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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Bookcat on March 16, 2012, 11:17:30 AM
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People are looking for work, trying to make their mortgage payments, hoping they don't get sick and go bankrupt..and Santorum is beating the war drums about what he defines as explicit material.
Any Santorum supporters in here? And none of that cop out B.S. You either adopt him as a candidate for all the bullcrap he spews..or none of it. But picking and choosing to support your argument for your average conservative Christian like Santorum makes sense. He does it for the Bible all the time.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshbarro/2012/03/15/santorum-promises-broad-war-on-porn/
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"It's a matter of what's in his heart."
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/rick-santorum-puerto-rico-english-statehood_n_1345464.html
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Well time to visit Redtube some more before it's shut down. :jerk:
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Not sure if I could vote for him or not. I will prob just not vote if he wins the nom. The sad part is that some people will actually vote for him because of this. People have lost their fracking minds. I love how he is running on the "conservative" ticket and wants govt. out of our lives (me too), yet he wants the govt. to tell us what we can look at on the internet.
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Not sure if I could vote for him or not.
Lemme guess...still trying to decide the whole creation vs. evolution thing too, right?
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Not sure if I could vote for him or not.
Lemme guess...still trying to decide the whole creation vs. evolution thing too, right?
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how can any of you even consider santorum? The dude is a huge spender.
the debt is the issue people.
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Not sure if I could vote for him or not. I will prob just not vote if he wins the nom. The sad part is that some people will actually vote for him because of this. People have lost their fracking minds. I love how he is running on the "conservative" ticket and wants govt. out of our lives (me too), yet he wants the govt. to tell us what we can look at on the internet.
Its one of the great hypocrisies (sp?) in the republican party right now. Less government interference in our lives unless you're gay, non white, non Christian, or a recreational drug user. So basically liberty and justice for all, as long as you dont fit into the above categories.
Also he's strictly a social conservative only. Horriblr voting record pushes him to RINO status.
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Not sure if I could vote for him or not. I will prob just not vote if he wins the nom. The sad part is that some people will actually vote for him because of this. People have lost their fracking minds. I love how he is running on the "conservative" ticket and wants govt. out of our lives (me too), yet he wants the govt. to tell us what we can look at on the internet.
Its one of the great hypocrisies (sp?) in the republican party right now. Less government interference in our lives unless you're gay, non white, non Christian, or a recreational drug user. So basically liberty and justice for all, as long as you dont fit into the above categories.
Also he's strictly a social conservative only. Horriblr voting record pushes him to RINO status.
Rick Santorum is as republican as republican can be. You would be hard pressed to find a candidate with a voting record more in line with the Republican Party. He even "took one for the team" and voted for No Child Left Behind even though he did not personally like the bill. All it took was for the bill to be sponsored by George Bush. The problem is that, as you said, there are serious problems with the republican platform. They are only fiscally conservative when it comes to making sure the poor don't get any benefits. They love spending money in other government sectors.
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Rick Santorum is a rough ridin' joke. I hope he gets in a car wreck.
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Not sure if I could vote for him or not. I will prob just not vote if he wins the nom. The sad part is that some people will actually vote for him because of this. People have lost their fracking minds. I love how he is running on the "conservative" ticket and wants govt. out of our lives (me too), yet he wants the govt. to tell us what we can look at on the internet.
Its one of the great hypocrisies (sp?) in the republican party right now. Less government interference in our lives unless you're gay, non white, non Christian, or a recreational drug user. So basically liberty and justice for all, as long as you dont fit into the above categories.
Also he's strictly a social conservative only. Horriblr voting record pushes him to RINO status.
Rick Santorum is as republican as republican can be. You would be hard pressed to find a candidate with a voting record more in line with the Republican Party. He will even "took one for the team" and voted for No Child Left Behind even though he did not personally like the bill. All it took was for the bill to be sponsored by George Bush. The problem is that, as you said, there are serious problems with the republican platform. They are only fiscally conservative when it comes to making sure the poor don't get any benefits. They love spending money in other government sectors.
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Not sure if I could vote for him or not. I will prob just not vote if he wins the nom. The sad part is that some people will actually vote for him because of this. People have lost their fracking minds. I love how he is running on the "conservative" ticket and wants govt. out of our lives (me too), yet he wants the govt. to tell us what we can look at on the internet.
Its one of the great hypocrisies (sp?) in the republican party right now. Less government interference in our lives unless you're gay, non white, non Christian, or a recreational drug user. So basically liberty and justice for all, as long as you dont fit into the above categories.
Also he's strictly a social conservative only. Horriblr voting record pushes him to RINO status.
Rick Santorum is as republican as republican can be. You would be hard pressed to find a candidate with a voting record more in line with the Republican Party. He will even "took one for the team" and voted for No Child Left Behind even though he did not personally like the bill. All it took was for the bill to be sponsored by George Bush.
what does a guy do when he doesn't have a boss to tell him how he should think? some people are not meant to be the head guy.
also, has anyone else seen his kid. Wow. Can you imagine what the eventual therapist bill will be?
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Not sure if I could vote for him or not. I will prob just not vote if he wins the nom. The sad part is that some people will actually vote for him because of this. People have lost their fracking minds. I love how he is running on the "conservative" ticket and wants govt. out of our lives (me too), yet he wants the govt. to tell us what we can look at on the internet.
Its one of the great hypocrisies (sp?) in the republican party right now. Less government interference in our lives unless you're gay, non white, non Christian, or a recreational drug user. So basically liberty and justice for all, as long as you dont fit into the above categories.
Also he's strictly a social conservative only. Horriblr voting record pushes him to RINO status.
Rick Santorum is as republican as republican can be. You would be hard pressed to find a candidate with a voting record more in line with the Republican Party. He will even "took one for the team" and voted for No Child Left Behind even though he did not personally like the bill. All it took was for the bill to be sponsored by George Bush.
what does a guy do when he doesn't have a boss to tell him how he should think? some people are not meant to be the head guy.
also, has anyone else seen his kid. Wow. Can you imagine what the eventual therapist bill will be?
He still has the pope and the RNC chairman.
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Why are you guys wasting keystrokes on Santorum? He has no chance. Romney will be the candidate.
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Why are you guys wasting keystrokes on Santorum? He has no chance. Romney will be the candidate.
there's a lot of dumb people out there. And it appears no one caters to dumb shits better than santorum.
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Not sure if I could vote for him or not. I will prob just not vote if he wins the nom. The sad part is that some people will actually vote for him because of this. People have lost their fracking minds. I love how he is running on the "conservative" ticket and wants govt. out of our lives (me too), yet he wants the govt. to tell us what we can look at on the internet.
Its one of the great hypocrisies (sp?) in the republican party right now. Less government interference in our lives unless you're gay, non white, non Christian, or a recreational drug user. So basically liberty and justice for all, as long as you dont fit into the above categories.
Also he's strictly a social conservative only. Horriblr voting record pushes him to RINO status.
Rick Santorum is as republican as republican can be. You would be hard pressed to find a candidate with a voting record more in line with the Republican Party. He even "took one for the team" and voted for No Child Left Behind even though he did not personally like the bill. All it took was for the bill to be sponsored by George Bush. The problem is that, as you said, there are serious problems with the republican platform. They are only fiscally conservative when it comes to making sure the poor don't get any benefits. They love spending money in other government sectors.
if this is as true as you insist it is -there are a lot of people out there that are not republican even though they claim they are. Far more people I'd wager than those that are so socially conservative they'd qualify as a fred phelps klan member.
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I realize I just posted two somewhat contradictory post in a row, so I'll clarify that a dumb ass is what I'm considering your average water cooler voter. Someone that only partially pays attention to what's going on.
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Why are you guys wasting keystrokes on Santorum? He has no chance. Romney will be the candidate.
there's a lot of dumb people out there. And it appears no one caters to dumb shits better than santorum.
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Thankfully there are still more non-dumbshits in the republican party. Last election proved that is not the case for the democrats.
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Why are you guys wasting keystrokes on Santorum? He has no chance. Romney will be the candidate.
there's a lot of dumb people out there. And it appears no one caters to dumb shits better than santorum.
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Thankfully there are still more non-dumbshits in the republican party. Last election proved that is not the case for the democrats.
This was true 4 years ago, but the R's have really dumbed themselves down since then. Endless bitching and moaning about big government and health care. So, what do they do? Go nominate a big government RINO who created the blueprint for Obamacare.
This is why we cant have nice things
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Romney, Santorum, Obama, and Gingrich are all the same. They all want big government to run our lives. Massive spending. No cuts. Period. there is NO DIFFERENCE!
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Why are you guys wasting keystrokes on Santorum? He has no chance. Romney will be the candidate.
there's a lot of dumb people out there. And it appears no one caters to dumb shits better than santorum.
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Thankfully there are still more non-dumbshits in the republican party. Last election proved that is not the case for the democrats.
You do remember that Sarah Palin was on the ticket? Right?
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Why are you guys wasting keystrokes on Santorum? He has no chance. Romney will be the candidate.
there's a lot of dumb people out there. And it appears no one caters to dumb shits better than santorum.
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Thankfully there are still more non-dumbshits in the republican party. Last election proved that is not the case for the democrats.
You do remember that Sarah Palin was on the ticket? Right?
I blame McCain for that, who is actually a democrat when he's not running for office.
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Romney, Santorum, Obama, and Gingrich are all the same. They all want big government to run our lives. Massive spending. No cuts. Period. there is NO DIFFERENCE!
People who say this are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Absolutely Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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Romney, Santorum, Obama, and Gingrich are all the same. They all want big government to run our lives. Massive spending. No cuts. Period. there is NO DIFFERENCE!
People who say this are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Absolutely Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Prove that they are different. You cant, because they arent.
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First of all, let's examine the accusation that "They all want big government to run our lives".
That's bullshit. Not even Obama or the Democratic Party has the opinion that we need our lives run by the Government. To suggest such is completely ridiculous.
Now to consider them the same and there is "NO DIFFERENCE" would be just as stupid. All we have to do is look at one issue. Health Insurance. Obama wants it nationalized, Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich do not. This is not rocket science, fucknuts.
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First of all, let's examine the accusation that "They all want big government to run our lives".
That's bullshit. Not even Obama or the Democratic Party has the opinion that we need our lives run by the Government. To suggest such is completely ridiculous.
Now to consider them the same and there is "NO DIFFERENCE" would be just as stupid. All we have to do is look at one issue. Health Insurance. Obama wants it nationalized, Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich do not. This is not rocket science, fucknuts.
Well, to be fair, nobody really knows how Romney feels about any issue. He just goes where the wind blows him.
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That's actually a fantastic point.. I think this fact alone would cast doubt on the claim that everyone of them is the same. Even Romney isn't sure who or what Romney is, not to mention what he's for or against.
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They all want to control our life and intimidate us(wont legalize drugs, welfare, Patriot act, NDAA, SOPA, etc)
They all want to bomb brown people.
They will all run a huge defecit one way or another (Obamacare, preemptive war, whatever)
They wont reform social security
They will all bow down to the Fed
And finally, they are bought and paid for by the same companies.
Except one of them, of course.
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That still doesn't make them the same. Try again.
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That still doesn't make them the same. Try again.
Well, that may not "make them all the same", but the end result will be pretty much the same no matter who wins. I think that is more of the point they are trying to make.
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That still doesn't make them the same. Try again.
please explain how they're different. Make sure to specify one is a black muslim, one is a white mormon & one is a white catholic, while the other one is a white old rich guy.
First of all, let's examine the accusation that "They all want big government to run our lives".
That's bullshit. Not even Obama or the Democratic Party has the opinion that we need our lives run by the Government. To suggest such is completely ridiculous.
Now to consider them the same and there is "NO DIFFERENCE" would be just as stupid. All we have to do is look at one issue. Health Insurance. Obama wants it nationalized, Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich do not. This is not rocket science, fucknuts.
How is Obamacare not big government wanting to run peoples lives? How is strict gun control not? How is educational reform not? Do you even think before you type?
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the KHAN- you are rough ridin' blind my friend. Seriously. JESUS CHRIST!
Like Heinzballz said, you are truly the product of social manipulation lol. You are so blind. And i dont care what arguement you try to make if you vote for Obama or romney you are voting for the same rough ridin' person.
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the KHAN- you are rough ridin' blind my friend. Seriously. JESUS CHRIST!
Like Heinzballz said, you are truly the product of social manipulation lol. You are so blind. And i dont care what arguement you try to make if you vote for Obama or romney you are voting for the same rough ridin' person.
There are a few very important issues that are being avoided here. Supreme court nominations, cap & trade type legislation/EPA, taxes, entitlements, etc. You will find EXTREME differences that have the possibility of sending us down the road and over the cliff behind Europe. Any of the "republican" candidates can save us from this fate. They may be similar when it comes to politics, but not even close in ideology.
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That still doesn't make them the same. Try again.
Well, that may not "make them all the same", but the end result will be pretty much the same no matter who wins. I think that is more of the point they are trying to make.
If that's the point they are trying to make, while at the same time defending Ron Paul, then they are fighting a losing battle. Do you guys honestly think Ron Paul in the white house is going to change much at all? He will in essence be facing 2 halves of a legislature which will be 90 percent hostile to his message and a Supreme Court put in place by other Presidents who chose them on the basis that they had similar ideologies to them. Ron Paul would never, and could never, inact 1/50th of what he wants to do.
That still doesn't make them the same. Try again.
please explain how they're different. Make sure to specify one is a black muslim, one is a white mormon & one is a white catholic, while the other one is a white old rich guy.
First of all, let's examine the accusation that "They all want big government to run our lives".
That's bullshit. Not even Obama or the Democratic Party has the opinion that we need our lives run by the Government. To suggest such is completely ridiculous.
Now to consider them the same and there is "NO DIFFERENCE" would be just as stupid. All we have to do is look at one issue. Health Insurance. Obama wants it nationalized, Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich do not. This is not rocket science, fucknuts.
How is Obamacare not big government wanting to run peoples lives? How is strict gun control not? How is educational reform not? Do you even think before you type?
1. Explain how they are different? This is where John "Teach me how to" Dougie comes in with the knockout blow. Their ideologies are incredibly different from each other. What Libertarians have done is recited the same lie, that they are the same, for so long they've begun to believe it. You might as well say that all those who fall in the category of "Classical Liberals" are the same. You could argue that Stalinists and Trotskyites were the same as well...if you were ignorant. There are some rather large differences between the two. They take completely opposite stances on Unions, Minimum Wage, Abortion, Death Penalty, how to create jobs, the amount we should be taxed, what programs we should and shouldn't fun, Welfare, Social Security, Healthcare, illegal immigration. The list is damn near endless.
2. How are those things not big Government wanting to run people's lives? Now we're arguing about motive, not action. I'm not going to tell you that Obamacare or Gun Control or anything else doesn't become intrusive, but the idea that there is some evil Government conspiracy to just run our lives is ludicrous. There are legitimate concerns behind all of these things. Obama didn't fight to get Obamacare passed to oppress you. I'd wager he thought it was a good thing for the country and was trying to improve the situations of a lot of poor Americans. The results are not at all what I like, but the motive was at least positive.
the KHAN- you are rough ridin' blind my friend. Seriously. JESUS CHRIST!
Like Heinzballz said, you are truly the product of social manipulation lol. You are so blind. And i dont care what arguement you try to make if you vote for Obama or romney you are voting for the same rough ridin' person.
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Why do I know you're a complete buffoon? I know it because you just told me you don't care what argument I try. Damn the truth if it gets in the way of your crazy opinions.
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1. Explain how they are different? This is where John "Teach me how to" Dougie comes in with the knockout blow. Their ideologies are incredibly different from each other. What Libertarians have done is recited the same lie, that they are the same, for so long they've begun to believe it. You might as well say that all those who fall in the category of "Classical Liberals" are the same. You could argue that Stalinists and Trotskyites were the same as well...if you were ignorant. There are some rather large differences between the two. They take completely opposite stances on Unions, Minimum Wage, Abortion, Death Penalty, how to create jobs, the amount we should be taxed, what programs we should and shouldn't fun, Welfare, Social Security, Healthcare, illegal immigration. The list is damn near endless.
It's big government vs. small government. ideologies be damned - it's all about who's in control.
2. How are those things not big Government wanting to run people's lives? Now we're arguing about motive, not action. I'm not going to tell you that Obamacare or Gun Control or anything else doesn't become intrusive, but the idea that there is some evil Government conspiracy to just run our lives is ludicrous. There are legitimate concerns behind all of these things. Obama didn't fight to get Obamacare passed to oppress you. I'd wager he thought it was a good thing for the country and was trying to improve the situations of a lot of poor Americans. The results are not at all what I like, but the motive was at least positive.
Give this a read when you get a chance. See if you can find any relevance to today's political field.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/engineers_scientific_and_socia.html
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Who here wouldn't :jerk: to war porn?
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1. Explain how they are different? This is where John "Teach me how to" Dougie comes in with the knockout blow. Their ideologies are incredibly different from each other. What Libertarians have done is recited the same lie, that they are the same, for so long they've begun to believe it. You might as well say that all those who fall in the category of "Classical Liberals" are the same. You could argue that Stalinists and Trotskyites were the same as well...if you were ignorant. There are some rather large differences between the two. They take completely opposite stances on Unions, Minimum Wage, Abortion, Death Penalty, how to create jobs, the amount we should be taxed, what programs we should and shouldn't fun, Welfare, Social Security, Healthcare, illegal immigration. The list is damn near endless.
It's big government vs. small government. ideologies be damned - it's all about who's in control.
2. How are those things not big Government wanting to run people's lives? Now we're arguing about motive, not action. I'm not going to tell you that Obamacare or Gun Control or anything else doesn't become intrusive, but the idea that there is some evil Government conspiracy to just run our lives is ludicrous. There are legitimate concerns behind all of these things. Obama didn't fight to get Obamacare passed to oppress you. I'd wager he thought it was a good thing for the country and was trying to improve the situations of a lot of poor Americans. The results are not at all what I like, but the motive was at least positive.
Give this a read when you get a chance. See if you can find any relevance to today's political field.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/engineers_scientific_and_socia.html
I know that may be too much for most people to read so I'll summarize my thoughts when I linked this article by agreeing with KHAN. I don't believe there was any malicious intent with Obama care or a lot of Dem's stance on gun control for that matter. The point most people try to make against large government is that even though these policies may be good in principle for individual's, the very means in which they're applied makes them inherently wrong. I particularly found interest in the above link I posted, with the points made about welfare and native Americans. When people surrender their independence, they become slaves more or less. Obama care I believe is founded on good intentions, but there's so much control by big brother involved that it becomes a means of enslavement. THAT is what I mean when I say all of these candidates are the same. They all seem to think that they not only know what is good for me, but they're willing to legislate ways to impose these things on me. If choosing a healthy lifestyle is not of my own conscious decision, it's not really a choice that I can 100% be confident in. What if BBS'n were to be found inherently evil and subsequently made illegal. Would you not attempt to find an alternative that may be just as evil?
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the khan. lol