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Title: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Chonchito on April 02, 2012, 01:23:49 PM
in the Union. There were 5 girls taking a campus visit. They spotted him and asked him to take some pics.

They were all  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:

I was all  :love:  :ksu:

He was all  :cool:

I hope he stays like seriously
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: buttsbuttsbutts on April 02, 2012, 01:27:44 PM
in the Union. There were 5 girls taking a campus visit. They spotted him and asked him to take some pics.

They were all  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:  :love:

I was all  :love:  :ksu:

He was all  :cool:

I hope he stays like seriously

I love him too much for him to be a part of the trainwreck that is about to occur.  Go to Louisville, Angel, and play in Final Fours for a Hall of Fame coach.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Winters on April 02, 2012, 01:55:06 PM
I'd probably go on another one of my rampage's if angel leaves
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: CNS on April 02, 2012, 01:59:25 PM
I'd probably go on another one of my rampage's if angel leaves

Louisville wanted him, right?  I mean, how does he not go there considering our cluster eff and their Final Four?
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: JKEYS on April 02, 2012, 02:01:04 PM
I'd probably go on another one of my rampage's if angel leaves

No Angel = no "sweet 16 run" for BAM.  Depending on which side of the fence you are on, this could be a good thing for us in the long run. 

Short term pain for long term gain. *






* = I really hope he stays tho
Title: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Chonchito on April 02, 2012, 02:03:38 PM
Oh man never thought if it that way.I still can't stomach the thought of seeing Angel And1ing fools for the next 3 yrs at Lewisville.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 02, 2012, 02:08:38 PM
I'd probably go on another one of my rampage's if angel leaves

Louisville wanted him, right?  I mean, how does he not go there considering our cluster eff and their Final Four?

What is Louisville's scholarship situation? Pitino may not be willing to run off one of his players to make room for Angel, especially considering that Angel wouldn't be eligible to play next year.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: CNS on April 02, 2012, 02:10:41 PM
I'd probably go on another one of my rampage's if angel leaves

Louisville wanted him, right?  I mean, how does he not go there considering our cluster eff and their Final Four?

What is Louisville's scholarship situation? Pitino may not be willing to run off one of his players to make room for Angel, especially considering that Angel wouldn't be eligible to play next year.

It may not be Louisville, but I have a very hard time believing Angel returns, and he played more than well enough to go to a tourny team.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Skipper44 on April 02, 2012, 02:10:54 PM
I'd probably go on another one of my rampage's if angel leaves

Louisville wanted him, right?  I mean, how does he not go there considering our cluster eff and their Final Four?

What is Louisville's scholarship situation? Pitino may not be willing to run off one of his players to make room for Angel, especially considering that Angel wouldn't be eligible to play next year.
Angel's smartest move is to find a juco that will give him a scholarship to redshirt and then he will be a 3 to play 3 guy.  I am sure Shaky and Art can set him up at Dade if he wants to to to S. Carolina
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: steve dave on April 02, 2012, 02:14:27 PM
I'd probably go on another one of my rampage's if angel leaves

Louisville wanted him, right?  I mean, how does he not go there considering our cluster eff and their Final Four?

What is Louisville's scholarship situation? Pitino may not be willing to run off one of his players to make room for Angel, especially considering that Angel wouldn't be eligible to play next year.
Angel's smartest move is to find a juco that will give him a scholarship to redshirt and then he will be a 3 to play 3 guy.  I am sure Shaky and Art can set him up at Dade if he wants to to to S. Carolina

he can get to louisville and redshirt a year and have three to play three anyway. 
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: EMAW SP8 on April 02, 2012, 02:17:23 PM
Peyton Siva is a senior, doubt he would beat him out for the starting spot.

But he has his redshirt like SD said and he would fall right into the starting job after Siva leaves next year...eff  :bang:
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Skipper44 on April 02, 2012, 02:18:58 PM
I'd probably go on another one of my rampage's if angel leaves

Louisville wanted him, right?  I mean, how does he not go there considering our cluster eff and their Final Four?

What is Louisville's scholarship situation? Pitino may not be willing to run off one of his players to make room for Angel, especially considering that Angel wouldn't be eligible to play next year.
Angel's smartest move is to find a juco that will give him a scholarship to redshirt and then he will be a 3 to play 3 guy.  I am sure Shaky and Art can set him up at Dade if he wants to to to S. Carolina

he can get to louisville and redshirt a year and have three to play three anyway.
true, but he doesn't waste a scholarship for that year and more importantly, isn't constrained by getting a release from John Currie.

Man, does Currie hate EMAW enough to give Angel an unconditional release?
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 02, 2012, 02:20:35 PM
I'd probably go on another one of my rampage's if angel leaves

Louisville wanted him, right?  I mean, how does he not go there considering our cluster eff and their Final Four?

What is Louisville's scholarship situation? Pitino may not be willing to run off one of his players to make room for Angel, especially considering that Angel wouldn't be eligible to play next year.
Angel's smartest move is to find a juco that will give him a scholarship to redshirt and then he will be a 3 to play 3 guy.  I am sure Shaky and Art can set him up at Dade if he wants to to to S. Carolina

he can get to louisville and redshirt a year and have three to play three anyway.
true, but he doesn't waste a scholarship for that year and more importantly, isn't constrained by getting a release from John Currie.

Man, does Currie hate EMAW enough to give Angel an unconditional release?

He should give players releases when they request them. That's what good people do. Currie is not a good person, though, so who knows what he will do.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: kitten_mittons on April 02, 2012, 02:55:07 PM
Guys, I'm not even rough ridin' kidding.  If we lose angel, I'm getting season tickets and wearing the visiting team's colors and cheering my ass off for them every game.  If you do not plan on doing this, then turn in your EMAW card.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 02, 2012, 02:56:24 PM
Guys, I'm not even rough ridin' kidding.  If we lose angel, I'm getting season tickets and wearing the visiting team's colors and cheering my ass off for them every game.  If you do not plan on doing this, then turn in your EMAW card.

Yeah, let's support the school financially but then root against them. That'll show Currie. :flush:
Title: Re: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: kitten_mittons on April 02, 2012, 02:58:05 PM
Guys, I'm not even rough ridin' kidding.  If we lose angel, I'm getting season tickets and wearing the visiting team's colors and cheering my ass off for them every game.  If you do not plan on doing this, then turn in your EMAW card.

Yeah, let's support the school financially but then root against them. That'll show Currie. :flush:
Hey, dumbfuck, do you want us to be poor when we get currie fired?
Title: Re: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 02, 2012, 03:06:14 PM
Guys, I'm not even rough ridin' kidding.  If we lose angel, I'm getting season tickets and wearing the visiting team's colors and cheering my ass off for them every game.  If you do not plan on doing this, then turn in your EMAW card.

Yeah, let's support the school financially but then root against them. That'll show Currie. :flush:
Hey, dumbfuck, do you want us to be poor when we get currie fired?

You won't get Currie fired if you keep giving the school money.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on April 02, 2012, 03:09:11 PM
Doods, I know I'm swimming upstream here, but I hope Angel stays and plays well for the Q@s.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: steve dave on April 02, 2012, 03:09:34 PM
Doods, I know I'm swimming upstream here, but I hope Angel stays and plays well for the Q@s.   :dunno:

Me too GOSP. 
Title: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Chonchito on April 02, 2012, 04:41:11 PM
I can't imagine BeBop and Rocksteady talking him into staying but then again, weirder crap has happened..............right?
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 02, 2012, 04:42:48 PM
Doods, I know I'm swimming upstream here, but I hope Angel stays and plays well for the Q@s.   :dunno:

Yeah, I don't get the people wanting our players to transfer. I don't think Weber is capable of succeeding, but that doesn't mean I want him to fail. I don't buy a lottery ticket and then hope I don't win.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: CNS on April 02, 2012, 04:44:11 PM
Doods, I know I'm swimming upstream here, but I hope Angel stays and plays well for the Q@s.   :dunno:

Yeah, I don't get the people wanting our players to transfer. I don't think Weber is capable of succeeding, but that doesn't mean I want him to fail. I don't buy a lottery ticket and then hope I don't win.

You didn't buy this lottery ticket.  you were on your way into the gas station to do so, but then some bum mugged you and bought the ticket for himself. 
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: doom on April 02, 2012, 04:46:34 PM
Doods, I know I'm swimming upstream here, but I hope Angel stays and plays well for the Q@s.   :dunno:

Yeah, I don't get the people wanting our players to transfer. I don't think Weber is capable of succeeding, but that doesn't mean I want him to fail. I don't buy a lottery ticket and then hope I don't win.

You didn't buy this lottery ticket.  you were on your way into the gas station to do so, but then some bum mugged you and bought the ticket for himself.

And gave you a ticket someone else had ripped in half and he'd wiped his ass with. 
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 02, 2012, 04:46:55 PM
Doods, I know I'm swimming upstream here, but I hope Angel stays and plays well for the Q@s.   :dunno:

Yeah, I don't get the people wanting our players to transfer. I don't think Weber is capable of succeeding, but that doesn't mean I want him to fail. I don't buy a lottery ticket and then hope I don't win.

You didn't buy this lottery ticket.  you were on your way into the gas station to do so, but then some bum mugged you and bought the ticket for himself.

I still would love for Weber to prove me wrong. First of all, success would get him out of Manhattan much quicker than failure. Secondly, I would get to enjoy the success. Currie needs to go regardless of what happens with Weber.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: doom on April 02, 2012, 04:51:03 PM
Doods, I know I'm swimming upstream here, but I hope Angel stays and plays well for the Q@s.   :dunno:

Yeah, I don't get the people wanting our players to transfer. I don't think Weber is capable of succeeding, but that doesn't mean I want him to fail. I don't buy a lottery ticket and then hope I don't win.

You didn't buy this lottery ticket.  you were on your way into the gas station to do so, but then some bum mugged you and bought the ticket for himself.

I still would love for Weber to prove me wrong. First of all, success would get him out of Manhattan much quicker than failure. Secondly, I would get to enjoy the success. Currie needs to go regardless of what happens with Weber.

It didn't get him out of champagne. 
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 02, 2012, 04:55:09 PM
Doods, I know I'm swimming upstream here, but I hope Angel stays and plays well for the Q@s.   :dunno:

Yeah, I don't get the people wanting our players to transfer. I don't think Weber is capable of succeeding, but that doesn't mean I want him to fail. I don't buy a lottery ticket and then hope I don't win.

You didn't buy this lottery ticket.  you were on your way into the gas station to do so, but then some bum mugged you and bought the ticket for himself.

I still would love for Weber to prove me wrong. First of all, success would get him out of Manhattan much quicker than failure. Secondly, I would get to enjoy the success. Currie needs to go regardless of what happens with Weber.

It didn't get him out of champagne.

He's from Wisconsin, and coached at Southern Illinois, so he probably thought much more highly of the Illinois job than he thinks of the K-State job. If we don't give him fan support and he makes a deep tourney run this year, I could see him jumping to the first lateral move that gives him a call. We just have to  :crossfingers: that a good fit comes open. If he fails, Currie won't fire him for at least 3-4 years, and by then it will be way too late to hire a good coach.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Barry McCockner on April 02, 2012, 04:57:37 PM
Doods, I know I'm swimming upstream here, but I hope Angel stays and plays well for the Q@s.   :dunno:

Yeah, I don't get the people wanting our players to transfer. I don't think Weber is capable of succeeding, but that doesn't mean I want him to fail. I don't buy a lottery ticket and then hope I don't win.

You didn't buy this lottery ticket.  you were on your way into the gas station to do so, but then some bum mugged you and bought the ticket for himself.

I still would love for Weber to prove me wrong. First of all, success would get him out of Manhattan much quicker than failure. Secondly, I would get to enjoy the success. Currie needs to go regardless of what happens with Weber.

That needs to be our focus.  We can't get Weber fired in the near future, but it is vitally important that Currie is gone when Weber (or Snyder) leave, regardless of the circumstances.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Berries and Cream on April 02, 2012, 05:01:22 PM
Umm, hey guys, if oscar Weber succeeds we probably will want to keep him because, you know, he's succeeding.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 02, 2012, 05:04:21 PM
Umm, hey guys, if oscar Weber succeeds we probably will want to keep him because, you know, he's succeeding.  :dunno:

Well, he should succeed this year because he's inheriting a very talented roster. Any transfers that we have are completely his fault for not being able to keep them on the roster. If he misses the tournament, he should be fired on the spot, and if he doesn't at least get to the second round, he should be on thin ice.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: doom on April 02, 2012, 05:10:01 PM
thid roster is really being overhyped.  We sucked offensively.  If Rodney bails.   :flush:
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 02, 2012, 05:11:37 PM
thid roster is really being overhyped.  We sucked offensively.  If Rodney bails.   :flush:

If Rodney fails it's Weber's fault for being too shitty to keep him on the roster. Weber should get no credit for defections. They are a bad thing. Frank would have had this team primed for a sweet 16 run. The same should be expected for the guy we decided to pay more than Frank.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: AzCat on April 02, 2012, 05:18:47 PM
If he misses the tournament, he should be fired on the spot, and if he doesn't at least get to the second round, he should be on thin ice.

Yes and then no.  He should definitely be fired on the spot if he whiffs on the tournament and / or finishes below 5th in the Big XII.  But he should also be fired if he doesn't make the Sweet Sixteen.  That seems to be the established baseline expectation for the returning team so unless Weber is a pure drag on the talent that's already here, that is - unless he actually makes them worse, he should perform to expectations and take the team to at least the Sweet Sixteen.  Anything less and he should be canned immediately.  And, of course, if he's actually adding anything to the mix he'll take this team further than the Sweet Sixteen (otherwise he's purely dead weight). 
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: joda on April 02, 2012, 08:30:18 PM
If he misses the tournament, he should be fired on the spot, and if he doesn't at least get to the second round, he should be on thin ice.

Yes and then no.  He should definitely be fired on the spot if he whiffs on the tournament and / or finishes below 5th in the Big XII.  But he should also be fired if he doesn't make the Sweet Sixteen.  That seems to be the established baseline expectation for the returning team so unless Weber is a pure drag on the talent that's already here, that is - unless he actually makes them worse, he should perform to expectations and take the team to at least the Sweet Sixteen.  Anything less and he should be canned immediately.  And, of course, if he's actually adding anything to the mix he'll take this team further than the Sweet Sixteen (otherwise he's purely dead weight).

I think sweet 16 is what he has to reach to start getting any support from the non-tuck fanbase. Anything beyond that, coupled with positive recruiting may start to win some of us over. A tournament appearance with anything less than a sweet 16 doesn't get him fired, but it keeps definitely doesn't buy him any love. Anything less than that (especially if there's no signs of positive recruiting) should not be tolerated.

However, the reality is that with our fanbase this isn't what happens. He actually has a pretty good situation here. If he keeps the roster we have, he's pretty much guaranteed a tournament appearance and probably a couple wins which results in him earning more time from the majority of our fanbase. If several key players leave, even though he should be held responsible for that he won't be. Our fans might actually grant him more time if that happens than if he'd somehow manage to final 4. And if he happens to beat KU next year we might as well accept that no matter what happens he's our coach for at least 5 or 6 years.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 02, 2012, 08:50:50 PM
If he misses the tournament, he should be fired on the spot, and if he doesn't at least get to the second round, he should be on thin ice.

Yes and then no.  He should definitely be fired on the spot if he whiffs on the tournament and / or finishes below 5th in the Big XII.  But he should also be fired if he doesn't make the Sweet Sixteen.  That seems to be the established baseline expectation for the returning team so unless Weber is a pure drag on the talent that's already here, that is - unless he actually makes them worse, he should perform to expectations and take the team to at least the Sweet Sixteen.  Anything less and he should be canned immediately.  And, of course, if he's actually adding anything to the mix he'll take this team further than the Sweet Sixteen (otherwise he's purely dead weight).

I think sweet 16 is what he has to reach to start getting any support from the non-tuck fanbase. Anything beyond that, coupled with positive recruiting may start to win some of us over. A tournament appearance with anything less than a sweet 16 doesn't get him fired, but it keeps definitely doesn't buy him any love. Anything less than that (especially if there's no signs of positive recruiting) should not be tolerated.

However, the reality is that with our fanbase this isn't what happens. He actually has a pretty good situation here. If he keeps the roster we have, he's pretty much guaranteed a tournament appearance and probably a couple wins which results in him earning more time from the majority of our fanbase. If several key players leave, even though he should be held responsible for that he won't be. Our fans might actually grant him more time if that happens than if he'd somehow manage to final 4. And if he happens to beat KU next year we might as well accept that no matter what happens he's our coach for at least 5 or 6 years.

Sadly, I agree with everything you just said. If he managed a final 4, though, we wouldn't have to worry about how much time the tucks give him because he would take the first offer out of town. I think he is gone with an elite 8, and that is what I'm praying for.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: doom on April 02, 2012, 08:55:06 PM
If he misses the tournament, he should be fired on the spot, and if he doesn't at least get to the second round, he should be on thin ice.

Yes and then no.  He should definitely be fired on the spot if he whiffs on the tournament and / or finishes below 5th in the Big XII.  But he should also be fired if he doesn't make the Sweet Sixteen.  That seems to be the established baseline expectation for the returning team so unless Weber is a pure drag on the talent that's already here, that is - unless he actually makes them worse, he should perform to expectations and take the team to at least the Sweet Sixteen.  Anything less and he should be canned immediately.  And, of course, if he's actually adding anything to the mix he'll take this team further than the Sweet Sixteen (otherwise he's purely dead weight).

I think sweet 16 is what he has to reach to start getting any support from the non-tuck fanbase. Anything beyond that, coupled with positive recruiting may start to win some of us over. A tournament appearance with anything less than a sweet 16 doesn't get him fired, but it keeps definitely doesn't buy him any love. Anything less than that (especially if there's no signs of positive recruiting) should not be tolerated.

However, the reality is that with our fanbase this isn't what happens. He actually has a pretty good situation here. If he keeps the roster we have, he's pretty much guaranteed a tournament appearance and probably a couple wins which results in him earning more time from the majority of our fanbase. If several key players leave, even though he should be held responsible for that he won't be. Our fans might actually grant him more time if that happens than if he'd somehow manage to final 4. And if he happens to beat KU next year we might as well accept that no matter what happens he's our coach for at least 5 or 6 years.

Sadly, I agree with everything you just said. If he managed a final 4, though, we wouldn't have to worry about how much time the tucks give him because he would take the first offer out of town. I think he is gone with an elite 8, and that is what I'm praying for.

He will never leave.  ever
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: CNS on April 02, 2012, 08:55:52 PM
Disagree on him jumping if he gets a deep run.  I mean, AD's have seen the oscar Weber Takes A Job show before, right?  oscar will have to be successful for 4yrs min with good recruiting as a key component to decent tourney performance before he gets offers above our level.  I mean, he ran Illinois in the ground within only a few years after making a very deep run, and was looking at either working for College of Charlotte(or some crap) or a year off this year. 

Unless he wins an NC, he is here for a while.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Barry McCockner on April 02, 2012, 08:56:44 PM
I care less about Weber's performance every minute, outside of the fact that it reflects upon Currie.  I don't want him hiring the next fball or mbball coach at K-State, and am taking measures to prevent that possibility.
Title: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: kso_FAN on April 02, 2012, 08:57:06 PM
oscar is 55 years old. He's going to be K-State's coach as long as we'll have him.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: purplenutz on April 02, 2012, 09:36:17 PM
thid roster is really being overhyped.  We sucked offensively.  If Rodney bails.   :flush:

If Rodney fails it's Weber's fault for being too shitty to keep him on the roster. Weber should get no credit for defections. They are a bad thing. Frank would have had this team primed for a sweet 16 run. The same should be expected for the guy we decided to pay more than Frank.

"Frank would have had this team primed for a sweet 16 run"

Sure :surprised:
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Katpappy on April 02, 2012, 09:54:13 PM
thid roster is really being overhyped.  We sucked offensively.  If Rodney bails.   :flush:

If Rodney fails it's Weber's fault for being too shitty to keep him on the roster. Weber should get no credit for defections. They are a bad thing. Frank would have had this team primed for a sweet 16 run. The same should be expected for the guy we decided to pay more than Frank.

"Frank would have had this team primed for a sweet 16 run"

Sure :surprised:
I'm all confused with the train of thought here.  Wasn't there going to be defections with our roster.  How's Frank gona win without his players?  :confused:
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: sys on April 02, 2012, 10:01:42 PM
Wasn't there going to be defections with our roster.  How's Frank gona win without his players?  :confused:

in case you haven't figured it out by now, currie lies.  constantly.



run, ar-t.  run to freedom.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Katpappy on April 02, 2012, 10:04:58 PM
Wasn't there going to be defections with our roster.  How's Frank gona win without his players?  :confused:

in case you haven't figured it out by now, currie lies.  constantly.



run, ar-t.  run to freedom.
Was Currie the only one saying this?  Thought this discussion took place before Frank left.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: sys on April 02, 2012, 10:13:01 PM
Thought this discussion took place before Frank left.

it's not like currie just woke up one fine late march day and thought to himself "i'll be darned if i don't hate my basketball coach!"  he's been playing for this a long, long time.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Skipper44 on April 02, 2012, 10:17:14 PM
in his interview with Weber, Kietz mentioned  players going to Currie and threatening to transfer if Frank was back.  It would seem to be a safe assumption that Spradling was one of the mutineers, would love to know the others...
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: j-dub on April 02, 2012, 10:17:38 PM
Wasn't there going to be defections with our roster.  How's Frank gona win without his players?  :confused:

in case you haven't figured it out by now, currie lies.  constantly.



run, ar-t.  run to freedom.

yep. if angel leaves we win 18 next year max. burn it down.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 02, 2012, 11:34:41 PM
Wasn't there going to be defections with our roster.  How's Frank gona win without his players?  :confused:

in case you haven't figured it out by now, currie lies.  constantly.



run, ar-t.  run to freedom.

Yeah. It's possible that that story is true, but it's much more likely it was just made up.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: ksupamplemousse on April 02, 2012, 11:54:10 PM
Doods, I know I'm swimming upstream here, but I hope Angel stays and plays well for the Q@s.   :dunno:

Me too GOSP.

Steve Dave and GOSP are about the only EMAW hoops fans with any balls right now. The rest of you can sit and spin. EMAW  :ksu:
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: naturalselection on April 03, 2012, 12:12:25 AM
Yeah. It's possible that that story is true, but it's much more likely it was just made up.

Like most good lies, I have no doubt there was some truth to it.  Like most stories my guess is it is being exaggerated with the retelling.  Will Spradling was going to transfer, of this there can be little doubt.  Which probably would have marked the first transfer out of the program that Frank did not want gone (maybe Dom?).  When players you want to stay chose to leave, that is certainly a negative sign.  Were there others that went to the ad (in season I might add) to say they were also going to transfer?  Quite possibly, but there would have been 1-2-3 guys not brought back anyway.  I would be interested to see how many of the guys who were part of the "mutiny" were names I would have put on the probably not back list anyway. 

Honestly, the way Frank ran his revolving door roster was grating.  I'm sure there were many posters here who growled at his "we're young" talk every season, when he was the main reason we were young in the first place.  I was amazed that there wasn't more player blow back against it (seeing friends they thought they'd play with 2/3 more years gone season after season).  I think the "plan" is to build off of what we all saw and push it a little farther.  Lead us to believe that THIS was going to be the season that it would all come crashing down. 

That narrative might have floated too with a better coaching hire.  I could buy that the way Frank ran his roster could not be sustained indefinitely.  At some point he would have to change a little, or it wouldn't work anymore.  eff though if we didn't hire a bumbler that has me wanting to watch Frank burn it down (even if that was the case) more then him take it apart brick by brick. 

That staff moving to USC in total also doesn't help the narrative.  But you can see shades of the story starting to change.  Could be starting to move more toward "evil staff" instead of just "evil Frank".  Will be interested to see if the character assassination starts in on others.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 03, 2012, 12:15:18 AM
I know Spradling was leaving, but none of us know who else was leaving. We had about 3 transfers every year under Frank, and it seemed like there was always a rumored transfer that ended up staying. The "mass defection" probably would have been Spradling, Williams, Watson, and Lawrence. This would be in line with the typical Frank offseason.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: wabash909 on April 04, 2012, 07:39:09 AM
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Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2012, 07:47:42 AM
I would have loved to have heard the initial conversations oscar had with the players.

Also, losing Angel will make it much easier to hate oscar.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2012, 07:51:01 AM
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that was hilarious.  BP never knows what thread he's posting in or on what subject.  in another someone asked who he (BP) was and BP himself responded with the info for an assistant coach at some school.  later in the thread BP realized that they were asking who he was an not who the source of his latest bit of info was. 
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: EllToPay on April 04, 2012, 08:13:34 AM
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that was hilarious.  BP never knows what thread he's posting in or on what subject.  in another someone asked who he (BP) was and BP himself responded with the info for an assistant coach at some school.  later in the thread BP realized that they were asking who he was an not who the source of his latest bit of info was.

welp, looks like we'll get the tay/will backcourt combo. :frown:
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: AzCat on April 04, 2012, 08:31:49 AM
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that was hilarious.  BP never knows what thread he's posting in or on what subject.  in another someone asked who he (BP) was and BP himself responded with the info for an assistant coach at some school.  later in the thread BP realized that they were asking who he was an not who the source of his latest bit of info was.

welp, looks like we'll get the tay/will backcourt combo. :frown:

Running off the future ... check. 
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2012, 08:38:33 AM
You guys need to learn how to read BP posts.

He says in his opinion, Diaz and Rodriguez would transfer.  He has no knowledge.

They may still transfer, but he's not hearing that they have at this point.

The "Was told" was a thread he was replying incorrectly to per steve dave.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: EllToPay on April 04, 2012, 08:39:49 AM
You guys need to learn how to read BP posts.

He says in his opinion, Diaz and Rodriguez would transfer.  He has no knowledge.

They may still transfer, but he's not hearing that they have at this point.

The "Was told" was a thread he was replying incorrectly to per steve dave.

You've been a member of this site long enough to know how this works.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: wabash909 on April 04, 2012, 08:41:15 AM
So, it goes without saying, but keeping Angel has to be Weber's #1 priority.

One: Without a Division 1 point guard, his first season will be a complete, unmitigated disaster.  Not the start he needs for his tenure if he's a failure out the shoot with the expectations next year.

Two:  And more importantly, I'm not renewing my season tickets.



Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: AzCat on April 04, 2012, 08:41:44 AM
You guys need to learn how to read BP posts.

He says in his opinion, Diaz and Rodriguez would transfer.  He has no knowledge.

They may still transfer, but he's not hearing that they have at this point.

The "Was told" was a thread he was replying incorrectly to per steve dave.

You've been a member of this site long enough to know how this works.

Apparently not.   :blank:
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2012, 09:07:19 AM
You guys need to learn how to read BP posts.

He says in his opinion, Diaz and Rodriguez would transfer.  He has no knowledge.

They may still transfer, but he's not hearing that they have at this point.

The "Was told" was a thread he was replying incorrectly to per steve dave.

You've been a member of this site long enough to know how this works.

I'm aware.  The meltdowns (and the residual faux meltdowns) are getting annoying.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on April 04, 2012, 09:40:19 AM
You guys need to learn how to read BP posts.

He says in his opinion, Diaz and Rodriguez would transfer.  He has no knowledge.

They may still transfer, but he's not hearing that they have at this point.

The "Was told" was a thread he was replying incorrectly to per steve dave.

You've been a member of this site long enough to know how this works.

I'm aware.  The meltdowns (and the residual faux meltdowns) are getting annoying.

+1
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2012, 10:48:52 AM
You guys need to learn how to read BP posts.

He says in his opinion, Diaz and Rodriguez would transfer.  He has no knowledge.

They may still transfer, but he's not hearing that they have at this point.

The "Was told" was a thread he was replying incorrectly to per steve dave.

You've been a member of this site long enough to know how this works.

I'm aware.  The meltdowns (and the residual faux meltdowns) are getting annoying.

so are the forced lectures over forced meltdowns that don't exist.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Belvis Noland on April 04, 2012, 11:05:17 AM
Right, no meltdowns on this board.  None. 

Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2012, 11:33:33 AM
You guys need to learn how to read BP posts.

He says in his opinion, Diaz and Rodriguez would transfer.  He has no knowledge.

They may still transfer, but he's not hearing that they have at this point.

The "Was told" was a thread he was replying incorrectly to per steve dave.

You've been a member of this site long enough to know how this works.

I'm aware.  The meltdowns (and the residual faux meltdowns) are getting annoying.

so are the forced lectures over forced meltdowns that don't exist.

I haven't lectured anyone about melting down.  I posted a couple of, "Yes, but..." comments about Weber, but I haven't lectured anyone, if that's what you're implying.
Title: Re: Just saw Angel.....
Post by: doom on April 04, 2012, 11:50:37 AM
I don't know about the rest of you fucks, but I opened this thread to read about AR.   :shakesfist: