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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: kim carnes on August 22, 2012, 10:10:35 PM
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this is a rough ridin' outrage. everyone knows it will have a huge effect on democratic voters and is completely unfair.
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republicans wasting hard earned tax dollars on a government boondoggle that's not needed. t's and p's
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republicans wasting hard earned tax dollars on a government boondoggle that's not needed. t's and p's
exactly. who in their right mind has some form of government ID? rough ridin' republicans, that's who.
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the government shouldn't know the id of all of its citizens. privacy and individual freedom from government tyranny, you know.
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this is bullshit.
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the government shouldn't know the id of all of its citizens.
hm...
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this is bullshit.
agreed, why are republicans spending us into deficit oblivion :curse:
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question: how the hell are democrats supposed to vote now?
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question: how the hell are democrats supposed to vote now?
they can't, nobody can get to the polls because we're all poor because the economy crashed because the republicans couldn't stop spending MY tax dollars.
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question: how the hell are democrats supposed to vote now?
they can't, nobody can get to the polls because we're all poor because the economy crashed because the republicans couldn't stop spending MY tax dollars.
yep, what kind of system is this when voters aren't even allowed to vote? (unless they have a government ID, in which case they can vote.)
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didn't you read anything i had to say, fake sugar carnes? the gubment went bankrupt because the republicans can't stop spending. we can't get any id's, now we can't vote. why do the republicans love government spending so much and the democrats hate the government and it's all the democrats' fault because they hate the government and now we can't vote because of them and now i'm counter-trolling my own counter-troll and oh eff we need to go deeper
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It's just too hard and inconvenient to get an ID.
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Would you get an ID if you didn't drive?
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If I needed one to vote I would.
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If I needed one to vote I would.
Why do you hate capitalism and love government so much, you wiener mouth?
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I havent had a form of ID in years and I get by just fine.
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I havent had a form of ID in years and I get by just fine.
Juggalos don't need id.
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Would you get an ID if you didn't drive?
Wouldn't you still need a passport?
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Would you get an ID if you didn't drive?
Wouldn't you still need a passport?
Only if you planned on traveling to other countries. I didn't have a passport until I was 21 or so.
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Would you get an ID if you didn't drive?
Wouldn't you still need a passport?
Only if you planned on traveling to other countries. I didn't have a passport until I was 21 or so.
no way!
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Who was it? Was it . . . Hillary that first started talking about a . . . National ID Card?
Man oh man, remember back in 2006 when theh (D)'s stormed Congress, they were gonna extract us from the wars, and "get" Big Oil, and huge budget deficits were going to end, and we were gonna start paying down the debt and the out-of-control spending was going to be halted on the spot?
Yeah . . . I remember.
Yeah, it was Hillary, National ID card.
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National ID cards in general would be a very Dem thing to do, except in election times when a tiny fraction of their voting base may have difficulty obtaining an ID, and it becomes a Repub thing to do.
Serious question, does it cost anything to get an ID? If it is the same $20 or whatever it is for a new DL, I can understand why someone who was worried about where their next meal was coming from wouldn't want to waste $20 on an ID.
Also, there isn't anyone that actually thinks that the people who couldn't be bothered to get an ID are going out and committing tons of voter fraud, right? They are worried about political groups taking advantage of it and influencing close elections, right?
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Could you imagine a National ID card that wouldn't need to be shown to vote?
Man oh man . . . you'd need it to do pretty much everything else, but not vote. :lol: (hey that sounds a lot like life today . . . except to vote)
I mean really :lol:
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Why would Republicans waste their effort with something like this when they can always resort to some good old fashioned voter intimidation like Florida in 2000? :jerk:
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Why would Republicans waste their effort with something like this when they can always resort to some good old fashioned voter intimidation like Florida in 2000? :jerk:
Somebody has to battle all the Zombies that vote (D)
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National ID cards in general would be a very Dem thing to do, except in election times when a tiny fraction of their voting base may have difficulty obtaining an ID, and it becomes a Repub thing to do.
Serious question, does it cost anything to get an ID? If it is the same $20 or whatever it is for a new DL, I can understand why someone who was worried about where their next meal was coming from wouldn't want to waste $20 on an ID.
Also, there isn't anyone that actually thinks that the people who couldn't be bothered to get an ID are going out and committing tons of voter fraud, right? They are worried about political groups taking advantage of it and influencing close elections, right?
It costs $26 for an ID in California. I think my DL was $32 or something.
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National ID cards in general would be a very Dem thing to do, except in election times when a tiny fraction of their voting base may have difficulty obtaining an ID, and it becomes a Repub thing to do.
Serious question, does it cost anything to get an ID? If it is the same $20 or whatever it is for a new DL, I can understand why someone who was worried about where their next meal was coming from wouldn't want to waste $20 on an ID.
Also, there isn't anyone that actually thinks that the people who couldn't be bothered to get an ID are going out and committing tons of voter fraud, right? They are worried about political groups taking advantage of it and influencing close elections, right?
It costs $26 for an ID in California. I think my DL was $32 or something.
We aren't talking about driver's license, these would be free picture ID cards. The laws in the few states that have voter ID requirements offer them for free.
I was in Florida in July and there was a lawsuit in progress regarding the voter ID law, and the judge asked the ACLU (or whoever was fighting it) to produce 1 person that was unable to get an ID, and they couldn't.
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If you don't have some form of government ID then odds are you're a worthless piece of crap individual who should not be voting on who should lead this country. What's funny is democrats are admitting that there are way more worthless democrats than republicans.
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ID is bull crap in my mind. No reason to have them.
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The current Sec. of State wanted a National ID card.
It's kind of sad that people don't understand what a Draconian, war loving person Hillary is, and that piece of work we've got in the UN would bomb everybody if she could.
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anyone who cares about either side of this debate should be ashamed of themselves.
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anyone who cares about either side of this debate should be ashamed of themselves.
I was going to say something similar, but this expresses it much better.
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anyone who cares about either side of this debate should be ashamed of themselves.
:thumbs:
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I havent had a form of ID in years and I get by just fine.
Are you super old?
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No, super old people need id so they can write checks duude.
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National ID cards in general would be a very Dem thing to do, except in election times when a tiny fraction of their voting base may have difficulty obtaining an ID, and it becomes a Repub thing to do.
Serious question, does it cost anything to get an ID? If it is the same $20 or whatever it is for a new DL, I can understand why someone who was worried about where their next meal was coming from wouldn't want to waste $20 on an ID.
Also, there isn't anyone that actually thinks that the people who couldn't be bothered to get an ID are going out and committing tons of voter fraud, right? They are worried about political groups taking advantage of it and influencing close elections, right?
Whats next, some rough ridin' federal govt issued 9 digit number we all have memorize for every bit of paperwork we ever fill out ever. No thx, I'm movin into a cave.
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Honest question, how do poor ass bums that can't vote buy liq and cigs with social security money without id?
Do community organizers still fill out absentee ballots to vote D for them?
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No, super old people need id so they can write checks duude.
Don't get carded I guess is what I was asking.
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I'm 33, I dont get carded very often but I did get carded last weekend at a liquor store.
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I'm 33, I dont get carded very often but I did get carded last weekend at a liquor store.
Grow a beard to put and end to that.
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Seems like I actually get carded more when I have facial hair and I can grow a mean beard... :dunno:
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anyone who cares about either side of this debate should be ashamed of themselves.
I was going to say something similar, but this expresses it much better.
It's one of the most patently cynical and meaningless things I've ever seen posted in the Pit. I can see why it resonates on goEMAW.
You basically have to be a thoughtless moron, incapable of critical thought, to read that statement, think it makes sense, then decide you agree with.
Frightening.
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anyone who cares about either side of this debate should be ashamed of themselves.
I was going to say something similar, but this expresses it much better.
