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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: steve dave on June 03, 2011, 10:43:58 PM
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need to take note of what we see happening with LHCBS 2.0. Love listening to the nay sayers go into their same rhetoric (were they really RP supporters who still haven't come to their senses?) about the 2 and 3 star recruits.
If you go back and look at my post history you will see I am no purple glasses guy but I have to tell you that I see the sea starting to part again. Lets look at our big weaknesses from last year. Dline and QB. Clearly the bodies are either being brought in or moved to the right position to start to address the issues that kept our D from being able to stop even the Little Sisters of the Poor. Bill unlike RP understands how to get the most out of his roster. Moving Allred is a great one IMO and indicative of two things. 1)the Oline is in better shape in Bill's opinion than most think on this board and 2)(captain obvious)the Dline needs depth and quality upgrade. Simply getting the two returners plenty of rest to keep the quality of the snaps they do take up is huge but as Hatter has already noted, competition really does improve kids. Nothing like knowing the coaches have targeted your position with player moves and heavy recruiting to make most kids hit the offseason workouts harder to keep their position. I expect to see a better Kibble/Guidry next year. They showed periods of decent play but seemed to wear out by year end. Not surprising as minor injuries really start to wear on interior guys especially if they don't have good depth to keep their snap count down.
Looking at some of the new recruits at DE and DT the possibilities for seeing some quality depth emerge is exciting. Watching us collapse in the last half of the season to me really rotated around not having enough depth at Dline to let us play a straight up D all game. For example when Kirk was at DT the LBs were having to deal with OLine getting to the second level and you end up trying to overcompensate with either D play calling and/or players start 'reaching' outside their assignments. I can see some of the young DE types moving to DT if they aren't quick enough for D1 play in the open field. 20-30 Lbs addes to Seau and Hunter for example and we all of a sudden have big athletic DTs in the future. Would be great if they were D1 DEs but they have upside either way. I know a bit about Hunter and I am optimisitic that kid leaves KSU in five years as one outstanding DT. I look for him to RS and get bigger. Kid is the right type mentally for Bill's system. We may find by his senior year that we look back and say he was the gem in this class.
The QB situation is almost as good. Klein is smart and a worker. Bill has a track record with these type of kids. Think Brian Cavanaugh with much better wheels. Tuggle IMO will make huge strides this summer. What little I get from the inside ----most of my sources have dried up with minor exceptions---says that he is determined to be ready to beat out Klein by the fall. I fall in the camp on Sams that think he makes the field this year but not at QB. Bill knows he needs another bowl season to continue the growth and he will give up a RS if he thinks a kid will give us enough plays for an additional win. He is far more careful than RP however I will say RP was correct that recruiting is helped when kids know they can play ASAP. What little I hear on the recruiting pitch is that KSU is now talking that way to kids with some exceptions---mostly Olineman.
All in all if you aren't optimistic now you are simply someone who looks at the glass as half empty---each to his own but regardless the process is taking place and at least this year when you watch us take the field we are beginning to look like a team that belongs. I had a long time D1 coach tell me that if you really wanted to know where a program was at look at the 2nd and 3rd stringers. If you see some kids who could play D1 at some level (instead of D2) not getting on the field you had a roster that was ready to compete. The walk on level has clearly picked up. No more signing a Juco Defense intact ala the NEO signing LOL.
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sniff sniff, I smell championship
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Way too long, so didn't read. Not smart enough to post one of those gifs with a black guy that says "Did Not Read". Sure it was awesome, though.
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Way too long, so didn't read. Not smart enough to post one of those gifs with a black guy that says "Did Not Read". Sure it was awesome, though.
I'm not even sure the guy in those gifs is a real black guy.
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need to take note of what we see happening with LHCBS 2.0. Love listening to the nay sayers go into their same rhetoric (were they really RP supporters who still haven't come to their senses?) about the 2 and 3 star recruits.
If you go back and look at my post history you will see I am no purple glasses guy but I have to tell you that I see the sea starting to part again. Lets look at our big weaknesses from last year. Dline and QB. Clearly the bodies are either being brought in or moved to the right position to start to address the issues that kept our D from being able to stop even the Little Sisters of the Poor. Bill unlike RP understands how to get the most out of his roster. Moving Allred is a great one IMO and indicative of two things. 1)the Oline is in better shape in Bill's opinion than most think on this board and 2)(captain obvious)the Dline needs depth and quality upgrade. Simply getting the two returners plenty of rest to keep the quality of the snaps they do take up is huge but as Hatter has already noted, competition really does improve kids. Nothing like knowing the coaches have targeted your position with player moves and heavy recruiting to make most kids hit the offseason workouts harder to keep their position. I expect to see a better Kibble/Guidry next year. They showed periods of decent play but seemed to wear out by year end. Not surprising as minor injuries really start to wear on interior guys especially if they don't have good depth to keep their snap count down.
Looking at some of the new recruits at DE and DT the possibilities for seeing some quality depth emerge is exciting. Watching us collapse in the last half of the season to me really rotated around not having enough depth at Dline to let us play a straight up D all game. For example when Kirk was at DT the LBs were having to deal with OLine getting to the second level and you end up trying to overcompensate with either D play calling and/or players start 'reaching' outside their assignments. I can see some of the young DE types moving to DT if they aren't quick enough for D1 play in the open field. 20-30 Lbs addes to Seau and Hunter for example and we all of a sudden have big athletic DTs in the future. Would be great if they were D1 DEs but they have upside either way. I know a bit about Hunter and I am optimisitic that kid leaves KSU in five years as one outstanding DT. I look for him to RS and get bigger. Kid is the right type mentally for Bill's system. We may find by his senior year that we look back and say he was the gem in this class.
The QB situation is almost as good. Klein is smart and a worker. Bill has a track record with these type of kids. Think Brian Cavanaugh with much better wheels. Tuggle IMO will make huge strides this summer. What little I get from the inside ----most of my sources have dried up with minor exceptions---says that he is determined to be ready to beat out Klein by the fall. I fall in the camp on Sams that think he makes the field this year but not at QB. Bill knows he needs another bowl season to continue the growth and he will give up a RS if he thinks a kid will give us enough plays for an additional win. He is far more careful than RP however I will say RP was correct that recruiting is helped when kids know they can play ASAP. What little I hear on the recruiting pitch is that KSU is now talking that way to kids with some exceptions---mostly Olineman.
All in all if you aren't optimistic now you are simply someone who looks at the glass as half empty---each to his own but regardless the process is taking place and at least this year when you watch us take the field we are beginning to look like a team that belongs. I had a long time D1 coach tell me that if you really wanted to know where a program was at look at the 2nd and 3rd stringers. If you see some kids who could play D1 at some level (instead of D2) not getting on the field you had a roster that was ready to compete. The walk on level has clearly picked up. No more signing a Juco Defense intact ala the NEO signing LOL.
I missed the paragraph where the writer stopped talking about us in a vacuum and talked about how we're not the only ones out there pillaging JUCOs for talent and the fact that a lot of other teams have gotten their crap together and started caring about football more and running their programs in a competent fashion.
Also, the defense will continue to suck until proven otherwise. And Chris Cosh is still here, so there will be no return to anything until Bill addresses him and the rest of the Golden Corral Brigade.
Who wrote this?
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Who wrote this?
okiecatfan
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Who wrote this?
okiecatfan
That makes sense.
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this is an sd original you assholes. he stole it from me if anything.
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this is an sd original you assholes. he stole it from me if anything.
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this is an sd original you assholes. he stole it from me if anything.
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maybe we just posted at the same time
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This sounds like someone trying to convince themselves into looking forward to this season. 2012 under Tressel will be much better than this year.
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This sounds like someone trying to convince themselves into looking forward to this season. 2012 under Tressel will be much better than this year.
1. A lot of the items sold/traded for tats had multiple players' autographs, and many had Tressel's autograph. My question is, how do the players go about getting their hands on all of that stuff? Not the jerseys, programs, etc., but rather, the AUTOGRAPHED versions? Once that stuff is signed, it has value...so what is the chain of custody? Or, did they simply go to Tressel and say, "hey coach, would you sign a few, I need some new ink?" I just can't imagine a scenario where AT LEAST officials in the athletic department, and perhaps Tressel himself, were not just aware of, but facilitating the release of that signed memorabilia to the athletes.
2. If the reports in that story are true, how can you conclude that Tressel is anything but a total fraud as a human being? Switzer was a liar and cheater...but unlike Tressel, he didn't pretend to be some sort of choir boy or spirital savior of the inner city youth. The story with Ray Isaac, his former QB at Youngstown St., is beyond comical in its hyprocrisy. I nearly choked after reading Isaac's comments about how Tressel taught him his "most important life lessons." Yes, he clearly did. Here's an excerpt:
In 1995, Monus was convicted in federal court of 109 felony counts of bank, wire and mail fraud, conspiracy, obstruction of justice and interstate transportation of stolen goods related to his looting of Phar-Mor's corporate coffers. Three years later Monus was on trial for jury tampering in the government's first prosecution of him, which had ended in a hung jury. During this trial (at which Monus was found not guilty) Monus and Isaac, who had pleaded guilty to attempting to bribe a juror on Monus's behalf, disclosed their financial dealings while Isaac was a student and alleged that Tressel had set these in motion with that first phone call.
A reporter covering the jury-tampering trial called the school and reported Monus's and Isaac's testimony, prompting an internal investigation. That probe revealed that Isaac's car was the worst-kept secret on campus. According to NCAA documents, all of Isaac's teammates who were interviewed "except one" knew about the car or had suspicions about it. Even people outside the football family knew. Pauline Saternow, then the school's compliance officer, had such misgivings about the car that she recused herself from the investigation committee because, according to Cochran, she did not feel she could be objective. Everyone raised an eyebrow -- except Tressel.
Today Isaac runs High Impact Football, a quarterback-coaching business in Cary, N.C. He is quick to call Tressel his "surrogate dad." The two were once so close that Tressel invited Isaac to a football camp, even after Isaac had been indicted for jury tampering. They text-messaged psalms back and forth, according to Isaac, who says the coach taught him his most important life lessons. "He never let me take the path of least resistance," Isaac says.
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Nothing like that time of year when all new recruits are anointed as the saviors to the weak spots of the program.
Anyone have a Cliffs Notes version? I stopped after the first paragraph.
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Nothing like that time of year when all new recruits are anointed as the saviors to the weak spots of the program.
Anyone have a Cliffs Notes version? I stopped after the first paragraph.
wow you always are pessimistic on us but seem to see the pie in the sky for other teams. They have the same talent issues they had last year---too many chiefs not enough indians. There is a sense of entitlement that has always plagued UT with their five star recruits that many fail to understand. Case in point is OU. When was their last NC? What was the type of team they had? Bob appears to have relearned the proper mix of super talent and role players. Watch how he recruits now and you will see that he isn't out there signing only 4 and 5 star types but mixing in some lower level recruits---and not because he has too. He could sign all high level types if he was inclined. This isn't simply observation---one of my clients (I am on sabbatical from the firm but still in touch with some of my favorites) is a OU coach and he has made the point about the right mix for getting real team play and locker room stability
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I share the optimism, but I feel the need to point out that when the waters were parted we were in a conference with 1 good team (NU) and 1 better than average team (CU). We basically had a two game schedule. That is not the case now.
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CU won an NC in 1990. That's gotta be "better than average" right? OU went 44-23-2 from 90-95. KU was ranked in the top-10 when we whipped them in 95. Oh, and we were the worst program in history when Snyds took over the first time. We were a bowl team last year. Not a great team but a far cry from the WOAT. You really don't know much about Big 8 football, do you?
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Also- Bill won the Big 8 COY in 1990, the same year CU won the NC. But the deck is stacked way different now, right?
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This sounds like someone trying to convince themselves into looking forward to this season. 2012 under Tressel will be much better than this year.
1. A lot of the items sold/traded for tats had multiple players' autographs, and many had Tressel's autograph. My question is, how do the players go about getting their hands on all of that stuff? Not the jerseys, programs, etc., but rather, the AUTOGRAPHED versions? Once that stuff is signed, it has value...so what is the chain of custody? Or, did they simply go to Tressel and say, "hey coach, would you sign a few, I need some new ink?" I just can't imagine a scenario where AT LEAST officials in the athletic department, and perhaps Tressel himself, were not just aware of, but facilitating the release of that signed memorabilia to the athletes.
2. If the reports in that story are true, how can you conclude that Tressel is anything but a total fraud as a human being? Switzer was a liar and cheater...but unlike Tressel, he didn't pretend to be some sort of choir boy or spirital savior of the inner city youth. The story with Ray Isaac, his former QB at Youngstown St., is beyond comical in its hyprocrisy. I nearly choked after reading Isaac's comments about how Tressel taught him his "most important life lessons." Yes, he clearly did. Here's an excerpt:
In 1995, Monus was convicted in federal court of 109 felony counts of bank, wire and mail fraud, conspiracy, obstruction of justice and interstate transportation of stolen goods related to his looting of Phar-Mor's corporate coffers. Three years later Monus was on trial for jury tampering in the government's first prosecution of him, which had ended in a hung jury. During this trial (at which Monus was found not guilty) Monus and Isaac, who had pleaded guilty to attempting to bribe a juror on Monus's behalf, disclosed their financial dealings while Isaac was a student and alleged that Tressel had set these in motion with that first phone call.
A reporter covering the jury-tampering trial called the school and reported Monus's and Isaac's testimony, prompting an internal investigation. That probe revealed that Isaac's car was the worst-kept secret on campus. According to NCAA documents, all of Isaac's teammates who were interviewed "except one" knew about the car or had suspicions about it. Even people outside the football family knew. Pauline Saternow, then the school's compliance officer, had such misgivings about the car that she recused herself from the investigation committee because, according to Cochran, she did not feel she could be objective. Everyone raised an eyebrow -- except Tressel.
Today Isaac runs High Impact Football, a quarterback-coaching business in Cary, N.C. He is quick to call Tressel his "surrogate dad." The two were once so close that Tressel invited Isaac to a football camp, even after Isaac had been indicted for jury tampering. They text-messaged psalms back and forth, according to Isaac, who says the coach taught him his most important life lessons. "He never let me take the path of least resistance," Isaac says.
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This sounds like someone trying to convince themselves into looking forward to this season. 2012 under Tressel will be much better than this year.
1. A lot of the items sold/traded for tats had multiple players' autographs, and many had Tressel's autograph. My question is, how do the players go about getting their hands on all of that stuff? Not the jerseys, programs, etc., but rather, the AUTOGRAPHED versions? Once that stuff is signed, it has value...so what is the chain of custody? Or, did they simply go to Tressel and say, "hey coach, would you sign a few, I need some new ink?" I just can't imagine a scenario where AT LEAST officials in the athletic department, and perhaps Tressel himself, were not just aware of, but facilitating the release of that signed memorabilia to the athletes.
2. If the reports in that story are true, how can you conclude that Tressel is anything but a total fraud as a human being? Switzer was a liar and cheater...but unlike Tressel, he didn't pretend to be some sort of choir boy or spirital savior of the inner city youth. The story with Ray Isaac, his former QB at Youngstown St., is beyond comical in its hyprocrisy. I nearly choked after reading Isaac's comments about how Tressel taught him his "most important life lessons." Yes, he clearly did. Here's an excerpt:
In 1995, Monus was convicted in federal court of 109 felony counts of bank, wire and mail fraud, conspiracy, obstruction of justice and interstate transportation of stolen goods related to his looting of Phar-Mor's corporate coffers. Three years later Monus was on trial for jury tampering in the government's first prosecution of him, which had ended in a hung jury. During this trial (at which Monus was found not guilty) Monus and Isaac, who had pleaded guilty to attempting to bribe a juror on Monus's behalf, disclosed their financial dealings while Isaac was a student and alleged that Tressel had set these in motion with that first phone call.
A reporter covering the jury-tampering trial called the school and reported Monus's and Isaac's testimony, prompting an internal investigation. That probe revealed that Isaac's car was the worst-kept secret on campus. According to NCAA documents, all of Isaac's teammates who were interviewed "except one" knew about the car or had suspicions about it. Even people outside the football family knew. Pauline Saternow, then the school's compliance officer, had such misgivings about the car that she recused herself from the investigation committee because, according to Cochran, she did not feel she could be objective. Everyone raised an eyebrow -- except Tressel.
Today Isaac runs High Impact Football, a quarterback-coaching business in Cary, N.C. He is quick to call Tressel his "surrogate dad." The two were once so close that Tressel invited Isaac to a football camp, even after Isaac had been indicted for jury tampering. They text-messaged psalms back and forth, according to Isaac, who says the coach taught him his most important life lessons. "He never let me take the path of least resistance," Isaac says.
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yep, another steve dave original. soak it in.
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If you cheapasses (one word?) would pay for premium you would get advance copies of Steve Dave originals before he releases to the unwashed masses.
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I'll take my stevedave anyway I can get him but I prefer him to be a bit dirty.
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Nothing like that time of year when all new recruits are anointed as the saviors to the weak spots of the program.
Anyone have a Cliffs Notes version? I stopped after the first paragraph.
wow you always are pessimistic on us but seem to see the pie in the sky for other teams. They have the same talent issues they had last year---too many chiefs not enough indians. There is a sense of entitlement that has always plagued UT with their five star recruits that many fail to understand. Case in point is OU. When was their last NC? What was the type of team they had? Bob appears to have relearned the proper mix of super talent and role players. Watch how he recruits now and you will see that he isn't out there signing only 4 and 5 star types but mixing in some lower level recruits---and not because he has too. He could sign all high level types if he was inclined. This isn't simply observation---one of my clients (I am on sabbatical from the firm but still in touch with some of my favorites) is a OU coach and he has made the point about the right mix for getting real team play and locker room stability
Assuming your post in sincere, is it really pessimism when it's been nearly a decade since we won our division, and we've mired in mediocrity throughout that entire time?
I'm going to be optimistic and hope for the best, and I do think we'll be better, but considering our defense last year was an atrocity, it's kind of hard to get worse.
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If you go back and look at my post history you will see I am no purple glasses guy but I have to tell you that I see the sea starting to part again.
can you unlock the post history past 1 week option? SD is to much of a sunshine pumper for me to believe this BS
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CU won an NC in 1990. That's gotta be "better than average" right? OU went 44-23-2 from 90-95. KU was ranked in the top-10 when we whipped them in 95. Oh, and we were the worst program in history when Snyds took over the first time. We were a bowl team last year. Not a great team but a far cry from the WOAT. You really don't know much about Big 8 football, do you?
KSU didn't beat CU until 1997. CU had a 5-6 record in 1997. That's below average. Before CU sank to that level of mediocrity they beat Snyder's team every single time.
KSU did not beat OU in 90, 91, or 92. But in the five years from 93-98 when KSU swept OU their combined record was 27-30-1. Again, below average.
KU in '95 was way overrated and everyone in purple was expecting that. But it was a nice win.
Oh, and our WOAT program was almost as good as KU in the late 80's. KU improved much quicker under Glen Mason than KSU did under Snyder but Mason was looking to bail out and Snyder sustained it.
These are facts.
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CU won an NC in 1990. That's gotta be "better than average" right? OU went 44-23-2 from 90-95. KU was ranked in the top-10 when we whipped them in 95. Oh, and we were the worst program in history when Snyds took over the first time. We were a bowl team last year. Not a great team but a far cry from the WOAT. You really don't know much about Big 8 football, do you?
KSU didn't beat CU until 1997. CU had a 5-6 record in 1997. That's below average. Before CU sank to that level of mediocrity they beat Snyder's team every single time.
KSU did not beat OU in 90, 91, or 92. But in the five years from 93-98 when KSU swept OU their combined record was 27-30-1. Again, below average.
KU in '95 was way overrated and everyone in purple was expecting that. But it was a nice win.
Oh, and our WOAT program was almost as good as KU in the late 80's. KU improved much quicker under Glen Mason than KSU did under Snyder but Mason was looking to bail out and Snyder sustained it.
These are facts.
Actually we tied CU once...
Also, that Glen Mason crap is not a fact, his first 5 years were quite comparable to Snyder, but Snyder had a better record.
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CU won an NC in 1990. That's gotta be "better than average" right? OU went 44-23-2 from 90-95. KU was ranked in the top-10 when we whipped them in 95. Oh, and we were the worst program in history when Snyds took over the first time. We were a bowl team last year. Not a great team but a far cry from the WOAT. You really don't know much about Big 8 football, do you?
KSU didn't beat CU until 1997. CU had a 5-6 record in 1997. That's below average. Before CU sank to that level of mediocrity they beat Snyder's team every single time.
KSU did not beat OU in 90, 91, or 92. But in the five years from 93-98 when KSU swept OU their combined record was 27-30-1. Again, below average.
KU in '95 was way overrated and everyone in purple was expecting that. But it was a nice win.
Oh, and our WOAT program was almost as good as KU in the late 80's. KU improved much quicker under Glen Mason than KSU did under Snyder but Mason was looking to bail out and Snyder sustained it.
These are facts.
Actually we tied CU once...
Also, that Glen Mason crap is not a fact, his first 5 years were quite comparable to Snyder, but Snyder had a better record.
beat means win.
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CU won an NC in 1990. That's gotta be "better than average" right? OU went 44-23-2 from 90-95. KU was ranked in the top-10 when we whipped them in 95. Oh, and we were the worst program in history when Snyds took over the first time. We were a bowl team last year. Not a great team but a far cry from the WOAT. You really don't know much about Big 8 football, do you?
KSU didn't beat CU until 1997. CU had a 5-6 record in 1997. That's below average. Before CU sank to that level of mediocrity they beat Snyder's team every single time.
KSU did not beat OU in 90, 91, or 92. But in the five years from 93-98 when KSU swept OU their combined record was 27-30-1. Again, below average.
KU in '95 was way overrated and everyone in purple was expecting that. But it was a nice win.
Oh, and our WOAT program was almost as good as KU in the late 80's. KU improved much quicker under Glen Mason than KSU did under Snyder but Mason was looking to bail out and Snyder sustained it.
These are facts.
Actually we tied CU once...
Also, that Glen Mason crap is not a fact, his first 5 years were quite comparable to Snyder, but Snyder had a better record.
beat means win.
See the statement in bold. Thats the statement he's responding to, he has a valid point.
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Yeah, I forgot about that tie with CU. And that was more surprising than the 95 win over KU.
But what Stubblefield and Gilbert did to KSU was embarrassing. And then they went and won the Aloha bowl. KSU was behind at that point.
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We were behind a team that we beat by 28 pts?
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More long posts about Jim Tressel being a cheating slime bag please !! :crossfingers:
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need to take note of what we see happening with LHCBS 2.0. Love listening to the nay sayers go into their same rhetoric (were they really RP supporters who still haven't come to their senses?) about the 2 and 3 star recruits.
If you go back and look at my post history you will see I am no purple glasses guy but I have to tell you that I see the sea starting to part again. Lets look at our big weaknesses from last year. Dline and QB. Clearly the bodies are either being brought in or moved to the right position to start to address the issues that kept our D from being able to stop even the Little Sisters of the Poor. Bill unlike RP understands how to get the most out of his roster. Moving Allred is a great one IMO and indicative of two things. 1)the Oline is in better shape in Bill's opinion than most think on this board and 2)(captain obvious)the Dline needs depth and quality upgrade. Simply getting the two returners plenty of rest to keep the quality of the snaps they do take up is huge but as Hatter has already noted, competition really does improve kids. Nothing like knowing the coaches have targeted your position with player moves and heavy recruiting to make most kids hit the offseason workouts harder to keep their position. I expect to see a better Kibble/Guidry next year. They showed periods of decent play but seemed to wear out by year end. Not surprising as minor injuries really start to wear on interior guys especially if they don't have good depth to keep their snap count down.
Looking at some of the new recruits at DE and DT the possibilities for seeing some quality depth emerge is exciting. Watching us collapse in the last half of the season to me really rotated around not having enough depth at Dline to let us play a straight up D all game. For example when Kirk was at DT the LBs were having to deal with OLine getting to the second level and you end up trying to overcompensate with either D play calling and/or players start 'reaching' outside their assignments. I can see some of the young DE types moving to DT if they aren't quick enough for D1 play in the open field. 20-30 Lbs addes to Seau and Hunter for example and we all of a sudden have big athletic DTs in the future. Would be great if they were D1 DEs but they have upside either way. I know a bit about Hunter and I am optimisitic that kid leaves KSU in five years as one outstanding DT. I look for him to RS and get bigger. Kid is the right type mentally for Bill's system. We may find by his senior year that we look back and say he was the gem in this class.
The QB situation is almost as good. Klein is smart and a worker. Bill has a track record with these type of kids. Think Brian Cavanaugh with much better wheels. Tuggle IMO will make huge strides this summer. What little I get from the inside ----most of my sources have dried up with minor exceptions---says that he is determined to be ready to beat out Klein by the fall. I fall in the camp on Sams that think he makes the field this year but not at QB. Bill knows he needs another bowl season to continue the growth and he will give up a RS if he thinks a kid will give us enough plays for an additional win. He is far more careful than RP however I will say RP was correct that recruiting is helped when kids know they can play ASAP. What little I hear on the recruiting pitch is that KSU is now talking that way to kids with some exceptions---mostly Olineman.
All in all if you aren't optimistic now you are simply someone who looks at the glass as half empty---each to his own but regardless the process is taking place and at least this year when you watch us take the field we are beginning to look like a team that belongs. I had a long time D1 coach tell me that if you really wanted to know where a program was at look at the 2nd and 3rd stringers. If you see some kids who could play D1 at some level (instead of D2) not getting on the field you had a roster that was ready to compete. The walk on level has clearly picked up. No more signing a Juco Defense intact ala the NEO signing LOL.
Snyder's at his best when he has 4 things, IMO... 1) a vertical passing game or at least a serious threat of it, 2) quality players/depth at the DL, 3) solid corners, 4) solid depth everywhere.
I think he's much closer this year than when he started at #'s 2 and 4. Number 3 may occur this season and it would be aided if Darious Thomas returns (there is still a possibility that may occur IMO). I think the vertical passing threat for this team is just not there.
Defensively, if it doesn't improve significantly this season then I'm completely assured Cosh needs to get out. I gave him a half-hearted pass last season due to lack of depth, experience, and some playmaking ability. He'll have enough this year to make significant strides..if that doesn't take place he needs to go some place far away or at the bottom of tuttle creek. He has some good players coming into the program and, of course, Arthur Brown has the capability of being a major playmaker. It should NOT be a piss poor defense this year.
Overall, Snyder was in a non-stop great mood this spring. It's obvious to see he really likes the direction of his program at the moment.
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need to take note of what we see happening with LHCBS 2.0. Love listening to the nay sayers go into their same rhetoric (were they really RP supporters who still haven't come to their senses?) about the 2 and 3 star recruits.
If you go back and look at my post history you will see I am no purple glasses guy but I have to tell you that I see the sea starting to part again. Lets look at our big weaknesses from last year. Dline and QB. Clearly the bodies are either being brought in or moved to the right position to start to address the issues that kept our D from being able to stop even the Little Sisters of the Poor. Bill unlike RP understands how to get the most out of his roster. Moving Allred is a great one IMO and indicative of two things. 1)the Oline is in better shape in Bill's opinion than most think on this board and 2)(captain obvious)the Dline needs depth and quality upgrade. Simply getting the two returners plenty of rest to keep the quality of the snaps they do take up is huge but as Hatter has already noted, competition really does improve kids. Nothing like knowing the coaches have targeted your position with player moves and heavy recruiting to make most kids hit the offseason workouts harder to keep their position. I expect to see a better Kibble/Guidry next year. They showed periods of decent play but seemed to wear out by year end. Not surprising as minor injuries really start to wear on interior guys especially if they don't have good depth to keep their snap count down.
Looking at some of the new recruits at DE and DT the possibilities for seeing some quality depth emerge is exciting. Watching us collapse in the last half of the season to me really rotated around not having enough depth at Dline to let us play a straight up D all game. For example when Kirk was at DT the LBs were having to deal with OLine getting to the second level and you end up trying to overcompensate with either D play calling and/or players start 'reaching' outside their assignments. I can see some of the young DE types moving to DT if they aren't quick enough for D1 play in the open field. 20-30 Lbs addes to Seau and Hunter for example and we all of a sudden have big athletic DTs in the future. Would be great if they were D1 DEs but they have upside either way. I know a bit about Hunter and I am optimisitic that kid leaves KSU in five years as one outstanding DT. I look for him to RS and get bigger. Kid is the right type mentally for Bill's system. We may find by his senior year that we look back and say he was the gem in this class.
The QB situation is almost as good. Klein is smart and a worker. Bill has a track record with these type of kids. Think Brian Cavanaugh with much better wheels. Tuggle IMO will make huge strides this summer. What little I get from the inside ----most of my sources have dried up with minor exceptions---says that he is determined to be ready to beat out Klein by the fall. I fall in the camp on Sams that think he makes the field this year but not at QB. Bill knows he needs another bowl season to continue the growth and he will give up a RS if he thinks a kid will give us enough plays for an additional win. He is far more careful than RP however I will say RP was correct that recruiting is helped when kids know they can play ASAP. What little I hear on the recruiting pitch is that KSU is now talking that way to kids with some exceptions---mostly Olineman.
All in all if you aren't optimistic now you are simply someone who looks at the glass as half empty---each to his own but regardless the process is taking place and at least this year when you watch us take the field we are beginning to look like a team that belongs. I had a long time D1 coach tell me that if you really wanted to know where a program was at look at the 2nd and 3rd stringers. If you see some kids who could play D1 at some level (instead of D2) not getting on the field you had a roster that was ready to compete. The walk on level has clearly picked up. No more signing a Juco Defense intact ala the NEO signing LOL.
Snyder's at his best when he has 4 things, IMO... 1) a vertical passing game or at least a serious threat of it, 2) quality players/depth at the DL, 3) solid corners, 4) solid depth everywhere.
I think he's much closer this year than when he started at #'s 2 and 4. Number 3 may occur this season and it would be aided if Darious Thomas returns (there is still a possibility that may occur IMO). I think the vertical passing threat for this team is just not there.
Defensively, if it doesn't improve significantly this season then I'm completely assured Cosh needs to get out. I gave him a half-hearted pass last season due to lack of depth, experience, and some playmaking ability. He'll have enough this year to make significant strides..if that doesn't take place he needs to go some place far away or at the bottom of tuttle creek. He has some good players coming into the program and, of course, Arthur Brown has the capability of being a major playmaker. It should NOT be a piss poor defense this year.
Overall, Snyder was in a non-stop great mood this spring. It's obvious to see he really likes the direction of his program at the moment.
The Chamber feels differently about our vertical passing game
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sd, one more thing.
Your comment on Sams. All you need to do is look at the highlights on youtube of Salmen's other QB. There are some plays by Sams shown on his highlight vid that are not included on Sams' vid. Not sure why. Anyway...if you watch that you are left w/ no question that he gets on the field THIS season as a wide receiver or somebody in Vanier has a hole in their head. Seriously, some of the grabs he makes using the sideline boundary and a middle screen he converts to six (nabs it one handed)...he has playmaking potential at that position YESTERDAY. Use it!
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Snyder's at his best when he has 4 things, IMO... 1) a vertical passing game or at least a serious threat of it, 2) quality players/depth at the DL, 3) solid corners, 4) solid depth everywhere.
I would think that most coaches are at their best when they have all four of these things. It's not exactly the Colonel's secret recipe of eleven herbs and spices, if you're pickin' up what I'm puttin' down.
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The Manhatter
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He's better than his best when he has the following:
5.) His son waiting in the wings ready to coach some heads off
6.) His grandson ready to earn his scholarship by bashing in some heads that have not been coached off already (non-flagrantly of course)
7.) Christopher Aberforth Effinghammer Cosh
8.) The LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium Family of Non-related Relatives cheering him on. :lynchmob:
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He's better than his best when he has the following:
5.) His son waiting in the wings ready to coach some heads off
6.) His grandson ready to earn his scholarship by bashing in some heads that have not been coached off already (non-flagrantly of course)
7.) Christopher Aberforth Effinghammer Cosh
8.) The LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium Family of Non-related Relatives cheering him on. :lynchmob:
:lynchmob:
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need to take note of what we see happening with LHCBS 2.0. Love listening to the nay sayers go into their same rhetoric (were they really RP supporters who still haven't come to their senses?) about the 2 and 3 star recruits.
If you go back and look at my post history you will see I am no purple glasses guy but I have to tell you that I see the sea starting to part again. Lets look at our big weaknesses from last year. Dline and QB. Clearly the bodies are either being brought in or moved to the right position to start to address the issues that kept our D from being able to stop even the Little Sisters of the Poor. Bill unlike RP understands how to get the most out of his roster. Moving Allred is a great one IMO and indicative of two things. 1)the Oline is in better shape in Bill's opinion than most think on this board and 2)(captain obvious)the Dline needs depth and quality upgrade. Simply getting the two returners plenty of rest to keep the quality of the snaps they do take up is huge but as Hatter has already noted, competition really does improve kids. Nothing like knowing the coaches have targeted your position with player moves and heavy recruiting to make most kids hit the offseason workouts harder to keep their position. I expect to see a better Kibble/Guidry next year. They showed periods of decent play but seemed to wear out by year end. Not surprising as minor injuries really start to wear on interior guys especially if they don't have good depth to keep their snap count down.
Looking at some of the new recruits at DE and DT the possibilities for seeing some quality depth emerge is exciting. Watching us collapse in the last half of the season to me really rotated around not having enough depth at Dline to let us play a straight up D all game. For example when Kirk was at DT the LBs were having to deal with OLine getting to the second level and you end up trying to overcompensate with either D play calling and/or players start 'reaching' outside their assignments. I can see some of the young DE types moving to DT if they aren't quick enough for D1 play in the open field. 20-30 Lbs addes to Seau and Hunter for example and we all of a sudden have big athletic DTs in the future. Would be great if they were D1 DEs but they have upside either way. I know a bit about Hunter and I am optimisitic that kid leaves KSU in five years as one outstanding DT. I look for him to RS and get bigger. Kid is the right type mentally for Bill's system. We may find by his senior year that we look back and say he was the gem in this class.
The QB situation is almost as good. Klein is smart and a worker. Bill has a track record with these type of kids. Think Brian Cavanaugh with much better wheels. Tuggle IMO will make huge strides this summer. What little I get from the inside ----most of my sources have dried up with minor exceptions---says that he is determined to be ready to beat out Klein by the fall. I fall in the camp on Sams that think he makes the field this year but not at QB. Bill knows he needs another bowl season to continue the growth and he will give up a RS if he thinks a kid will give us enough plays for an additional win. He is far more careful than RP however I will say RP was correct that recruiting is helped when kids know they can play ASAP. What little I hear on the recruiting pitch is that KSU is now talking that way to kids with some exceptions---mostly Olineman.
All in all if you aren't optimistic now you are simply someone who looks at the glass as half empty---each to his own but regardless the process is taking place and at least this year when you watch us take the field we are beginning to look like a team that belongs. I had a long time D1 coach tell me that if you really wanted to know where a program was at look at the 2nd and 3rd stringers. If you see some kids who could play D1 at some level (instead of D2) not getting on the field you had a roster that was ready to compete. The walk on level has clearly picked up. No more signing a Juco Defense intact ala the NEO signing LOL.
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Steve Dave seems pretty smart. I'm going to start listening to some of the things he has to say.
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Steve Dave seems pretty smart. I'm going to start listening to some of the things he has to say.
Read his post on Tressel :thumbsup: