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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Coley on August 05, 2011, 09:40:24 PM
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Why does everyone hate/seem to hate him on here? :confused: :ck: :dunno:
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Cause he's not Gary Patterson
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Because when Ron Prince employees a terrible DC, he gets ran off and called the worst head coach of all time. When Bill employees a terrible DC because he's part of the "family" and continues to pull in some of the worst recruiting classes in the BCS, we can't fire him.
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Won't fire his assistant coaches and the inability to bring in a salvageable QB.
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Not many honestly hate LHC Bill Snyder its just the aura that surrounds Snyder and what he and K-State are together as a whole, a crutch for one an other.
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Not many honestly hate LHC Bill Snyder its just the aura that surrounds Snyder and what he and K-State are together as a whole, a crutch for one an other.
Yeah, that pretty much says it all right there, man.
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Hate him, scholarship to crap grandson, gets paid way too much
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I don't hate him, but I'd prefer just about anybody else on the planet* be our head coach.
*This excludes other "un-firable" people.
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I hate that he has held our school hostage for his own selfish benefit.
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I hate that he has held our school hostage for his own selfish benefit.
oh jesus. do you and KK read the same script?? :dubious:
Love Bill, but it's time he starts winning again.
It's time.
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I hate that he has held our school hostage for his own selfish benefit.
oh jesus. do you and KK read the same script?? :dubious:
Love Bill, but it's time he starts winning again.
It's time.
he wins whether we win or not. think about that long and hard fff (friend)
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If Bill wins 10 games this year, I'll love the crap out of him once again. Hell, I'd even take 9.
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If Bill wins 10 games this year, I'll love the crap out of him once again. Hell, I'd even take 9.
If we don't have the worst BCS DC we win 9 last year, and he brought back the same DC again.
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If Bill wins 10 games this year, I'll love the crap out of him once again. Hell, I'd even take 9.
If we don't have the worst BCS DC we win 9 last year, and he brought back the same DC again.
Yep. If the results are the same this year, you can bet the grassroots "Fire Cosh" campaign will turn into a full blown grassroots "fire Snyder" campaign.
Our voices will be heard.
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If Bill wins 10 games this year, I'll love the crap out of him once again. Hell, I'd even take 9.
If we don't have the worst BCS DC we win 9 last year, and he brought back the same DC again.
Yep. If the results are the same this year, you can bet the grassroots "Fire Cosh" campaign will turn into a full blown grassroots "fire Snyder" campaign.
Our voices will be heard.
I'd be down with this. And I'm not even an extremist like most people on goEMAW :surprised:
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Admiration above no other. Would never be able to express how much I respect the man.
SD, :opcat:
Patterson, :kstategrad:
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Cause he's not Gary Patterson
Ya, I wish we had him instead.
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Why does everyone hate/seem to hate him on here? :confused: :ck: :dunno:
Cause some people always need a reason to bitch.
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Why so much anomousity towards Coach Snyder? Many on here can't rid of him fast enough. All he has done is perform at K-State, been loyal and got a very good 2011 recruiting class. Don't you think he knows when it is time to retire?
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you need this thread to be a poll :comeatme:
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Why does everyone hate/seem to hate him on here? :confused: :ck: :dunno:
If you buy the autographed pic he sent to Cole for $2500 that will be donated to BBBS, I won't hate him anymore.
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If Bill wins 10 games this year, I'll love the crap out of him once again. Hell, I'd even take 9.
If we don't have the worst BCS DC we win 9 last year, and he brought back the same DC again.
Bill Belicek couldn't have coached that "talent" to a nine win season. Which brings up the main reason he is hated: he has aged into the worst recruiting HC in the Big 12.
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Why so much anomousity towards Coach Snyder? Many on here can't rid of him fast enough. All he has done is perform at K-State, been loyal and got a very good 2011 recruiting class. Don't you think he knows when it is time to retire?
Do you follow recruiting other than on powerespect sites? That 2011 class was ranked dead last in the conference by both Rivals and Scout.
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Why so much anomousity towards Coach Snyder? Many on here can't rid of him fast enough. All he has done is perform at K-State, been loyal and got a very good 2011 recruiting class. Don't you think he knows when it is time to retire?
How much would you donate to BBBS for a signed 8x10 photo of OBz with a message about good grades to a youngster?
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If Bill wins 10 games this year, I'll love the crap out of him once again. Hell, I'd even take 9.
If we don't have the worst BCS DC we win 9 last year, and he brought back the same DC again.
Bill Belicek couldn't have coached that "talent" to a nine win season. Which brings up the main reason he is hated: he has aged into the worst recruiting HC in the Big 12.
All we had to do was stop Baylor and Colorado on a couple drives. :dubious:
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Why so much anomousity towards Coach Snyder? Many on here can't rid of him fast enough. All he has done is perform at K-State, been loyal and got a very good 2011 recruiting class. Don't you think he knows when it is time to retire?
How much would you donate to BBBS for a signed 8x10 photo of OBz with a message about good grades to a youngster?
lol
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Why does everyone hate/seem to hate him on here? :confused: :ck: :dunno:
I DONT KNOW!? :dunno:
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I love LHC Bill Snyder but I wish he wasn't our coach. He doesn't want what's best for us.
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When has Snyder ever had a top rated or even middle of the pack recruiting class? We have 10 Jucos for goodness sake, which do not even enter into the rankings. Look at what Snyder did after Stoops did his best to sabotage us in 1998. We are going to have a good team this year(predicting 8-4) and a stellar year in 2012. Unfortunately, there are some reprobates on here when it comes to K-State football. Look at 2009 and the pile of dung Snyder inherited. If Grant Gregory didn't have two bad shoulders(which we didn't know about at the time) we probably would have easily won 2 more games and gone 8-4 and a bowl game. Anyway, my glass is always half full and some you have 90% empty. Enjoy your pessimism and throwing what you think are cute epithats and I will the enjoy the successful season as it unfolds.
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When has Snyder ever had a top rated or even middle of the pack recruiting class? We have 10 Jucos for goodness sake, which do not even enter into the rankings. Look at what Snyder did after Stoops did his best to sabotage us in 1998. We are going to have a good team this year(predicting 8-4) and a stellar year in 2012. Unfortunately, there are some reprobates on here when it comes to K-State football. Look at 2009 and the pile of dung Snyder inherited. If Grant Gregory didn't have two bad shoulders(which we didn't know about at the time) we probably would have easily won 2 more games and gone 8-4 and a bowl game. Anyway, my glass is always half full and some you have 90% empty. Enjoy your pessimism and throwing what you think are cute epithats and I will the enjoy the successful season as it unfolds.
Finally, someone said it. :babywillie:
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Yeah, I want Gary Patterson because he has such a good personality. The guy's an introvert but I guess he can coach or maybe he can get good assistants.
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Yeah, I want Gary Patterson because he has such a good personality. The guy's an introvert but I guess he can coach or maybe he can get good assistants.
And he wins BCS bowls all the time
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LOL at thinking our 2011 class is "very good".
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LOL at thinking our 2011 class is "very good".
Go back to the gopowerespect site and see the post about HCBS keeping Cosh because this is the best job he will ever get again and Snyder won't fire him, and you will understand. Cosh's inability to adjust cost us the Baylor and Colorado games last year. Vic seemed to do just find with the pile of dung he was left, but HCBS managed to run him off after 1 year.
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When has Snyder ever had a top rated or even middle of the pack recruiting class? We have 10 Jucos for goodness sake, which do not even enter into the rankings. Look at what Snyder did after Stoops did his best to sabotage us in 1998. We are going to have a good team this year(predicting 8-4) and a stellar year in 2012. Unfortunately, there are some reprobates on here when it comes to K-State football. Look at 2009 and the pile of dung Snyder inherited. If Grant Gregory didn't have two bad shoulders(which we didn't know about at the time) we probably would have easily won 2 more games and gone 8-4 and a bowl game. Anyway, my glass is always half full and some you have 90% empty. Enjoy your pessimism and throwing what you think are cute epithats and I will the enjoy the successful season as it unfolds.
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LOL at thinking our 2011 class is "very good".
It might be decent who knows. On paper it looks pretty good to me compared to a lot of classes we have brought in and at least they all made it to campus. We finally landed some d-lineman and a good looking dual threat QB.
I'm not one to say recruiting rankings are worthless but when damn near every player is rated 3 stars how do you really gauge recruiting rankings from one team to the next? Our class sucks compared to TX or OU but it doesn't look much different from a lot of the rest of the teams in the league. KU's class was suppossed to be so good but why because they signed two smallish 4 star RB's? Brock Berglund probably never plays a snap, they had one kid quit already, others don't qualfy. We're just getting started and that ranking is out the window. Hell per rivals two of our highest rated highschool recruits are grey shirts and are not even really in this class that shows you how worthless the rankings are.
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Yeah, I want Gary Patterson because he has such a good personality. The guy's an introvert but I guess he can coach or maybe he can get good assistants.
I hate what HCBS stands for because people like you make posts like this. The guy just won the effing Rose Bowl and you complain about his personality. The HC has a responsibility to do whatever it takes to win as many games as possible, yet he chooses to keep Cosh in charge of the defense because Cosh is part of the family.
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let's run the negative nancys out of here. we outnumber them badly. invite your pro-snyder friends to goEMAW.com.
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Snyds was great. To me, he's EXACTLY like Blockbuster, Inc.
He changed the business, kicked ass and took names.
...then....things changed. It wasn't him, necessarily...it was the world. The competitors were doing things he was either incapable of doing or, worse, unwilling.
He can still "perform," but he's not special anymore. No "better" than the other "best," and probably just "good." But, he's probably the best we can get in our little town without Wifi and no McDonalds Redbox.
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Recruiting rankings don't matter because for instance Texas went 5-7 last year.
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I don't "hate" Snyder....but if you were going to, the number one reason (maybe the only good reason), is that he's never fired an assistant coach, and hasn't hired one of exceeding quality since before 2003.
He seems willing to just surround himself with cronies and people who will stay at their desk the requisite amount of time. It's harder work to mentor and train young, talented, AC's than it is to just close the door to your office and poor over film by yourself for 8 more hours a night. He's taking the EASY way out...
THAT is the truth.
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Why so much anomousity towards Coach Snyder? Many on here can't rid of him fast enough. All he has done is perform at K-State, been loyal and got a very good 2011 recruiting class. Don't you think he knows when it is time to retire?
his history of already having retired and then coming out of retirement to take the exact same job that he had previously retired from a few years earlier would lead any rational thinking human to believe that the answer to you question is no.
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he's also doing everything in his power to make sure Sean, who has never held down a job in his life, is our next hc. that's another reason.
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he's also doing everything in his power to make sure Sean, who has never held down a job in his life, is our next hc. that's another reason.
And some actually commend Sean for pushing his dad back into coaching, as if Sean had no motives at all.
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Here are my reasons:
He's 22-25 in his last 4 seasons.
His staff is awful.
He refuses to fire members of his staff who have proven to be awful.
He hired his completely unqualified son to become a member of an already unqualified staff.
We finished dead last in the 2011 conference recruiting rankings.
He ruined any chance we had to hire a good, young coach when he decided to come out of retirement.
He's not fun or interesting to listen to.
He is a short term band-aid when we are in need of a long term solution.
It appears as if he is trying to maneuver Sean into position to be our next HC.
He doesn't do anything innovative, different, or exciting in regards to any aspect of the football program. (I also hate the fact that everyone thinks this is a good thing since Prince tried it and it didn't work)
The clause in his contract where he gets paid for the rest of his life to assist the AD or whatever.
Tate has an athletic scholarship.
There are more. But I'm too upset right now.
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I hate that he won't change our uniforms.
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It's really hard to be the guy that follows 'The Guy". We had that guy fired and were ready to hire the guy that follows the guy that follows "The Guy". :blank:
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Hey, enjoy being miserable 24/7 losers.
It's better to be delusional and happy, than to completely recognize you suck and be miserable all the time.
Thank you.
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It nags at me every day that we could have had Gary Patterson......Gary rough ridin' Patterson.
We would be entering his THIRD rough ridin' year, too. It would have been real progress, a real long term solution.
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It nags at me every day that we could have had Gary Patterson......Gary rough ridin' Patterson.
We would be entering his THIRD rough ridin' year, too. It would have been real progress, a real long term solution.
mike leach would be on the first jet to MHK if we offered him
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It nags at me every day that we could have had Gary Patterson......Gary rough ridin' Patterson.
We would be entering his THIRD rough ridin' year, too. It would have been real progress, a real long term solution.
mike leach would be on the first jet to MHK if we offered him
Ice is cold, sun is hot, I love Mike Leach.
THIS STATEMENT IS TO ANYONE WHO HAS EVER HAD ANY INTERACTION WITH MIKE LEACH....TELL HIM THAT THE RAVEN FLIES AT MIDNIGHT. MIDNIGHT.
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I would feel a lot better if I took lots of drugs before reading this thread. :lynchmob:
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i hate snyder with a passion. a passion.
he took a horrible program and made it mediocre for 10 years, and had a fluke confy championship one year, and people act like he's the greatest coach of all time.
with his 1 confy championship and $5, i could buy a $5 footlong at subway.
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i hate snyder with a passion. a passion.
he took a horrible program and made it mediocre for 10 years, and had a fluke confy championship one year, and people act like he's the greatest coach of all time.
with his 1 confy championship and $5, i could buy a $5 footlong at subway.
Yet many on this board slobber all over Frank's nuts. What's the difference?
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i hate snyder with a passion. a passion.
he took a horrible program and made it mediocre for 10 years, and had a fluke confy championship one year, and people act like he's the greatest coach of all time.
with his 1 confy championship and $5, i could buy a $5 footlong at subway.
Yet many on this board slobber all over Frank's nuts. What's the difference?
Give it time.
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i hate snyder with a passion. a passion.
he took a horrible program and made it mediocre for 10 years, and had a fluke confy championship one year, and people act like he's the greatest coach of all time.
with his 1 confy championship and $5, i could buy a $5 footlong at subway.
Yet many on this board slobber all over Frank's nuts. What's the difference?
frank hasn't been at kstate for 10 years, tuck.
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Bill snyders family is swindling ksu for millions
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i hate snyder with a passion. a passion.
he took a horrible program and made it mediocre for 10 years, and had a fluke confy championship one year, and people act like he's the greatest coach of all time.
with his 1 confy championship and $5, i could buy a $5 footlong at subway.
Yet many on this board slobber all over Frank's nuts. What's the difference?
frank hasn't been at kstate for 10 years, tuck.
and he wouldn't be if Miami came calling, respect
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Serious question, is the average age on here under 30? No comprehension on here of the obstacles K-State has to build a big-time program.
1. Small WHITE population
2. Surrounded by established major powers, OU, NU, MU, OU and OSU
3. 130 miles from KC and our major rival only 40 miles from KC
4. Limited social life, in general, for African-American athletes
5. Difficulty getting to remote Manhattan(AA has enhanced that recently)
6. Football infrastructure vastly inferior prior to Snyder. Not that great now.
7. Still lack of funds compared to competitors for recruiting and building improvements.
8. How does Sean suck without him given a chance. Were you around to say that before he became an
All-American punter
9. Tate may end up a real stud. He was first team All-State in 5A
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Serious question, is the average age on here under 30? No comprehension on here of the obstacles K-State has to build a big-time program.
1. Small WHITE population
2. Surrounded by established major powers, OU, NU, MU, OU and OSU
3. 130 miles from KC and our major rival only 40 miles from KC
4. Limited social life, in general, for African-American athletes
5. Difficulty getting to remote Manhattan(AA has enhanced that recently)
6. Football infrastructure vastly inferior prior to Snyder. Not that great now.
7. Still lack of funds compared to competitors for recruiting and building improvements.
8. How does Sean suck without him given a chance. Were you around to say that before he became an
All-American punter
9. Tate may end up a real stud. He was first team All-State in 5A
:popcorn:
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1. he was partially responsible for the destruction of kstate men's bball during my formative years.
2. he was rude to me at a bball game once.
3. some of his players were among the worst humans i've ever played bball with.
4. some other players of his threw bricks at a puppy.
that's the list, i think. and it's more than enough.
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5A
Manhattan is a 6a you rough rider and don't ever forget that
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I don't "hate" Snyder....but if you were going to, the number one reason (maybe the only good reason), is that he's never fired an assistant coach, and hasn't hired one of exceeding quality since before 2003.
He seems willing to just surround himself with cronies and people who will stay at their desk the requisite amount of time. It's harder work to mentor and train young, talented, AC's than it is to just close the door to your office and poor over film by yourself for 8 more hours a night. He's taking the EASY way out...
THAT is the truth.
Pretty much where Im at. Snyds can still coach offense like a wizard, but his lack of willingness to make appropriate hires/fires on the defensive side of the ball is maddening. Still love Snyds.
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Guys, his recruiting sucks because Manhattan, KS is a recruiting "black hole." Same for his assistants. Nobody wants to work/live in Manhattan, KS. Now excuse me while I blast emails at ESPN for making fun of Manhattan that one time.
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Cause he's not Gary Patterson
that's Debatable
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I know you guys probably don't want to hear it, but he's a hell of a lot better than Prince. Yeah, he does have too much loyalty at times in the firing category, but crap, that's who he is. At least B. Snyder is winning us games, and to that fact lets be realistic, we should be thankful if we get 7-8 wins per year, and quit begging for 10,11 win seasons. Getting to bowl games is all I care about. Recruiting wise, yeah it'd probably help out if Snyder wasn't as old, and if we had a younger coach, but crap, It's Manhattan, Kansas.
Maybe K-State fan-base is TOO greedy?
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I know you guys probably don't want to hear it, but he's a hell of a lot better than Prince. Yeah, he does have too much loyalty at times in the firing category, but crap, that's who he is. At least B. Snyder is winning us games, and to that fact lets be realistic, we should be thankful if we get 7-8 wins per year, and quit begging for 10,11 win seasons. Getting to bowl games is all I care about. Recruiting wise, yeah it'd probably help out if Snyder wasn't as old, and if we had a younger coach, but crap, It's Manhattan, Kansas.
Maybe K-State fan-base is TOO greedy?
Parody post?
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Serious question, is the average age on here under 30? No comprehension on here of the obstacles K-State has to build a big-time program.
1. Small WHITE population how in the eff does this jive with your number 2?
2. Surrounded by established major powers, OU, NU, MU, OU and OSU small WHITE populations
3. 130 miles from KC and our major rival only 40 miles from KC small WHITE population
4. Limited social life, in general, for African-American athletes OU, NU, MU and OSU
5. Difficulty getting to remote Manhattan(AA has enhanced that recently) ok
6. Football infrastructure vastly inferior prior to Snyder. Not that great now. this is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
7. Still lack of funds compared to competitors for recruiting and building improvements. we are rough ridin' rich
8. How does Sean suck without him given a chance. Were you around to say that before he became an
All-American punter how do I suck without giving me a chance. I've held down at least one more job in my life than Sean has....which is better than kicking a ball far
9. Tate may end up a real stud. He was first team All-State in 5A I think Tate is actually good from what I hear. that has nothing to do with him getting our money. his grandpa and dad are on our gravytrain...meanwhile we are squeezing scholly players out.
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I know you guys probably don't want to hear it, but he's a hell of a lot better than Prince. Yeah, he does have too much loyalty at times in the firing category, but crap, that's who he is. At least B. Snyder is winning us games, and to that fact lets be realistic, we should be thankful if we get 7-8 wins per year, and quit begging for 10,11 win seasons. Getting to bowl games is all I care about. Recruiting wise, yeah it'd probably help out if Snyder wasn't as old, and if we had a younger coach, but crap, It's Manhattan, Kansas.
Maybe K-State fan-base is TOO greedy?
Parody post?
Snyders record in his second round as coach is not that much better than Prince's.
Very glad Prince is gone, though.
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I enjoy people saying Snyds has been better than Prince. ok. they've been to the same amount of loser bowl games and neither won one. let's see how season three goes I guess.
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yeah. people saying snyder is better than prince so we should be happy are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and anyone saying snyder isn't better than prince because of snyders last few years and the similar records are equally Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). i mean we can all agree on that right? snyder is better than prince. also, wgaf? getting punched in the leg as hard as someone can punch you is better than getting punched in the face as hard as someone can punch you. i mean, what's the point?
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what if we had someone worse than prince? have you even thought about that? good grief.
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is anyone on this planet not yet on the eff jon wefald team? if not, see me for a pamphlet on membership.
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what if we had someone worse than prince? have you even thought about that? good grief.
what? like someone is going to punch me in the leg and face. simultaneously? also, I mean Snyder is here and all and I really don't have that much of an issue with it. would've rather had Patterson by a trillion miles but it is what it is. I like Snyder though. seriously. doesn't stop me from wishing that we would hire leach and fire him. in that order. so want him to prove me wrong and do great, great things in the next five years. would be amazing.
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what if we had someone worse than prince? have you even thought about that? good grief.
what? like someone is going to punch me in the leg and face. simultaneously? also, I mean Snyder is here and all and I really don't have that much of an issue with it. would've rather had Patterson by a trillion miles but it is what it is. I like Snyder though. seriously. doesn't stop me from wishing that we would hire leach and fire him. in that order. so want him to prove me wrong and do great, great things in the next five years. would be amazing.
yeah, leach begging for the job as we speak. thoughts?
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pretty sure leach doesn't have a loser son that has never had a job in his life that he's going to try to make our next coach. not 100% sure on that but fairly confident.
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is anyone on this planet not yet on the eff jon wefald team? if not, see me for a pamphlet on membership.
still available
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what if we had someone worse than prince? have you even thought about that? good grief.
what? like someone is going to punch me in the leg and face. simultaneously? also, I mean Snyder is here and all and I really don't have that much of an issue with it. would've rather had Patterson by a trillion miles but it is what it is. I like Snyder though. seriously. doesn't stop me from wishing that we would hire leach and fire him. in that order. so want him to prove me wrong and do great, great things in the next five years. would be amazing.
yeah, leach begging for the job as we speak. thoughts?
hire leach and fire Snyder. immediately.
also, I may have come off too pro snyds on my post. dunno. I mean, damn though... I would love to see the old crafty bastard pull it off in 2014 with all American Tate Snyder leading the way. I mean Jesus.
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Threads like this are one reason I like having the old man around.
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what if we had someone worse than prince? have you even thought about that? good grief.
what? like someone is going to punch me in the leg and face. simultaneously? also, I mean Snyder is here and all and I really don't have that much of an issue with it. would've rather had Patterson by a trillion miles but it is what it is. I like Snyder though. seriously. doesn't stop me from wishing that we would hire leach and fire him. in that order. so want him to prove me wrong and do great, great things in the next five years. would be amazing.
yeah, leach begging for the job as we speak. thoughts?
Then hire Mike, and fire Bill....just as daris suggests
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Hiring Leach for football would be equivalent to when they hired Huggins for basketball. He's a good coach, just don't like his offense. Back to Snyds though, It is what it is, as much as some people want us to have a different coach and for the AD to fire/hire a new coach, It's not going to happen. Just deal with it. We can't change it, so quit bitching and complaining about what we have now.
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Maybe Mark May will do a comparison of Prince x3 years and Snyder x3 years. :peek:
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Hiring Leach for football would be equivalent to when they hired Huggins for basketball. He's a good coach, just don't like his offense. Back to Snyds though, It is what it is, as much as some people want us to have a different coach and for the AD to fire/hire a new coach, It's not going to happen. Just deal with it. We can't change it, so quit bitching and complaining about what we have now.
We know, but the almost having Gary Patterson just doesn't sit well....and never will
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Hiring Leach for football would be equivalent to when they hired Huggins for basketball. He's a good coach, just don't like his offense. Back to Snyds though, It is what it is, as much as some people want us to have a different coach and for the AD to fire/hire a new coach, It's not going to happen. Just deal with it. We can't change it, so quit bitching and complaining about what we have now.
We know, but the almost having Gary Patterson just doesn't sit well....and never will
you know how close we were for a FACT then?
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Hiring Leach for football would be equivalent to when they hired Huggins for basketball. He's a good coach, just don't like his offense. Back to Snyds though, It is what it is, as much as some people want us to have a different coach and for the AD to fire/hire a new coach, It's not going to happen. Just deal with it. We can't change it, so quit bitching and complaining about what we have now.
We know, but the almost having Gary Patterson just doesn't sit well....and never will
you know how close we were for a FACT then?
Pretty damn close, by my understanding
But I'm not the expert on the issue. Others on the board know the hows/whys better than I do
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Yeah, it would have been great to get Patterson. It didn't happen, It's old news. Let's move on. Let's put on our big boy pants and just deal with what we got and make the best of it. Seeing all the people B*tch about it on here gets old. Them thinking if they complain about it, it'll change something is stupid and pointless. I just don't it.
Does that make any sense at all? If not, let me know.
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Yeah, it would have been great to get Patterson. It didn't happen, It's old news. Let's move on. Let's put on our big boy pants and just deal with what we got and make the best of it. Seeing all the people B*tch about it on here gets old. Them thinking if they complain about it, it'll change something is stupid and pointless. I just don't it.
Does that make any sense at all? If not, let me know.
No it does, and I agree.
But sometimes, its just like "god damnit."
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Yeah, it would have been great to get Patterson. It didn't happen, It's old news. Let's move on. Let's put on our big boy pants and just deal with what we got and make the best of it. Seeing all the people B*tch about it on here gets old. Them thinking if they complain about it, it'll change something is stupid and pointless. I just don't it.
Does that make any sense at all? If not, let me know.
No it does, and I agree.
But sometimes, its just like "god damnit."
Yeah, I know the feeling. It goes with a lot of things in life. This is just a less serious scenario. That everybody else needs to move on from, but yes I know what you mean by that feeling.
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Like a russian mail-order bride that gets old and is no longer attractive and has none of the attributes that made her a hall-of-fame level wife, OBz is replaceable.
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Like a russian mail-order bride that gets old and is no longer attractive and has none of the attributes that made her a hall-of-fame level wife, OBz is replaceable.
:thumbs:
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I mean JFC, I cringe to think about how some of the 'tucks would run a business. Say you have Old Balls Family Nameless Corporation, inc. Your company has been given the following disadvantages:
-You are in a remote location with a small population base to buy your products
-There are other well-established companies within your vicinity that have a much better business record than yours
-It's generally difficult to recruit top-flight business talent to your corporation, but it's possible to pick off the occasional superstar
-Your company was on the brink of bankruptcy and folding for years until CEO Old Balls came along.
However, you have the following advantages:
-There is more regional interest in your company than your in-state rival because they're just flat out incompetent except for a blue moon every 10-15 years
-You may not be rolling in cash like BobStoopsBag'O'Dicks, ltd or MackBrownGoldPlatedBoxerBriefs, Inc., but you have enough money to be fairly competitive with a good number of your rivals
-There is at least a precedent of success and major profits back when CEO Old Balls took advantage of some down years of companies in Texas and Oklahoma and was able to recruit enough business talent to be a major pain in the ass to NebraskaDenimOveralls, Inc.
So, CEO Old Balls steps down a few years ago after a couple of underwhelming years and they bring in some smooth-talking dude who sells the dumbass company board with a bunch of content-less motivational synergy talk. He proceeds to expose himself as a good business talent recruiter who is completely incompetent in all other areas. CEO Scary Smart gets unceremoniously shitcanned and proceeds to embarrass the company by claiming that the head of the company board gave him a secret agreement that gives him a shitload of money. The shareholders more or less set their underpants on fire in mass panic. The search for the new CEO nearly nets an up-and-comer that's essentially the most sought-after name in business that hasn't yet established himself as a top-flight CEO. However, the dumbass company board and their marketing department (Fitz) let news leak that they're going to lure him from a firm that he's been very loyal to, and the up-and-comer flips crap and bugs out. Internal politics may have also been in play regarding the information leak, but there's no way for the shareholders to know what happened other than word of mouth. The company board then goes entirely into panic mode and brings back CEO Old Balls to appease the shareholders. It's not an optimal situation and not likely to work out long term, but it at least gives a veneer of stability.
CEO OB proceeds to do a good job in rebuilding the one thing he's always been good at: innovating and creating new products. However, he's always been too hard-nosed to keep any good leaders (outside of the innovation department) yet he's too soft to fire anyone too incompetent to lead a department, such as patenting. After running off the one good patenting department head that the company has had in years, he brings back a retread who has never established himself as anything better than mediocre and has no track record of recruiting any patenting experts. Due to the current head of patenting being utterly incompetent and refusing to adjust to the realities of today's marketplace, other companies proceed to raid the innovations of Old Balls Family Nameless Corporation, inc. and take their ideas before OBFNC can patent them. The company could've had a very good, productive year in 2010 if it weren't for spies from BaylorBibleBeltBuckles, Inc. and ColoradoGreenSmokeSolutions, LLC. taking ideas that could've easily been patented with a few internal adjustments. However, CEO Old Balls does not recognize this and proceeds to thank his patenting director for yet another loyal year of service. He then goes back to his office to read the company innovation reports and not say a word to a single member of his staff. It becomes clear that he's not going to change a single thing about what he does, and in today's marketplace his strategies will give the company a ceiling of one potentially good year of profits out of a majority of years that break even or show a slight loss in profits.
It also comes to light that CEO Old Balls has put his hand in the company cookie jar by doling out some of what should be company money to his kids and extended family instead.
Now, here's the point where a normal business would have the shareholders and company board (which is now not blatantly incompetent) come together and demand solutions to improve the bottom line for Fiscal Year 2011. They'd be irate at the rate of leaked information about company innovations and possibly the CEO taking company money for personal use. They would likely clamor for one of two things: a minimal but necessary response of demanding a change in mindset and planning from the top levels of leadership, or going all-out and giving the current CEO and his leaders golden parachute buyout packages.
In this case, the shareholders of Old Balls Family Nameless Corporation, Inc., aside from a very vocal minority, demand neither, and say that they are just fine and happy with breaking even for the next 5 years and not maximizing profits because, goddamnit, CEO Old Balls once had us rolling in cash and we never were able to do that before he came here!
Tucks, your arguments have no clothes. I'm actually one of those who wouldn't mind keeping Snyder around as long as he shows a commitment to changing his S.O.P. aside from offensive coaching, but it's pretty clear that he's not going to do that. And why should he? He has no pressure from his so-called shareholders--YOU--which means that the company board (ADJC and UPKS) has no incentive to make him change anything. Your mindset is wholly illogical and accepts eternal mediocrity. It has pervaded in nearly every facet of KSU for far too many years, and the school is just now starting to make strides in both athletics and academics in shaking off the extensive damage that this mindset has done. Either accept that there are those that demand more than mediocrity or have the decency to get out of the way.
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Snyds was great. To me, he's EXACTLY like Blockbuster, Inc.
He changed the business, kicked ass and took names.
...then....things changed. It wasn't him, necessarily...it was the world. The competitors were doing things he was either incapable of doing or, worse, unwilling.
He can still "perform," but he's not special anymore. No "better" than the other "best," and probably just "good." But, he's probably the best we can get in our little town without Wifi and no McDonalds Redbox.
this is great. Although I think we can get a McDonald's Redbox, at least.
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I don't "hate" Snyder....but if you were going to, the number one reason (maybe the only good reason), is that he's never fired an assistant coach, and hasn't hired one of exceeding quality since before 2003.
He seems willing to just surround himself with cronies and people who will stay at their desk the requisite amount of time. It's harder work to mentor and train young, talented, AC's than it is to just close the door to your office and poor over film by yourself for 8 more hours a night. He's taking the EASY way out...
THAT is the truth.
Pretty much where Im at. Snyds can still coach offense like a wizard, but his lack of willingness to make appropriate hires/fires on the defensive side of the ball is maddening. Still love Snyds.
I pretty much agree with this. I like Snyder and think he is a heck of a coach, especially offensively. There was a time when he was the best possible choice for K-State and a great coach, unfortunately that time has past. I still respect him for his body of work, even with the last 4 mediocre years and hope he and K-State can move on soon. I would love for Mike Leach to be our next head coach.
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Because his second tenure represents the massive inferiority complex of our Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fan base. And only feeds their mindless belief that no other coach will ever be able to win at K-State other Snyder, so we might as well just sit back and accept the perpetual mediocrity because it's as good as it gets around here.
Proud of OB for the house he built, though.
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I think OBz is GREAT, and I'm very happy to have him. I just get nervous about the future. Is there a vision for the program? I would feel much better if he had some hot-shot coordinators working with him.
I mean, who replaced Ludwig & Keonning? Anyone? Are those positions still open?
OBz would be total bad ass if he just had some guns at sides.
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I think OBz is GREAT, and I'm very happy to have him. I just get nervous about the future. Is there a vision for the program? I would feel much better if he had some hot-shot coordinators working with him.
I mean, who replaced Ludwig & Keonning? Anyone? Are those positions still open?
OBz would be total bad ass if he just had some guns at sides.
Guns always make everything better.
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Nobody does analogies like goEMAW.com.
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The answer is because the people who post on this message board are weak-willed lilly-livered cowards who hide behind their anonymity to blast the best thing that has ever happened to Kansas State University.
There would be no Kansas State Football without LHCBS. This is an indisputable fact.
No other coach will EVER succeed at Kansas State unless they are groomed by LHCBS. This fact was proven when that hood-rat from Maryland came along and arrogantly refused any of LHCBS's help. Sure we got hip-hop football in Manhattan, but it sure as hell wasn't K-State football. Finally people like me finally ran the Barack Obama of coaches out of town, but the little panty-wastes on this site still didn't get the picture. Only a certain pedigree of man can run this ship and who has a better pedigree than RHP Sean Snyder? No one.
These are facts:
1) LHCBS is the best coach KSU can and will ever get.
2) There is 0 (zero) chance of success for a head coach outside of the Snyder tree.
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Whoever is doing the noudj isn't even trying anymore. Sad really
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The answer is because the people who post on this message board are weak-willed lilly-livered cowards who hide behind their anonymity to blast the best thing that has ever happened to Kansas State University.
There would be no Kansas State Football without LHCBS. This is an indisputable fact.
No other coach will EVER succeed at Kansas State unless they are groomed by LHCBS. This fact was proven when that hood-rat from Maryland came along and arrogantly refused any of LHCBS's help. Sure we got hip-hop football in Manhattan, but it sure as hell wasn't K-State football. Finally people like me finally ran the Barack Obama of coaches out of town, but the little panty-wastes on this site still didn't get the picture. Only a certain pedigree of man can run this ship and who has a better pedigree than RHP Sean Snyder? No one.
These are facts:
1) LHCBS is the best coach KSU can and will ever get.
2) There is 0 (zero) chance of success for a head coach outside of the Snyder tree.
OB was an instrumental tool in creating KSU football, but it became what it is because of KSU, not because of Bill. A decision was made to make KSU football relevant. Millions of people donated time, money & energy in creating KSU football in what it was. Would WWII have happened if Hitler not been around? The answer is yes. Hitler was a tool that manifested the collective thoughts of the german people. If it was not for the collective will of millions of people - Hitlers power would have been over no one.
Would KSU football have been relevant without LHC Bill Snyder? Yes. Because hundreds of thousands of people would have found someone else to give them pride &/or entertainment from their university. This is not detracting from the job that Bill did. It is stating that it would not have been possible without all of KSU's energy focused in that direction.
The problem appears to many that Bills efforts & energy are no longer aligned with the will strictly of KSU. Either Bills efforts have changed to take on a more personal level with the university being 2nd or the universities efforts of being an elite football program are no longer priority #1. You're free to make your own assessment on which is true - but I will supply the facts that in the past 2 years - Several plans to renovate & better the stadium have been set into motion and completed by the university. And Bill has given his son & his grandson roles in the programs revival regardless of many critics suggestions that much more qualified & motivated options were available.
This is nothing that has caused me to HATE LHC Bill Snyder; in fact, that is something I commend on a personal level. But to someone investing money/energy/time into making something great - It's much harder to stay focused & commit that time/energy/money to a goal that is not apparently reflective of the leaderships. KSUs goal appears to be football greatness. Bill Snyders goal appears to be Bill Snyders greatness.
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Serious question, is the average age on here under 30? No comprehension on here of the obstacles K-State has to build a big-time program.
1. Small WHITE population
2. Surrounded by established major powers, OU, NU, MU, OU and OSU
3. 130 miles from KC and our major rival only 40 miles from KC
4. Limited social life, in general, for African-American athletes
5. Difficulty getting to remote Manhattan(AA has enhanced that recently)
6. Football infrastructure vastly inferior prior to Snyder. Not that great now.
7. Still lack of funds compared to competitors for recruiting and building improvements.
8. How does Sean suck without him given a chance. Were you around to say that before he became an
All-American punter
9. Tate may end up a real stud. He was first team All-State in 5A
Over 30.
The above listed are all maters of perception. All it took was a group of people changing their mind about what reality was. From there, the tools fell into place.
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The goEMAW analogy machine is on fire with our first OBz/Hitler comparo.
OT: My phone auto-corrects Hitler to Butler. :surprised:
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Serious question, is the average age on here under 30? No comprehension on here of the obstacles K-State has to build a big-time program.
1. Small WHITE population
2. Surrounded by established major powers, OU, NU, MU, OU and OSU
3. 130 miles from KC and our major rival only 40 miles from KC
4. Limited social life, in general, for African-American athletes
5. Difficulty getting to remote Manhattan(AA has enhanced that recently)
6. Football infrastructure vastly inferior prior to Snyder. Not that great now.
7. Still lack of funds compared to competitors for recruiting and building improvements.
8. How does Sean suck without him given a chance. Were you around to say that before he became an
All-American punter
9. Tate may end up a real stud. He was first team All-State in 5A
If you honestly believe all of these then we should just join other schools like us in Conference USA/Mountain West. If you don't believe we belong in Conference USA/Mountain West then stop making excuses. It's either CUSA or no more excuses and expect the best out of KSU, pick one.
Are you starting to understand why some of us don't want him as our coach. It's because with him as coach 1/2 our fan base immediately assumes whatever happens is automatically the best that can ever happen to us. They automatically accept bottom 2 recruiting classes in the Big XII and bottom 1/3 assistant coach staff, including the worst DC, in the Big XII without any chance of anyone getting fired. They automatically accept this is the best we can be, but never realize that if all of this is actually true then we don't belong in the Big XII. In reality we belong in the Big XII just as much as ISU, OSU, Baylor, and Tech, but you people have no problem that each of them have a better 5 year plan than us. They also have a better 1 year plan than us, because in no way is Bill trying to win as many games as possible this year with Cosh running our defense.
The fact is that if Bill actually wanted what was best for KSU he would have told them to hire Patterson, and that's why I thinks he's become a controlling old man who surrounds himself with people that let him act this way because they can't get equivalent jobs anywhere else. He'd rather have control over the program than whats best for it.
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OT: My phone auto-corrects Hitler to Butler. :surprised:
your phone may not know some of the positive things hitler accomplished.
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I mean JFC, I cringe to think about how some of the 'tucks would run a business. Say you have Old Balls Family Nameless Corporation, inc.....
For me, running OB Co. comes down to investing styles (conservative vs. aggressive). I don't feel one style is clearly better than the other. I feel there are marked advantages and disadvantages in both options (fire vs. keep CEO OB). A few questions I have:
1. In my opinion, we have improved in roster depth and/or spreading out depth per class, fundamentals, conditioning, and competiveness the last couple years. We have a chance to win most games we play in rather than getting blasted by 45 points each week. Do most boards fire a CEO that is steadily improving up to this point because they aren't in the Fortune top 20 yet?
2. I would LOVE to land the next Gates, Jobs, Welch, etc., however, the sheer odds of us doing that is extremely low. This isn't defeatist, but reality. Many more executives (coaches) fail than succeed, and this holds true for even the most successful business and/or coaches (Michigan/Rodriquez, Colorado/Hawkins, A&M/Francione, etc. etc. etc.) Therefore, do we fire somebody that's improving our stock each year to hire an extremely high risk employee that has a better chance of failure than success? With success comes great, great reward, but with failure comes a drought that may not see even a hint of rain for years and years. I believe this is a personality style much more than a clearly cut right/wrong decision.
3. People can turn blue in the face stating that Patterson and/or Leach would drop everything and jump on a plane to coach in Manhattan, but what shred of proof do they have? I have NEVER seen anything by either personally stating such. What evidence do you provide?
Hey, I wish we would have hired Patterson also. I don't feel OB is a long-term solution, and I worry this could end very badly. However, I'm also happy to be improving, and the kind of donors that write big checks instead of hanging out on message boards are ponying up real cash. I think Snyds has plenty of faults, but I still think he is one hell of a coach, and can be good for our school. My biggest fear isn't what Bill does as a coach; it's how we transition into the next coach....whether it's in a few years, or when OB gets fired. I wish he would fire these old-assed has-been assistants and "attempt" to bring in a venables, bielema, etc. to groom, but I'm not the coach. I don't for one second believe he is trying to get Sean the headcoaching job though.
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1. K-State has the fewest number of sports, doesn't have bloated administrative costs/filled with guys in ties who don't do $hit (like ku for example) except accept a paycheck. So K-State can spend on football the same amount as just about everybody except for the very biggest of the schools like Florida, Texas or Ohio State.
2. Love the shirt tuck "we just can't write checks" straight out of the Tim "We actually paid that guy $750k a year" Weiser play book.
3. How do you know if no other coach besides a Snyder can work at K-State in a post Snyder era when the only test to date is Ron Prince?
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is anyone on this planet not yet on the eff jon wefald team? if not, see me for a pamphlet on membership.
still available
sd, I happen to run a rival 'eff Wefald' club, we should merge hate groups and maybe someday if we are lucky he actually will EABOD on national TV. :shakesfist:
ps Wefald Voodoo dolls have gone over really well as a gift for new members
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another thing that is stupid. Everyone on here still thinks it's funny to call him "Old Balls" "OBz" or whatever still. It's getting old. Why not call him by his name? That would make a whole hell of a lot of sense, but hell no, why would people want to do that? :facepalm:
You people act like he's the oldest coach to ever coach the game. Yeah, he's old and is a coach, get over it. Everyone gets old. You make Snyder seem like the odd man out. You people are embarrassing yourselves.
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There's no way I am the ONLY person in the world who wouldn't mind having Ronald still instead of OB. Was 10x more entertaining than either one of Bill's tenures.
Oh btw, for the tucks who think Snyder can do no wrong, just remember we were reassured Bill personally signed off on Prince after screening all the candidates. So there's that.
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another thing that is stupid. Everyone on here still thinks it's funny to call him "Old Balls" "OBz" or whatever still. It's getting old. Why not call him by his name? That would make a whole hell of a lot of sense, but hell no, why would people want to do that? :facepalm:
You people act like he's the oldest coach to ever coach the game. Yeah, he's old and is a coach, get over it. Everyone gets old. You make Snyder seem like the odd man out. You people are embarrassing yourselves.
^I agree, humor is stupid, see you in church
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another thing that is stupid. Everyone on here still thinks it's funny to call him "Old Balls" "OBz" or whatever still. It's getting old. Why not call him by his name? That would make a whole hell of a lot of sense, but hell no, why would people want to do that? :facepalm:
You people act like he's the oldest coach to ever coach the game. Yeah, he's old and is a coach, get over it. Everyone gets old. You make Snyder seem like the odd man out. You people are embarrassing yourselves.
^I agree, humor is stupid, see you in church
Yeah, I understand it's humor.
But after a while, the same humor/comedy gets lame. Hearing the same joke over and over becomes less/not funny at some point. That's with any joke at all.
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another thing that is stupid. Everyone on here still thinks it's funny to call him "Old Balls" "OBz" or whatever still. It's getting old. Why not call him by his name? That would make a whole hell of a lot of sense, but hell no, why would people want to do that? :facepalm:
You people act like he's the oldest coach to ever coach the game. Yeah, he's old and is a coach, get over it. Everyone gets old. You make Snyder seem like the odd man out. You people are embarrassing yourselves.
^I agree, humor is stupid, see you in church
Yeah, I understand it's humor.
But after a while, the same humor/comedy gets lame. Hearing the same joke over and over becomes less/not funny at some point. That's with any joke at all.
Might be time for you to back it down a little bit coley
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another thing that is stupid. Everyone on here still thinks it's funny to call him "Old Balls" "OBz" or whatever still. It's getting old. Why not call him by his name? That would make a whole hell of a lot of sense, but hell no, why would people want to do that? :facepalm:
You people act like he's the oldest coach to ever coach the game. Yeah, he's old and is a coach, get over it. Everyone gets old. You make Snyder seem like the odd man out. You people are embarrassing yourselves.
^I agree, humor is stupid, see you in church
Yeah, I understand it's humor.
But after a while, the same humor/comedy gets lame. Hearing the same joke over and over becomes less/not funny at some point. That's with any joke at all.
My point exactly. How we haven't learned our lessons from the Romans who stood around cracking jokes all the time is beyond me. Look what happened to that whole thing, down in flames. There must be a million adages out there on this subject, and all of them wise. "Time spent laughing is time not spent working", "Jokes are the refuge of the lazy and simple-minded," etc. Which btw somebody should remind Fitz because he seems to be spending a lot of time ROFL in the office lately instead of working, he's even admitted to it publicly.
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Everyone on here still thinks it's funny to call him "Old Balls" "OBz" or whatever still. It's getting old.
We should start calling the OBz joke "OBz".
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Carry on fellas, AMAZING thread !!!
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I mean JFC, I cringe to think about how some of the 'tucks would run a business. Say you have Old Balls Family Nameless Corporation, inc. Your company has been given the following disadvantages:
-You are in a remote location with a small population base to buy your products
-There are other well-established companies within your vicinity that have a much better business record than yours
-It's generally difficult to recruit top-flight business talent to your corporation, but it's possible to pick off the occasional superstar
-Your company was on the brink of bankruptcy and folding for years until CEO Old Balls came along.
However, you have the following advantages:
-There is more regional interest in your company than your in-state rival because they're just flat out incompetent except for a blue moon every 10-15 years
-You may not be rolling in cash like BobStoopsBag'O'Dicks, ltd or MackBrownGoldPlatedBoxerBriefs, Inc., but you have enough money to be fairly competitive with a good number of your rivals
-There is at least a precedent of success and major profits back when CEO Old Balls took advantage of some down years of companies in Texas and Oklahoma and was able to recruit enough business talent to be a major pain in the ass to NebraskaDenimOveralls, Inc.
So, CEO Old Balls steps down a few years ago after a couple of underwhelming years and they bring in some smooth-talking dude who sells the dumbass company board with a bunch of content-less motivational synergy talk. He proceeds to expose himself as a good business talent recruiter who is completely incompetent in all other areas. CEO Scary Smart gets unceremoniously shitcanned and proceeds to embarrass the company by claiming that the head of the company board gave him a secret agreement that gives him a shitload of money. The shareholders more or less set their underpants on fire in mass panic. The search for the new CEO nearly nets an up-and-comer that's essentially the most sought-after name in business that hasn't yet established himself as a top-flight CEO. However, the dumbass company board and their marketing department (Fitz) let news leak that they're going to lure him from a firm that he's been very loyal to, and the up-and-comer flips crap and bugs out. Internal politics may have also been in play regarding the information leak, but there's no way for the shareholders to know what happened other than word of mouth. The company board then goes entirely into panic mode and brings back CEO Old Balls to appease the shareholders. It's not an optimal situation and not likely to work out long term, but it at least gives a veneer of stability.
CEO OB proceeds to do a good job in rebuilding the one thing he's always been good at: innovating and creating new products. However, he's always been too hard-nosed to keep any good leaders (outside of the innovation department) yet he's too soft to fire anyone too incompetent to lead a department, such as patenting. After running off the one good patenting department head that the company has had in years, he brings back a retread who has never established himself as anything better than mediocre and has no track record of recruiting any patenting experts. Due to the current head of patenting being utterly incompetent and refusing to adjust to the realities of today's marketplace, other companies proceed to raid the innovations of Old Balls Family Nameless Corporation, inc. and take their ideas before OBFNC can patent them. The company could've had a very good, productive year in 2010 if it weren't for spies from BaylorBibleBeltBuckles, Inc. and ColoradoGreenSmokeSolutions, LLC. taking ideas that could've easily been patented with a few internal adjustments. However, CEO Old Balls does not recognize this and proceeds to thank his patenting director for yet another loyal year of service. He then goes back to his office to read the company innovation reports and not say a word to a single member of his staff. It becomes clear that he's not going to change a single thing about what he does, and in today's marketplace his strategies will give the company a ceiling of one potentially good year of profits out of a majority of years that break even or show a slight loss in profits.
It also comes to light that CEO Old Balls has put his hand in the company cookie jar by doling out some of what should be company money to his kids and extended family instead.
Now, here's the point where a normal business would have the shareholders and company board (which is now not blatantly incompetent) come together and demand solutions to improve the bottom line for Fiscal Year 2011. They'd be irate at the rate of leaked information about company innovations and possibly the CEO taking company money for personal use. They would likely clamor for one of two things: a minimal but necessary response of demanding a change in mindset and planning from the top levels of leadership, or going all-out and giving the current CEO and his leaders golden parachute buyout packages.
In this case, the shareholders of Old Balls Family Nameless Corporation, Inc., aside from a very vocal minority, demand neither, and say that they are just fine and happy with breaking even for the next 5 years and not maximizing profits because, goddamnit, CEO Old Balls once had us rolling in cash and we never were able to do that before he came here!
Tucks, your arguments have no clothes. I'm actually one of those who wouldn't mind keeping Snyder around as long as he shows a commitment to changing his S.O.P. aside from offensive coaching, but it's pretty clear that he's not going to do that. And why should he? He has no pressure from his so-called shareholders--YOU--which means that the company board (ADJC and UPKS) has no incentive to make him change anything. Your mindset is wholly illogical and accepts eternal mediocrity. It has pervaded in nearly every facet of KSU for far too many years, and the school is just now starting to make strides in both athletics and academics in shaking off the extensive damage that this mindset has done. Either accept that there are those that demand more than mediocrity or have the decency to get out of the way.
goEMAW.com poster of the week? this post is not getting enough love.
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The answer is because the people who post on this message board are weak-willed lilly-livered cowards who hide behind their anonymity to blast the best thing that has ever happened to Kansas State University.
There would be no Kansas State Football without LHCBS. This is an indisputable fact.
No other coach will EVER succeed at Kansas State unless they are groomed by LHCBS. This fact was proven when that hood-rat from Maryland came along and arrogantly refused any of LHCBS's help. Sure we got hip-hop football in Manhattan, but it sure as hell wasn't K-State football. Finally people like me finally ran the Barack Obama of coaches out of town, but the little panty-wastes on this site still didn't get the picture. Only a certain pedigree of man can run this ship and who has a better pedigree than RHP Sean Snyder? No one.
These are facts:
1) LHCBS is the best coach KSU can and will ever get.
2) There is 0 (zero) chance of success for a head coach outside of the Snyder tree.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! This dude is racist as all hell !!
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We can't get a good coach
KSU is a BCS job with a fanbase that cares about football and has a decent budget to work with. The mindset of "oh, we're poor little KSU, we can't do any better than a former legend who is clearly past his prime" is, once again, committed to mediocrity and is based off of the premise that you're scared of the future because of our past. Well, this isn't the KSU of 1989. The fact that we didn't win without Snyder is irrelevant. There is enough of an infrastructure at KSU to be successful in this conference with the right personnel. And by successful I mean above KU, BU, and ISU on most years and on the level of MU, OSU, and TTU.
It's not THAT hard to get a mid-major up and comer coach or former elite coach that has fallen from grace at KSU, in fact I'd argue that the school is well positioned to do so. Aside from obvious exceptions like Patterson, Chris Peterson, and Urban Meyer, a good number of elite schools get nervous about hiring someone who hasn't had success at a BCS school, or had an acrimonious breakup with their former BCS school. Instead, the way for most good coaches to break into or stay in the BCS ranks is at a school like KSU that needs a little more momentum than normal to be really good, but isn't a football black hole where nobody gives a damn (Indiana, Duke, etc). Look at this list of up-and-comers/good coaches fallen from grace at BCS schools:
-Jerry Kill, Minnesota (previously NIU)
-Tommy Tuberville, TTU (previously Auburn)
-Houston Nutt, Ole Miss (previously Arkansas)
-Mike London, Virginia (previously Richmond, who was 28-13 in London's tenure in one of the toughest conferences of FCS and won the 2008 FCS national title)
Each of these BCS teams are overmatched by the big names in their conference, but there is at least an infrastructure for success at each of these institutions. Sound familiar?
I also take issue with this statement:
"Therefore, do we fire somebody that's improving our stock each year to hire an extremely high risk employee that has a better chance of failure than success?"
If your definition of improving stock is barely making a little bit above even, then that's your prerogative. Another way to look at it is that he's been back two years and only improved by one win from year-to-year when he could've easily improved by three had he not run off Vic and/or hired a DC who doesn't adjust his gameplans. That win total is not likely to rise this year even with the former #1 prospects at LB and RB on the team. Part of that is a function of the schedule, but Texas is still down and Tech is still finding it's footing. OU, OSU and A&M appear to be the true grinders on the schedule, and this year we would've had to play at OSU and Nebraska anyway if Conference Armageddon hadn't happened. So on top of last year you basically add one grinder game and a potentially tough one at Tech and lose CU in the process. It's not a great situation, but it's not the end of the world as some KSU fans think it is.
KSU should've won 9, potentially 10 games last year (depending on how you look at the Missouri loss), and with a competent defensive coordinator that should've been the expectation for this year. Assuming Klein can actually throw or OB was able to teach him how to over the course of the offseason, the only games on the schedule that don't appear to be at least somewhat winnable when comparing personnel on paper are OU and OSU. However, Cosh will more than likely be pegged for 2-3 close losses that should end up as wins to put us...right at 6 or 7 wins as the ceiling. And that's assuming we do end up winning a few close games that we shouldn't have, just like last year with North Texas, ISU, UCLA and UCF, two of which could be at least somewhat attributed to the opposing offense inexplicably blowing a clear opportunity to score--ISU and UCF. We also got lucky with UCLA dropping passes left and right. Last year could've easily ended 4-8, maybe 3-9 and all of those potential losses besides UCF would've been blamed on the defense not doing its job. While the defense wasn't exactly chock full of BCS talent, it was clear that they were out of position for most of the year, which was painfully exposed on national tv against Nebraska.
Yet Bill thinks that keeping Cosh around is a good idea? Coordinator jobs aren't like head coaches, you aren't necessarily obligated to give them multiple years to install "their" system.
So this is why I don't accept the mindset espoused by you or other KSU fans that we can't do any better than what we have now. Personally, I think we can do better WITH Snyder, and that's what I'd consider best case scenario--2-3 years of Snyder adjusting his S.O.P., firing Cosh, treating his good coaches better, and winning 8-9 games a year. However, it's clear that at this point he has to feel significant pressure from the fanbase and ADJC to really be spurred to make any changes in what he does. This is why I don't have a problem with those who want to go all the way and fire Snyder. If you allow a culture of mediocrity and excuse-making to be widely accepted, then all you reap is the future wreckage of your program while others pass you by. KSU basketball was lucky to get out of it's 20 year dry spell that was caused partially by accepting a mindset that reinforced the yearly rationalizations of "well, we're getting a little better every day and that means we'll be good next year or two years from now. We can't shake things up, because that would be risky!"
To use the business analogy again, history is littered with the remnants of companies that sat on their laurels and watched others pass them by as markets and realities changed. Running a business successfully takes a measure of risk. So does running a successful football program. You can't be afraid to demand changes when your operations have become mired in mediocrity, and you can't be afraid to respectfully but firmly cut leadership that is not willing to adjust their strategies to ensure future success. If this was the KSU of 1989, then by all means we would all be begging him to stay and get us 6-7 wins every year. But it's not 1989 anymore, and it's sad to see so many people act like it still is.
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So this is why I don't accept the mindset espoused by you or other KSU fans that we can't do any better than what we have now.
I never said we can't do better. The sooner you get this through your head, the more productive this discussion can be. I have zero doubt we can do better. I also have zero doubt that the odds aren't in our favor, so making a change just to change is not a good idea, imo. I feel we only change if a homerun hire is committed to KSU. I still wonder where the proof of such a hire exists.
I don't follow your argument. First you state that we could have won 9-10 games, but the major reason that's the case is due to Snyder's coaching ability. He put us in the position to win those games with his offense and game/clock management. The job he did last season may have been his best to date. The production he got from that roster is nothing short of miraculous. However, you follow it up by stating we could have easily been 3-9 because of Snyder's personnel. Sadly, it's very difficult to just take the good we like, and get rid of the bad. I feel the same way about Frank. Also, most teams have 3+ games that could have gone either way with a few bounces, big plays, mistakes, penalties, etc. This is why it's so hard to win at this level.
It seems as though we feel similar about the overall goal, but just disagree about the aggressiveness of getting there. I also state that I wish Snyder would have fired Cosh, and started grooming a defensive prodigy to take over in a few years. Sadly, I don't know that this will happen. I do know that I like Koenning, but he never stays any one place long, and was something like 5-30 in his only head coaching experience. That was at a Mountain West school from 2000-2002. Not exactly something to write home about. Many lament that Bill runs off good players and coaches, yet they love Frank. I just don't get it. I think both have serious faults, but are good for our university overall.
I also don't follow your argument that we should hire some new mid-major up and comer to take our football team to the promised land. All the while arguing that we don't want our football team to follow the path of our once proud basketball tradition. However, that is EXACTLY the recipe our basketball team followed. We had all the tradition, all the facilities, all the fan support, all the records, etc. and hired up and comer mid-major coaches that fell flat on the face of mediocrity (or worse). This put our powerhouse program into depths of despair for 20+ years.
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Yet Bill thinks that keeping Cosh around is a good idea? Coordinator jobs aren't like head coaches, you aren't necessarily obligated to give them multiple years to install "their" system.
So this is why I don't accept the mindset espoused by you or other KSU fans that we can't do any better than what we have now. Personally, I think we can do better WITH Snyder, and that's what I'd consider best case scenario--2-3 years of Snyder adjusting his S.O.P., firing Cosh, treating his good coaches better, and winning 8-9 games a year. However, it's clear that at this point he has to feel significant pressure from the fanbase and ADJC to really be spurred to make any changes in what he does. This is why I don't have a problem with those who want to go all the way and fire Snyder. If you allow a culture of mediocrity and excuse-making to be widely accepted, then all you reap is the future wreckage of your program while others pass you by. KSU basketball was lucky to get out of it's 20 year dry spell that was caused partially by accepting a mindset that reinforced the yearly rationalizations of "well, we're getting a little better every day and that means we'll be good next year or two years from now. We can't shake things up, because that would be risky!"
the reality of the situation is that just within the last year, snyder has given a full scholarship to his two star grandson, given a fulltime coaching job to his 41 year old son who has never had the title of "coach" in his life and refused to fire an obviously overmatched defensive coordinator. he lost koenning to illinois and burns to wherever and it's perceived that they both left because of snyder's demand that people put in long hours and stare at the wall all day as well as his inability to step in and make the staff changes necessary on the defensive side of the ball. there is no reason to think that bill is going to start doing things any differently no matter what some of our expectations are or how much we complain. the majority of kstate fans don't want him gone, he's not going to quit, he's not going to change, he does not want to change and you can't realistically fire him. it just is what it is. i dunno.
my only saving grace is that i'm an absolute nut for conspiracy theories and look way to hard into things and think that maybe, just maybe (5% probability) sean was put on staff, another geriatric was hired on the defensive side and cosh was retained (although his son left) due to the fact that this is going to be bill's last year and he doesn't want to bring in new young blood to just have them back out of a job within a year. this is delusional but it's all i have so do not take it away from me.
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I'm sure I would appreciate this thread more if I liked to read a lot. :emawkid:
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i'm an absolute nut for conspiracy theories and look way to hard into things and think that maybe, just maybe (5% probability) sean was put on staff, another geriatric was hired on the defensive side and cosh was retained (although his son left) due to the fact that this is going to be bill's last year and he doesn't want to bring in new young blood to just have them back out of a job within a year. this is delusional but it's all i have so do not take it away from me.
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Not enough tinfoil in the construction of your hat Daris - the reason OB has assembled such a craptastic staff is they will all be happy to keep getting a six figure paycheck when OB pulls a "Knight move" on KSU. :jeffy:
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At the end of the day it's about if you win or not. Snyder can hire his son and he can give his grandson a scholarship if he wins enough.
From a pure football and roster pont of view I think we have more talent then we've had in a long time. My opinion is we will have a pretty good season this year and then set ourselves up for a really nice season in 2012. If you look at 2012 the roster is potentially stacked we graduate almost nobody after this season. So I'm giving Snyder these next two years to see if he can make a run. I wish we had a different d-cordinator but other then that I'm fine with the staff. I'm also fine with recruiting I'm not big into the rivals rankings and I think we filled our needs nicely with this last class.
If you objectively look at Snyder's first tenure it was widly successful. Some will say look at his last 4 years and he's below 500 but that is picking and choosing seasons. The last 2 years since he's been back have been moderately successful. Certainly enough to objectively keep any coach off the hot seat much less a coach with Snyder's prior track record. So the results have been good enough these last two years and the program appears to be headed in the right direction.
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another thing that is stupid. Everyone on here still thinks it's funny to call him "Old Balls" "OBz" or whatever still. It's getting old. Why not call him by his name? That would make a whole hell of a lot of sense, but hell no, why would people want to do that? :facepalm:
You people act like he's the oldest coach to ever coach the game. Yeah, he's old and is a coach, get over it. Everyone gets old. You make Snyder seem like the odd man out. You people are embarrassing yourselves.
You sir are absolutely correct. I'm tired of calling him OB; let's call him SB (Scrotum Bag). You know because old folks have low hanging ball sacks like those swinging behind trucks.
:dunno: :cheers:
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Recommendation: OB (Original Balls)
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When has Snyder ever had a top rated or even middle of the pack recruiting class? We have 10 Jucos for goodness sake, which do not even enter into the rankings. Look at what Snyder did after Stoops did his best to sabotage us in 1998. We are going to have a good team this year(predicting 8-4) and a stellar year in 2012. Unfortunately, there are some reprobates on here when it comes to K-State football. Look at 2009 and the pile of dung Snyder inherited. If Grant Gregory didn't have two bad shoulders(which we didn't know about at the time) we probably would have easily won 2 more games and gone 8-4 and a bowl game. Anyway, my glass is always half full and some you have 90% empty. Enjoy your pessimism and throwing what you think are cute epithats and I will the enjoy the successful season as it unfolds.
First of all, jucos DO count in recruiting rankings, and have done so for ten years. When Snyder was on a roll in the nineties, they didn't....and that's when his classes WERE very undervalued, because that's also when he was really cleaning up with the stud jucos....now Alabama and a lot of big time programs are cherry picking that talent pool, which is probably why he has had a much higher miss rate with his juco recruits.
Second, Snyder's classes in the early 2000's were ranked fairly high.
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If I was going to invent a sock to hilariously fake defend Snyder, it would be identical to all the Snyder defenders in this thread. I seriously have no idea if someone is really dumb enough believe this crap they're spewing.
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I'm sure I would appreciate this thread more if I liked to read a lot. :emawkid:
+1 :comeatme:
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If K-State is willing to pay a new coach $2 million dollars a year, many good candidates will be interested. If a REAL coaching search is conducted, K-State will find a good coach.
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If a REAL coaching search is conducted, K-State will find a good coach.
after the decades of wefald, I don't think K-Staters can comprehend a competent coaching search. Even if we don't chase Leach or Rodriguez, there are still multiple competent coaches that would both be an improvement over OB and be interested in the job.
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If a REAL coaching search is conducted, K-State will find a good coach.
after the decades of wefald, I don't think K-Staters can comprehend a competent coaching search.
I can't wait to see whether Schulz and Currie take advantage of this or if they keep it honest.
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Is this the right thread for me to start my campaign to hire Jon Gruden as our next legendary head coach? Just tell me if it's not.
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JFC, you people are stealing my thoughts. Was just thinking about Gruden today. Would be amazing.
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no, get a recruiter.
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Gruden would LOL right in our fat faces.
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Gruden would LOL right in our fat faces.
Wrong, he wouldn't even take the time.
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Is there anybody out there that wants a new coach (i.e. Mike Leach), but is actually content with Snyder as our '11-'12 current coach?
Maybe I'm just lazy, but I have neither the desire nor the passion to write a rough ridin' treatise (see past 2 pages of this thread) about why Snyder is the death knell of this program or university.
For eff sake, he may suck as a coach and as a person. He may be old and have an ugly daughter. But, we've got a pretty decent team this year and we've got a chance to win some games.
If we go 7-5 or 8-4 and go to another bowl game, I simply can't see much reason to knock the guy. 6-6 or worse and he should be forced to retire, IMO.
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Gruden would LOL right in our fat faces.
Wrong, he wouldn't even take the time.
JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipshit puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry rough ridin' time discussing it.
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing respected name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipcrap puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry effing time discussing it.
Both of those things could occur.
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipshit puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry rough ridin' time discussing it.
many on this board acted the same way with Bob Huggins as we are with Mike Leach. And a lot of dipshits said, "Bob Huggins would never come to KSU, he isn't that good anyway," etc.
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing respected name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipcrap puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry effing time discussing it.
Listen here a-hole, how the eff do you know Mike Leach would never come to K-State? He isn't Nick rough ridin' Saban. I agree with you that anyone who thinks Gruden would come here is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). I'm not even sure why anyone would want Gruden to come here, he would do terrible at a place like K-State.
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing respected name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipcrap puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry effing time discussing it.
Listen here a-hole, how the eff do you know Mike Leach would never come to K-State? He isn't Nick effing Saban. I agree with you that anyone who thinks Gruden would come here is respected. I'm not even sure why anyone would want Gruden to come here, he would do terrible at a place like K-State.
I have no doubt that Leach would come here if the money was right. KState will never hire him, or even consider him. Period. Anyone who believes otherwise is effing delusional.
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing respected name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipcrap puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry effing time discussing it.
Listen here a-hole, how the eff do you know Mike Leach would never come to K-State? He isn't Nick effing Saban. I agree with you that anyone who thinks Gruden would come here is respected. I'm not even sure why anyone would want Gruden to come here, he would do terrible at a place like K-State.
I have no doubt that Leach would come here if the money was right. KState will never hire him, or even consider him. Period. Anyone who believes otherwise is effing delusional.
If this is true, then John Currie should be fired. I don't think it's true.
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing respected name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipcrap puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry effing time discussing it.
Listen here a-hole, how the eff do you know Mike Leach would never come to K-State? He isn't Nick effing Saban. I agree with you that anyone who thinks Gruden would come here is respected. I'm not even sure why anyone would want Gruden to come here, he would do terrible at a place like K-State.
I have no doubt that Leach would come here if the money was right. KState will never hire him, or even consider him. Period. Anyone who believes otherwise is effing delusional.
:confused: Seriously, where are you coming up with this?
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing respected name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipcrap puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry effing time discussing it.
Both of those things could occur.
Man, you have really let your hatred for Snyder clout your judgment if you think he would ever leave Sean Snyder in charge. He of all people knows that Sean is incapable of running a football program. He would never do that, he doesn't hate KState football like some ass hats like to believe. If he did he never would have stayed in the nineties....I swear people on this board are like effing lemmings. One dude says something and the rest of you just bob your head in agreement. "OBz sucks" "Sean Snyder is HCIW" "Fire Snyder, Hire Leach" If some of you had an original thought I bet this effing board would implode.
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if there never was a LHC Bill Snyder...who there be a goEMAW.com?
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing respected name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipcrap puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry effing time discussing it.
Listen here a-hole, how the eff do you know Mike Leach would never come to K-State? He isn't Nick effing Saban. I agree with you that anyone who thinks Gruden would come here is respected. I'm not even sure why anyone would want Gruden to come here, he would do terrible at a place like K-State.
I have no doubt that Leach would come here if the money was right. KState will never hire him, or even consider him. Period. Anyone who believes otherwise is effing delusional.
:confused: Seriously, where are you coming up with this?
Common Sense. They're would have been some rumblings by now if Mike Leach was on their radar. He's been out of a job and on the market for over a year now and not a peep. WTF would they be waiting for? If they wanted him they would be worried someone else would make an offer and he would be gone. Besides If Currie wanted a former above average disgraced coach he would have gone after Leavitt.
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing respected name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipcrap puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry effing time discussing it.
Listen here a-hole, how the eff do you know Mike Leach would never come to K-State? He isn't Nick effing Saban. I agree with you that anyone who thinks Gruden would come here is respected. I'm not even sure why anyone would want Gruden to come here, he would do terrible at a place like K-State.
I have no doubt that Leach would come here if the money was right. KState will never hire him, or even consider him. Period. Anyone who believes otherwise is effing delusional.
:confused: Seriously, where are you coming up with this?
Common Sense. They're would have been some rumblings by now if Mike Leach was on their radar. He's been out of a job and on the market for over a year now and not a peep. WTF would they be waiting for? If they wanted him they would be worried someone else would make an offer and he would be gone. Besides If Currie wanted a former above average disgraced coach he would have gone after Leavitt.
you were doing pretty decent until you compared leach to leavitt. good lord. stop while you're ahead. dumbass.
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing respected name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipcrap puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry effing time discussing it.
Listen here a-hole, how the eff do you know Mike Leach would never come to K-State? He isn't Nick effing Saban. I agree with you that anyone who thinks Gruden would come here is respected. I'm not even sure why anyone would want Gruden to come here, he would do terrible at a place like K-State.
I have no doubt that Leach would come here if the money was right. KState will never hire him, or even consider him. Period. Anyone who believes otherwise is effing delusional.
:confused: Seriously, where are you coming up with this?
Common Sense. They're would have been some rumblings by now if Mike Leach was on their radar. He's been out of a job and on the market for over a year now and not a peep. WTF would they be waiting for? If they wanted him they would be worried someone else would make an offer and he would be gone. Besides If Currie wanted a former above average disgraced coach he would have gone after Leavitt.
you were doing pretty decent until you compared leach to leavitt. good lord. stop while you're ahead. dumbass.
Not sure what you're implying by that but you got my interest so go on.
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BTW not a complete dick here. Love you all and love this board. I wouldn't vent like that if I didn't think all you assholes here could take it in stride.
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jon gruden makes me merry
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipshit puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry rough ridin' time discussing it.
Know what I like to hear, some "arg, arg" from the pirate that's what!!!!!!!!!!!! :comeatme:
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipshit puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry rough ridin' time discussing it.
many on this board acted the same way with Bob Huggins as we are with Mike Leach. And a lot of dipshits said, "Bob Huggins would never come to KSU, he isn't that good anyway," etc.
Rusty, you were his biggest fan. Maybe someone in the admin. agreed with you. Thanks for your effort. Now let's get the Prirate! :cheers:
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing respected name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipcrap puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry effing time discussing it.
Listen here a-hole, how the eff do you know Mike Leach would never come to K-State? He isn't Nick effing Saban. I agree with you that anyone who thinks Gruden would come here is respected. I'm not even sure why anyone would want Gruden to come here, he would do terrible at a place like K-State.
I have no doubt that Leach would come here if the money was right. KState will never hire him, or even consider him. Period. Anyone who believes otherwise is effing delusional.
:confused: Seriously, where are you coming up with this?
Common Sense. They're would have been some rumblings by now if Mike Leach was on their radar. He's been out of a job and on the market for over a year now and not a peep. WTF would they be waiting for? If they wanted him they would be worried someone else would make an offer and he would be gone. Besides If Currie wanted a former above average disgraced coach he would have gone after Leavitt.
were doing pretty decent until you compared leach to leavitt. good lord. stop while you're ahead. dumbass.
+1 Thank GOD for someone that makes two cents. :sdeek:
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing respected name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipcrap puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry effing time discussing it.
Listen here a-hole, how the eff do you know Mike Leach would never come to K-State? He isn't Nick effing Saban. I agree with you that anyone who thinks Gruden would come here is respected. I'm not even sure why anyone would want Gruden to come here, he would do terrible at a place like K-State.
I have no doubt that Leach would come here if the money was right. KState will never hire him, or even consider him. Period. Anyone who believes otherwise is effing delusional.
:confused: Seriously, where are you coming up with this?
Common Sense. They're would have been some rumblings by now if Mike Leach was on their radar. He's been out of a job and on the market for over a year now and not a peep. WTF would they be waiting for? If they wanted him they would be worried someone else would make an offer and he would be gone. Besides If Currie wanted a former above average disgraced coach he would have gone after Leavitt.
were doing pretty decent until you compared leach to leavitt. good lord. stop while you're ahead. dumbass.
+1 Thank GOD for someone that makes two cents. :sdeek:
I don't know if you guys listen to Leach's radio show with Jack Arute(you should BTW,great show), but he's mentioned several times how some pending legal/NCAA issue from the Adam James incident is preventing him from even receiving real HC offers.. Not sure if it's just a lawsuit or a Show Causey type thing from the NCAA, but he's basically came out and said on several occasions that until it is resolved programs can't/wont even offer him anything above a coordinator (which he said he has no interest in doing)..
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Can't wait for the day when GP (or anyone worth rolling the dice with) comes here ONLY because Snyder returned and righted the ship enough to get him here. The reason GP is not here is not on Snyder's shoulders, simple as that. Some are so busy trying to find thieves in their midst, pointing fingers and crying wolf at this person and that, it's become pathological. I get that we each have expectations and will always want for those to become reality, but some have simply gone 'round the bend over Snyder walking the sidelines.
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Man, you have really let your hatred for Snyder clout your judgment if you think he would ever leave Sean Snyder in charge. He of all people knows that Sean is incapable of running a football program. He would never do that, he doesn't hate KState football like some ass hats like to believe. If he did he never would have stayed in the nineties....I swear people on this board are like effing lemmings. One dude says something and the rest of you just bob your head in agreement. "OBz sucks" "Sean Snyder is HCIW" "Fire Snyder, Hire Leach" If some of you had an original thought I bet this effing board would implode.
Just like "Don't worry, Snyder is going to hire a HCIW this time guys!!! He doesn't want to leave the program hanging again"
Followed by "Don't worry, he's learned his lesson, he's definitely going to hire some up-and-coming young coaches who love recruiting!"
Followed by "He's learned his lesson -- he's not going to hang onto underperforming coaches this time!"
Followed by "No way he wants Sean to take over -- Sean's only an admin, he's never been a coach!!!"
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JFC can you people come up with a Head Coach that is reasonable or someone who isn't Mike effing Leach? How about Dale Lennon or Ken Niumatalolo both are very promising and probably a crap ton easier to get than Jon Gruden.
I love this new wave of posters. Very angry. I look forward to basketball season.
Not angry, just a bit annoyed with the total unoriginality of this board. It's like someone said "You know who's available...Mike leach. We should go after him." And now everyone just regurgitates his name whenever talking about future coaches, until someone spews out some completely effing respected name like Jon Gruden. It's like Im listening to a bunch of dipcrap puppets that are being worked by the same hand. Wake up call, assholes, Mike Leach is never coming to KState and Sean Snyder will never be the head coach so quit bitching about both. And if you want to talk about future coaches then name some that are at least reasonable so we can all have a merry effing time discussing it.
Listen here a-hole, how the eff do you know Mike Leach would never come to K-State? He isn't Nick effing Saban. I agree with you that anyone who thinks Gruden would come here is respected. I'm not even sure why anyone would want Gruden to come here, he would do terrible at a place like K-State.
I have no doubt that Leach would come here if the money was right. KState will never hire him, or even consider him. Period. Anyone who believes otherwise is effing delusional.
:confused: Seriously, where are you coming up with this?
Common Sense. They're would have been some rumblings by now if Mike Leach was on their radar. He's been out of a job and on the market for over a year now and not a peep. WTF would they be waiting for? If they wanted him they would be worried someone else would make an offer and he would be gone. Besides If Currie wanted a former above average disgraced coach he would have gone after Leavitt.
were doing pretty decent until you compared leach to leavitt. good lord. stop while you're ahead. dumbass.
+1 Thank GOD for someone that makes two cents. :sdeek:
I don't know if you guys listen to Leach's radio show with Jack Arute(you should BTW,great show), but he's mentioned several times how some pending legal/NCAA issue from the Adam James incident is preventing him from even receiving real HC offers.. Not sure if it's just a lawsuit or a Show Causey type thing from the NCAA, but he's basically came out and said on several occasions that until it is resolved programs can't/wont even offer him anything above a coordinator (which he said he has no interest in doing)..
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Quote from: jtksu on July 13, 2011, 09:42:09 PM
Doubt it but we can still dream.
Thing is he's got court issues to reslove before any program will offer. I just hope JC sees the opportunity before it gets away.
Looks like we agree on this issue.
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Hey, enjoy being miserable 24/7 losers.
It's better to be delusional and happy, than to completely recognize you suck and be miserable all the time.
Thank you.
I only read up to this point.....and decided I'm down with this philosophy.
:love: :delusional&happy: :pbj: