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Title: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: "storm"nut on July 19, 2012, 01:03:36 PM
 :lynchmob:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: OK_Cat on July 19, 2012, 01:06:46 PM
sounds right.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: EllToPay on July 19, 2012, 01:06:57 PM
 :emawkid:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: "storm"nut on July 19, 2012, 01:10:40 PM
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205501193&DB_OEM_ID=10410 (http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205501193&DB_OEM_ID=10410)

1 first place vote  :dubious:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: EllToPay on July 19, 2012, 01:10:53 PM
Quote
2012 Big 12 Football Media Preseason Poll
1. Oklahoma (32) 396
2. West Virginia (7) 339
3. Texas 291
4. Oklahoma State 267
5. TCU (1) 260
6. Kansas State (1) 257
7. Baylor 162
8. Iowa State 121
9. Texas Tech 116
10. Kansas 46
first-place votes in parentheses

THANKS FOR THE FIRST PLACE VOTE, MATT WALTERS!  :D
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Frankenklein on July 19, 2012, 01:11:27 PM
    I`m really hoping for a receiving votes preseason ranking just to get the chips properly placed on the shoulders of the players
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: OK_Cat on July 19, 2012, 01:11:42 PM
i see nothing wrong with that list, except i'd probably flip texas and osu
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: CNS on July 19, 2012, 01:12:32 PM
UT has two crap options at QB and nothing behind them.

They belong below us.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 01:12:43 PM
SLAP TO THE FACE!
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: AbeFroman on July 19, 2012, 01:15:07 PM
On paper, about right. But if you factor in the amount of clutch this team has (Klein on 2nd and 29 from our own 2, Tre Walker's tackle, the last 8 minutes of the Baylor game, the entire A&M game) then we'll probably be 3rd.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: OK_Cat on July 19, 2012, 01:16:35 PM
On paper, about right. But if you factor in the amount of clutch this team has (Klein on 2nd and 29 from our own 2, Tre Walker's tackle, the last 8 minutes of the Baylor game, the entire A&M game) then we'll probably be 3rd.

or factor in the amount of crap (ou, arky) then we should be 6th.   :dunno:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: EllToPay on July 19, 2012, 01:18:16 PM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: CNS on July 19, 2012, 01:19:12 PM
We should game well against all but OU and WVU
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 01:19:47 PM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

they have 6 B12 first teamers though
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: OK_Cat on July 19, 2012, 01:20:15 PM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

their o-line and rb's are fantastic so he doesn't matter.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: "storm"nut on July 19, 2012, 01:20:52 PM
doing the math:

ku recieved 46 points

Assuming 10th place is worth 1 point then KU received

38 10th place votes

1 9th place vote

2 8th place votes
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: EllToPay on July 19, 2012, 01:21:25 PM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

their o-line and rb's are fantastic so he doesn't matter.

oh, ok. thanks.  :jerk:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: EllToPay on July 19, 2012, 01:21:50 PM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

they have 6 B12 first teamers though

see above
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: EMAWmeister on July 19, 2012, 01:21:58 PM
So certain media members had to have been picking us in the bottom spots. Hmm.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Panjandrum on July 19, 2012, 01:26:50 PM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

their o-line and rb's are fantastic so he doesn't matter.

2004 Darren Sproles wants to have a word with you.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: OK_Cat on July 19, 2012, 01:30:13 PM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

their o-line and rb's are fantastic so he doesn't matter.

2004 Darren Sproles wants to have a word with you.

 :flush:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 19, 2012, 02:52:04 PM
Yeah. Everyone also decided to ignore the down syndrome qb's at Texas as well. SMH.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: nicname on July 19, 2012, 02:57:20 PM
 :cheese:  to the bulletin board!!!
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Mr Bread on July 19, 2012, 02:58:09 PM
Yeah. Everyone also decided to ignore the down syndrome qb's at Texas as well. SMH.

Hey, my dad had Down's.  Not rough ridin' cool, Fanning.  Retardeds should be off limits you guys. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: CNS on July 19, 2012, 03:00:19 PM
T's and P's Bread.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Mr Bread on July 19, 2012, 03:01:03 PM
T's and P's Bread.

He got better. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: wildcat123 on July 19, 2012, 03:03:09 PM
places 4-6 are interchangeable in points so 4th is extremely likely.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: EllToPay on July 19, 2012, 03:03:26 PM
Yeah. Everyone also decided to ignore the down syndrome qb's at Texas as well. SMH.

Hey, my dad had Down's.  Not rough ridin' cool, Fanning.  Retardeds should be off limits you guys.

t's and p's. v nice of you to put him in your avatar.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: OK_Cat on July 19, 2012, 03:03:41 PM
T's and P's Bread.

He got better.

 :lol:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: KSUblumpkin on July 19, 2012, 04:40:18 PM
Eff it...I say WVU and TCU choke hard (doesn't know how to handle the deep throat necessary for the big 12).

I say we finish 2nd/3rd.  Texas will lose to us at BSFS and OU will suck one game away, much like Rex Ryan would to Lolo Jones's virgin foot.

 :lynchmob: 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2012, 04:44:37 PM
This list is bullshit. It should be

1. OU
2. Texas
3. OSU
4. KSU
5. WVU
6. TCU
7. Tech
8. Baylor
9. ISU
10. KU

These media types always get it wrong.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Winters on July 19, 2012, 04:48:08 PM
The blood must be pumping real good when D-Sams saw/sees this. I feel pretty bad for the Big XII.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: GoodForAnother on July 19, 2012, 05:03:17 PM
this is ideal
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: MadCat on July 19, 2012, 05:31:02 PM
Media schemed.  :lynchmob:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: ew2x4 on July 19, 2012, 05:55:49 PM
TCU is the new A&M, I guess. Lots of hype and nothing coming to fruition.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on July 19, 2012, 06:32:09 PM
OSU is going choke up so many INTs this year, OSU could be broken my the end of the year. TCU, WVU, and KU coaching staffs are going to be pulling their hair out at the end due to BIG 12 scheming.

1. KSU (Bill's greatest team)
2. UT (Defense wins games)
3. OU (Offseason turmoil is going to derail their season)
4. Baylor (Surprise team runs the ball effectively)
5. WVU (Cockiness leads to poor offseason)
6  OSU (Talent team that makes a ton of mistakes)
7. TCU (BIG 12 seasons wears them down)
8. TECH (Tuberville's last year at tech)
9. ISU (flood aggie does what flood aggie does)
10. KU (worst BCS roster ever)
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: PowercatPat on July 19, 2012, 07:26:37 PM
UT has two crap options at QB and nothing behind them.

They belong below us.

This. Their defense is damn good but without a QB I just don't see them finishing as high as predicted.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2012, 08:20:38 PM
Texas has by far the best defense in the Big 12. David Ash was a freshman last year. I think it's safe to say he will be much better going forward. They are going to be very tough to beat.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: EMAWesome on July 19, 2012, 08:33:13 PM
OSU is going choke up so many INTs this year, OSU could be broken my the end of the year. TCU, WVU, and KU coaching staffs are going to be pulling their hair out at the end due to BIG 12 scheming.

1. KSU (Bill's greatest team)
2. UT (Defense wins games)
3. OU (Offseason turmoil is going to derail their season)
4. Baylor (Surprise team runs the ball effectively)
5. WVU (Cockiness leads to poor offseason)
6  OSU (Talent team that makes a ton of mistakes)
7. TCU (BIG 12 seasons wears them down)
8. TECH (Tuberville's last year at tech)
9. ISU (flood aggie does what flood aggie does)
10. KU (worst BCS roster ever)


Flip OU & UT, BAY & WVU and ISU & TECH and you arrive at something close to my best guess
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Blackcats on July 19, 2012, 09:23:10 PM
Last year picked 8th in the Big 12. Finished 8th in the BCS.

Picked 6th this year in the Big 12...
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: kim carnes on July 19, 2012, 09:45:30 PM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

their o-line and rb's are fantastic so he doesn't matter.

hey guys, i like anything related to the state of oklahoma because i live there and whatever  :flush:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Skipper44 on July 19, 2012, 09:47:44 PM
Tough to pick against OU's road soft road sched with only 2 against the top half of the league in WVU and TCU.  Both tough road games are against newcomers and OU will have a ton of fans at the TCU game (especially if B12 fb ball proves to be a tough adjustment for TCU as it is the season finale). 

I can't see finishing behind OSU and UT considering we have both at home and the relative QB play of each projects to have.  I see 2nd place behind OU with 7-2 in conference after losing to OU and splitting the TCU/WVU road games, outside chance at  BCS at large.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on July 19, 2012, 10:08:43 PM
were going to eff crap up this year again.. go cats!
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: SdK on July 19, 2012, 10:18:11 PM
Being picked 6th seems so much worse when you realize that the Big 12 has 10.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: bucket on July 19, 2012, 10:24:43 PM
UT has two crap options at QB and nothing behind them.

They belong below us.

This. Their defense is damn good but without a QB I just don't see them finishing as high as predicted.

Texas could run the ball every play and still finish in the top half. They're loaded across the board with the exception of QB.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Blackcats on July 19, 2012, 10:27:29 PM
Being picked 6th seems so much worse when you realize that the Big 12 has 10.

 :shakesfist:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Hurricane Cat on July 19, 2012, 10:45:03 PM
Last year picked 8th in the Big 12. Finished 8th in the BCS.

Picked 6th this year in the Big 12...

.....Finish 5th in the Big 12    :dunno:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Cire on July 19, 2012, 10:56:09 PM
we were really really lucky last year in a lot of games.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 20, 2012, 12:06:01 AM
we were really really lucky last year in a lot of games.

No we didn't. Getting lucky in football is pretty rare. I would say the team was lucky 2 years ago against UCF when that guy fell down with leg cramps when he had a touchdown otherwise. Nothing like that happened last year at any point. The team stepped up and made big time plays when they had to time after time. That's not luck. That's skill.

I think the Vegas line has a lot more to do with the percentage of our offense Klein provides and the amount of punishment he took last season than it does some analysis that draws the experts to conclude we were lucky. They think Klein will not make it through the season and then we have a true freshman and a redshirt freshman backing him up.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: DQ12 on July 20, 2012, 12:08:18 AM
we were really really lucky last year in a lot of games.

No we didn't. Getting lucky in football is pretty rare. I would say the team was lucky 2 years ago against UCF when that guy fell down with leg cramps when he had a touchdown otherwise. Nothing like that happened last year at any point. The team stepped up and made big time plays when they had to time after time. That's not luck. That's skill.

I think the Vegas line has a lot more to do with the percentage of our offense Klein provides and the amount of punishment he took last season than it does some analysis that draws the experts to conclude we were lucky. They think Klein will not make it through the season and then we have a true freshman and a redshirt freshman backing him up.
no i'm pretty sure it's because they think we were a fluke last season.

i disagree with them, but i'm pretty sure that's they're reasoning.  i doubt they're banking on CK getting hurt.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: kostakio on July 20, 2012, 12:11:55 AM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

they have 6 B12 first teamers though

Meh they have five and that includes a pk and punter. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: deputy dawg on July 20, 2012, 08:31:17 AM
Don't think Baylor will have as big a dropoff as everyone thinks.  The backup QB from last year looked pretty good when he got a shot at playing time.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: kstate16 on July 20, 2012, 08:47:15 AM
we were really really lucky last year in a lot of games.

No we didn't. Getting lucky in football is pretty rare. I would say the team was lucky 2 years ago against UCF when that guy fell down with leg cramps when he had a touchdown otherwise.
Nothing like that happened last year at any point. The team stepped up and made big time plays when they had to time after time. That's not luck. That's skill.

I think the Vegas line has a lot more to do with the percentage of our offense Klein provides and the amount of punishment he took last season than it does some analysis that draws the experts to conclude we were lucky. They think Klein will not make it through the season and then we have a true freshman and a redshirt freshman backing him up.
:lol:
Totally forgot about this
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: OK_Cat on July 20, 2012, 08:54:23 AM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

their o-line and rb's are fantastic so he doesn't matter.

hey guys, i like anything related to the state of oklahoma because i live there and whatever  :flush:

i live an hour away from stillwater and get tons of media coverage.   :dunno:  osu will still be good, not a ton of drop-off from last year.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: kostakio on July 20, 2012, 10:31:42 AM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

their o-line and rb's are fantastic so he doesn't matter.

hey guys, i like anything related to the state of oklahoma because i live there and whatever  :flush:

i live an hour away from stillwater and get tons of media coverage.   :dunno:  osu will still be good, not a ton of drop-off from last year.

I don't know that was one of the worst defenses we saw last year.  People have downgraded KSU because they got a lot of turnovers last year but OSU got an unreal crazy high number of turnovers.  KSU was plus 12 in turnovers and OSU was plas 21.  KSU's number was largey due due to conservative play they had the least turnovers in the big 12 by a fair margin.  OSU did it by forcing 44 turnovers the next closest in the big 12 was 29.   Everyone wants to credit the genious Bill Young but some of that is just luck.  KSU has a far greater chance of repeating their plus 12 then OSU does of repeating plus 21 with 44 take aways but you won't read that anywhere.   
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 20, 2012, 10:34:21 AM
we were really really lucky last year in a lot of games.

No we didn't. Getting lucky in football is pretty rare. I would say the team was lucky 2 years ago against UCF when that guy fell down with leg cramps when he had a touchdown otherwise.
Nothing like that happened last year at any point. The team stepped up and made big time plays when they had to time after time. That's not luck. That's skill.

I think the Vegas line has a lot more to do with the percentage of our offense Klein provides and the amount of punishment he took last season than it does some analysis that draws the experts to conclude we were lucky. They think Klein will not make it through the season and then we have a true freshman and a redshirt freshman backing him up.
:lol:
Totally forgot about this

Don't recall, is there a gif or youtube?
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: slobber on July 20, 2012, 10:34:31 AM
T's and P's Bread.

He got better.
CNS Casey's T's and P's are super magical.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 20, 2012, 10:41:03 AM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

their o-line and rb's are fantastic so he doesn't matter.

hey guys, i like anything related to the state of oklahoma because i live there and whatever  :flush:

i live an hour away from stillwater and get tons of media coverage.   :dunno:  osu will still be good, not a ton of drop-off from last year.

I don't know that was one of the worst defenses we saw last year.  People have downgraded KSU because they got a lot of turnovers last year but OSU got an unreal crazy high number of turnovers.  KSU was plus 12 in turnovers and OSU was plas 21.  KSU's number was largey due due to conservative play they had the least turnovers in the big 12 by a fair margin.  OSU did it by forcing 44 turnovers the next closest in the big 12 was 29.   Everyone wants to credit the genious Bill Young but some of that is just luck.  KSU has a far greater chance of repeating their plus 12 then OSU does of repeating plus 21 with 44 take aways but you won't read that anywhere.

How does forcing 44 turnovers equate to being one of the worst defenses we saw last year? OSU was very good defensively last season, and they will be very good again this year.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: kostakio on July 20, 2012, 11:39:16 AM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

their o-line and rb's are fantastic so he doesn't matter.

hey guys, i like anything related to the state of oklahoma because i live there and whatever  :flush:

i live an hour away from stillwater and get tons of media coverage.   :dunno:  osu will still be good, not a ton of drop-off from last year.

I don't know that was one of the worst defenses we saw last year.  People have downgraded KSU because they got a lot of turnovers last year but OSU got an unreal crazy high number of turnovers.  KSU was plus 12 in turnovers and OSU was plas 21.  KSU's number was largey due due to conservative play they had the least turnovers in the big 12 by a fair margin.  OSU did it by forcing 44 turnovers the next closest in the big 12 was 29.   Everyone wants to credit the genious Bill Young but some of that is just luck.  KSU has a far greater chance of repeating their plus 12 then OSU does of repeating plus 21 with 44 take aways but you won't read that anywhere.

How does forcing 44 turnovers equate to being one of the worst defenses we saw last year? OSU was very good defensively last season, and they will be very good again this year.

We rollled up over 500 yards on them they were soft against the run all season.  By the end of the game they had nothing for us I think we gained more yards against them then we did on anyone all season.  They got beat by ISU because they gave up like 600 yards or something stupid to them. They were near the bottom of the big 12 in defense they were saved by the turnovers.  You  have to give them some credit for forcing turnovers but 44 is a stupid high number they'd do very well to force 30 this coming year.     
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: OK_Cat on July 20, 2012, 12:05:07 PM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

their o-line and rb's are fantastic so he doesn't matter.

hey guys, i like anything related to the state of oklahoma because i live there and whatever  :flush:

i live an hour away from stillwater and get tons of media coverage.   :dunno:  osu will still be good, not a ton of drop-off from last year.

I don't know that was one of the worst defenses we saw last year.  People have downgraded KSU because they got a lot of turnovers last year but OSU got an unreal crazy high number of turnovers.  KSU was plus 12 in turnovers and OSU was plas 21.  KSU's number was largey due due to conservative play they had the least turnovers in the big 12 by a fair margin.  OSU did it by forcing 44 turnovers the next closest in the big 12 was 29.   Everyone wants to credit the genious Bill Young but some of that is just luck.  KSU has a far greater chance of repeating their plus 12 then OSU does of repeating plus 21 with 44 take aways but you won't read that anywhere.

How does forcing 44 turnovers equate to being one of the worst defenses we saw last year? OSU was very good defensively last season, and they will be very good again this year.

We rollled up over 500 yards on them they were soft against the run all season.  By the end of the game they had nothing for us I think we gained more yards against them then we did on anyone all season.  They got beat by ISU because they gave up like 600 yards or something stupid to them. They were near the bottom of the big 12 in defense they were saved by the turnovers.  You  have to give them some credit for forcing turnovers but 44 is a stupid high number they'd do very well to force 30 this coming year.   

they beat us.   :dunno:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Cire on July 20, 2012, 12:07:00 PM
OSU's defense was also on the field for an absurd number of plays.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Skipper44 on July 20, 2012, 12:19:54 PM
The BU @ OSU game last year was good example of OSU's D freaky turnover numbers.  Baylor gained 280 yards in the first half, averaging  5 yards per play and did not score a point.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: CNS on July 20, 2012, 12:25:40 PM
Don't think Baylor will have as big a dropoff as everyone thinks.  The backup QB from last year looked pretty good when he got a shot at playing time.

Losing that one receiver(don't recall his name) is going to be almost as big of a deal as losing RG3.  The combo of them was ridic.  The back up QB was dece, but he is missing one of the best receivers in the Big 12 this year.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: steve dave on July 20, 2012, 12:26:57 PM
Don't think Baylor will have as big a dropoff as everyone thinks.  The backup QB from last year looked pretty good when he got a shot at playing time.

Losing that one receiver(don't recall his name) is going to be almost as big of a deal as losing RG3.  The combo of them was ridic.  The back up QB was dece, but he is missing one of the best receivers in the Big 12 this year.

kendall wright.  yeah, he was ridic.  also terrance ganaway.  three huge offensive weapons.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: CNS on July 20, 2012, 12:28:17 PM
OSU's QB knew the offense so well he taught it to his new OC in the off season.  This year, they have a true frosh QB.  Either they got super lucky in their QB recruiting, or they will drop off this year.  Not saying they will suck, but to say that a frosh will replace Weeden with no drop off is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  Like, really Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: kostakio on July 20, 2012, 12:31:04 PM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

their o-line and rb's are fantastic so he doesn't matter.

hey guys, i like anything related to the state of oklahoma because i live there and whatever  :flush:

i live an hour away from stillwater and get tons of media coverage.   :dunno:  osu will still be good, not a ton of drop-off from last year.

I don't know that was one of the worst defenses we saw last year.  People have downgraded KSU because they got a lot of turnovers last year but OSU got an unreal crazy high number of turnovers.  KSU was plus 12 in turnovers and OSU was plas 21.  KSU's number was largey due due to conservative play they had the least turnovers in the big 12 by a fair margin.  OSU did it by forcing 44 turnovers the next closest in the big 12 was 29.   Everyone wants to credit the genious Bill Young but some of that is just luck.  KSU has a far greater chance of repeating their plus 12 then OSU does of repeating plus 21 with 44 take aways but you won't read that anywhere.

How does forcing 44 turnovers equate to being one of the worst defenses we saw last year? OSU was very good defensively last season, and they will be very good again this year.

We rollled up over 500 yards on them they were soft against the run all season.  By the end of the game they had nothing for us I think we gained more yards against them then we did on anyone all season.  They got beat by ISU because they gave up like 600 yards or something stupid to them. They were near the bottom of the big 12 in defense they were saved by the turnovers.  You  have to give them some credit for forcing turnovers but 44 is a stupid high number they'd do very well to force 30 this coming year.   

they beat us.   :dunno:

Yeah they beat us just like we beat 10 other teams.  People seem to want to say it was all luck for us and all skill for teams like OSU.  Probably a combination of luck and skill for both teams but OSU lost far more then we did.  I still think they'll be pretty good but they won't be as good on offense and will have a very hard time repeating what they did on defense with the turnovers.     
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: OK_Cat on July 20, 2012, 12:38:31 PM
true freshman qb for osu. do people forget that?

their o-line and rb's are fantastic so he doesn't matter.

hey guys, i like anything related to the state of oklahoma because i live there and whatever  :flush:

i live an hour away from stillwater and get tons of media coverage.   :dunno:  osu will still be good, not a ton of drop-off from last year.

I don't know that was one of the worst defenses we saw last year.  People have downgraded KSU because they got a lot of turnovers last year but OSU got an unreal crazy high number of turnovers.  KSU was plus 12 in turnovers and OSU was plas 21.  KSU's number was largey due due to conservative play they had the least turnovers in the big 12 by a fair margin.  OSU did it by forcing 44 turnovers the next closest in the big 12 was 29.   Everyone wants to credit the genious Bill Young but some of that is just luck.  KSU has a far greater chance of repeating their plus 12 then OSU does of repeating plus 21 with 44 take aways but you won't read that anywhere.

How does forcing 44 turnovers equate to being one of the worst defenses we saw last year? OSU was very good defensively last season, and they will be very good again this year.

We rollled up over 500 yards on them they were soft against the run all season.  By the end of the game they had nothing for us I think we gained more yards against them then we did on anyone all season.  They got beat by ISU because they gave up like 600 yards or something stupid to them. They were near the bottom of the big 12 in defense they were saved by the turnovers.  You  have to give them some credit for forcing turnovers but 44 is a stupid high number they'd do very well to force 30 this coming year.   

they beat us.   :dunno:

Yeah they beat us just like we beat 10 other teams.  People seem to want to say it was all luck for us and all skill for teams like OSU.  Probably a combination of luck and skill for both teams but OSU lost far more then we did.  I still think they'll be pretty good but they won't be as good on offense and will have a very hard time repeating what they did on defense with the turnovers.   

they have mike gundy (smells good, looks good) getting bigtime recruits.  we have LHC Bill Snyder (smells like bengay and werthers originals) not doing that. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 20, 2012, 01:25:28 PM
they have mike gundy (smells good, looks good) getting bigtime recruits.  we have LHC Bill Snyder (smells like bengay and werthers originals) not doing that.

