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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Kat Kid on January 19, 2012, 02:05:00 PM
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I want to start out with an apology. I could not work up the energy to do one after Oklahoma. It was just not worth it. I will continue to make my best effort to get this up the next day at the latests, but I think I will start posting one asap after the game with an open PP/NN discussion thread, then adding in my official one. I hate to go all Fitz on everyone here, but the late night week games take a toll.
PEGGY PO'S!
The comfortable townie tucks have been evicted. The result was a classic angry crowd of K-Staters. There was neery a call unboo'd, hardly a moment chastened by converntional mores. It was a primal scream. It was a conjuration of rage. It was the return of the OCTAGON OF BOOOOOOO! Great crowd. GREAT collective performance, but let's also call out some all-stars. It is time for goEMAW's Angriest _FAN'S of the Game! Hero #1: Student(s) warned by an usher for using profane language in the direction of the officials. Hero #2: Dude with the enormous sign claiming copyrighted ownership of Texas in the first row behind the Texas bench. Hero #3: She is a virtual lock for goEMAW's Most Adorable _FAN of the Year Mrs. Assley! She absolutely killed it last night. 5 stars. On the "Longhorns on Ice" travel no call on the loose ball in front of UT's bench, Mrs. Assley repeated her patented stair march up and down. She also added in two additional distinct elements that must be mentioned as they resulted in her nearly perfect 9.9 average score by our illustrious (and top secret) panel of goEMAW _FAN judges. Element #1: the travel motion with the :ck: shoulder shrug. Element #2: Her incorporation of her audience. Got crowd participation from a young child who was learning the traveling motion. She also had a portly gentleman in the first row play straight man while she explained the traveling using a combination of sign and dialogue. A real narrative began to develop as she seemed frustrated that she seemed to be the only sane woman in a world gone crazy. A real breakout performer that goEMAW is excited about! Congrats to Mrs. Assley on her title as goEMAW _FAN of the GAME!
Rodney McGruder is the leader of this basketball team. (that "." reads "period") Rodney was unstoppable. Career High. Team High in boards. 4-6 from downtown. Rodney was able to get in to the lane for his floater. He demanded the ball. In the second half in key stretches he touched it multiple times a posession. He was cutting as hard as I've seen all year off his screens. He looked like a dangerous man with ill intent. The exclamation point to end the game was pitch perfect. Unbelievable. In addition to all of this, Frank gave him the responsibility of Brown to start the game and he handled it well. Only two NN embedded here are his decision making on the break. Turned the ball over out of control when he tried to push the ball all the way up the court. Also, on the 2 on 1 (that, to be fair, ended in two made FT by Rod) the ball needed to go back to Will and then be an alley oop. Will did a terrible job of spacing too, BUT THIS IS PEGGY PO'S! The moment I take away from this game was in the first half when Angel was getting yanked by Frank and mouthing off, not listening and destined to sit and stew. Rodney went over. Lamont was there to be good cop and Rodney was like "I got this." He went over in Angel's face and told him how it was and how it was going to be. He got the daps back from Angel. He did it again later in the game, but that was the real moment when it came together. No one should doubt who gets the ball in crunch time. No one should doubt who will be running the huddle. No one should doubt who's voice is heard above the rest. Rodney is the man.
Jamar was solid He is not going to be a 10 rebound a game guy. Moving on, he will be a consistent contributor. Moving on, he will be a 70% FT shooter who can get to the line. This is who he is. It is a solid Big 12 contributor. Don't get it twisted, Jamar can ball. He isn't what some hope and others demand, but he is what we have and we need him. All the morons that hate on Jamar, please cease and desist. Last night was not a reason to hate, yet there you were front row guy. Being a moron. Student section needs to police its own or I will. I can stomach the old fart tucks complaints, but students calling out good players playing well is ridiculous. Youth should not be that jaded and crotchety.
Gipson balled hard. His limited minutes were frustrating, but he turned it on. I was impressed with how he rebounded and how he handled UT's size. He may have passed out playing 20+ minutes as he looked gassed out there in the 2nd. He does look as though he's shed weight, but the conditioning is still coming along. At first I thought Frank was holding out Gipson because he had two fouls (while UT got back in the game) but it seemed like post-game Frank has no regrets about Vic's minutes. But we'll get to that later. I want to say first that his rebounding has improved significantly. He was the most consistently aggressive big and has learned how to draw fouls and bounce off people while finishing. He will be a load and will foul out players for years to come. Really encouraging developments here.
Sprads was Sprads. He hit a big 3. He played reasonably well under pressure. He did not turn the ball over. He drew charges. He played reasonable defense on people much better than him. Grabbed his lunch pale and worked through lunch.
Vic. Peggy Po's and Nancy Neg's is graded on a scale and for 19 minutes I saw a lot to be happy about from Vic. He rebounded and he played strong defense. Of course he is overmatched on both ends of the floor. Of course he should not have been on the floor for 20 minutes. But that isn't his call. He had more rebounds than Jamar in fewer minutes. It is what it was.
Tay/#teamangel Gritty defense at times, terrible defense at other times. Tay not closing out on J'covan when in the 3-2 was terrible. Angel not cutting off Kabongo (who took it coast-to-coast) was equally atrocious. Tay took his lumps, Angel whined about it, but both were there down the stretch. Martavious made the steal to seal the deal. Angel played hyper agressive D. He still has not figured out how to respond to how the game is being called. The refs were terrible, but he made some stupid decisions that unecessarily took himself out of the game. The refs are not going to talk as sweet as Lamont or give you a slap on the butt.
Nancy Neg's
The ref coming out before the second half and apologizing to Angel for blowing the goaltending call The refs were poor. The traveling/Jump ball/Timeout/Foul calls on loose balls were inconsistent and absurd. They actually did a great job resisting most of the flops. Barnes does not get enough credit for coaching. His players were constantly pulling their heads back when they were dribbling (to induce a call), flopping in the post or otherwise being annoying. Outside of that small PP, they were rightly boo'd extensively.
The inbounds plays The only play that consistently works without turning the ball over is to spread our players across the floor and do a lob back to Rodney. Everything else is a turnover waiting to happen. Thankfully our players knew to call a timeout. At the end of the game Jamar actually did a bang up job leaving the ball on the court until people were back and set, but besides the timeout and the inbound there was little improvement. Close games bring a microscope on the little things. This is a little thing that has already cost us a shot at a tie/win. It is inexcusable that it continues to fester.
Frank's Franking Vic? No JO (not that he deserved more minutes). Probably sat Gipson too long. Well, I love the taste of this delicious sausage, but this is one gruesome factory.
Paging DJamer Johnno Jesus. Between the commercials, the band and the worst 7 nation army drop I've ever heard it was a miracle that the sheer white hot anger of rural Americans propelled Kansas State to victory.
GOATS UP/GOATS DOWN DISCUSSION!
I will be back later on to give my final thoughts.
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:D
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About rough ridin' time :shakesfist:
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Assalay's wife sounds like a real peach. Good for Andy. (No sarcasm)
Also,
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Excellent.
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Grabbed his lunch pale and worked through lunch.
:thumbs:
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tortuga, what did you think of the Blister in the Sun from the Band?
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Anya was extra angry and demonstrative. It was beautiful to behold.
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My goodness. These are fantastic.
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Anya was extra angry and demonstrative. It was beautiful to behold.
Yeah. hadn't seen that before. Was pretty angried up.
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Who was yelling at Jamar from the front row??? :chainsaw: :curse: :curse: :curse:
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Thank you. Nothing on TV about McG adjusting Angel's head, which might be the most important news to come out of the game.
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PP: Diaz's drive :love:
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so was the crowd really good in person, it sounded like crap on tv, the boos even sounded weak. was it just bad mic'ing.
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so was the crowd really good in person, it sounded like crap on tv, the boos even sounded weak. was it just bad mic'ing.
I thought this, too. I was going to comment on how docile it seemed. Fran actually mentioned how quiet it was in the second half.
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Does anyone else read these and come away thinking that they don't pay attention to the games as closely as Tortuga? Man alive, this guy doesn't miss much.
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so was the crowd really good in person, it sounded like crap on tv, the boos even sounded weak. was it just bad mic'ing.
I thought this, too. I was going to comment on how docile it seemed. Fran actually mentioned how quiet it was in the second half.
Owning Texas for so long made the result pre-determined.
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Announcers were gushing about how well officiated the game was :curse:
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Does anyone else read these and come away thinking that they don't pay attention to the games as closely as Tortuga? Man alive, this guy doesn't miss much.
he carries a bluetooth recording device to games, last night i watched as he dictated notes to it. i wondered if what i saw him dictating was a peggy po or a nancy neg? oh well, it doesn't matter.
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Announcers were gushing about how well officiated the game was :curse:
you rarely hear them bash the officials.
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Does anyone else read these and come away thinking that they don't pay attention to the games as closely as Tortuga? Man alive, this guy doesn't miss much.
he carries a bluetooth recording device to games, last night i watched as he dictated notes to it. i wondered if what i saw him dictating was a peggy po or a nancy neg? oh well, it doesn't matter.
I'll bet he has some "tells." Maybe his scrunchy face look when it's a NN? :dunno:
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Does anyone else read these and come away thinking that they don't pay attention to the games as closely as Tortuga? Man alive, this guy doesn't miss much.
he carries a bluetooth recording device to games, last night i watched as he dictated notes to it. i wondered if what i saw him dictating was a peggy po or a nancy neg? oh well, it doesn't matter.
If it is a pp he will be gazing out across the court, lost in though. If it is a nn, he will have his back to the court.
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It was I who was yelling at Jam from the front row. It was also I (and my front row mate) who were told to watch the language in front of the older ladies in front of us. I'm sure you'll call me a TUCK and PI the crap out of me but I'm ready for it. I would like to just say that after 10+ years of basketball you would think Jamar would have some better/more post moves than the turn against his opponent and throw the ball at the rim, hoping it goes in. That is all. Bring on the PIs :comehere: :popcorn: :combofan:
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PP: Anya going berserk on the refs all night long.
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PP: Anya going berserk on the refs all night long.
Pretty big evolution from "Do you have to wear purple?".
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It was I who was yelling at Jam from the front row. It was also I (and my front row mate) who were told to watch the language in front of the older ladies in front of us. I'm sure you'll call me a TUCK and PI the crap out of me but I'm ready for it. I would like to just say that after 10+ years of basketball you would think Jamar would have some better/more post moves than the turn against his opponent and throw the ball at the rim, hoping it goes in. That is all. Bring on the PIs :comehere: :popcorn: :combofan:
GTFO
also, maybe you should upgrade to 4g :surprised:
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It was I who was yelling at Jam from the front row. It was also I (and my front row mate) who were told to watch the language in front of the older ladies in front of us. I'm sure you'll call me a TUCK and PI the crap out of me but I'm ready for it. I would like to just say that after 10+ years of basketball you would think Jamar would have some better/more post moves than the turn against his opponent and throw the ball at the rim, hoping it goes in. That is all. Bring on the PIs :comehere: :popcorn: :combofan:
No, you are 'aight.
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Crowd was angry. Even _FAN was angry at times. It was weird.
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PP: Anya going berserk on the refs all night long.
Pretty big evolution from "Do you have to wear purple?".
"WE ARE AT HOME!" she yelled once.
It felt good hearing Anya say that. We're home now.
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PP: Diaz's drive :love:
Took it right out of the book of DOB by JO. Too bad he didn't DOB
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so was the crowd really good in person, it sounded like crap on tv, the boos even sounded weak. was it just bad mic'ing.
I thought this, too. I was going to comment on how docile it seemed. Fran actually mentioned how quiet it was in the second half.
Owning Texas for so long made the result pre-determined.
Watching on TV, it never really felt as if the game was in doubt. I could see why(inexcusable though) those in attendence were backing off a bit in the second half.
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Honestly it was a very good crowd. It is too bad that did not translate.
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has anyone mentioned the ref handing the ball to Texas on the inbounds while gruds was tying his shoe? i kept thinking those 2 points might cost us the game. that is simply inexcusable and there was virtually nothing said about it on tv other than Fran continually saying how great the refs were.
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has anyone mentioned the ref handing the ball to Texas on the inbounds while gruds was tying his shoe? i kept thinking those 2 points might cost us the game. that is simply inexcusable and there was virtually nothing said about it on tv other than Fran continually saying how great the refs were.
Yeah, that was weird. Fran mentioned it. Pretty dumb by McGrudes, really.
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has anyone mentioned the ref handing the ball to Texas on the inbounds while gruds was tying his shoe? i kept thinking those 2 points might cost us the game. that is simply inexcusable and there was virtually nothing said about it on tv other than Fran continually saying how great the refs were.
Yeah, that was weird. Fran mentioned it. Pretty dumb by McGrudes, really.
I'm trying to remember if i have ever seen a situation where there was a dead ball and a player had lost a shoe and needed to put it back on, or needed to tie a shoe or whatever and the ref whistled play in before they could put their shoe back on or tie their shoe. They won't let you lollygag in a timeout and will place the ball and begin the count, but I can't remember not allowing a player to tie a shoe.
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has anyone mentioned the ref handing the ball to Texas on the inbounds while gruds was tying his shoe? i kept thinking those 2 points might cost us the game. that is simply inexcusable and there was virtually nothing said about it on tv other than Fran continually saying how great the refs were.
Yeah, that was weird. Fran mentioned it. Pretty dumb by McGrudes, really.
I'm trying to remember if i have ever seen a situation where there was a dead ball and a player had lost a shoe and needed to put it back on, or needed to tie a shoe or whatever and the ref whistled play in before they could put their shoe back on or tie their shoe. They won't let you lollygag in a timeout and will place the ball and begin the count, but I can't remember not allowing a player to tie a shoe.
They obviously didn't see him in time, dumbass.
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refs last night were effing lazy
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has anyone mentioned the ref handing the ball to Texas on the inbounds while gruds was tying his shoe? i kept thinking those 2 points might cost us the game. that is simply inexcusable and there was virtually nothing said about it on tv other than Fran continually saying how great the refs were.
To be fair, Gruds tied his shoe about a hundred times last night
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refs last night were effing lazy
Twice they threw it Brown for inbounds plays when he wasn't ready and he almost dropped it.
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PP: Anya going berserk on the refs all night long.
Pretty big evolution from "Do you have to wear purple?".
"WE ARE AT HOME!" she yelled once.
It felt good hearing Anya say that. We're home now.
fantastic.
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has anyone mentioned the ref handing the ball to Texas on the inbounds while gruds was tying his shoe? i kept thinking those 2 points might cost us the game. that is simply inexcusable and there was virtually nothing said about it on tv other than Fran continually saying how great the refs were.
Yeah, that was weird. Fran mentioned it. Pretty dumb by McGrudes, really.
I'm trying to remember if i have ever seen a situation where there was a dead ball and a player had lost a shoe and needed to put it back on, or needed to tie a shoe or whatever and the ref whistled play in before they could put their shoe back on or tie their shoe. They won't let you lollygag in a timeout and will place the ball and begin the count, but I can't remember not allowing a player to tie a shoe.
When he started to tie the shoe the trail official was talking to Frank and he was pretty pissed, I don't remember what they blew that time. The lead watched for that conversation to end, but didn't scan the court to see what was going on, Rod could have been having a seizure for all he knew. The lead official screwed that up big time.
Speaking of officials I don't think Joe Derosa has gotten enough run here. He's been here twice lately (Mizzou game which was also officiated poorly) and he's rough ridin' brutal, pretty sure he was the lead who didn't scan the floor before inbounding the ball. Anyway Derosa was fired from the NBA, with 4 other officials. His last season Derosa threw a basketball at a Magic fan in a playoff series against the Celtics. Derosa was suspended a game, but I'm pretty sure he didn't work any more playoff games that season & was fired in the off season. I wish I was a student or Garth so I could work Joe the way I worked Higgins against WVU. Anyway next time we have Derosa someone needs to go H.A.M. Here's Derosa
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogcdn.com%2Fwww.aolnews.com%2Fmedia%2F2010%2F05%2Fjoe-derosa-0510-307.jpg&hash=21a85048e22d2ded6432b41ba770b29c568b78d6)
Here's the story about him throwing a ball at a fan
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/05/19/no-special-treatment-for-joe-derosa/ (http://www.aolnews.com/2010/05/19/no-special-treatment-for-joe-derosa/)
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This may not be earth shattering to anyone else but it was for me.
We all know under Frank Martin that O-Boards are a hallmark of what we do and tv analysts frequently mention that it is "a part of their offense," last night I'm pretty sure I saw a play designed to get an offensive rebound. Here's the set up. I'm remembering this as I saw it live so I might miss a small detail as I have not watched the Watch ESPN replay. Anyway I'm pretty sure I saw this play ran both halves but my focus is the time I saw it in the 2nd. I believe that it was around 5 minutes left in the game. Rod was on the same side of the floor as Jamar and Big Gip. Jamar and Gipson set staggered screens for Rodney to give him a look near the top of the key. The screens are high enough for one of them to roll to the basket but neither player rolled. After Rodney took the pass from Will I believe who was on the elbow extended (either ar-t or Jones was in corner) Gipson and Samuels instead of rolling to the basket they simply turned and blocked out like it was a defensive rebound. Rodney missed the shot but the soft rebound fell right to Gipson who had perfect positioning, they blocked out so well they would have easily gotten a long board too.
As I've said this may not mean much to you all, and I'm sure I'm about 3 years late noticing this but I don't think I've seen a play designed almost specifically to get an offensive rebound. The design of the play was amazing, from the movement of the huge, to the spacing of the off guards, it was pretty cool.
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Martavious made the steal to seal the deal.
Favorite part. Should write the whole thing in this fashion, IMO.
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This may not be earth shattering to anyone else but it was for me.
We all know under Frank Martin that O-Boards are a hallmark of what we do and tv analysts frequently mention that it is "a part of their offense," last night I'm pretty sure I saw a play designed to get an offensive rebound. Here's the set up. I'm remembering this as I saw it live so I might miss a small detail as I have not watched the Watch ESPN replay. Anyway I'm pretty sure I saw this play ran both halves but my focus is the time I saw it in the 2nd. I believe that it was around 5 minutes left in the game. Rod was on the same side of the floor as Jamar and Big Gip. Jamar and Gipson set staggered screens for Rodney to give him a look near the top of the key. The screens are high enough for one of them to roll to the basket but neither player rolled. After Rodney took the pass from Will I believe who was on the elbow extended (either ar-t or Jones was in corner) Gipson and Samuels instead of rolling to the basket they simply turned and blocked out like it was a defensive rebound. Rodney missed the shot but the soft rebound fell right to Gipson who had perfect positioning, they blocked out so well they would have easily gotten a long board too.
As I've said this may not mean much to you all, and I'm sure I'm about 3 years late noticing this but I don't think I've seen a play designed almost specifically to get an offensive rebound. The design of the play was amazing, from the movement of the huge, to the spacing of the off guards, it was pretty cool.
I'm going to call this post- "What MakeItRain thinks about at 4:30 am"
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This may not be earth shattering to anyone else but it was for me.
We all know under Frank Martin that O-Boards are a hallmark of what we do and tv analysts frequently mention that it is "a part of their offense," last night I'm pretty sure I saw a play designed to get an offensive rebound. Here's the set up. I'm remembering this as I saw it live so I might miss a small detail as I have not watched the Watch ESPN replay. Anyway I'm pretty sure I saw this play ran both halves but my focus is the time I saw it in the 2nd. I believe that it was around 5 minutes left in the game. Rod was on the same side of the floor as Jamar and Big Gip. Jamar and Gipson set staggered screens for Rodney to give him a look near the top of the key. The screens are high enough for one of them to roll to the basket but neither player rolled. After Rodney took the pass from Will I believe who was on the elbow extended (either ar-t or Jones was in corner) Gipson and Samuels instead of rolling to the basket they simply turned and blocked out like it was a defensive rebound. Rodney missed the shot but the soft rebound fell right to Gipson who had perfect positioning, they blocked out so well they would have easily gotten a long board too.
As I've said this may not mean much to you all, and I'm sure I'm about 3 years late noticing this but I don't think I've seen a play designed almost specifically to get an offensive rebound. The design of the play was amazing, from the movement of the huge, to the spacing of the off guards, it was pretty cool.
Yeah. Many of Frank's set plays are clearly designed to get players into good position for offensive boards.
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This may not be earth shattering to anyone else but it was for me.
We all know under Frank Martin that O-Boards are a hallmark of what we do and tv analysts frequently mention that it is "a part of their offense," last night I'm pretty sure I saw a play designed to get an offensive rebound. Here's the set up. I'm remembering this as I saw it live so I might miss a small detail as I have not watched the Watch ESPN replay. Anyway I'm pretty sure I saw this play ran both halves but my focus is the time I saw it in the 2nd. I believe that it was around 5 minutes left in the game. Rod was on the same side of the floor as Jamar and Big Gip. Jamar and Gipson set staggered screens for Rodney to give him a look near the top of the key. The screens are high enough for one of them to roll to the basket but neither player rolled. After Rodney took the pass from Will I believe who was on the elbow extended (either ar-t or Jones was in corner) Gipson and Samuels instead of rolling to the basket they simply turned and blocked out like it was a defensive rebound. Rodney missed the shot but the soft rebound fell right to Gipson who had perfect positioning, they blocked out so well they would have easily gotten a long board too.
As I've said this may not mean much to you all, and I'm sure I'm about 3 years late noticing this but I don't think I've seen a play designed almost specifically to get an offensive rebound. The design of the play was amazing, from the movement of the huge, to the spacing of the off guards, it was pretty cool.
I'm going to call this post- "What MakeItRain thinks about at 4:30 am"
First chance I had to post it
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has anyone mentioned the ref handing the ball to Texas on the inbounds while gruds was tying his shoe? i kept thinking those 2 points might cost us the game. that is simply inexcusable and there was virtually nothing said about it on tv other than Fran continually saying how great the refs were.
Yeah, that was weird. Fran mentioned it. Pretty dumb by McGrudes, really.
I'm trying to remember if i have ever seen a situation where there was a dead ball and a player had lost a shoe and needed to put it back on, or needed to tie a shoe or whatever and the ref whistled play in before they could put their shoe back on or tie their shoe. They won't let you lollygag in a timeout and will place the ball and begin the count, but I can't remember not allowing a player to tie a shoe.
When he started to tie the shoe the trail official was talking to Frank and he was pretty pissed, I don't remember what they blew that time. The lead watched for that conversation to end, but didn't scan the court to see what was going on, Rod could have been having a seizure for all he knew. The lead official screwed that up big time.
Speaking of officials I don't think Joe Derosa has gotten enough run here. He's been here twice lately (Mizzou game which was also officiated poorly) and he's rough ridin' brutal, pretty sure he was the lead who didn't scan the floor before inbounding the ball. Anyway Derosa was fired from the NBA, with 4 other officials. His last season Derosa threw a basketball at a Magic fan in a playoff series against the Celtics. Derosa was suspended a game, but I'm pretty sure he didn't work any more playoff games that season & was fired in the off season. I wish I was a student or Garth so I could work Joe the way I worked Higgins against WVU. Anyway next time we have Derosa someone needs to go H.A.M. Here's Derosa
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogcdn.com%2Fwww.aolnews.com%2Fmedia%2F2010%2F05%2Fjoe-derosa-0510-307.jpg&hash=21a85048e22d2ded6432b41ba770b29c568b78d6)
Here's the story about him throwing a ball at a fan
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/05/19/no-special-treatment-for-joe-derosa/ (http://www.aolnews.com/2010/05/19/no-special-treatment-for-joe-derosa/)
Great info. He was the worst of the bunch by far. He is also the one that apologized to angel about blowing the goaltending call.
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This may not be earth shattering to anyone else but it was for me.
We all know under Frank Martin that O-Boards are a hallmark of what we do and tv analysts frequently mention that it is "a part of their offense," last night I'm pretty sure I saw a play designed to get an offensive rebound. Here's the set up. I'm remembering this as I saw it live so I might miss a small detail as I have not watched the Watch ESPN replay. Anyway I'm pretty sure I saw this play ran both halves but my focus is the time I saw it in the 2nd. I believe that it was around 5 minutes left in the game. Rod was on the same side of the floor as Jamar and Big Gip. Jamar and Gipson set staggered screens for Rodney to give him a look near the top of the key. The screens are high enough for one of them to roll to the basket but neither player rolled. After Rodney took the pass from Will I believe who was on the elbow extended (either ar-t or Jones was in corner) Gipson and Samuels instead of rolling to the basket they simply turned and blocked out like it was a defensive rebound. Rodney missed the shot but the soft rebound fell right to Gipson who had perfect positioning, they blocked out so well they would have easily gotten a long board too.
As I've said this may not mean much to you all, and I'm sure I'm about 3 years late noticing this but I don't think I've seen a play designed almost specifically to get an offensive rebound. The design of the play was amazing, from the movement of the huge, to the spacing of the off guards, it was pretty cool.
Yeah. Many of Frank's set plays are clearly designed to get players into good position for offensive boards.
The difference I noticed in this particular set is that the offensive players sacrificed a potential better scoring position (not rolling to the basket after the pick) for better rebounding position. Like I said I'm probably late to the party noticing this.
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has anyone mentioned the ref handing the ball to Texas on the inbounds while gruds was tying his shoe? i kept thinking those 2 points might cost us the game. that is simply inexcusable and there was virtually nothing said about it on tv other than Fran continually saying how great the refs were.
Yeah, that was weird. Fran mentioned it. Pretty dumb by McGrudes, really.
Don't blame McOrebs you eff. That is 100% on the ref. Players tie their shoes during dead ball situations all the time, and refs wait on them. There was no way McOrebs would have known this ref was vastly more incompetent than his peers.
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The difference I noticed in this particular set is that the offensive players sacrificed a potential better scoring position (not rolling to the basket after the pick) for better rebounding position. Like I said I'm probably late to the party noticing this.
Great analysis, and yeah, he's been doing this for a while. I'm pretty sure some (all?) of his out of bounds plays have elements designed specifically to put players in good rebounding position. All of Frank's teams have been top 6 nationally in OR%, and it's because of plays like this. It almost makes the first shot a "bonus" shot. I think it's great, personally, but I can see why a lot of fans don't understand or appreciate it.
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The difference I noticed in this particular set is that the offensive players sacrificed a potential better scoring position (not rolling to the basket after the pick) for better rebounding position. Like I said I'm probably late to the party noticing this.
Great analysis, and yeah, he's been doing this for a while. I'm pretty sure some (all?) of his out of bounds plays have elements designed specifically to put players in good rebounding position. All of Frank's teams have been top 6 nationally in OR%, and it's because of plays like this. It almost makes the first shot a "bonus" shot. I think it's great, personally, but I can see why a lot of fans don't understand or appreciate it.
I love Frank's style of basketball mainly because you can win a lot of different ways (or different styles of games) and the things he emphasizes (rebounding and defense) are things that (in theory) you can do consistently well. Also, IMO you can recruit the way he recruits and win consistently because you don't always have to have the most skilled or elite players.
However, we've seen plenty of the negative; I really think he has to Frank around with players because if his teams don't at least match the effort of the opponent (if not surpass it) then we aren't going to win.
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However, we've seen plenty of the negative; I really think he has to Frank around with players because if his teams don't at least match the effort of the opponent (if not surpass it) then we aren't going to win.
His style with his recruits takes away a lot of margin of error. No great ability to make up for lapses. This is why something would have to change for us to be consistently fantastic. Consistently really good is achievable.
We are always one very stressed 19yr old headcase away from being slightly( to very) mumped for a few games in a row.
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The difference I noticed in this particular set is that the offensive players sacrificed a potential better scoring position (not rolling to the basket after the pick) for better rebounding position. Like I said I'm probably late to the party noticing this.
Great analysis, and yeah, he's been doing this for a while. I'm pretty sure some (all?) of his out of bounds plays have elements designed specifically to put players in good rebounding position. All of Frank's teams have been top 6 nationally in OR%, and it's because of plays like this. It almost makes the first shot a "bonus" shot. I think it's great, personally, but I can see why a lot of fans don't understand or appreciate it.
Denis used to do this with some of his floaters...he'd see a guy in position for the o-board and he'd rush a floater toward the basket...looked like he was tossing it up there and it it happened to go in, great, but he wasn't taking his time to line it up, just trying to at least get it to the rim so someone could o-board and finish.
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However, we've seen plenty of the negative; I really think he has to Frank around with players because if his teams don't at least match the effort of the opponent (if not surpass it) then we aren't going to win.
His style with his recruits takes away a lot of margin of error. No great ability to make up for lapses. This is why something would have to change for us to be consistently fantastic. Consistently really good is achievable.
We are always one very stressed 19yr old headcase away from being slightly( to very) mumped for a few games in a row.
This is true for every team in the country, literally everyone. Bill Self is skewing your view.
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However, we've seen plenty of the negative; I really think he has to Frank around with players because if his teams don't at least match the effort of the opponent (if not surpass it) then we aren't going to win.
His style with his recruits takes away a lot of margin of error. No great ability to make up for lapses. This is why something would have to change for us to be consistently fantastic. Consistently really good is achievable.
We are always one very stressed 19yr old headcase away from being slightly( to very) mumped for a few games in a row.
This is true for every team in the country, literally everyone. Bill Self is skewing your view.
Perhaps. I suppose it is pretty similar to living and dying by the three.
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However, we've seen plenty of the negative; I really think he has to Frank around with players because if his teams don't at least match the effort of the opponent (if not surpass it) then we aren't going to win.
His style with his recruits takes away a lot of margin of error. No great ability to make up for lapses. This is why something would have to change for us to be consistently fantastic. Consistently really good is achievable.
We are always one very stressed 19yr old headcase away from being slightly( to very) mumped for a few games in a row.
This is true for every team in the country, literally everyone. Bill Self is skewing your view.
yes, but the results/consequences are quite different. ksu, the margin for error relates to making the NIT vs. NCAA, at KU it is winning the league or not winning the league.
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who give a crap about how we compare to ku?
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However, we've seen plenty of the negative; I really think he has to Frank around with players because if his teams don't at least match the effort of the opponent (if not surpass it) then we aren't going to win.
His style with his recruits takes away a lot of margin of error. No great ability to make up for lapses. This is why something would have to change for us to be consistently fantastic. Consistently really good is achievable.
We are always one very stressed 19yr old headcase away from being slightly( to very) mumped for a few games in a row.
This is true for every team in the country, literally everyone. Bill Self is skewing your view.
Perhaps. I suppose it is pretty similar to living and dying by the three.
FOOL'S GOLD
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Paging DJamer Johnno Jesus. Between the commercials, the band and the worst 7 nation army drop I've ever heard it was a miracle that the sheer white hot anger of rural Americans propelled Kansas State to victory.
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Paging DJamer Johnno Jesus. Between the commercials, the band and the worst 7 nation army drop I've ever heard it was a miracle that the sheer white hot anger of rural Americans propelled Kansas State to victory.
By far the worst performance of the year
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who give a crap about how we compare to ku?
Sadly, all non-members of this board. It has really warped our fanbase.
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who give a crap about how we compare to ku?
Sadly, all non-members of this board. It has really warped our fanbase.
oh stop. It is most members of this board too.
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who give a crap about how we compare to ku?
Sadly, all non-members of this board. It has really warped our fanbase.
oh stop. It is most members of this board too.
Yeah. But it was simpler just to say "them". Any historical war time leader would have my back on this.
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who give a crap about how we compare to ku?
Sadly, all non-members of this board. It has really warped our fanbase.
oh stop. It is most members of this board too.
Yeah. But it was simpler just to say "them". Any historical war time leader would have my back on this.
As a history major, I can confirm this. FR is correct.
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who give a crap about how we compare to ku?
Sadly, all non-members of this board. It has really warped our fanbase.
oh stop. It is most members of this board too.
Yeah. But it was simpler just to say "them". Any historical war time leader would have my back on this.
I am probably more in fatty's "big tent" emaw conception, but if you are going to start criticizing I think you have to commit to it. Maybe sys can give you some pointers.
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we will never ever recruit or win at the level that they have for the last 15 years.
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Frank's style increases the margin of error IMO. At least on offense. When you can win a game handily in conference on the road with a 39% EFG you have a pretty wide margin of error.
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Frank's style increases the margin of error IMO. At least on offense. When you can win a game handily in conference on the road with a 39% EFG you have a pretty wide margin of error.
Exactly. That's one of the reasons I like it.
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Frank's style increases the margin of error IMO. At least on offense. When you can win a game handily in conference on the road with a 39% EFG you have a pretty wide margin of error.
...we're so close...if frank could just recruit a little better.....
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Frank's style increases the margin of error IMO. At least on offense. When you can win a game handily in conference on the road with a 39% EFG you have a pretty wide margin of error.
Exactly. That's one of the reasons I like it.
a style that when executed gives your team more opportunities than the other team. be really good in OR% and TO%