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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: unleashthemob on February 11, 2012, 02:32:32 PM
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same story
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second half implosion. hoping for a miracle, but this haas been pathetic so far.
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STOP rough ridin' BLOWING LEADS.
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This is embarrassing. Monday is going to be brutal.
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Frank is missing the chunk of the brain that allows him to make 2nd half adjustments. He will tell you it's the players fault.
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We are an incredibly stupid basketball team. What else is there to say?
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Frank is missing the chunk of the brain that allows him to make 2nd half adjustments. He will tell you it's the players fault.
Was going to post something very similar.
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Wow. NIT
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:dubious:
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Sick of seeing Frank pouting rather than coaching.
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Wow. NIT
It's not the season as a whole that has been disappointing. It is how we've lost a lot of these games that is so frustrating. You just can't go from up 14 to down 10 or whatever the hell we lose by today.
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FYFM
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http://www.youtube.com/embed/A949JshqvbI (http://www.youtube.com/embed/A949JshqvbI)
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Maybe the worst X and O'r in the confy next to Drew.
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FYFM
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FYFM. Seriously.
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Frank got outcoached by rick. Rick is a really awesome coach. I can live with it. We will get isu and osu at home. If he can't outcoach parkinsons disease in college station you might have a basis for meltdown.
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Frank got outcoached by rick. Rick is a really awesome coach recruiter. I can live with it. We will get isu and osu at home. If he can't outcoach parkinsons disease in college station you might have a basis for meltdown.
Fixed that for you...
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outscored 48-22 in the final 19:30.
un-rough ridin'-believable. the thing that really pisses me off is that i completely expected it to happen.
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This is what you get when your coach spends most of his time writing emails on being nice and stuff.
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outscored 48-22 in the final 19:30.
un-rough ridin'-believable. the thing that really pisses me off is that i completely expected it to happen.
Once they got within 10 I started preparing myself for the worst.
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the iowa state was less annoying than this.
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This is embarrassing. Monday is going to be brutal.
Ditto. Raped on our own floor. I'm calling a 20 point blowout by the hawks.
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Frank is missing the chunk of the brain that allows him to make 2nd half adjustments. He will tell you it's the players fault.
Was going to post something very similar.
Of course you were. It's not football dumbasses. What adjustment do you make to stop your players from turning the ball over and to make shots?
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This team has no balls, too many role players not enough Angels.
HCFM @ half: 'If we don't finish this game we're on the outside looking in for the tornament.'
Team: 'Ok, sounds good.'
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outscored 48-22 in the final 19:30.
un-rough ridin'-believable. the thing that really pisses me off is that i completely expected it to happen.
And so did the team. That is this year's problem. We are complete pussies mentally.
This is what happens when you have a team comprised of a bunch of role players and no leaders willing or able to put their team on their back when the game is on the line.
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I'm still waiting for one of the basketball savants on here to tell us what second half adjustments that Frank could have made.
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I'm still waiting for one of the basketball savants on here to tell us what second half adjustments that Frank could have made.
yell at the refs more. I think getting a T instead of that timeout during their first run might've done it.
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I'm still waiting for one of the basketball savants on here to tell us what second half adjustments that Frank could have made.
“We are who we are,’’ Martin said. “We’re not going to reinvent ourselves in the next 24 hours :jerk:
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I'm still waiting for one of the basketball savants on here to tell us what second half adjustments that Frank could have made.
“We are who we are,’’ Martin said. “We’re not going to reinvent ourselves in the next 24 hours :jerk:
Not sure you understand Frank's statement or my post you quoted.
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Frank is missing the chunk of the brain that allows him to make 2nd half adjustments. He will tell you it's the players fault.
Was going to post something very similar.
Of course you were. It's not football dumbasses. What adjustment do you make to stop your players from turning the ball over and to make shots?
Are you upset or disappointed by now? Seems like the problem is much larger (or at least fundamentally different than an "X/O" solution. So are you equally upset at the state of the program and blaming recruiting, or not upset and just chalking it up long term to the cyclical down years emerging programs almost inevitably face?
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We're upset because no team should blow a zillion double-digit leads. No matter how much you suck. Nobody should do that crap EVERY. rough ridin'. TIME.
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Frank is missing the chunk of the brain that allows him to make 2nd half adjustments. He will tell you it's the players fault.
Was going to post something very similar.
Of course you were. It's not football dumbasses. What adjustment do you make to stop your players from turning the ball over and to make shots?
Are you upset or disappointed by now? Seems like the problem is much larger (or at least fundamentally different than an "X/O" solution. So are you equally upset at the state of the program and blaming recruiting, or not upset and just chalking it up long term to the cyclical down years emerging programs almost inevitably face?
All three posts quoted by you are referencing 2nd half adjustments, none of the questions in your post address the topic. If I were to address your post independent of the actual topic, I'd say your questions aren't questions at all, but a statement.
Now back to the topic, someone please tell me what adjustment a coach up 14 should have made to keep the lead. I would think changing what you have done to build a 14 point lead (make shots) would be counterintuitive to winning. I also need to know what adjustments a coach can make to ensure his players make shots & don't turn the ball over.
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don't play the player that is turning it over?
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Frank is missing the chunk of the brain that allows him to make 2nd half adjustments. He will tell you it's the players fault.
Was going to post something very similar.
Of course you were. It's not football dumbasses. What adjustment do you make to stop your players from turning the ball over and to make shots?
Are you upset or disappointed by now? Seems like the problem is much larger (or at least fundamentally different than an "X/O" solution. So are you equally upset at the state of the program and blaming recruiting, or not upset and just chalking it up long term to the cyclical down years emerging programs almost inevitably face?
All three posts quoted by you are referencing 2nd half adjustments, none of the questions in your post address the topic. If I were to address your post independent of the actual topic, I'd say your questions aren't questions at all, but a statement.
Now back to the topic, someone please tell me what adjustment a coach up 14 should have made to keep the lead. I would think changing what you have done to build a 14 point lead (make shots) would be counterintuitive to winning. I also need to know what adjustments a coach can make to ensure his players make shots & don't turn the ball over.
That's because I was acknowledging your point about second half adjustments and apparently putting forth a broader "statement": I don't know if MIR is concerned this season and I would be interested to learn more about that.
Subtitle: Felix is losing faith and looking for answers.
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turnovers didn't lose this game. the lead was lost during a stretch when kstate turned it over like twice. you could argue that turnovers prevented kstate from competing better after ut had came back, but honestly, they weren't winning anyways.
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I'm still waiting for one of the basketball savants on here to tell us what second half adjustments that Frank could have made.
With the disproportionate whistle blowing, would have liked to see Frank come out of the TO when Tex cut it to 8 with a zone D for a bit. Give them a different look and hopefully slow the whistles a bit. Not that it would have helped us not turn the ball over and take crappy shots...but still. No adjustment.
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I'm still waiting for one of the basketball savants on here to tell us what second half adjustments that Frank could have made.
With the disproportionate whistle blowing, would have liked to see Frank come out of the TO when Tex cut it to 8 with a zone D for a bit. Give them a different look and hopefully slow the whistles a bit. Not that it would have helped us not turn the ball over and take crappy shots...but still. No adjustment.
You still hand check in a zone. That adjustment could have been made I suppose but I'm not sure if it would have made a difference. Let's not forget UT also shot the ball very well, did you see what happened to Baylor's zone this morning in the second half when Mizzou started to hit shots?
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This hurts a lot. I don't know what to do.
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I'm still waiting for one of the basketball savants on here to tell us what second half adjustments that Frank could have made.
With the disproportionate whistle blowing, would have liked to see Frank come out of the TO when Tex cut it to 8 with a zone D for a bit. Give them a different look and hopefully slow the whistles a bit. Not that it would have helped us not turn the ball over and take crappy shots...but still. No adjustment.
You still hand check in a zone. That adjustment could have been made I suppose but I'm not sure if it would have made a difference. Let's not forget UT also shot the ball very well, did you see what happened to Baylor's zone this morning in the second half when Mizzou started to hit shots?
True. However, would think Texas would have taken a step back from driving and worked around the perimiter for a few posessions. Again, not saying it would made two shits of a difference, but would have liked to see it.
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Frank is missing the chunk of the brain that allows him to make 2nd half adjustments. He will tell you it's the players fault.
Was going to post something very similar.
Of course you were. It's not football dumbasses. What adjustment do you make to stop your players from turning the ball over and to make shots?
Are you upset or disappointed by now? Seems like the problem is much larger (or at least fundamentally different than an "X/O" solution. So are you equally upset at the state of the program and blaming recruiting, or not upset and just chalking it up long term to the cyclical down years emerging programs almost inevitably face?
All three posts quoted by you are referencing 2nd half adjustments, none of the questions in your post address the topic. If I were to address your post independent of the actual topic, I'd say your questions aren't questions at all, but a statement.
Now back to the topic, someone please tell me what adjustment a coach up 14 should have made to keep the lead. I would think changing what you have done to build a 14 point lead (make shots) would be counterintuitive to winning. I also need to know what adjustments a coach can make to ensure his players make shots & don't turn the ball over.
That's because I was acknowledging your point about second half adjustments and apparently putting forth a boarder "statement":
I don't know if MIR is concerned this season and I would be interested to learn more about that.
Subtitle: Felix is losing faith and looking for answers.
I'm not concerned but my goals for and impression of this team isn't that of others. I would like for this team to be competitive game in and game out. I would like for this team to be a viable threat to win the Big 12 tournament. I would like for this team to qualify for the NCAA tournament. All of these things are in front of this team and very attainable. If you wanted a Big 12 title and a final four then you should be beyond worried. Really I just want to be relevant in the CBB landscape. If you stay relevant you will have the chance every few years or so to be really special.
What I don't understand are the faction who don't like the direction of recruiting, don't like the roster management, don't like in game coaching decisions but expect 27-5 seasons and conference championships. I am mad as hell that this team can't hold leads, but I also realized that this team doesn't have the talent to go 15-3 in conference and the expectations need to be adjusted. I refuse to grade this program on KUs curve. Frank is still building his program, IMO he's yet to take a back step. If we don't make the NCAA I view it as a lateral or small step back. The program is in no way in a slide nor does it appear to be one on the way any time soon.
So considering all of this, I'm good.
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Exactly what I was looking for/needed.
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What I don't understand are the faction who don't like the direction of recruiting, don't like the roster management, don't like in game coaching decisions but expect 27-5 seasons and conference championships.
very well said.
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What I don't understand are the faction who don't like the direction of recruiting, don't like the roster management, don't like in game coaching decisions but expect 27-5 seasons and conference championships.
very well said.
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What I don't understand are the faction who don't like the direction of recruiting, don't like the roster management, don't like in game coaching decisions but expect 27-5 seasons and conference championships.
very well said.
Yes.
Most realistic fans expected a .500ish Big 12 season. Those teams tend to lose games like OU, ISU, and yesterday. It's what .500 teams do, but I have to admit its still frustrating.
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What I don't understand are the faction who don't like the direction of recruiting, don't like the roster management, don't like in game coaching decisions but expect 27-5 seasons and conference championships.
very well said.
Yes.
Most realistic fans expected a .500ish Big 12 season. Those teams tend to lose games like OU, ISU, and yesterday. It's what .500 teams do, but I have to admit its still frustrating.
The line between being frustrated about individual results and being unreasonably stupid about the state of the program is a mile thick.
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What I don't understand are the faction who don't like the direction of recruiting, don't like the roster management, don't like in game coaching decisions but expect 27-5 seasons and conference championships.
very well said.
Yes.
Most realistic fans expected a .500ish Big 12 season. Those teams tend to lose games like OU, ISU, and yesterday. It's what .500 teams do, but I have to admit its still frustrating.
The line between being frustrated about individual results and being unreasonably stupid about the state of the program is a mile thick.
True. But many can cover that mile in seconds.
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The Missouri and Baylor games filled me with so much false hope.
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The Missouri and Baylor games filled me with so much false hope.
ut played a better game yesterday than baylor did on whatever day it was when they beat kstate.
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What I don't understand are the faction who don't like the direction of recruiting, don't like the roster management, don't like in game coaching decisions but expect 27-5 seasons and conference championships.
what is so hard to understand? Realizing that this team's talent level and age is consistent with that of a bubble/NIT team doesn't mean that it was okay for Frank to have allowed this team to end up with that talent level and age.
I freaking understand that this team is a bubble team. I freaking saw it really goddamn early. But that doesn't mean I accept that as being okay.
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I freaking understand that this team is a bubble team. I freaking saw it really goddamn early. But that doesn't mean I accept that as being okay.
have you ever thought that you would be a happier person if you rooted for sports teams other than kstate and whatever local pro teams you like? i don't mean this sarcastically.
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What I don't understand are the faction who don't like the direction of recruiting, don't like the roster management, don't like in game coaching decisions but expect 27-5 seasons and conference championships.
what is so hard to understand? Realizing that this team's talent level and age is consistent with that of a bubble/NIT team doesn't mean that it was okay for Frank to have allowed this team to end up with that talent level and age.
I freaking understand that this team is a bubble team. I freaking saw it really goddamn early. But that doesn't mean I accept that as being okay.
Why do you seem to ignore the possibility of improvement? I think he's built the foundation for a very good team in 2-3 years. It might not be better than KU, but it could make a deep NCAA run similar to 09-10.
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I freaking understand that this team is a bubble team. I freaking saw it really goddamn early. But that doesn't mean I accept that as being okay.
have you ever thought that you would be a happier person if you rooted for sports teams other than kstate and whatever local pro teams you like? i don't mean this sarcastically.
yes. I was an OU fan growing up. Got fairly spoiled with Billy and Barry running the show.
Why do you seem to ignore the possibility of improvement? I think he's built the foundation for a very good team in 2-3 years. It might not be better than KU, but it could make a deep NCAA run similar to 09-10.
I want an oompa loompa now.
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Tubbs' first five years at OU he had 3 NCAA tournament appearances (two second round exits and an elite 8), an NIT, and didn't qualify for any tournament once.
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Tubbs didn't qualify for any tournament his first year, then NIT, then 8 ncaa's in a row (before the wheels fell off) including an Elite 8 and a F4. He won the Conf 5 times, the Conf Tourney twice.
Frank can't hold Billy's jock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YglrzDO2etA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YglrzDO2etA)
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Tubbs didn't qualify for any tournament his first year, then NIT, then 8 ncaa's in a row (before the wheels fell off) including an Elite 8 and a F4. He won the Conf 5 times, the Conf Tourney twice.
Frank can't hold Billy's jock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YglrzDO2etA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YglrzDO2etA)
I love Billy Tubbs, my dad is an OU grad, I spent many days of my youth at LNC, KU beat OU for the National Championship 2 days before my 12th birthday. Frank will have a similar conference and overall winning percentage than Billy Tubbs at the same point in their major conference careers, Tubbs will likely be three games better when figuring win percentage. If I compared first five years to first five years straight up it would be a blood bath. Frank will have more post season appearances and the same number of NCAA tournament wins if Frank doesn't win a NCAA tournament game this season. The only thing Billy did his first five years at OU that Frank isn't doing his first five years as a coach is the one regular season conference title and two tournament titles, but like I said they will have similar winning percentages. Fact is the start of Frank's coaching career is similar to the start of Billy's career at OU, he already had 4 years of seasoning before OU. So your assertion of Frank can't hold Billy's jock has more to do with your miserable ass meat peeping existence, and less to do with what both men has actually accomplished at the same point in their careers.
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Would you like to bet on how many final fours and conf championships frank will have in 5 years? Glossing over conf tourney championships and a league championship as if they are meaningless is rough ridin' ridiculous. It's not my fault frank wasn't good enough to coach at lamar prior to coming to ksu.
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Yes, I would. So not only does Frank suck now, but you think he will suck well into the future? It must suck being you. I love the fact that I'm actually able to experience happiness and satisfaction.
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Pfft...disappointment and happiness are not mutually exclusive emotions. but continue to make this about me instead of frank nor achieving what billy did if that will make you happy.
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Tubbs didn't qualify for any tournament his first year, then NIT, then 8 ncaa's in a row (before the wheels fell off) including an Elite 8 and a F4. He won the Conf 5 times, the Conf Tourney twice.
Frank can't hold Billy's jock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YglrzDO2etA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YglrzDO2etA)
I love Billy Tubbs, my dad is an OU grad, I spent many days of my youth at LNC, KU beat OU for the National Championship 2 days before my 12th birthday. Frank will have a similar conference and overall winning percentage than Billy Tubbs at the same point in their major conference careers, Tubbs will likely be three games better when figuring win percentage. If I compared first five years to first five years straight up it would be a blood bath. Frank will have more post season appearances and the same number of NCAA tournament wins if Frank doesn't win a NCAA tournament game this season. The only thing Billy did his first five years at OU that Frank isn't doing his first five years as a coach is the one regular season conference title and two tournament titles, but like I said they will have similar winning percentages. Fact is the start of Frank's coaching career is similar to the start of Billy's career at OU, he already had 4 years of seasoning before OU. So your assertion of Frank can't hold Billy's jock has more to do with your miserable ass meat peeping existence, and less to do with what both men has actually accomplished at the same point in their careers.
Yeah, I mean other than three conference championships, he accomplished nothing of note.
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Tubbs didn't qualify for any tournament his first year, then NIT, then 8 ncaa's in a row (before the wheels fell off) including an Elite 8 and a F4. He won the Conf 5 times, the Conf Tourney twice.
Frank can't hold Billy's jock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YglrzDO2etA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YglrzDO2etA)
I love Billy Tubbs, my dad is an OU grad, I spent many days of my youth at LNC, KU beat OU for the National Championship 2 days before my 12th birthday. Frank will have a similar conference and overall winning percentage than Billy Tubbs at the same point in their major conference careers, Tubbs will likely be three games better when figuring win percentage. If I compared first five years to first five years straight up it would be a blood bath. Frank will have more post season appearances and the same number of NCAA tournament wins if Frank doesn't win a NCAA tournament game this season. The only thing Billy did his first five years at OU that Frank isn't doing his first five years as a coach is the one regular season conference title and two tournament titles, but like I said they will have similar winning percentages. Fact is the start of Frank's coaching career is similar to the start of Billy's career at OU, he already had 4 years of seasoning before OU. So your assertion of Frank can't hold Billy's jock has more to do with your miserable ass meat peeping existence, and less to do with what both men has actually accomplished at the same point in their careers.
Yeah, I mean other than three conference championships, he accomplished nothing of note.
How in the hell did you get that, out of that?
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Well, as long as we were just glossing over conference titles, I wanted in. It looked comforting.
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Yeah, I mean other than three conference championships, he accomplished nothing of note.
Goodness. Don't even know where one starts with this...
sarcasm, although I'm quite pissed that Rex annihilated the context of my post to fire his sarcastic salvo. I mean he might as well highlighted the word blood in my post and used it to point out that I said Billy Tubbs menstruates.
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Yeah, I mean other than three conference championships, he accomplished nothing of note.
Goodness. Don't even know where one starts with this...
sarcasm, although I'm quite pissed that Rex annihilated the context of my post to fire his sarcastic salvo. I mean he might as well highlighted the word blood in my post and used it to point out that I said Billy Tubbs menstruates.
Dude, 3 conference titles in his first five years at OU. That's like career stuff.
Come on, we all love Frank, but there is no comparison.
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Yeah, I mean other than three conference championships, he accomplished nothing of note.
Goodness. Don't even know where one starts with this...
sarcasm, although I'm quite pissed that Rex annihilated the context of my post to fire his sarcastic salvo. I mean he might as well highlighted the word blood in my post and used it to point out that I said Billy Tubbs menstruates.
Dude, 3 conference titles in his first five years at OU. That's like career stuff.
Come on, we all love Frank, but there is no comparison.
Wait you've confused me, clarify
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Conference titles. They're kind of a big deal.
Like, I will be pleased if Frank win three in a fifteen year career at K-State, much less three in his first five.
Hell, I think Hartman had like five in twenty years here.
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Oh no I get it, you think I'm glossing over Billy Tubbs' three titles too. Not sure where that come from but whatever. I will offer context to Billy Tubbs though. As I already said, it should be noted that Tubbs' first five years at OU weren't his first five years as a head coach. Out of his first five years at OU he won those conference championships in years 4 & 5. Those two years Wayman Tisdale won his second and third conference POY awards. I wonder what Frank would have done if he had Mike and Bill for their sophomore and junior years too. Billy Tubbs went to the elite eight with a three time conference player of the year, Frank went with Luis Colon and Chris Merriweather. If Wayman Tisdale played in today's climate he would have been gone after his freshman year and there is no way in hell Billy would have had the resume the next two years he had.
One more thing
we're going to the NIT this year. That's 2 in 5. 1 in 8 years? okay. 2 in 5, not okay.
Billy's last five at OU
1989-1990 Oklahoma 27-5 11-3 T-2nd NCAA 2nd Round
1990-1991 Oklahoma 20-15 5-9 T-6th NIT 3rd Round
1991-1992 Oklahoma 21-9 8-6 T-2nd NCAA 1st Round
1992-1993 Oklahoma 20-12 7-7 T-5th NIT 2nd Round
1993-1994 Oklahoma 15-13 6-8 5th NIT 1st Round
Two NCAA appearances and one damn tournament win in five years
So this Frank can't hold Billy's jock is complete revisionist bullshit. I hate you idiots for forcing me to speak ill about Billy Tubbs, to this day my favorite college basketball coach ever.
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I think I've just got a thing for conference titles. Not winning one in like thirty five years will do that to you.
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Billy's last years were noted in my post earlier. And if frank has a similar stretch he should be gone too. Though I believe technically tubbs resigned. Speaking factually about someone isn't speaking ill of them, doesn't mean you hate them ir think they suck. same goes for frank.
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Billy's last years were noted in my post earlier. And if frank has a similar stretch he should be gone too. Though I believe technically tubbs resigned. Speaking factually about someone isn't speaking ill of them, doesn't mean you hate them ir think they suck. same goes for frank.
So will you acknowledge that Frank would have at least matched Billy's two good years if Mike stayed? Billy would not have had the services of Wayman Tisdale for three years if he coached 15 years later?
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conf tournament titles aren't the same as reg season titles.
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I think I've just got a thing for conference titles. Not winning one in like thirty five years will do that to you.
Yeah, it would be nice to win one in my lifetime (while I can remember it). I'm getting close to being 40. Dang.
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When a school is paying a basketball coach nearly $2 million a year and building them Taj Mahal practice facilities, they should pretty much make the NCAA tourney every year.
There's lots of school that have done the same and they don't make the NCAA tourney every year, but those schools aren't considered one of the Top 25 college basketball programs of all time. So lets start acting fans of one of the Top 25 basketball programs of all time and expect to make the NCAA tourney every year. Oh and quit trying to pile on with all these bullcac strawman arguments about how UConn or somebody else similar misses the tournament here and there, like the fans of those programs think that's perfectly fine. Because they don't think its perfectly fine, even with the great success they've had lately. The fans of those programs are pi$$ed when they don't make the NCAA tourney and rightfully so, and all K-State fans should be pi$$ed when the K-State program doesn't make the NCAA tourney.
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When a school is paying a basketball coach nearly $2 million a year and building them Taj Mahal practice facilities, they should pretty much make the NCAA tourney every year.
There's lots of school that have done the same and they don't make the NCAA tourney every year, but those schools aren't considered one of the Top 25 college basketball programs of all time. So lets start acting fans of one of the Top 25 basketball programs of all time and expect to make the NCAA tourney every year. Oh and quit trying to pile on with all these bullcac strawman arguments about how UConn or somebody else similar misses the tournament here and there, like the fans of those programs think that's perfectly fine. Because they don't think its perfectly fine, even with the great success they've had lately. The fans of those programs are pi$$ed when they don't make the NCAA tourney and rightfully so, and all K-State fans should be pi$$ed when the K-State program doesn't make the NCAA tourney.
Top 25 basketball programs of all time usually don't miss the tournament 20 years in a row. I think Frank is doing pretty well considering what was here before him.
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K-State didn't miss the tourney 20 years in a row.
However, it was that 15 year stretch of only making it twice that kept K-State from being considered a top 15 college basketball program of all time, and that period really sucked and there was no excuse for it. Just like there's really no excuse for not making the NCAA tourney every year now, K-State should always be in the upper half of the conference, and most of that time in the upper 3rd. K-State spends a lot of money on athletics for only having the minimum number of sports to be considered a full time D1 school. So asking the major sports at K-State to perform well every year is not unreasonable on any level.
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Billy's last years were noted in my post earlier. And if frank has a similar stretch he should be gone too. Though I believe technically tubbs resigned. Speaking factually about someone isn't speaking ill of them, doesn't mean you hate them ir think they suck. same goes for frank.
So will you acknowledge that Frank would have at least matched Billy's two good years if Mike stayed? Billy would not have had the services of Wayman Tisdale for three years if he coached 15 years later?
unless frank ran beasley off :) stacey king would have been gone early too.
however....this is all relative. other great players on other teams would have been gone as well.
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Other teams did not have the benefit of a three time conference POY.
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Sick of seeing Frank pouting rather than coaching.
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Sick of seeing Frank pouting rather than coaching.
Has the crowd taken on the personality of Frank? For angry or for sad? Why was I not invited to the wedding?
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Sick of seeing Frank pouting rather than coaching.
Do you bitch when he yells TOO much?
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Sick of seeing Frank pouting rather than coaching.
Do you bitch when he yells TOO much?
Nope. I love it when Frank is on fire.