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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: massofcatfan on February 28, 2010, 12:39:05 AM
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What's up? Anything more than "must not be practicing hard"? Radio announcers/newspaper "reporters" made no mention of this.
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Yep, Judge gets very few minutes normally, but Grudsy usually plays some. Lil strange. Could have used McOreb today.
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What's up? Anything more than "must not be practicing hard"? Radio announcers/newspaper "reporters" made no mention of this.
honestly cant believe this hadnt already been brought up. wish i had been paying enough attention to see if they had even suited up or not.
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Honestly, it hadn't really occurred to me that our McD's All American didn't play. Wow. Pinch me.
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heard a report that they had "bought out" whatever that means
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Didn't Judge play in the final minute? I thought was him that keep a ball alive on a missed free throw that went out of bounds to Missouri. He then left the game right before Pullen got mugged for the steal and the layup.
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heard a report that they had "bought out" whatever that means
My understanding was that Wally and Rodney bought in so much that Frank was sold out. It's possible that I misunderstood.
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I noticed because I was fracking holding the Rodney head. Didn't even get a chance to use it :curse:
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On the pregame Underwood said that Sutton's resurgence on the boards and on offense has cut into McGrud's minutes. As far as judge is concerned, I was hoping a game against this smaller line up was one where he'd come in and maybe show his stuff, but no such luck. Frank seems to prefer JHR going in and getting in everyone's way...which is fine because it seems to work.
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On the pregame Underwood said that Sutton's resurgence on the boards and on offense has cut into McGrud's minutes. As far as judge is concerned, I was hoping a game against this smaller line up was one where he'd come in and maybe show his stuff, but no such luck. Frank seems to prefer JHR going in and getting in everyone's way...which is fine because it seems to work.
I think about JHR down low and this is exactly what comes to mind. :lol:
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Not sure where things stand with Curtis, so I'm going stay away from that.
:embarrassed:
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What's the over/under on the date in which Judge announces transfer?
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What's the over/under on the date in which Judge announces transfer?
June 23rd :dunno:
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I noticed because I was fracking holding the Rodney head. Didn't even get a chance to use it :curse:
Swiftcat is the real victim here.
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Not sure where things stand with Curtis, so I'm going stay away from that.
:embarrassed:
:confused:
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What's the over/under on the date in which Judge announces transfer?
russell will be the only who might transfer, maybe
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Not sure where things stand with Curtis, so I'm going stay away from that.
:embarrassed:
:confused:
curtis malone
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What's the over/under on the date in which Judge announces transfer?
russell will be the only who might transfer, maybe
why would he with 30+ minutes of combo guarding up for grabs?
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What's the over/under on the date in which Judge announces transfer?
russell will be the only who might transfer, maybe
why would he with 30+ minutes of combo guarding up for grabs?
Exactly.
And again, this is easy. Frank has always been fair, but he's also given leaway to experienced players. All the frosh have had plenty of opportunities to earn minutes and bypass their teammates for more playing time. And that time has fluctuated all year, and I doubt it is a surprise to any of them, the history has shown that Frank is pretty clear on what is expected and why people play, etc.
But Lou's minutes, Chris' minutes, and Denis' minutes are all going to be up for grabs next year. I'm sure these guys understand that and will be competing for those minutes. And if they don't understand that, they can go the way of Anderson and Brown.
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Oh, the irony.
:love:
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Oh, the irony.
:love:
i know! Top 5 in the country and our McD doesn't even have to play!!!!
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might as well, do this now.
imo rotation goes this-a-way:
bold is predicted starter
comboguard (guarding pg w/ exception for dom potentially guarding) Pullen 30+/irving/spradling 10
comboguard (guarding sg) Russel 10-15/dom 10/mcgruds10-15
swing dom 10-15/jamsam 10-15/mcgruds 10
pf kelly 20/jamsam 10-15/
block wally 20/kelly/jhr/asprilla 20
could see jamsam staying in 6th man role and either jhr or wally starting for the tip. dunno.
min/pg Prediction
1) pullen
2) kelly
3) dom
4) jam
5) mcgruds (russel getting yanked and mcgruds playing swing)
Bench
6th Man- Wally
loser of Russel/Mcgruds
winner of jhr/asprilla
winner of irving/sprads
loser of jhr/asprilla
loser of irving/sprads
ENERGY jr.- ojeleye
Make no mistake, we will go 10 deep for a while. Will be interesting to see: if Frank really believes what he's said about jamar at the 3, and if he does, if that means we are going to start to get big really fast (and crowded at the 2/3). If i had to guess, I think Jamar starts and Wally becomes first off the bench and starts getting schooled on hitting quick turnarounds/elbows and gets with c-kel to learn some moves.
If so, we could be throwing out some vintage oSu tweener specials and just out-physical/out-length/out-athletic pretty much anyone. Then again, we already lost a TON of speed at pg and the size will compound our transition game problems.
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I could see Irving starting at the 1 and Pullen at the 2, but rotating duties based on the matchups we are looking for. Especially with Irving's knack for defense, although Russell looked tons better @tech.
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Irving just needs some confidence offensively. Besides "scoring the ball" I was pretty pleased with how he played yesterday.
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I just suspect that russell's size will be alluring assuming irving is what he is and nick gets better. (What I assume)
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I just suspect that russell's size will be alluring assuming irving is what he is and nick gets better. (What I assume)
I'm with you on this. I think Irving is closer to hitting his ceiling and Russell has more potential...though not entirely sure why I think this
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I just suspect that russell's size will be alluring assuming irving is what he is and nick gets better. (What I assume)
I'm with you on this. I think Irving is closer to hitting his ceiling and Russell has more potential...though not entirely sure why I think this
when i first saw russell, immediatley thought of clent stewart :dunno:
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I just suspect that russell's size will be alluring assuming irving is what he is and nick gets better. (What I assume)
I'm with you on this. I think Irving is closer to hitting his ceiling and Russell has more potential...though not entirely sure why I think this
Probably not rational. Back QB/PG syndrome. Remember ksufans schyler thomas love?
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I just suspect that russell's size will be alluring assuming irving is what he is and nick gets better. (What I assume)
I'm with you on this. I think Irving is closer to hitting his ceiling and Russell has more potential...though not entirely sure why I think this
Probably not rational. Back QB/PG syndrome. Remember ksufans schyler thomas love?
Yea, but I think that was more rooted in a bunch of very low talent/high effort 2A basketball players relating to a player (as this was the case with me)
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Especially with Irving's knack for defense
already tired of hearing this.
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Especially with Irving's knack for defense
already tired of hearing this.
This. Hate it when posters on a KSU athletics message board compliment KSU athletes. :curse:
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Especially with Irving's knack for defense
already tired of hearing this.
he's a good defender isn't he? is there another reason he's out there? maybe that he doesn't turn the ball over and can handle pressure. he has trouble scoring but i do like his confidence shooting.
i see him kind of like Sutton but w/ more confidence in this scoring ability which might pay off in the long run.
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Irving is really slow
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Irving is really slow
but since he's a frackin linebacker, it is very had to get around him. And he's not REALLY slow
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Irving is really slow
Really slow is a bit much, but he isn't super fast. But sort of the opposite of Denis, he has decent lateral quickness. His biggest problem is that he hasn't completely adjusted to the speed of the game, ie. when an offensive player goes north-south at full speed against him, he doesn't turn and run with the guy soon enough and gets beat. Sort of like a defensive back's cushion in football. Fortunately when this happens he usually fouls before the guy can get to the rim for a lay-up.
That said, he is big enough and physical enough to play pretty solid defense in half court sets b/c he doesn't get knocked off nearly as easy by ball screens, etc. like Russell and McGruder do, and this is a big reason he plays. Also, he handles the ball the best of the 3 FR guards, so he gets the job of spelling Denis/Jake when they get tired or in foul trouble, and the fact that he has gotten double digit minutes in every game during our 7 game winning streak only supports that.
Irving likely will never be a star and doesn't have near the upside of someone like McGruder, but he does the things that Frank wants him to do right now, and is the best fit for the minutes available. JHR is in a similar state, he does the things Frank needs right now, while clearly Judge has more upside. But Frank isn't going to play potential right now, he's going to play who he feels best helps the team win. Against Missouri we needed our best defensive players on the floor, and of the FR Irving and JHR provided that. Wed night we may need more offense, so Judge and McGruder may play more like they did the first time.
It really isn't too difficult to see how Frank is using and has used the FR this year and I'm sure the players understand it as well.
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irving reminds me of blake young v.2
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irving reminds me of blake young v.2
Excellent comparo.
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irving reminds me of blake young v.2
Excellent comparo.
yes but will have 4 years instead of 2. not sure if that's good or bad. as long as we have open schollies it can't be too bad.
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I don't like Irving at all as a basketball player. As a human he seems pretty great. This is very strange for me because these two things should be mutually exclusive.
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I don't like Irving at all as a basketball player. As a human he seems pretty great. This is very strange for me because these two things should be mutually exclusive.
if he couldn't dance so damn well.... i would most likely hate him.
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I don't like Irving at all as a basketball player. As a human he seems pretty great. This is very strange for me because these two things should be mutually exclusive.
Are you being sarcastic here?
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I don't like Irving at all as a basketball player. As a human he seems pretty great. This is very strange for me because these two things should be mutually exclusive.
i think he has good on-court instincts. knows the game and knows where to be. but. it'll be a huge drop off when he's starting PG next year.
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I don't like Irving at all as a basketball player. As a human he seems pretty great. This is very strange for me because these two things should be mutually exclusive.
Are you being sarcastic here?
Not at all
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MartIrv wishes he was Blake Young.
I agree w/ SD. MartIrv is a garbage basketball player. Fantastic human, though.
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Blake Young didn't set the bar too high. If Irving develops at the rate that an average frankmartinbasketball player does, he beats Young easily.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31792 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31792)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=45643 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=45643)
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Irving is better than blake young. blake young was really, really, really bad at basketball.
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Irving is better than blake young. blake young was really, really, really bad at basketball.
they're really nothing alike as players. maybe as people.
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Irving is better than blake young. blake young was really, really, really bad at basketball.
they're really nothing alike as players. maybe as people.
both hop around w/ ball. kinda bouncy instead of walking flat w/ ball when dribbling.
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Irving is better than blake young. blake young was really, really, really bad at basketball.
they're really nothing alike as players. maybe as people.
both hop around w/ ball. kinda bouncy instead of walking flat w/ ball when dribbling.
hair
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Irving is better than blake young. blake young was really, really, really bad at basketball.
they're really nothing alike as players. maybe as people.
No one can possibly love shoes as much as blake young loves shoes.
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Irving is better than blake young. blake young was really, really, really bad at basketball.
they're really nothing alike as players. maybe as people.
both hop around w/ ball. kinda bouncy instead of walking flat w/ ball when dribbling.
hair
yup, hair too, basically i've just proven they are identical. hair/bouncing, etc.
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I don't like Irving at all as a basketball player. As a human he seems pretty great. This is very strange for me because these two things should be mutually exclusive.
Are you being sarcastic here?
Not at all
MCMW!