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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: Kat Kid on December 11, 2011, 08:59:47 PM
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How kenpom sees our conference games going:
Wed Jan 4 6 Kansas L, 76-65 72 17% Away
Sat Jan 7 8 Missouri L, 75-72 72 40% Home
Tue Jan 10 19 Baylor W, 69-68 71 51% Home
Sat Jan 14 58 Oklahoma L, 71-69 70 44% Away
Wed Jan 18 34 Texas W, 70-68 69 60% Home
Sat Jan 21 48 Oklahoma St. L, 69-66 70 40% Away
Wed Jan 25 200 Texas Tech W, 74-65 71 78% Away
Sat Jan 28 58 Oklahoma W, 73-67 70 71% Home
Tue Jan 31 79 Iowa St. W, 74-73 71 51% Away
Sat Feb 4 53 Texas A&M W, 63-59 66 69% Home
Tue Feb 7 200 Texas Tech W, 78-62 71 92% Home
Sat Feb 11 34 Texas L, 72-67 69 33% Away
Mon Feb 13 6 Kansas L, 72-68 72 39% Home
Sat Feb 18 19 Baylor L, 72-65 71 24% Away
Tue Feb 21 8 Missouri L, 79-68 72 17% Away
Sat Feb 25 79 Iowa St. W, 77-69 71 77% Home
Tue Feb 28 53 Texas A&M L, 62-60 66 41% Away
Sat Mar 3 48 Oklahoma St. W, 70-65 70 67% Home
17-11 overall (9-9), with our best wins being: Baylor, Texas and @V-Tech is suburbs of bubble city with plenty of work to do in the Big 12 tournament.
Is this team getting to .500 in conference?
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This team? No.
This team post our BIOQ game? Possibly. I'd even go as far as to say "probably".
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How kenpom sees our conference games going:
Wed Jan 4 6 Kansas L, 76-65 72 17% Away
Sat Jan 7 8 Missouri L, 75-72 72 40% Home
Tue Jan 10 19 Baylor W, 69-68 71 51% Home
Sat Jan 14 58 Oklahoma L, 71-69 70 44% Away
Wed Jan 18 34 Texas W, 70-68 69 60% Home
Sat Jan 21 48 Oklahoma St. L, 69-66 70 40% Away
Wed Jan 25 200 Texas Tech W, 74-65 71 78% Away
Sat Jan 28 58 Oklahoma W, 73-67 70 71% Home
Tue Jan 31 79 Iowa St. W, 74-73 71 51% Away
Sat Feb 4 53 Texas A&M W, 63-59 66 69% Home
Tue Feb 7 200 Texas Tech W, 78-62 71 92% Home
Sat Feb 11 34 Texas L, 72-67 69 33% Away
Mon Feb 13 6 Kansas L, 72-68 72 39% Home
Sat Feb 18 19 Baylor L, 72-65 71 24% Away
Tue Feb 21 8 Missouri L, 79-68 72 17% Away
Sat Feb 25 79 Iowa St. W, 77-69 71 77% Home
Tue Feb 28 53 Texas A&M L, 62-60 66 41% Away
Sat Mar 3 48 Oklahoma St. W, 70-65 70 67% Home
17-11 overall (9-9), with our best wins being: Baylor, Texas and @V-Tech is suburbs of bubble city with plenty of work to do in the Big 12 tournament.
Is this team getting to .500 in conference?
Yeah. Pretty much what thought watching KSU v WVU. This is two bubble/ NCAA 7-10 seeds battling it out on a neutral court. They split 10 games 5-5 every time. KSU is most def. a .500 team inB12 give or take a win either way.
EDIT: Sorry, KSU at IBA isn't neutral. Still a middling B!@ team is exactly what we are. We aren't going to be great and we aren't going to suck either. Just enjoy the ride fellas. If the staff can add a few valuable pieces in the next year or two we should be pretty good.
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Also, posted that before I saw the results of the KSU NOFLO game. Doesn't change my opinion.
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How kenpom sees our conference games going:
Wed Jan 4 6 Kansas L, 76-65 72 17% Away
Sat Jan 7 8 Missouri L, 75-72 72 40% Home
Tue Jan 10 19 Baylor W, 69-68 71 51% Home
Sat Jan 14 58 Oklahoma L, 71-69 70 44% Away
Wed Jan 18 34 Texas W, 70-68 69 60% Home
Sat Jan 21 48 Oklahoma St. L, 69-66 70 40% Away
Wed Jan 25 200 Texas Tech W, 74-65 71 78% Away
Sat Jan 28 58 Oklahoma W, 73-67 70 71% Home
Tue Jan 31 79 Iowa St. W, 74-73 71 51% Away
Sat Feb 4 53 Texas A&M W, 63-59 66 69% Home
Tue Feb 7 200 Texas Tech W, 78-62 71 92% Home
Sat Feb 11 34 Texas L, 72-67 69 33% Away
Mon Feb 13 6 Kansas L, 72-68 72 39% Home
Sat Feb 18 19 Baylor L, 72-65 71 24% Away
Tue Feb 21 8 Missouri L, 79-68 72 17% Away
Sat Feb 25 79 Iowa St. W, 77-69 71 77% Home
Tue Feb 28 53 Texas A&M L, 62-60 66 41% Away
Sat Mar 3 48 Oklahoma St. W, 70-65 70 67% Home
17-11 overall (9-9), with our best wins being: Baylor, Texas and @V-Tech is suburbs of bubble city with plenty of work to do in the Big 12 tournament.
Is this team getting to .500 in conference?
Quite possibly.
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I think .500 is very realistic expectation, and very attainable.
nicname said it well.
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No. We'll be a top 4 team again. 10-6 or 9-7.
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No. We'll be a top 4 team again. 10-6 or 9-7.
2 ties :dunno:
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No. We'll be a top 4 team again. 10-6 or 9-7.
2 ties :dunno:
LOL.
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I'll die if he is right about all of those games being that close. No way I'll make it through the season.
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February :frown:
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February :frown:
Meh. The Cats will probably win 2 of those 4 games. And probably lose a couple they shouldn't.
I'm willing to be patient with this team. It is year 5, but with losing Pullen its clearly an evolving year for the program comparable to 08-09. This year's league is probably worse than that one as well (6 NCAA bids, 8 teams were .500 in the league or better).
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February :frown:
Meh. The Cats will probably win 2 of those 4 games. And probably lose a couple they shouldn't.
I'm willing to be patient with this team. It is year 5, but with losing Pullen its clearly an evolving year for the program comparable to 08-09. This year's league is probably worse than that one as well (6 NCAA bids, 8 teams were .500 in the league or better).
He's saying don't get pissed when we aren't on the bubble for the NCAA.
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February :frown:
Meh. The Cats will probably win 2 of those 4 games. And probably lose a couple they shouldn't.
I'm willing to be patient with this team. It is year 5, but with losing Pullen its clearly an evolving year for the program comparable to 08-09. This year's league is probably worse than that one as well (6 NCAA bids, 8 teams were .500 in the league or better).
He's saying don't get pissed when we aren't on the bubble for the NCAA.
I think we'll be on the bubble. I'd put Frank losing all 4 of those games at less than 5%.
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1 away win :frown:
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1 away win :frown:
I'd guess we'll win 3 conference road games. We handled VT and there are several teams that are not better (and probably worse) than the Hokies.
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This year is bubble city, the two years following is when we make our run, sprads, angel, gip, southwell, diaz, incoming big dudes, and emape leading the way. :cheese:
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I set the over/under at 10.5 wins. In the bubble discussion on Sunday, but makes the tournament with a 9-10 seed.
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1 away win :frown:
I'd guess we'll win 3 conference road games. We handled VT and there are several teams that are not better (and probably worse) than the Hokies.
OU, Tech for sure. OSU looks pretty bad, but G-Iba is still more of a factor than whatever VaTech had (5K, maybe?). ISU is still an enigma to me. They should be better than this, right?
How is A&M looking so far?
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How is A&M looking so far?
63.1 possessions per game. Not quite Wisconsin numbers, but they are definitely trying for the slowest 40 minutes in Big 12 basketball. Of course they just got Middleton back, so that could change things.
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I can see .500 based almost exclusively on the fact that overall, the Big 12 is a slightly above average major conference at best.
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I am hoping that going to 18 conf games will help when on the bubble. I mean, a 11-7 team is not really any better than a 10-6 team in the past but it seems like 11-7 Big 10 and Pac 10 teams always made the tourney
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
I think only KU and MU are close to proven commodities. Baylor has undeniable talent but UT is way down and A&M is going to really miss Turgeon.
All we need is Rodney to play like one the top 15 players in this league (which I believe he truly is) and we will could split with everybody on this list but UT (who we sweep due to CTR)
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
LOTS of guesses
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
LOTS of guesses
KU, MU, UT, BAYLOR have more talent. agreed? and A&M will have the best player on the court when they play us? agreed?
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
LOTS of guesses
KU, MU, UT, BAYLOR have more talent. agreed? and A&M will have the best player on the court when they play us? agreed?
I agree with ALL of that. It does not mean those teams are better, or all will finish above us in the standings, or the Big 12 will get fewer than 6 teams in the tournament.
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If Tech & OU are really bad (likely) and KU & MU are not great (likely), it will be hard to not get 5 in and 6 is not out of the question. I mean, the big 10 has been doing it for years.
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ou isn't really bad. at worst they are like isu last year, probably they are better. osu has been worse than ou so far.
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A&M isn't that good.
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I fear lots of close games, and an inability to close them out. :ohno:
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Dont forget about our crap fan base providing a lackluster OOD advantage.
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eff IT, WE'RE WINNING THE WHOLE rough ridin' THING YOU MOTHERFUCKERS :curse: :chainsaw: :angry: :shakesfist:
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If Tech & OU are really bad (likely) and KU & MU are not great (likely), it will be hard to not get 5 in and 6 is not out of the question. I mean, the big 10 has been doing it for years.
The big 10 had 11 teams for those years...
However, I don't see why the Big 12 should get fewer teams into the tournament if the remaining teams are as good as they were. We lost two teams, but neither of them were tournament teams in recent history (unless CU had one I'm forgetting). We shouldn't be penalized much for having a worse record against better teams.
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The bubble is like really really fun. Best case scenario imo. :ksu:
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I fear lots of close games, and an inability to close them out. :ohno:
I fear this as well.
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I fear lots of close games, and an inability to close them out. :ohno:
I fear this as well.
Toughness >>>> Skill*
That's what we're banking on :crossfingers:
*At least when the skill deficit is not too large to even begin to overcome
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I predict more close games this year, but the record in those close games will be very close to the record in close games over the last five years.
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
Gottlieb said today he would rank Big 12 BU & MU 1 & 2, KSU/KU tied for 3. :ksu: :emawkid:
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
UT isn't all that great either, imo.
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Sat Feb 11 34 Texas L, 72-67 69 33% Away
Mon Feb 13 6 Kansas L, 72-68 72 39% Home
Sat Feb 18 19 Baylor L, 72-65 71 24% Away
Tue Feb 21 8 Missouri L, 79-68 72 17% Away
Gosh.
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
Gottlieb said today he would rank Big 12 BU & MU 1 & 2, KSU/KU tied for 3. :ksu: :emawkid:
moving into the teamgottlieb camp
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Sat Feb 11 34 Texas L, 72-67 69 33% Away
Mon Feb 13 6 Kansas L, 72-68 72 39% Home
Sat Feb 18 19 Baylor L, 72-65 71 24% Away
Tue Feb 21 8 Missouri L, 79-68 72 17% Away
Gosh.
I can't trust any system that thinks we'll lose the CTR
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
Gottlieb said today he would rank Big 12 BU & MU 1 & 2, KSU/KU tied for 3. :ksu: :emawkid:
Those are our first 3 Big 12 games. Could be rough.
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I was discussing this with Gotlieb about a month ago on Twitter. I told him that this was potentially FM's best team. He told me that he will see in hawaii, best Frank team--okie dokie. I took that as he agrees wholeheartedly and sees a FF in our near future. I don't care what you think.
:chainsaw:
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I was discussing this with Gotlieb about a month ago on Twitter. I told him that this was potentially FM's best team. He told me that he will see in hawaii, best Frank team--okie dokie. I took that as he agrees wholeheartedly and sees a FF in our near future. I don't care what you think.
:chainsaw:
lol, this is not frank's best team. good grief.
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I was discussing this with Gotlieb about a month ago on Twitter. I told him that this was potentially FM's best team. He told me that he will see in hawaii, best Frank team--okie dokie. I took that as he agrees wholeheartedly and sees a FF in our near future. I don't care what you think.
:chainsaw:
lol, this is not frank's best team. good grief.
Well then I guess you know more than Gottlieb steve_fitz. What a surprise, steve_fitz thinks he knows more than a national college basketball expert. Color me freaking dumbfounded.
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
yes. however what team(s) are we going to sweep to make up for losing home games against BU and/or KU and/or MU, possibly and/or UT? Maybe ISU and TT. Maybe.
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
yes. however what team(s) are we going to sweep to make up for losing home games against BU and/or KU and/or MU, possibly and/or UT? Maybe ISU and TT. Maybe.
You are a rough ridin' curmudgeon. Go snort some ecstasy.
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
yes. however what team(s) are we going to sweep to make up for losing home games against BU and/or KU and/or MU, possibly and/or UT? Maybe ISU and TT. Maybe.
You are a rough ridin' curmudgeon. Go snort some ecstasy.
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
yes. however what team(s) are we going to sweep to make up for losing home games against BU and/or KU and/or MU, possibly and/or UT? Maybe ISU and TT. Maybe.
You are a rough ridin' curmudgeon. Go snort some ecstasy.
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OSU looks pretty crappy so far. :dunno:
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OSU looks really crappy.
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
yes. however what team(s) are we going to sweep to make up for losing home games against BU and/or KU and/or MU, possibly and/or UT? Maybe ISU and TT. Maybe.
And Maybe OSU and OU. Sheesh.
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
yes. however what team(s) are we going to sweep to make up for losing home games against BU and/or KU and/or MU, possibly and/or UT? Maybe ISU and TT. Maybe.
We might lose 1 or 2 home games, I don't see us losing 3 or more.
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OSU is trash this year. So we will prob lose to them at home after some game that made us feel all extra awesome and stuff.
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I just want someone to knock georgy porgy the eff out. Can that be done?
I've often debated whether I would like him or not if he were on our team, I hope not
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
yes. however what team(s) are we going to sweep to make up for losing home games against BU and/or KU and/or MU, possibly and/or UT? Maybe ISU and TT. Maybe.
And Maybe OSU and OU. Sheesh.
those would be the other canidates, but we haven't beaten OSU in stillwater for like 2 decades and OU isn't that bad at all with Lonnie.
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
yes. however what team(s) are we going to sweep to make up for losing home games against BU and/or KU and/or MU, possibly and/or UT? Maybe ISU and TT. Maybe.
And Maybe OSU and OU. Sheesh.
those would be the other canidates, but we haven't beaten OSU in stillwater for like 2 decades and OU isn't that bad at all with Lonnie.
OSU hasn't been this shitty for like two decades. But I'm sure the performance of Dana, Tom, and Jim in Stillwater will be a big hurdle to overcome. So great point.
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
yes. however what team(s) are we going to sweep to make up for losing home games against BU and/or KU and/or MU, possibly and/or UT? Maybe ISU and TT. Maybe.
And Maybe OSU and OU. Sheesh.
those would be the other canidates, but we haven't beaten OSU in stillwater for like 2 decades and OU isn't that bad at all with Lonnie.
OSU hasn't been this shitty for like two decades. But I'm sure the performance of Dana, Tom, and Jim in Stillwater will be a big hurdle to overcome. So great point.
...and frank?
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KU, MU, UT, A&M and Baylor are better than us. The Big 12 is not getting 60% of its teams into the tourney. NIT #3 seed. 8-10 in conf.
can we remove aTm from the "clearly better than KSU category?"
yes. however what team(s) are we going to sweep to make up for losing home games against BU and/or KU and/or MU, possibly and/or UT? Maybe ISU and TT. Maybe.
And Maybe OSU and OU. Sheesh.
those would be the other canidates, but we haven't beaten OSU in stillwater for like 2 decades and OU isn't that bad at all with Lonnie.
OSU hasn't been this shitty for like two decades. But I'm sure the performance of Dana, Tom, and Jim in Stillwater will be a big hurdle to overcome. So great point.
...and frank?
Never mind. Write down @OSU as a loss. In pen.
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Catzacker, do you (and dax) want to Fire Frank? I've followed the talking points, but I'm not sure if that's your end game or what.
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Catzacker, do you (and dax) want to Fire Frank? I've followed the talking points, but I'm not sure if that's your end game or what.
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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Catzacker, do you (and dax) want to Fire Frank? I've followed the talking points, but I'm not sure if that's your end game or what.
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
have you seen the dark knight rises trailer(s)? :love:
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My favorite thing about the team so far this year is that the team is playing really well and someone is shooting free throws and I get a shot of the bench. I then realize we are doing well with guys like Rodney, Gip, Jamar, Will, etc. on the bench. This make me very optimistic about this season. Will we be world beaters? I doubt it. Sweet 16 team by march. I can see it.
10-8/11-7.
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My favorite thing about the team so far this year is that the team is playing really well and someone is shooting free throws and I get a shot of the bench. I then realize we are doing well with guys like Rodney, Gip, Jamar, Will, etc. on the bench. This make me very optimistic about this season. Will we be world beaters? I doubt it. Sweet 16 team by march. I can see it.
10-8/11-7.
This is one of our deepest teams i can remember ever. We're a stud scorer away from a final four.
I think we'll surprise people. 15-3 or 14-4.
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Remember when Beasley left and people said we would be a better "team"? I'm still not sure how they were defining that, but maybe that's how they're using it here?
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Remember when Beasley left and people said we would be a better "team"?
No, I don't, actually.
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10-8/11-7.
Fully on board with this. 11-7 this year would be amazing and looking more and more doable.
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Remember when Beasley left and people said we would be a better "team"? I'm still not sure how they were defining that, but maybe that's how they're using it here?
I do, they were wrong though. Not a bad team, but def. not a better one.
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10-8/11-7.
I think 11-7 is pretty realistic. Probably 7-2 at home and 4-5 on the road.
Fully on board with this. 11-7 this year would be amazing and looking more and more doable.
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Remember when Beasley left and people said we would be a better "team"?
No, I don't, actually.
Something about better ball movement/maximizing all available talent rather than just one player. Also, to clarify, I'm pretty sure "people" was primarily gpc et al. The "playing basketball the 'right way'" crowd.
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Round robin play is an absolute delight, so blessed. 10-8 sounds just about right.
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My favorite thing about the team so far this year is that the team is playing really well and someone is shooting free throws and I get a shot of the bench. I then realize we are doing well with guys like Rodney, Gip, Jamar, Will, etc. on the bench. This make me very optimistic about this season. Will we be world beaters? I doubt it. Sweet 16 team by march. I can see it.
10-8/11-7.
This is one of our deepest teams i can remember ever. We're a stud scorer away from a final four.
I think we'll surprise people. 15-3 or 14-4.
We can score at will with are ball screen offense with #teamangel... not concerned with a go to guy
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We're going to win the conference. It's embarrassing that a thread this Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) exists on this board.
Our only competition is Missouri and Baylor. Missouri doesn't have any forwards and Baylor still doesn't play defense. Both teams are dreadful on the road. After these three teams, there's a huge drop off in competition not worth discussing.
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1 away win :frown:
I'd guess we'll win 3 conference road games. We handled VT and there are several teams that are not better (and probably worse) than the Hokies.
OU, Tech for sure. OSU looks pretty bad, but G-Iba is still more of a factor than whatever VaTech had (5K, maybe?). ISU is still an enigma to me. They should be better than this, right?
How is A&M looking so far?
:frown: