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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: Powercat Posse on March 08, 2012, 01:33:21 PM
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1) Angel = playing like a loose cannon. Getting beat off of the dribble all day, trying to reach from behind for steals. Stupid high school TOs trying to do too much
2) Samuels = 0 rebounds. 0 rebounds. 0 rebounds. Gave zero help to JO inside.
3) Spradling = 2-9 FGs, 3 TOs, Angel's tag team partner when it comes to crappy defense on the perimeter today
4) Gipson = barely played, but messed up something almost every possession he was in there
5) Whole rough ridin' team (except JO) when it comes to Rebounding. JO 14 Reb. Everyone else 10 reb.
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5
1, 2, 3, and 4 were a close second.
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Where the eff has Gipson been since the Mizzou game?
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Everyone but JO sucked
I hate Will
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Everyone but JO sucked
I hate Will
I think 'tay played fairly well today. He did what he needed to do. Will & Shane were brutal. Angel definately had some relapses. Guard play is important in the post-season...does not bode well for us : (
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Will, which I think mean Will he ever shoot with confidence from behind the arc again?
As soon as I saw him pass up an open three in the early minutes of the game, I knew he would remain a pussy.
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yeah, will doesn't do anything right now.
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Will, which I think mean Will he ever shoot with confidence from behind the arc again?
As soon as I saw him pass up an open three in the early minutes of the game, I knew he would remain a pussy.
No...Will reached his peak last year. He will always suck at Defense and always struggle to find his shot. #TeamAngel
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Number 5.
We got killed on the boards, I agree. There were a long of long Orebs for Baylor though. I can't fault anyone for that.
I just hope we aren't 1 and done in the NCAA.
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JO played great. Will should probably be put out of his misery. Martavious had some nice minutes off the bench. Rodney played like crap, Angel was up and down, Jamar wasn't even on the floor as far as I could tell.
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I was pretty disappointed in Jamar.
At this point, I think it's safe to say that will is will.
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Will had a lot of shots that almost went in! Also lots of his floater misses were o-boarded. WILL TAKE
Agree Rodney played worse than Angel but we can't hate our precious Rodney now can we.
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It's Vulture, and it isn't close.
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Will Spradling might be the worst starting guard in the history of the Big 12.
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If Jamar could have matched Acy, we win. I mean seriously, no rebounds. WTF Jamar?
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Will Spradling might be the worst starting guard in the history of the Big 12.
he is def. in the running for worst soph. starting G.
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Will Spradling might be the worst starting guard in the history of the Big 12.
he is def. in the running for worst soph. starting G.
Like I said, Will's shittiness will never surprise me again.
Until further notice, it's who he is.
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If Jamar could have matched Acy, we win. I mean seriously, no rebounds. WTF Jamar?
It was so weird, he had a few that went right off of him or through his hands. starting to brew up an Aaron Lockett vegas threw the game scenario.
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Will will (ha!) be much better next year.
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Will Spradling might be the worst starting guard in the history of the Big 12.
he is def. in the running for worst soph. starting G.
Like I said, Will's shittiness will never surprise me again.
Until further notice, it's who he is.
Well, if that's the case, you have to start blaming Frank for him.
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Will will (ha!) be much better next year.
I'm hopeful of this.
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Will Spradling might be the worst starting guard in the history of the Big 12.
not the worst. the problem is he sticks out like a sore thumb because frank puts so much of the offense in his hands. agreed that he is rough ridin' terrible and needs to transfer to Ranken Technical College and just call it a day.
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Will Spradling might be the worst starting guard in the history of the Big 12.
not the worst. the problem is he sticks out like a sore thumb because frank puts so much of the offense in his hands. agreed that he is rough ridin' terrible and needs to transfer to Ranken Technical College and just call it a day.
Yes, like vic, will is frank's fault
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Remember when Will drove baseline and tried that underhand scoop shot that slammed into the bottom of the backboard? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Will Spradling might be the worst starting guard in the history of the Big 12.
he is def. in the running for worst soph. starting G.
Like I said, Will's shittiness will never surprise me again.
Until further notice, it's who he is.
Well, if that's the case, you have to start blaming Frank for him.
Done.
I blamed Frank for playing Vic and Merrieweather (sp?). I can do it again.
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Will being will is not dispensation for his continued weak-kneed attitude.
His suckiness cannot be ignored.
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Remember when Will drove baseline and tried that underhand scoop shot that slammed into the bottom of the backboard? :lol: :lol: :lol:
yes, I remember the crap out of it. :curse:
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JO played great. Will should probably be put out of his misery. Martavious had some nice minutes off the bench. Rodney played like crap, Angel was up and down, Jamar wasn't even on the floor as far as I could tell.
Maybe Frank should "shut Will down" like they do to starting pitchers at the end of a baseball season. Just give him the rest of the year off.
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JO played great. Will should probably be put out of his misery. Martavious had some nice minutes off the bench. Rodney played like crap, Angel was up and down, Jamar wasn't even on the floor as far as I could tell.
Maybe Frank should "shut Will down" like they do to starting pitchers at the end of a baseball season. Just give him the rest of the year off.
and then the next two so he's ready for his insurance career. fresh legs.
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JO played great. Will should probably be put out of his misery. Martavious had some nice minutes off the bench. Rodney played like crap, Angel was up and down, Jamar wasn't even on the floor as far as I could tell.
Maybe Frank should "shut Will down" like they do to starting pitchers at the end of a baseball season. Just give him the rest of the year off.
and then the next two so he's ready for his insurance career. fresh legs.
He will work in the energy sector. Obviously.
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JO played great. Will should probably be put out of his misery. Martavious had some nice minutes off the bench. Rodney played like crap, Angel was up and down, Jamar wasn't even on the floor as far as I could tell.
Maybe Frank should "shut Will down" like they do to starting pitchers at the end of a baseball season. Just give him the rest of the year off.
and then the next two so he's ready for his insurance career. fresh legs.
He will work in the energy sector. Obviously.
it's been pretty quiet on the clent job front
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Remember when Will drove baseline and tried that underhand scoop shot that slammed into the bottom of the backboard? :lol: :lol: :lol:
yes, I remember the crap out of it. :curse:
That was the worst layup attempt I have ever seen. He should have just floated the ball over some bitch's head and let JO go dunk it.
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Will will (ha!) be much better next year.
Things we said last year. Granted, he had a good freshman year, but he regressed considerably this year.
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Will will (ha!) be much better next year.
Things we said last year. Granted, he had a good freshman year, but he regressed considerably this year.
I never said that
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Will will (ha!) be much better next year.
Things we said last year. Granted, he had a good freshman year, but he regressed considerably this year.
You can also list that under "things we say next year".
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Maybe Will was still battling the emotional hurt caused by Trim?
I know I shouldn't because he's just a freshman undersized big who has given us some good games, but I've really been getting quite angry at Gip over the last few games. He has an amazing ability to not be in the right place and not grab rebounds.
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Will will (ha!) be much better next year.
Things we said last year. Granted, he had a good freshman year, but he regressed considerably this year.
You can also list that under "things we say next year".
And the year after that it will be "we'll be better next year (without will)"
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Maybe Will was still battling the emotional hurt caused by Trim?
I know I shouldn't because he's just a freshman undersized big who has given us some good games, but I've really been getting quite angry at Gip over the last few games. He has an amazing ability to not be in the right place and not grab rebounds.
Trim was a dick, but Will's reaction says it all. A player who is capable of ever being good would have shoved Trim down the stairs for that.
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Rumbling's that Will has actually had mono for the last 2 months.
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I got ripped here when I called Will Washburn talent last December.
Rightly so. Looks like a Baker boy to me now.
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Rumbling's that Will has actually had mono for the last 2 months.
If that is true, then Frank should have let him rest. Will is not going to get over his mono by playing shitty basketball.
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JO played great. Will should probably be put out of his misery. Martavious had some nice minutes off the bench. Rodney played like crap, Angel was up and down, Jamar wasn't even on the floor as far as I could tell.
Maybe Frank should "shut Will down" like they do to starting pitchers at the end of a baseball season. Just give him the rest of the year off.
and then the next two so he's ready for his insurance career. fresh legs.
He will work in the energy sector. Obviously.
it's been pretty quiet on the clent job front
Vic is going to work at Koch.
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Everyone not named JO or Irving should line up for a gauntlet of punches to the kidneys
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Everyone not named JO or Irving should line up for a gauntlet of punches to the kidneys
That cost us the cotton bowl :dunno:
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Remember when Will drove baseline and tried that underhand scoop shot that slammed into the bottom of the backboard? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yep. It was right before the possession where he got his pocket picked by QUINCY ACY, which was right before the possession where he bricked (yet another) wide open jumper.
Great Will stretch right there.
On the other hand, 'Tay had 9 pts, 3 rebs, and an assist in 15 minutes.
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tay also played dogshit defense the entire time he was in the game
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I really don't blame our guys for wanting to avoid the Baylor/KU/Missouri combo for the third time this year. I mean who really wants to play three games like that and then go into the NCAA tournament? We don't have a team who can play at 65% effort and still win ball games.
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I know points aren't all that matters but when your front line goes 10, 22, 14, 12, and 4.......and theres a guy on the bench got 9 in half the minutes of the guy that had the four. :dunno:
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I think Irving would have absolutely destroyed Will in a pre-game guarded 3 point shooting contest today. There is no doubt about that.
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tay also played dogshit defense the entire time he was in the game
He was trying to fit in with the rest of the team.
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I know points aren't all that matters but when your front line goes 10, 22, 14, 12, and 4.......and theres a guy on the bench got 9 in half the minutes of the guy that had the four. :dunno:
I don't believe that you are as big of a rough ridin' idiot in your real life goings on as you are on here but if you are I congratulate you for being able to login to a website.
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I know points aren't all that matters but when your front line goes 10, 22, 14, 12, and 4.......and theres a guy on the bench got 9 in half the minutes of the guy that had the four. :dunno:
I don't believe that you are as big of a rough ridin' idiot in your real life goings on as you are on here but if you are I congratulate you for being able to login to a website.
:sdeek:
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I know points aren't all that matters but when your front line goes 10, 22, 14, 12, and 4.......and theres a guy on the bench got 9 in half the minutes of the guy that had the four. :dunno:
I don't believe that you are as big of a rough ridin' idiot in your real life goings on as you are on here but if you are I congratulate you for being able to login to a website.
I had someone do it for me the first time and clicked on stay logged in forever for me. :gocho:
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I'm sorry sundance, that was pretty hardcore on my part
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I'm sorry sundance, that was pretty hardcore on my part
I don't come here for acceptance, and thus don't filter my commentary. If I thought I spit pure gold on here all the time, well then I'd really be an idiot.
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#teamtay
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I don't understand why tay can't keep anyone in front of him. NOt physical enough? He seems like he should be quick enough. He's not very long I guess.
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Martavious has no spot on a legit basketball team though (other than the spot he has on ours). He got some kind of rep. with our Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fans as a good defender. He's a sub 6 ft. shooting guard that isn't a great shooter. If he's in the game Frank is going to have Angel out. Frank will not have them in the game at the same time. It's going to be Angel/Shane or Will/Tay. Of those two Angel/Shane is by far our better lineup if only for Angel to be able to push the ball. I like him in his fill minutes role now. He can help us, we are in trouble if we can't come up with a better starting 2 though.
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Martavious has no spot on a legit basketball team though (other than the spot he has on ours). He got some kind of rep. with our Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fans as a good defender. He's a sub 6 ft. shooting guard that isn't a great shooter. If he's in the game Frank is going to have Angel out. Frank will not have them in the game at the same time. It's going to be Angel/Shane or Will/Tay. Of those two Angel/Shane is by far our better lineup if only for Angel to be able to push the ball. I like him in his fill minutes role now. He can help us, we are in trouble if we can't come up with a better starting 2 though.
:rolleyes:
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Martavious has no spot on a legit basketball team though (other than the spot he has on ours). He got some kind of rep. with our Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fans as a good defender. He's a sub 6 ft. shooting guard that isn't a great shooter. If he's in the game Frank is going to have Angel out. Frank will not have them in the game at the same time. It's going to be Angel/Shane or Will/Tay. Of those two Angel/Shane is by far our better lineup if only for Angel to be able to push the ball. I like him in his fill minutes role now. He can help us, we are in trouble if we can't come up with a better starting 2 though.
:rolleyes:
good contribution dork
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On the other hand, 'Tay had 9 pts, 3 rebs, and an assist in 15 minutes.
:surprised:
Why does Frank hate 'Tay?
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I'm sorry sundance, that was pretty hardcore on my part
I don't come here for acceptance, and thus don't filter my commentary. If I thought I spit pure gold on here all the time, well then I'd really be an idiot.
:surprised:
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Martavious has no spot on a legit basketball team though (other than the spot he has on ours). He got some kind of rep. with our Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fans as a good defender. He's a sub 6 ft. shooting guard that isn't a great shooter. If he's in the game Frank is going to have Angel out. Frank will not have them in the game at the same time. It's going to be Angel/Shane or Will/Tay. Of those two Angel/Shane is by far our better lineup if only for Angel to be able to push the ball. I like him in his fill minutes role now. He can help us, we are in trouble if we can't come up with a better starting 2 though.
:rolleyes:
good contribution dork
The Tay haters don't warrant coherent responses.
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Martavious has no spot on a legit basketball team though (other than the spot he has on ours). He got some kind of rep. with our Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fans as a good defender. He's a sub 6 ft. shooting guard that isn't a great shooter. If he's in the game Frank is going to have Angel out. Frank will not have them in the game at the same time. It's going to be Angel/Shane or Will/Tay. Of those two Angel/Shane is by far our better lineup if only for Angel to be able to push the ball. I like him in his fill minutes role now. He can help us, we are in trouble if we can't come up with a better starting 2 though.
:rolleyes:
good contribution dork
The Tay haters don't warrant coherent responses.
which part do you disagree with?
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I know I've put you in a tough spot. After two no-answer posts you either have to tuck tail and run or put some kind of bullshit post down. I don't envy your position but I respect how hard you are defending it.
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steve, I would like to see 'Tay and Angel start along with McGruds, JamSam, and JO. Give Spradling 15-20 minutes a game and play your starters for 30+ minutes a game. Frank needs to quit with the musical chairs and figure out his best lineup.
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steve, I would like to see 'Tay and Angel start along with McGruds, JamSam, and JO. Give Spradling 15-20 minutes a game and play your starters for 30+ minutes a game. Frank needs to quit with the musical chairs and figure out his best lineup.
Yeah I mean that would be nice, but that will never happen with Frank.
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I know I've put you in a tough spot. After two no-answer posts you either have to tuck tail and run or put some kind of bullshit post down. I don't envy your position but I respect how hard you are defending it.
You gave me four minutes to respond before this? Geez..
I disagreed with the Tay has no spot on a legit team. He's show to be a better shooter than Will over most of the season, he doesn't turn the ball over compared to Angel, and he doesn't look like a dumbass dribbling the ball like Shane does. He drives with authority and has the physical skills to go right at post players, where the other 3 don't (Angel can at times).
Who cares if his D sucks? Between the four of them, they all suck at defense. Does it really matter if Jackson is blowing by Angel, Will or Tay? What's your point?
The optimal 1-2 is Angel/Tay.
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Will and Angel don't suck at defense. You don't have the second best defense in the Big 12 with two players sucking for 30 minutes/game.
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Will and Angel don't suck at defense. You don't have the second best defense in the Big 12 with two players sucking for 30 minutes/game.
I guess my point is there's no discernible difference in all of them.
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i don't think will is very good at defense.
he might be the weakest of our starters.
so you can be 2nd best defense in the b12 with a weak defender.
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Defensively as a team or individuals was really bad. I can't blame any single player.
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i don't think will is very good at defense.
he might be the weakest of our starters.
so you can be 2nd best defense in the b12 with a weak defender.
I would put Will at average at worst. He is really good away from the ball.* *important.
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I think Tay deserves about 22-25 minutes. In conf he’s averaged about 17 minutes. I’m not sure what difference that makes. But Tay deserves more minutes and Will less.
I think the issue with Tay getting more minutes is that he’ll get exposed (this is some weird thing called diminishing returns, I think) with more minutes because he’ll have to play (longer) with a lineup that might not fit him or where he he's not "protected". For an example of this, see soph Will Spradling.
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I think Tay deserves about 22-25 minutes. In conf he’s averaged about 17 minutes. I’m not sure what difference that makes. But Tay deserves more minutes and Will less.
I think the issue with Tay getting more minutes is that he’ll get exposed (this is some weird thing called diminishing returns, I think) with more minutes because he’ll have to play (longer) with a lineup that might not fit him or where he he's not "protected". For an example of this, see soph Will Spradling.
I agree 100%
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Lots of pathetic-ness on our part today, but I will admit that Baylor is supremely talented compared to us. That being said our physicality and aggressiveness typically make up for the talent gap. Today neither was there. JO is really the only guy that deserves some praise.
Pierre Jackson is tough to keep in front and our bigs just did not help in that regard after he blew by whichever guard was on him.
Also, surprisingly, Baylor's switch to man to man (for what seemed like the entire 2nd half) really was a good coaching move by Drew (I hate typing those words).
We'll end up an 8 or 9 seed, which is better than most on this board ever thought we would be...
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I know I've put you in a tough spot. After two no-answer posts you either have to tuck tail and run or put some kind of bullshit post down. I don't envy your position but I respect how hard you are defending it.
You gave me four minutes to respond before this? Geez..
I disagreed with the Tay has no spot on a legit team.
I said he doesn't have a spot other than what he is for us currently which is a spot minute undersized 2 (because we have no better option)
He's show to be a better shooter than Will over most of the season
Will's a better shooter, you know that
he doesn't turn the ball over compared to Angel
They don't play the same position, he also doesn't bring to the table what angel does at his position
and he doesn't look like a dumbass dribbling the ball like Shane does
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He drives with authority and has the physical skills to go right at post players, where the other 3 don't (Angel can at times).
Angel is much better at driving and seeing his players on the drive. I like Martavious attacking the basket.
Who cares if his D sucks?
Me and everyone else that wants to win
Between the four of them, does it really matter if Jackson is blowing by Angel, Will or Tay? What's your pointhey all suck at defense.
Martavious can't guard his position depending on the matchup. He's too short to be a consistent 2 guard defender. Will and Angel are good on the ball, Martavious isn't
The optimal 1-2 is Angel/Tay.
Would like to see it in action to make a judgement. Could be good depending on matchups
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I think Tay deserves about 22-25 minutes. In conf he’s averaged about 17 minutes. I’m not sure what difference that makes. But Tay deserves more minutes and Will less.
I think the issue with Tay getting more minutes is that he’ll get exposed (this is some weird thing called diminishing returns, I think) with more minutes because he’ll have to play (longer) with a lineup that might not fit him or where he he's not "protected". For an example of this, see soph Will Spradling.
I agree 100%
I think everyone not named steve dave agrees 100% with that.
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I like having Martavious on the team. But, and you know this, if Martavious Irving is a starting 2 for your basketball team you should be happy as crap to be in the NCAA tournament.
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I think Tay deserves about 22-25 minutes. In conf he’s averaged about 17 minutes. I’m not sure what difference that makes. But Tay deserves more minutes and Will less.
I think the issue with Tay getting more minutes is that he’ll get exposed (this is some weird thing called diminishing returns, I think) with more minutes because he’ll have to play (longer) with a lineup that might not fit him or where he he's not "protected". For an example of this, see soph Will Spradling.
I agree 100%
I think everyone not named steve dave agrees 100% with that.
I agree with that you dumbass.
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I know I've put you in a tough spot. After two no-answer posts you either have to tuck tail and run or put some kind of bullshit post down. I don't envy your position but I respect how hard you are defending it.
You gave me four minutes to respond before this? Geez..
I disagreed with the Tay has no spot on a legit team.
I said he doesn't have a spot other than what he is for us currently which is a spot minute undersized 2 (because we have no better option)
He's show to be a better shooter than Will over most of the season
Will's a better shooter, you know that
he doesn't turn the ball over compared to Angel
They don't play the same position, he also doesn't bring to the table what angel does at his position
and he doesn't look like a dumbass dribbling the ball like Shane does
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He drives with authority and has the physical skills to go right at post players, where the other 3 don't (Angel can at times).
Angel is much better at driving and seeing his players on the drive. I like Martavious attacking the basket.
Who cares if his D sucks?
Me and everyone else that wants to win
Between the four of them, does it really matter if Jackson is blowing by Angel, Will or Tay? What's your pointhey all suck at defense.
Martavious can't guard his position depending on the matchup. He's too short to be a consistent 2 guard defender. Will and Angel are good on the ball, Martavious isn't
The optimal 1-2 is Angel/Tay.
Would like to see it in action to make a judgement. Could be good depending on matchups
At what point in the season do we admit that Will ain't coming out of his shooting slump? In his limited minutes, Tay has proven to be a better shooter. 45% (Tay) compared to 36% (Will) compared to 36% (Angel) for the year. If you guys want to keep arguing about which defender sucks the most, go ahead.
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I like having Martavious on the team. But, and you know this, if Martavious Irving is a starting 2 for your basketball team you should be happy as crap to be in the NCAA tournament.
And we're a rock solid tourney team with Will?
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we got where we are on defense. it's not pretty and people who live around ku fans will bitch because we don't look like them but it is what we do/are. you know will is a better shooter than martavious. you can say you don't and claim will is what his % this year says he is but you are lying to yourself if you have an open 3 and you want martavious taking it instead of will.
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I like having Martavious on the team. But, and you know this, if Martavious Irving is a starting 2 for your basketball team you should be happy as crap to be in the NCAA tournament.
And we're a rock solid tourney team with Will?
aren't you dissapointed at this very moment?
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we got where we are on defense. it's not pretty and people who live around ku fans will bitch because we don't look like them but it is what we do/are. you know will is a better shooter than martavious. you can say you don't and claim will is what his % this year says he is but you are lying to yourself if you have an open 3 and you want martavious taking it instead of will.
Last time I checked 45% is better odds than 36%. Not sure though, may recalc. Give me a min...
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we got where we are on defense. it's not pretty and people who live around ku fans will bitch because we don't look like them but it is what we do/are. you know will is a better shooter than martavious. you can say you don't and claim will is what his % this year says he is but you are lying to yourself if you have an open 3 and you want martavious taking it instead of will.
Last time I checked 45% is better odds than 36%. Not sure though, may recalc. Give me a min...
hurhurhur
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ok, yes, much better odds with Tay.
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we got where we are on defense. it's not pretty and people who live around ku fans will bitch because we don't look like them but it is what we do/are. you know will is a better shooter than martavious. you can say you don't and claim will is what his % this year says he is but you are lying to yourself if you have an open 3 and you want martavious taking it instead of will.
+1
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I think the Tay v Will issue will change with a more reliable/consistent Angel.
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ok, yes, much better odds with Tay.
Tay is a 32% on his career as a Jr. Will is a 35% as a So. Will will end his career higher even including this awful season.
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you are lying to yourself if you have an open 3 and you want martavious taking it instead of will.
I want Tay shooting it :dunno:
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you are lying to yourself if you have an open 3 and you want martavious taking it instead of will.
I want Tay shooting it :dunno:
that's a shocker bigwill
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FWIW, I also agree w/ everything sd is saying (except I would rather ignore career stats and have tay take an open 3 at this point).
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you are lying to yourself if you have an open 3 and you want martavious taking it instead of will.
I want Tay shooting it :dunno:
Against my better judgement, I am agreeing with BW20 on this one.
Over a career, I get it, but over the last several games, it's Tay.
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ok, yes, much better odds with Tay.
Tay is a 32% on his career as a Jr. Will is a 35% as a So. Will will end his career much higher even including this awful season.
how on earth could you be so confident? fair point on tay with career numbers, but i'm tired of the will is going to bounce out of his slump talk.
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ok, yes, much better odds with Tay.
Tay is a 32% on his career as a Jr. Will is a 35% as a So. Will will end his career much higher even including this awful season.
how on earth could you be so confident? fair point on tay with career numbers, but i'm tired of the will is going to bounce out of his slump talk.
ok, we will see either way. I'm confident in it.
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ok, yes, much better odds with Tay.
Tay is a 32% on his career as a Jr. Will is a 35% as a So. Will will end his career much higher even including this awful season.
how on earth could you be so confident? fair point on tay with career numbers, but i'm tired of the will is going to bounce out of his slump talk.
I'm tired of the "Will peaked as a freshman and will probably be this bad forever" talk.
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ok, yes, much better odds with Tay.
Tay is a 32% on his career as a Jr. Will is a 35% as a So. Will will end his career much higher even including this awful season.
how on earth could you be so confident? fair point on tay with career numbers, but i'm tired of the will is going to bounce out of his slump talk.
I'm tired of the "Will peaked as a freshman and will probably be this bad forever" talk.
I've never said that. He's somewhere between last year good and this year bad.
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ok, yes, much better odds with Tay.
Tay is a 32% on his career as a Jr. Will is a 35% as a So. Will will end his career much higher even including this awful season.
how on earth could you be so confident? fair point on tay with career numbers, but i'm tired of the will is going to bounce out of his slump talk.
I'm tired of the "Will peaked as a freshman and will probably be this bad forever" talk.
I've never said that. He's somewhere between last year good and this year bad.
I'm pretty sure you just said he peaked as a freshman you rough ridin' dolt.
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you are lying to yourself if you have an open 3 and you want martavious taking it instead of will.
I want Tay shooting it :dunno:
that's a shocker bigwill
I would have called someone saying that last year a dumbass too. It's a new year though and Tay is shooting a higher %, has more confidence, and is not acting like a general all-around pussy with the ball.
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Remember when Will drove baseline and tried that underhand scoop shot that slammed into the bottom of the backboard? :lol: :lol: :lol:
yes, I remember the crap out of it. :curse:
Hey dudes, I haven't eaten any food since lunch yesterday and had 10 beers since. Should I nap or go fight someone?
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ok, yes, much better odds with Tay.
Tay is a 32% on his career as a Jr. Will is a 35% as a So. Will will end his career much higher even including this awful season.
how on earth could you be so confident? fair point on tay with career numbers, but i'm tired of the will is going to bounce out of his slump talk.
I'm tired of the "Will peaked as a freshman and will probably be this bad forever" talk.
Agreed. He will get better. he pretty much has to given that he will be working out and playing under professional supervision for two more years and offseasons. However, everyone's ceiling is diff. Will's ceiling may be strictly a passable shooter with hard effort defense. Right now he is a victim of expectations built by our staff.
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Nick Russell>Tay :blank:
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ok, yes, much better odds with Tay.
Tay is a 32% on his career as a Jr. Will is a 35% as a So. Will will end his career much higher even including this awful season.
how on earth could you be so confident? fair point on tay with career numbers, but i'm tired of the will is going to bounce out of his slump talk.
I'm tired of the "Will peaked as a freshman and will probably be this bad forever" talk.
I've never said that. He's somewhere between last year good and this year bad.
I'm pretty sure you just said he peaked as a freshman you rough ridin' dolt.
link?
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Remember when Will drove baseline and tried that underhand scoop shot that slammed into the bottom of the backboard? :lol: :lol: :lol:
yes, I remember the crap out of it. :curse:
Hey dudes, I haven't eaten any food since lunch yesterday and had 10 beers since. Should I nap or go fight someone?
fight
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Right now he is a victim of expectations built by our staff.
I keep hearing this, and it's rough ridin' stupid. What are they expecting him to do? He doesn't shoot much, doesn't handle the ball much when Angel's in the game. I mean he's basically been nothing but a ball-reverser who takes a wide open 3 a couple times a game. WHAT RIDICULOUS EXPECTATIONS DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT.
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Nick Russell>Tay :blank:
Vs ISU, yes. Vs pretty much any other team... :dubious:
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Remember when Will drove baseline and tried that underhand scoop shot that slammed into the bottom of the backboard? :lol: :lol: :lol:
yes, I remember the crap out of it. :curse:
Hey dudes, I haven't eaten any food since lunch yesterday and had 10 beers since. Should I nap or go fight someone?
fight
Bingo. I am going to fight the fattest person in my 180 degree radius. They will be a Baylor or ju fan.
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Right now he is a victim of expectations built by our staff.
I keep hearing this, and it's rough ridin' stupid. What are they expecting him to do? He doesn't shoot much, doesn't handle the ball much when Angel's in the game. I mean he's basically been nothing but a ball-reverser who takes a wide open 3 a couple times a game. WHAT RIDICULOUS EXPECTATIONS DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT.
they mean fans when they say staff
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This reminds me of the Morningreed vs. Elijah Johnson debates. Turns out the Elijah Johnson group was right.
:kstategrad:
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Right now he is a victim of expectations built by our staff.
I keep hearing this, and it's rough ridin' stupid. What are they expecting him to do? He doesn't shoot much, doesn't handle the ball much when Angel's in the game. I mean he's basically been nothing but a ball-reverser who takes a wide open 3 a couple times a game. WHAT RIDICULOUS EXPECTATIONS DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT.
Frank has spent many an interview telling all tuning in how much of a leader will is,how much ability he has, and how he is the future of the team. It is not stupid to hear that from a head coach and expect that player to do well.
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This reminds me of the Morningreed vs. Elijah Johnson debates. Turns out the Elijah Johnson group was right.
:kstategrad:
This has nothing to do with that argument.
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I really hate Will.
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This reminds me of the Morningreed vs. Elijah Johnson debates. Turns out the Elijah Johnson group was right.
:kstategrad:
You are rough ridin' up all good karma you had. Be happy, don't be too happy though.
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Frank has spent many an interview telling all tuning in how much of a leader will is,how much ability he has, and how he is the future of the team. It is not stupid to hear that from a head coach and expect that player to do well.
Pro tip: coaches spew pure bullshit in interviews, especially when they mention "leadership"
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Frank has spent many an interview telling all tuning in how much of a leader will is,how much ability he has, and how he is the future of the team. It is not stupid to hear that from a head coach and expect that player to do well.
Pro tip: coaches spew pure bullshit in interviews, especially when they mention "leadership"
I understand coaches and their BS and it's uses/reasons, but you usually don't see such tactics being applied to a kid immediately. Jr yr, sure. end of Frosh yr, not usually.
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This reminds me of the Morningreed vs. Elijah Johnson debates. Turns out the Elijah Johnson group was right.
:kstategrad:
You are rough ridin' up all good karma you had. Be happy, don't be too happy though.
I'm rough ridin' up my good karma because I think 'Tay is better than Spradling? Untuck the shirt, bro.
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Frank has spent many an interview telling all tuning in how much of a leader will is,how much ability he has, and how he is the future of the team. It is not stupid to hear that from a head coach and expect that player to do well.
Pro tip: coaches spew pure bullshit in interviews, especially when they mention "leadership"
I understand coaches and their BS and it's uses/reasons, but you usually don't see such tactics being applied to a kid immediately. Jr yr, sure. end of Frosh yr, not usually.
LP. I really don't know what you're talking about. (I don't think it means anything, I just am curious).
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This reminds me of the Morningreed vs. Elijah Johnson debates. Turns out the Elijah Johnson group was right.
:kstategrad:
This has nothing to do with that argument.
Sure it does. White shooter/"solid defender" vs. black shooter/higher potential. It is the same exact argument.
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I really hate Will.
I don't hate Will. I hate that he is given so much time. I would love Will if he was our first guard off the bench and our 2 position was better than it is now.
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Frank has spent many an interview telling all tuning in how much of a leader will is,how much ability he has, and how he is the future of the team. It is not stupid to hear that from a head coach and expect that player to do well.
Pro tip: coaches spew pure bullshit in interviews, especially when they mention "leadership"
So....what's the juice? What are us idiots missing? We are too stupid to get it. Just a bunch of morons who never played. Tell all of the dumbasses here what's up. Not too much to ask because I just paid money to watch Will miss every shot he took and play dogshit defense. I admit, I never played basketball like Ben or you and all you guys who know basketball.
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Frank has spent many an interview telling all tuning in how much of a leader will is,how much ability he has, and how he is the future of the team. It is not stupid to hear that from a head coach and expect that player to do well.
Pro tip: coaches spew pure bullshit in interviews, especially when they mention "leadership"
I understand coaches and their BS and it's uses/reasons, but you usually don't see such tactics being applied to a kid immediately. Jr yr, sure. end of Frosh yr, not usually.
LP. I really don't know what you're talking about. (I don't think it means anything, I just am curious).
What I am saying is that Frank started building Will up immediately after last year's play ended. It just sucks that all that was basically just a challenge to Will and Will's ability isn't the level you would expect given the size of challenge.
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This reminds me of the Morningreed vs. Elijah Johnson debates. Turns out the Elijah Johnson group was right.
:kstategrad:
You are rough ridin' up all good karma you had. Be happy, don't be too happy though.
I'm rough ridin' up my good karma because I think 'Tay is better than Spradling? Untuck the shirt, bro.
did your post even say that? I rough ridin' agree. Will sux.
Get on a goddamm flight right now because I have 2 tickets for all games and you and I will anger bomb the slavers into submission on Saturday. AND, I know a gal who will be you number 69!
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feels like we don't have much talent at times. negative nancy, i know.
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I think the Tay v Will issue will change with a more reliable/consistent Angel.
I'm concerned about this. Not that angel won't get better, but how much by next year? I dunno. If there was any year for frank to hit a Pierre Jackson in the spring, it would be this year.
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feels like we don't have much talent at times. negative nancy, i know.
today's game was a good example
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I think the Tay v Will issue will change with a more reliable/consistent Angel.
I'm concerned about this. Not that angel won't get better, but how much by next year? I dunno. If there was any year for frank to hit a Pierre Jackson in the spring, it would be this year.
Given Angel's gains just this season you gotta be able to say that it will at least be better. How much? I get it.
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This reminds me of the Morningreed vs. Elijah Johnson debates. Turns out the Elijah Johnson group was right.
:kstategrad:
You are rough ridin' up all good karma you had. Be happy, don't be too happy though.
I'm rough ridin' up my good karma because I think 'Tay is better than Spradling? Untuck the shirt, bro.
did your post even say that? I rough ridin' agree. Will sux.
Get on a goddamm flight right now because I have 2 tickets for all games and you and I will anger bomb the slavers into submission on Saturday. AND, I know a gal who will be you number 69!
wow, great post. :thumbs:
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This reminds me of the Morningreed vs. Elijah Johnson debates. Turns out the Elijah Johnson group was right.
:kstategrad:
You are rough ridin' up all good karma you had. Be happy, don't be too happy though.
I'm rough ridin' up my good karma because I think 'Tay is better than Spradling? Untuck the shirt, bro.
did your post even say that? I rough ridin' agree. Will sux.
Get on a goddamm flight right now because I have 2 tickets for all games and you and I will anger bomb the slavers into submission on Saturday. AND, I know a gal who will be you number 69!
:love: :love: :love:
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lsoc TSC's like nobody else TSCs.
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Frank has spent many an interview telling all tuning in how much of a leader will is,how much ability he has, and how he is the future of the team. It is not stupid to hear that from a head coach and expect that player to do well.
Pro tip: coaches spew pure bullshit in interviews, especially when they mention "leadership"
So....what's the juice? What are us idiots missing? We are too stupid to get it. Just a bunch of morons who never played. Tell all of the dumbasses here what's up. Not too much to ask because I just paid money to watch Will miss every shot he took and play dogshit defense. I admit, I never played basketball like Ben or you and all you guys who know basketball.
Easy, hot shot. I'm not saying he didn't suck today, I'm saying Frank doesn't think Will is a rough ridin' star or something. People seem to think Frank is expecting him to be Pullen or something when absolutely nothing has shown that to be the case.
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how could you say no to that?
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1) no way Will should be playing 32-35 minutes in a game .............. If he is playing very well (most games he has not) then playing him 30 is fine.
2) Tay needs to get minutes (probaly under 20 but by no meens should the number be 10-12). Needs to get more minutes when Will is sucking.
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what nobody here apparently understands is that tay is not a sub for will with frank
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what nobody here apparently understands is that tay is not a sub for will
I don't think anyone is saying that? The bottom line is Will is playing too many minutes
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I'm concerned about this. Not that angel won't get better, but how much by next year? I dunno. If there was any year for frank to hit a Pierre Jackson in the spring, it would be this year.
I'm fully comfortable with Angel playing 30+ minutes/game next year and I think it will be "good enough". Hope to see more from Jones, too.
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Frank has spent many an interview telling all tuning in how much of a leader will is,how much ability he has, and how he is the future of the team. It is not stupid to hear that from a head coach and expect that player to do well.
Pro tip: coaches spew pure bullshit in interviews, especially when they mention "leadership"
So....what's the juice? What are us idiots missing? We are too stupid to get it. Just a bunch of morons who never played. Tell all of the dumbasses here what's up. Not too much to ask because I just paid money to watch Will miss every shot he took and play dogshit defense. I admit, I never played basketball like Ben or you and all you guys who know basketball.
Easy, hot shot. I'm not saying he didn't suck today, I'm saying Frank doesn't think Will is a rough ridin' star or something. People seem to think Frank is expecting him to be Pullen or something when absolutely nothing has shown that to be the case.
"hot shot"? rough ridin' please. Don't patronize people. Sorry that I came off angry but the game today was a gasoline tanker interstate crash.
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"hot shot"? rough ridin' please. Don't patronize people. Sorry that I came off angry but the game today was a gasoline tanker interstate crash.
"champ"? :ck:
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what nobody here apparently understands is that tay is not a sub for will
I don't think anyone is saying that? The bottom line is Will is playing too many minutes
look at frank's guard lineups. you can't say less will without saying less martavious. you can't say more martavious without saying more will. I'm not saying this is what it should be but Jones injury basically made this what it is with frank. angel does not play with martavious much. will does not play with shane much. Now, this could go back to the angel/martavious should play together talking point which is fine. but realize what it is.
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"hot shot"? rough ridin' please. Don't patronize people. Sorry that I came off angry but the game today was a gasoline tanker interstate crash.
"champ"? :ck:
did you just quote a word I didn't use? :tipscaptowinner:
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Frank has spent many an interview telling all tuning in how much of a leader will is,how much ability he has, and how he is the future of the team. It is not stupid to hear that from a head coach and expect that player to do well.
Pro tip: coaches spew pure bullshit in interviews, especially when they mention "leadership"
So....what's the juice? What are us idiots missing? We are too stupid to get it. Just a bunch of morons who never played. Tell all of the dumbasses here what's up. Not too much to ask because I just paid money to watch Will miss every shot he took and play dogshit defense. I admit, I never played basketball like Ben or you and all you guys who know basketball.
Easy, hot shot. I'm not saying he didn't suck today, I'm saying Frank doesn't think Will is a rough ridin' star or something. People seem to think Frank is expecting him to be Pullen or something when absolutely nothing has shown that to be the case.
There is a big gap between being pullen and being good. I certainly am not expressing disappointment that he isn't Jake.
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what nobody here apparently understands is that tay is not a sub for will
I don't think anyone is saying that? The bottom line is Will is playing too many minutes
look at frank's guard lineups. you can't say less will without saying less martavious. you can't say more martavious without saying more will. I'm not saying this is what it should be but Jones injury basically made this what it is with frank. angel does not play with martavious much. will does not play with shane much. Now, this could go back to the angel/martavious should play together talking point which is fine. but realize what it is.
I'm pretty sure people who want Tay to take some of Will's minutes are implying that Frank should be more comfortable playing Angel and Tay together, no?
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I really don't blame our guys for wanting to avoid the Baylor/KU/Missouri combo for the third time this year. I mean who really wants to play three games like that and then go into the NCAA tournament? We don't have a team who can play at 65% effort and still win ball games.
I can hang my hat on it for the next 7 or 8 days.
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what nobody here apparently understands is that tay is not a sub for will
I don't think anyone is saying that? The bottom line is Will is playing too many minutes
look at frank's guard lineups. you can't say less will without saying less martavious. you can't say more martavious without saying more will. I'm not saying this is what it should be but Jones injury basically made this what it is with frank. angel does not play with martavious much. will does not play with shane much. Now, this could go back to the angel/martavious should play together talking point which is fine. but realize what it is.
I'm pretty sure people who want Tay to take some of Will's minutes are implying that Frank should be more comfortable playing Angel and Tay together, no?
how the eff should I know what they are implying? to me they are implying that they have no idea who's on the court with whom at any time and only watch the ball and like the guy who make it go in the basket which is the vibe I get from a lot of our fans (not on goEMAW).
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Don't be dumb by getting riled up at this obvious and harmless loss, sd.
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Don't be dumb by getting riled up at this obvious and harmless loss, sd.
I'm not riled up kougz, sorry about your talking point getting humiliated
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Don't be dumb by getting riled up at this obvious and harmless loss, sd.
I'm not riled up kougz, sorry about your talking point getting humiliated
What was my tp?
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I get the player nitpicking, but the defense stunk. Individual player arguments are meaningless to me after a game like that.
JMHO
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Don't be dumb by getting riled up at this obvious and harmless loss, sd.
every loss sucks when you are there. harmless or not.
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Don't be dumb by getting riled up at this obvious and harmless loss, sd.
I'm not riled up kougz, sorry about your talking point getting humiliated
What was my tp?
about martavious needing more minutes
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Don't be dumb by getting riled up at this obvious and harmless loss, sd.
I'm not riled up kougz, sorry about your talking point getting humiliated
What was my tp?
about martavious needing more minutes
Oh, you mean the tp you "100% agreed with, dumbass"?
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Don't be dumb by getting riled up at this obvious and harmless loss, sd.
I'm not riled up kougz, sorry about your talking point getting humiliated
What was my tp?
about martavious needing more minutes
Oh, you mean the tp you "100% agreed with, dumbass"?
good luck with your more will (fatty would have made a comment about misusing the quotes there and it would have been glorious)
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Don't be dumb by getting riled up at this obvious and harmless loss, sd.
I'm not riled up kougz, sorry about your talking point getting humiliated
What was my tp?
about martavious needing more minutes
Oh, you mean the tp you "100% agreed with, dumbass"?
good luck with your more will (fatty would have made a comment about misusing the quotes there and it would have been glorious)
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=19757.msg481137#msg481137
:dubious:
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kougz, you and I man. you and I. :thumbs:
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kougz, you and I man. you and I. :thumbs:
I know :love:
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Will Spradling might be the worst starting guard in the history of the Big 12.
he is def. in the running for worst soph. starting G.
Like I said, Will's shittiness will never surprise me again.
Until further notice, it's who he is.
well our stupid rough ridin' coach keeps playing him 30 minutes per game
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Is your name JO? If not, and you play for the KSU wildcats you were pathetic today.
/thread
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#TeamShane :bball:
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We really aren't winning any hearts and minds at the KC Chamber. K-State basically comes to town, has a cup of coffee and maybe a sandwich, goes and takes a dump at mid-court of the Sprint Center and then heads back to Manhattan.
Hard to be KansasStateCity when you don't spend much time there.
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We really aren't winning any hearts and minds at the KC Chamber. K-State basically comes to town, has a cup of coffee and maybe a sandwich, goes and takes a dump at mid-court of the Sprint Center and then heads back to Manhattan.
Hard to be KansasStateCity when you don't spend much time there.
ku looks much better to them huh dax
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Will hasn't improved in a single statistical number in conference from last year, Shane and Jones will pass him in the off season, maybe crazy Frank is preparing Will to be the six man for his senior year, I have no idea how Will progress offensively beside shacking his slump. :dunno: Only thing that makes sense
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We really aren't winning any hearts and minds at the KC Chamber. K-State basically comes to town, has a cup of coffee and maybe a sandwich, goes and takes a dump at mid-court of the Sprint Center and then heads back to Manhattan.
Hard to be KansasStateCity when you don't spend much time there.
ku looks much better to them huh dax
KansasStateCity SD.
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I'm concerned about this. Not that angel won't get better, but how much by next year? I dunno. If there was any year for frank to hit a Pierre Jackson in the spring, it would be this year.
I'm fully comfortable with Angel playing 30+ minutes/game next year and I think it will be "good enough". Hope to see more from Jones, too.
I'm surprised that the first Jones reference in this thread came on page 6.
If people want someone to replace Will, Jones is the guy that's going to do it.
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Is your name JO? If not, and you play for the KSU wildcats you were pathetic today.
/thread
Tay tay?
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Is your name JO or Tay? If not, and you play for the KSU wildcats you were pathetic today.
/thread
Tay tay?
Fixed.
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My vote is for Mellinger. Frank peaked 3 years into his career.
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/08/3478547/is-this-as-good-as-martins-wildcats.html
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My vote is for Mellinger. Frank peaked 3 years into his career.
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/08/3478547/is-this-as-good-as-martins-wildcats.html
meh
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My vote is for Mellinger. Frank peaked 3 years into his career.
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/08/3478547/is-this-as-good-as-martins-wildcats.html
K-State has missed on too many of its top targets recently, and the whispers around basketball circles grow louder about the best players wanting to avoid Martin’s style.
:ohno:
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Hilarious that anyone would think Sam Mellinger is privy to the "whispers" in any inner circles in any sport.
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Hilarious that anyone would think Sam Mellinger is privy to the "whispers" in any inner circles in any sport.
this.
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I am supprised we didn't get any negative remarks about MHK being a "tough place to recruit to" from the Lawrencetucky native
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the idea that the "best" players wanted to play for frank (after our dca connection went bad) is an absurd statement. mellinger brings up some valid points in regards to what kansas state can be, however this team appears to be his floor-ish. which isn't bad. however it was the floor without injury. The '13 class, imo, will decide whether frank can do better.
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Lamont Evans might be a badass, who knows, in his first year he has landed Upshaw a top 50 recruit and he is going have enough shoot at Malcolm Hill in 2013 another top 50 recruit, also I would say it is complete unfair to say we are not still building are program.
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I thought Sam did lovely job.
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the idea that the "best" players wanted to play for frank (after our dca connection went bad) is an absurd statement. mellinger brings up some valid points in regards to what kansas state can be, however this team appears to be his floor-ish. which isn't bad. however it was the floor without injury. The '13 class, imo, will decide whether frank can do better.
Agreed, this absolutely looks to be the floor for a Frank team. Of course the ceiling might be 2/3 more Big 12 wins. I can live with that.
BTW, I considered blaming yesterday's loss on you for your ridiculous optimism going into the game, but I decided against it.
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Well, if you stop and think about it . . . a little less on court dumbass, maybe handling some situations better and this team could have easily been 12-6 or 14-4 in conference.
Hate woulda-shoulda-coulda's but it's a legit point IMO.
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feels like we don't have much talent at times. negative nancy, i know.
today's game was a good example
I was laughing at your CJH act earlier in the thread but this is too much. You deducted that we don't have much talent because we aren't as talented as one of the top 5 (2 IMO) teams in the country? My God, in the words of you, WOOF!
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the idea that the "best" players wanted to play for frank (after our dca connection went bad) is an absurd statement. mellinger brings up some valid points in regards to what kansas state can be, however this team appears to be his floor-ish. which isn't bad. however it was the floor without injury. The '13 class, imo, will decide whether frank can do better.
Agreed, this absolutely looks to be the floor for a Frank team. Of course the ceiling might be 2/3 more Big 12 wins. I can live with that.
BTW, I considered blaming yesterday's loss on you for your ridiculous optimism going into the game, but I decided against it.
a wise man once said: let the picker's pick and the player's play
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remember when mellinger made a "hello, i'm new here" post at ksufans and he got destroyed?
seems like that might have broken him.
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remember when mellinger made a "hello, i'm new here" post at ksufans and he got destroyed?
seems like that might have broken him.
you know what's funny about that? someone pointed out he posted that on another board and I sent him a message requesting he introduce himself on ksufans only to suffer that fate.
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smellinger
:lol:
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smellinger
:lol:
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also, remember how curtis kitchen posted a "hi, i'm new" post to ksufans and he also got insulted pretty bad?
:lol:
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also, remember how curtis kitchen posted a "hi, i'm new" post to ksufans and he also got insulted pretty bad?
:lol:
IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN
:lol:
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Yeah, they don't teach "how to deal with goEMAW" in J-School. You've got to have a superior work ethic.
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i can't wait until we have the ksufans archive to go back and look at all of the amazing that happened there.
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steve, I would like to see 'Tay and Angel start along with McGruds, JamSam, and JO. Give Spradling 15-20 minutes a game and play your starters for 30+ minutes a game. Frank needs to quit with the musical chairs and figure out his best lineup.
I appreciate you engaging yourself in EMAW basketball talk, but any k-state fan that has been half paying attention quit this talking point long ago; Frank will never play his starters like that because he likes depth and mind games and most of all everyone busting their ass in practice knowing that even if they sat out all of last weeks game, they just may get 20 minutes this week. It is what it is.