while allowing a starting FCS running back to average nearly 6 yards a carry.
That's just not very good.
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Yep, completely agree. Defense is a huge problem right now. That's what we get for hiring a re-tread like Hayes to run it.
No sacks is just plain embarrassing, especially considering the hope I had for Meshak and Adam. Then Chapman getting abused through out the game, ugh.
I expect the defense to improve, but not sure how much it really can.
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Another game of being completely stone walled up front.
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dax, you have to realize we replaced a defensive genius (Billy Cosh's dad) with some old guy. Big shoes to fill, it will probably take a couple games to "click".
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I heard that LHCBS talked about the shitty defense in postgame presser. Probably should have thought about the shitty defense 8 months ago when he hired Retread McGee.
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Some nights your waitstaff, cooks, and bus boys come together and work as a team, and some nights there's a wait at the door and you have 2 empty, clean tables, 2 empty, dirty tables, and people are complaining about waiting on their food. Our DC knows how to handle these situations. Maybe he can apply his lessons learned from Tanners to a FB defense. :dunno:
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Recruiting.
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The defensive line has been and will be the biggest concern for this team.
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I agree, but I think the secondary should take a good share of the blame. 3 step drops all day out of the gun and many times there was a man coming into the pocket, but routes were not disrupted, guys ran free after the catch for yards and the tackling was poor.
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We rarely blitzed and of the times we did they only completed a pass once.
It wasn't that bad. Chapman playing 20 yards off his receiver was bad though.
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The D-Line is pretty bad, but I'm more concerned with how horrible the secondary appears to be. Chapman was straight up abused the entire game and in general this is an extremely overmatched unit that is going to get destroyed in Big XII play against legit passing offenses.
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The D-Line is pretty bad, but I'm more concerned with how horrible the secondary appears to be. Chapman was straight up abused the entire game and in general this is an extremely overmatched unit that is going to get destroyed in Big XII play against legit passing offenses.
it should pretty much be the same as last year. same personnel minus garrett who was average in coverage.
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Some nights your waitstaff, cooks, and bus boys come together and work as a team, and some nights there's a wait at the door and you have 2 empty, clean tables, 2 empty, dirty tables, and people are complaining about waiting on their food. Our DC knows how to handle these situations. Maybe he can apply his lessons learned from Tanners to a FB defense. :dunno:
If the K-State defense was a Tanner's restaurant, what would the secondary be?
GU, fry cook?
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d-line has always been a concern for me for this season. no sacks last night is a very bad sign.
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I'm going to use the vanilla schemes excuse because we can for this game. Suggest you do the same dax, and try to be happy this week.
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I guess the good news is that Miami will find a lot of success running on us, so our secondary might not get abused so badly.
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We rarely blitzed and of the times we did they only completed a pass once.
It wasn't that bad. Chapman playing 20 yards off his receiver was bad though.
:confused: :confused:
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i thought ian seau was supposed to be good
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The secondary gets a pass from me on coverage...not on their shitty tackling. I feel like the entire scheme of the defense is the keep the play in front of you, that's why we let teams abuse us over the middle and in the first 20 yards on outside. Seems like a terrible rough ridin' plan to me, but wtf do I know.
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meh. We were saying the exact same thing after Eastern Kentucky. We ended up being ok.
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I heard that LHCBS talked about the shitty defense in postgame presser. Probably should have thought about the shitty defense 8 months ago when he hired Retread McGee.
To be fair, didn't Snyder try to hire Leavitt but Currie vetoed the hire?
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I heard that LHCBS talked about the shitty defense in postgame presser. Probably should have thought about the shitty defense 8 months ago when he hired Retread McGee.
To be fair, didn't Snyder try to hire Leavitt but Currie vetoed the hire?
Unless leavitt had some stud d tackles in tow I'm not sure it would have mattered
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meh. We were saying the exact same thing after Eastern Kentucky. We ended up being ok.
Our defense was very good in last years non-con, Ranked first in the country after the first 2 games.
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:foottappingguy: Maybe it could be a part of Nancy Negs......
Or are those just for basketball
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:foottappingguy: Maybe it could be a part of Nancy Negs......
Or are those just for basketball
Tortuga had to DJamer a baptism this morning. And he's gotta move some stuff to a storage locker. Check back in 4 weeks.
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:foottappingguy: Maybe it could be a part of Nancy Negs......
Or are those just for basketball
I could probably do one, but I didn't chart the game or anything or pay much attention for that matter.
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I heard that LHCBS talked about the shitty defense in postgame presser. Probably should have thought about the shitty defense 8 months ago when he hired Retread McGee.
To be fair, didn't Snyder try to hire Leavitt but Currie vetoed the hire?
Unless leavitt had some stud d tackles in tow I'm not sure it would have mattered
That's true, but I don't think he could have recruited any worse.
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I'm more concerned about Chapman not being a great corner and Zimmerman falling into the Watts/Tetuan lineage.
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The star of the secondary was Milo.
Called it.
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The star of the secondary was Milo.
Called it.
He looked good
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I think we're really going to miss Kibble and Guidry this year.
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against an FCS opponent who dropped back to pass 51 times, and who rushed another 26 times.
Now, for some of you, try to avoid allowing your inner Wabash from coming out, and explain this.
our "inner wabash"? What in the hell does that mean? Oh, I know what it means but if I don't dive off a cliff holding your hand will I be channeling this spirit?
I look at it more like this...we didn't have many TFLs last season and the run defense was sound. We faced a Mo. State offense that did return 4 offensive line starters and the TE. Last year they surrendered 2 sacks each to Oregon and Arkansas, both had very good pass rushers. The bears gave up 18 sacks in 11 games a year ago so not many got to their QB.
Now, I have bitched about our pass rush for several years. It is what it is and we need better pass rushers. But regardless of how good of pass rushers we have we would not have knocked their QB around much anyway.
I think we all know we need some better athletes along the DL and in the secondary (also part of the issue).
The lack of pass rush and TFLs would be part scheme, part their scheme, and part the lack of necessary athletes.
We know what we have so I really don't need to channel an inner wabash to draw that realization.
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Most sacks have a whole lot more to do with a QB holding onto the football too long than it does the quality of a team's pass rush. The number of pass attempts is pretty irrelevant, and I thought both MSU QB's did a pretty good job of getting rid of the ball quickly. That said, I would love to have better pass rushers.
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and Zimmerman falling into the Watts/Tetuan lineage.
I refuse to believe Ty will end up like those two... I refuse... it can't happen again. Tysyn broke that curse, two Y's wasn't great, and I didn't like him at times over the last few years, but he made an NFL squad. Granted the Chiefs are a joke, but still. Ty is destined to be McGraw 2.0!
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Fair points made all around.
1st, we weren't completely vanilla defensively; we ran some stunts, played some different coverages, etc. However, we didn't really put in full prep or a complete game-plan for Mo State. We could've put in some things to take away their strengths, but we really didn't do that, we simply made due with what we have in, probably much of it prep for better opponents like Miami (and Miami runs a completely different scheme than Mo State). So I'm not super concerned with the coverages.
2nd, Mo State's offense did get the ball out quick. Its valid to say despite the number of pass attempts, its difficult to get sacks. Throw in we didn't really put in a bunch of coverages to defend against their strengths, and you aren't going to get coverage sacks.
All that said, its disappointing not only to not get sacks (or TFLs), but we also didn't get a lot of pressure/hits on the Mo State QBs. I don't think its a huge concern, but its valid to be a bit concerned by the defense in this game. The defensive line will be the key for this defense to be decent, or at least good enough to win. There is no reason to panic, but there is also no reason to believe this defense will be a lot better than last year. To equal last year's success on the field we probably need that to happen, and based on Mo State there is no reason to believe we're a lot better on defense at this point.
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and Zimmerman falling into the Watts/Tetuan lineage.
I refuse to believe Ty will end up like those two... I refuse... it can't happen again. Tysyn broke that curse, two Y's wasn't great, and I didn't like him at times over the last few years, but he made an NFL squad. Granted the Chiefs are a joke, but still. Ty is destined to be McGraw 2.0!
It's gonna happen, man. He already looks super slow and he's avoiding big hits.
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and Zimmerman falling into the Watts/Tetuan lineage.
I refuse to believe Ty will end up like those two... I refuse... it can't happen again. Tysyn broke that curse, two Y's wasn't great, and I didn't like him at times over the last few years, but he made an NFL squad. Granted the Chiefs are a joke, but still. Ty is destined to be McGraw 2.0!
It's gonna happen, man. He already looks super slow and he's avoiding big hits.
Wut?
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OT, but rumor has it that Terry Allen twisted off on LHCBS after the game. Can anyone confirm?
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OT, but rumor has it that Terry Allen twisted off on LHCBS after the game. Can anyone confirm?
he looked like he was trying to make out with his ear at midfield.
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I think Terry Allen has a lot of respect for LHC Bill Snyder and was just telling Coach how great the Cats looked in the second half.
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:lynchmob:
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clearly the mo state quick throws were the key. good pressure today. however our lack of secondary speed is evident when we don't get pressure.
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clearly the mo state quick throws were the key. good pressure today. however our lack of secondary speed is evident when we don't get pressure.
Slow secondary has been evident for many years in a row.
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and Zimmerman falling into the Watts/Tetuan lineage.
I refuse to believe Ty will end up like those two... I refuse... it can't happen again. Tysyn broke that curse, two Y's wasn't great, and I didn't like him at times over the last few years, but he made an NFL squad. Granted the Chiefs are a joke, but still. Ty is destined to be McGraw 2.0!
It's gonna happen, man. He already looks super slow and he's avoiding big hits.
Wut?
He pulled up on a couple opportunities to lay a guy out last week. Very 2y's esque.