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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Kat Kid on January 11, 2012, 12:14:37 PM
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Peggy Po's!!
ROOOOOODNEYYY MCGRUUUUUUUUDER! What a game. 30 points, 2 3's. A HUGE bucket to bring it back to within 1. Defense, scrappy plays to keep balls alive, led the team in rebounds, LED THE TEAM PERIOD. Best performance in a losing effort since Jacob's final game. Rodney has been incredible. He is clearly ready to be All-Big 12 NOW. He got in to the lane and destroyed their zone. He still got to the lane against their man. He got to the line. He made every free throw. He was a monster. I cannot say enough positives. It was an unbelievable performance. I was happy to see it. I was proud to be there. Rod, you can do this. Pullen had a goofy side-kick big, but he put the team on his back. You are being asked to do it a year early. But I believe now. I really beleive. I see the fire. You could always play, now you can lead.
Shane's lobs to DOB
Going to Sandstorm early and often Before the tip? Love it. DJamer Johnno is closer than you fools think.
Scott Drew's glorious meltdown wherein he took off his necktie This may be why I am so upset he won. Scott Drew's meltdown would've taken on mythic proportions and been LOL'd about for years to come. Instead, I'm thinking about Frank's rinky-dink in-bounds plays, our guards melting down, our inability to find a secondary 3 point shooter other than Rodney.
Posting up Rod This was good for two points and we went to it two to three times. I would've liked to see it one or two more times. It should be a bankable 2-6 points a game for Rod and it helps because we are so bad about getting him touches that Frank needs to call set plays. He called a curl for Rod that worked as well. Frank needs to take a more involved role in getting Rod the ball because he is not going to demand it and our team does not seem to understand the urgency of the hot hand when you are playing for the game. But this is not NN, so I'll move right along to more sunshine.
Angelito's swag Kid is not afraid to try and put the team on his back. He showed some flashes of Pullen - Composure. Hopefully that will come. His three pointer to take the lead was a HUGE shot. His drive to the bucket should've been passed to Rod for a wide open corner 3 for the win. That is who you want taking that shot. He gets tunnel vision sometimes, but the raw materials are there for a monster. It is easier to see now than it was for me before.
JO DOB!
Mar-Mar-Mar-MAR-TAY-VIOUS first ten minutes were his finest as a Wildcat. 6 points, commanding the game, comfortable on the ball, a steal. Then he lost the script....Which brings us to........
Nancy Neg's!![/i][/b]
Backcourt- all of em, line em up, #teamangel, Will, Tay, Shane We go through a stretch where Jamar, Will, Tay, Angel, Thomas and Shane all throw the ball to the other team for points. We hustle. We scrap. We hit three three pointers with Angel getting the last to take the lead. Then two minutes later it is a complete meltdown. Everyone in the league wants to play defense against Angel. Sure you may get burned once or twice, but you will look like a hero on tape. You will make Sportscenter playing against Angelito. He cannot be trusted to maintain composure and thus cannot be trusted with the game. Really though, it wasn't all his fault. It was everyone melting down that made Frank turn to Angel. Tay and Will have a lot to answer for after that. Will and Tay are supposed to safeguard the basketball and run our offense. Instead, they allowed themselves to get eaten alive by Baylor's guards. It was disgusting to watch.
Shane Go sit down. No one cares you throw a nice lob. Also, maybe try to turn yourself in to half as good a rebounder as McGruder. You play so scared and hesitant on the boards it is sickening.
Bad stats: Rebounding (outboarded 1st half), FTR 1st half, Assist/Turnover Rate for us and them
TURNOVR by Rodriguez, Angel 03:30
03:29 STEAL by Acy, Quincy
03:26 71-71 T 6 GOOD! LAYUP by Acy, Quincy [FB/PNT]
03:26 ASSIST by Heslip, Brady
TURNOVR by Rodriguez, Angel 03:17
03:16 STEAL by Acy, Quincy
03:14 71-73 V 2 GOOD! DUNK by Acy, Quincy [FB/PNT]
JO's absurd line violation
The referees Called 15 fouls on Baylor in the first ten minutes of the second half, then realized everyone on Baylor was about to foul out and swallowed their whistles. The walk on Gip was terrible, the two-handed shove that Acy got to pull down an O-board was terrible, Will had a clean block turned into a shooting foul. The general flow and pace of the game was impossible for either team to figure out. Baylor dared the referees to foul them out and the refs backed down. Kansas State seemed unwilling to match that physicality. Jamar could not handle it down low, Gipson did not match it consistently, JO..moving on, our guards were terrified and shook. It was a disaster apart from McGruder and the occaisional lob to JO to DOB. I mean outside of Tay's first ten minutes that is more or less the entirety of our offensive production for the game. What a crap show.
JO specifically (our bigs in general) on ball screens at both ends Tape will look AWFUL. JO at least twice just went out there and stood at a spot two feet off the ball handler and backed away (making himself small) and readied to receive a pass all the while the guard is getting a brutal double team. It was pathetic, it was poor fundamentals, it was cowardly. In addition, our "wrinkle" to do the little KU pop out by the big on ball screens was terribly implemented and left our bigs out of position and completely screwed our defense leading to easy points at least twice. As bad as our guards were, they did not get much help from the bigs off the ball on either side of the floor.
#teamangel again Not Angel personally, but all the people who will not acknowledge the real shortcomings posted by non-haters. STFU already.
Jamar and WIll What a disaster. Go sit in the corner. You deserted Rod. Left him out there alone while you indulged yourselves in lazy, selfish, rudderless basketball.
Frank We talked about this last week. In-bounds plays are not the ONLY thing, but they are A thing. When you have one in bound play to run to get a shot for the tie or the win, I'd like to see something better than an aspirational toss toward the rim. It was horrific. It was inexcusable. It was poorly drawn (a crude stick figure of a Bill Self play), clearly not practiced much, and poorly executed. Terrible all around. Now go read your effort rant to yourself and put in some work on new in-bounds plays that don't embarass the entire institution.
GOATS UP!
"WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING ANGEL?! GET HIM OUT! NOW! OUT!
"Will. You suck."
"JAMAR!!!!!!"
Frank "Out coached by Drew, well now I've seen it all."
In bounds play "Well, see you next time. I'm not sticking around for post-game."
GOATS DOWN
ROOOOOOOODNEEEEY MCGRUUUUUUUUUDER!!!!! FOR THREEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not having Shane as the #1 Goats Up candidate invalidates this PP/NN.
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NN: we've got the lead, Baylor in double bonus, and our offense goes to crap. how does this happen? just draw a damn foul. dribble penetrate. send it to JO on the block (oh i mean on the bench, FYF). just draw the foul.
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NN: we've got the lead, Baylor in double bonus, and our offense goes to crap. how does this happen? just draw a damn foul. dribble penetrate. send it to JO on the block (oh i mean on the bench, FYF). just draw the foul.
Our inability to get McGruder the ball is sickening.
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NN: we've got the lead, Baylor in double bonus, and our offense goes to crap. how does this happen? just draw a damn foul. dribble penetrate. send it to JO on the block (oh i mean on the bench, FYF). just draw the foul.
Our inability to get McGruder the ball is sickening.
just get anyone the ball in scoring position, the refs wanted to blow their whistles, we never gave them a chance to.
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NN: we've got the lead, Baylor in double bonus, and our offense goes to crap. how does this happen? just draw a damn foul. dribble penetrate. send it to JO on the block (oh i mean on the bench, FYF). just draw the foul.
Our inability to get McGruder the ball is sickening.
just get anyone the ball in scoring position, the refs wanted to blow their whistles, we never gave them a chance to.
Hmmmm, I don't know. A lot of contact went unaccounted for after the orgy to start the second half.
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Thanks for this, Tortuga. Always enjoy reading them.
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:bawl:
Tears for two reasons.
1st for joy. Joy because I had anticipated these PPs/NNs and they didn't disappointed. Well executed (unlike inbounds plays), well written, just well done. Very nice.
2nd for sadness/frustration. Just highlighted (and rehighlighted) what we saw last night (and more). After almost getting over it I'm sort of ticked off again. Dang.
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NN: we've got the lead, Baylor in double bonus, and our offense goes to crap. how does this happen? just draw a damn foul. dribble penetrate. send it to JO on the block (oh i mean on the bench, FYF). just draw the foul.
Our inability to get McGruder the ball is sickening.
just get anyone the ball in scoring position, the refs wanted to blow their whistles, we never gave them a chance to.
Hmmmm, I don't know. A lot of contact went unaccounted for after the orgy to start the second half.
i'm talking sub 4 minute mark.
we probably played the worst, last 4 minutes of basketball in the history of the game of college basketball. and when i say "we" i include our fans, and our coaching staff, and of course the team.
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i'm talking sub 4 minute mark.
we probably played the worst, last 4 minutes of basketball in the history of the game of college basketball. and when i say "we" i include our fans, and our coaching staff, and of course the team.
This. The final 4 minutes was pretty much Woolyball.
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'GOATS UP SHANE. :angry:
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the whole rough ridin' universe of k-state basketball imploded during that 4 minute stretch. at least it's only january.
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the whole rough ridin' universe of k-state basketball imploded during that 4 minute stretch. at least it's only january.
I think that's a good way to put it. Sandstorming glee over the prospect of taking down two top 10 undefeateds in a 4-day stretch turned to torturous viewing consisting of confusion and dismay, on a dime.
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turned to torturous viewing consisting of confusion and dismay, on a dime.
Like I said, Woolyball.
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turned to torturous viewing consisting of confusion and dismay, on a dime.
Like I said, Woolyball.
At least losing bothers Frank. Never seemed to bother Gentle Jim very much.
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turned to torturous viewing consisting of confusion and dismay, on a dime.
Like I said, Woolyball.
At least losing bothers Frank. Never seemed to bother Gentle Jim very much.
Jim just recognized that we needed to score the ball more when we lost.
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turned to torturous viewing consisting of confusion and dismay, on a dime.
Like I said, Woolyball.
At least losing bothers Frank. Never seemed to bother Gentle Jim very much.
Jim just recognized that we needed to score the ball more when we lost.
"the other team made a play and we didn't"
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nn- letting Pierre anal rape us until the 12:00 minute mark in the second half was not necessary. :curse:
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i'm talking sub 4 minute mark.
we probably played the worst, last 4 minutes of basketball in the history of the game of college basketball. and when i say "we" i include our fans, and our coaching staff, and of course the team.
This. The final 4 minutes was pretty much Woolyball.
I didn't want to go there, but the way we snatched the defeat from the jaws of victory was very Woolyish.
I just hope we don't become "snake bitten" this season.
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Peggy PO
The USA chant when the canadian from Baylor was shooting freethrows.
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Peggy PO
The USA chant when the canadian from Baylor was shooting freethrows.
:thumbs:
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DJamer Johnno
Tortuga, I want you to know that I appreciated this very much.
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I hate that we lost and how we lost. But the were some positives, the two biggest i saw were the continued growth of Irving and JO. I agree with Tortuga that the first six minutes were his career best. And was the best defender on Jackson by far.
Can't argue with the observation of all-around uninspired high-post play last night. But credit JO with his best performance yet in the post against really quality competition. He's showed the ability to hit mid-range jumpers before, but last night he was absolutely confident in the shot. No hesitation, no "should I be shooting this," just fire up and bang. And the fast spin move to the middle of the lane from the right had me gasping (too bad he missed the wide open 3 footer).
Add added praise to Rodney for his second half defense on Heslip. There was at least three times Heslip wanted to launch a 3, but thought didn't because of the closing McG's closing defense.
The other big positive from last night unfortunately led to our demise, our absolute destruction of the Baylor zone. It was so complete, I doubt we'll see much more zone this year.
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I'm surprised the fizbo bighead got no mentions.
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I'm surprised the fizbo bighead got no mentions.
It was at the mizzou game too
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I hate that we lost and how we lost. But the were some positives, the two biggest i saw were the continued growth of Irving and JO. I agree with Tortuga that the first six minutes were his career best. And was the best defender on Jackson by far.
Can't argue with the observation of all-around uninspired high-post play last night. But credit JO with his best performance yet in the post against really quality competition. He's showed the ability to hit mid-range jumpers before, but last night he was absolutely confident in the shot. No hesitation, no "should I be shooting this," just fire up and bang. And the fast spin move to the middle of the lane from the right had me gasping (too bad he missed the wide open 3 footer).
Add added praise to Rodney for his second half defense on Heslip. There was at least three times Heslip wanted to launch a 3, but thought didn't because of the closing McG's closing defense.
The other big positive from last night unfortunately led to our demise, our absolute destruction of the Baylor zone. It was so complete, I doubt we'll see much more zone this year.
Maybe Syracuse will be the 1 seed in our side of the bracket :fatty:
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Angelito's swag Kid is not afraid to try and put the team on his back. He showed some flashes of Pullen - Composure. Hopefully that will come. His three pointer to take the lead was a HUGE shot. His drive to the bucket should've been passed to Rod for a wide open corner 3 for the win. That is who you want taking that shot. He gets tunnel vision sometimes, but the raw materials are there for a monster. It is easier to see now than it was for me before.
are you rough ridin' kidding me? he's one step from the rim with no one in front of him down 2 and you think he should fling the ball to a guy in the corner?
you're right about being a monster though. gonna hang next to pullen.
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Frank We talked about this last week. In-bounds plays are not the ONLY thing, but they are A thing. When you have one in bound play to run to get a shot for the tie or the win, I'd like to see something better than an aspirational toss toward the rim. It was horrific. It was inexcusable. It was poorly drawn (a crude stick figure of a Bill Self play), clearly not practiced much, and poorly executed. Terrible all around. Now go read your effort rant to yourself and put in some work on new in-bounds plays that don't embarass the entire institution.
Why are you so sure that's what he wanted? First of all he didn't draw that up. There were no time outs left for either team before that play. I just watched the play and we've ran it before and I've never seen the lob thrown and looking at the play it didn't appear that Frank called for it from the bench. Here's the set up:
1-4 low with ar-t taking the ball out (Frank says Will was supposed to inbound the ball, not sure why he didn't yell at them to switch) Tay far left near the bench, will on the left block, JO on the right block, Rod right corner. The first motion on that play is for Will to set a pick to JO for a potential lob. If the lob isn't there option two is to pass the ball to Will in the right corner after he rolls off of the screen. Tay and Rod have already flared up top as safety valves and the last options. Everyone, KU included, runs this play. When Withey gets those dunks on the inbound it is off of this same play.
Now back to Will taking it out, if you watch before ar-t takes the ball out, Will tells him to do it, Angel questioned it but Will reaffirmed that he wanted Angel to throw it in. The primary reason that Will normally needs to take that ball out is because he is the best decision maker. The secondary reason is that after the ball goes in either to the rolling guard in the short corner or one of the safety valves on top the guard passing the ball in then goes on to fill the vacated spot in the far corner. The coach or a smart big has the option of picking for that guy and he can be open in the opposite corner for a skip pass or quickly swinging the ball around to him. One of our guards have either scored or got a look from that opposite corner from that play several times this season. Obviously with 3.whatever seconds left this final option was unavailable. So I am going to assume that Will told Angel to throw the ball in because he knew that the only chance he had to get the shot was from the short corner on option 2 instead of option 5 in the far corner. If they were set on throwing the lob Will would have taken it out because Angel would have set the better pick and Will would have delivered the better pass.
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yeah, everything is probably ok and we get a shot if we don't lob it to Acy.
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great breakdown, mir. i hope spradler refuse to inbound because he wanted the shot, and not because he was afraid to make the pass.
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great breakdown, mir. i hope spradler refuse to inbound because he wanted the shot, and not because he was afraid to make the pass.
I'd like to think it's because he wanted the shot. The exchange with Angel happened so quickly its hard to determine what his mindset was or if he even knew.
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great breakdown, mir. i hope spradler refuse to inbound because he wanted the shot, and not because he was afraid to make the pass.
I'd like to think it's because he wanted the shot. The exchange with Angel happened so quickly its hard to determine what his mindset was or if he even knew.
Yeah. Great observos on the last play.