It's one of the most patently cynical and meaningless things I've ever seen posted in the Pit. I can see why it resonates on goEMAW.
You basically have to be a thoughtless moron, incapable of critical thought, to read that statement, think it makes sense, then decide you agree with.
Frightening.
hey Fake, Hillary should be ashamed of herself! :lol: :eek: :lol:
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even though its obviously a racist ploy, i can see the appeal of limiting voting to people who give enough of a crap to go find an ID
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even though its obviously a racist ploy, i can see the appeal of limiting voting to people who give enough of a crap to go find an ID
they should also have to take literacy tests. Hell, just charge people 5 bucks at the door.
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even though its obviously a racist ploy, i can see the appeal of limiting voting to people who give enough of a crap to go find an ID
they should also have to take literacy tests. Hell, just charge people 5 bucks at the door.
Yeah, all good ideas mich
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biggest issue i have is that ID cards are not free and there are too many poor people who cant afford even $26 to get one. To say otherwise puts the people like fake, J Dougie on the same logic level as limo libs.
secondarily, the entire position is built on a counter factual bullshit position which ignores the fact you have to ID to register.
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If they mandated the ID cards, theyd have to subsidize them somehow. Hell, they had to basically buy everyone (who needed one) one of those digital tv box deals when they swapped over.
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biggest issue i have is that ID cards are not free and there are too many poor people who cant afford even $26 to get one. To say otherwise puts the people like fake, J Dougie on the same logic level as limo libs.
secondarily, the entire position is built on a counter factual bullshit position which ignores the fact you have to ID to register.
You don't need an ID to register to vote, in fact, it is illegal for them to ask for ID in some states like California. You can get free picture ID (non driver's license) from most or all states, and you can even use expired ID if it has your picture. Why do you not want to know who is voting? Because they aren't citizens, or so they can vote more than once, or maybe so they can vote as dead people?
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Kansas apparently is offering free photo id's and free birth certificates to obtain photo id's for people that don't have them. http://www.gotvoterid.com/valid-photo-ids.html#feewaver (http://www.gotvoterid.com/valid-photo-ids.html#feewaver)
I just find it hard to believe that voter fraud exists to the point that this is necessary though
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The question:
Why should voters NOT have to show identification when voting?
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The question:
Why should voters NOT have to show identification when voting?
Not all eligible voters have identification, and forcing them to purchase one places a cost on voting. Offering government subsidized identification for free is a huge waste of taxpayer money in a time when we are making cuts to already underfunded programs like education.
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It does kinda make sense for people to show ID before they vote. I mean, name something else that important that you can do without ID. I'm curious, has anyone seen any stats on how many people are without any form of ID?
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It does kinda make sense for people to show ID before they vote. I mean, name something else that important that you can do without ID. I'm curious, has anyone seen any stats on how many people are without any form of ID?
Yeah, the act of showing id doesn't really bother me at all. I just don't like throwing a bunch of government money at giving people free id's to fix a nonexistent voter fraud problem.
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The question:
Why should voters NOT have to show identification when voting?
It makes it more difficult for poor people to vote.
I think a good compromise would be to say that driver licenses or passports don't count as voter ID's, and make everyone go get their free ID if they want to vote. It's still easier for the rich, but it's closer to fair.
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The question:
Why should voters NOT have to show identification when voting?
It makes it more difficult for poor people to vote.
I think a good compromise would be to say that driver licenses or passports don't count as voter ID's, and make everyone go get their free ID if they want to vote. It's still easier for the rich, but it's closer to fair.
I think this is a great idea. Make it a Federal Voter Registration ID. No driver's licenses or any other kind of ID would be accepted. Free to everyone.
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oh, it's still a bad idea.
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It does kinda make sense for people to show ID before they vote. I mean, name something else that important that you can do without ID. I'm curious, has anyone seen any stats on how many people are without any form of ID?
probably somewhere around 11%
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/citizens_without_proof_stands_strong/ (http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/citizens_without_proof_stands_strong/)
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It does kinda make sense for people to show ID before they vote. I mean, name something else that important that you can do without ID. I'm curious, has anyone seen any stats on how many people are without any form of ID?
probably somewhere around 11%
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/citizens_without_proof_stands_strong/ (http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/citizens_without_proof_stands_strong/)
That study seems racist in that it breaks the numbers down to different races. I would like to see a study that breaks it down by political registration. Just don't understand why some people are so infatuated with skin color.
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It does kinda make sense for people to show ID before they vote. I mean, name something else that important that you can do without ID. I'm curious, has anyone seen any stats on how many people are without any form of ID?
probably somewhere around 11%
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/citizens_without_proof_stands_strong/ (http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/citizens_without_proof_stands_strong/)
That study seems racist in that it breaks the numbers down to different races. I would like to see a study that breaks it down by political registration. Just don't understand why some people are so infatuated with skin color.
Executive Summary
Ten states now have unprecedented restrictive voter ID laws. Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Wisconsin all require citizens to produce specific types of government-issued photo identification before they can cast a vote that will count. Legal precedent requires these states to provide free photo ID to eligible voters who do not have one.
Unfortunately, these free IDs are not equally accessible to all voters. This report is the first comprehensive assessment of the difficulties that eligible voters face in obtaining free photo ID.
The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:
Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.
More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.
1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.
Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.
More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. These voters may be particularly affected by the significant costs of the documentation required to obtain a photo ID. Birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20. By comparison, the notorious poll tax — outlawed during the civil rights era — cost $10.64 in current dollars.
The result is plain: Voter ID laws will make it harder for hundreds of thousands of poor Americans to vote. They place a serious burden on a core constitutional right that should be universally available to every American citizen.
This November, restrictive voter ID states will provide 127 electoral votes — nearly half of the 270 needed to win the presidency. Therefore, the ability of eligible citizens without photo ID to obtain one could have a major influence on the outcome of the 2012 election.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/the_challenge_of_obtaining_voter_identification/
You know I would have less of a problem with people like you if you dropped the shtick of trying to cloak yourself in the Constitution and true pursuit of the law and order and just say you don't want blacks in power. You are the same as the people in the South who set up the laws of Jim Crow. You pervert the law at all levels because you fear others and your place in the world.
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It does kinda make sense for people to show ID before they vote. I mean, name something else that important that you can do without ID. I'm curious, has anyone seen any stats on how many people are without any form of ID?
probably somewhere around 11%
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/citizens_without_proof_stands_strong/ (http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/citizens_without_proof_stands_strong/)
That study seems racist in that it breaks the numbers down to different races. I would like to see a study that breaks it down by political registration. Just don't understand why some people are so infatuated with skin color.
Executive Summary
Ten states now have unprecedented restrictive voter ID laws. Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Wisconsin all require citizens to produce specific types of government-issued photo identification before they can cast a vote that will count. Legal precedent requires these states to provide free photo ID to eligible voters who do not have one.
Unfortunately, these free IDs are not equally accessible to all voters. This report is the first comprehensive assessment of the difficulties that eligible voters face in obtaining free photo ID.
The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:
Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.
More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.
1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.
Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.
More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. These voters may be particularly affected by the significant costs of the documentation required to obtain a photo ID. Birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20. By comparison, the notorious poll tax — outlawed during the civil rights era — cost $10.64 in current dollars.
The result is plain: Voter ID laws will make it harder for hundreds of thousands of poor Americans to vote. They place a serious burden on a core constitutional right that should be universally available to every American citizen.
This November, restrictive voter ID states will provide 127 electoral votes — nearly half of the 270 needed to win the presidency. Therefore, the ability of eligible citizens without photo ID to obtain one could have a major influence on the outcome of the 2012 election.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/the_challenge_of_obtaining_voter_identification/
You know I would have less of a problem with people like you if you dropped the shtick of trying to cloak yourself in the Constitution and true pursuit of the law and order and just say you don't want blacks in power. You are the same as the people in the South who set up the laws of Jim Crow. You pervert the law at all levels because you fear others and your place in the world.
Don't be such a jackass. You're probably the type of person that breaks African Americans into sub-races depending on their political leanings. You probably think Allen West and Herman Cain aren't real black people, just too stupid to be democrats.
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Welp
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Why does the party of limited gov want to force everyone to carry an id?
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Why does the party of limited gov want to force everyone to carry an id?
to try and discourage poor people from voting. pretty savvy move.
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I get really leery anytime the federal government requires I submit to photographing and info gathering just to exercise a guaranteed right. This is new world order stuff.
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The question:
Why should voters NOT have to show identification when voting?
Not all eligible voters have identification, and forcing them to purchase one places a cost on voting. Offering government subsidized identification for free is a huge waste of taxpayer money in a time when we are making cuts to already underfunded programs like education.
No kidding. The cost of printing a card with someones picture on it must be cents, maybe even dollars. At a time when we can barely afford to pay for everyones healthcare this seems utterly absurd. It's not like voting is even one of those important rights, and its certainly not important enough to spend thousands of dollars on. Back when a few hundred chads hung loose in Florida, now that's when voting was important. So important it warranted placing a computerized voting machine in every precent in every town in every state in America.
We've been looking long and hard for voter fraud in this country and found none exists at all, zero. Its not worth spending thousands of big ones to protect the integrity of the worthless right to vote.
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The question:
Why should voters NOT have to show identification when voting?
Not all eligible voters have identification, and forcing them to purchase one places a cost on voting. Offering government subsidized identification for free is a huge waste of taxpayer money in a time when we are making cuts to already underfunded programs like education.
No kidding. The cost of printing a card with someones picture on it must be cents, maybe even dollars. At a time when we can barely afford to pay for everyones healthcare this seems utterly absurd. It's not like voting is even one of those important rights, and its certainly not important enough to spend thousands of dollars on. Back when a few hundred chads hung loose in Florida, now that's when voting was important. So important it warranted placing a computerized voting machine in every precent in every town in every state in America.
We've been looking long and hard for voter fraud in this country and found none exists at all, zero. Its not worth spending thousands of big ones to protect the integrity of the worthless right to vote.
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Your not creeped out by this? The gov requiring everyone report and be photo'd?
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Just to be clear, I dont give a eff if they require ID to vote or not. I just feel like the reasons to require one seem to be more compelling than the reasons to not. I just cant imagine what kind of people have no form of ID, other than homeless people and those here illegally. (Even the homeless still carry ID if they are receiving any form of govt assistance.) If a person can't even bother to obtain some form of ID, I dont see those people registering to vote in the first place, much less actually showing up to actually vote. Its not like this period of time is the only chance for these people to obtain an ID, they've had years to do something that every adult is supposed to do in the first place. Hell, this would be a great time for those people to obtain a free ID, seems like they would appreciate that. :dunno:
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Just to be clear, I dont give a eff if they require ID to vote or not. I just feel like the reasons to require one seem to be more compelling than the reasons to not. I just cant imagine what kind of people have no form of ID, other than homeless people and those here illegally. (Even the homeless still carry ID if they are receiving any form of govt assistance.) If a person can't even bother to obtain some form of ID, I dont see those people registering to vote in the first place, much less actually showing up to actually vote. Its not like this period of time is the only chance for these people to obtain an ID, they've had years to do something that every adult is supposed to do in the first place. Hell, this would be a great time for those people to obtain a free ID, seems like they would appreciate that. :dunno:
Is this in addition to the id I already have, or just a substitute if I don't have one already?
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crap, you just blew a major hole in my plan! :shakesfist:
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crap, you just blew a major hole in my plan! :shakesfist:
I was seriously asking. I agree you gotta show something to vote.
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I would assume a valid form of ID would still work but those without one could get some type of ID for free. Once again, I havent really delved very deep into this issue cause I dont really care all that much.
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I would assume a valid form of ID would still work but those without one could get some type of ID for free. Once again, I havent really delved very deep into this issue cause I dont really care all that much.
Well I'm fine with that. False alarm!
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I would assume a valid form of ID would still work but those without one could get some type of ID for free. Once again, I havent really delved very deep into this issue cause I dont really care all that much.
Pretty sure any picture id works. If your one of the hundreds of people wishing to vote but thus far have been too stupid/lazy/poor to bother getting one they are free.
Let's be real honest here, the outrage about these laws rests with a very small minority of libtards who have so little respect for the intelligence of the american public they thought they'd be able to turn something as common sense as showing your id to prove your identity into an issue about race. They were wrong and inadvertently outed as racists for their racist premise.
They're also irked its going to be harder for them to cheat.
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I would assume a valid form of ID would still work but those without one could get some type of ID for free. Once again, I havent really delved very deep into this issue cause I dont really care all that much.
Pretty sure any picture id works. If your one of the hundreds of people wishing to vote but thus far have been too stupid/lazy/poor to bother getting one they are free.
Let's be real honest here, the outrage about these laws rests with a very small minority of libtards who have so little respect for the intelligence of the american public they thought they'd be able to turn something as common sense as showing your id to prove your identity into an issue about race. They were wrong and inadvertently outed as racists for their racist premise.
They're also irked its going to be harder for them to cheat.
lets be real honest here, the only reason this is a movement on the conservative side is because racist republitards know this hurts people that vote against them.
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You gotta show SOMETHING to vote. Come the eff on.
At first I thought the Republicans were being total freaks and obviously putting up a barrier to voting but if the position is simply that you have to have some form of id in some fashion, then yeah. You have to.
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I don't get the travel thing. If they are in some rural place where they have to travel to get an ID and that is hard for them, won't they also have to travel to vote?
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I don't get the travel thing. If they are in some rural place where they have to travel to get an ID and that is hard for them, won't they also have to travel to vote?
not necessarily. Where I grew up, voting was at the senior center in town, which was served by the elderly/handicapped transit and quite frankly was walkable for everyone who was able-bodied. The closest DMV office was 30 miles away.
I mean, didn't you play 8 man football?
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I don't get the travel thing. If they are in some rural place where they have to travel to get an ID and that is hard for them, won't they also have to travel to vote?
I mean, didn't you play 8 man football?
:dubious: absolutely not
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You can't just show up and say "hey, I am here to vote" and start filling in a ballot, right? That sounds crazy.
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You can't just show up and say "hey, I am here to vote" and start filling in a ballot, right? That sounds crazy.
You always have been able to do that up until now. They just found your name on their registration list, and you signed by that name.
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You can't just show up and say "hey, I am here to vote" and start filling in a ballot, right? That sounds crazy.
You always have been able to do that up until now. They just found your name on their registration list, and you signed by that name.
maybe in whatever podunk town you live in. i've always had to show my id
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I show up, they ask my nam/address, sign my name next to my name/address and bam, im votin. Never shown an id.
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Poll workers can be sued if they ask for your ID or any other info in California. I've tried to offer it but they turn their heads like they will go blind if they look at it.
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the reasons against an ID to vote, are not very compelling... "you're racist if you support laws for voter ID". :dunno:
black Americans represent about 12-13% of the total population, and a majority live in urban areas. So, considering this, how does the argument of "racism" stand?
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the reasons against an ID to vote, are not very compelling... "you're racist if you support laws for voter ID". :dunno:
black Americans represent about 12-13% of the total population, and a majority live in urban areas. So, considering this, how does the argument of "racism" stand?
A federal court in DC today determined that Texas voter ID law violated Section 5 of the Voter Rights Act and was “enacted with discriminatory purpose.”
From the court:
Texas bears the burden of proving that nothing in SB 14 “would lead to a retrogression in the position of racial minorities with respect to their effective exercise of the electoral franchise.” Because all of Texas’s evidence on retrogression is some combination of invalid, irrelevant, and unreliable, we have little trouble concluding that Texas has failed to carry its burden.
To the contrary, record evidence suggests that SB 14, if implemented, would in fact have a retrogressive effect on Hispanic and African American voters. This conclusion flows from three basic facts: (1) a substantial subgroup of Texas voters, many of whom are African American or Hispanic, lack photo ID; (2) the burdens associated with obtaining ID will weigh most heavily on the poor; and (3) racial minorities in Texas are disproportionately likely to live in poverty.
According to undisputed U.S. Census data, the poverty rate in Texas is 25.8% for Hispanics and 23.3% for African Americans, compared to just 8.8% for whites. This means that the burdens of obtaining [voter ID] will almost certainly fall more heavily on minorities, a concern well recognized by those who work in minority communities.
…Undisputed census data shows that in Texas, 13.1% of African Americans and 7.3% of Hispanics live in households without access to a motor vehicle, compared with only 3.8% of whites.
… while a 200 to 250 mile trip to and from a DPS [Department of Public Safety] office would be a heavy burden for any prospective voter, such a journey would be especially daunting for the working poor. Poorer citizens, especially those working for hourly wages, will likely be less able to take time off work to travel to a DPS office—a problem exacerbated by the fact that wait times in DPS offices can be as long as three hours during busy months of the year. This concern is especially serious given that none of Texas’s DPS offices are open on weekends or past 6:00 PM, eliminating for many working people the option of obtaining an EIC [“election identification certificate”] on their own time. A law that forces poorer citizens to choose between their wages and their franchise unquestionably denies or abridges their right to vote. The same is true when a law imposes an implicit fee for the privilege of casting a ballot, like the $22 many would-be voters who lack the required underlying documentation will have to pay to obtain an EIC. “[W]ealth or fee paying has . . . no relation to voting qualifications; the right to vote is too precious, too fundamental to be so burdened or conditioned.”
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you don't need identification to fly. a lot of people don't know that.
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http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/vot/misc/faq.php#faq07
look at these states subjected to the excessive over regulation of the big bad Federal Government! /J.Doug Esquire
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you don't need identification to fly. a lot of people don't know that.
I didn't. Please elaborate.
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you don't need identification to fly. a lot of people don't know that.
I didn't. Please elaborate.
like, you show up with a ticket and say "what now mother rough rider?" and then they subject you to "extra screening" and then you get on the plane. I don't know about outside the US though.
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you don't need identification to fly. a lot of people don't know that.
I didn't. Please elaborate.
like, you show up with a ticket and say "what now mother rough rider?" and then they subject you to "extra screening" and then you get on the plane. I don't know about outside the US though.
I don't plan on finding out. Sounds bad ass, especially the "what now mother rough rider" part. I would love to witness how that goes down!
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you don't need identification to fly. a lot of people don't know that.
I didn't. Please elaborate.
like, you show up with a ticket and say "what now mother rough rider?" and then they subject you to "extra screening" and then you get on the plane. I don't know about outside the US though.
I flew back into the U.S. from Canada with no passport and an expired driver's license. Post 9/11. They made me sing the national anthem and recite the Pledge of Allegiance and let me in. True story. (I don't remember anyone checking anything at all when I went into Canada, although that doesn't seem right...)
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Also, it's absolutely illegal most places (everywhere?) to ask for an ID before voting. You have to give your name and your signature has to match the copy on record.
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you don't need identification to fly. a lot of people don't know that.
I didn't. Please elaborate.
like, you show up with a ticket and say "what now mother rough rider?" and then they subject you to "extra screening" and then you get on the plane. I don't know about outside the US though.
I flew back into the U.S. from Canada with no passport and an expired driver's license. Post 9/11. They made me sing the national anthem and recite the Pledge of Allegiance and let me in. True story. (I don't remember anyone checking anything at all when I went into Canada, although that doesn't seem right...)
I would absolutely fail that part and be stuck in Canada Born In East LA style
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You should take your ID to fly because the crap you have to go through if you lose your passport and are coming back from Eluthera and you smoked the last of your pot before leaving the island but then realized you have no passport but it was too late because you were high and had to go through customs and it sucks. At least my friend from Canada told me this.
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You should take your ID to fly because the crap you have to go through if you lose your passport and are coming back from Eluthera and you smoked the last of your pot before leaving the island but then realized you have no passport but it was too late because you were high and had to go through customs and it sucks. At least my friend from Canada told me this.
man, that sucks
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you don't need identification to fly. a lot of people don't know that.
I didn't. Please elaborate.
like, you show up with a ticket and say "what now mother rough rider?" and then they subject you to "extra screening" and then you get on the plane. I don't know about outside the US though.
I flew back into the U.S. from Canada with no passport and an expired driver's license. Post 9/11. They made me sing the national anthem and recite the Pledge of Allegiance and let me in. True story. (I don't remember anyone checking anything at all when I went into Canada, although that doesn't seem right...)
I would absolutely fail that part and be stuck in Canada Born In East LA style
Man oh man I can see some dumbass sing it to perfection just to bellow a hearty CHIEFS at the end and get sent packin
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oops... http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/video-captures-dem-campaign-chief-plotting-vote-fraud/
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oops... http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/video-captures-dem-campaign-chief-plotting-vote-fraud/
Oh yeah, well there almost no documented cases of voter fraud, therefore it isn't (cant be!) happening.
:libtard:
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Racist vote suppressers... Obama asked to present ID while voting (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/25/obama-asked-for-id-while-voting/).
Seriously though, can't both sides just be honest about this? Yes fraud exists, but it is a relatively minor issue except in very close races (Al Franken is now a Senator, for example). Democrats want things like early voting and looser registration and voting rules because it makes it easier to bus in as many rough ridin' retards - an important part of their base - as possible. They've never strayed far from their old Tammany Hall political machine methods. Republicans want to require a little bit of thought and preparation before voting - like showing up on the right day with an ID - to cut down on the number of rough ridin' retards at the polls, thus improving their chances.
So remember, the fight over voter ID is really just the fight over how easy it should be for rough ridin' retards to vote. I say the fewer rough ridin' retards that vote, the better.
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As President Obama and his family continue their tour of Africa, the White House put out a Fact Sheet entitled "U.S. Support for Strengthening Democratic Institutions, Rule of Law, and Human Rights in Sub-Saharan Africa." One of the first items highlighted by the White House is a $53 million program in Kenya that helps young people "obtain National identification cards, a prerequisite to voter registration."
Civil society and independent media play a critical role in any vibrant democracy. Across sub-Saharan Africa, the United States supports efforts to ensure civil society organizations and independent media can organize, advocate, and raise awareness with governments and the private sector to improve political processes, transparency, and government performance. Examples include:
• In Kenya, the $53 million Yes Youth Can program empowers nearly one million Kenyan youth to use their voices for advocacy in national and local policy-making, while also creating economic opportunities. In advance of Kenya’s March 2013 general elections, Yes Youth Can’s “My ID My Life” campaign helped 500,000 youth obtain National identification cards, a prerequisite to voter registration, and carried out a successful nationwide campaign with Kenyan civic organizations to elicit peace pledges from all presidential aspirants.
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it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) not to have national id cards. we're like a bunch of relatively stupid children in this country.
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The continued assault on voting rights by the GOP.
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/09/voter_id_and_drivers_license_o.html
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The continued assault on voting rights by the GOP.
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/09/voter_id_and_drivers_license_o.html
It'll be Ok, Edna. You can still register to vote and get a voter ID at any county in Alabama - free of charge! http://www.alabamavoterid.com/getFreePhotoVoterID.aspx (http://www.alabamavoterid.com/getFreePhotoVoterID.aspx) Happy voting! :cheers: