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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: j rake on April 02, 2012, 12:46:08 PM
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I get it. It’s the Final Four. Most of you couldn’t care less about Kansas State’s problems (though fans of other Big 12 schools should be rejoicing). You may not care today about the long-term shambles John Currie just put Kansas State’s basketball program into. But in a year or two, if he’s suddenly the athletic director at whatever school you root for, you may look back and realize this was the weekend Kansas State’s troubles soon led to your own.
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Kansas-State-Wildcats-oscar-Weber-Frank-Martin-John-Currie-new-hire-spells-big-trouble-040112
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copy and paste, site blocked at work, thanks
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Man, that's well said. He really points out that Currie is a rough ridin' dickhole.
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perfect summation of the perpetual crap sandwich we are being force fed until we run that pencil-necked dweeb outta town.
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Give John Currie credit for this much. He pulled a fast one when much of the college basketball world was looking elsewhere.
On the weekend of the Final Four, shortly after successfully pushing his program’s remarkably successful head basketball coach out of Kansas State and on to what is, at best, a lateral move, Currie brought in a new guy who will serve John Currie very, very well.
As for serving Kansas State, the school for which Currie serves as athletic director, and the fans he theoretically has been hired to represent? Not so much.
That’s the takeaway from Frank Martin’s exit and oscar Weber’s arrival at a basketball program Martin made into an unexpected perennial winner: Potentially very good for John Currie. Most likely disastrous for Kansas State.
“We’ve got a head basketball coach who has been there and knows the route and the path to that destination,” Currie said at an introductory press conference Saturday afternoon. “In his career, he has developed and mentored NBA lottery picks.”
But here's what Currie and Kansas State really have: A head basketball coach Currie chose after running out a stone-cold winner, a new coach who might help Currie get a better job who knows how to take other coaches’ recruits and win with them before his own guys have to play and his teams’ levels of excellence wanes.
Let me be clear. I like oscar Weber. He has a reputation for being as clean as any coach in the NCAA. He can coach, and with the team Martin assembled, Kansas State should be in good hands next year, and perhaps the year after that, as long as those players don’t transfer.
oscar Weber is a very good basketball coach. But to win in Manhattan – to bring in players and win in one of the least desirable college towns in America – you need a certain kind of guy. And that is not, and will never be, Weber. It’s simply a bad fit.
Don’t listen to John Currie when he says he and Frank Martin had a fine relationship. Don’t listen to Frank Martin, now the very highly paid head coach at South Carolina, if he tries to say the same thing.
Those close to the program were well aware, for more than a year, that these two men loathed each other. Martin was a man widely disrespected when he became Kansas State’s head coach in 2007. Seen as a placeholder for a recruiting class highlighted by Michael Beasley after Bob Huggins bolted for West Virginia, Martin was probably the least respected head basketball coach in America at the time.
And he never forgot – not the love he felt for those who showed loyalty, or the grudges that burned inside him for those who called him a crook, a cheat, a placeholder, incompetent.
Martin is emotional, loyal, candid and capable of holding grudges as surely as he was at working some magical alchemy in Kansas State. In going from laughing stock in 2007 to celebrated success story after Beasley left in the years that followed, he didn’t just prove himself. He showed a world that, in many quarters, never game him a shot.
So you better believe that when Currie arrived in 2009 – a man with no history with Martin, an AD who did not hire him – Martin was poised to recognize a boss who didn’t want him there.
And believe Currie wasn’t subtle on the matter, either. I have no doubt from numerous conversations with those close to the program that this was a divorce long coming, one Martin pushed off in large part because of the kids. He loved those players, and he had a team next year that would have been more formidable than any he’s had, including his 2010 Elite Eight team.
Frank Martin works hard, his teams play with a blue-collar sensibility that played well in rural Kansas, he is loyal and candid no matter where he stands, and the result is his teams won time and again despite a continued belief from most everyone that every upcoming year would finally expose them. No year ever did so.
No, at K-State, if you looked closely enough, the powers that be always showed their true colors. Head football coach LHC Bill Snyder was and is the genius who will always be a Wildcat. Martin was the outsider who could actually coach despite the way he got the job and the lack of head-coaching experience he brought with him, who wanted to stay because Kansas State believed in him when no one else would. And John Currie was and is the athletic director who hired neither of them, and according to sources gets along with neither of them, and who doesn’t have the good sense to utilize the most important weapon in the athletic-director playbook: humility.
That’s why this Weber hire is so galling. A K-State AD looking out for his university’s athletic future would recognize the difficulty of winning in, and recruiting to, Manhattan, Kan.
First, that AD would do everything he or she could to keep Frank Martin. Currie, by souring that relationship long before he pulled Jamar Samuels from an NCAA tournament game against Syracuse this March and then refusing to make up once Martin had had enough, did the opposite. I have no doubt he worked diligently to alienate his coach and got what he wanted: Martin gone.
Second, an AD thinking of the Wildcats’ future would find a coach who could somehow muster the same recipe for success. I’d have learned from Martin’s success and gone with a little-known name with a loyalty streak, a guy able to perpetuate a coaching culture and recruiting legacy, and hired Brad Underwood, K-State's No. 2 since Martin was hired and a former K-State player.
Otherwise, you have to find someone who can recruit to Manhattan and – like Martin – win with the particular kind of players they can actually land.
And John Currie thinks that person is oscar Weber?
Weber hasn’t been to a Sweet 16 since 2005, when he led Illinois there (and ultimately to the national title game, losing to North Carolina) … with Bill Self’s players. If you can’t recruit to and win in Illinois well enough to hold onto your job, how on earth can you do so in Manhattan?
Have a look at the hirings, firings and job swaps in the college basketball coaching world.
Answer: You can’t.
But that’s all besides the point.
One of two things is going on with Kansas State’s athletic director.
Either John Currie is borderline incompetent at the job, with a shaky idea of how to win in a place like Manhattan, or else he's in it for himself and would rather run off the right guy because he doesn’t like him than change his own ways in order to keep him.
If it’s the former, Currie will get his due in two or three years. Running off Martin from a place like Kansas State is a fireable offense. Being college basketball, that bill won’t come due for a few years.
But there’s always option two, which I suspect to be behind most of this: That Currie made this hire for Currie and Currie’s career. Weber has a squeaky-clean image, giving Currie some high marks with high-minded university presidents. Weber can win with Martin’s players, giving Currie a possible one- or two-year window of faux achievement. And Currie, who will never get credit for LHC Bill Snyder and didn’t have the good sense to want credit for keeping Frank Martin, finally has a hire of his own to smack on his resume and wave around to prospective employers.
Which is why I think hiring oscar Weber is entirely about John Currie and not at all about oscar Weber. K-State’s AD, having run out the right guy, now has brought in as a replacement someone perfectly built to get John Currie a job elsewhere.
It's also true that Kansas State was a program far ahead of Illinois under the tenure of these two men. Martin won more games than Weber in four of the past five seasons and has six NCAA tournament wins to Weber's one in the same time frame. And as if more proof was needed, Jacob Pullen, K-State's top career scorer, summed it up thusly on his Twitter account: "oscar (Weber) didn’t think I was good enough to play at Illinois and I don’t think he is good enough to coach at Kansas State."
This is America, where ego, incompetence and B.S. often fail forward. No telling to which place John Currie hopes to take his galling failing next.
I get it. It’s the Final Four. Most of you couldn’t care less about Kansas State’s problems (though fans of other Big 12 schools should be rejoicing). You may not care today about the long-term shambles John Currie just put Kansas State’s basketball program into. But in a year or two, if he’s suddenly the athletic director at whatever school you root for, you may look back and realize this was the weekend Kansas State’s troubles soon led to your own.
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:bawl:
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oscar Weber is a very good basketball coach. But to win in Manhattan – to bring in players and win in one of the least desirable college towns in America – you need a certain kind of guy. And that is not, and will never be, Weber. It’s simply a bad fit.
:sdeek:
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Boom, someone not satisfied with writing a "good fit" blurb and moving on
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Boom, someone not satisfied with writing a "good fit" blurb and moving on
yep
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oscar Weber is a very good basketball coach. But to win in Manhattan – to bring in players and win in one of the least desirable college towns in America – you need a certain kind of guy. And that is not, and will never be, Weber. It’s simply a bad fit.
:sdeek:
Total bullshit. But, we can thank Frank Martin running off to South Carolina for propagating that time honored myth.
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Kirk responds via Facebook: I am not sure it is possible to trash Kansas State, John Currie, Manhattan, and everything else all in one article. If this guy has EVER been to Manhattan I would be shocked. I don't mind criticism - but this is downright hateful.
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Wow. Looks like somebody spends a lot of time reading goEMAW.com before writing their articles
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Kirk responds via Facebook: I am not sure it is possible to trash Kansas State, John Currie, Manhattan, and everything else all in one article. If this guy has EVER been to Manhattan I would be shocked. I don't mind criticism - but this is downright hateful.
If you let one man do it as his job, Kirk, its only going to be a matter of time til someone puts pen to paper
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Kirk responds via Facebook: I am not sure it is possible to trash Kansas State, John Currie, Manhattan, and everything else all in one article. If this guy has EVER been to Manhattan I would be shocked. I don't mind criticism - but this is downright hateful.
he is trying to deflect the long ass currie hating article onto manhattan to try to turn the dumbfucks away from the message of the piece. :dubious:
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How stupid can Schulz be to not know that Reiter is a KC-based writer that has done multiple stories on Frank?
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How stupid can Schulz be to not know that Reiter is a KC-based writer that has done multiple stories on Frank?
pretty rough ridin' stupid obviously
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Is your AD by any chance a Fundie? Not trying to slam religion but running off a popular coach and replacing him with Weber seems to defy all logic and reason. While not all religious types ignore logic, it's something most fundies I know are pretty good at. And Weber himself is kind of a churchy guy...
I dunno. Unless that guy is truly trying to tank your program, which I doubt, I can come up with very few logical reasons why he would be convinced he's doing the right thing, unless there's something deeply philosophical (to him) involved. :dunno:
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He read our board.
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Schulz doesn't come off as a huge sports nut to me. I'm not sure he really knows just what is going on.
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Schulz doesn't come off as a huge sports nut to me. I'm not sure he really knows just what is going on.
I hope you are right. He should really read goEMAW more before talking or making decisions though. You know crap has hit the fan if we've turned against The Animal.
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Schulz doesn't come off as a huge sports nut to me. I'm not sure he really knows just what is going on.
I hope you are right. He should really read goEMAW more before talking or making decisions though. You know crap has hit the fan if we've turned against The Animal.
this. kirk had to have really made a mistake for this group of emaw's to go against him and that sweet southern drawl.
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if reiter's theory is true, that currie is hoping to bolt for a better job in a year or possibly two, then i think his argument actually works against him. because if reiter is right, then currie's hire makes a ton of sense and could actually have a positive outcome - both for himself and also for kansas state.
most reasonable people are able to concede that weber will likely take k-state to the tourney over the next two years with frank's players. now, can k-state get beyond the round of 32? well, that remains to be seen.
but let's assume the following:
-weber leads k-state to consecutive ncaa tourney appearances; the cats advance to round of 32 next year and go one-and-done the next.
-currie finds a better gig and leaves.
if that happens, a new AD comes in and can now hire his own head coach. he'll be justified in doing so, for three reasons: 1) he can say, "i dont get the sense that our fanbase is entirely behind weber."; 2) he can say, "based on my own research, i know that weber is good at coaching players he inherits but not ones that he recruits"; and finally, 3) "i think kansas state can do better than one-and-done. it's time to find a coach who can help us compete for championships."
when it's time for the new AD to make a hire, k-state will have advanced to six ncaa tourneys in the previous seven years and would have made it to the round of 32 or beyond five times, including the elite eight in '10. given the currie-martin feud, this wasn't an attractive job - and the candidates, outside of gottlieb, were about as underwhelming as it gets.
in 2014, when it's time for a new AD to hire a new coach, k-state should be in position to target a good one and could make the splash hire that likely couldn't be delivered this time around because of the circumstances.
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Schulz doesn't come off as a huge sports nut to me. I'm not sure he really knows just what is going on.
I hope you are right. He should really read goEMAW more before talking or making decisions though. You know crap has hit the fan if we've turned against The Animal.
this. kirk had to have really made a mistake for this group of emaw's to go against him and that sweet southern drawl.
My hope is that things are still salvageable with Schulz and athletics. He's done a great job with the academic side of things during his time here. But keeping Currie for an extended period of time would show that he either doesn't really know how big time sports are supposed to work or he doesn't really care.
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in 2014, when it's time for a new AD to hire a new coach, k-state should be in position to target a good one and could make the splash hire that likely couldn't be delivered this time around because of the circumstances.
gottlieb won't be an option by then. probably at duke or something.
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if reiter's theory is true, that currie is hoping to bolt for a better job in a year or possibly two, then i think his argument actually works against him. because if reiter is right, then currie's hire makes a ton of sense and could actually have a positive outcome - both for himself and also for kansas state.
most reasonable people are able to concede that weber will likely take k-state to the tourney over the next two years with frank's players. now, can k-state get beyond the round of 32? well, that remains to be seen.
but let's assume the following:
-weber leads k-state to consecutive ncaa tourney appearances; the cats advance to round of 32 next year and go one-and-done the next.
-currie finds a better gig and leaves.
if that happens, a new AD comes in and can now hire his own head coach. he'll be justified in doing so, for three reasons: 1) he can say, "i dont get the sense that our fanbase is entirely behind weber."; 2) he can say, "based on my own research, i know that weber is good at coaching players he inherits but not ones that he recruits"; and finally, 3) "i think kansas state can do better than one-and-done. it's time to find a coach who can help us compete for championships."
when it's time for the new AD to make a hire, k-state will have advanced to six ncaa tourneys in the previous seven years and would have made it to the round of 32 or beyond five times, including the elite eight in '10. given the currie-martin feud, this wasn't an attractive job - and the candidates, outside of gottlieb, were about as underwhelming as it gets.
in 2014, when it's time for a new AD to hire a new coach, k-state should be in position to target a good one and could make the splash hire that likely couldn't be delivered this time around because of the circumstances.
It would be nice, Rake, but the majority of our fanbase will eat up that round of 32 and one-and-done.
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if reiter's theory is true, that currie is hoping to bolt for a better job in a year or possibly two, then i think his argument actually works against him. because if reiter is right, then currie's hire makes a ton of sense and could actually have a positive outcome - both for himself and also for kansas state.
most reasonable people are able to concede that weber will likely take k-state to the tourney over the next two years with frank's players. now, can k-state get beyond the round of 32? well, that remains to be seen.
but let's assume the following:
-weber leads k-state to consecutive ncaa tourney appearances; the cats advance to round of 32 next year and go one-and-done the next.
-currie finds a better gig and leaves.
if that happens, a new AD comes in and can now hire his own head coach. he'll be justified in doing so, for three reasons: 1) he can say, "i dont get the sense that our fanbase is entirely behind weber."; 2) he can say, "based on my own research, i know that weber is good at coaching players he inherits but not ones that he recruits"; and finally, 3) "i think kansas state can do better than one-and-done. it's time to find a coach who can help us compete for championships."
when it's time for the new AD to make a hire, k-state will have advanced to six ncaa tourneys in the previous seven years and would have made it to the round of 32 or beyond five times, including the elite eight in '10. given the currie-martin feud, this wasn't an attractive job - and the candidates, outside of gottlieb, were about as underwhelming as it gets.
in 2014, when it's time for a new AD to hire a new coach, k-state should be in position to target a good one and could make the splash hire that likely couldn't be delivered this time around because of the circumstances.
yeah or aliens could come down from mars and blast currie in the face and balls with a death ray and then swoop back to mars in their space ship and we can hire gottlieb and party. there are really tons of different crazy scenarios that won't happen out there.
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I wish that is true Rake, but I do not see a new AD stepping in and just canning a coach that had been to the NCAAs in 2 straight years, regardless of him doing it with someone else's players. I think we're looking at 4 years minimum and an extension in there somewhere that leads to Weber walking with another 4 mil for getting bought out
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I wish that is true Rake, but I do not see a new AD stepping in and just canning a coach that had been to the NCAAs in 2 straight years, regardless of him doing it with someone else's players. I think we're looking at 4 years minimum and an extension in there somewhere that leads to Weber walking with another 4 mil for getting bought out
Weber's 1st NCAA Tournament appearance will end any chance that we can be rid of him in less than a contract & a half (say 7 or 8 years minimum). Face it, the 'tucks are going to swoon as soon as he clears the bubble that first time.
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I wish that is true Rake, but I do not see a new AD stepping in and just canning a coach that had been to the NCAAs in 2 straight years, regardless of him doing it with someone else's players. I think we're looking at 4 years minimum and an extension in there somewhere that leads to Weber walking with another 4 mil for getting bought out
if the hate is still there, and if the pressure comes from the top (i.e., shulz), then it can be done and should be done. basically, 2014 will be your year to shine and to put the pressure squarely on schulz's shoulders.
if recruiting isn't strong in weber's first two years, you have plenty of ammo to poke holes in the future of k-state hoops under weber's watch (point to years 3-through-9 at illinois). schulz, upon hiring the new AD, can say: "if you want this job, you must fire weber and hand-pick our next coach.)
every potential AD would kill for that opportunity.
the next step is to hit a home run with the next hire, and if k-state is willing to fork over the big bucks to "undo what's been done" (from '12), the future should be bright with a viable candidate that trends upward.
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The hate won't be there anymore. At least not from a majority. Also, I do not think this team (with Weber as coach) will make the NCAA tournament past year 1
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The hate won't be there anymore.
well, then that's your fault for not sustaining it.
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The hate won't be there anymore.
well, then that's your fault for not sustaining it.
:surprised:
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Guys, Weber told us at the press conference that he's going to recruit the basketball rich state of Kansas. We should be good.
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The hate won't be there anymore.
well, then that's your fault for not sustaining it.
I will be stoking the fire as much as anybody. Our basketball program is dying and WILL NOT accept its blood on my hands
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Another hope we could cling to is that Gottlieb finds a coaching job soon, either this year or next year, puts together a fantastic staff and starts recruiting like a badass. That will help to expose Currie as a moron for not even granting the guy an interview. I am a little more optimistic than most about your average K-State fan being able to eventually figure out just how Currie royally mumped us over, both in running off Frank and hiring a wet noodle as his replacement. People may support him initially but the more information gets spread about this, the sooner those sentiments are going to change. If I hadn't been following sports radio or reading news about the search in the day or two before the hire, I would not be nearly as pissed as I am right now. But the word is sooner or later going to get out there about what this ass clown Currie has done.
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What if Weber goes to the tourney the next 2 seasons and then:
1. Currie leaves for a new AD gig, and
2. Some other school (with a stupid AD) pays Weber even MORE money to go coach somewhere else?
I mean, that would be ok right? I dunno...just spitballing here.
:dunno:
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What if Weber goes to the tourney the next 2 seasons and then:
1. Currie leaves for a new AD gig, and
2. Some other school (with a stupid AD) pays Weber even MORE money to go coach somewhere else?
I mean, that would be ok right? I dunno...just spitballing here.
:dunno:
Best case scenario here. :bball:
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What if Weber goes to the tourney the next 2 seasons and then:
1. Currie leaves for a new AD gig, and
2. Some other school (with a stupid AD) pays Weber even MORE money to go coach somewhere else?
I mean, that would be ok right? I dunno...just spitballing here.
:dunno:
Yes, that would be very ok. The biggest problem we have is that Currie is already overpaying Weber and the other school would have to overpay him even more. That's why the local fans need to really make Weber feel unwelcome. We need Weber to hate Manhattan with all of his being so that he jumps at any opportunity to get out of town with a good job, even for a pay cut.
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Of course I meant realistic best case scenario. Highly unlikely best case scenario is NBAF leaking cow aids into their cafe francais.
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Related:
Sam Mellinger ? @mellinger
Talked to a college assistant last night who says #KState is a very bad job and not b/c of Currie. Said SC is "much" better job.
seriously, though, we didn't hear this "can't recruit to manhattan" bullshit AT ALL for the last 6 years. And the day Frank leaves, we hear it again. eff.
gottlieb's presser would have eliminated this FROM DAY ONE. Just like Huggs did to that sportscenter guy. THE PRESS CONFERENCE MATTERS.
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Related:
Sam Mellinger ? @mellinger
Talked to a college assistant last night who says #KState is a very bad job and not b/c of Currie. Said SC is "much" better job.
seriously, though, we didn't hear this "can't recruit to manhattan" bullshit AT ALL for the last 6 years. And the day Frank leaves, we hear it again. eff.
gottlieb's presser would have eliminated this FROM DAY ONE. Just like Huggs did to that sportscenter guy. THE PRESS CONFERENCE MATTERS.
You mean Weber didn't handle it correctly when he said there are difficulties involved with recruiting to K-State? I don't believe you.
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What if Weber goes to the tourney the next 2 seasons and then:
1. Currie leaves for a new AD gig, and
2. Some other school (with a stupid AD) pays Weber even MORE money to go coach somewhere else?
I mean, that would be ok right? I dunno...just spitballing here.
:dunno:
Yes, that would be very ok. The biggest problem we have is that Currie is already overpaying Weber and the other school would have to overpay him even more. That's why the local fans need to really make Weber feel unwelcome. We need Weber to hate Manhattan with all of his being so that he jumps at any opportunity to get out of town with a good job, even for a pay cut.
If someone thinks Weber is worth hiring after that, they're not going to worry about the $$ involved
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Mellinger is embarrassing himself. I mean, a lot of people much higher up the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) media chain than he is have said it is a decent job.
eff him and whatevs shitty assistant he was talking to.
Mellinger can die in a fire.
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regardless of who supports john currie, him staying on as AD will hurt Ksu, Schultz as president must let currie go in order to protect the image and integrity of the university.....The animosity between jc and FM, the lame hire of a outed basketball coach, the rumors of tension between him and Snyder. Its up to Schultz now to protect the university first and foremost no matter how hard of a decision it is.
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Mellinger is embarrassing himself. I mean, a lot of people much higher up the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) media chain than he is have said it is a decent job.
eff him and whatevs shitty assistant he was talking to.
Mellinger can die in a fire.
This, but the fact that Currie was somehow oblivious to knowing that this would happen says a lot.
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Guys, Weber told us at the press conference that he's going to recruit the basketball rich state of Kansas. We should be good.
Mrs. CF3 while watching presser with me, "Wait, I thought you said there aren't any good players in Kansas?" Me: "Yep, there's like one good one a year." Mrs. CF3: "So why would he say that?" CF3: "Because he's a gigantic failure."
Mrs. CF3 knows nothing about basketball, and spotted right away the disaster this is.
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if reiter's theory is true, that currie is hoping to bolt for a better job in a year or possibly two, then i think his argument actually works against him. because if reiter is right, then currie's hire makes a ton of sense and could actually have a positive outcome - both for himself and also for kansas state.
most reasonable people are able to concede that weber will likely take k-state to the tourney over the next two years with frank's players. now, can k-state get beyond the round of 32? well, that remains to be seen.
but let's assume the following:
-weber leads k-state to consecutive ncaa tourney appearances; the cats advance to round of 32 next year and go one-and-done the next.
-currie finds a better gig and leaves.
if that happens, a new AD comes in and can now hire his own head coach. he'll be justified in doing so, for three reasons: 1) he can say, "i dont get the sense that our fanbase is entirely behind weber."; 2) he can say, "based on my own research, i know that weber is good at coaching players he inherits but not ones that he recruits"; and finally, 3) "i think kansas state can do better than one-and-done. it's time to find a coach who can help us compete for championships."
when it's time for the new AD to make a hire, k-state will have advanced to six ncaa tourneys in the previous seven years and would have made it to the round of 32 or beyond five times, including the elite eight in '10. given the currie-martin feud, this wasn't an attractive job - and the candidates, outside of gottlieb, were about as underwhelming as it gets.
in 2014, when it's time for a new AD to hire a new coach, k-state should be in position to target a good one and could make the splash hire that likely couldn't be delivered this time around because of the circumstances.
that is best case. But what if no one wants JC.
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the next step is to hit a home run with the next hire, and if k-state is willing to fork over the big bucks to "undo what's been done" (from '12), the future should be bright with a viable candidate that trends upward.
I think the best opportunity for a home run hire we may ever have in our lifetimes was just in front of us, and Currie took a big dump all over it to serve his own interests and values. The dangling carrot for a home run hire was a brand of basketball that is nationally respected, the excitement of opening up a new practice facility, and inheriting a core of quality players capable of making a deep run in the tournament.
2 or 3 years down the road we may have a couple NCAA runs, but Weber's personality will not intrigue the press to promote the K-State brand like they did when Frank was here. The practice facility will still be there, but competing programs may be planning or building comparable facilities or improving their existing ones to compete in the never ending facilities arms race. We don't know what kind of players will be left over from the Weber regime, but history has shown us that it will likely not be near what it is now. I think our talent level will be of the quality of the team Altman left Asbury. Maybe enough to get to the NCAA the first year, but essentially a rebuilding effort all over again.
Currie's move here will shape the culture of EMAW nation for years, and I fear it will turn us to a "happy to be in the tournament" fanbase, and not a contender for final fours. He'll make tucks of us all (unless we start liking other teams).
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Kirk responds via Facebook: I am not sure it is possible to trash Kansas State, John Currie, Manhattan, and everything else all in one article. If this guy has EVER been to Manhattan I would be shocked. I don't mind criticism - but this is downright hateful.
If you let one man do it as his job, Kirk, its only going to be a matter of time til someone puts pen to paper
Well said.
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What if Weber goes to the tourney the next 2 seasons and then:
1. Currie leaves for a new AD gig, and
2. Some other school (with a stupid AD) pays Weber even MORE money to go coach somewhere else?
I mean, that would be ok right? I dunno...just spitballing here.
:dunno:
Yes, that would be very ok. The biggest problem we have is that Currie is already overpaying Weber and the other school would have to overpay him even more. That's why the local fans need to really make Weber feel unwelcome. We need Weber to hate Manhattan with all of his being so that he jumps at any opportunity to get out of town with a good job, even for a pay cut.
Nuts Kicked, I don't think we'll have a problem in that respect. I'm sure almost every coach we had, besides OB, was very anxious to get the hell out of our little cow town. :facepalm:
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What if Weber goes to the tourney the next 2 seasons and then:
1. Currie leaves for a new AD gig, and
2. Some other school (with a stupid AD) pays Weber even MORE money to go coach somewhere else?
I mean, that would be ok right? I dunno...just spitballing here.
:dunno:
Best case scenario here. :bball:
Brialliant. Why didn't I think of that? Oh yeah, because he's a suck ass coach and we won't see the NCAAs next year, much less the next 2 seasons.
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What if Weber goes to the tourney the next 2 seasons and then:
1. Currie leaves for a new AD gig, and
2. Some other school (with a stupid AD) pays Weber even MORE money to go coach somewhere else?
I mean, that would be ok right? I dunno...just spitballing here.
:dunno:
Best case scenario here. :bball:
Brialliant. Why didn't I think of that? Oh yeah, because he's a suck ass coach and we won't see the NCAAs next year, much less the next 2 seasons.
If the team stays together, Weber is not so shitty that they will miss the tournament. We have a very talented roster.
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Weber will never leave KSU for a better job, no matter how well he does, because he's got it cushy here, that contract saw to that. If he makes the tourney 2 years in a row it will take at least 1 year for a new ad to sink him, and we'll have to have sucked.
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I'M already just sick of this. I haven't even enjoyed the final 4 because of all of this bull crap.
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never thought i'd say it, but i may be starting to miss tim weiser. at least he hired huggins.
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Weber is charlie weis, he needed one last well paying gig to fill out his retirement
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Weber is charlie weis, he needed one last well paying gig to fill out his retirement
Yeah, I don't blame Weber. Good for him. Who wouldn't have taken that offer? If you eff up so bad you get fired and someone throws millions at you a few weeks later, you jump on the pile of bills and roll around in them giggling like a little girl.
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oscar Weber is a very good basketball coach. But to win in Manhattan – to bring in players and win in one of the least desirable college towns in America – you need a certain kind of guy. And that is not, and will never be, Weber. It’s simply a bad fit.
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Total bullshit. But, we can thank Frank Martin running off to South Carolina for propagating that time honored myth.
I love this Manhattan narrative the KC media loves to perpetuate (Reiter is a former KC Star writer). When Frank was hired, for about 10 days afterword all we heard was how terrible he was going to be, how we could never win, and how we should hire a coach with more experience because someone like Frank couldn't win long term after Beasley and Walker left.
Amazing and ironic how 6 years later, after Frank single handedly proved the "can't recruit or be successful in manhattan" narrative wrong again, they use the departure of Frank to perpetuate the same argument. Regardless what you think of the Weber hire the can't recruit to Manhattan argument is bs. Our historical success in basketball and more recent 20 years in Football proves that.
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lol at football being good due to recruiting.
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lol at football being good due to recruiting.
The biggest testament to how good of a coach Snyder is in terms of preparation and game day coaching is the fact that the recruiting is so bad.
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Weber is charlie weis, he needed one last well paying gig to fill out his retirement
At least the squawks can hold onto the hope that Weiss will drop dead in the near future. BW seems to be in pretty good shape. I mean hell, the man mows his own yard for Christ sake.
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Full circle I guess.
https://twitter.com/sportsreiter/status/832065376368336896
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Full circle I guess.
https://twitter.com/sportsreiter/status/832065376368336896
what a jerk
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Full circle I guess.
https://twitter.com/sportsreiter/status/832065376368336896
what a jerk
The truth hurts. This guys was dead right.
When can we fire Currie? I don't want him anywhere near a decision regarding a new football coach.
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Mittie seems like a good hire?
:dunno:
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Snyder for AD? Even Sean.
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Snyder for AD? Even Sean.
Half the morons on this board (including myself) could do better than Currie because we care for the long-term success of KSU. This was always a stepping-stone job for Currie...he thought he would be gone before Weber's suckiness started to show itself. This is what happens when you hire doofus career "leaders" who are more concerned about advancing in their career than actually doing a good job for the institution that hired them.
Yes, yes, I know Currie has built a bunch of stuff. But any half-way competent AD could've/would've done the same thing.
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Full circle I guess.
https://twitter.com/sportsreiter/status/832065376368336896
what a jerk
The truth hurts. This guys was dead right.
When can we fire Currie? I don't want him anywhere near a decision regarding a new football coach.
the truth doesn't hurt and i don't need shithead reporters giving me an "i told you so" when we already knew that the hire sucked
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Snyder for AD? Even Sean.
Half the morons on this board (including myself) could do better than Currie because we care for the long-term success of KSU. This was always a stepping-stone job for Currie...he thought he would be gone before Weber's suckiness started to show itself. This is what happens when you hire doofus career "leaders" who are more concerned about advancing in their career than actually doing a good job for the institution that hired them.
Yes, yes, I know Currie has built a bunch of stuff. But any half-way competent AD could've/would've done the same thing.
Most ADs would not be able to raise funds nearly as well as Currie has. He is very good at that aspect of his job.
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Steffy post. The Weber hire sucked. A couple of other things sucked. By and large, Currie has been good for KSU. If he does the right thing after this year, that will still be true.
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Have always been skeptical of the Oscar hire, but what really pissed me off about that article was calling the Holy City one of the worst college towns in America. We already knew the rest.
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Snyder for AD? Even Sean.
Half the morons on this board (including myself) could do better than Currie because we care for the long-term success of KSU. This was always a stepping-stone job for Currie...he thought he would be gone before Weber's suckiness started to show itself. This is what happens when you hire doofus career "leaders" who are more concerned about advancing in their career than actually doing a good job for the institution that hired them.
Yes, yes, I know Currie has built a bunch of stuff. But any half-way competent AD could've/would've done the same thing.
Most ADs would not be able to raise funds nearly as well as Currie has. He is very good at that aspect of his job.
Disagree. We have $ rolling in from Big 12 TV, and we have alumni that really love Snyder and KSU football.
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Full circle I guess.
https://twitter.com/sportsreiter/status/832065376368336896
what a jerk
The truth hurts. This guys was dead right.
When can we fire Currie? I don't want him anywhere near a decision regarding a new football coach.
the truth doesn't hurt and i don't need shithead reporters giving me an "i told you so" when we already knew that the hire sucked
You may not, but most of our fanbase does. When Wooldridge was fired I made sure to be an insufferable I Told You So guy to all the hayseeds who kept saying he needed more time; I'm absolutely going to be even more insufferable when oscar inevitably gets canned. Hopefully after enough reminding after enough bad hires, all those idiots will stop saying "the future is bright!" as an excuse to keep a mediocre coach around another year.
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Snyder for AD? Even Sean.
Half the morons on this board (including myself) could do better than Currie because we care for the long-term success of KSU. This was always a stepping-stone job for Currie...he thought he would be gone before Weber's suckiness started to show itself. This is what happens when you hire doofus career "leaders" who are more concerned about advancing in their career than actually doing a good job for the institution that hired them.
Yes, yes, I know Currie has built a bunch of stuff. But any half-way competent AD could've/would've done the same thing.
Most ADs would not be able to raise funds nearly as well as Currie has. He is very good at that aspect of his job.
I feel compelled to point out, again, that keeping the athletic department profitable is basically the ONLY part of his job. Everything else (including FB/BBall success) is only important to the extent it impacts the bottom line.
People also just need to accept the fact that Weber and Currie will always be part of K-State lore because of title town. I do think Weber has passed his usefulness to K-State sports, though.
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Schulz doesn't come off as a huge sports nut to me. I'm not sure he really knows just what is going on.
I hope you are right. He should really read goEMAW more before talking or making decisions though. You know crap has hit the fan if we've turned against The Animal.
this. kirk had to have really made a mistake for this group of emaw's to go against him and that sweet southern drawl.
My hope is that things are still salvageable with Schulz and athletics. He's done a great job with the academic side of things during his time here. But keeping Currie for an extended period of time would show that he either doesn't really know how big time sports are supposed to work or he doesn't really care.
Ah, sweet innocence.
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If oscar is out he is going to leave a top 35 kenpom team behind, that isn't big problems. Pretty weak pat on the back.
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man bill reiter is a rough ridin' sage. amazing foresight
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good lord. cue the Illinois fans and they're "hey guys we warned you" crap. it's like no crap, reiter. :flush:
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Full circle I guess.
https://twitter.com/sportsreiter/status/832065376368336896
what a jerk
The truth hurts. This guys was dead right.
When can we fire Currie? I don't want him anywhere near a decision regarding a new football coach.
the truth doesn't hurt and i don't need shithead reporters giving me an "i told you so" when we already knew that the hire sucked
You may not, but most of our fanbase does. When Wooldridge was fired I made sure to be an insufferable I Told You So guy to all the hayseeds who kept saying he needed more time; I'm absolutely going to be even more insufferable when oscar inevitably gets canned. Hopefully after enough reminding after enough bad hires, all those idiots will stop saying "the future is bright!" as an excuse to keep a mediocre coach around another year.
our fan base watches are games and still defends oscar. and you think that they need to hear from some clown who is not from MHK telling them that oscar sucks?
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Snyder for AD? Even Sean.
Half the morons on this board (including myself) could do better than Currie because we care for the long-term success of KSU. This was always a stepping-stone job for Currie...he thought he would be gone before Weber's suckiness started to show itself. This is what happens when you hire doofus career "leaders" who are more concerned about advancing in their career than actually doing a good job for the institution that hired them.
Yes, yes, I know Currie has built a bunch of stuff. But any half-way competent AD could've/would've done the same thing.
:'bye cruel world:
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Snyder for AD? Even Sean.
Half the morons on this board (including myself) could do better than Currie because we care for the long-term success of KSU. This was always a stepping-stone job for Currie...he thought he would be gone before Weber's suckiness started to show itself. This is what happens when you hire doofus career "leaders" who are more concerned about advancing in their career than actually doing a good job for the institution that hired them.
Yes, yes, I know Currie has built a bunch of stuff. But any half-way competent AD could've/would've done the same thing.
Most ADs would not be able to raise funds nearly as well as Currie has. He is very good at that aspect of his job.
Disagree. We have $ rolling in from Big 12 TV, and we have alumni that really love Snyder and KSU football.
You new around here? We have had multiple horrendous athletic directors since LHC Bill Snyder has been here.
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Reiter comes back with more.
https://twitter.com/sportsreiter/status/847620000315604992
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Reiter is embarrassing himself IMO
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Reiter is embarrassing himself IMO
Eh, would have been fine if he hadn't mentioned his stupid original column.
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That was actually even better than Reiter's first one and while everyone here knew what would happen with oscar few in the media would say it. Petro is the only other one I can think of
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Enjoy John Currie Tennessee fans!
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/final-four-2017-gonzaga-south-carolina-is-tale-of-trust-loyalty-and-one-costly-mistake/
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The pus bag is going to explode. Thankfully Curdog is gone. It really is fanbase vs. big donors.
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Great article. Sent it to a person I know who still, somehow, lives in
tuck City, USA.
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The people that worship Currie (wacky, etc.) will never believe anything bad that is said about him. They think everything is made up.
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The people that worship Currie (wacky, etc.) will never believe anything bad that is said about him. They think everything is made up.
:lol: WTF? :confused:
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#LIFE lives a weird life.
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He called you a tuck, wackytuck
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He called you a tuck, wackytuck
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It's #LIFE. He's made past racist comments and copy and paste crap from kstatefans. He lives on that board. You think I give a crap?
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He called you a tuck, wackytuck
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It's #LIFE. He's made past racist comments and copy and paste crap from kstatefans. He lives on that board. You think I give a crap?
yes
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https://twitter.com/davidglennshow/status/1102072945713782784?s=21
This should be fun watching currdog shitcan Danny Manning
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https://twitter.com/davidglennshow/status/1102072945713782784?s=21
This should be fun watching currdog shitcan Danny Manning
STAY AWAY FROM oscar CURRDOG! YOU CAN'T HAVE HIM!
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There's no way he'd leave us for that crap job.