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Title: fox
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2011, 06:33:53 PM
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Title: Re: fox
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2011, 06:36:36 PM
fair and balanced Y axis
Title: Re: fox
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 14, 2011, 06:38:03 PM
When was the last time we had a decent president? And please don't say Clinton, that pigfuker!
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 14, 2011, 06:52:27 PM
fair and balanced Y axis

If you're implying it should be more of a straight line, I agree.   :cheers:


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Title: Re: fox
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2011, 07:01:39 PM
i'm saying it should be an actual y axis. though their market (you) probably doesn't know what a y axis is or why this is hilarious. 
Title: Re: fox
Post by: CHONGS on December 14, 2011, 07:03:35 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 14, 2011, 07:15:20 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: 06wildcat on December 14, 2011, 07:38:00 PM
For the 'tards :johndoug:

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Title: Re: fox
Post by: jmlynch1 on December 14, 2011, 08:00:07 PM
Everyone knows the summer heat makes a %9.2 alot closer to a %10.0 rather than a %9.0
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 14, 2011, 08:25:32 PM
i'm saying it should be an actual y axis. though their market (you) probably doesn't know what a y axis is or why this is hilarious. 

Go ahead and plot it out and you will find that should be more of a straight line, which is what I was saying. Those that can read numbers will know the line is not accurate.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: jmlynch1 on December 14, 2011, 08:30:35 PM
i'm saying it should be an actual y axis. though their market (you) probably doesn't know what a y axis is or why this is hilarious. 

Go ahead and plot it out and you will find that should be more of a straight line, which is what I was saying. Those that can read numbers will know the line is not accurate.  :rolleyes:
aaaaaand we are back to SD's point about their market.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 14, 2011, 08:39:20 PM
i'm saying it should be an actual y axis. though their market (you) probably doesn't know what a y axis is or why this is hilarious. 

Go ahead and plot it out and you will find that should be more of a straight line, which is what I was saying. Those that can read numbers will know the line is not accurate.  :rolleyes:
aaaaaand we are back to SD's point about their market.

SD and the minions didn't understand my comment,  yet said I was too dumb to undersand the graph .  :flush:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: jmlynch1 on December 14, 2011, 08:42:33 PM
i'm saying it should be an actual y axis. though their market (you) probably doesn't know what a y axis is or why this is hilarious. 

Go ahead and plot it out and you will find that should be more of a straight line, which is what I was saying. Those that can read numbers will know the line is not accurate.  :rolleyes:
aaaaaand we are back to SD's point about their market.

SD and the minions didn't understand my comment,  yet said I was too dumb to undersand the graph .  :flush:
Your comment is irrelevant to the fact that Fox is distorting their data/information.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: chum1 on December 14, 2011, 08:52:18 PM
If you're going to be picky about it, though, the plot would not be a line perpindicular to the y axis.  For that, the values for y would be the same, such as 9.0, 9.0,  ... , 9.0.  But I don't see how this plot favors one side or the other any more than an accurate plot would.  Seems like fair and balanced sloppiness.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 14, 2011, 09:00:02 PM
i'm saying it should be an actual y axis. though their market (you) probably doesn't know what a y axis is or why this is hilarious. 

Go ahead and plot it out and you will find that should be more of a straight line, which is what I was saying. Those that can read numbers will know the line is not accurate.  :rolleyes:
aaaaaand we are back to SD's point about their market.

SD and the minions didn't understand my comment,  yet said I was too dumb to undersand the graph .  :flush:
Your comment is irrelevant to the fact that Fox is distorting their data/information.

It's hilarious you guys are worried about fox's accuracy plotting points when the real problem is the actual data.  The unemployment numbers are complete  :bs:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: jmlynch1 on December 14, 2011, 09:06:43 PM
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Title: Re: fox
Post by: jmlynch1 on December 14, 2011, 09:08:20 PM
Quote from: john "teach me how to" dougie
Why aren't you guys talking about my comment about hotdogs!!! :curse:
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Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 14, 2011, 09:31:23 PM
I wish I understood stuff better.

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Title: Re: fox
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2011, 08:20:34 AM
If you're going to be picky about it, though, the plot would not be a line perpindicular to the y axis.  For that, the values for y would be the same, such as 9.0, 9.0,  ... , 9.0.  But I don't see how this plot favors one side or the other any more than an accurate plot would.  Seems like fair and balanced sloppiness.

The real problem is the final point, 8.6%. This should be the lowest point on the graph, but it would make Obama look good if the graph had a downward trend, so they just put it on a point horizontal from the previous point, 9.0%.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 15, 2011, 08:36:38 AM
If you're going to be picky about it, though, the plot would not be a line perpindicular to the y axis.  For that, the values for y would be the same, such as 9.0, 9.0,  ... , 9.0.  But I don't see how this plot favors one side or the other any more than an accurate plot would.  Seems like fair and balanced sloppiness.

The real problem is the final point, 8.6%. This should be the lowest point on the graph, but it would make Obama look good if the graph had a downward trend, so they just put it on a point horizontal from the previous point, 9.0%.

Yeah, dropping to a new low of 8.6, as we head into the holidays, would make Obama look great! The graph is a funny mistake, but the real numbers are just sad.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2011, 08:39:31 AM
If you're going to be picky about it, though, the plot would not be a line perpindicular to the y axis.  For that, the values for y would be the same, such as 9.0, 9.0,  ... , 9.0.  But I don't see how this plot favors one side or the other any more than an accurate plot would.  Seems like fair and balanced sloppiness.

The real problem is the final point, 8.6%. This should be the lowest point on the graph, but it would make Obama look good if the graph had a downward trend, so they just put it on a point horizontal from the previous point, 9.0%.

Yeah, dropping to a new low of 8.6, as we head into the holidays, would make Obama look great! The graph is a funny mistake, but the real numbers are just sad.

Look at where 8.6 would fall on that Y-axis and notice how sharp that decline should be.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2011, 08:42:36 AM
If you're going to be picky about it, though, the plot would not be a line perpindicular to the y axis.  For that, the values for y would be the same, such as 9.0, 9.0,  ... , 9.0.  But I don't see how this plot favors one side or the other any more than an accurate plot would.  Seems like fair and balanced sloppiness.

The real problem is the final point, 8.6%. This should be the lowest point on the graph, but it would make Obama look good if the graph had a downward trend, so they just put it on a point horizontal from the previous point, 9.0%.

Yeah, dropping to a new low of 8.6, as we head into the holidays, would make Obama look great! The graph is a funny mistake, but the real numbers are just sad.

Look at where 8.6 would fall on that Y-axis and notice how sharp that decline should be.


:lol:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: LickNeckey on December 15, 2011, 12:13:03 PM
It has been said that the fact that Time wouldn't mentio the TEA party due to an agenda.

But this graph is simply a "funny mistake"  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Stupid Fitz on December 15, 2011, 12:25:15 PM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2011, 12:28:25 PM
It has been said that the fact that Time wouldn't mentio the TEA party due to an agenda.

But this graph is simply a "funny mistake"  :thumbsup:

No, what's funny is stating that 8.6 is a sharp decline.   :lol:

But, I suppose come January when it goes back up to 9.2, that won't be a sharp increase.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 15, 2011, 12:38:01 PM
It has been said that the fact that Time wouldn't mentio the TEA party due to an agenda.

But this graph is simply a "funny mistake"  :thumbsup:

 :facepalm: You really think this was intentional? "Yeah, let's deliberately distort a graph. Nobody will ever call us on it. It's not like there are any liberal outfits that monitor us 24 hours a day, looking for any slipups, are there?"
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2011, 12:38:26 PM
It has been said that the fact that Time wouldn't mentio the TEA party due to an agenda.

But this graph is simply a "funny mistake"  :thumbsup:

No, what's funny is stating that 8.6 is a sharp decline.   :lol:

But, I suppose come January when it goes back up to 9.2, that won't be a sharp increase.

At the scale of the graph that Fox News presented, it absolutely would be a sharp increase.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: chum1 on December 15, 2011, 12:45:31 PM
i guess i'm even more confused about why people on either side would think that the placement of the last point shows something significant than i am about why people on either side would think that there is a significant relationship between the president and unemployment rates.  if you're looking at trends, a single point is meaningless.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: 06wildcat on December 15, 2011, 12:59:40 PM
What's amazing is that some don't understand this graphic had to be manually manipulated to create this "mistake". Designers don't freehand graphs for this very reason.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: AppleJack on December 15, 2011, 01:08:58 PM
Obama bowled a 37  :lol:

That's all I got for the politics board  :clac:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: chum1 on December 15, 2011, 01:19:32 PM
What's amazing is that some don't understand this graphic had to be manually manipulated to create this "mistake". Designers don't freehand graphs for this very reason.

yeah, this is a first.  tv people always nail this stuff.  i mean, have you seen what the weatherman can do?
Title: Re: fox
Post by: LickNeckey on December 15, 2011, 01:47:13 PM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 

not obsessed.

don't watch it.

don't really care.

i disagree that there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, MSNBC obviously but most others seem pretty impartial

not sure what Fox has gotten "right" that has made people crazy?
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Cire on December 15, 2011, 01:57:55 PM
MSNBC doesn't tout itself as being "fair and balanced"? does it? 

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< doesn't know, doesn't watch.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2011, 02:56:26 PM
Here is the wonderful hotdog.  Please respond.   :shy:

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Title: Re: fox
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2011, 02:59:14 PM
I'm still not 100% sure john dougie understands the first graph.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2011, 03:05:32 PM
I'm still not 100% sure john dougie understands the first graph.

 :facepalm:

What I don't understand is why make a big deal about it. The unbiased Excel generated graph is not any less impressive than the erroneous Fox graph.  The change in unemployment is negligible compared to one year ago, as everyone is aware.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2011, 03:08:23 PM
I'm still not 100% sure john dougie understands the first graph.

 :facepalm:

What I don't understand is why make a big deal about it. The unbiased Excel generated graph is not any less impressive than the erroneous Fox graph.  The change in unemployment is negligible compared to one year ago, as everyone is aware.

confirmed
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 15, 2011, 03:10:18 PM
Here is the wonderful hotdog.  Please respond.   :shy:

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oh man. do one from 0 to 100 now and let's see what it looks like.  :excited:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
Here is the wonderful hotdog.  Please respond.   :shy:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhVtP3.png%5D&hash=10f984c8400d54f1b52dd442c4ce4dbad5ab26df)

oh man. do one from 0 to 100 now and let's see what it looks like.  :excited:

That really isn't necessary, rick daris, its plenty unimpressive at 12. But, If I were to make a graph of the actual US unemployment rate, it would need to go above 25.  :eek:

http://news.yahoo.com/actual-unemployment-rate-soars-above-25-percent-200400654.html (http://news.yahoo.com/actual-unemployment-rate-soars-above-25-percent-200400654.html)
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2011, 04:12:31 PM
Here is the wonderful hotdog.  Please respond.   :shy:

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oh man. do one from 0 to 100 now and let's see what it looks like.  :excited:

That really isn't necessary, rick daris, its plenty unimpressive at 12. But, If I were to make a graph of the actual US unemployment rate, it would need to go above 25.  :eek:

http://news.yahoo.com/actual-unemployment-rate-soars-above-25-percent-200400654.html (http://news.yahoo.com/actual-unemployment-rate-soars-above-25-percent-200400654.html)

You realize that the "actual" unemployment rate counts stay-at-home moms as unemployed, right?
Title: Re: Re: fox
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2011, 04:21:29 PM
john doug, I don't want to pile on but, woof
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2011, 04:43:08 PM
Here is the wonderful hotdog.  Please respond.   :shy:

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oh man. do one from 0 to 100 now and let's see what it looks like.  :excited:

That really isn't necessary, rick daris, its plenty unimpressive at 12. But, If I were to make a graph of the actual US unemployment rate, it would need to go above 25.  :eek:

http://news.yahoo.com/actual-unemployment-rate-soars-above-25-percent-200400654.html (http://news.yahoo.com/actual-unemployment-rate-soars-above-25-percent-200400654.html)

You realize that the "actual" unemployment rate counts stay-at-home moms as unemployed, right?

Yes, it is obvious from the article. The actual rate includes anyone able to work that is over 18 and under 65, and that percentage is over 25%. The problem with the government numbers are many, including that as people run out of unemployment benefits, they simply drop them from the work force like they no longer exist. Right now, for many people, their three years are coming to an end at a rate of 300,000 to 400,000 per month, which will improve the government unemployment rate numbers, but not the actual.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2011, 04:47:11 PM
Here is the wonderful hotdog.  Please respond.   :shy:

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oh man. do one from 0 to 100 now and let's see what it looks like.  :excited:

That really isn't necessary, rick daris, its plenty unimpressive at 12. But, If I were to make a graph of the actual US unemployment rate, it would need to go above 25.  :eek:

http://news.yahoo.com/actual-unemployment-rate-soars-above-25-percent-200400654.html (http://news.yahoo.com/actual-unemployment-rate-soars-above-25-percent-200400654.html)

You realize that the "actual" unemployment rate counts stay-at-home moms as unemployed, right?

Yes, it is obvious from the article. The actual rate includes anyone able to work that is over 18 and under 65, and that percentage is over 25%. The problem with the government numbers are many, including that as people run out of unemployment benefits, they simply drop them from the work force like they no longer exist. Right now, for many people, their three years are coming to an end at a rate of 300,000 to 400,000 per month, which will improve the government unemployment rate numbers, but not the actual.

Why do you want to count people who aren't looking for work? There is nothing negative about somebody deciding to stay at home with the kids instead of going out and pursuing a career. Some people do not need or want a job.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: 06wildcat on December 15, 2011, 05:20:12 PM
What's amazing is that some don't understand this graphic had to be manually manipulated to create this "mistake". Designers don't freehand graphs for this very reason.

yeah, this is a first.  tv people always nail this stuff.  i mean, have you seen what the weatherman can do?

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: 06wildcat on December 15, 2011, 05:29:29 PM
Yes, it is obvious from the article. The actual rate includes anyone able to work that is over 18 and under 65, and that percentage is over 25%. The problem with the government numbers are many, including that as people run out of unemployment benefits, they simply drop them from the work force like they no longer exist. Right now, for many people, their three years are coming to an end at a rate of 300,000 to 400,000 per month, which will improve the government unemployment rate numbers, but not the actual.

JFC you are dumb. Exhausting unemployment benefits doesn't mean you're not counted as unemployed.


Perhaps this will help:

Quote
Who is counted as unemployed?
Persons are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed (http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed)
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Stupid Fitz on December 15, 2011, 05:45:18 PM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 

not obsessed.

don't watch it.

don't really care.

i disagree that there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, MSNBC obviously but most others seem pretty impartial

not sure what Fox has gotten "right" that has made people crazy?

lol
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2011, 05:47:56 PM
Here is the wonderful hotdog.  Please respond.   :shy:

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oh man. do one from 0 to 100 now and let's see what it looks like.  :excited:

That really isn't necessary, rick daris, its plenty unimpressive at 12. But, If I were to make a graph of the actual US unemployment rate, it would need to go above 25.  :eek:

http://news.yahoo.com/actual-unemployment-rate-soars-above-25-percent-200400654.html (http://news.yahoo.com/actual-unemployment-rate-soars-above-25-percent-200400654.html)

You realize that the "actual" unemployment rate counts stay-at-home moms as unemployed, right?

Yes, it is obvious from the article. The actual rate includes anyone able to work that is over 18 and under 65, and that percentage is over 25%. The problem with the government numbers are many, including that as people run out of unemployment benefits, they simply drop them from the work force like they no longer exist. Right now, for many people, their three years are coming to an end at a rate of 300,000 to 400,000 per month, which will improve the government unemployment rate numbers, but not the actual.

Why do you want to count people who aren't looking for work? There is nothing negative about somebody deciding to stay at home with the kids instead of going out and pursuing a career. Some people do not need or want a job.

It would keep politicians from manipulating the true numbers.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2011, 05:53:42 PM
Yes, it is obvious from the article. The actual rate includes anyone able to work that is over 18 and under 65, and that percentage is over 25%. The problem with the government numbers are many, including that as people run out of unemployment benefits, they simply drop them from the work force like they no longer exist. Right now, for many people, their three years are coming to an end at a rate of 300,000 to 400,000 per month, which will improve the government unemployment rate numbers, but not the actual.

JFC you are dumb. Exhausting unemployment benefits doesn't mean you're not counted as unemployed.


Perhaps this will help:

Quote
Who is counted as unemployed?
Persons are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed (http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed)

 :facepalm:  If you aren't collecting benefits, they don't know you are looking for a job. Notice its "and" , not  "or".  This is an example how the government manipulates the numbers. "Golly gee, we haven't heard from Joe since his bennies ran out, so he must be working!"
Title: Re: fox
Post by: 06wildcat on December 15, 2011, 06:10:17 PM
Yes, it is obvious from the article. The actual rate includes anyone able to work that is over 18 and under 65, and that percentage is over 25%. The problem with the government numbers are many, including that as people run out of unemployment benefits, they simply drop them from the work force like they no longer exist. Right now, for many people, their three years are coming to an end at a rate of 300,000 to 400,000 per month, which will improve the government unemployment rate numbers, but not the actual.

JFC you are dumb. Exhausting unemployment benefits doesn't mean you're not counted as unemployed.


Perhaps this will help:

Quote
Who is counted as unemployed?
Persons are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed (http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed)

 :facepalm:  If you aren't collecting benefits, they don't know you are looking for a job. Notice its "and" , not  "or".  This is an example how the government manipulates the numbers. "Golly gee, we haven't heard from Joe since his bennies ran out, so he must be working!"


Are you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? At 8.6 percent with a workforce of approximately 140 million, there's 12 million people unemployed according to the BLS. There's only 6.7 million people collecting unemployment benefits right now. How the eff did the BLS find those other 5 million people. That or you believe that only 80 million people are in the workforce.

I mean any responsible pollster is going to know that you can only ask people receiving unemployment benefits to answer a survey. Same for political polling. They really only ask registered voters receiving unemployment benefits to participate in those.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2011, 06:35:30 PM
Yes, it is obvious from the article. The actual rate includes anyone able to work that is over 18 and under 65, and that percentage is over 25%. The problem with the government numbers are many, including that as people run out of unemployment benefits, they simply drop them from the work force like they no longer exist. Right now, for many people, their three years are coming to an end at a rate of 300,000 to 400,000 per month, which will improve the government unemployment rate numbers, but not the actual.

JFC you are dumb. Exhausting unemployment benefits doesn't mean you're not counted as unemployed.


Perhaps this will help:

Quote
Who is counted as unemployed?
Persons are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed (http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed)

 :facepalm:  If you aren't collecting benefits, they don't know you are looking for a job. Notice its "and" , not  "or".  This is an example how the government manipulates the numbers. "Golly gee, we haven't heard from Joe since his bennies ran out, so he must be working!"


Are you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? At 8.6 percent with a workforce of approximately 140 million, there's 12 million people unemployed according to the BLS. There's only 6.7 million people collecting unemployment benefits right now. How the eff did the BLS find those other 5 million people. That or you believe that only 80 million people are in the workforce.

I mean any responsible pollster is going to know that you can only ask people receiving unemployment benefits to answer a survey. Same for political polling. They really only ask registered voters receiving unemployment benefits to participate in those.

So you admit it is a shitty way to arrive at an accurate unemployment percentage.  :flush:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: 06wildcat on December 15, 2011, 06:44:21 PM
Yes, it is obvious from the article. The actual rate includes anyone able to work that is over 18 and under 65, and that percentage is over 25%. The problem with the government numbers are many, including that as people run out of unemployment benefits, they simply drop them from the work force like they no longer exist. Right now, for many people, their three years are coming to an end at a rate of 300,000 to 400,000 per month, which will improve the government unemployment rate numbers, but not the actual.

JFC you are dumb. Exhausting unemployment benefits doesn't mean you're not counted as unemployed.


Perhaps this will help:

Quote
Who is counted as unemployed?
Persons are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed (http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed)

 :facepalm:  If you aren't collecting benefits, they don't know you are looking for a job. Notice its "and" , not  "or".  This is an example how the government manipulates the numbers. "Golly gee, we haven't heard from Joe since his bennies ran out, so he must be working!"


Are you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? At 8.6 percent with a workforce of approximately 140 million, there's 12 million people unemployed according to the BLS. There's only 6.7 million people collecting unemployment benefits right now. How the eff did the BLS find those other 5 million people. That or you believe that only 80 million people are in the workforce.

I mean any responsible pollster is going to know that you can only ask people receiving unemployment benefits to answer a survey. Same for political polling. They really only ask registered voters receiving unemployment benefits to participate in those.

So you admit it is a shitty way to arrive at an accurate unemployment percentage.  :flush:

It's about as accurate as you can get in a country of 300 million-plus people. Even if it's wildly inaccurate, as you suggest, it helps to know how the number is actually calculated, which you don't. But congrats on knowing nothing about the subject you're talking about and verifying your diminished mental capacity. You're quite good at that.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2011, 06:50:13 PM
Yes, it is obvious from the article. The actual rate includes anyone able to work that is over 18 and under 65, and that percentage is over 25%. The problem with the government numbers are many, including that as people run out of unemployment benefits, they simply drop them from the work force like they no longer exist. Right now, for many people, their three years are coming to an end at a rate of 300,000 to 400,000 per month, which will improve the government unemployment rate numbers, but not the actual.

JFC you are dumb. Exhausting unemployment benefits doesn't mean you're not counted as unemployed.


Perhaps this will help:

Quote
Who is counted as unemployed?
Persons are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed (http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed)

 :facepalm:  If you aren't collecting benefits, they don't know you are looking for a job. Notice its "and" , not  "or".  This is an example how the government manipulates the numbers. "Golly gee, we haven't heard from Joe since his bennies ran out, so he must be working!"


Are you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? At 8.6 percent with a workforce of approximately 140 million, there's 12 million people unemployed according to the BLS. There's only 6.7 million people collecting unemployment benefits right now. How the eff did the BLS find those other 5 million people. That or you believe that only 80 million people are in the workforce.

I mean any responsible pollster is going to know that you can only ask people receiving unemployment benefits to answer a survey. Same for political polling. They really only ask registered voters receiving unemployment benefits to participate in those.

So you admit it is a shitty way to arrive at an accurate unemployment percentage.  :flush:

It's about as accurate as you can get in a country of 300 million-plus people. Even if it's wildly inaccurate, as you suggest, it helps to know how the number is actually calculated, which you don't. But congrats on knowing nothing about the subject you're talking about and verifying your diminished mental capacity. You're quite good at that.

Any time you use a convoluted formula filled with assumptions over  verifiable numbers, like total jobs and total number in the work force, you are going to find bias and political expediency.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: 06wildcat on December 15, 2011, 06:55:38 PM
Please provide the exact number of jobs in the U.S. right now.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Stupid Fitz on December 15, 2011, 07:10:10 PM
Please provide the exact number of jobs in the U.S. right now.

If my calculations are correct, (they usually are), it is about 74. 
Title: Re: fox
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2011, 07:44:31 PM
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Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2011, 08:17:48 PM
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 :lol:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: wetwillie on December 15, 2011, 08:20:51 PM
The help phone is lighting up at sugar dicks house, but no one is home.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 15, 2011, 08:37:28 PM
Please provide the exact number of jobs in the U.S. right now.

I think the IRS has that data for you.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: 06wildcat on December 15, 2011, 08:42:59 PM
Please provide the exact number of jobs in the U.S. right now.

I think the IRS has that data for you.


 :lol:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2011, 08:49:34 PM
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Title: Re: fox
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 15, 2011, 11:50:36 PM
In my part of the world an 8.6% unemployment rate would be a massive improvement.

Title: Re: fox
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 16, 2011, 08:05:17 AM
In my part of the world an 8.6% unemployment rate would be a massive improvement.



It's only 6.7% in Kansas. :lynchmob:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 16, 2011, 08:06:53 AM
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This is great.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: steve dave on December 16, 2011, 08:19:14 AM
In my part of the world an 8.6% unemployment rate would be a massive improvement.



It's only 6.7% in Kansas. :lynchmob:

4.2% in Nebraska  :gocho:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 16, 2011, 08:23:31 AM
In my part of the world an 8.6% unemployment rate would be a massive improvement.



It's only 6.7% in Kansas. :lynchmob:

4.2% in Nebraska  :gocho:

Oklahoma at 6.1%. Californians rejoice!
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 16, 2011, 08:31:06 AM
In my part of the world an 8.6% unemployment rate would be a massive improvement.



It's only 6.7% in Kansas. :lynchmob:

4.2% in Nebraska  :gocho:

Oklahoma at 6.1%. Californians rejoice!

Obama's model of success only 11.7%   :emawkid:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 16, 2011, 09:06:50 AM
In my part of the world an 8.6% unemployment rate would be a massive improvement.



It's only 6.7% in Kansas. :lynchmob:

4.2% in Nebraska  :gocho:

Oklahoma at 6.1%. Californians rejoice!

Obama's model of success only 11.7%   :emawkid:

Yes, there won't be any stupid Okies traveling to California looking for work, so there's that.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: LickNeckey on December 16, 2011, 09:28:02 AM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 

not obsessed.

don't watch it.

don't really care.

i disagree that there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, MSNBC obviously but most others seem pretty impartial

not sure what Fox has gotten "right" that has made people crazy?

lol

illuminating  :bang:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 17, 2011, 08:03:32 AM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 

This.  Scouring a 24 hour "news" channel in search of typographical errors is really quite pathetic.  They actually pay people to do this full time; Media Matters a leftist well funded "501(c)(3)".

These are the same people that get their news from pseudo-journalist and untalented ass clown Jon Stewart.  The irony is quite wonderful.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Kat Kid on December 17, 2011, 08:20:43 AM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 

This.  Scouring a 24 hour "news" channel in search of typographical errors is really quite pathetic.  They actually pay people to do this full time; Media Matters a leftist well funded "501(c)(3)".

These are the same people that get their news from pseudo-journalist and untalented ass clown Jon Stewart.  The irony is quite wonderful.

pfffft
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 17, 2011, 08:23:34 AM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 

This.  Scouring a 24 hour "news" channel in search of typographical errors is really quite pathetic.  They actually pay people to do this full time; Media Matters a leftist well funded "501(c)(3)".

These are the same people that get their news from pseudo-journalist and untalented ass clown Jon Stewart.  The irony is quite wonderful.

pfffft

tard outed
Title: Re: fox
Post by: LickNeckey on December 18, 2011, 04:34:46 PM
pffffft
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Bookcat on December 18, 2011, 05:50:49 PM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 

right about what? being bigots who are "praying" that poor people go away?
Title: Re: fox
Post by: hemmy on December 18, 2011, 07:05:48 PM
Who cares? I have a job.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Stupid Fitz on December 19, 2011, 06:41:14 AM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 

right about what? being bigots who are "praying" that poor people go away?

lol
Title: Re: fox
Post by: LickNeckey on December 19, 2011, 10:18:59 AM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 

right about what? being bigots who are "praying" that poor people go away?

lol
:flush: still waiting to hear what they are so "right" about that everyone else is missing.

links would help lol will not
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Stupid Fitz on December 19, 2011, 10:32:10 AM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 

right about what? being bigots who are "praying" that poor people go away?

lol
:flush: still waiting to hear what they are so "right" about that everyone else is missing.

links would help lol will not

This was fun
Title: Re: fox
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 19, 2011, 11:04:29 AM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 

right about what? being bigots who are "praying" that poor people go away?

lol
:flush: still waiting to hear what they are so "right" about that everyone else is missing.

links would help lol will not

 :facepalm:  :lol:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: LickNeckey on December 19, 2011, 11:05:43 AM
 :facepalm: :lol: :facepalm: :bang: :bang: :bang:

you are right THIS IS FUN  :love:
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 19, 2011, 11:07:07 AM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 

right about what? being bigots who are "praying" that poor people go away?

lol
:flush: still waiting to hear what they are so "right" about that everyone else is missing.

links would help lol will not

This was fun

I don't think they are ever going to get it.
Title: Re: fox
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 19, 2011, 09:58:41 PM
I find the left's Fox news obsession to be fascinating.  I mean, there are so many obvious left pointing news organizations, but Fox being right just makes them crazy.  Very odd. 

right about what? being bigots who are "praying" that poor people go away?

lol
:flush: still waiting to hear what they are so "right" about that everyone else is missing.

links would help lol will not

This was fun

I don't think they are ever going to get it.

You might be RIGHT ?!?!?  :thumbsup: