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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on January 18, 2012, 11:26:03 PM
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1st Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 35 1.21 54.2% 16.9% 47.6% 25.0%
Opp 35 1.18 56.0% 28.2% 50.0% 56.0%
2nd Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 35 1.18 52.2% 17.2% 56.3% 130.4%
Opp 35 1.09 48.5% 17.2% 43.8% 20.6%
Total Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 71 1.19 53.4% 17.0% 51.4% 66.1%
Opp 71 1.13 51.7% 22.6% 46.2% 35.6%
It was ugly, but the Cats won every statistical category. This is a rare game where FT% made a significant difference in the point differential because one team shot significantly worse than average (12% worse for us) and the other shot significantly better (19% better for UT). This accounted for a nearly a 9 point swing in what the results would have been had each team shot to their average. No K-State fan would've complained about beating UT by 12. Otherwise, we didn't play great defense, but overall did a lot of things well, it was just a frustrating game made worse by inconsistent officiating.
Take the win and run. Now go win in Stillwater for the first time since Bush was President. HW Bush (Clinton took office 11 days later).
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130.4% FTR in the the 2nd half :love:
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130.4% FTR in the the 2nd half :love:
We outscored UT from the FT line by 2 points.
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130.4% FTR in the the 2nd half :love:
We outscored UT from the FT line by 2 points.
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Wow. That is extremely JYC-y.
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Finally took care of the ball
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We sucked outside of a couple of bright spots.
Jamar played well when on the court. Gip played well. Rod obviously.
I haven't felt this bad after a win in awhile.
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We sucked outside of a couple of bright spots.
Jamar played well when on the court. Gip played well. Rod obviously.
I haven't felt this bad after a win in awhile.
N. Florida?
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Missing 8 of 10 free throws down the stretch to salt the game was quite upsetting.
I'm hoping this trend of giving away games or almost giving away games because of a lack of concentration is going to be reversed.
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We sucked outside of a couple of bright spots.
Jamar played well when on the court. Gip played well. Rod obviously.
I haven't felt this bad after a win in awhile.
Wait until after Saturday when we get our ass kicked all over the court and lose. This rough ridin' team is awful...sans Gruds, if he goes down with an injury we are looking at winning about 2 more conference games the rest of the year
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We sucked outside of a couple of bright spots.
Jamar played well when on the court. Gip played well. Rod obviously.
I haven't felt this bad after a win in awhile.
Wait until after Saturday when we get our ass kicked all over the court and lose. This rough ridin' team is awful...sans Gruds, if he goes down with an injury we are looking at winning about 0 more conference games the rest of the year
Is it just me, or were we playing better when McGruds wasn't being the team "leader"? :dunno:
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It seems like we have less people as involved in the scoring. Not looking at stats, but seems like it.
Also, our bench seems to be contributing less. bench had something like 17pts last night, iirc.
I don't think it is because of Rodney, in fact, I think it's the other way around.
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Honestly I thought Texas played really well considering our fast start and 15 point 1st half lead. We should be pleased with this win.
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It seems like we have less people as involved in the scoring. Not looking at stats, but seems like it.
Also, our bench seems to be contributing less. bench had something like 17pts last night, iirc.
I don't think it is because of Rodney, in fact, I think it's the other way around.
Sprads has to play better. In Big 12 play he's only shooting 31.8% overall, and a terrible 25% on 2 point shots. 3 point shooting is at 33.3%, also well below his average. Plus he's at 18 assists to 13 TOs. Not terrible, but he's had three games with 4 TOs in that stretch.
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Will played better last night. He got to the rim more aggressively than he has all year. Even though he didn't make anything, it led to a lot of ORebs.
And LOL @ anyone not unhappy with this win. LOL.
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Fran Fraschilla, during the telecast, said that all referees in power conferences should watch the tape to see how best to officiate high major basketball. I nearly spit out my fine German hefeweizen.
Texas played about as well as they will on the road and we still beat them. Be happy.
Although we sucked at the free throw line the last minute of play, we still made more free throws than they attempted, iirc. This is the only free throw statistic I care about.
EMAW, bring on the Pokes. We need to beat them in Stillwater now before Marcus Smart owns us next year.
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Sprads and Big 12 PGs, hasn't been a good arrangement for the KSU Cats.
I like him so much more off the ball, catch and shoot, take care of the ball, find the open man, don't worry about creating.
But our other options are fairly limited at PG right now, so it is what it is, we are what we are.
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How much do we trust JJones? How much does Frank trust him?
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Sprads and Big 12 PGs, hasn't been a good arrangement for the KSU Cats.
I like him so much more off the ball, catch and shoot, take care of the ball, find the open man, don't worry about creating.
But our other options are fairly limited at PG right now, so it is what it is, we are what we are.
Agreed, really need Angel to come around quickly
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Sprads and Big 12 PGs, hasn't been a good arrangement for the KSU Cats.
I like him so much more off the ball, catch and shoot, take care of the ball, find the open man, don't worry about creating.
But our other options are fairly limited at PG right now, so it is what it is, we are what we are.
Yeah, I guess his plays off the ball were what led him getting to the rim so much. It was good, either way.
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Maybe Frank is buying into the perception that Jeremy Jones is a quality basketball player, which he is not...
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Sprads and Big 12 PGs, hasn't been a good arrangement for the KSU Cats.
I like him so much more off the ball, catch and shoot, take care of the ball, find the open man, don't worry about creating.
But our other options are fairly limited at PG right now, so it is what it is, we are what we are.
Yeah, I guess his plays off the ball were what led him getting to the rim so much. It was good, either way.
Yeah, he does appear to come curling off those screens more aggressive and ready to attack, really had some tough luck on a couple of those floaters, have no clue how that 1 didn't fall in the 1st half, Henriquez got the tap in though, so I guess it's all good.
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Sprads and Big 12 PGs, hasn't been a good arrangement for the KSU Cats.
I like him so much more off the ball, catch and shoot, take care of the ball, find the open man, don't worry about creating.
But our other options are fairly limited at PG right now, so it is what it is, we are what we are.
Yeah, I guess his plays off the ball were what led him getting to the rim so much. It was good, either way.
Yeah, he does appear to come curling off those screens more aggressive and ready to attack, really had some tough luck on a couple of those floaters, have no clue how that 1 didn't fall in the 1st half, Henriquez got the tap in though, so I guess it's all good.
One of the stats that interested me was OR% off certain player's misses, for example it seemed like Denis's runners led to more OR's than other misses, and it seemed like Sprads was the same way last night. So I looked it up: Sprads had 6 misses, but 4 of them led to OR's.
Someone smarter and/or more time on their hands than me should start tracking OR% off each players misses. thanks.
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Will played better last night. He got to the rim more aggressively than he has all year. Even though he didn't make anything, it led to a lot of ORebs.
And LOL @ anyone not unhappy with this win. LOL.
I'm not unhappy with any win, ever. :ck:
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Sprads and Big 12 PGs, hasn't been a good arrangement for the KSU Cats.
I like him so much more off the ball, catch and shoot, take care of the ball, find the open man, don't worry about creating.
But our other options are fairly limited at PG right now, so it is what it is, we are what we are.
Yeah, I guess his plays off the ball were what led him getting to the rim so much. It was good, either way.
Yeah, he does appear to come curling off those screens more aggressive and ready to attack, really had some tough luck on a couple of those floaters, have no clue how that 1 didn't fall in the 1st half, Henriquez got the tap in though, so I guess it's all good.
One of the stats that interested me was OR% off certain player's misses, for example it seemed like Denis's runners led to more OR's than other misses, and it seemed like Sprads was the same way last night. So I looked it up: Sprads had 6 misses, but 4 of them led to OR's.
Someone smarter and/or more time on their hands than me should start tracking OR% off each players misses. thanks.
Hmmm. That would be an interesting stat. "Who is our best player at missing shots well".
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Will played better last night. He got to the rim more aggressively than he has all year. Even though he didn't make anything, it led to a lot of ORebs.
And LOL @ anyone not unhappy with this win. LOL.
This is ridiculous. If someone wants to be pissed at the FT's than I won't complain. We left 18 points at the FT line...18!!! They left 2. The game is a snoozer if we make our FT's and they don't go 19-21....both were anomalies.
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Will played better last night. He got to the rim more aggressively than he has all year. Even though he didn't make anything, it led to a lot of ORebs.
And LOL @ anyone not unhappy with this win. LOL.
This is ridiculous. If someone wants to be pissed at the FT's than I won't complain. We left 18 points at the FT line...18!!! They left 2. The game is a snoozer if we make our FT's and they don't go 19-21....both were anomalies.
Fuktard, I refuse to believe missing 8 of our last 10 FT's in the last 2 minutes of a close game as being an "anomaly" where you just throw your hands up and say "Oh well, sure hope that doesn't happen again!"
It was a teamwide failure to deliver in the clutch. Now, I hope it provides some strong motivation for our team to put in some work to get that corrected(probablly and preferrably on their own time).
Glad to get the win, but we have got to improve in closing these games out, whether it be taking care of the ball, knocking down FT's, eliminating defensive lapses, we have got to stay mentally strong late.
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Sprads and Big 12 PGs, hasn't been a good arrangement for the KSU Cats.
I like him so much more off the ball, catch and shoot, take care of the ball, find the open man, don't worry about creating.
But our other options are fairly limited at PG right now, so it is what it is, we are what we are.
i don't think that angel will ever be an effective b12 pg
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I honestly don't know if UW is trolling, but the 2-10 FT's stretch is definitely an anamoly.
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I honestly don't know if UW is trolling, but the 2-10 FT's stretch is definitely an anamoly.
No trolling dammit, tucking my shirt in good and tight, don't care if you've gone 0-5 from the line up until that point, if you're a halfway decent shooter like Gruds, Rodriguez, and Sprads are, you step up and knock those down late.
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I honestly don't know if UW is trolling, but the 2-10 FT's stretch is definitely an anamoly.
No trolling dammit, tucking my shirt in good and tight, don't care if you've gone 0-5 from the line up until that point, if you're a halfway decent shooter like Gruds, Rodriguez, and Sprads are, you step up and knock those down late.
Anamoly. Look at WVU and VT. Those are really the only close games that involved FT's.
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How much do we trust JJones? How much does Frank trust him?
you know the answer to both these questions.
we trust JJones very little and Frank trusts him even less.
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Sprads and Big 12 PGs, hasn't been a good arrangement for the KSU Cats.
I like him so much more off the ball, catch and shoot, take care of the ball, find the open man, don't worry about creating.
But our other options are fairly limited at PG right now, so it is what it is, we are what we are.
Yeah, I guess his plays off the ball were what led him getting to the rim so much. It was good, either way.
Yeah, he does appear to come curling off those screens more aggressive and ready to attack, really had some tough luck on a couple of those floaters, have no clue how that 1 didn't fall in the 1st half, Henriquez got the tap in though, so I guess it's all good.
One of the stats that interested me was OR% off certain player's misses, for example it seemed like Denis's runners led to more OR's than other misses, and it seemed like Sprads was the same way last night. So I looked it up: Sprads had 6 misses, but 4 of them led to OR's.
Someone smarter and/or more time on their hands than me should start tracking OR% off each players misses. thanks.
:cool:
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I honestly don't know if UW is trolling, but the 2-10 FT's stretch is definitely an anamoly.
No trolling dammit, tucking my shirt in good and tight, don't care if you've gone 0-5 from the line up until that point, if you're a halfway decent shooter like Gruds, Rodriguez, and Sprads are, you step up and knock those down late.
Anamoly. Look at WVU and VT. Those are really the only close games that involved FT's.
Completely different cicrumstances in all 3 of those games, I was disappointed we didn't deliver in the clutch last night.
We can't let it happen again, so from that perspective, I really do hope it was an anomaly.
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I honestly don't know if UW is trolling, but the 2-10 FT's stretch is definitely an anamoly.
No trolling dammit, tucking my shirt in good and tight, don't care if you've gone 0-5 from the line up until that point, if you're a halfway decent shooter like Gruds, Rodriguez, and Sprads are, you step up and knock those down late.
Anamoly. Look at WVU and VT. Those are really the only close games that involved FT's.
Completely different cicrumstances in all 3 of those games, I was disappointed we didn't deliver in the clutch last night.
We can't let it happen again, so from that perspective, I really do hope it was an anomaly.
It was.
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I honestly don't know if UW is trolling, but the 2-10 FT's stretch is definitely an anamoly.
No trolling dammit, tucking my shirt in good and tight, don't care if you've gone 0-5 from the line up until that point, if you're a halfway decent shooter like Gruds, Rodriguez, and Sprads are, you step up and knock those down late.
Anamoly. Look at WVU and VT. Those are really the only close games that involved FT's.
Completely different cicrumstances in all 3 of those games, I was disappointed we didn't deliver in the clutch last night.
We can't let it happen again, so from that perspective, I really do hope it was an anomaly.
The circumstances were very, very similar to VT.
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I honestly don't know if UW is trolling, but the 2-10 FT's stretch is definitely an anamoly.
No trolling dammit, tucking my shirt in good and tight, don't care if you've gone 0-5 from the line up until that point, if you're a halfway decent shooter like Gruds, Rodriguez, and Sprads are, you step up and knock those down late.
Anamoly. Look at WVU and VT. Those are really the only close games that involved FT's.
Completely different cicrumstances in all 3 of those games, I was disappointed we didn't deliver in the clutch last night.
We can't let it happen again, so from that perspective, I really do hope it was an anomaly.
The circumstances were very, very similar to VT.
The environment, pressure, and expectations were completely different.
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Gruds has finally figured out his role. sprads needs get his head out of his ass and figure out one. I think everyone else has it down pretty good on offense.
I don't know WTF to think on defense. Just not athletic enough with sprads and gip on the floor at the same time I guess.
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Gruds has finally figured out his role. sprads needs get his head out of his ass and figure out one. I think everyone else has it down pretty good on offense.
I don't know WTF to think on defense. Just not athletic enough with sprads and gip on the floor at the same time I guess.
Agree on Will.
I think part of the defense is guards, but I also think this is the major part of lesson learning from Frank. We have enough new pieces that struggle with some of Frank's concepts that it is difficult to maintain consistency. The more the season has went on, the more those weaknesses get exposed. We've shown plenty of stretches that we can still pay really great defense, we just struggle to keep it together for 40 minutes. My tendency is to believe as more players figure things out that we will get better/more consistent rather than worse.
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I enjoy watching angel play defense up in some guys face
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How much do we trust JJones? How much does Frank trust him?
you know the answer to both these questions.
we trust JJones very little and Frank trusts him even less.
I trust Devon Peterson 2.0 a lot, I said A LOT!
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How much do we trust JJones? How much does Frank trust him?
you know the answer to both these questions.
we trust JJones very little and Frank trusts him even less.
I trust Devon Peterson 2.0 a lot, I said A LOT!
I think Frank is really trying to trust Jones.
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jones was pretty awful last night. So was martavious.
And UT sets lots of moving screens. Everyone does, though, I guess.
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And UT sets lots of moving screens. Everyone does, though, I guess.
Not like Barnes does. He dares officials to call it and they don't. He went back to the "have the big walk up the floor with his hands up" moving screen while UT's guards dribble around him more than he has in some time it seemed to me.
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And UT sets lots of moving screens. Everyone does, though, I guess.
Not like Barnes does. He dares officials to call it and they don't. He went back to the "have the big walk up the floor with his hands up" moving screen while UT's guards dribble around him more than he has in some time it seemed to me.
The arms up thing is the worst. They did it a ton when they broke Beasley's heart during the ELITE unveiling. They also had the guy in the post pretend to be a post but he was really just there to set a moving screen for Kapogno. It was kind of weird, but they did it a ton.
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And UT sets lots of moving screens. Everyone does, though, I guess.
Not like Barnes does. He dares officials to call it and they don't. He went back to the "have the big walk up the floor with his hands up" moving screen while UT's guards dribble around him more than he has in some time it seemed to me.
The arms up thing is the worst. They did it a ton when they broke Beasley's heart during the ELITE unveiling. They also had the guy in the post pretend to be a post but he was really just there to set a moving screen for Kapogno. It was kind of weird, but they did it a ton.
I can't stand it.
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And UT sets lots of moving screens. Everyone does, though, I guess.
Not like Barnes does. He dares officials to call it and they don't. He went back to the "have the big walk up the floor with his hands up" moving screen while UT's guards dribble around him more than he has in some time it seemed to me.
The arms up thing is the worst. They did it a ton when they broke Beasley's heart during the ELITE unveiling. They also had the guy in the post pretend to be a post but he was really just there to set a moving screen for Kapogno. It was kind of weird, but they did it a ton.
I can't stand it.
You know he planned it.
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:D
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And UT sets lots of moving screens. Everyone does, though, I guess.
Not like Barnes does. He dares officials to call it and they don't. He went back to the "have the big walk up the floor with his hands up" moving screen while UT's guards dribble around him more than he has in some time it seemed to me.
The arms up thing is the worst. They did it a ton when they broke Beasley's heart during the ELITE unveiling. They also had the guy in the post pretend to be a post but he was really just there to set a moving screen for Kapogno. It was kind of weird, but they did it a ton.
Turd's offense did this all the time too.
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I honestly don't know if UW is trolling, but the 2-10 FT's stretch is definitely an anamoly.
No trolling dammit, tucking my shirt in good and tight, don't care if you've gone 0-5 from the line up until that point, if you're a halfway decent shooter like Gruds, Rodriguez, and Sprads are, you step up and knock those down late.
Anamoly. Look at WVU and VT. Those are really the only close games that involved FT's.
Completely different cicrumstances in all 3 of those games, I was disappointed we didn't deliver in the clutch last night.
We can't let it happen again, so from that perspective, I really do hope it was an anomaly.
The circumstances were very, very similar to VT.
The environment, pressure, and expectations were completely different.
You're both right BTW, of course 2-10 from the line at any point by any combination of FT shooters on any level beyond middle school is an anomaly. However, it wasn't some fluke, it was a bona fide choke job. The first misses by Irving and ar-t weren't surprising because they are crappy free throw shooters, it was the last 1-4 from Rodney and Will that can only be explained by the lemon booty. It won't happen again, but it was most definitely a choke job.
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The first misses by Irving and ar-t weren't surprising because they are crappy free throw shooters.
no. 73%, was over 80% until his last couple of games.