Exactly. They have the second best coach in the Big 12, behind only Mack Brown. They won't be as good as last year, but they will still be one of the 3 best teams in the Big 12.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: kostakio on July 20, 2012, 02:14:20 PM
OSU's recruiting is overated especially by KSU fans.  If you're stealing kids from KSU your recruiting isn't great.   Look at last year's class it was nothing at all special.  They have some nice commits right now but the last couple of years prior were just ok.   
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: OK_Cat on July 20, 2012, 03:12:43 PM
OSU's recruiting is overated especially by KSU fans.  If you're stealing kids from KSU your recruiting isn't great.   Look at last year's class it was nothing at all special.  They have some nice commits right now but the last couple of years prior were just ok.   

36, 31, 28, 32

that's osu's national ranking in recruiting the past 4 years (ksu not in top 50 any of those years)

they pulled in 13 4-stars in that time period, ksu signed 3 4-star players during that same timeframe.

out-recruiting kstate isn't an achievement by any means, but please stop saying that gundy doesn't recruit well.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: kostakio on July 20, 2012, 03:25:17 PM
OSU's recruiting is overated especially by KSU fans.  If you're stealing kids from KSU your recruiting isn't great.   Look at last year's class it was nothing at all special.  They have some nice commits right now but the last couple of years prior were just ok.   

36, 31, 28, 32

that's osu's national ranking in recruiting the past 4 years (ksu not in top 50 any of those years)

they pulled in 13 4-stars in that time period, ksu signed 3 4-star players during that same timeframe.

out-recruiting kstate isn't an achievement by any means, but please stop saying that gundy doesn't recruit well.

He recruits better then KSU no question but I think the perception is he's signing 10 or 15 four stars per year with top 10 classes and he's not.  He signed more 2 stars then he did 4 stars last year.  The recruiting rankings you posted pretty much reflect what I said about their recruiting it's ok. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: OK_Cat on July 20, 2012, 03:26:36 PM
OSU's recruiting is overated especially by KSU fans.  If you're stealing kids from KSU your recruiting isn't great.   Look at last year's class it was nothing at all special.  They have some nice commits right now but the last couple of years prior were just ok.   

36, 31, 28, 32

that's osu's national ranking in recruiting the past 4 years (ksu not in top 50 any of those years)

they pulled in 13 4-stars in that time period, ksu signed 3 4-star players during that same timeframe.

out-recruiting kstate isn't an achievement by any means, but please stop saying that gundy doesn't recruit well.

He recruits better then KSU no question but I think the perception is he's signing 10 or 15 four stars per year with top 10 classes and he's not.  He signed more 2 stars then he did 4 stars last year.  The recruiting rankings you posted pretty much reflect what I said about their recruiting it's ok.

ok.  they will still be top 3 conference.   :dunno:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 20, 2012, 03:27:35 PM
Hey dickheads:  yes, Gundy recruits well.  We don't, but we still win. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 20, 2012, 03:55:30 PM
Gundy recruits incredibly well because he recruits the best players in America to run his system. You cannot argue with his results.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: kostakio on July 20, 2012, 04:03:59 PM
Gundy recruits incredibly well because he recruits the best players in America to run his system. You cannot argue with his results.

you could say the same thing about Snyder but nobody ever does.  Gundy is a good coch he's done a good job he's not going to have OSU in the top 10 every year though.  The talent on the team this year doesn't square with the expectations.   
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 20, 2012, 04:11:39 PM
Gundy recruits incredibly well because he recruits the best players in America to run his system. You cannot argue with his results.

you could say the same thing about Snyder but nobody ever does.  Gundy is a good coch he's done a good job he's not going to have OSU in the top 10 every year though.  The talent on the team this year doesn't square with the expectations.

Snyder used to be an incredible recruiter, but he no longer is able to get the kind of recruits he used to.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Mr Bread on July 20, 2012, 04:37:32 PM
OSU's QB knew the offense so well he taught it to his new OC in the off season.  This year, they have a true frosh QB.  Either they got super lucky in their QB recruiting, or they will drop off this year.  Not saying they will suck, but to say that a frosh will replace Weeden with no drop off is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  Like, really Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Not disagreeing, but it's not like they're stuck with a true frosh.  If he starts, it's because he beat out a rs-junior in Chelf who has played mop up duty the past two seasons.  Plus Lunt is pretty rough ridin' good even for a true frosh: A two-time state champion in Illinois...Missed the early portion of his senior season with injury but returned to throw for 3,650 yards and 31 touchdowns and just four interceptions while completing 73 percent of his throws ... Set a state record with a 590-yard passing game ... Also holds Illinois high school records for passing yards and completions in a state championship game ... Over his last two seasons he amassed more than 7,000 passing yards, had 65 touchdown passes and just eight interceptions.  He can rough ridin' sling it. 

Certainly some drop off is to be expected though.  Weeden was a grown ass man. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: DOD Take 2 on July 20, 2012, 04:48:25 PM
Just for the record, nobody here really thinks OSU had a good defense last year, right? Because that would make you a dumbass.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: catzacker on July 20, 2012, 04:58:22 PM
4-7
5-6
7-6
5-7
5-7
6-6
7-6
10-3

which one is not like the other(s)?
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: steve dave on July 20, 2012, 04:59:02 PM
4-7
5-6
7-6
5-7
5-7
6-6
7-6
10-3

which one is not like the other(s)?

that post hurt the heart catzacker
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Mr Bread on July 20, 2012, 05:17:26 PM
4-7
5-6
7-6
5-7
5-7
6-6
7-6
10-3

which one is not like the other(s)?

that post hurt the heart catzacker

Clearly trending up.  Looks like more than 10 wins this season.  That's just simple math there. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 20, 2012, 06:03:11 PM
Just for the record, nobody here really thinks OSU had a good defense last year, right? Because that would make you a dumbass.

Of course they had a good defense last year.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: W.Churchill on July 20, 2012, 06:55:39 PM
Gundy recruits incredibly well because he recruits the best players in America to run his system. You cannot argue with his results.

you could say the same thing about Snyder but nobody ever does.  Gundy is a good coch he's done a good job he's not going to have OSU in the top 10 every year though.  The talent on the team this year doesn't square with the expectations.

Snyder used to be an incredible recruiter, but he no longer is able to get the kind of recruits he used to.

That happens when you're approaching 75 and the recruits seriously doubt you're going to be around much longer.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: wes mantooth on July 20, 2012, 07:24:51 PM
OSU's QB knew the offense so well he taught it to his new OC in the off season.  This year, they have a true frosh QB.  Either they got super lucky in their QB recruiting, or they will drop off this year.  Not saying they will suck, but to say that a frosh will replace Weeden with no drop off is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  Like, really Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Not disagreeing, but it's not like they're stuck with a true frosh.  If he starts, it's because he beat out a rs-junior in Chelf who has played mop up duty the past two seasons.  Plus Lunt is pretty rough ridin' good even for a true frosh: A two-time state champion in Illinois...Missed the early portion of his senior season with injury but returned to throw for 3,650 yards and 31 touchdowns and just four interceptions while completing 73 percent of his throws ... Set a state record with a 590-yard passing game ... Also holds Illinois high school records for passing yards and completions in a state championship game ... Over his last two seasons he amassed more than 7,000 passing yards, had 65 touchdown passes and just eight interceptions.  He can rough ridin' sling it. 

Certainly some drop off is to be expected though.  Weeden was a grown ass man.

Seriously had no idea they played football in the state if Illinois.  Knowing this true freshman is from Illinois, I'm fairly certain we beat osu by 21.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: CNS on July 20, 2012, 07:29:12 PM
That kid sounds exactly like Billy Cosh.    :cheers:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Mr Bread on July 20, 2012, 08:29:26 PM
OSU's QB knew the offense so well he taught it to his new OC in the off season.  This year, they have a true frosh QB.  Either they got super lucky in their QB recruiting, or they will drop off this year.  Not saying they will suck, but to say that a frosh will replace Weeden with no drop off is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  Like, really Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Not disagreeing, but it's not like they're stuck with a true frosh.  If he starts, it's because he beat out a rs-junior in Chelf who has played mop up duty the past two seasons.  Plus Lunt is pretty rough ridin' good
even for a true frosh: A two-time state champion in Illinois...Missed the early portion of his senior season with injury but returned to throw for 3,650 yards and 31 touchdowns and just four interceptions while completing 73 percent of his throws ... Set a state record with a 590-yard passing game ... Also holds Illinois high school records for passing yards and completions in a state championship game ... Over his last two seasons he amassed more than 7,000 passing yards, had 65 touchdown passes and
just eight interceptions.  He can rough ridin' sling it. 

Certainly some drop off is to be expected though.  Weeden was a grown ass man.

Seriously had no idea they played football in the state if Illinois.  Knowing this true freshman is from
Illinois, I'm fairly certain we beat osu by 21.

 :dubious: :shakesfist:  I played football in Illinois and I can assure you it was very elite. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: CHONGS on July 20, 2012, 10:27:06 PM
Texas Tech will be much better than you think

DO NOT LOOK PAST THEM

DO NOT
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: michigancat on July 20, 2012, 11:03:54 PM
#gpcthread
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: steve dave on July 21, 2012, 10:38:48 AM
#gpcthread

we can talk about sports too KRUSTY!
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: michigancat on July 21, 2012, 10:40:49 AM
#gpcthread

we can talk about sports too KRUSTY!

It's not the subject, it's the response to the subject if you get my drift.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: steve dave on July 21, 2012, 10:43:54 AM
#gpcthread

we can talk about sports too KRUSTY!

It's not the subject, it's the response to the subject if you get my drift.

SLAP TO THE FACE!
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: michigancat on July 21, 2012, 10:51:13 AM
#gpcthread

we can talk about sports too KRUSTY!

It's not the subject, it's the response to the subject if you get my drift.

SLAP TO THE FACE!

AMOUNT OF CLUTCH
they
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: asava on July 21, 2012, 02:29:19 PM
This thread has

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all over it.

Where would you guys rank us? 2?! 3?!!!  :lol:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: ew2x4 on July 21, 2012, 05:38:11 PM
4th. We'll be better than OSU and TCU.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Trim on July 21, 2012, 06:52:28 PM
Some no-team-affiliation tuck just interrupted me checking out at the grocery store to 1) tell me I had a whole lot of purple on (I was wearing black gym shorts and the free purple Big 12 shirt the DUs gave all the MOAP'rs that one time) and 2) that he can't believe K-State got picked 6th in the conference.  Told him that seemed about right, and he didn't talk to me anymore.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Skipper44 on July 21, 2012, 07:34:30 PM
This season for OSU parallels KSU in 2001.  The program was rolling, returning talent at number of spots and a talented young QB taking over.....
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Stevesie60 on July 21, 2012, 08:22:22 PM
Some no-team-affiliation tuck just interrupted me checking out at the grocery store to 1) tell me I had a whole lot of purple on (I was wearing black gym shorts and the free purple Big 12 shirt the DUs gave all the MOAP'rs that one time) and 2) that he can't believe K-State got picked 6th in the conference.  Told him that seemed about right, and he didn't talk to me anymore.

#2 is the first thing my parents asked me today after not talking to me for a couple weeks.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Trim on July 21, 2012, 08:24:56 PM
Some no-team-affiliation tuck just interrupted me checking out at the grocery store to 1) tell me I had a whole lot of purple on (I was wearing black gym shorts and the free purple Big 12 shirt the DUs gave all the MOAP'rs that one time) and 2) that he can't believe K-State got picked 6th in the conference.  Told him that seemed about right, and he didn't talk to me anymore.

#2 is the first thing my parents asked me today after not talking to me for a couple weeks.

They probably wanted to talk to you and tell you how disrespectful it is for KSU to be picked 6th and that they loved you, you know, with the whole random colorado shooting and all that.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Stevesie60 on July 21, 2012, 08:27:19 PM
Some no-team-affiliation tuck just interrupted me checking out at the grocery store to 1) tell me I had a whole lot of purple on (I was wearing black gym shorts and the free purple Big 12 shirt the DUs gave all the MOAP'rs that one time) and 2) that he can't believe K-State got picked 6th in the conference.  Told him that seemed about right, and he didn't talk to me anymore.

#2 is the first thing my parents asked me today after not talking to me for a couple weeks.

They probably wanted to talk to you and tell you how disrespectful it is for KSU to be picked 6th and that they loved you, you know, with the whole random colorado shooting and all that.

They used some form of the word "disrespect" in our conversation about 20 times.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: steve dave on July 21, 2012, 08:32:37 PM
you guys, let's feel free to talk about sports.  that's all I'm saying.  If you think the cats are going to be great, I'm not going to discourage you. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Stevesie60 on July 21, 2012, 08:33:36 PM
you guys, let's feel free to talk about sports.  that's all I'm saying.  If you think the cats are going to be great, I'm not going to discourage you. 

I hope we win.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: steve dave on July 21, 2012, 08:34:23 PM
you guys, let's feel free to talk about sports.  that's all I'm saying.  If you think the cats are going to be great, I'm not going to discourage you. 

I hope we win.

YES JAKESIE, YES!
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: slobber on July 21, 2012, 09:03:19 PM
I don't give a crap where anyone picks us. If, on July 21st, before the season has even started, you don't think we are going to win the whole gosh darned thing, then something must be wrong with you.
 :ksu:  :lynchmob:  :emawkid:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: michigancat on July 21, 2012, 09:34:22 PM
Yeah, a wise man once said, "Let the pickers pick and the players play."
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: MadCat on July 21, 2012, 10:02:43 PM
This is just proof of how tough the Big12 is.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Katpappy on July 21, 2012, 10:10:10 PM
Yeah, a wise man once said, "Let the pickers pick and the players play."
Rusty, that's what I like about your posts.  Nine out of ten posts may be negative, but the one positive post trumps the other nine ever time.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on July 21, 2012, 10:11:00 PM
Some no-team-affiliation tuck just interrupted me checking out at the grocery store to 1) tell me I had a whole lot of purple on (I was wearing black gym shorts and the free purple Big 12 shirt the DUs gave all the MOAP'rs that one time) and 2) that he can't believe K-State got picked 6th in the conference.  Told him that seemed about right, and he didn't talk to me anymore.

#2 is the first thing my parents asked me today after not talking to me for a couple weeks.

why did your parents not talk to you for a couple weeks jakesie? everything ok in jakesieville?
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: steve dave on July 21, 2012, 10:35:55 PM
I sometimes go months without talking to my parents...or brothers...or any other family.  that's kinda how we roll though. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: michigancat on July 21, 2012, 10:59:59 PM
I sometimes go months without talking to my parents...or brothers...or any other family.  that's kinda how we roll though. 

sw kansans don't talk much or show many emotions at all. It's so relaxing.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Katpappy on July 21, 2012, 11:03:43 PM
I sometimes go months without talking to my parents...or brothers...or any other family.  that's kinda how we roll though. 

sw kansans don't talk much or show many emotions at all. It's so relaxing.
As a SW Kansan, I completely agree.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on July 21, 2012, 11:09:49 PM
I sometimes go months without talking to my parents...or brothers...or any other family.  that's kinda how we roll though.

yeah. i haven't talked to my mom for like more than ten years, but she's also dead. also, i really think stevesie might really be in a disagreement with his parents about something and it worries me. i just hope he's ok.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: steve dave on July 21, 2012, 11:13:43 PM
I sometimes go months without talking to my parents...or brothers...or any other family.  that's kinda how we roll though.

yeah. i haven't talked to my mom for like more than ten years, but she's also dead. also, i really think stevesie might really be in a disagreement with his parents about something and it worries me. i just hope he's ok.

is he from swks?  could solve this mystery. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Stevesie60 on July 22, 2012, 02:34:05 AM
I sometimes go months without talking to my parents...or brothers...or any other family.  that's kinda how we roll though.

yeah. i haven't talked to my mom for like more than ten years, but she's also dead. also, i really think stevesie might really be in a disagreement with his parents about something and it worries me. i just hope he's ok.

is he from swks?  could solve this mystery. 

I am not. I usually just text with my mom, my dad doesn't care to learn about this  recent advancement in communication technology. He doesn't even have e-mail. I pretty much just talk to my parents in person. In fact, my mom didn't feel the need to let me know my dad went to the hospital this summer. She told me when Mrs. Stevesie60 and I had dinner with them a week later.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: deputy dawg on July 22, 2012, 06:26:41 AM
I sometimes go months without talking to my parents...or brothers...or any other family.  that's kinda how we roll though. 

sw kansans don't talk much or show many emotions at all. It's so relaxing.
As a SW Kansan, I completely agree.

If you're in the field, and you see a dust trail from another vehicle while you're working, you'll drive out to see who it is, and will almost always have a roadside conversation with them, no matter who it is.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Trim on July 22, 2012, 08:10:24 AM
I sometimes go months without talking to my parents...or brothers...or any other family.  that's kinda how we roll though.

yeah. i haven't talked to my mom for like more than ten years, but she's also dead. also, i really think stevesie might really be in a disagreement with his parents about something and it worries me. i just hope he's ok.

is he from swks?  could solve this mystery. 

I am not. I usually just text with my mom, my dad doesn't care to learn about this  recent advancement in communication technology. He doesn't even have e-mail. I pretty much just talk to my parents in person. In fact, my mom didn't feel the need to let me know my dad went to the hospital this summer. She told me when Mrs. Stevesie60 and I had dinner with them a week later.

Still running with the "stevesie" thing, Jake?
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: OK_Cat on July 22, 2012, 09:14:39 AM
i talk to my parents maybe once a month, and i'm also from swks.

this myth has now been confirmed.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: felix rex on July 22, 2012, 09:35:26 AM
I'm from SEK and talk to my family like once a month. So...there's that.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Stevesie60 on July 22, 2012, 10:33:50 AM
I sometimes go months without talking to my parents...or brothers...or any other family.  that's kinda how we roll though.

yeah. i haven't talked to my mom for like more than ten years, but she's also dead. also, i really think stevesie might really be in a disagreement with his parents about something and it worries me. i just hope he's ok.

is he from swks?  could solve this mystery. 

I am not. I usually just text with my mom, my dad doesn't care to learn about this  recent advancement in communication technology. He doesn't even have e-mail. I pretty much just talk to my parents in person. In fact, my mom didn't feel the need to let me know my dad went to the hospital this summer. She told me when Mrs. Stevesie60 and I had dinner with them a week later.

Still running with the "stevesie" thing, Jake?

Old habits.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: cas4ksu on July 22, 2012, 01:06:11 PM
I sometimes go months without talking to my parents...or brothers...or any other family.  that's kinda how we roll though. 

sw kansans don't talk much or show many emotions at all. It's so relaxing.
As a SW Kansan, I completely agree.


NOSE TO THE GRINDSTONE!
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on July 22, 2012, 04:46:04 PM
you guys, let's feel free to talk about sports.  that's all I'm saying.  If you think the cats are going to be great, I'm not going to discourage you. 

I hope we win.

YES JAKESIE, YES!

too bad this philosophy is only applied to football :frown:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: DQ12 on July 22, 2012, 10:20:10 PM
Northeast Kansas.  Call my mom a few times a week.

also, we're going to be incredible this season and have another double-digit win season.  10 games?  11 games...12 games?

MAYBE!
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: SailorCowboy on July 31, 2012, 08:08:09 AM
Everyone wants to credit the genious Bill Young but some of that is just luck.  KSU has a far greater chance of repeating their plus 12 then OSU does of repeating plus 21 with 44 take aways but you won't read that anywhere.

I just posted this on the other thread. 

You think our defense causing turnovers is a fluke?

2008 - #42 (25 TO's gained)
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2008&rpt=IA_teamturnovergain&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

Bill Young hired as Defensive Coordinator

2009 - #11 (30 TO's gained)
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2009&rpt=IA_teamturnovergain&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

2010 - #5 (34 TO's gained)
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2010&rpt=IA_teamturnovergain&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

2011 - #1 (44 TO's gained)
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamturnovergain&site=org&div=IA&dest=O


2012 will field the best defense in Gundy's time at OSU.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on July 31, 2012, 08:19:06 AM
OSU fans are apparently very sensitive about this. TMB posters had issues as well.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: ben ji on July 31, 2012, 08:37:45 AM
Everyone wants to credit the genious Bill Young but some of that is just luck.  KSU has a far greater chance of repeating their plus 12 then OSU does of repeating plus 21 with 44 take aways but you won't read that anywhere.

I just posted this on the other thread. 

You think our defense causing turnovers is a fluke?

2008 - #42 (25 TO's gained)
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2008&rpt=IA_teamturnovergain&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

Bill Young hired as Defensive Coordinator

2009 - #11 (30 TO's gained)
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2009&rpt=IA_teamturnovergain&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

2010 - #5 (34 TO's gained)
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2010&rpt=IA_teamturnovergain&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

2011 - #1 (44 TO's gained)
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamturnovergain&site=org&div=IA&dest=O


2012 will field the best defense in Gundy's time at OSU.

Defense wont be OSU's issue in 2012. Their issue will be starting a true freshman QB who shares facial characteristics with special needs children.

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Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 31, 2012, 08:38:19 AM
OSU's QB knew the offense so well he taught it to his new OC in the off season.  This year, they have a true frosh QB.  Either they got super lucky in their QB recruiting, or they will drop off this year.  Not saying they will suck, but to say that a frosh will replace Weeden with no drop off is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  Like, really Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Not disagreeing, but it's not like they're stuck with a true frosh.  If he starts, it's because he beat out a rs-junior in Chelf who has played mop up duty the past two seasons.  Plus Lunt is pretty rough ridin' good
even for a true frosh: A two-time state champion in Illinois...Missed the early portion of his senior season with injury but returned to throw for 3,650 yards and 31 touchdowns and just four interceptions while completing 73 percent of his throws ... Set a state record with a 590-yard passing game ... Also holds Illinois high school records for passing yards and completions in a state championship game ... Over his last two seasons he amassed more than 7,000 passing yards, had 65 touchdown passes and
just eight interceptions.  He can rough ridin' sling it. 

Certainly some drop off is to be expected though.  Weeden was a grown ass man.

Seriously had no idea they played football in the state if Illinois.  Knowing this true freshman is from
Illinois, I'm fairly certain we beat osu by 21.

 :dubious: :shakesfist:  I played football in Illinois and I can assure you it was very elite.

If it was so elite, then what was your rivals star rating?
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 31, 2012, 08:43:31 AM
Yeah, a wise man once said, "Let the pickers pick and the players play."

That must have been one confirmed individual.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Mr Bread on July 31, 2012, 08:49:13 AM
OSU's QB knew the offense so well he taught it to his new OC in the off season.  This year, they have a true frosh QB.  Either they got super lucky in their QB recruiting, or they will drop off this year.  Not saying they will suck, but to say that a frosh will replace Weeden with no drop off is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  Like, really Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Not disagreeing, but it's not like they're stuck with a true frosh.  If he starts, it's because he beat out a rs-junior in Chelf who has played mop up duty the past two seasons.  Plus Lunt is pretty rough ridin' good
even for a true frosh: A two-time state champion in Illinois...Missed the early portion of his senior season with injury but returned to throw for 3,650 yards and 31 touchdowns and just four interceptions while completing 73 percent of his throws ... Set a state record with a 590-yard passing game ... Also holds Illinois high school records for passing yards and completions in a state championship game ... Over his last two seasons he amassed more than 7,000 passing yards, had 65 touchdown passes and
just eight interceptions.  He can rough ridin' sling it. 

Certainly some drop off is to be expected though.  Weeden was a grown ass man.

Seriously had no idea they played football in the state if Illinois.  Knowing this true freshman is from
Illinois, I'm fairly certain we beat osu by 21.

 :dubious: :shakesfist:  I played football in Illinois and I can assure you it was very elite.

If it was so elite, then what was your rivals star rating?

I said Illinois high school football was elite, not me personally, though I may very well have been.  I graduated in 1998, therefor I antedate stars.  We'll never know what my star rating might have been.  No game film; alas my parents weren't videotapers.  Who can say, Nuts Kicked?  We can't rule it out. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: pissclams on July 31, 2012, 08:54:06 AM
OSU fans are apparently very sensitive about this. TMB posters had issues as well.

those rednecks are sensitive about everything.  imagine living under OU's shadow your entire life.  would be terrible (think KU football fans but worse).
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: treysolid on July 31, 2012, 08:54:52 AM
OSU's QB knew the offense so well he taught it to his new OC in the off season.  This year, they have a true frosh QB.  Either they got super lucky in their QB recruiting, or they will drop off this year.  Not saying they will suck, but to say that a frosh will replace Weeden with no drop off is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  Like, really Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Not disagreeing, but it's not like they're stuck with a true frosh.  If he starts, it's because he beat out a rs-junior in Chelf who has played mop up duty the past two seasons.  Plus Lunt is pretty rough ridin' good
even for a true frosh: A two-time state champion in Illinois...Missed the early portion of his senior season with injury but returned to throw for 3,650 yards and 31 touchdowns and just four interceptions while completing 73 percent of his throws ... Set a state record with a 590-yard passing game ... Also holds Illinois high school records for passing yards and completions in a state championship game ... Over his last two seasons he amassed more than 7,000 passing yards, had 65 touchdown passes and
just eight interceptions.  He can rough ridin' sling it. 

Certainly some drop off is to be expected though.  Weeden was a grown ass man.

Seriously had no idea they played football in the state if Illinois.  Knowing this true freshman is from
Illinois, I'm fairly certain we beat osu by 21.

 :dubious: :shakesfist:  I played football in Illinois and I can assure you it was very elite.

If it was so elite, then what was your rivals star rating?

I said Illinois high school football was elite, not me personally, though I may very well have been.  I graduated in 1998, therefor I antedate stars.  We'll never know what my star rating might have been.  No game film; alas my parents weren't videotapers.  Who can say, Nuts Kicked?  We can't rule it out.

I will ascertain your potential football eliteness. what high school did you go to?
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: MadCat on July 31, 2012, 08:59:14 AM
OSU's QB knew the offense so well he taught it to his new OC in the off season.  This year, they have a true frosh QB.  Either they got super lucky in their QB recruiting, or they will drop off this year.  Not saying they will suck, but to say that a frosh will replace Weeden with no drop off is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  Like, really Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Not disagreeing, but it's not like they're stuck with a true frosh.  If he starts, it's because he beat out a rs-junior in Chelf who has played mop up duty the past two seasons.  Plus Lunt is pretty rough ridin' good
even for a true frosh: A two-time state champion in Illinois...Missed the early portion of his senior season with injury but returned to throw for 3,650 yards and 31 touchdowns and just four interceptions while completing 73 percent of his throws ... Set a state record with a 590-yard passing game ... Also holds Illinois high school records for passing yards and completions in a state championship game ... Over his last two seasons he amassed more than 7,000 passing yards, had 65 touchdown passes and
just eight interceptions.  He can rough ridin' sling it. 

Certainly some drop off is to be expected though.  Weeden was a grown ass man.

Seriously had no idea they played football in the state if Illinois.  Knowing this true freshman is from
Illinois, I'm fairly certain we beat osu by 21.

 :dubious: :shakesfist:  I played football in Illinois and I can assure you it was very elite.

If it was so elite, then what was your rivals star rating?

I said Illinois high school football was elite, not me personally, though I may very well have been.  I graduated in 1998, therefor I antedate stars.  We'll never know what my star rating might have been.  No game film; alas my parents weren't videotapers.  Who can say, Nuts Kicked?  We can't rule it out.

I will ascertain your potential football eliteness. what high school did you go to?

Mr. Bread, if it's the Fisher Bunnies you deserve at least 2 stars by default, IMO.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on July 31, 2012, 09:00:11 AM
OSU fans are apparently very sensitive about this. TMB posters had issues as well.

those rednecks are sensitive about everything.  imagine living under OU's shadow your entire life.  would be terrible (think KU football fans but worse).

man, thanks for putting this in perspective for me pissclams. T's and P's pokes.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Mr Bread on July 31, 2012, 09:41:47 AM
It was a smaller school, 2A of 6A at the time if I'm not mistaken.  I believe they've split it up into 8 divisions now.  We played in the Prairieland Conference, which has been jumbled around membership-wise since then.  We won it all four years I played (won it outright twice, tied for first twice), thus making the playoffs every season.  I believe we also won it several years before (consecutive that is) and at least the year after I graduated.  The farthest we advanced was the state semi-finals.  We were one of the smallest 2A schools enrollment-wise at the time.  Always hovering on the cusp of dropping down to 1A.  I'm fairly sure they're 1A of 8A now.  Adds to our eliteness argument at the time.  Ultimately we would always run into a program in the playoffs that had massive lines (relatively speaking), one thing we never had.  We hit really rough ridin' hard, but if you can't control the line of scrimmage you're doomed. 

The Illinois football comments we're tongue in cheek of course. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 31, 2012, 10:10:30 AM
It was a smaller school, 2A of 6A at the time if I'm not mistaken.  I believe they've split it up into 8 divisions now.  We played in the Prairieland Conference, which has been jumbled around membership-wise since then.  We won it all four years I played (won it outright twice, tied for first twice), thus making the playoffs every season.  I believe we also won it several years before (consecutive that is) and at least the year after I graduated.  The farthest we advanced was the state semi-finals.  We were one of the smallest 2A schools enrollment-wise at the time.  Always hovering on the cusp of dropping down to 1A.  I'm fairly sure they're 1A of 8A now.  Adds to our eliteness argument at the time.  Ultimately we would always run into a program in the playoffs that had massive lines (relatively speaking), one thing we never had.  We hit really rough ridin' hard, but if you can't control the line of scrimmage you're doomed. 

The Illinois football comments we're tongue in cheek of course.

Oh man I love me some good 8-man football!  :excited:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: treysolid on July 31, 2012, 10:12:34 AM
It was a smaller school, 2A of 6A at the time if I'm not mistaken.  I believe they've split it up into 8 divisions now.  We played in the Prairieland Conference, which has been jumbled around membership-wise since then.  We won it all four years I played (won it outright twice, tied for first twice), thus making the playoffs every season.  I believe we also won it several years before (consecutive that is) and at least the year after I graduated.  The farthest we advanced was the state semi-finals.  We were one of the smallest 2A schools enrollment-wise at the time.  Always hovering on the cusp of dropping down to 1A.  I'm fairly sure they're 1A of 8A now.  Adds to our eliteness argument at the time.  Ultimately we would always run into a program in the playoffs that had massive lines (relatively speaking), one thing we never had.  We hit really rough ridin' hard, but if you can't control the line of scrimmage you're doomed. 

The Illinois football comments we're tongue in cheek of course.

