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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: FP TC etc. on March 06, 2012, 12:14:58 PM
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So here's the deal, friends. I have a job and it pays pretty well and is in my field, but it's boring and I don't like it. (this is also my first real job)
A job that I would kill a homeless man for just opened up - here is my dilemma. I called the secretary and apparently an HR person is the one going through the applications, not the supervisor of the job I am applying for. However, I know who the person is that would be my supervisor.
Do I send the supervisor a cover letter and resume or just apply online like you are supposed to and not bother him?
I want to do whatever I can to get this job, but I don't want to annoy the supervisor and take myself completely out of the running.
goEMAW, you are in charge of my future. What do I do?
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send the hiring manager an email telling him you're interested and qualified, with a copy of your resume. tell him you want to meet for 30 mins and discuss the job and what he's looking for, ask him if it would be ok to schedule something. don't worry about the HR person.
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Easy, apply for the job as normal. Take your resume to the supervisor and express your interest in the job. Tell him that you applied for the job and while telling him you are interest hit the highlights of what is on your cover letter.
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send the hiring manager an email telling him you're interested and qualified, with a copy of your resume. tell him you want to meet for 30 mins and discuss the job and what he's looking for, ask him if it would be ok to schedule something. don't worry about the HR person.
Even though the "proper channel" would be to apply online?
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Easy, apply for the job as normal. Take your resume to the supervisor and express your interest in the job. Tell him that you applied for the job and while telling him you are interest hit the highlights of what is on your cover letter.
This is pretty much what I was thinking of doing. Applying online and then sending the supervisor an email expressing my interest and briefly hitting on qualifications/asking to talk further.
I'm just nervous that sending him a personal email would annoy him :dunno: Maybe I'm over-thinking it.
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send the hiring manager an email telling him you're interested and qualified, with a copy of your resume. tell him you want to meet for 30 mins and discuss the job and what he's looking for, ask him if it would be ok to schedule something. don't worry about the HR person.
Even though the "proper channel" would be to apply online?
first meet w/ him/her to determine how good of a fit it is. if it goes well, then apply online. he'll reach out to the HR person and ensure you get pooled with the interviewing candidates.
no reason to formally apply if you aren't a good candidate, and you're not going around the formal process in any way, just making an informed decision as to whether or not to post for the job.
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send the hiring manager an email telling him you're interested and qualified, with a copy of your resume. tell him you want to meet for 30 mins and discuss the job and what he's looking for, ask him if it would be ok to schedule something. don't worry about the HR person.
Even though the "proper channel" would be to apply online?
Do both. You're not bothering the supervisor guy if you show interest in working for him (or her). If he's a dick about it, you probably wouldn't want to work for him anyways.
If you want this job, be aggressive and go get that SOB.
Good luck!!
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send the hiring manager an email telling him you're interested and qualified, with a copy of your resume. tell him you want to meet for 30 mins and discuss the job and what he's looking for, ask him if it would be ok to schedule something. don't worry about the HR person.
Even though the "proper channel" would be to apply online?
first meet w/ him/her to determine how good of a fit it is. if it goes well, then apply online. he'll reach out to the HR person and ensure you get pooled with the interviewing candidates.
no reason to formally apply if you aren't a good candidate, and you're not going around the formal process in any way, just making an informed decision as to whether or not to post for the job.
BUT I AM A GOOD CANDIDATE! :curse:
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send the hiring manager an email telling him you're interested and qualified, with a copy of your resume. tell him you want to meet for 30 mins and discuss the job and what he's looking for, ask him if it would be ok to schedule something. don't worry about the HR person.
Even though the "proper channel" would be to apply online?
Do both. You're not bothering the supervisor guy if you show interest in working for him (or her). If he's a dick about it, you probably wouldn't want to work for him anyways.
If you want this job, be aggressive and go get that SOB.
Good luck!!
This is a good point. Thank you :)
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Easy, apply for the job as normal. Take your resume to the supervisor and express your interest in the job. Tell him that you applied for the job and while telling him you are interest hit the highlights of what is on your cover letter.
This is pretty much what I was thinking of doing. Applying online and then sending the supervisor an email expressing my interest and briefly hitting on qualifications/asking to talk further.
I'm just nervous that sending him a personal email would annoy him :dunno: Maybe I'm over-thinking it.
You are way overthinking it. I'm with 'clams on how to handle it. Send him an email say that you are interest in the job and would like 15-30 minutes of his time to talk about it. You won't annoy him at all. You may not get a response for a few days, but don't take it personal. It's nothing more than that he will email you back when he has a timeframe of when he wants to talk to you.
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Another peice of advice. You have to tell your current boss your intentions before you do anything if you want to keep a good relationship with them. If you have a good relationship with them and you believe they have a good relationship with the supervisor you want to work for you can work it to your advantage. Frame it as it would be a great opportunity to grow your career with that company. Do anything you can to keep your current boss in your corner. If you don't inform them from the very beginning your potential new boss may be apprehensive about you because they don't want the image of stealling you or hurting another department. When you meet with him he will ask you if your current boss knows of your aspirations, you need to be prepared to tell him "yes" honestly and hopefully you can honestly follow that up with "and they think this is an excellent opportunity for me as well."
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the only reason I suggest meeting w/ the hiring manager first, before applying, is because in some companies you can be looked down upon if you're applying for a bunch of jobs and not getting them.
meeting first will give you an indication of how he feels about you as a candidate. it really doesn't matter if you think you're a good fit.
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Another peice of advice. You have to tell your current boss your intentions before you do anything if you want to keep a good relationship with them. If you have a good relationship with them and you believe they have a good relationship with the supervisor you want to work for you can work it to your advantage. Frame it as it would be a great opportunity to grow your career with that company. Do anything you can to keep your current boss in your corner. If you don't inform them from the very beginning your potential new boss may be apprehensive about you because they don't want the image of stealling you or hurting another department. When you meet with him he will ask you if your current boss knows of your aspirations, you need to be prepared to tell him "yes" honestly and hopefully you can honestly follow that up with "and they think this is an excellent opportunity for me as well."
Already taken care of. I'm good friends with my current boss and he completely understands my situation.
the only reason I suggest meeting w/ the hiring manager first, before applying, is because in some companies you can be looked down upon if you're applying for a bunch of jobs and not getting them.
meeting first will give you an indication of how he feels about you as a candidate. it really doesn't matter if you think you're a good fit.
Gotcha. I will consider this. What about the initial email? Should I use that opportunity to talk about my qualifications or keep that to a minimum?
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Hi (insert name),
I saw your recent job posting for the (insert position here) position and wanted to reach out to you and see if it would be ok to set up a quick meeting to discuss the position further. I have extensive (insert experience here) within (insert company here) and have an interest in building further on that skillset.
Please let me know and I will set some time up.
Thanks!
FP TC etc
^i'd go something along these lines. too long and he/she won't read it all. include your resume so he/she can review.
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Hi (insert name),
I saw your recent job posting for the (insert position here) position and wanted to reach out to you and see if it would be ok to set up a quick meeting to discuss the position further. I have extensive (insert experience here) within (insert company here) and have an interest in building further on that skillset.
Please let me know and I will set some time up.
Thanks!
FP TC etc
^i'd go something along these lines. too long and he/she won't read it all. include your resume so he/she can review.
That seems a little informal to me. Could just be me over-thinking it again though. :dunno:
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Hi (insert name),
I saw your recent job posting for the (insert position here) position and wanted to reach out to you and see if it would be ok to set up a quick meeting to discuss the position further. I have extensive (insert experience here) within (insert company here) and have an interest in building further on that skillset.
Please let me know and I will set some time up.
Thanks!
FP TC etc
^i'd go something along these lines. too long and he/she won't read it all. include your resume so he/she can review.
That seems a little informal to me. Could just be me over-thinking it again though. :dunno:
It doesn't really need to be that formal, especially if you already know the supervisor. This is not your cover letter. This is just an email stating that you might be interested in the position, but you would like to discuss what the job entails first.
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Hi (insert name),
I saw your recent job posting for the (insert position here) position and wanted to reach out to you and see if it would be ok to set up a quick meeting to discuss the position further. I have extensive (insert experience here) within (insert company here) and have an interest in building further on that skillset.
Please let me know and I will set some time up.
Thanks!
FP TC etc
^i'd go something along these lines. too long and he/she won't read it all. include your resume so he/she can review.
That seems a little informal to me. Could just be me over-thinking it again though. :dunno:
It doesn't really need to be that formal, especially if you already know the supervisor. This is not your cover letter. This is just an email stating that you might be interested in the position, but you would like to discuss what the job entails first.
I don't know him, I just looked up who he is because the posting listed his position as the supervisor to the one I'm applying for.
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I don't know jackshit about these things, but I have a lifetime of overthinking. It's best to pick out what you are going to do from the advice you have here and set your mind that way and keep thinking about how great that plan is going to be and how it is the best course of action.
You are clearly motivated and want the job, and that's why you are overthinking. You want to do well. Go look in the mirror, compliment yourself, build yourself up, reflect on your biggest accomplishments and go fire up that email. The hardest part is doing something, once it's done, it's done. Find the best version of yourself, present it in the best manner you can, and go get that rough ridin' job.
Also, I vote for pissclams advice.
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I don't know jackshit about these things, but I have a lifetime of overthinking. It's best to pick out what you are going to do from the advice you have here and set your mind that way and keep thinking about how great that plan is going to be and how it is the best course of action.
You are clearly motivated and want the job, and that's why you are overthinking. You want to do well. Go look in the mirror, compliment yourself, build yourself up, reflect on your biggest accomplishments and go fire up that email. The hardest part is doing something, once it's done, it's done. Find the best version of yourself, present it in the best manner you can, and go get that rough ridin' job.
Also, I vote for pissclams advice.
I just don't want to mess this up :ohno:
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Come on Donaghy. You've skied Mount St. Helen's, made eye contact with Michelle Bachman, been trapped under a boulder for 128 hours, you're not scared of anything.
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Can some one make a flow chart so he doesn't mess this crap up. :dubious:
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Can some one make a flow chart so he doesn't mess this crap up. :dubious:
I'm not really a "chart guy" :ohno:
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I don't know jackshit about these things, but I have a lifetime of overthinking. It's best to pick out what you are going to do from the advice you have here and set your mind that way and keep thinking about how great that plan is going to be and how it is the best course of action.
You are clearly motivated and want the job, and that's why you are overthinking. You want to do well. Go look in the mirror, compliment yourself, build yourself up, reflect on your biggest accomplishments and go fire up that email. The hardest part is doing something, once it's done, it's done. Find the best version of yourself, present it in the best manner you can, and go get that rough ridin' job.
Also, I vote for pissclams advice.
I just don't want to mess this up :ohno:
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Come on Donaghy. You've skied Mount St. Helen's, made eye contact with Michelle Bachman, been trapped under a boulder for 128 hours, you're not scared of anything.
You won't mess anything up by asking the supervisor for 15 minutes of his time to talk about the position. He will respect you for valuing his time and yours by making sure the position would be a good fit before you take the time to apply and make him take the time to review your application.
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You can't mess it up. If you are the right person for the job, you will get the job. Everything you do, good and bad, is a reflection of you. No matter what course of action you take, you are representing yourself and being yourself. If that is attractive to your prospective employer, you can't mess that up.
I think the only way you can mess it up is by straying from you are and doing things that you wouldn't normally do. Whether that be pussyfooting around and not show too much ambition because you don't want to take yourself out of the running, or by being overly aggressive when that is not your style.
You've already got a job, so this isn't do or die. It's one opportunity of many. I'm sure will do well.
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Awh, geez, you guys :blush:
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Whatever you do, don't wear a suit to the interview.
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So it's been over a week since I sent an email to the hiring manager and haven't received anything back.
HOWEVER, I also applied online and received some physical mail (yeah, I guess people still do that?) from someone else saying they received my application and are reviewing it.
Wat do? :dunno:
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So it's been over a week since I sent an email to the hiring manager and haven't received anything back.
HOWEVER, I also applied online and received some physical mail (yeah, I guess people still do that?) from someone else saying they received my application and are reviewing it.
Wat do? :dunno:
You didn't sign your email "FP TC etc" like 'clams said, did you?
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So it's been over a week since I sent an email to the hiring manager and haven't received anything back.
HOWEVER, I also applied online and received some physical mail (yeah, I guess people still do that?) from someone else saying they received my application and are reviewing it.
Wat do? :dunno:
You didn't sign your email "FP TC etc" like 'clams said, did you?
:runaway:
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I'm not sure that I could work for a company that sends me physical mail in response to electronic mail I send them. Sounds very grandparent-y
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I'm not sure that I could work for a company that sends me physical mail in response to electronic mail I send them. Sounds very grandparent-y
I thought that was a little strange too.
Don't care. Still want the job.
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physical mail before email/phone is a rejection. IMO.
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physical mail before email/phone is a rejection. IMO.
Yeah, it sounds like the hiring manager was not impressed with your resume. It is also possible that he already knew who he was going to hire before the position opened up and he was just going through the motions of an interview process.
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The hiring manager is like 100 years old.
Maybe physical mail is all he uses.
Or maybe I'm just making excuses.
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Also the person I emailed was not the same person that sent me the letter :dunno:
I think I'm going to email the guy who sent me the letter, then if I don't hear anything consider it over.
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The hiring manager is like 100 years old.
Maybe physical mail is all he uses.
Or maybe I'm just making excuses.
Well, my grandfather always appreciates phone calls. Maybe he doesn't ever check his newfangled electronic mail and you should give him a call.
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Maybe I'll send him a wuphf.
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Hello goEMAW,
FP TC here. RE-visiting this whole "dream job" thing.
There's a company I really want to work for and they have multiple job openings that I would be a good fit for.
What's the protocol when applying for multiple jobs within the same company?
I look forward to your responses.
Thanks, and have a great day!
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Find out who is hiring and send that person flowers with a note that says, "This is my dream job, I want it, and will do anything to get an interview." Make sure the florist includes your name and contact info on the card.
Send flowers every day until you hear back from the person making the hire. It might set you back a few hundred dollars, but I guarantee you will get the job and will likely be the only candidate interviewed.
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Find out who is hiring and send that person flowers with a note that says, "This is my dream job, I want it, and will do anything to get an interview." Make sure the florist includes your name and contact info on the card.
Send flowers every day until you hear back from the person making the hire. It might set you back a few hundred dollars, but I guarantee you will get the job and will likely be the only candidate interviewed.
I was thinking of kidnapping one of their children. Thoughts on that?
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I was thinking of kidnapping one of their children. Thoughts on that?
Take my advice and get the job.
Why are you making this so difficult?
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I was thinking of kidnapping one of their children. Thoughts on that?
Take my advice and get the job.
Why are you making this so difficult?
You didn't even answer my question. ;)
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Let them know that you are very interested in working for the company as you have always admired it and like it's model or it's reputation or whatever it is that you like. Tell them that there are several positions that interest you, but the one you are interviewing for seems most like what you would like to do. If you interview well, they will probably want to know what other positions you are interested in. Hiring managers are always talking to each other and will all likely be in a meeting discussing viable candidates for these positions (unless you are in a very low level position (I am not trying to be a smart ass)).
I once did not get a job and the hiring manager said, "We have gone another route for this position, but we are very interested in having you work for us. We will be in touch if something should open up like I think it will." Three weeks later I interviewed for another position with a different manager and took the job within the week of interviewing. The guy chartered a flight to meet and interview me in Atchison, which is like the worst attempt at a wackycatbrag that I can imagine. I wasn't living in Atchison, but it wasn't too far away. It was an easier airport for him to land in.
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I found this quote from a very wise man that makes millions. I think it applies to your situation.
"I've had numerous friends call me, countless people in that community begging me to go back home," he said. "The one thing that's unfair to the University of Miami is that all the media people, locally and nationally, are saying it's not a good job. And that's not right. But UM never called. So I have no idea. And I'm not pursuing other jobs. I've never chased a job in my life."
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Let them know that you are very interested in working for the company as you have always admired it and like it's model or it's reputation or whatever it is that you like. Tell them that there are several positions that interest you, but the one you are interviewing for seems most like what you would like to do. If you interview well, they will probably want to know what other positions you are interested in. Hiring managers are always talking to each other and will all likely be in a meeting discussing viable candidates for these positions (unless you are in a very low level position (I am not trying to be a smart ass)).
I once did not get a job and the hiring manager said, "We have gone another route for this position, but we are very interested in having you work for us. We will be in touch if something should open up like I think it will." Three weeks later I interviewed for another position with a different manager and took the job within the week of interviewing. The guy chartered a flight to meet and interview me in Atchison, which is like the worst attempt at a wackycatbrag that I can imagine. I wasn't living in Atchison, but it wasn't too far away. It was an easier airport for him to land in.
Thanks for the advice. I am not interviewing for anything yet because I have not applied.
I'll make sure to mention there are multiple positions that interest me in my cover letter. Thinking of just applying for one position and letting the cover letter say the rest.
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I found this quote from a very wise man that makes millions. I think it applies to your situation.
"I've had numerous friends call me, countless people in that community begging me to go back home," he said. "The one thing that's unfair to the University of Miami is that all the media people, locally and nationally, are saying it's not a good job. And that's not right. But UM never called. So I have no idea. And I'm not pursuing other jobs. I've never chased a job in my life."
He certainly makes more money than me, so there's that.
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Highly doubt your cover letter will stand out among the dozens of others.
You need to differentiate yourself. Start sending the f*cking flowers. :angry:
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Highly doubt your cover letter will stand out among the dozens of others.
You need to differentiate yourself. Start sending the f*cking flowers. :angry:
I don't know who the hiring manager is.
Also that seems like a terrible idea.
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just apply for the job and have a good interview like a normal person
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just apply for the job and have a good interview like a normal person
There's more than one job in the same company that I want to apply for.
Do I apply for them both or just for one?
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just apply for the job and have a good interview like a normal person
There's more than one job in the same company that I want to apply for.
Do I apply for them both or just for one?
Talk to the HR representative. Tell them that you are "interested in several jobs, but the one you are most interested in is XXXXX. That being said, should I apply for any of the other jobs that seem interesting?" I think sending in several applications looks desperate and you might be dismissed. Just my opinion.
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i didn't read this whole thread, but are you calling these people after you send in a resume?
nothing pisses me off more than people who don't call, and then wonder why they didn't get a job. follow up, bad person.
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I always follow up.
And I agree sending in more than one application seems stupid, I will probably avoid doing that.
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It's all such a freakin' mine field. I hate it. At some places, following up is considered good etiquette. At others, they hate you for taking up their time with a phone call.
Some places never even bother to let you know they've received your resume or that they've hired someone else even after you spent two hours interviewing with them.
(Yeah. I'm job seeking while employed right now, and I hate it. A lot. If I halfway liked my current job, I would reconsider the job search just because I hate this crap so much.)
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You guys know what working professionals appreciate? Honesty without games. Call the person, tell them you what you want, send in a resume, call to follow up, and if you get turned down for one, tell them you would like to still be considered for one of the other positions. Don't play any games or angles. Ppl hate them and see through them immediately more often than not.
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just apply for the job and have a good interview like a normal person
There's more than one job in the same company that I want to apply for.
Do I apply for them both or just for one?
I'd probably call hr and see what they want you to do. With my company you send in one general application and they assign you the job they feel you'll be best at based on your interview. Our hiring process is weird though so idk what the normal stuff is.
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You guys know what working professionals appreciate? Honesty without games. Call the person, tell them you what you want, send in a resume, call to follow up, and if you get turned down for one, tell them you would like to still be considered for one of the other positions. Don't play any games or angles. Ppl hate them and see through them immediately more often than not.
Isn't that basically what I advised?
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You guys know what working professionals appreciate? Honesty without games. Call the person, tell them you what you want, send in a resume, call to follow up, and if you get turned down for one, tell them you would like to still be considered for one of the other positions. Don't play any games or angles. Ppl hate them and see through them immediately more often than not.
Isn't that basically what I advised?
Probably, Dobbs. Truth: I scanned this sucker. Didn't read the whole thing. Just saw that they were still stressing over the "how to" after several pages.
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It's an old thread, I just bumped it with my new question.
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You guys know what working professionals appreciate? Honesty without games. Call the person, tell them you what you want, send in a resume, call to follow up, and if you get turned down for one, tell them you would like to still be considered for one of the other positions. Don't play any games or angles. Ppl hate them and see through them immediately more often than not.
yes. most people aren't as good at bullshitting as they think they are.
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I'm currently waiting for a company to fire this guy so I can take over the position. I nailed the phone interview, personality test, etc. They email me daily to be patient. It's kinda awkward, but it's a great gig.