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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Fuktard on October 31, 2011, 01:47:00 PM
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It's time to fire this subject up again. After an acceptable first half of the season our defense seems to be reverting back to last years abomination. Our defensive numbers were helped greatly by ball control offense and limiting opponents possessions. I was hopeful that changing schemes might have been the key but it's looking like more of the same. I refuse to believe that we don't have the talent to be a top 50 defense, however I realize that playing in the Big 12 which sports some of the most prolific offenses in the country can play hell with our rankings. What is acceptable? Will Bill make a change if we end up 100+ again this year?
I really rough ridin' hate the guy....been a loser at every stop. amirite? :dunno:
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What I hate is how people have let him slide this year. Our defense is only better because we have A. Brown.
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What I hate is how people have let him slide this year. Our defense is only better because we have A. Brown.
It's bad to say our defense is better because we have better players?
To the point of the thread, if OSU puts up embarrassing numbers, yes the discussion is warranted. Evrn then he still should get the season though, finish top 50 in scoring and points and top 20 in run defense and I'd find it hard to fire Cosh.
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What I hate is how people have let him slide this year. Our defense is only better because we have A. Brown.
It's bad to say our defense is better because we have better players?
To the point of the thread, if OSU puts up embarrassing numbers, yes the discussion is warranted. Evrn then he still should get the season though, finish top 50 in scoring and points and top 20 in run defense and I'd find it hard to fire Cosh.
Cosh's coaching ability hasn't changed since last season. He is still a journeyman type of coach: good enough to get jobs, bad enough to lose them after a few years. The players have gotten better, and Arthur Brown replacing the slowest linebacker in the Big 12 (Hrebec) is the biggest improvement. Malone has helped a lot too. Walker, Kibble and Garrett getting another year under their belt has also improved the defense.
Put it this way - the guy driving our defense is still a horrible driver, he just looks like a better driver because he upgraded from a Yugo to an F150. Snyder manages to make chicken salad out of chickenshit on offense, but when Cosh only has chickenshit to work with (like last season) he can only make...chickenshit.
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If Tech can beat Oklahoma...KSU can beat Ostate. right? :crossfingers:
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What I hate is how people have let him slide this year. Our defense is only better because we have A. Brown.
It's bad to say our defense is better because we have better players?
To the point of the thread, if OSU puts up embarrassing numbers, yes the discussion is warranted. Evrn then he still should get the season though, finish top 50 in scoring and points and top 20 in run defense and I'd find it hard to fire Cosh.
Cosh's coaching ability hasn't changed since last season. He is still a journeyman type of coach: good enough to get jobs, bad enough to lose them after a few years. The players have gotten better, and Arthur Brown replacing the slowest linebacker in the Big 12 (Hrebec) is the biggest improvement. Malone has helped a lot too. Walker, Kibble and Garrett getting another year under their belt has also improved the defense.
Put it this way - the guy driving our defense is still a horrible driver, he just looks like a better driver because he upgraded from a Yugo to an F150. Snyder manages to make chicken salad out of chickenshit on offense, but when Cosh only has chickenshit to work with (like last season) he can only make...chickenshit.
I had a similarly themed response typed, but I can't put this better. :cheers:
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What I hate is how people have let him slide this year. Our defense is only better because we have A. Brown.
It's bad to say our defense is better because we have better players?
To the point of the thread, if OSU puts up embarrassing numbers, yes the discussion is warranted. Evrn then he still should get the season though, finish top 50 in scoring and points and top 20 in run defense and I'd find it hard to fire Cosh.
I would be very happy with a top 50 scoring defense...is there any way that happens? I thought every team set pretty much every possible offensive record against us last year but OU proved there are still records to be broken. It's awesome to be the team that individuals set career numbers against.
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top 50 in scoring and points and top 20 in run defense
while leading the nation in TOP :flush:
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What I hate is how people have let him slide this year. Our defense is only better because we have A. Brown.
It's bad to say our defense is better because we have better players?
To the point of the thread, if OSU puts up embarrassing numbers, yes the discussion is warranted. Evrn then he still should get the season though, finish top 50 in scoring and points and top 20 in run defense and I'd find it hard to fire Cosh.
Cosh's coaching ability hasn't changed since last season. He is still a journeyman type of coach: good enough to get jobs, bad enough to lose them after a few years. The players have gotten better, and Arthur Brown replacing the slowest linebacker in the Big 12 (Hrebec) is the biggest improvement. Malone has helped a lot too. Walker, Kibble and Garrett getting another year under their belt has also improved the defense.
Put it this way - the guy driving our defense is still a horrible driver, he just looks like a better driver because he upgraded from a Yugo to an F150. Snyder manages to make chicken salad out of chickenshit on offense, but when Cosh only has chickenshit to work with (like last season) he can only make...chickenshit.
I'm all for dumping Cosh and finding someone better. (Wait, would Snyder hire someone better?) But there's some reason those guys improved as players from last season, right? Isn't that part of coaching? Does Cosh get credit for that?
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Cosh's coaching ability hasn't changed since last season. He is still a journeyman type of coach: good enough to get jobs, bad enough to lose them after a few years. The players have gotten better, and Arthur Brown replacing the slowest linebacker in the Big 12 (Hrebec) is the biggest improvement. Malone has helped a lot too. Walker, Kibble and Garrett getting another year under their belt has also improved the defense.
Put it this way - the guy driving our defense is still a horrible driver, he just looks like a better driver because he upgraded from a Yugo to an F150. Snyder manages to make chicken salad out of chickenshit on offense, but when Cosh only has chickenshit to work with (like last season) he can only make...chickenshit.
I really don't disagree with anything you say here, but like I said, I will give him the season. If his defense has another extremely embarrassing performance against OSU and doesn't perform well enough to at least split with aTm/UT (or even worse to beat ISU), then I will be all for discussions about making a change at DC. And yes, the second half performance against OU was TERRIBLE, but I wouldn't fire anyone for one really, really bad half of football. Overall the defense hasn't always been pretty this year, but its still had a big part in being 7-1 right now.
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This season hasn't been bad enough for me to start crying for Cosh's head, especially given the improvement from last season. That said, I would prefer getting somebody else.
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This season hasn't been bad enough for me to start crying for Cosh's head, especially given the improvement from last season. That said, I would prefer getting somebody else.
I agree with this.
My hope is that the defense improves enough that someone else comes calling and Cosh decides to leave because that is much more likely than Cosh being fired.
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This season hasn't been bad enough for me to start crying for Cosh's head, especially given the improvement from last season. That said, I would prefer getting somebody else.
not bad enough because we have had a couple ST plays that saved us from losing, those don't go our way and you too would be calling for his head.
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This season hasn't been bad enough for me to start crying for Cosh's head, especially given the improvement from last season. That said, I would prefer getting somebody else.
not bad enough because we have had a couple ST plays that saved us from losing, those don't go our way and you too would be calling for his head.
We have had no games where only one phase of the game won us the game. (or lost us the game for that matter). It really doesn't make any logical sense to me to say that the defense is only better because we have better players or to say that we've only won because of special teams and offense in the 7 (seven) wins we have.
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What I hate is how people have let him slide this year. Our defense is only better because we have A. Brown.
It's bad to say our defense is better because we have better players?
To the point of the thread, if OSU puts up embarrassing numbers, yes the discussion is warranted. Evrn then he still should get the season though, finish top 50 in scoring and points and top 20 in run defense and I'd find it hard to fire Cosh.
Cosh's coaching ability hasn't changed since last season. He is still a journeyman type of coach: good enough to get jobs, bad enough to lose them after a few years. The players have gotten better, and Arthur Brown replacing the slowest linebacker in the Big 12 (Hrebec) is the biggest improvement. Malone has helped a lot too. Walker, Kibble and Garrett getting another year under their belt has also improved the defense.
Put it this way - the guy driving our defense is still a horrible driver, he just looks like a better driver because he upgraded from a Yugo to an F150. Snyder manages to make chicken salad out of chickenshit on offense, but when Cosh only has chickenshit to work with (like last season) he can only make...chickenshit.
I'm all for dumping Cosh and finding someone better. (Wait, would Snyder hire someone better?) But there's some reason those guys improved as players from last season, right? Isn't that part of coaching? Does Cosh get credit for that?
Player improvement from year to year is part coaching (Cosh and the positional coaches get credit for that), part experience and part physical growth (these guys are still at an age where they make significant gains in speed, size, strength each offseason). But a defensive coordinator needs to be able to coordinate a defense - otherwise he should just stick to positional coaching. Cosh has not shown the ability to make a defense that is greater than the sum of its parts. I realize that is a tough task, but it's required at K-State because the sum of our parts isn't anywhere close to teams like Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.
Cosh should get the rest of the season, but unless he can magically improve enough for our defense to put up respectable performances against Oklahoma State, A&M and whoever we play in the bowl game, he needs to be replaced. There is a large enough sample size to predict that OSU will have their way with our defense while A&M will put up at least 35.
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To the point of the thread, if OSU puts up embarrassing numbers, yes the discussion is warranted. Evrn then he still should get the season though, finish top 50 in scoring and points and top 20 in run defense and I'd find it hard to fire Cosh.
That's gonna put a lot of pressure on our Texas and Iowa State games. After the next two games, we could easily be in the 85-90 range in both total and scoring defense and last in passing defense.
But, as was already pointed out:
if that happens, cosh will get fired, for sure.
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The defense is mediocre this year, but that's light years better than last year's defense, which was one of the worst defenses I've ever seen. I don't like Cosh, and he should never have been given a pass for last year and been allowed to stay on staff. However, given the improvement, I won't be nearly as pissed this offseason when no changes are made as I was last offseason.
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mods please merge w/ fire snyder/cosh master thread
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This season hasn't been bad enough for me to start crying for Cosh's head, especially given the improvement from last season. That said, I would prefer getting somebody else.
not bad enough because we have had a couple ST plays that saved us from losing, those don't go our way and you too would be calling for his head.
We have had no games where only one phase of the game won us the game. (or lost us the game for that matter). It really doesn't make any logical sense to me to say that the defense is only better because we have better players or to say that we've only won because of special teams and offense in the 7 (seven) wins we have.
come back after game 12 when our D stats will have dropped significantly from the start of the year due to playing competition. Then you will see how bad our D really is. Like has been stated in the previous threads we aren't playing the best teams yet but still getting out gained by all of them except KU and other crappy teams...
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This season hasn't been bad enough for me to start crying for Cosh's head, especially given the improvement from last season. That said, I would prefer getting somebody else.
not bad enough because we have had a couple ST plays that saved us from losing, those don't go our way and you too would be calling for his head.
We have had no games where only one phase of the game won us the game. (or lost us the game for that matter). It really doesn't make any logical sense to me to say that the defense is only better because we have better players or to say that we've only won because of special teams and offense in the 7 (seven) wins we have.
come back after game 12 when our D stats will have dropped significantly from the start of the year due to playing competition. Then you will see how bad our D really is. Like has been stated in the previous threads we aren't playing the best teams yet but still getting out gained by all of them except KU and other crappy teams...
Texas Tech, Baylor, and Missouri are among the best offenses in the nation. Anybody who can't see that the defense is greatly improved must be blind. We aren't good defensively, but we are no longer abysmal. At least there has been some progress.
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This season hasn't been bad enough for me to start crying for Cosh's head, especially given the improvement from last season. That said, I would prefer getting somebody else.
not bad enough because we have had a couple ST plays that saved us from losing, those don't go our way and you too would be calling for his head.
We have had no games where only one phase of the game won us the game. (or lost us the game for that matter). It really doesn't make any logical sense to me to say that the defense is only better because we have better players or to say that we've only won because of special teams and offense in the 7 (seven) wins we have.
come back after game 12 when our D stats will have dropped significantly from the start of the year due to playing competition. Then you will see how bad our D really is. Like has been stated in the previous threads we aren't playing the best teams yet but still getting out gained by all of them except KU and other crappy teams...
Texas Tech, Baylor, and Missouri are among the best offenses in the nation. Anybody who can't see that the defense is greatly improved must be blind. We aren't good defensively, but we are no longer abysmal. At least there has been some progress.
I agree with this and am not debating whether our defense is better...i know it is...hell A Brown immediately makes the d better. My argument is that we have the talent to at least be a top 50 defense...are we?
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This season hasn't been bad enough for me to start crying for Cosh's head, especially given the improvement from last season. That said, I would prefer getting somebody else.
not bad enough because we have had a couple ST plays that saved us from losing, those don't go our way and you too would be calling for his head.
We have had no games where only one phase of the game won us the game. (or lost us the game for that matter). It really doesn't make any logical sense to me to say that the defense is only better because we have better players or to say that we've only won because of special teams and offense in the 7 (seven) wins we have.
come back after game 12 when our D stats will have dropped significantly from the start of the year due to playing competition. Then you will see how bad our D really is. Like has been stated in the previous threads we aren't playing the best teams yet but still getting out gained by all of them except KU and other crappy teams...
Texas Tech, Baylor, and Missouri are among the best offenses in the nation. Anybody who can't see that the defense is greatly improved must be blind. We aren't good defensively, but we are no longer abysmal. At least there has been some progress.
I agree with this and am not debating whether our defense is better...i know it is...hell A Brown immediately makes the d better. My argument is that we have the talent to at least be a top 50 defense...are we?
Probably not. To be fair, though, most teams do not have to face the kind of offenses that we do. Our defense is capable of shutting down teams with shitty offenses. Like I said earlier, I don't like Cosh and got pretty bent out of shape over him not being fired after last season. This season just hasn't been horrible enough for me to call for his head, but if we were to replace him, I would be happy (assuming we don't go out and get somebody like Tibesar).
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In the Week 10 What to Watch For article, Rivals said the coordinator chess match of the week is OSU OC Todd Monken vs KSU DC Chris Cosh. Cosh is a checkers player sitting at a chess table.
"Cosh's unit was torched last week by Oklahoma, and now here comes Oklahoma State, which has a rushing attack better than Oklahoma's. Monken is in his first season as the Cowboys' coordinator and has meshed well with QB Brandon Weeden. Cosh needs his offense to control the clock and hog the ball, but he also has to find a way to get consistent pressure on Weeden. K-State didn't get to Oklahoma QB Landry Jones once last week, and Jones threw for 505 yards and five TDs."
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1286539
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If Cosh does not return that old balls DB coach becomes DC.
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Our special teams has been amazing this year. Could we promote Sean to DC if we fire Cosh?
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Amazing premium content in this thread.
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Not enough Brooks Barta speculation.
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Our special teams has been amazing this year. Could we promote Sean to DC if we fire Cosh?
And so it begins . . .
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Our offense has been horrible as well. Zero points in the second half? :flush: The whole coaching staff has been horrible this year.
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Our offense has been horrible as well. Zero points in the second half? :flush: The whole coaching staff has been horrible this year.
Bill must have took the week off, or has some Turner Gill rubbing off on him from last week. More like Turner Bill I guess.
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What retread are we going to get to replace Cosh if he does go? And isn't anyone else terrified of the fact that out of all of the defensive coaching connections Snyder has, he decided that Cosh was his best option (besides VK)? Cosh is the worst, but he's also simultaneously the best we are going to get. That's some Schrodinger's cat crap right there.
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I admire anyone that still has fight left in them re: cosh. Snyder broke my spirit last year.
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What retread are we going to get to replace Cosh if he does go? And isn't anyone else terrified of the fact that out of all of the defensive coaching connections Snyder has, he decided that Cosh was his best option (besides VK)? Cosh is the worst, but he's also simultaneously the best we are going to get. That's some Schrodinger's cat crap right there.
mike stoops?
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What retread are we going to get to replace Cosh if he does go? And isn't anyone else terrified of the fact that out of all of the defensive coaching connections Snyder has, he decided that Cosh was his best option (besides VK)? Cosh is the worst, but he's also simultaneously the best we are going to get. That's some Schrodinger's cat crap right there.
mike stoops?
was going to post this.
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What retread are we going to get to replace Cosh if he does go? And isn't anyone else terrified of the fact that out of all of the defensive coaching connections Snyder has, he decided that Cosh was his best option (besides VK)? Cosh is the worst, but he's also simultaneously the best we are going to get. That's some Schrodinger's cat crap right there.
mike stoops?
was going to post this.
Nobody thinks Bobby is going to make a place on the staff for him? Besides, if Venables and Mangino wouldn't be welcomed back, why would Mike?
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It isn't cosh, for crying out rough ridin' loud...he is just a mother rough ridin' piece of the body, you can't kill the son of a bitch unless you cut off the head, and we are all aware of who the head is.....
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It isn't cosh, for crying out rough ridin' loud...he is just a mother rough ridin' piece of the body, you can't kill the son of a bitch unless you cut off the head, and we are all aware of who the head is.....
:facepalm: wtf is wrong with you?
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It isn't cosh, for crying out rough ridin' loud...he is just a mother rough ridin' piece of the body, you can't kill the son of a bitch unless you cut off the head, and we are all aware of who the head is.....
7-1. You don't cut off the head; you replace the right arm with some super awesome bionic arm that has lasers and rockets built in.
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It isn't cosh, for crying out rough ridin' loud...he is just a mother rough ridin' piece of the body, you can't kill the son of a bitch unless you cut off the head, and we are all aware of who the head is.....
Spoken like a true dumbass.
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It isn't cosh, for crying out rough ridin' loud...he is just a mother rough ridin' piece of the body, you can't kill the son of a bitch unless you cut off the head, and we are all aware of who the head is.....
You're absolutely right. 100%. People will realize it once we go 6-6 next year.
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It isn't cosh, for crying out rough ridin' loud...he is just a mother rough ridin' piece of the body, you can't kill the son of a bitch unless you cut off the head, and we are all aware of who the head is.....
You're absolutely right. 100%. People will realize it once we go 6-6 next year.
We'll be lucky to go 6-6 this year.
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top 50 in scoring and points and top 20 in run defense
while leading the nation in TOP :flush:
This. Our ball-control offense makes it seem that our defense is passable at times.
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top 50 in scoring and points and top 20 in run defense
while leading the nation in TOP :flush:
This. Our ball-control offense makes it seem that our defense is passable at times.
Because our defense is passable at times. Unlike last year we have a competent interior defensive line play, two legitimate Division 1 linebackers, and a good, not great secondary.
The defensive improvements are not all because of ball control offense. I still think Cosh is an extremely below average DC, but it's unfair to say there hasn't been real improvement in many areas this season.
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Sure our offense looked like crap in the 2nd half, but everyone who isn't a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) knew that our offense would suck if we got behind. IMO we panicked and went to the pass too early. It was the only chance we had to get back into the game after we went down 2 TD's, but it would have kept the score somewhat close (not that it really means much, but whatever). Snyder and Co. have done a great job of making something out of complete crap. I mean, how many other coaches could make a somewhat respectable offense with Klein, Huebert, Wilson, Tannahill, etc. Granted it's their own doing with shitty recruiting, but they've still made something out of nothing. I personally feel like we have more talent on defense (Brown, Walker, Garrett, Malone, Lamur, Kibble) than offense, but we've done less with the talent. My only concern with getting rid of Cosh is that I'm not sure Snyder would hire anyone better.
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It isn't cosh, for crying out rough ridin' loud...he is just a mother rough ridin' piece of the body, you can't kill the son of a bitch unless you cut off the head, and we are all aware of who the head is.....
You're absolutely right. 100%. People will realize it once we go 6-6 next year.
We'll be lucky to go 6-6 this year.
UHhh :confused:
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who kept cosh after last season, who keep bringing back his retreads over and over, who made his baby boy a coach in aspirations of grooming him as the head coach so we can keep recycling the same garbage over and over? ITS LIKE THAT MOVIE GROUND HOG DAY, ITS TIME WE ALL GOT WEANED FROM THE SYNDER TEET! CUT THE MOTHER rough ridin' HEAD OFF!!!
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who kept cosh after last season, who keep bringing back his retreads over and over, who made his baby boy a coach in aspirations of grooming him as the head coach so we can keep recycling the same garbage over and over? ITS LIKE THAT MOVIE GROUND HOG DAY, ITS TIME WE ALL GOT WEANED FROM THE SYNDER TEET! CUT THE MOTHER rough ridin' HEAD OFF!!!
K, well, you keep regurgitating this crap and I'm going to have fun cheering on what is likely a Cotton Bowl season.
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who kept cosh after last season, who keep bringing back his retreads over and over, who made his baby boy a coach in aspirations of grooming him as the head coach so we can keep recycling the same garbage over and over? ITS LIKE THAT MOVIE GROUND HOG DAY, ITS TIME WE ALL GOT WEANED FROM THE SYNDER TEET! CUT THE MOTHER rough ridin' HEAD OFF!!!
You lose the right to have your opinion taken seriously when you post stuff like this....but don't worry, you have a lot of company.
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yea, guess I might as well give up and settle for what ever bowl Snyder and son gets us in to, but its fun dreaming about having nice things such as coaches who can recruit and punish. This family crap will never win a NC, but as long as we get to a bowl, life is good!!
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Unleash has some good points. Please look at the lump of crap that is our recruiting class and then look into your purple crystal ball and tell me what you see in 2 yrs? This year is great and nobody is going to deny that - but this year could be KU's 2007 without question. If we live in the moment - we can all sit around give each other high fives for what we've done this year, but aren't any of you worried about the next couple of years? I sure as hell am.
It'll be interesting to see what you all think if November goes bad.
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Unleash has some good points. Please look at the lump of crap that is our recruiting class and then look into your purple crystal ball and tell me what you see in 2 yrs? This year is great and nobody is going to deny that - but this year could be KU's 2007 without question. If we live in the moment - we can all sit around give each other high fives for what we've done this year, but aren't any of you worried about the next couple of years? I sure as hell am.
It'll be interesting to see what you all think if November goes bad.
You don't fire somebody based upon speculating that they won't be able to win in the future. You just put together a list of candidates and fire him as soon as your speculation is confirmed.
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Unleash has some good points. Please look at the lump of crap that is our recruiting class and then look into your purple crystal ball and tell me what you see in 2 yrs? This year is great and nobody is going to deny that - but this year could be KU's 2007 without question. If we live in the moment - we can all sit around give each other high fives for what we've done this year, but aren't any of you worried about the next couple of years? I sure as hell am.
It'll be interesting to see what you all think if November goes bad.
Of course we should be sitting around giving each other high fives. We're 7-1 and we should be expected to sit around worrying about the 2013 season? Please.
UTM does not have good points and it's unfair to characterize our recruiting class as a "lump of crap."
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Unleash has some good points. Please look at the lump of crap that is our recruiting class and then look into your purple crystal ball and tell me what you see in 2 yrs? This year is great and nobody is going to deny that - but this year could be KU's 2007 without question. If we live in the moment - we can all sit around give each other high fives for what we've done this year, but aren't any of you worried about the next couple of years? I sure as hell am.
It'll be interesting to see what you all think if November goes bad.
You don't fire somebody based upon speculating that they won't be able to win in the future. You just put together a list of candidates and fire him as soon as your speculation is confirmed.
didn't we kinda do that with Prince?
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Unleash has some good points. Please look at the lump of crap that is our recruiting class and then look into your purple crystal ball and tell me what you see in 2 yrs? This year is great and nobody is going to deny that - but this year could be KU's 2007 without question. If we live in the moment - we can all sit around give each other high fives for what we've done this year, but aren't any of you worried about the next couple of years? I sure as hell am.
It'll be interesting to see what you all think if November goes bad.
You don't fire somebody based upon speculating that they won't be able to win in the future. You just put together a list of candidates and fire him as soon as your speculation is confirmed.
didn't we kinda do that with Prince?
Prince should not have been fired mid-season. Other than that, his team was playing like crap and had put together a shitty recruiting class. Bill has the team playing pretty well. There shouldn't be any talk of firing him until that is no longer the case.
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Teams such as OU, ect ect don't have to worry about the future, we do, Nov could be really bad, Kline has taken. a serious beating, and the one horse cart is starting to come apart. yes...high five, were 7-1..lets wait til this story ends....
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Teams such as OU, ect ect don't have to worry about the future, we do, Nov could be really bad, Kline has taken. a serious beating, and the one horse cart is starting to come apart. yes...high five, were 7-1..lets wait til this story ends....
Meh. Whatever you say, Brad.
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Teams such as OU, ect ect don't have to worry about the future, we do, Nov could be really bad, Kline has taken. a serious beating, and the one horse cart is starting to come apart. yes...high five, were 7-1..lets wait til this story ends....
Teams such as OU, ect ect don't have to worry about the future, we do, Nov could be really bad, Kline has taken. a serious beating, and the one horse cart is starting to come apart. yes...high five, were 7-1..lets wait til this story ends....
Meh. Whatever you say, Brad.:flush:
Teams such as OU, ect ect don't have to worry about the future, we do, Nov could be really bad, Kline has taken. a serious beating, and the one horse cart is starting to come apart. yes...high five, were 7-1..lets wait til this story ends....
Meh. Whatever you say, Brad.
Teams such as OU, ect ect don't have to worry about the future, we do, Nov could be really bad, Kline has taken. a serious beating, and the one horse cart is starting to come apart. yes...high five, were 7-1..lets wait til this story ends....
Meh. Whatever you say, Brad.
Meh. Whatever you say, Brad.
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Teams such as OU, ect ect don't have to worry about the future, we do, Nov could be really bad, Kline has taken. a serious beating, and the one horse cart is starting to come apart. yes...high five, were 7-1..lets wait til this story ends....
Teams such as OU, ect ect don't have to worry about the future, we do, Nov could be really bad, Kline has taken. a serious beating, and the one horse cart is starting to come apart. yes...high five, were 7-1..lets wait til this story ends....
Meh. Whatever you say, Brad.:flush:
Teams such as OU, ect ect don't have to worry about the future, we do, Nov could be really bad, Kline has taken. a serious beating, and the one horse cart is starting to come apart. yes...high five, were 7-1..lets wait til this story ends....
Meh. Whatever you say, Brad.
Teams such as OU, ect ect don't have to worry about the future, we do, Nov could be really bad, Kline has taken. a serious beating, and the one horse cart is starting to come apart. yes...high five, were 7-1..lets wait til this story ends....
Meh. Whatever you say, Brad.
Meh. Whatever you say, Brad.
I thought unleash was making a series of parody posts?
I'm so confused now. :dunno:
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no...actually my button stuck on my phone...crap happens. Ok, what I'm trying to say is this. Take a look at OU, during the DoD we had that same swagger about us, Why has that changed? The answer is coaching and recruiting! Did you see how OU mixed it up with our team before the game started? That was about getting into our teams head? We talk family and values. That isn't going to win a NC. Our 97 team wasn't built on family values. We had the same type of swagger that teams such as OU have year in and year out. I wouldn't have a problem with Snyder if he would put coaches who would recruit the types of thugs needed to make us a nasty and mean bunch of mother fuckers again. That's football! If we ever even want a chance to ever come close to a NC again, we need the right personal, and that rests upon the head coach for putting those kinds of people in place....if all of you are satisfied with just going to a bowl game every year by beating western Illinois or whoever the hell fine, but I would love to have a chance to at least smell a NC again. Cosh, Dimel, ect ect are not going to get this done, and we all know it. Im tired of helping these fools retirement fund...if Snyder can't get coaches who can recruit and install the swagger needed, then find someone who will!
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no...actually my button stuck on my phone...crap happens. Ok, what I'm trying to say is this. Take a look at OU, during the DoD we had that same swagger about us, Why has that changed? The answer is coaching and recruiting! Did you see how OU mixed it up with our team before the game started? That was about getting into our teams head? We talk family and values. That isn't going to win a NC. Our 97 team wasn't built on family values. We had the same type of swagger that teams such as OU have year in and year out. I wouldn't have a problem with Snyder if he would put coaches who would recruit the types of thugs needed to make us a nasty and mean bunch of mother fuckers again. That's football! If we ever even want a chance to ever come close to a NC again, we need the right personal, and that rests upon the head coach for putting those kinds of people in place....if all of you are satisfied with just going to a bowl game every year by beating western Illinois or whoever the hell fine, but I would love to have a chance to at least smell a NC again. Cosh, Dimel, ect ect are not going to get this done, and we all know it. Im tired of helping these fools retirement fund...if Snyder can't get coaches who can recruit and install the swagger needed, then find someone who will!
Hey guise...I think UTM is sending us a secret message. Meet CK's juiced up brother Jack:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-5pV5P84pDlQ%2FTgCbGNyJcdI%2FAAAAAAAAA4A%2Fc_7M7-Sr7iE%2Fs1600%2FJack-Swagger-Wallpaper-Preview.jpg&hash=bc14cedf51e1cc807ab9d371e1cec8eb0d969ebf)
Can't wait for the NC parade! :ksu:
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no...actually my button stuck on my phone...crap happens. Ok, what I'm trying to say is this. Take a look at OU, during the DoD we had that same swagger about us, Why has that changed? The answer is coaching and recruiting! Did you see how OU mixed it up with our team before the game started? That was about getting into our teams head? We talk family and values. That isn't going to win a NC. Our 97 team wasn't built on family values. We had the same type of swagger that teams such as OU have year in and year out. I wouldn't have a problem with Snyder if he would put coaches who would recruit the types of thugs needed to make us a nasty and mean bunch of mother fuckers again. That's football! If we ever even want a chance to ever come close to a NC again, we need the right personal, and that rests upon the head coach for putting those kinds of people in place....if all of you are satisfied with just going to a bowl game every year by beating western Illinois or whoever the hell fine, but I would love to have a chance to at least smell a NC again. Cosh, Dimel, ect ect are not going to get this done, and we all know it. Im tired of helping these fools retirement fund...if Snyder can't get coaches who can recruit and install the swagger needed, then find someone who will!
Hey guise...I think UTM is sending us a secret message. Meet CK's juiced up brother Jack:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-5pV5P84pDlQ%2FTgCbGNyJcdI%2FAAAAAAAAA4A%2Fc_7M7-Sr7iE%2Fs1600%2FJack-Swagger-Wallpaper-Preview.jpg&hash=bc14cedf51e1cc807ab9d371e1cec8eb0d969ebf)
Can't wait for the NC parade! :ksu:
:crossfingers: but isnt he from ou? :ohno:
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no...actually my button stuck on my phone...crap happens. Ok, what I'm trying to say is this. Take a look at OU, during the DoD we had that same swagger about us, Why has that changed? The answer is coaching and recruiting! Did you see how OU mixed it up with our team before the game started? That was about getting into our teams head? We talk family and values. That isn't going to win a NC. Our 97 team wasn't built on family values. We had the same type of swagger that teams such as OU have year in and year out. I wouldn't have a problem with Snyder if he would put coaches who would recruit the types of thugs needed to make us a nasty and mean bunch of mother fuckers again. That's football! If we ever even want a chance to ever come close to a NC again, we need the right personal, and that rests upon the head coach for putting those kinds of people in place....if all of you are satisfied with just going to a bowl game every year by beating western Illinois or whoever the hell fine, but I would love to have a chance to at least smell a NC again. Cosh, Dimel, ect ect are not going to get this done, and we all know it. Im tired of helping these fools retirement fund...if Snyder can't get coaches who can recruit and install the swagger needed, then find someone who will!
unleash, do you know who you are talking too? Half the posters on this board were ready to creme themselves over the Ice Bowl; and you don't think we will be satisfied with nice bowl games. :bang:
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lmfao...I really think 1/2 the posters get it, now if only the other half would take off their rosy red specs and join the fold. Example, before the game, I was talking to a 78 graduate ( who had his shirt tucked so tight that it was cutting off the blood to his brain) he was telling me how awesome and great we were this year, so I had to ask, Who do you see taking over for snyd's here in a couple year's, and I mean like dead serious he says, Don't you think Sean is being groomed for the job? I said yes, I see that, but what do you think about that?, and he says, That's Awesome! I will be like having a young version of Bill...do I really need to say more?
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lmfao...I really think 1/2 the posters get it, now if only the other half would take off their rosy red specs and join the fold. Example, before the game, I was talking to a 78 graduate ( who had his shirt tucked so tight that it was cutting off the blood to his brain) he was telling me how awesome and great we were this year, so I had to ask, Who do you see taking over for snyd's here in a couple year's, and I mean like dead serious he says, Don't you think Sean is being groomed for the job? I said yes, I see that, but what do you think about that?, and he says, That's Awesome! I will be like having a young version of Bill...do I really need to say more?
Wow, that guy's gonna be pretty pissed when Snyds retires again and Currie (:crossfingers:) performs a real coaching search and hires some hot young coordinator with tons of zeal.
Meh...eff that tuck, amirite!
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I had the same conversation with one of my friends a few weeks back. Had the same response. goEMAW needs to start some sort of anti-Sean propaganda campaign. It's what's best for the universtity, Manhattan, and BBSing. If we don't act now, we may be very, very sorry down the road.
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Rams....I hope You are right, just afraid snyd's is going to coach until currie leaves and then pull a Dr.Tom on us, I can read the headlines now I TOLD YOU SO.....
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we should all get really, really fuckin pissed off at hcbs about our potential upcoming collapse and sean potentially being hired as a coach. we should just fire him before these things potentially happen. it's much more fun to think of how awesome we could potentially be with some big name coach/coordinator who we could potentially hire and he could potentially recruit 4 and 5 star players and take us to a potential national championship!!!
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I knew fuktard would come around eventually. I have to say he made me nervous for awhile there though.
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Thank you, the point is, as long as Bill gives us enough meaningless wins and bowls people will revere him as a King, and Sean is the Prince who will take over the throne!!!
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Sean is our next head coach if we continue to have this level of success
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You're all mumped in the head if you that think Currie's just going to hand over the job to whoever Snyder wants. I'm pretty confident that Currie will still be here when Snyder retires again, and if he's not, I'm confident in Schultz's ability to hire a qualified AD. We are fortunate right now to find ourselves with 2 VERY good people at the top. Neither is dumb enough to gamble their reputation by promoting a guy that's only been a special teams coordinator for a few years to head coach of a Big XII school, just because he's somebody's son. Currie will work behind the scenes to help Sean get a head coach job at a low-level school somewhere. I mean, look at how good our special teams are this year. That along with his name should be enough for some Texas State type school to hire him. In return Snyder will assist with the LEGITIMATE coaching search and bless whoever Currie hires...hopefully some young stud coordinator that can not only recruit but COACH!
And maybe...just maybe...15 years from now we'll be doing another coaching search and Sean will be the obvious choice and we'll all be super rough ridin' pumped about it because he turned into the 1989 version of his dad. Probably not, but who the eff knows!?
So please, pardon me if I'm not so overly concerned about some highly unlikely event happening in the future that I can't enjoy our present success.
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Thank you, the point is, as long as Bill gives us enough meaningless wins and bowls people will revere him as a King, and Sean is the Prince who will take over the throne!!!
Agree completely. :cheers:
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The seed has already been sown and planted, Sean is the anti christ of KSU football, the tucks are already speaking his name...so it is written, so it shall be
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Wow, I bet unleashthemob is an absolute joy to be around in real life.
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Wow, I bet unleashthemob is an absolute joy to be around in real life.
usually yes, but after hearing all the tuck talk lately, I'm scared as hell...people this kinda talk is coming from people who donate large sums of money, and that scares me
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Neither is dumb enough to gamble their reputation by promoting a guy that's only been a special teams coordinator for a few years
Rams just knocked it out of the park.
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IF Currie and Schultz are forced into making Sean the head coach there's basically 3 possible outcomes. He succeeds, he fails, we're stuck in mediocrity forever. The absolute worst possible scenario for us as fans would be if he took over and had a string of 6-6/7-5 seasons because our fanbase would want to keep him forever then, simply because he's Bill's son. If he somehow turns out to be a good head coach, well, I guess we'd have a good head coach. If he sucks, then it turns into the situation OK St. and TXTech had in basketball with Sutton and Knight. It may take a bit longer to get rid of them because they'll get an extra year or 2, but when they are gone it allows the AD to work with a completely clean slate.
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IF Currie and Schultz are forced into making Sean the head coach there's basically 3 possible outcomes. He succeeds, he fails, we're stuck in mediocrity forever. The absolute worst possible scenario for us as fans would be if he took over and had a string of 6-6/7-5 seasons because our fanbase would want to keep him forever then, simply because he's Bill's son. If he somehow turns out to be a good head coach, well, I guess we'd have a good head coach. If he sucks, then it turns into the situation OK St. and TXTech had in basketball with Sutton and Knight. It may take a bit longer to get rid of them because they'll get an extra year or 2, but when they are gone it allows the AD to work with a completely clean slate.
:jerk: :zzz: :blank:
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Wow, I bet unleashthemob is an absolute joy to be around in real life.
usually yes, but after hearing all the tuck talk lately, I'm scared as hell...people this kinda talk is coming from people who donate large sums of money, and that scares me
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I'd be fine with 7 win seasons and a 9 or 10 win season every 3 or 4 years.
Anything more would be pretty unreasonable, imo.
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I'd be fine with 7 win seasons and a 9 or 10 win season every 3 or 4 years.
Anything more would be pretty unreasonable, imo.
Yes. Whatever the football equivalent of 20/10/4 is. Would be perfectly alright with me.
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this is why this season is such a disaster, we aren't going to win anything meaningful and the love the obz is getting is just inching us closer to HCSS.
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I'd be fine with 7 win seasons and a 9 or 10 win season every 3 or 4 years.
Anything more would be pretty unreasonable, imo.
Yes. Whatever the football equivalent of 20/10/4 is. Would be perfectly alright with me.
I think the football equivalent to that would be nine win seasons.
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I'd be fine with 7 win seasons and a 9 or 10 win season every 3 or 4 years.
Anything more would be pretty unreasonable, imo.
That's understating my expectations for the long term a little bit. I would be happy with averaging 9 win seasons with the occasional 7 win or 11 win season and a legitimate run at the NC every 6 or 7 years. I don't think there's any reason we can't be like Virginia Tech. The hardest part to sustaining that success would be either continuing to find good coaches after they have success here and leave for bigger programs, or alternatively finding a LHC Bill Snyder/Frank Beamer that decides to stay for the long haul.
There's too many retards on this board that apparently think we need keep demanding coaching searches until we're a perennial top 10 team and competing for a NC every few years. I understand and appreciate the "demand excellence" midset, but that's just not reasonable for a program with our resources. There's a short list of teams in the nation that can reasonably expect that (USC, Texas, OU, Alabama, LSU, Michigan, etc.) and we'll never be one of them for a number of reasons.
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I'd be fine with 7 win seasons and a 9 or 10 win season every 3 or 4 years.
Anything more would be pretty unreasonable, imo.
That's understating my expectations for the long term a little bit. I would be happy with averaging 9 win seasons with the occasional 7 win or 11 win season and a legitimate run at the NC every 6 or 7 years. I don't think there's any reason we can't be like Virginia Tech. The hardest part to sustaining that success would be either continuing to find good coaches after they have success here and leave for bigger programs, or alternatively finding a LHC Bill Snyder/Frank Beamer that decides to stay for the long haul.
There's too many retards on this board that apparently think we need keep demanding coaching searches until we're a perennial top 10 team and competing for a NC every few years. I understand and appreciate the "demand excellence" midset, but that's just not reasonable for a program with our resources. There's a short list of teams in the nation that can reasonably expect that (USC, Texas, OU, Alabama, LSU, Michigan, etc.) and we'll never be one of them for a number of reasons.
Keep demanding? We haven't even had one with a competent UP and AD. Weefer handing the job back to OB doesn't count