Hmmm... I'm going to guess either Brimfield-Elmwood or Abingdon. Would you have beaten Metamora? Probably not. Not 8-man fanning, IL schools do co-ops to field full teams.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: ben ji on July 31, 2012, 10:13:05 AM
It was a smaller school, 2A of 6A at the time if I'm not mistaken.  I believe they've split it up into 8 divisions now.  We played in the Prairieland Conference, which has been jumbled around membership-wise since then.  We won it all four years I played (won it outright twice, tied for first twice), thus making the playoffs every season.  I believe we also won it several years before (consecutive that is) and at least the year after I graduated.  The farthest we advanced was the state semi-finals.  We were one of the smallest 2A schools enrollment-wise at the time.  Always hovering on the cusp of dropping down to 1A.  I'm fairly sure they're 1A of 8A now.  Adds to our eliteness argument at the time.  Ultimately we would always run into a program in the playoffs that had massive lines (relatively speaking), one thing we never had.  We hit really rough ridin' hard, but if you can't control the line of scrimmage you're doomed. 

The Illinois football comments we're tongue in cheek of course.

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Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Mr Bread on July 31, 2012, 10:17:03 AM
It was a smaller school, 2A of 6A at the time if I'm not mistaken.  I believe they've split it up into 8 divisions now.  We played in the Prairieland Conference, which has been jumbled around membership-wise since then.  We won it all four years I played (won it outright twice, tied for first twice), thus making the playoffs every season.  I believe we also won it several years before (consecutive that is) and at least the year after I graduated.  The farthest we advanced was the state semi-finals.  We were one of the smallest 2A schools enrollment-wise at the time.  Always hovering on the cusp of dropping down to 1A.  I'm fairly sure they're 1A of 8A now.  Adds to our eliteness argument at the time.  Ultimately we would always run into a program in the playoffs that had massive lines (relatively speaking), one thing we never had.  We hit really rough ridin' hard, but if you can't control the line of scrimmage you're doomed. 

The Illinois football comments we're tongue in cheek of course.

Oh man I love me some good 8-man football!  :excited:

It was flag football dipshit.  An aristocrat's game, something I'm certain you wouldn't know a thing about.  Served you right up.  :dance:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Mr Bread on July 31, 2012, 10:24:03 AM
It was a smaller school, 2A of 6A at the time if I'm not mistaken.  I believe they've split it up into 8 divisions now.  We played in the Prairieland Conference, which has been jumbled around membership-wise since then.  We won it all four years I played (won it outright twice, tied for first twice), thus making the playoffs every season.  I believe we also won it several years before (consecutive that is) and at least the year after I graduated.  The farthest we advanced was the state semi-finals.  We were one of the smallest 2A schools enrollment-wise at the time.  Always hovering on the cusp of dropping down to 1A.  I'm fairly sure they're 1A of 8A now.  Adds to our eliteness argument at the time.  Ultimately we would always run into a program in the playoffs that had massive lines (relatively speaking), one thing we never had.  We hit really rough ridin' hard, but if you can't control the line of scrimmage you're doomed. 

The Illinois football comments we're tongue in cheek of course.

Hmmm... I'm going to guess either Brimfield-Elmwood or Abingdon. Would you have beaten Metamora? Probably not. Not 8-man fanning, IL schools do co-ops to field full teams.

Metamora was 4A, never played them.  Elmwood was garbage back then, at least as far as I can remember, and no on Abingdon though they were always good. 
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Mr Bread on July 31, 2012, 10:25:27 AM
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A question was asked, ben ji.  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: treysolid on July 31, 2012, 10:40:06 AM
It was a smaller school, 2A of 6A at the time if I'm not mistaken.  I believe they've split it up into 8 divisions now.  We played in the Prairieland Conference, which has been jumbled around membership-wise since then.  We won it all four years I played (won it outright twice, tied for first twice), thus making the playoffs every season.  I believe we also won it several years before (consecutive that is) and at least the year after I graduated.  The farthest we advanced was the state semi-finals.  We were one of the smallest 2A schools enrollment-wise at the time.  Always hovering on the cusp of dropping down to 1A.  I'm fairly sure they're 1A of 8A now.  Adds to our eliteness argument at the time.  Ultimately we would always run into a program in the playoffs that had massive lines (relatively speaking), one thing we never had.  We hit really rough ridin' hard, but if you can't control the line of scrimmage you're doomed. 

The Illinois football comments we're tongue in cheek of course.

Hmmm... I'm going to guess either Brimfield-Elmwood or Abingdon. Would you have beaten Metamora? Probably not. Not 8-man fanning, IL schools do co-ops to field full teams.

Metamora was 4A, never played them.  Elmwood was garbage back then, at least as far as I can remember, and no on Abingdon though they were always good.

Heights!?!  :excited: :drool: :excited: :drool:
No, wait, you guys didn't have Heights back then. Nevermind.
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: Mr Bread on July 31, 2012, 11:04:47 AM
It was a smaller school, 2A of 6A at the time if I'm not mistaken.  I believe they've split it up into 8 divisions now.  We played in the Prairieland Conference, which has been jumbled around membership-wise since then.  We won it all four years I played (won it outright twice, tied for first twice), thus making the playoffs every season.  I believe we also won it several years before (consecutive that is) and at least the year after I graduated.  The farthest we advanced was the state semi-finals.  We were one of the smallest 2A schools enrollment-wise at the time.  Always hovering on the cusp of dropping down to 1A.  I'm fairly sure they're 1A of 8A now.  Adds to our eliteness argument at the time.  Ultimately we would always run into a program in the playoffs that had massive lines (relatively speaking), one thing we never had.  We hit really rough ridin' hard, but if you can't control the line of scrimmage you're doomed. 

The Illinois football comments we're tongue in cheek of course.

Hmmm... I'm going to guess either Brimfield-Elmwood or Abingdon. Would you have beaten Metamora? Probably not. Not 8-man fanning, IL schools do co-ops to field full teams.

Metamora was 4A, never played them.  Elmwood was garbage back then, at least as far as I can remember, and no on Abingdon though they were always good.

Heights!?!  :excited: :drool: :excited: :drool:
No, wait, you guys didn't have Heights back then. Nevermind.

Yeah, we played Peoria Heights.  We routinely dick stomped them.  They were terrible even with Ronnie Foster.   
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: j-dub on July 31, 2012, 11:24:07 AM
we'll be top 3 bro's. we are all gonna be so very happy  :dance:
Title: Re: 6th in the Big 12?
Post by: treysolid on July 31, 2012, 11:55:19 AM
It was a smaller school, 2A of 6A at the time if I'm not mistaken.  I believe they've split it up into 8 divisions now.  We played in the Prairieland Conference, which has been jumbled around membership-wise since then.  We won it all four years I played (won it outright twice, tied for first twice), thus making the playoffs every season.  I believe we also won it several years before (consecutive that is) and at least the year after I graduated.  The farthest we advanced was the state semi-finals.  We were one of the smallest 2A schools enrollment-wise at the time.  Always hovering on the cusp of dropping down to 1A.  I'm fairly sure they're 1A of 8A now.  Adds to our eliteness argument at the time.  Ultimately we would always run into a program in the playoffs that had massive lines (relatively speaking), one thing we never had.  We hit really rough ridin' hard, but if you can't control the line of scrimmage you're doomed. 

The Illinois football comments we're tongue in cheek of course.

Hmmm... I'm going to guess either Brimfield-Elmwood or Abingdon. Would you have beaten Metamora? Probably not. Not 8-man fanning, IL schools do co-ops to field full teams.

Metamora was 4A, never played them.  Elmwood was garbage back then, at least as far as I can remember, and no on Abingdon though they were always good.

Heights!?!  :excited: :drool: :excited: :drool:
No, wait, you guys didn't have Heights back then. Nevermind.

Yeah, we played Peoria Heights.  We routinely dick stomped them.  They were terrible even with Ronnie Foster.

For a split second I was hoping that you were Ronnie Foster.