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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: one/64th on December 12, 2011, 01:32:38 PM
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So we have a giant beast (Big Gip) who could post up any 2 players from the other team that he wanted and yet we are running cutters off of him at the elbow. So you end up with Jamar and Gip up top with Spradling and Angel/Tay on the low block. WTF is this?!?! We would have won this game by 25 pts if we would have run the Northern Hill Junior High "Carolina" offense that I ran in 8th grade. Get the ball to the wing, feed the post and crash the boards on the back side.
Yeah yeah, it's all about getting better and getting ready for conference play. It's also about winning games. And God knows that our guards could certainly use some practice on post entry passes. That is all.
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oh man
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oh man
Yeah, this could be fun.
Also in the preseason Frank mentioned that we would be trying a mix of his old offense and Underwood's pinch post/triangle stuff. We've pretty much gone excluse Underwood.
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oh man
Yeah, this could be fun.
Also in the preseason Frank mentioned that we would be trying a mix of his old offense and Underwood's pinch post/triangle stuff. We've pretty much gone excluse Underwood.
Do you think Frank has realized that he knows nothing about how to score the basketball so he just runs whatever Undies wants? Although, I sat right behind the bench for this game and Unds suggested running something different multiple times to which Frank said :dubious:
Gipson is not Curtis Kelly. So why run the offense through him at the elbow?
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oh man
Yeah, this could be fun.
Also in the preseason Frank mentioned that we would be trying a mix of his old offense and Underwood's pinch post/triangle stuff. We've pretty much gone excluse Underwood.
Do you think Frank has realized that he knows nothing about how to score the basketball so he just runs whatever Undies wants? Although, I sat right behind the bench for this game and Unds suggested running something different multiple times to which Frank said :dubious:
Gipson is not Curtis Kelly. So why run the offense through him at the elbow?
He has good hands and seems like a decent passer?
He may not be able to shoot it from 15 (yet), but I don't see any reason why we can't run offense the way we are; its not like we aren't getting Gip plenty of touches with space available in the lane. Plenty of times on ball rotations he is able to get good offensive position where we want him to catch it.
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IMHO the biggest problem with our offense right now is we aren't hitting open 3s/jump shots, especially since we generate plenty of decent looks. It makes it really tough to keep teams from putting extra people in the lane when you are shooting 27% as a team from behind the arc. It really hurts when three of your four guards with the most attempts are shooting 24%, 21% and 14% (Irving/McGruds/Angel) from 3. Until that changes, our offense is going to continue to look ugly.
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oh man
Yeah, this could be fun.
Also in the preseason Frank mentioned that we would be trying a mix of his old offense and Underwood's pinch post/triangle stuff. We've pretty much gone excluse Underwood.
Do you think Frank has realized that he knows nothing about how to score the basketball so he just runs whatever Undies wants? Although, I sat right behind the bench for this game and Unds suggested running something different multiple times to which Frank said :dubious:
Gipson is not Curtis Kelly. So why run the offense through him at the elbow?
He has good hands and seems like a decent passer?
He may not be able to shoot it from 15 (yet), but I don't see any reason why we can't run offense the way we are; its not like we aren't getting Gip plenty of touches with space available in the lane. Plenty of times on ball rotations he is able to get good offensive position where we want him to catch it.
he's a very good passer. why not run the offense through him at the high post? especially if he is the most effective weapon on the court for this team.
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One major factor that tends to help out most teams on the offensive side of the floor is the recruitment, signing and subsequent playing of very good basketball players.
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oh man
Yeah, this could be fun.
Also in the preseason Frank mentioned that we would be trying a mix of his old offense and Underwood's pinch post/triangle stuff. We've pretty much gone excluse Underwood.
Do you think Frank has realized that he knows nothing about how to score the basketball so he just runs whatever Undies wants? Although, I sat right behind the bench for this game and Unds suggested running something different multiple times to which Frank said :dubious:
Gipson is not Curtis Kelly. So why run the offense through him at the elbow?
He has good hands and seems like a decent passer?
He may not be able to shoot it from 15 (yet), but I don't see any reason why we can't run offense the way we are; its not like we aren't getting Gip plenty of touches with space available in the lane. Plenty of times on ball rotations he is able to get good offensive position where we want him to catch it.
_FAN -- lbbiq question here -- Since they're running an offense similar to last year, any clue why haven't they had Sprads occasionally attempt to play the role of Pullen by bringing him off of screens to get him open looks at 3s? He's clearly not the offensive weapon that Pullen was, but he's nearly the only one even drawing rim when shooting 3s at this point.
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_FAN -- lbbiq question here -- Since they're running an offense similar to last year, any clue why haven't they had Sprads occasionally attempt to play the role of Pullen by bringing him off of screens to get him open looks at 3s? He's clearly not the offensive weapon that Pullen was, but he's nearly the only one even drawing rim when shooting 3s at this point.
I think right now Frank is mainly just running offense in continuity most of the game. Its only in late game situations where he runs sets to get shots, like the ones for McGruder and one for Sprads late against WV and a couple more for Sprads late against NFlor. As the rotation tightens and when we need shots we'll see more sets to generate for those guys, especially against better opponents.
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kstate fed gipson in the low post yesterday in a way seldom seen in modern college bball. are you complaining that they used more shot clock that you'd have preferred?
i thought kstate used a lot of martin's old o against wvu, but maybe i was confused from all of wvu's zone.
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Two things that drive me up a wall:
1. General poor lack of spacing offensively.
2. Not finishing chippies/missing or not taking wide open looks.
I was losing it when WVU went 1-3-1 on us and apparently none of our players could recognize the zone or have any idea what to do. (go to the middle of the zone- high post). And miraculously, once we got the ball to the high post or got inside the zone through driving we were able to get baskets, we finally got WVU out of the zone.
I don't think that Angel will continue to struggle this bad from 3. Spradling has been about what I expected. I did expect him to shoot a bit better so far this season, but I was very impressed by his assist numbers last game.
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We can't rely on guards making jumpshots all year, especially against someone like a Mizzou team that has no inside presence.
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As far as using Gipson at the high post.....he's a back to the basket kind of guy. He may turn into a face up guy but he's not right now. Jamar is a better face up guy but he never/rarely got the ball at the high post. And you're right, it certainly does not help that our guards can't make ANYTHING...including layups. Spacing is definitely and issue and so is shot making. But we'd put ourselves in a much better position if we ran an offense tailored to our strengths. And this one is not it...IMHO.
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1. General poor lack of spacing offensively.
does the fball team's poor spacing also drive you crazy? it's the same concept.
I was losing it when WVU went 1-3-1 on us and apparently none of our players could recognize the zone or have any idea what to do. (go to the middle of the zone- high post).
kstate's zone offense was fine. more than fine.
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Two things that drive me up a wall:
1. General poor lack of spacing offensively.
2. Not finishing chippies/missing or not taking wide open looks.
I was losing it when WVU went 1-3-1 on us and apparently none of our players could recognize the zone or have any idea what to do. (go to the middle of the zone- high post). And miraculously, once we got the ball to the high post or got inside the zone through driving we were able to get baskets, we finally got WVU out of the zone.
I don't think that Angel will continue to struggle this bad from 3. Spradling has been about what I expected. I did expect him to shoot a bit better so far this season, but I was very impressed by his assist numbers last game.
I'd be willing to bet that we didn't kick more than one possession after WVU went to that 1-3-1. I actually think WVU made a mistake by going to it when they did. Obviously Gipson torched them when they went to it, but it slowed K-State down in a time where IMO they could have been sped up & forced into mistakes.
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This team runs it set better than last years team. Players are still making bad reads on the pinch/post
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I would love a decent guard iso like UNF and WVU ran a train on us with.
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1. General poor lack of spacing offensively.
does the fball team's poor spacing also drive you crazy? it's the same concept.
I was losing it when WVU went 1-3-1 on us and apparently none of our players could recognize the zone or have any idea what to do. (go to the middle of the zone- high post).
kstate's zone offense was fine. more than fine.
this is just another thread for outing dumbshits, sys.
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1. General poor lack of spacing offensively.
does the fball team's poor spacing also drive you crazy? it's the same concept.
I was losing it when WVU went 1-3-1 on us and apparently none of our players could recognize the zone or have any idea what to do. (go to the middle of the zone- high post).
kstate's zone offense was fine. more than fine.
this is just another thread for outing dumbshits, sys.
Yeah, in general our offense has looked pretty good most of the time. Its amazing how much the concept of bad offense shows up when you simply don't hit shots, which is pretty much what we are doing. Almost every measurable number is in line with (or better than) what you would expect from a Frank offense except 3 point shooting right now.
Plus this has a chance to be perhaps Frank's best defensive team. Really if we can just start hitting shots at a reasonable clip (and its not outlandish to expect the shooting % to come back up to the norm, ~35%) this team will be fine.
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Do think this team will have problems with big guards again.
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this is just another thread for outing dumbshits, sys.
i don't think of cas as a dumbshit, is my problem.
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1. General poor lack of spacing offensively.
does the fball team's poor spacing also drive you crazy? it's the same concept.
I was losing it when WVU went 1-3-1 on us and apparently none of our players could recognize the zone or have any idea what to do. (go to the middle of the zone- high post).
kstate's zone offense was fine. more than fine.
this is just another thread for outing dumbshits, sys.
cas has always been awful x and o poster(no offense cas) but if you want to hear re-grumbled garbage that you here from analysts or some other dumb asses then boom he's your guy.
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this is just another thread for outing dumbshits, sys.
i don't think of cas as a dumbshit, is my problem.
Me too, sys. Me, too.
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One major factor that tends to help out most teams on the offensive side of the floor is the recruitment, signing and subsequent playing of very good basketball players.
Is it just me, or is dax pretty much mailing his LBIQ contributions in at this point? He used to put some effort into it.
And why anyone would "lose it" when we were shredding WVU's 1-3-1 is beyond me. That was the best our O has looked all year.
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One major factor that tends to help out most teams on the offensive side of the floor is the recruitment, signing and subsequent playing of very good basketball players.
Is it just me, or is dax pretty much mailing his LBIQ contributions in at this point? He used to put some effort into it.
And why anyone would "lose it" when we were shredding WVU's 1-3-1 is beyond me. That was the best our O has looked all year.
Only you Kougs . . . only you.
Stick to bad posts on phog and to ksf.
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One major factor that tends to help out most teams on the offensive side of the floor is the recruitment, signing and subsequent playing of very good basketball players.
Is it just me, or is dax pretty much mailing his LBIQ contributions in at this point? He used to put some effort into it.
And why anyone would "lose it" when we were shredding WVU's 1-3-1 is beyond me. That was the best our O has looked all year.
Yeah, I was scrolling down and pretty happy people were ignoring him, until...... Good job Kougs.
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Want to fix the offense? Fix the worst 3 point shooting in the Big 12 . . . by far.
This team in transition: :flush: :flush: :flush:
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_Fan basically says that our offense is fine except we can't hit shots. You're right, it would be fine if we were making shots. Well, when you're not hitting shots what should you do? When I played I just kept shooting. But if you want to win games, you try to get shots that you can/will make. The shots that this team is making are the one's coming from Gipson on the low block. Henceforth and therefore, he should not be getting the ball on the high block, turning to the face the basket and trying to hit Sprads/Tay/Angel on the low block or cutting to the basket. It's pretty simple really. Or we can keep running this crap and hope and wish that we make more 3 pointers and open 15-18 footers. :pray:
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1. General poor lack of spacing offensively.
does the fball team's poor spacing also drive you crazy? it's the same concept.
I was losing it when WVU went 1-3-1 on us and apparently none of our players could recognize the zone or have any idea what to do. (go to the middle of the zone- high post).
kstate's zone offense was fine. more than fine.
this is just another thread for outing dumbshits, sys.
cas has always been awful x and o poster(no offense cas) but if you want to hear re-grumbled garbage that you here from analysts or some other dumb asses then boom he's your guy.
:lol: (apologies to cas)
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_Fan basically says that our offense is fine except we can't hit shots. You're right, it would be fine if we were making shots. Well, when you're not hitting shots what should you do? When I played I just kept shooting. But if you want to win games, you try to get shots that you can/will make. The shots that this team is making are the one's coming from Gipson on the low block. Henceforth and therefore, he should not be getting the ball on the high block, turning to the face the basket and trying to hit Sprads/Tay/Angel on the low block or cutting to the basket. It's pretty simple really. Or we can keep running this crap and hope and wish that we make more 3 pointers and open 15-18 footers. :pray:
hey dumbass, Gipson already gets a ridiculously high number of touches and shots:
http://kstateupdate.com/kansas-state-basketball/stats (click on "Advanced Stats")
I know you won't understand, these stats, so I'll explain. Gipson takes 27% of the team's shots when he's on the court. That's the highest for a post since Beasley, (who had the luxury of creating his own shot). For comparison, Curtis Kelly took about 22% of the teams shot's last year (third highest Shot% for a FM post) and 19.7% the year befor that. So Gipson makes a few passes from the top of the key. BFD. It would be extremely difficult to get him more shots than he's already getting.
And you're actually right about one thing, even though you're being a sarcastic moron. We HAVE to keep taking open shots if we want Gipson to get touches. The shooting percentages WILL get better.
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_Fan basically says that our offense is fine except we can't hit shots. You're right, it would be fine if we were making shots. Well, when you're not hitting shots what should you do? When I played I just kept shooting. But if you want to win games, you try to get shots that you can/will make. The shots that this team is making are the one's coming from Gipson on the low block. Henceforth and therefore, he should not be getting the ball on the high block, turning to the face the basket and trying to hit Sprads/Tay/Angel on the low block or cutting to the basket. It's pretty simple really. Or we can keep running this crap and hope and wish that we make more 3 pointers and open 15-18 footers. :pray:
What I look for is fairly simple: 1) are we moving without the ball? 2) our we generating good shots, both inside and out? 3) Are there any numbers (shooting, TOs, ORs) that are completely out of wack?
To me this is similar to running/passing in football; you have to have balance in your offense. I'm not sure that this team (or any Frank Martin team) is capable of just running some halfcourt offense where we only try to pound it inside. If we had guards that were bigger dribble penetration threats, maybe, or if we had another back to the basket player like Gipson maybe. There is a reason we went to this offense over what Frank ran his first couple of years, which is probably more what you are talking about. We had Beasley, then we had a pair of penetrating/scoring guards with Denis/Pullen In those cases an offense that kept our bigs in the paint and tried to create more high-low opportunities worked great, but last year when we only had 1 penetrator with Pullen we struggled. Until we went to this offense which forced offensive movement and gave us better opportunities, both inside and out. And I'd say at this point we have to stick with the same plan, because we don't have the guards to run what you propose. JMHO.
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Also, Gipson's TO% is ridiculously good (12.1%). No one last season had a TO% under 15%. He won't stay that good for the entire season, but that number is crazy and means it's good to have him handling the ball as much as is reasonable (which we are close to). This includes passing to other players.
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I hate non-penetrating guards.
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_Fan basically says that our offense is fine except we can't hit shots. You're right, it would be fine if we were making shots. Well, when you're not hitting shots what should you do? When I played I just kept shooting. But if you want to win games, you try to get shots that you can/will make. The shots that this team is making are the one's coming from Gipson on the low block. Henceforth and therefore, he should not be getting the ball on the high block, turning to the face the basket and trying to hit Sprads/Tay/Angel on the low block or cutting to the basket. It's pretty simple really. Or we can keep running this crap and hope and wish that we make more 3 pointers and open 15-18 footers. :pray:
hey dumbass, Gipson already gets a ridiculously high number of touches and shots:
http://kstateupdate.com/kansas-state-basketball/stats (click on "Advanced Stats")
I know you won't understand, these stats, so I'll explain. Gipson takes 27% of the team's shots when he's on the court. That's the highest for a post since Beasley, (who had the luxury of creating his own shot). For comparison, Curtis Kelly took about 22% of the teams shot's last year (third highest Shot% for a FM post) and 19.7% the year befor that. So Gipson makes a few passes from the top of the key. BFD. It would be extremely difficult to get him more shots than he's already getting.
And you're actually right about one thing, even though you're being a sarcastic moron. We HAVE to keep taking open shots if we want Gipson to get touches. The shooting percentages WILL get better.
So angry...I like it. So what you're saying is that you are satisfied with our offense and how we run it? You just hope we make more shots from the outside? I don't know if you know this, so I'll explain it to you. The more touches and the more success Gipson has from the LOW BLOCK, the more open our guards become on the outside or even midrange. Thus allowing them to get higher percentage shots, THUS our guards shooting a higher percentage. BUT with Gipson on the high block, it doesn't open much up for our guards on the outside especially since 2 of the 3 are cutting to spots under the basket.
And wrong, it would not be EXTREMELY difficult to get him more shots. He was 10-18 in 37 minutes. A few of those shots were offensive boards or loose balls that didn't come as a result of the offense. But you keep throwing out your "advanced statistics" and hope for better shooting from our guards. dumbass.
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I hate non-penetrating guards.
This.
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_Fan basically says that our offense is fine except we can't hit shots. You're right, it would be fine if we were making shots. Well, when you're not hitting shots what should you do? When I played I just kept shooting. But if you want to win games, you try to get shots that you can/will make. The shots that this team is making are the one's coming from Gipson on the low block. Henceforth and therefore, he should not be getting the ball on the high block, turning to the face the basket and trying to hit Sprads/Tay/Angel on the low block or cutting to the basket. It's pretty simple really. Or we can keep running this crap and hope and wish that we make more 3 pointers and open 15-18 footers. :pray:
What I look for is fairly simple: 1) are we moving without the ball? 2) our we generating good shots, both inside and out? 3) Are there any numbers (shooting, TOs, ORs) that are completely out of wack?
To me this is similar to running/passing in football; you have to have balance in your offense. I'm not sure that this team (or any Frank Martin team) is capable of just running some halfcourt offense where we only try to pound it inside. If we had guards that were bigger dribble penetration threats, maybe, or if we had another back to the basket player like Gipson maybe. There is a reason we went to this offense over what Frank ran his first couple of years, which is probably more what you are talking about. We had Beasley, then we had a pair of penetrating/scoring guards with Denis/Pullen In those cases an offense that kept our bigs in the paint and tried to create more high-low opportunities worked great, but last year when we only had 1 penetrator with Pullen we struggled. Until we went to this offense which forced offensive movement and gave us better opportunities, both inside and out. And I'd say at this point we have to stick with the same plan, because we don't have the guards to run what you propose. JMHO.
This is a very fair assessment. I agree with 93% of it.
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If we were jacking 3s like crazy it would be another thing. 3PT shots are only 29.5% of our shot attempts on the season, lower than any Frank Martin coached team. If anything this team is trying to get the ball inside more than we have in the past. I really don't have a major problem with the offense. Perhaps we could run a few more sets to get shots in the paint for Gipson and others, but I really believe the biggest problem is not hitting (open) 3PT shots.
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Hey guys, I've got an idea: since Gipson is the only one who can score the basketball, let's pass it to him every time and let him shoot. Makes sense right?
Some rough ridin' morons on here, Spradling, McGruder, Angel, and even Martavious will shoot better for the rest of the season. All but Spradling (41% 3P) will improve significantly on their threes. We will start making a better percentage on layups. Gipson has been great, but only a dumbass thinks we will do markedly better for the rest of the year by getting him tons more touches. We are already getting lots of touches on the block, lots of open threes, and lots of layups that we need to do a better job of making. Our offense has done a great job of getting us open shots in places we can make them. If it continues to do this, we will be fine.
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_Fan basically says that our offense is fine except we can't hit shots. You're right, it would be fine if we were making shots. Well, when you're not hitting shots what should you do? When I played I just kept shooting. But if you want to win games, you try to get shots that you can/will make. The shots that this team is making are the one's coming from Gipson on the low block. Henceforth and therefore, he should not be getting the ball on the high block, turning to the face the basket and trying to hit Sprads/Tay/Angel on the low block or cutting to the basket. It's pretty simple really. Or we can keep running this crap and hope and wish that we make more 3 pointers and open 15-18 footers. :pray:
hey dumbass, Gipson already gets a ridiculously high number of touches and shots:
http://kstateupdate.com/kansas-state-basketball/stats (click on "Advanced Stats")
I know you won't understand, these stats, so I'll explain. Gipson takes 27% of the team's shots when he's on the court. That's the highest for a post since Beasley, (who had the luxury of creating his own shot). For comparison, Curtis Kelly took about 22% of the teams shot's last year (third highest Shot% for a FM post) and 19.7% the year befor that. So Gipson makes a few passes from the top of the key. BFD. It would be extremely difficult to get him more shots than he's already getting.
And you're actually right about one thing, even though you're being a sarcastic moron. We HAVE to keep taking open shots if we want Gipson to get touches. The shooting percentages WILL get better.
So angry...I like it. So what you're saying is that you are satisfied with our offense and how we run it? You just hope we make more shots from the outside? I don't know if you know this, so I'll explain it to you. The more touches and the more success Gipson has from the LOW BLOCK, the more open our guards become on the outside or even midrange. Thus allowing them to get higher percentage shots, THUS our guards shooting a higher percentage. BUT with Gipson on the high block, it doesn't open much up for our guards on the outside especially since 2 of the 3 are cutting to spots under the basket.
And wrong, it would not be EXTREMELY difficult to get him more shots. He was 10-18 in 37 minutes. A few of those shots were offensive boards or loose balls that didn't come as a result of the offense. But you keep throwing out your "advanced statistics" and hope for better shooting from our guards. dumbass.
Ignoring stats doesn't make you look very intelligent.
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dear 1/64th,
good thread prompting some good responses.
thanks,
mcmwcat.
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dear 1/64th,
good thread prompting some good responses.
thanks,
mcmwcat.
Sometimes it is fun to talk real basketball stuff and not just dax saying "we need better players" and rusty saying "we should make more 3 pointers." Although I agree with both. _Fan is a gift from the X's & O's baby Jesus tho. imho.
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Also, Gipson's TO% is ridiculously good (12.1%). No one last season had a TO% under 15%. He won't stay that good for the entire season, but that number is crazy and means it's good to have him handling the ball as much as is reasonable (which we are close to). This includes passing to other players.
actually it means (aside from confirming his ridiculous as a house hands) that 64th's assertion that gipson is standing at the elbow and tossing interior passes to cutting guards all game long is pure fantasy.
i honestly can't think of a single possession where he did that, it certainly isn't an important part of kstate's offense. what a joke.
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Also, Gipson's TO% is ridiculously good (12.1%). No one last season had a TO% under 15%. He won't stay that good for the entire season, but that number is crazy and means it's good to have him handling the ball as much as is reasonable (which we are close to). This includes passing to other players.
actually it means (aside from confirming his ridiculous as a house hands) that 64th's assertion that gipson is standing at the elbow and tossing interior passes to cutting guards all game long is pure fantasy.
i honestly can't think of a single possession where he did that, it certainly isn't an important part of kstate's offense. what a joke.
Not what I said sys. I said he stands at the elbow as guards cut to the baseline. I never said he passes it to them. Because he doesn't. Because they're never open. Because that offense is not built for this team. You would know this if you looked at the "unadvanced stats" and saw that Gipson had 0 assists. Instead the guards cut, Gipson pivots back and passes it back to the perimeter. Gipson's/the team's best scoring chances happened when Gipson got the ball on the low block. Getting Gipson "touches" doesn't matter. What matters is where he is getting those touches. Is it a place where he can score from? The elbow is not that place. imo.
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ok, yeah, so answer the question i asked at the start of the thread. what exactly is it you don't like about that - that they use so much clock? it isn't impacting the type of shot they end up getting, especially not impacting the number of touches gipson gets in the low post.
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Also, Gipson's TO% is ridiculously good (12.1%). No one last season had a TO% under 15%. He won't stay that good for the entire season, but that number is crazy and means it's good to have him handling the ball as much as is reasonable (which we are close to). This includes passing to other players.
actually it means (aside from confirming his ridiculous as a house hands) that 64th's assertion that gipson is standing at the elbow and tossing interior passes to cutting guards all game long is pure fantasy.
i honestly can't think of a single possession where he did that, it certainly isn't an important part of kstate's offense. what a joke.
good points chum1. (and I do agree).
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ok, yeah, so answer the question i asked at the start of the thread. what exactly is it you don't like about that - that they use so much clock? it isn't impacting the type of shot they end up getting, especially not impacting the number of touches gipson gets in the low post.
I'm fine with running clock (the football team has gotten me used to that). I think the earlier in the possession that you get into your offense the better. I think it does effect what kind of shot we get. Instead of having 30 seconds to get a good shot, you have 12-15 seconds once you've ran that part of the offense. (almost) nothing good comes from running that set so why waste 15 seconds running something that doesn't improve your shot.
And why then was Unds suggesting we run something else if this was working so well?
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maybe Gip is getting a ton of touches in the low post because he has to be guarded at the elbow. that could be making it easier for him to gain position on the block. :dunno:
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(almost) nothing good comes from running that set so why waste 15 seconds running something that doesn't improve your shot.
And why then was Unds suggesting we run something else if this was working so well?
yeah, i agree with you about wasting time doing nothing. just don't agree that it impacts the number of low post touches gipson gets.
this is the something else that underwood suggested, not what was working so well before he interfered.