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Title: 2870 days
Post by: kso_FAN on January 06, 2012, 10:13:54 AM
since Mizzou beat K-State in the OOD.

Tomorrow the streak continues.

Go Cats.

 :lynchmob:
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: AppleJack on January 06, 2012, 10:15:59 AM
 :surprised:
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 06, 2012, 10:31:56 AM
Anyone else think _FAN was a little lazy on his preview for the EMAW vs Missouri game? I don't know, maybe it's just me. Anyways, straight to the middle.  :bball: Go Cats.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on January 06, 2012, 10:32:34 AM
 :bball:

I hate Missouri a lot. I hope we destroy them and all their ugly players/fans.

Does mean I have a squawk living in my subconscious?
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kso_FAN on January 06, 2012, 10:33:58 AM
Anyone else think _FAN was a little lazy on his preview for the EMAW vs Missouri game? I don't know, maybe it's just me. Anyways, straight to the middle.  :bball: Go Cats.

Rebound, play a little defense, hit some shots. Most importantly turn this into a grinder/brawl. Win.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: mcmwcat on January 06, 2012, 10:54:47 AM
i want this one more than any of the big games the KSU Wildcats are involved this emaweek. 

is Pressey just going to go right buy Spradling on every possession?

can Samuels guard English without getting in foul trouble?

can we exploit our size advantage?  if not do we go w/ a small lineup using McGruder at the 4?

can i drink enough bloody marys in the morning to ease the pain of the hangover i'm going to have from pak'n tonight?

Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: stunted on January 06, 2012, 11:03:13 AM
Remember 111-56  :surprised:
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: catzacker on January 06, 2012, 11:35:13 AM
i want this one more than any of the big games the KSU Wildcats are involved this emaweek. 

is Pressey just going to go right buy Spradling on every possession?

can Samuels guard English without getting in foul trouble?

can we exploit our size advantage?  if not do we go w/ a small lineup using McGruder at the 4?


all very good questions.  The first two abolute frighten me.  especially the first one.  I think Tay gets that duty though.  At least I hope so.  He did a good job on LBSt's point.  Hopefully Nino has an awful week of practice.  I don't want frank getting any ideas about him guarding English.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: mcmwcat on January 06, 2012, 11:49:33 AM
i want this one more than any of the big games the KSU Wildcats are involved this emaweek. 

is Pressey just going to go right buy Spradling on every possession?

can Samuels guard English without getting in foul trouble?

can we exploit our size advantage?  if not do we go w/ a small lineup using McGruder at the 4?


all very good questions.  The first two abolute frighten me.  especially the first one.  I think Tay gets that duty though.  At least I hope so.  He did a good job on LBSt's point.  Hopefully Nino has an awful week of practice.  I don't want frank getting any ideas about him guarding English.

yes do not want Nino on the floor but there have only been 2 practices since Wednesday.   outside of Samuels Nino couldn't be the best defensive matchup could he?  i hope not.  Diaz might be able to run with English.  Henriquez might even be able to but i don't want to see it.  i bet we'll experiment with one of those lopsided matchups to see if the advantage is greater on the offensive / rebounding end.

so if Tay gets Pressey the matchups from the starters
Pressey - Irving
Dixon - Spradling
Denmon - McGruder
English - Samuels
Ratliffe - Gipson / (hoping Henriquez is starting here).
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: catzacker on January 06, 2012, 11:54:23 AM

so if Tay gets Pressey the matchups from the starters
Pressey - Irving
Dixon - Spradling
Denmon - McGruder
English - Samuels
Ratliffe - Gipson / (hoping Henriquez is starting here).

Looking at this matchup,  guys like Nino and Omari make for incredible recruiting disappointments.  If just one of those two could be something more than a placeholder for a future (yet similar) frank martin recruit, then it makes the match ups better for us.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2012, 11:56:04 AM
i want this one more than any of the big games the KSU Wildcats are involved this emaweek. 

is Pressey just going to go right buy Spradling on every possession?

can Samuels guard English without getting in foul trouble?

can we exploit our size advantage?  if not do we go w/ a small lineup using McGruder at the 4?


all very good questions.  The first two abolute frighten me.  especially the first one.  I think Tay gets that duty though.  At least I hope so.  He did a good job on LBSt's point.  Hopefully Nino has an awful week of practice.  I don't want frank getting any ideas about him guarding English.

Pretty difficult to pick up fouls while guarding a jump shooter.  Jamar picks up many of his fouls fighting on the blocks.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: EllToPay on January 06, 2012, 12:01:25 PM
i want this one more than any of the big games the KSU Wildcats are involved this emaweek. 

is Pressey just going to go right buy Spradling on every possession?

can Samuels guard English without getting in foul trouble?

can we exploit our size advantage?  if not do we go w/ a small lineup using McGruder at the 4?


all very good questions.  The first two abolute frighten me.  especially the first one.  I think Tay gets that duty though.  At least I hope so.  He did a good job on LBSt's point.  Hopefully Nino has an awful week of practice.  I don't want frank getting any ideas about him guarding English.

Pretty difficult to pick up fouls while guarding a jump shooter.  Jamar picks up many of his fouls fighting on the blocks.

yep. if jamar is in foul trouble tomorrow it's because he's being a complete dumbass. english isn't a dribble drive, spot up shoot player. no reason for jamar to foul.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: catzacker on January 06, 2012, 12:07:44 PM
i want this one more than any of the big games the KSU Wildcats are involved this emaweek. 

is Pressey just going to go right buy Spradling on every possession?

can Samuels guard English without getting in foul trouble?

can we exploit our size advantage?  if not do we go w/ a small lineup using McGruder at the 4?


all very good questions.  The first two abolute frighten me.  especially the first one.  I think Tay gets that duty though.  At least I hope so.  He did a good job on LBSt's point.  Hopefully Nino has an awful week of practice.  I don't want frank getting any ideas about him guarding English.

Pretty difficult to pick up fouls while guarding a jump shooter.  Jamar picks up many of his fouls fighting on the blocks.

true, however when has Jamar had to run around and guard a 3 (essentially)?  Espeically one that you can't give an inch to.  He's not going to play every minute.  I'm curious who gets the call from the bench. 
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kougar24 on January 06, 2012, 12:12:49 PM
i want this one more than any of the big games the KSU Wildcats are involved this emaweek. 

is Pressey just going to go right buy Spradling on every possession?

can Samuels guard English without getting in foul trouble?

can we exploit our size advantage?  if not do we go w/ a small lineup using McGruder at the 4?


all very good questions.  The first two abolute frighten me.  especially the first one.  I think Tay gets that duty though.  At least I hope so.  He did a good job on LBSt's point.  Hopefully Nino has an awful week of practice.  I don't want frank getting any ideas about him guarding English.

Pretty difficult to pick up fouls while guarding a jump shooter.  Jamar picks up many of his fouls fighting on the blocks.

yep. if jamar is in foul trouble tomorrow it's because he's being a complete dumbass. english isn't a dribble drive, spot up shoot player. no reason for jamar to foul.

Yeah, and it's not like Jamar ever shows the propensity to be a dumbass and foul someone 30 feet from the basket.

Oh wait...
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: ksu101 on January 06, 2012, 12:16:22 PM
I expect JO to have a big game tomorrow considering he is a foot and a half taller than any Missouri player. just sayin... then again, I can see that not happening because it's JO.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kougar24 on January 06, 2012, 12:25:20 PM
I expect JO to have a big game tomorrow considering he is a foot and a half taller than any Missouri player. just sayin... then again, I can see that not happening because it's JO.

The list of teams which didn't have a player within 5 inches of JO, and which he did jack squat against, is as long as his clown feet.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: mcmwcat on January 06, 2012, 12:27:15 PM

so if Tay gets Pressey the matchups from the starters
Pressey - Irving
Dixon - Spradling
Denmon - McGruder
English - Samuels
Ratliffe - Gipson / (hoping Henriquez is starting here).

Looking at this matchup,  guys like Nino and Omari make for incredible recruiting disappointments.  If just one of those two could be something more than a placeholder for a future (yet similar) frank martin recruit, then it makes the match ups better for us.

i don't follow.  how would they (or players that fit their mold) matchup better than what we have in that list.  or are you looking mainly at depth. like others have argued on here the 3 guys on the end of your bench aren't going to play much if at all on any team. 
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2012, 12:27:28 PM
i want this one more than any of the big games the KSU Wildcats are involved this emaweek. 

is Pressey just going to go right buy Spradling on every possession?

can Samuels guard English without getting in foul trouble?

can we exploit our size advantage?  if not do we go w/ a small lineup using McGruder at the 4?


all very good questions.  The first two abolute frighten me.  especially the first one.  I think Tay gets that duty though.  At least I hope so.  He did a good job on LBSt's point.  Hopefully Nino has an awful week of practice.  I don't want frank getting any ideas about him guarding English.

Pretty difficult to pick up fouls while guarding a jump shooter.  Jamar picks up many of his fouls fighting on the blocks.

yep. if jamar is in foul trouble tomorrow it's because he's being a complete dumbass. english isn't a dribble drive, spot up shoot player. no reason for jamar to foul.

Yeah, and it's not like Jamar ever shows the propensity to be a dumbass and foul someone 30 feet from the basket.

Oh wait...

Such a stupid rough ridin' talking point, I really hate it.  

BTW Jamar has committed a whole five more fouls than English on the season.  On the flip side of the coin Jamar has made five more FTs than English has even attempted.  Jamar's FTr is #1 in the conference.  Please continue this talking point though.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: ksu101 on January 06, 2012, 12:28:45 PM
I expect JO to have a big game tomorrow considering he is a foot and a half taller than any Missouri player. just sayin... then again, I can see that not happening because it's JO.

The list of teams which didn't have a player within 5 inches of JO, and which he did jack squat against, is as long as his clown feet.

it's a shame really, however there's always hope.   :crossfingers:   
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kougar24 on January 06, 2012, 12:33:22 PM
i want this one more than any of the big games the KSU Wildcats are involved this emaweek. 

is Pressey just going to go right buy Spradling on every possession?

can Samuels guard English without getting in foul trouble?

can we exploit our size advantage?  if not do we go w/ a small lineup using McGruder at the 4?


all very good questions.  The first two abolute frighten me.  especially the first one.  I think Tay gets that duty though.  At least I hope so.  He did a good job on LBSt's point.  Hopefully Nino has an awful week of practice.  I don't want frank getting any ideas about him guarding English.

Pretty difficult to pick up fouls while guarding a jump shooter.  Jamar picks up many of his fouls fighting on the blocks.

yep. if jamar is in foul trouble tomorrow it's because he's being a complete dumbass. english isn't a dribble drive, spot up shoot player. no reason for jamar to foul.

Yeah, and it's not like Jamar ever shows the propensity to be a dumbass and foul someone 30 feet from the basket.

Oh wait...

Such a stupid rough ridin' talking point, I really hate it. 

BTW Jamar has committed a whole five more fouls than English on the season.  On the flip side of the coin Jamar has made five more FTs than English has even attempted.  Jamar's FTr is #1 in the conference.  Please continue this talking point though.

a) What does the number of fouls English has committed have to do with it?

b) Jamar is doing much better at the above this year, but the propensity for him to do stupid crap when he gets frustrated is still there, don't kid yourself.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kougar24 on January 06, 2012, 12:36:49 PM
FWIW, Jamar was top 5 in the conference in fouls each of the last two years. Top 3 in fouls per game.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: SwiftCat on January 06, 2012, 12:39:29 PM
I just can't see us laying an egg at home. I think the cats come out strong, and come out with a win. 73-68
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2012, 12:47:18 PM
i want this one more than any of the big games the KSU Wildcats are involved this emaweek. 

is Pressey just going to go right buy Spradling on every possession?

can Samuels guard English without getting in foul trouble?

can we exploit our size advantage?  if not do we go w/ a small lineup using McGruder at the 4?


all very good questions.  The first two abolute frighten me.  especially the first one.  I think Tay gets that duty though.  At least I hope so.  He did a good job on LBSt's point.  Hopefully Nino has an awful week of practice.  I don't want frank getting any ideas about him guarding English.

Pretty difficult to pick up fouls while guarding a jump shooter.  Jamar picks up many of his fouls fighting on the blocks.

yep. if jamar is in foul trouble tomorrow it's because he's being a complete dumbass. english isn't a dribble drive, spot up shoot player. no reason for jamar to foul.

Yeah, and it's not like Jamar ever shows the propensity to be a dumbass and foul someone 30 feet from the basket.

Oh wait...

Such a stupid rough ridin' talking point, I really hate it. 

BTW Jamar has committed a whole five more fouls than English on the season.  On the flip side of the coin Jamar has made five more FTs than English has even attempted.  Jamar's FTr is #1 in the conference.  Please continue this talking point though.

a) What does the number of fouls English has committed have to do with it?

b) Jamar is doing much better at the above this year, but the propensity for him to do stupid crap when he gets frustrated is still there, don't kid yourself.

a) you and zacker are concerned about English drawing fouls on Jamar, but the evidence shows that Jamar is far better at drawing fouls than English, or anyone else in the conference, and common sense tells us that a jump shooter guarding a back to the basket guy is more apt to foul than a back to the basket player guarding a jump shooter

b) every player in the world does that.  All Frank Martin players who actually play foul.  He plays with a motor, attitude, and guards a wide range of styles and positions.  His foul issues have little to do with stupid.

Enjoy the Cotton Bowl tonight Kougs!
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: wetwillie on January 06, 2012, 12:50:01 PM
How can anyone even care about the Cotton Bowl with this game looming. FYBS
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: catzacker on January 06, 2012, 01:00:55 PM

i want this one more than any of the big games the KSU Wildcats are involved this emaweek. 

is Pressey just going to go right buy Spradling on every possession?

can Samuels guard English without getting in foul trouble?

can we exploit our size advantage?  if not do we go w/ a small lineup using McGruder at the 4?


all very good questions.  The first two abolute frighten me.  especially the first one.  I think Tay gets that duty though.  At least I hope so.  He did a good job on LBSt's point.  Hopefully Nino has an awful week of practice.  I don't want frank getting any ideas about him guarding English.

Pretty difficult to pick up fouls while guarding a jump shooter.  Jamar picks up many of his fouls fighting on the blocks.

yep. if jamar is in foul trouble tomorrow it's because he's being a complete dumbass. english isn't a dribble drive, spot up shoot player. no reason for jamar to foul.

Yeah, and it's not like Jamar ever shows the propensity to be a dumbass and foul someone 30 feet from the basket.

Oh wait...

Such a stupid rough ridin' talking point, I really hate it. 

BTW Jamar has committed a whole five more fouls than English on the season.  On the flip side of the coin Jamar has made five more FTs than English has even attempted.  Jamar's FTr is #1 in the conference.  Please continue this talking point though.

a) What does the number of fouls English has committed have to do with it?

b) Jamar is doing much better at the above this year, but the propensity for him to do stupid crap when he gets frustrated is still there, don't kid yourself.

a) you and zacker are concerned about English drawing fouls on Jamar, but the evidence shows that Jamar is far better at drawing fouls than English, or anyone else in the conference, and common sense tells us that a jump shooter guarding a back to the basket guy is more apt to foul than a back to the basket player guarding a jump shooter

I’m not concerned about Jamar fouling, I’m concerned with Jamar being able to guard him.  It isn’t like MU just has English stand on the wing and fire away three’s.  And then my other question was in regards to who else do we throw in there at the “4” to guard a “3” .  My guess is South-meth.  Finally, I was opining on the idea that this game highlights the waste of space that Nino and Omari are because they would help out with minutes in our 3 / 4 rotaiton.

Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kougar24 on January 06, 2012, 01:09:03 PM
My god, you're right 'zacker....this game has "Southmeh extended minutes" written all over it. :ohno:
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kso_FAN on January 06, 2012, 01:36:23 PM
I’m not concerned about Jamar fouling, I’m concerned with Jamar being able to guard him.  It isn’t like MU just has English stand on the wing and fire away three’s.  And then my other question was in regards to who else do we throw in there at the “4” to guard a “3” .  My guess is South-meth.  Finally, I was opining on the idea that this game highlights the waste of space that Nino and Omari are because they would help out with minutes in our 3 / 4 rotaiton.

That's the fun of a chessmatch of a game like this with weird match-ups. Each team has to deal with issues on how they are going to guard, and whoever does it better should win. I like that we're at home and usually we do a better job of forcing the issue and making the game a brawl in Bramlage; if that's the case we have a large advantage. I don't think Missouri wants this to be a physical game and if we can manage to make it go that way we'll be in good shape. If we let Missouri run and give up too much penetration then we'll be in trouble.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: catzacker on January 06, 2012, 01:46:30 PM
I’m not concerned about Jamar fouling, I’m concerned with Jamar being able to guard him.  It isn’t like MU just has English stand on the wing and fire away three’s.  And then my other question was in regards to who else do we throw in there at the “4” to guard a “3” .  My guess is South-meth.  Finally, I was opining on the idea that this game highlights the waste of space that Nino and Omari are because they would help out with minutes in our 3 / 4 rotaiton.

That's the fun of a chessmatch of a game like this with weird match-ups. Each team has to deal with issues on how they are going to guard, and whoever does it better should win. I like that we're at home and usually we do a better job of forcing the issue and making the game a brawl in Bramlage; if that's the case we have a large advantage. I don't think Missouri wants this to be a physical game and if we can manage to make it go that way we'll be in good shape. If we let Missouri run and give up too much penetration then we'll be in trouble.

If Jamar is really on English and vice/versa, then (a) jamar has to absolutely own him on the blocks and draw fouls and (b) our other "big" has to OReb his emaw off.  because I think when/if we get jamar the ball on the block, MU is going to double down with a wing or the other big.  We should get some good looks out of this if Jamar can pass.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2012, 02:00:02 PM
I’m not concerned about Jamar fouling, I’m concerned with Jamar being able to guard him.  It isn’t like MU just has English stand on the wing and fire away three’s.  And then my other question was in regards to who else do we throw in there at the “4” to guard a “3” .  My guess is South-meth.  Finally, I was opining on the idea that this game highlights the waste of space that Nino and Omari are because they would help out with minutes in our 3 / 4 rotaiton.

That's the fun of a chessmatch of a game like this with weird match-ups. Each team has to deal with issues on how they are going to guard, and whoever does it better should win. I like that we're at home and usually we do a better job of forcing the issue and making the game a brawl in Bramlage; if that's the case we have a large advantage. I don't think Missouri wants this to be a physical game and if we can manage to make it go that way we'll be in good shape. If we let Missouri run and give up too much penetration then we'll be in trouble.

If Jamar is really on English and vice/versa, then (a) jamar has to absolutely own him on the blocks and draw fouls and (b) our other "big" has to OReb his emaw off.  because I think when/if we get jamar the ball on the block, MU is going to double down with a wing or the other big.  We should get some good looks out of this if Jamar can pass.

Spot on.  I apologize for lumping you in with Kombo Kougar.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kso_FAN on January 06, 2012, 02:02:45 PM
I’m not concerned about Jamar fouling, I’m concerned with Jamar being able to guard him.  It isn’t like MU just has English stand on the wing and fire away three’s.  And then my other question was in regards to who else do we throw in there at the “4” to guard a “3” .  My guess is South-meth.  Finally, I was opining on the idea that this game highlights the waste of space that Nino and Omari are because they would help out with minutes in our 3 / 4 rotaiton.

That's the fun of a chessmatch of a game like this with weird match-ups. Each team has to deal with issues on how they are going to guard, and whoever does it better should win. I like that we're at home and usually we do a better job of forcing the issue and making the game a brawl in Bramlage; if that's the case we have a large advantage. I don't think Missouri wants this to be a physical game and if we can manage to make it go that way we'll be in good shape. If we let Missouri run and give up too much penetration then we'll be in trouble.

If Jamar is really on English and vice/versa, then (a) jamar has to absolutely own him on the blocks and draw fouls and (b) our other "big" has to OReb his emaw off.  because I think when/if we get jamar the ball on the block, MU is going to double down with a wing or the other big.  We should get some good looks out of this if Jamar can pass.

Spot on.  I apologize for lumping you in with Kombo Kougar.

Yep. In theory its a game where Gipson could give them some fits in stretches of well. Of course he would have to guard too, which could be problematic. Not sure what to do with JO, part of me thinks if he would just play with the intensity he did at times in Lawrence he might be able to give MU trouble, but who knows if he'll do that.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: sys on January 06, 2012, 09:07:34 PM
i wouldn't mind seeing more of williams at the 4.  he should be able to do everything gipson can there.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 07, 2012, 02:26:58 AM
If we don't win tomorrow, this may be the most depressing four days of my life.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kso_FAN on January 07, 2012, 08:34:08 AM
If we don't win tomorrow, this may be the most depressing four days of my life.

My thought is this: nothing as a K-State fan will ever be worse than those days following St Louis. Nothing.

And if we're to a point where losing a bowl game to a Top 10 team and losing basketball games to clearly the top teams of the league are disappointing it is a good thing because each program has significant expectations.
Title: Re: Re: Re: 2870 days
Post by: 8manpick on January 07, 2012, 11:15:10 AM
If we don't win tomorrow, this may be the most depressing four days of my life.

My thought is this: nothing as a K-State fan will ever be worse than those days following St Louis. Nothing.

And if we're to a point where losing a bowl game to a Top 10 team and losing basketball games to clearly the top teams of the league are disappointing it is a good thing because each program has significant expectations.

High expectations are awesome until you fall short and get heartbroken. If we don't win two of the next three, I'll be crushed.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: sys on January 07, 2012, 12:40:06 PM
losing games at home should always be a disappointment, winning a big 12 game on the road should always feel like christmas.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kso_FAN on January 07, 2012, 03:57:57 PM
They may never beat us again in the OOD. Ever. Feels good.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: sys on January 07, 2012, 04:06:14 PM
They may never beat us again in the OOD. Ever. Feels good.

they never will.  great point.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 07, 2012, 04:09:51 PM
we also lead the series by 2 now correct?

Also, it doesn't feel like we just beat a top 10 team. weird. I was way more pumped for these in years past. I blame the 12:30 start.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: catzacker on January 07, 2012, 04:15:34 PM
we also lead the series by 2 now correct?

Also, it doesn't feel like we just beat a top 10 team. weird. I was way more pumped for these in years past. I blame the 12:30 start.

I think it was because we absolutely f'd MU in the A from basically the tip.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: wabash909 on January 07, 2012, 04:18:44 PM
we also lead the series by 2 now correct?

Also, it doesn't feel like we just beat a top 10 team. weird. I was way more pumped for these in years past. I blame the 12:30 start.

They claim we only lead the series by one.  We claim it's two.


Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kso_FAN on January 07, 2012, 06:09:42 PM
I'm not going to lie, my EMAW really needed this win. It helped that we destroyed them.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: Pete on January 07, 2012, 06:15:31 PM
They may never beat us again in the OOD. Ever. Feels good.

they never will.  great point.

Yep.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: feederofcrow on January 07, 2012, 06:56:21 PM
 :cry:
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: SwiftCat on January 07, 2012, 10:57:19 PM
I'm not going to lie, my EMAW really needed this win. It helped that we destroyed them.

This game Salvaged my weekend.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kougar24 on January 07, 2012, 11:17:39 PM
I’m not concerned about Jamar fouling, I’m concerned with Jamar being able to guard him.  It isn’t like MU just has English stand on the wing and fire away three’s.  And then my other question was in regards to who else do we throw in there at the “4” to guard a “3” .  My guess is South-meth.  Finally, I was opining on the idea that this game highlights the waste of space that Nino and Omari are because they would help out with minutes in our 3 / 4 rotaiton.

That's the fun of a chessmatch of a game like this with weird match-ups. Each team has to deal with issues on how they are going to guard, and whoever does it better should win. I like that we're at home and usually we do a better job of forcing the issue and making the game a brawl in Bramlage; if that's the case we have a large advantage. I don't think Missouri wants this to be a physical game and if we can manage to make it go that way we'll be in good shape. If we let Missouri run and give up too much penetration then we'll be in trouble.

If Jamar is really on English and vice/versa, then (a) jamar has to absolutely own him on the blocks and draw fouls and (b) our other "big" has to OReb his emaw off.  because I think when/if we get jamar the ball on the block, MU is going to double down with a wing or the other big.  We should get some good looks out of this if Jamar can pass.

Spot on.  I apologize for lumping you in with Kombo Kougar.

He wishes, considering I owned you with Jamar's fouling stats from previous years. :nono:  He also gave me a patented Jamar double-foul for good measure.

I do feel silly for fearing Southmeh's involvement in this game though.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2012, 11:29:23 PM
I’m not concerned about Jamar fouling, I’m concerned with Jamar being able to guard him.  It isn’t like MU just has English stand on the wing and fire away three’s.  And then my other question was in regards to who else do we throw in there at the “4” to guard a “3” .  My guess is South-meth.  Finally, I was opining on the idea that this game highlights the waste of space that Nino and Omari are because they would help out with minutes in our 3 / 4 rotaiton.

That's the fun of a chessmatch of a game like this with weird match-ups. Each team has to deal with issues on how they are going to guard, and whoever does it better should win. I like that we're at home and usually we do a better job of forcing the issue and making the game a brawl in Bramlage; if that's the case we have a large advantage. I don't think Missouri wants this to be a physical game and if we can manage to make it go that way we'll be in good shape. If we let Missouri run and give up too much penetration then we'll be in trouble.

If Jamar is really on English and vice/versa, then (a) jamar has to absolutely own him on the blocks and draw fouls and (b) our other "big" has to OReb his emaw off.  because I think when/if we get jamar the ball on the block, MU is going to double down with a wing or the other big.  We should get some good looks out of this if Jamar can pass.

Spot on.  I apologize for lumping you in with Kombo Kougar.

He wishes, considering I owned you with Jamar's fouling stats from previous years. :nono:  He also gave me a patented Jamar double-foul for good measure.

I do feel silly for fearing Southmeh's involvement in this game though.

your stats from previous years are more relevant than this years stats and more relevant than the fact that he was guarding a guy who dribbled once every 4 games?  Also Jamar was such a dick on the double foul when he allowed himself to get thrown into the goal support.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kougar24 on January 07, 2012, 11:37:23 PM
I’m not concerned about Jamar fouling, I’m concerned with Jamar being able to guard him.  It isn’t like MU just has English stand on the wing and fire away three’s.  And then my other question was in regards to who else do we throw in there at the “4” to guard a “3” .  My guess is South-meth.  Finally, I was opining on the idea that this game highlights the waste of space that Nino and Omari are because they would help out with minutes in our 3 / 4 rotaiton.

That's the fun of a chessmatch of a game like this with weird match-ups. Each team has to deal with issues on how they are going to guard, and whoever does it better should win. I like that we're at home and usually we do a better job of forcing the issue and making the game a brawl in Bramlage; if that's the case we have a large advantage. I don't think Missouri wants this to be a physical game and if we can manage to make it go that way we'll be in good shape. If we let Missouri run and give up too much penetration then we'll be in trouble.

If Jamar is really on English and vice/versa, then (a) jamar has to absolutely own him on the blocks and draw fouls and (b) our other "big" has to OReb his emaw off.  because I think when/if we get jamar the ball on the block, MU is going to double down with a wing or the other big.  We should get some good looks out of this if Jamar can pass.

Spot on.  I apologize for lumping you in with Kombo Kougar.

He wishes, considering I owned you with Jamar's fouling stats from previous years. :nono:  He also gave me a patented Jamar double-foul for good measure.

I do feel silly for fearing Southmeh's involvement in this game though.

your stats from previous years are more relevant than this years stats and more relevant than the fact that he was guarding a guy who dribbled once every 4 games?  Also Jamar was such a dick on the double foul when he allowed himself to get thrown into the goal support.

Relevant enough to debunk your hatred of the "Jamar fouls" talking point.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2012, 11:44:51 PM
I’m not concerned about Jamar fouling, I’m concerned with Jamar being able to guard him.  It isn’t like MU just has English stand on the wing and fire away three’s.  And then my other question was in regards to who else do we throw in there at the “4” to guard a “3” .  My guess is South-meth.  Finally, I was opining on the idea that this game highlights the waste of space that Nino and Omari are because they would help out with minutes in our 3 / 4 rotaiton.

That's the fun of a chessmatch of a game like this with weird match-ups. Each team has to deal with issues on how they are going to guard, and whoever does it better should win. I like that we're at home and usually we do a better job of forcing the issue and making the game a brawl in Bramlage; if that's the case we have a large advantage. I don't think Missouri wants this to be a physical game and if we can manage to make it go that way we'll be in good shape. If we let Missouri run and give up too much penetration then we'll be in trouble.

If Jamar is really on English and vice/versa, then (a) jamar has to absolutely own him on the blocks and draw fouls and (b) our other "big" has to OReb his emaw off.  because I think when/if we get jamar the ball on the block, MU is going to double down with a wing or the other big.  We should get some good looks out of this if Jamar can pass.

Spot on.  I apologize for lumping you in with Kombo Kougar.

He wishes, considering I owned you with Jamar's fouling stats from previous years. :nono:  He also gave me a patented Jamar double-foul for good measure.

I do feel silly for fearing Southmeh's involvement in this game though.

your stats from previous years are more relevant than this years stats and more relevant than the fact that he was guarding a guy who dribbled once every 4 games?  Also Jamar was such a dick on the double foul when he allowed himself to get thrown into the goal support.

Relevant enough to debunk your hatred of the "Jamar fouls" talking point.

My hatred of the point was only relevant to this game.  The several times I mentioned English only being a jump shooter would have made that point crystal clear to anyone who watches more than 3 basketball games a year.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kougar24 on January 08, 2012, 12:22:58 AM
English isn't only a jumpshooter, and btw, Jamar fouled out today, MakeItCombo.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: Winters on January 08, 2012, 12:24:01 AM
English deserved better today.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kougar24 on January 08, 2012, 12:26:00 AM
I can't hate Kimmie. I think he secretly wishes he was EMAW.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kougar24 on January 08, 2012, 12:33:33 AM
But man, did Kimmie suck at the OOD in his career:

2012: 2-5, 1-4
2011: 1-6, 0-2
2010: 6-15, 1-4
2009: 2-6, 1-3

That's 34% 2FG, 23% 3FG. Ouch.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: Winters on January 08, 2012, 12:34:58 AM
But man, did Kimmie suck at the OOD in his career:

2012: 2-5, 1-4
2011: 1-6, 0-2
2010: 6-15, 1-4
2009: 2-6, 1-3

That's 34% 2FG, 23% 3FG. Ouch.
He never wanted to do harm to EMAW  :kstatriot:
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2012, 12:50:03 AM
English isn't only a jumpshooter

LOL, think hard about how many times he put the ball on the floor today, you know the only time he played today

 
Jamar fouled out today, MakeItCombo

There were 44 fouls called, 3 guys fouled out, 8 had three or more fouls.  It isn't my fault that your mind can't comprehend how external factors may or may not effect logical arguments.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: kougar24 on January 08, 2012, 12:59:10 AM
Affect.
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: the KHAN! on January 08, 2012, 10:07:41 AM
How many days now?
Title: Re: 2870 days
Post by: mcmwcat on January 09, 2012, 10:17:08 AM
i want this one more than any of the big games the KSU Wildcats are involved this emaweek. 

is Pressey just going to go right buy Spradling on every possession?

can Samuels guard English without getting in foul trouble?

can we exploit our size advantage?  if not do we go w/ a small lineup using McGruder at the 4?

can i drink enough bloody marys in the morning to ease the pain of the hangover i'm going to have from pak'n tonight?

Spradling defended well with a lot of help.  great team defense covered up any individual short comings.

Samuels dominated.  he had a couple effort fouls and got the short end of the stick when a lazy ref called the double foul.  English didn't really challenge him on the bounce.  i was scared Samuels would get called for a charge or 2.  English flopped that one time and it easily could have been a charge.  the refs weren't calling charges which was good for him.

we rotated in the short lineup frequently

bloody mary's were good and i didn't pak that hard Friday night so the question was moot.