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Peggy Po's
Jamar pulled up his big boy pants. A dominant performance. Turned the game, brought energy, brought intensity, dominated the paint. 17 points, 14 boards. More importantly? 0 turnovers. Most importantly? 2 fouls. It isn't going to be this good every game, but if he can string together some double doubles then this team goes to another level. We have the bodies to own the paint against almost any team in the country on both ends of the court. This is of course not a given. Jamar has never shown consistency, but it is his team at this point. Spradling is not going to bring the energy, McGruder is a freaking disaster right now and there are exactly zero other candidates to be team leaders. "I'm just trying to put the team on my back. I'm trying to prove to everybody that I can be a leader." Frank's Franking needs to pay off. Jamar. We need you.
Gipson is averaging 12 and 7. Another solid game. The three headed monster in the paint is an exciting mix of skinny, fat and just right. At 22 minutes he looked gassed several times, but this is Peggy Po's! HE HAS FOUR TURNOVERS ALL YEAR! I am so in love with him, he is going to humiliate bigs all year with his finishing and his size. I hope Underwood tells him to toughen up everyday. He still needs to get in the paint and not settle for the baby hook-fade, especially to his left.
JO is a defensive monster and much better on offense than moron combos and tucks think. 9 points, 4 rebounds, 5 blocks. He still needs to get more assertive on the boards and on offense. While most of his turnovers are the adorable two-left feet type, some of the time it is because he lacks confidence. He got a traveling call because he was afraid of turning the ball over once he started a dribble drive and tried to stop and pass. Instead, he should've finished the drive and put a shot up on the rim. His demeanor on the offensive end is completely different from defense. He did dunk on bitches with a nice oop, and also dutifully patrolled the no-fly zone, but Jamar and Shane need to give him some lessons in confidence. Would make a nice MTV True Life knock off.
Sprads is Sprads is Sprads is.... 38 minutes. 9 points (2-4 from 3), 3 boards, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 ridiculous behind the back diving junkyard save, 0 turnovers. It was not a particularly good game for him. He struggled a little against the physicality and dribble drive of Tech's guards. But he did not melt down. Needs to be said and his composure is an enormously important characteristic of this team. It may well be the difference between bubble and bid.
Shane Southwell is Ike Turner and I am Tina. I want to hate him, but he does just enough to keep me coming back. I think I know how this story ends, but right now Shane has pimp slapped himself in to Peggy Po's. Every single time down the floor I flinch as he nearly turns the ball over. His had two straight possessions where he scored, which was entertaining. A key 3 pointer, some choice finishing a little D, some completely inexplicable passing. I am guessing that Figger wakes up in a cold sweat at night anticipating Frank's wrath during a film session when watching Shane. Congrats on the new career high for points Shane.
Misc. Peggy's: Slam Dunk Shots Face eating defense scrappiness effort 12-2 run 2nd halves free throw rate
Nancy Neg's
What happens when Jamar gets in foul trouble?
Rod. We need to talk. Sit down over there. Another 0-fer from 3. You look sick. Did you go get the free AIDS test? What the hell? Maybe Martavious can cheer you up? Have you gone over and played Just Dance 3 with him yet? Do you The saddest of all the Nancy Neg's. I'm scared for you Rod. McOrebs is the only thread still hanging.
#teamangel gtfo. Seriously. What a crap show. His only redeeming qualities are his ability to play scrappy off ball defense, he drew a couple fouls and he had a couple nice passes to Shane Southwell who inexplicably hit a couple shots. Everything else about his minutes were a near continuous disaster. His 2 on 1 was Clent Stewart-esque. But clearly this is the best fastbreak team evar. On the year: 5-27 (.185) and 3-16 (.188) from 3. Yeah, keep chucking Angel. Steves? Stay on the Football board until January.
Tay, you know minutes are there just waiting for you, right? You need to start acting right.
Nino, get ready to get thrown to the wolves One of the big three are going to get Frank'd and it will be "batter up."
Misc nancy neg's: Out rebounded 45-42 10 assists-12 turnovers we don't know how to feed the post or creatively pass the ball in general
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face eating defense
:eek:
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Our guards are :flush: offensively Frank stop screwing around with Jeremy Jones.
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I enjoy Angel's hustle and think he's great. I also think his upside is great. Still #teamangel and proud.
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#teamangel :blush:
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Our guards are :flush: offensively Frank stop screwing around with Jeremy Jones.
#TeamMoreJones
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btw, great work Tortuga
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Our guards are :flush: offensively Frank stop screwing around with Jeremy Jones.
yeah it can get pretty scary. not sure if this group will progress much this year. Angel can get better once he adjusts to the speed demanded by this style of play. hopefully he'll find his rhythm and give us some kind of threat on the perimeter.
defensively they look to be ahead of curve compared to the FrankCats of the past 4 years.
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face eating defense
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Where did you get your rebounding totals? ESPN box score has it K-State 40, VaTech 37.
Pretty much agree with all from Tortuga, expect more comfortable with Shane.
So did it take the second half of his going back home senior trip game to get Jamar to quit being a tease? Games like this will make him a rich man.
Odd what you said about JO, because last year when the"hey I can play on his level" first brightened his eyes, it was mostly from things he did on the offensive end.
Despite the inability to finished layups and hit FTs, I thought even the helter skelter first half was fun with all the floor burns and scrums. God, I'd love to watch one of our practices.
Then, sadly, there's McGruder. Something is wrong here. How soon before he loses his starting role to Shane (and maybe it needs to happen to snap him out of his funk).
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Where did you get your rebounding totals? ESPN box score has it K-State 40, VaTech 37.
Pretty much agree with all from Tortuga, expect more comfortable with Shane.
So did it take the second half of his going back home senior trip game to get Jamar to quit being a tease? Games like this will make him a rich man.
Odd what you said about JO, because last year when the"hey I can play on his level" first brightened his eyes, it was mostly from things he did on the offensive end.
Despite the inability to finished layups and hit FTs, I thought even the helter skelter first half was fun with all the floor burns and scrums. God, I'd love to watch one of our practices.
Then, sadly, there's McGruder. Something is wrong here. How soon before he loses his starting role to Shane (and maybe it needs to happen to snap him out of his funk).
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http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2011-2012/ksgame05.html (http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2011-2012/ksgame05.html)
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What about Shane Southwell makes you comfortable? He is a terrifying roller coaster of emotion.
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JO was always a defensive presence and last year he averaged almost as many blocks as points. His offensive game is enormously improved this year. His shot from the elbow was huge. He really could be a weapon if he gets his confidence together, learns how to feed the post and improves his hands even a little. People want him to bang on the block, but that will never be his game. See: that time when he caught the ball on the block in the air and landed two feet off the block. He needs to pull up some Curtis Kelly tape and work on his bank shot. He can shoot over nearly everyone and should be pulling his man out to create space for Gip/Jamar. I really like the potential. I also think he needs to be rebounding more, but that will always be a problem for him when it gets physical.
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I agree that something is seriously wrong with McGruder. Not sure fewer minutes is really an answer because I don't think this is a motivation problem. I think he needs to play through it.
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PO: Won a road game despite playing like crap.
NEG: Played like crap.
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Should have never got rid of Russell. Gruds been crap since he left.
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Should have never got rid of Russell. Gruds been crap since he left.
The DeBarosa effect.
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I enjoy Angel's hustle and think he's great. I also think his upside is great. Still #teamangel and proud.
Me too.
Our guards are :flush: offensively Frank stop screwing around with Jeremy Jones.
#TeamMoreJones
Me too! He's so quick and can score. Hopefully he'll get better on defense.
I can't say who should get Frank'd, but if I had to guess who will get Frank'd, I'd say Watson. Maybe Nino should get Frank'd, but I don't want to believe this.
McGruder has been disappointing. Maybe he's just in a slump. Let's hope that's all it is.
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Should have never got rid of Russell. Gruds been crap since he left.
Maybe he misses Wally.
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I enjoy Angel's hustle and think he's great. I also think his upside is great. Still #teamangel and proud.
Me too.
Our guards are :flush: offensively Frank stop screwing around with Jeremy Jones.
#TeamMoreJones
Me too! He's so quick and can score. Hopefully he'll get better on defense.
I can't say who should get Frank'd, but if I had to guess who will get Frank'd, I'd say Watson. Maybe Nino should get Frank'd, but I don't want to believe this.
McGruder has been disappointing. Maybe he's just in a slump. Let's hope that's all it is.
Omari or Watson are the clear front runners.
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Love these.
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I enjoy Angel's hustle and think he's great. I also think his upside is great. Still #teamangel and proud.
Me too.
Our guards are :flush: offensively Frank stop screwing around with Jeremy Jones.
#TeamMoreJones
Me too! He's so quick and can score. Hopefully he'll get better on defense.
I can't say who should get Frank'd, but if I had to guess who will get Frank'd, I'd say Watson. Maybe Nino should get Frank'd, but I don't want to believe this.
McGruder has been disappointing. Maybe he's just in a slump. Let's hope that's all it is.
Omari or Watson are the clear front runners.
robcassidy22 Rob Cassidy
Overheard Frank Martin talking to a person I assume was Omari Lawrence's dad after the game. "I will not let him fail," Martin said.
robcassidy22 Rob Cassidy
Frank said Omari has been good in practice recently.
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Martavious' 300 arms are always a peggy pos.
Also, JO draining 15-footers and 3 (I think) defensive possessions (<--is that an actual term; it sounds weird) in the 2nd half where we forced a bad shot at the end of the shot clock, and that 5-point possession at the beginning of the game where we hit two field goals and rebounded two missed free throws.
Nancy neg: letting them get oboards after forcing bad shots at the end of the shot clock.
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I think Rodney is being told to be the leader. I don't think Rod fits the prototypical watch me lead player profile. He seems much more comfy and much more productive in playing the scrappy I-make-crap-happen-when-someone-else-already-messed-up role. He was/is very good at this role. Unfortunately, tough to let him stay in this role without someone else stepping up to be the primary option.
Loved the D. Loved. Loved.
The only thing I loved more than the D last night was Jamar. Fantastic.
Still #TeamAngel It's gonna work out wonderfully too.
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What about Shane Southwell makes you comfortable?
Results: 20 minutes, 3-6 FG. 1-2 from 3, 4-6 from the line, 3 rbs, 1 assist, 1 block, no TOs. 11 points.
Serously who would you rather have at the line in the crunch, Shane or McGruder?
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man tortuga really's found his niche with these wrap ups, great stuff.
for some reason the flow of our offense didn't annoy me last night.
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Jamar really needed last night to happen, imo
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Defense so far looks much better after 5 games than any of Frank's other teams this early in the season. Help defense has been pretty good, and they've minimized defensive fouls in the lane.
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Defense so far looks much better after 5 games than any of Frank's other teams this early in the season. Help defense has been pretty good, and they've minimized defensive fouls in the lane.
having JO lurking in the paint waiting to swat bitches crap certainly helps the defense.
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for some reason the flow of our offense didn't annoy me last night.
I agree - at least in the 2nd half. Imagine if we had a guard (not named Sprawlding) who could hit an open, uncontested shot. Imagine it.
I still think our passing angles into the post are pretty horrible. But, one the whole, I thought we moved the ball well and got open looks out of our offense. Also nice to see some DOBs (dunks on bitches) from our bigs. Even Gipper had a DOB.
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PP: All the LOL JYC moments - two or three balls that went 30 feet into the air, sprad's behind the back stomach pass, Shane's missed three, etc.
PP: A new term for JO:
JO lurking in the paint waiting to swat bitches crap
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Shane's missed three, etc.
:love:
probably one of the most appalling basketball shots I have ever seen in my life.
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people that are talking about running off williams and/or lawrence. there aren't many minutes available to non ball handling guards unless two of jo, samuels and gippy start to suck and they decide to play small. unless that happens, mcgruder is going to get just about all the non ball handling guard minutes that there are to be had.
just because they aren't playing much doesn't mean they aren't good, just that they aren't better than mcgruder.
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I think Rodney is being told to be the leader. I don't think Rod fits the prototypical watch me lead player profile. He seems much more comfy and much more productive in playing the scrappy I-make-crap-happen-when-someone-else-already-messed-up role. He was/is very good at this role. Unfortunately, tough to let him stay in this role without someone else stepping up to be the primary option.
Loved the D. Loved. Loved.
The only thing I loved more than the D last night was Jamar. Fantastic.
Still #TeamAngel It's gonna work out wonderfully too.
I think Rod was told to be the leader because nobody thought Jamar was capable of it. But we're seeing a new Jamar now. He says he wants to be the leader and so far he's showing it. If this continues, he's our primary option now.
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man tortuga really's found his niche with these wrap ups, great stuff.
for some reason the flow of our offense didn't annoy me last night.
I've been pretty happy with our offensive flow so far this year. The ball movement has been really good. We've been consistently getting the ball inside. It's our shooting that needs work. But so far, very promising, IMLBBIQO.
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Loved the post feeds and kickouts from gip. The open shots will eventually fall. When they play D and scrap like they did yesterday, they will stay in games against everyone but maybe KU no matter what the offense looks like.
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god that game was so JYCatty it makes me giddy.
i liked Cassidy's line from his recap: "There were no style points awarded and no flashy strings of wonderful ball movement. Martin has never been too interested in those things, anyway." :lol:
kstatesports.com coverage of this game is mumped.
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Loved the post feeds and kickouts from gip.
No doubt, a huge Po that we hadn't yet seen from Frank's teams.
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When was the last time we looked that junkyard-y? Was awesome to watch.
Like someone said above, the junkyardy-ness makes me not care about missed layups/FTs.
Am very excited after last night.
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I think Rodney is being told to be the leader. I don't think Rod fits the prototypical watch me lead player profile. He seems much more comfy and much more productive in playing the scrappy I-make-crap-happen-when-someone-else-already-messed-up role. He was/is very good at this role. Unfortunately, tough to let him stay in this role without someone else stepping up to be the primary option.
Loved the D. Loved. Loved.
The only thing I loved more than the D last night was Jamar. Fantastic.
Still #TeamAngel It's gonna work out wonderfully too.
I think Rod was told to be the leader because nobody thought Jamar was capable of it. But we're seeing a new Jamar now. He says he wants to be the leader and so far he's showing it. If this continues, he's our primary option now.
No one important told Rodney that he needed to be a leader. Frank has hinted & said multiple times since the summer that Jamar and Doc are the leaders.
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god that game was so JYCatty it makes me giddy.
i liked Cassidy's line from his recap: "There were no style points awarded and no flashy strings of wonderful ball movement. Martin has never been too interested in those things, anyway." :lol:
kstatesports.com coverage of this game is mumped.
That's prolly because Cassidy was the only reporter there.
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Angel will come around when Frank finally decides to give him a Pullen frosh type ass rippin :curse:
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Don't know if I've ever heard Frank as happy as he was during the post-game interview.
Positively. Giddy.
I'll take it as a good sign. :ksu: